1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: name is Noel. They call me Ben. We're joined with 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul decant Uh, the man behind the 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: curtain here and most importantly, you are you that makes 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. Today, we're 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: very excited, friends, neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists, because we are 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: finally delving into a story that you heard about fairly recently. 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: And you may have seen it as an interesting headline 12 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: on your Facebook feed, if that's where you get your news. 13 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: You may have seen a couple of people commenting on 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: in Reddit. You may have wondered why such an earth 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: shaking story hit the headlines and then appeared to vanish. 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: And now when I first saw it, I was like, wait, 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: so this is this is like an admission that that 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: this stuff is real. Well, yeah, these programs are real, 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: especially because you were probably reading it in the New 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: York Times, which you generally don't read about UFOs. There, 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, I was like, this is the one, 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: this is the big one. And then it was kind 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: of just like where where that? What happened to that story? Right? 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: Paper of note, New York Times UH, and a journalist 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: working for the New York Times by the name of 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Ralph Blumenthal went public with a front page Sunday article 27 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: in the New York Times fairly recently, where it was 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: entitled Gluing Auras and Black Money, The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO column. 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: Bloomenthal riding with Leslie Keene and Helene Cooper UH, it 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: introduced the vast majority of the public, including Matt Noel, 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: Paul and myself, to something called the Advanced aerosp Ace 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Threat Identification Program. And this blew our collective mind. We 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: weren't sure what was up, We weren't sure what was left, 34 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: what was right, where to go? And because we wanted 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: to bring the most fascinating and most accurate information to 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: bear on this subject, we UH we connected with one 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: of our experts in the field in this regard, right, 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: and we are lucky enough to have him with us 39 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: on the air today. Ladies and gentlemen. You may remember 40 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: him from our previous episode on allegations of alien implants 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: or mysterious implants, the mastermind behind the film Patient seventeen 42 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: number on Netflix and trending right now. By the way, 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: check it out if you haven't already, We'd like to 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: introduce you to Jeremy Corbell. Jeremy, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: having me on again. So all right, you just I 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: guess we just start at the beginning. Let's let's go 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: to the day this article comes out. How much did 48 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: you know about this at that point? Well, I've actually 49 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: been working on the tic Tac case for two years 50 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: and was not allowed to say anything about it, so 51 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: I got to see it kind of from the inside 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: before it was published. You know, I had pre warning 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: about the published, you know, being published in the New 54 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: York Times and Politico and then getting picked up by 55 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: the global media. You know, it was a big story, 56 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: is a big story. So luckily I got to see 57 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: it a little bit from the inside. So can you 58 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what the tic Tac 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: incident is? Sure? Yeah, I mean we should go. You know, 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: here are the facts, man. The devil's in the details, 61 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: and this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: being held back from the American and global public, and 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: it you know, does have a focus on the tic 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Tac incident because and that is the case that I 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: was working on for a couple of years. I had 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: no way to shield anybody I was speaking with, you know, 67 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: from their secrecy agreements. So as really great how this 68 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: came out. The tic Tac incident off the coast of 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: California was one of many incidents where there is an 70 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: anomalous aerial vehicle or anomous aerial threat, depending on how 71 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: they want to twist the language, where an object of 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: unknown origin, no tail numbers, no even wings, was defying 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: all ideas that we have about propulsion, gravity and flight. 74 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: And this thing was observed within a hundred feet by 75 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: the primary pilot, Commander David Fraber, and it was on 76 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: every radar that we have and considered a threat of 77 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: unknown origin, and it just displayed the most astounding flight characteristics. 78 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: And so that is kind of the core of that story, 79 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: that there is an unknown technology, unknown craft from unknown 80 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: origins that outfly anything that we have. And that was 81 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: a two thousand four case, so pretty current, right, and 82 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: that's uh, I really want to emphasize this for the 83 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: rest of the audience here, Jeremy, you mentioned it was 84 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: a fighter pilot who is the primary observer. Here, there 85 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: were other observers, and these were experts. These were not 86 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: people who are walking in, you know, a tourist area, 87 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: waiting in line to get some street food. These were 88 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: These were people operating out of the USS mimits. Is 89 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: that correct? Yeah? In fact, these are are most highly 90 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: trained combat pilots. There were four visual observers on that 91 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: particular day, Yet these events were ongoing for over a 92 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: week off the coast of California, being observed by our 93 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: National defense and military, and these pilots, having no knowledge 94 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: of what they were going to were asked, what ordinance 95 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: do you have on board? We have a real life 96 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: target for you. And they were sent out to observe 97 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: and to engage this anomalous aerial vehicle. And there are 98 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: some things about that that the public needs to know. 99 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: Not only are these trained observers, but this object that 100 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: they engaged did things like actively jam compared to passively 101 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: jam their radar and weapons systems, which is fascinating because 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: they had the most high tech available to the United 103 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: States military or the world at this time, and the 104 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: craft itself did not look like anything we would understand 105 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: as an aircraft. Right. There were no uh, no rotors, 106 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: no wings, no, not even any portholes. Is that correct? 107 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: In my conversations with Commander David Fraber, it was the 108 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: most astounding thing he had ever seen in combat or 109 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: even in theory, because this object, through the different visual 110 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: optics that he had, had no protrusions like wings or 111 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: anything like that. It had no exhaust plumes they can 112 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: use flear, which is heat sensing. There is no possible 113 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: way that he knew of that this thing could operate 114 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and in ways that it did when he was observing it, 115 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: it was like a ping pong bouncing right left, up down. 116 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: It was absolutely foolish. The way that it was moving, 117 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: it was strange, beyond all beliefs. And at one point 118 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: it noticed him and it started to target him and 119 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: move around his vehicle and shut down his system. I mean, 120 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: he's quoted as saying in the Boston Herald, you know 121 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: it is not something we developed, uh, And then he 122 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: believes it's something not from here, not from Earth. So, Jeremy, 123 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: you have not only spoken with the fighter pilot who 124 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: was the primary witness for this, but you also followed 125 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: this story or this phenomenon beyond this specific instance to 126 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: a global context. And earlier off air you said that 127 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: you had some you had some contextualizing points about the 128 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: the the global impact or or the backdrop of this phenomenon, 129 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: and we were wondering if you could walk walk us 130 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: in the audience through the primary Um, let's see the 131 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: lay of the land here or the should we say, 132 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: the cast of the sky. Yeah, sure so, yeah. I 133 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: have developed a network of people involved, which you know, 134 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: the two thousand four Nimits event, from radar operators to 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: personnel to the pilots. So I've been able to see this, 136 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, from a larger perspective. But the big news, 137 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: let's let's step back to the big news. You know, 138 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: here are the facts. You know, first of all, we 139 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: should know that my mentor, George Knapp, really broke all 140 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: of this information first before anybody, and you know, he's 141 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: got his ear to the rail in a way. We 142 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: are standing in a place now within the United States 143 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: where and the world where we are being told a 144 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: number of things. So for example, you know, here are 145 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: the facts. It was an announcement twenty two million dollars 146 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: was spent by our government to study the UFO phenomenon 147 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: that was reported in the New York Times, and the 148 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program a t i P was 149 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: named secret UFO study something in our airspace, out running 150 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: our machine bullet point. A man named Lewis Alexando, who's 151 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: the former director of Programs to investigate Unidentified aerial threats 152 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: for our government, he came forward in that article as well, 153 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: So they identified that there's a threat. Alexandre said in 154 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: the political article. We we we had never seen anything 155 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: like it. There was frustration within our government. Uh. Alesando 156 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: kind of made that clear by saying, look, if the 157 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Russian bear bomber comes into near California, it's all over 158 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the news. These are coming in the skies over our facilities, 159 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: and you hear nothing but crickets. I mean, he says 160 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: our facilities. That was a direct quote. We're also talking 161 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: about nuclear facilities. So in the public eye, nothing has 162 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: been studied about UFOs since the closing of Project Bluebook 163 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine. That's what we were told. Now 164 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: we know that that is completely false. It was also 165 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: said that the a a t i P program ended 166 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelves, right, So this is right 167 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: out of the Pentagon. They're saying that program to study 168 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: FOS ended in two thousand twelve. In fact, that is false, 169 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that when it gets crazy. Uh, 170 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: there was a fear. This is something else that everybody 171 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: should know. There was a fear that you know, these 172 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: incidents and these aircraft and these craft that were witnessing 173 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: were not made by humans. This is all the way 174 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: up in the chain of command within our Pentagon. And Uh. 175 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: The other kind of headline news that we learned through 176 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: the New York Times article is that former Senator Harry 177 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Read of Nevada, he initiated this twenty two million dollar 178 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: program to study UFOs and the larger phenomena that we 179 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: observe that have to you know, that are beyond UFOs. 180 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: There is a very strange link to a very strange 181 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: property that this program had a directorate to a place 182 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: called skin Walker rect So that's what we know from 183 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: these global announcements that in fact UFOs as a threat 184 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: is a hot topic and remains a hot topic since 185 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, when allegedly we stopped studying this stuff, 186 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: which we now know is not true. So that's kind 187 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: of the big point, the big pictures, and they're using 188 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: specific cases to help us understand that. Just to go 189 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: back quickly to Lewis Elizondo, the person who was essentially 190 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: the manager of the program at least for a time, 191 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: one thing we found to be extremely important here with 192 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: regards to the Pentagon itself studying these things. He said 193 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: that even his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon was unaware 194 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: of the program, which, you know, we we've we've talked 195 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: about segmentation that occurs within the government, within government groups 196 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: like that before, within structures where you know, what what 197 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: is it You just a lot of people won't know 198 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: exactly what's going on, what your what the next person 199 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: is working on. Often there's a compartmentalization of information. So 200 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: perhaps the Pentagon overall didn't even really know what was 201 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: going on. I guess yeah, it's it's quite surprising. There 202 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: is a stove piping they call it, within intelligence circles 203 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: of information, so you know, one hand can't access what 204 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: the other hand is working on. And there's a reason 205 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: for that specifically in these programs. It's because the implications 206 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: of this technology. It is a fierce technology. It is 207 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: something when weaponized, if we could control the forces of 208 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: nature like these craft appear to be able to control, 209 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: that gives any nation a leg up technologically, a weaponization 210 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: that other countries, other nations wouldn't have. So that is 211 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: the exact reason why within the intelligence community, Department of 212 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: Defense and National Security, you have this stove piping and compartmentalization. 213 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: It's important. We used it for the atomic weapons system, 214 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: the autock bomb, and we use it now in anything 215 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: regarding UFOs. And that's that's a very important point regarding 216 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: atomic weaponry. And I'm glad you brought up this subject because, 217 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: from what we understand, for Senator Harry Reid, uh, the 218 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: the question of missile defense and nuclear weaponry was one 219 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: of the at least according to his public statements, one 220 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: of the primary motivators for his interest in the project. 221 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: He said that he had read classified reports about encounters 222 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: with unidentified flying objects over US nuclear basis, and that 223 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: during those encounters, just just like how the systems on 224 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: the fighter planes were scrambled or disabled, the atomic weapons 225 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: themselves were somehow disabled in these encounters. Uh, do do 226 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: you believe that that? What that stated motivation of his 227 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: was the primary goal or do you believe the something 228 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: more to the story. Well, I believe that the concept 229 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: of national defense is the primary goal. If we don't 230 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: know how something is working in if acant threat in 231 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: our nation, than it is a priority. So yeah, I 232 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: do believe in general that the idea was a how 233 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: do we protect ourselves from these vehicles and these technologies 234 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: that are far beyond ours that can shut down our 235 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: nukes at any moment. But let's get specific about that. 236 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: I just had launched the other week with Robert Salas. 237 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: Robert Salas was in command of ten minutemen intercontinental ballistic 238 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: missiles when at his base, mails from Air Force Base 239 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: a UFO came in observed. This is all now public 240 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: information through FOYA. We got this information and UFO, a 241 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: glowing red UFO came in over the base and it's 242 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: shut down ten independent systems. And we know specifically what 243 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: this UFO target, which is the Global Positioning System. Disabled 244 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: them immediately, just disabled them. And this is not an 245 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: isolated This happened within seven days on another base here 246 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: in America, and also we now know in Russia at 247 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: the same time, So you have a technology flying with 248 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: impunity coming over the most just secure nuclear missile basis 249 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: our top weaponry in America and in Russia and just 250 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: effortlessly shutting down our technologies by targeting the positioning systems. Now, 251 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: this is a problem. This is a problem, whether it 252 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: is benevolent and they're saying don't play with fire, or 253 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: if this is some sort of display of power, which 254 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: it certainly was. So, yes, I do believe the motivation 255 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: is national security. Well read was quoted in saying, um, 256 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad that this happened because now we have scientific proof, 257 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: or I'm glad as revelation was revealed to the public. 258 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: And those are strong words from a politician who's I 259 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: don't know, one of their primary jobs seems to be 260 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: obstistication or like trying to kind of deceive the public 261 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: in some way or like you know, and this is 262 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: pretty bold sentiment coming from a career politician. Can you 263 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: speak to that or where how do you feel about 264 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: that quote? Yeah, well, look his perspective because he did 265 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: this with black budget money. I mean, this is not 266 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: even pushed through Congress, this is not asked for. This 267 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: is money that is created and funneled in to these 268 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: special access programs where you know, again, most congress person 269 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: will have no idea about these programs or what's going on. 270 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: They are not in the need to know, even if 271 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: they have the classification. So uh, I this is These 272 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: are strong words, but it's it's really just the beginning 273 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: of it. There's a lot that Harry Reid is not explaining. 274 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: The reason Harry Reid got interested in this subject at 275 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: all is because of the Bob Was Our story and 276 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: being in Avata politician would talk with George Knapp, and 277 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: so he learned that Bob was Our story is true, 278 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: and he learned that this is something the et technology 279 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: or foreign technologies that we don't really have a handle on. 280 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: And then it was a pawn and this is something 281 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: that people don't know. Again, it's upon understanding the skin 282 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch story that really motivated Harry Reid because he 283 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: read George Knapp's book. It motivated him to take this 284 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: issue more seriously and try to initiate funding for it 285 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: because he thought, scientifically, if we can get a handle 286 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: on this, even a glimpse, that this is the biggest 287 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: thing that has ever happened to national events and humanity. 288 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: So yes, I I think it's a powerful statement. It's 289 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: also powerful that the New York Times pats article and 290 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: that they admitted to the advanced A the Aerial Threat 291 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: Identification Program. I mean that is the modern day Project Bluebook, 292 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: and it has not ended in two thousand twelve, Like stated, 293 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the only thing that ended was the partnership with Robert 294 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: Bigelow a big Low Aerospace to study skin Walker Ranch. 295 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: And on that note, we do have to emphasize, yes, 296 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Harry Reid was not acting alone. He did have support 297 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: from at least two other senators who went public, Ted 298 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: Stevens and Daniel Enoe from Alaska and Hawaii, and of 299 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: course the founder of Bigelow Aerospace, Robert T. Bigelow. No 300 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: long time listeners, you will recall previous episodes examining Project 301 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: blue Book, and you may also recall um previous mentions 302 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: of skin Walker Ranch. And if you like our show, 303 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: then you are definitely going to want to hear the 304 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: rest of our conversation with Jeremy Corbell after a word 305 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Okay, we're back now. Generally, when I 306 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: think about the study of UFOs, I think about governmental 307 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: organizations and things like Project blue Book. I do not 308 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: usually think about a private for profit organization having a 309 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: hand in, you know, either taking a government contract to 310 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: study UFOs or aerial phenomena or being paid in any 311 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: way by a government entity. But in this case, we 312 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: do have a private aerospace organization, Bigelow Aerospace, And can 313 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: you like, what do you know, Jeremy about their involvement 314 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: with this whole thing. Yes, it's absolutely fascinating. This is 315 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: a classic chess move by our United States government. It's 316 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: like when they put facilities on Native American or sovereign 317 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: nation land where they can they don't have to uh 318 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: act as if they're you know, under jurisdiction of the 319 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: federal government. They can do things outside of the parameters 320 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: that are usually on them. So using private industry is 321 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: the oldest trick in the book. And that's what we 322 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: saw with the partnership between Big Low Aerospace and actually 323 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: the d i A at the Defense Intelligence Agency, the 324 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: intelligence agency within the branch of the Pentagon. So this 325 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: is exactly what happened. There was a contract put out 326 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: for this twenty two million to study what was going 327 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: on specifically at at skin Walker Ranch, but the anomalous 328 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: aerial vehicles and Bigelow already had an interest in this 329 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: and had a property of high activity. The United States 330 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: government wanted to understand this technology and if it was 331 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: indeed other worldly and if that is a national security problem. 332 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: So that shielding that they got through using private industry, 333 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: because you cannot send a Freedom of Information Act to 334 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: private industry, but you couldn't the d i A. So yeah, 335 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: So partnering with Bigelow was really the way that they 336 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: were able to shield themselves from public scrutiny to try 337 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: to get a handle on what's going on. Dude, before 338 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: we get crazy, I just have a quick question. I 339 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: know Harry Reid's retiring soon, um, and there is talking. 340 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: You know, he was a big he was really against 341 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: the whole yucka Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada. And 342 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: now I saw an article saying that because he's retiring, 343 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: that could go forward without him there to kind of 344 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: guard against it. I'm wondering if, since he was in 345 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: such a toward of this program, you think him retiring 346 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: will you know, deflate it in anyway. No, actually, I 347 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: don't think that Harry read retiring will deflate the program, 348 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: because we're talking about a twenty two million program, which 349 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: is like, you know, our military spends more on viagraph 350 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: for its soldiers than it was twenty two million per 351 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: year and this is over you know, uh, seven years maybe. 352 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: So it's really funny. This topic is studied through every 353 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: branch of our military and every intelligence organization. The studies 354 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: are ongoing, so there's no deflating this. It's just we're 355 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: hearing about a piece of it. Don't worry our governments 356 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: on this. And one of the things that will hear 357 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: when people bring up that that number that's twenty two million, 358 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: is you will hear people say, well, that's twenty two 359 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: million out of a six hundred billion annual budget, right, 360 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: or I love that statistic about viagraph. Just introduced this 361 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: to which is my first time hearing it. This this 362 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: argument to UH supporters, seems misleading because it could it's 363 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: sort of circumvents the concept of black bag budgets, or 364 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: it circumvents the concept of untraceable money, which we know 365 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: is a a real phenomenon, uh, not just in the 366 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: Department of Defense, but in other world militaries and intelligence agencies. 367 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: And we have to ask with with Noll's earlier question 368 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: about deflation we have to ask what else we don't 369 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: know it does program like this continue? What does it 370 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: lead to? What are the other pathways in this rabbit hole? 371 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: And most immediately, Jeremy, is this where it gets crazy? Yeah, 372 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: I would say this is certainly where it gets crazy. 373 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a few points right now that 374 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: I think the public is not picking up on, and 375 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: it's very important to pick up on them, and they 376 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: will blow your mind. So yes, here's where it gets crazy. So, 377 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: first of all, the program did not end. What they're 378 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: telling you is that that twenty two million dollar program, 379 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: that little program that the contract is now over since 380 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. But the study of UFOs is still 381 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: one of the primary studies that everybody's looking at in 382 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: the United States military. So don't start to believe that 383 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: it ended. It did not end. Now. Also, uh, this event, 384 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: we talked about the tic tac event series, the week 385 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: long series. That was not an anomaly, it's a trend. 386 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: The tik Tak event was not an isolated event. The 387 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: other video that was put out by the Pentagon was 388 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: what's called the Gimbal video. Something people don't know, or 389 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: very few people know, is that the gimbal video was 390 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: from a completely separate set of events off of the 391 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: east coast of California in two thousand fifteen. So these 392 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: frequencies of the are increasing. Of these tic TACs and 393 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: these the similar things, and and the tic TAC event 394 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: also there were multiple tic TACs, and there was a 395 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: U s O and identified submerged object that was turning 396 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: the water underneath. Uh, you know the planes they're flying 397 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: and looking at the tic TACs. It was said the 398 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: tic TAC seemed to be talking in quotes, talking with 399 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: the U. S Oh. So it's not isolated, um, the 400 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: government involvement, it's something else that where it gets crazy. 401 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: The d i A. The d i A, the Defense 402 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, was the one in charge of this program 403 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: through the twenty two million dollars. So we're talking about 404 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: a major intelligence agency within the United States. In the 405 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: article something else. Another point people didn't really pick up on. 406 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: There were alloys. There were there were skiffs that were built, 407 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: you know, to to protect information and actual objects at 408 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: big low airspace in Las Vegas, Nodada. These were being 409 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: held there. Uh foreign to say it nicely, foreign technologies 410 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: or alloys. So you know, UFO alloys. And I think 411 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: what we're gonna learn a lot about in the next 412 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: year or so is the atomic layering of these alloys. 413 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: How do we know that they weren't created on Earth 414 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: by another nation? So keep your eyes out for that, 415 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: and don't forget that was said in the article they 416 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: were warehousing alloys. They also mentioned really briefly, and this 417 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: was a leak about medical studies for for u a 418 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: P or unidentified flying objects or UFOs whatever we want 419 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: to call them, encounters by our government and military personnel. 420 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: So there are medical studies on individuals who had prolonged 421 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: u a P Unidentified aero phenomena encounters. That's something that 422 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: hopefully we will learn more about. Let's talk about demons, 423 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: since we're going to where it gets crazy. The program 424 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: was stopped because people were scared lists of being in 425 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, being this all being on the on page 426 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: of any news report, because some people believe this was 427 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: not the works of aliens or et s, but it 428 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: was in fact demonic. This is true. Within our intelligence agencies, 429 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: people believed this and they didn't want it splashed on 430 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: the New York Times because they believed it was demonic. 431 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: That is true that is crazy. So, I mean, I 432 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but that is wild. Um. 433 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: The other thing is the skin Walker Ranch connection has 434 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: not been flashed out, and I'm making a movie on that. 435 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm making a movie to show those connections between these 436 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: recent UFO events, the twenty two million and the skin 437 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch connection, and so that kind of leads us 438 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: to that. But all of that to me is wild. Yeah, agreed. 439 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: And one thing, that's one thing that's interesting when you 440 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: mentioned that people within the government, some of the people 441 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: in Uncle Sam's employ felt that there were religious or 442 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: spiritual implications about that. We know that can sound insane, folks, 443 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: but we have to remember that regardless of what someone's 444 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: occupation is, what the role is, there are still a 445 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: human being and they moved by these human motivations. So 446 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: if someone takes if someone interprets a threat seriously enough right, 447 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: then they will feel that it is a moral imperative 448 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: to report it. So this, uh, while just hearing what 449 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: you heard just now might sound like creepy pasta on 450 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: the internet, the fact is that these were real people. 451 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: These were genuine government employees who were voicing these concerns. Yeah, 452 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: and they're seeing it through their own lens, right, which 453 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: is there's nothing wrong with because you know, I don't 454 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know the 455 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: ultimate truth, they're lying. But but that that perspective is 456 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: worthy of an individual who has religious say to say, 457 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: this is my concern. What we're witnessing is the act 458 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: of the devil. You know, these are not a ins 459 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: this is demonic and that in fact halted progress on 460 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: these studies it did, which is pretty intense. Wow, Let's 461 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more in depth about skin Walker 462 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: Ranch while we're here, because one thing that you can 463 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: say for sure about skin Walker Ranch, whether you are 464 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: tuning in as a as a guide in the wool 465 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: believer about a very specific aspect of it, or whether 466 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: you consider yourself a James Randy esque skeptic, you can 467 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: easily admit that skin Walker Ranch is the subject of 468 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: intense controversy. Since we we talked about on James Randy, 469 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: one of the messionic figures of the Internet skeptic movement, 470 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: had said that he had deemed Robert Bigelow's purchase of 471 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: skin Walker Ranch as um a useless study or useless investigation, 472 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: whereas other people have sworn that they have seen incredibly 473 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: anomalous activity such as cattle mutilation, right, strange strange objects 474 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: in the sky. And what what we were hoping to 475 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: ask you, you as as your our go to expert 476 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: on this, could could you give our listeners a an 477 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: overview of skin Walker Ranch as Okay, I'll just go 478 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: to the chase. What the heck is going on there? Man? 479 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: It's a great question, and it's easy to throw stones 480 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: someone like James Randy at Robert Bigelow saying it's useless 481 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know what, our Defense Intelligence Agency 482 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: did not think it was useless. In fact, uh, skin 483 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch was the subject of the most intense scientific 484 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: study of UFOs and the paranormal by our United States 485 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: government in history. So it wasn't just one eccentric billionaire 486 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: putting is money behind this. Now we know that. Now 487 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: we know there was a partnership made with the d 488 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: i A. So people can throw stones and say that 489 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous, and I agree it sounds ridiculous. But you 490 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't do a prolonged study at a place if there 491 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: wasn't scientific information and data that you were getting let 492 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: it be classified or not. So let's talk about skin 493 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch, the bullet points or this real estate mogul, 494 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: self made billionaire Robert Bigelow, a big low aerospace. He 495 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: purchased the four and eighty acre ranch in northeastern Utah 496 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: to use as a living laboratory to study the UFO phenomenon. 497 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: And historically, just to put it out there, this location 498 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: or this whole u Into basin has been inundated with 499 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: bizarre phenomenon going on back generations. So Bigelow just wanted 500 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: answers to some you know, some big questions, and he 501 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: was determined to find them, regardless of the cost. What 502 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: happened at the ranch historically, you know, what's claimed to 503 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: lurk in the shadow goes far beyond UFOs, But bizarre 504 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: events range from you know, perplexing the wholly terrifying, vanishing 505 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: and mutilated cattle, unidentified flying objects, huge other worldly creatures 506 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: appearing flying orbs, uh, everything under the sun. Like a 507 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: grab bag of bizarre is what was reported by scientists 508 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: and locals in this area for generations. And one family 509 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: at this ranch, you know, their life was under siege 510 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: by these unknown enemies or entities and nothing could explain it. 511 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: And they thought maybe science could and in enters Robert Bigelow, 512 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: and he employed a crack team of PhD level scientists 513 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: to conduct long term investigation into the reports of the phenomena. 514 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: And the team was tasked to use the ranch as 515 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: this living laboratory, you know that Biglow's own words in 516 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: the un To Basin. And they quietly and with rigor, 517 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that 518 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: study would test their beliefs and even their sense of reason. 519 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: And that's what skin Walker Ranches, a living laboratory and 520 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: in the most scientifically studied paramount hot button in history. 521 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: And our government was involved. And we're going to get 522 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: deeper into this story after a quick word from our sponsor. So, Jeremy, 523 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: give us a little insight on how you've come to 524 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: acquire what I've seen from a trailer, boxes and boxes 525 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: of video tapes and documents all about the skin Walker Ranch. 526 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: Sure well, right time, right place, my mentor George Knapp. 527 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: You know he's a two time p Body Awarding award 528 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: winning uh you know, seven M journalist. The guy breaks 529 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: stories right and last day and night for thirty years. Right. 530 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: So one thing that that he did was. He earned 531 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: the trust of those involved by keeping his mouth shut 532 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: and being able to be on location, you know, dozens 533 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: and dozens of time, and working with the scientific teams 534 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: to just have a journalistic standpoint on it that one 535 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: day maybe he could make a documentary or reveal this info. 536 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: And he's let out little bits and pieces. But now 537 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: that the ranch has changed hands, all of that has 538 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: been altered. We can now tell this story. So poking 539 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: and prodding and trying to get the information and what 540 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: he's collected and sorting it and collating it. That's what 541 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: I've been doing for the last couple of years. And wow, 542 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: what I've been covered through this is truly shocking and interesting. 543 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: So that led me to want to make a movie 544 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: on it. Okay, so George Knapp had these documents, and 545 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: it appears that he was under some kind of non 546 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: disclosure agreement, and that's that I'm trying to understand here. 547 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to talk about it for a while. Yeah, 548 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: journalistic ethics is more about it. If you're let in 549 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: to observe and look at something and you're said, you're told, 550 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, as a journalist, you know it is not 551 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: the time to talk about this, but I want it 552 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: kind of recorded for history. We're not talking about just documents. 553 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: We're also talking about footage, actual footage that goes back 554 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: twenty years. So this is something that he kept his 555 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: word as a journalist. At the moment he breaks that 556 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: people no longer trust him, you know, if they if 557 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: there are a source for him. So he kept his 558 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: word and he did not leak any information, although he 559 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: did report on it from time to time in the 560 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: capacity he could even wrote a book on you know, 561 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: Hunt for the Skinwalker. Great book. It will get you 562 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: up to date on what happened there. So he was 563 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: able to put some stuff out, but the meat of it, yeah, 564 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: he had to is a human burden as a journalist. 565 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 1: He had to sit on it and those that time 566 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: has now gone and that that was a burden that 567 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: you were also shouldering for your time researching this, Uh, 568 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: this upcoming work. One thing that's interesting, I know a 569 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of us in the audience are 570 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: going to ask and it's completely fine if this and 571 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: completely understandable if there's a question that shouldn't be answered 572 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: on air. You mentioned that Robert Bigelow no longer owns 573 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: skin Walker Ranch that it was acquired by another party. 574 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: Do we know who that party is and do they 575 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: wish to remain anonymous or they affiliated with the government 576 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: in any way, et cetera. The public does not know 577 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: who the new owner of skin Walker Ranches. Uh. The 578 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: new owner of skin Walker Ranch is not affiliated with 579 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: the government to the best of my knowledge, and the 580 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 1: new owner desires to remain out of the public eye. 581 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: So I respect that and again journalistic integrity, and there's 582 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, no reason to go beyond that. But yeah, 583 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: that that you know, there is new ownership, and that 584 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: is interesting. Okay, Uh, this I'm really glad that we 585 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: got that out into the air. I also wanted to, well, 586 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: Matt Nolan, I wanted to follow up on something that 587 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: we had been thinking about four years and I know 588 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: you're on the same page with us here, And that's 589 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: the larger concept of disclosure capital D disclosure. And this 590 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: is uh to catch everyone up. This is the idea 591 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: that there would be some globally recognized acknowledgement of either 592 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: evidence of extraterrestrials visiting in the past, evidence of extra 593 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: terrestrial life even if it hasn't contacted Earth, or something 594 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: like that. Do you see this announcement by the pentagon Um, 595 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: regardless of how much store remains classified, do you see 596 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: this as a step toward that? Do you believe that 597 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: disclosure is an impending phenomenon? No, disclosure will not happen. 598 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: People would go to jail. It would also be very 599 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: damaging to the world in general. However, Uh, confirmation is 600 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: something that appears that we are inching towards to some 601 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: people even believe we've we've had confirmation if you really 602 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: read and understand and talk with the people involved here 603 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: from the news reports to you know, the television interviews. 604 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: But I think it's a very important understand disclosure with 605 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: the capital D. That is a fantasy. People would go 606 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: to jail if the United States government says we are 607 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: we are in fact being visited by extraterrestrials and we 608 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: have been for a long time and here's all the 609 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: information we've been reverse engineering their technology or attempting to that. 610 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: Is that people would would go down for that. So 611 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. But what might happen and 612 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: appears we are inching towards, is confirmation the idea that hey, 613 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: there's there, there are unknowns, and these unknowns they have 614 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: to be piloted if it's what it appears, although all 615 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: the evidence shows these are not being some other star 616 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: systems visiting us, but in fact it's much more complex 617 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: than that. That's actually what the evidence shows. But yeah, 618 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: I believe we're inching towards confirmation of what we do 619 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: know to a degree. But no, no disclosure with a 620 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: capital D. That's that's just never going to happen in 621 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: my opinion. Well, that's disheartening, Jeremy, because I've been waiting 622 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: on that for a long time. Very good. No, no, no, 623 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm jokingly. I guess the reason I'm told we're totally joking. 624 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, they released They do tend 625 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: to release stuff years and years and years later when 626 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: it seems like it maybe is irrelevant for actual living humans, 627 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff. Um, but 628 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: I feel like you're I I agree with you. It 629 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the government does things like that and 630 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: for any other reason than to play kate people and 631 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: not actually to inform right or to get what they want. Remember, 632 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: the elephant in the room here is that how these 633 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: craft operate on the on the last show with you, 634 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: I said, the only one thing we know about UFOs 635 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: is that it's a huge amount of energy in a 636 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: very small amount of space. Scientifically we know that. So 637 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: now we're looking again at a fierce technology. It's like 638 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: the moment that you learn how to make a nuclear 639 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: reactor for power, you you you cannot unlearn how to 640 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: make a nuclear bomb. So the weaponization potential of these 641 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: technologies are so powerful that for all the good things 642 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: that could do for us, it could be a very destructive. 643 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: It would be a very destructive technology. And so that 644 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: is the elephant in the room. Wow, Okay, I'm going 645 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: back to the twenty two million dollars because I think 646 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: this is an important point and it kind of touches 647 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: on disclosure as well. The f A eighteen super Hornet 648 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: that Commander David Faber was flying when he saw the 649 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: tic tac UFO incident, the price tag on that vehicle, 650 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: if you were going to buy it in that of course, 651 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: was two thousand four it would be seventy million dollars. 652 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: And if you're imagining that that single jet that that 653 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 1: single pilot was flying that observed a UFO is several 654 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: times more than the entire operating budget for a program 655 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: for me that spells smoke screen or perhaps almost a 656 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: front or disinformation of some sort in some way. That's 657 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: just what That's what it feels like to me in 658 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: my gut. And I just wonder if you've encountered anything 659 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: like that that would make you think there's something fishy 660 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: going on. Well, I mean, the only thing fishy going 661 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: on is that we're not being told where our tax 662 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: dollars are being spent on. It's not being acknowledged that 663 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: this is a high priority. Again, that twenty two million 664 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: is just a drop in the budget, that's what a 665 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: drop in the bucket, And that that's what's so funny 666 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: about this. There are programs in every branch of our military, 667 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: in every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with 668 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: definitive fact. So this little tiny drop is part of 669 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 1: an ocean of financing that goes towards trying to understand 670 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: these fierce technologies. Got you, So, I guess I just 671 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: have I have worries about it being some kind of 672 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: disinformation or counterintelligence program to cover up just advanced testing, um, 673 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: because you know it's that whole I want to believe 674 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: thing I am nervous that maybe somebody is pulling my leg, 675 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: even all the way up to the Harry Reads, just 676 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: so that something else can be covered up. Well, that 677 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: would be fantastic. I mean, that would be a wild 678 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: truth if if uh were indeed the case. And we 679 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: always do need to look at that, because our government 680 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: historically has been really good at saying, look at the 681 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: left hand when I'm doing something with the right hand. 682 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 1: But indeed, these are this is not a smoke screen 683 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge. I mean, these are 684 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: things being observed by trained fighter pilots, by witnesses all 685 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real. 686 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,280 Speaker 1: We might not understand it deeply from a government level, 687 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: but they do want to know as much as they can. 688 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: I it is outside the scope of my imagination. Essentially 689 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: telling the public that these things are happening is somehow 690 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: going to benefit the budget or benefit the the you know, 691 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: the needs of the government. I think the people that 692 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: have come forward are just like you and me. They 693 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: believe this is worthy of proper investigation and that the 694 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: American public should know. Well said, well said Jeremy. This 695 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: this brings us to another question that we we always 696 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: want to include when we're talking about currently unfolding events, 697 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: and this can go where wherever you see fit. What 698 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: do you see as the near or mid future? Um, 699 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: I guess consequences might be too strong a word, but 700 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: the results are the ripples of this announcement. Well, I 701 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: think it's going to be followed up, and I think 702 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: that if we can get to the point where the 703 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: public really understands. I mean, gosh, the public was so 704 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: interested when that New York Times article came out. I 705 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: mean it just blacked it off. This is a topic everybody. 706 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: If you have a curious bone in your body, you 707 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: have to be interested in this. It's just a matter 708 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: of the devils and the details, really trying to read 709 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: and see what's going on. I think that once alloys 710 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: are presented to the public that are clearly not made 711 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: by human hand because of the perfect atomic layering of 712 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: elements that should not be able to be fused together, 713 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: and then the properties of these alloys, how they interact 714 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: with our known physics in slightly different ways. If that 715 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: is shown, if that is shown in a big way 716 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 1: through major media, you will have to ask yourself who 717 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: made these alloys? So I think slowly and over time. 718 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 1: Remember we're being promised more videos by the Tom DeLong 719 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: conglomerate of really incredible intelligence and aviation people and CIA people, 720 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, that there are more videos. The 721 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: third one is promised. I happen to know that there 722 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: are a lot more videos that were unclassified. So the 723 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: question is what is the public going to be exposed 724 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: to slowly and what will the questions be? What will 725 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: the public ask and asking the right question that I've 726 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: learned through this type of work is the most importance 727 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: in the near future. I think it's just getting the 728 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: public to ask the right questions in a big way, 729 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: and it's going to take a drip by drip more 730 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: information coming out to get us there. I have one 731 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: last serious question. Are these videos going to be lost? 732 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:23,919 Speaker 1: Blink onanity two videos? You'd hope right that blink money 733 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: is in the sneeze. I I I do hear that 734 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: he is doing interesting things with his his fortune, and 735 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: I think that's really fascinating. I'm I'm being a jerk, 736 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: but I think it's really interesting that he's taking that 737 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: money and like trying to do something interesting with and 738 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: he is working with us as we said, established government figures, 739 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: many many retired, but you know, legit intelligence agency, defense 740 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 1: folks like Chris Mellon, for instance, I believe is working 741 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: with him. Is that correct. Yeah, let's just clarify here. 742 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: So Tom DeLong Blink two got together a group of 743 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: government officials who are all on the same page and 744 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: scientists to try to one get more information out like 745 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: Lou Alesando who's on his board, did get up to 746 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: videos so far declassified to us. So, you know, yea 747 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: for Tom. I'm rooting for Tom. Has nothing to do 748 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: with his music or anything like that, just as an 749 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: individual trying to move the needle forward. He has successfully 750 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: done that and hopefully will continue doing that. Of course, 751 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: there are other aspects to his project, which is, you know, 752 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: the promise through funded you know, through money from you know, 753 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: from people through crowdfunding, to to try to emulate or 754 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: simulate or make you know, some of these technologies actually function. 755 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know about that. I don't 756 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 1: know if that's gonna work. I don't know the implications 757 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: of that at you know, there's a lot of skepticism 758 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: on that, but I think what he has done is heroic. 759 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,280 Speaker 1: I think he pulled together a good group of people, 760 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: put it in the forefront, used his name in the 761 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: space as his passport to get more information out, and 762 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: I applaud him for that. So I think we just 763 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,720 Speaker 1: need to separate that from the other endeavors of his group. 764 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: Let's look at what he has done. So yeah, I 765 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: applaud him for that. Again, we are all cogs in 766 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: a much bigger wheel. The big news flash here is 767 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: if we're being visited by technologies and craft of unknown 768 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: origin not made here on Earth, who is piloting these 769 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: and what is their intention? That's the big question. And 770 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: then I would I would only add to that to 771 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: what end? I mean, it's a serious that's a serious 772 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: concern because, as human history at least has taught us, 773 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: typically when one civilization with technological advantage or superiority meets 774 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: another civilization, things do not end well. And if we 775 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 1: are in a case where where there would be some 776 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: sort of contact from beyond our terrestrial plane, we can 777 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: only hope that this would not follow the precedence set 778 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: by humanity. Right, So this is in fact where it 779 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: gets weird. I have a little theory that I call 780 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: the clock. The UFOs are clockwork orange. And it's the 781 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: basic theory that we may not be witnessing just beings 782 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: from other star systems engaging humanity with craft that appear 783 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: to be UFOs, but in fact we may be experiencing 784 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: uh an ai or some sort of artificial intelligence that 785 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: is giving us a learning program over time to acclimate 786 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: us to the ideas of high technology. Because if you 787 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: look through UFO accounts all throughout the centuries, you'll see 788 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: that what people are engaging and seeing goes far beyond 789 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,720 Speaker 1: just craft in the sky or lights in the sky. 790 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: But in fact, there are much more complex interactions that 791 00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 1: humans have from information to uh you know, technology that's 792 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: just beyond the cusp of what we have at the time. 793 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: So this information is changing over the centuries, and I 794 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: think that we may be interacting with something far stranger 795 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: than just being so another planet other people from another planet. 796 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: Well said, and speaking of stranger things, not the Netflix show, folks, 797 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: but speaking of stranger stranger subjects and topics, there is 798 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,919 Speaker 1: something that we wanted to bring up. We we would 799 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't mention this or explore it 800 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: at some point in our time with you today. And 801 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: Matt I'd like to pass the honors to you in 802 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,399 Speaker 1: this regard. Yeah, you mentioned a name that just kind 803 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: of got peppered in as we've been talking. Bob Lazar. 804 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: This is a This is a physicist who was working 805 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: at several laboratories at least I have to say allegedly 806 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,479 Speaker 1: here because you're you have your taking Bob Lazar's word 807 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: over you know, other other people's. But he worked amongst 808 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: other places, Area fifty one, according to him, and he 809 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: was witnessed to a lot of the things that we've 810 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,800 Speaker 1: been talking about today, other alien you know, alien craft, 811 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: Alloy's medals, this kind of thing, and you you got 812 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: to talk to him. Yeah. In fact, you know, after 813 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,959 Speaker 1: many years, this is always the kind of a dream 814 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: of mine. After many years of time knowing Bob, becoming friends, 815 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: we have had the chance to go really deep into 816 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: this and eventually he said, let's you know, let's do it. 817 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,719 Speaker 1: You're right, people have twisted my story. So just to 818 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: get people up today, Bob Lazar is the most important 819 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,919 Speaker 1: and key individual in the whole UFO history and more 820 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: he has certainly influenced the UFOL culture, you know with 821 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 1: his story, more than anyone particular individual and he wants 822 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: you to put the word a aegedly in front of 823 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: anything you say about him, because he wants you to 824 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: use your brain. He is giving you his story and 825 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,240 Speaker 1: telling you that you should decide if what he's telling 826 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: is true. Now, after thirty years telling his story and 827 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: not changing it, we now have a different lens in 828 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: order to look at this story. And that's what I've 829 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: been doing. I've been contact and witnesses that have never 830 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: been contacted. I've been talking with Bob and getting him 831 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: to go on film about things he's never been able 832 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: to or never talked about. So the basic story is 833 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: that Bob says he's studied alien propulsion and alien propulsion 834 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 1: system for the US military in nine nine, and he 835 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: came forward on the news with George Knapp and told 836 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: everybody about it. Eric, if you won flying sausage from 837 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: another world and a program to create a fierce technology, 838 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,799 Speaker 1: that is Bob's claim, And this is where we stand now. 839 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: He's really pretty much remained silent. He's nothing from the 840 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: UFO world has ever done anything good for his life. 841 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: And you you only know that when you get closer 842 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: to Bob as a person to see who he is 843 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: what his character is and how it really has negatively 844 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: influences life just telling his story. That will be up 845 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,240 Speaker 1: to you to judge based on the evidence and based 846 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,319 Speaker 1: on getting to know him personally through the film, if 847 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: you believe Bob Lazar and his story. But the big 848 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: question is if Bob is telling us the truth, then 849 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: what and so that's what I hope to address in 850 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: this film. Bob claims he worked at a sub base 851 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: of Area fifty one called S four. There was a 852 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: place with nine hangars and nine flying saucer type craft. 853 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: He was able to work on one and its propulsion system, 854 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: which operated allegedly off of Element one fifteen, a stabilized 855 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 1: version where they had a nice took it, stabilized it, 856 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,240 Speaker 1: and he said, gravity is a wave and it works 857 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: off gravity amplification. The most interesting thing this weaponized my 858 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: curiosity the way that this propulsion worked, because it's not 859 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: really propulsion. You don't push thrust out the back. You 860 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: distort time space by amplifying a gravituate and fall instantly 861 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,400 Speaker 1: in little jumps into a place, so you don't need 862 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: to travel fast in this be of light. So his 863 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 1: claims are that he worked on trying to understand this 864 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: system for our government. And he actually got to see 865 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: allegedly the inside of what he called the Sports Model, 866 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: which was a really sleek looking UFO, and he said 867 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: it was ominous. Wow. Well, unfortunately, I think we're running 868 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: out of time, guys, so we really we're gonna have 869 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,880 Speaker 1: to just go on our own and learn more about 870 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: this in our own journeys. Is where's the best place 871 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,839 Speaker 1: to go and find your films? For anybody listening, all 872 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,800 Speaker 1: of my films can be found at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. Currently, 873 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: my film Patients seventeen is available on Netflix as well 874 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: as iTunes and Amazon, Xbox all that stuff. What I 875 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: encourage everybody to do is go deep into the Bob 876 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 1: Blazar story. Now type it in, ask your Google voice 877 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,319 Speaker 1: device who is Bob Blazar, and just start looking into 878 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: it because I will be putting out the definitive documentary 879 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,439 Speaker 1: on his story and life within the year of two 880 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. Towards the end of it, a lot will 881 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: be revealed, So go research, catch up and hopefully we 882 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,720 Speaker 1: can touch base right before that film drops to the public. 883 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: And also this for listeners, there are two great articles 884 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 1: about the main stuff we're talking about today with this 885 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: government program. There's one on the New York Times, as 886 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 1: we mentioned, and then there was one in Politico that 887 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: I think we talked about as well. You had something 888 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: to do with the political piece, did you say, No, 889 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: I was able to know about what was going on. 890 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: I had been studying the Teknok case for two years, 891 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: so it's intimately involved in knowing how this is going 892 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: to way out to the public, which is not really important. 893 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,360 Speaker 1: It's just kind of cool that I could see it 894 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: from both sides. Absolutely, It's also interesting to read these 895 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: stories from these you know, very um prestigious news organizations 896 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: and to see the way they handle stuff that you 897 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: don't typically see dealt with by organizations like this. So 898 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty it's pretty interesting and illuminating, especially 899 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 1: when it turned into a The New York Times had 900 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 1: a follow up article where they did one of my 901 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 1: favorite moves that happens often in journalism. They started reporting 902 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: on how they reported the story, so not the actual 903 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: story itself, and then a portal of dark matter opened 904 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: up and swallowed the entire New York Times. Hey, by 905 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: the way, speaking of Netflix, have you guys seen the 906 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 1: clover Field Paradox yet not good. Oh, haven't haven't seen 907 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,919 Speaker 1: it yet, but it's a hot take. Haven't haven't seen 908 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: it yet, We've heard about it. But while you're on Netflix, 909 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: you can, as we mentioned, check out pace in seventeen. 910 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 1: You can also check out our earlier episode on Implants 911 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: with Jeremy And that was the first time we had 912 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: you on the show. And uh, just like we said then, 913 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: we greatly appreciate your time. Thank you so much for 914 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: coming on and giving our friends and neighbors listeners in 915 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,839 Speaker 1: the audience conspiracy realists a peek behind the curtain. And 916 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you said. I'm really glad that 917 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: you encourage people to dive into this on their own. 918 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: When can they expect to see the next film on 919 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,719 Speaker 1: Bob Blazar. Yes, so the boblas Our film will come 920 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: out at the end of two thousand eighteen, but I 921 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: will have one coming up before and that will be 922 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: the one on skin Walker Ranch. And so look for 923 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 1: my films this year. Absolutely, and thanks gentlemen for having 924 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,319 Speaker 1: me on. You certainly do provide a show telling people 925 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,600 Speaker 1: and giving people information on stuff they don't want you 926 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 1: to know. And I really appreciate that you do this, 927 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,160 Speaker 1: so thanks for having me on and just great work, 928 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: a pleasure. We'll see you again soon, Sir Jeremy Corbel, 929 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, And thus ends our episode for today, 930 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,279 Speaker 1: but not our show. Never fear, Matt, Noel, Paul and 931 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 1: I will be back very soon with something strange, unnerving, 932 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: hopefully fascinating, and in the meantime, we'd like to hear 933 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: from you. You can find us on Instagram. 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