Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the thirty fourth Annual Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy extrava Gunza with special guests Marcus Grant and
Speaker 1: Michael f.
Speaker 2: Florio.
Speaker 1: Love those guys, Greg Brick By Brick Rosenthal, Roto, Pat Patrick, Darty,
Speaker 1: the Big Fish, Evan Silva. Also Mark is here and
Speaker 1: now your host and the two time League of Record champion.
Speaker 1: Should have been three if Brees halted again hurt Dan
Speaker 1: hands oh unbelievable introduction. Thank you, and welcome Yes to
Speaker 1: the thirty seventh Annual Around the NFL Fantasy Extravaganza.
Speaker 2: It is Mark. It is that time again.
Speaker 3: I mean the way that I was build there, which
Speaker 3: I did notice everybody got introduced. Yeah, sure, I mean
Speaker 3: I will allow that to reflect my level of effort
Speaker 3: on this show.
Speaker 2: That's what you'd like.
Speaker 4: We're doing this old yarn again.
Speaker 5: It's not as sit out the segment, Sessler. You know,
Speaker 5: this is one of the only shows my son Walker
Speaker 5: listens to every years getting into his fantasy league, and
Speaker 5: you just have to drop a performative f bomb right
Speaker 5: off the top.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried to introduce the boys to Hard Knocks episode
Speaker 1: two yesterday. You know, tying it back together, Jeff Ulbrick
Speaker 1: Jet's DC. It's his fault. My wife pulled the chord.
Speaker 1: After about five minutes.
Speaker 2: He went at it.
Speaker 3: I've yet to see the episode, but he went down
Speaker 3: that road again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the.
Speaker 1: Guy's got a potty mouth. Check out the Hard Knocks
Speaker 1: podcast recap with Colleen Wolfe.
Speaker 2: I also did look at this. Did the Rich Eisen
Speaker 2: show this morning? Wow, get it tight, beautiful coffee cut.
Speaker 1: It's a weird way to hold something here. We'll do
Speaker 1: this and talk to Hard Knocks. So that's fun.
Speaker 2: Were you given that or did you lift that? Did
Speaker 2: you take that?
Speaker 3: With?
Speaker 2: Rich?
Speaker 1: Personally handed it? And he was he said very nice
Speaker 1: things about you.
Speaker 2: Mark.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a huge fan of the show. Now he
Speaker 3: did it, I already was.
Speaker 1: I was kidding, well, but he would love to get
Speaker 1: us on the old Eiesen show there on Roku and.
Speaker 2: Radio and all that. It's good. But who cares about this.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Fantasy extrava guns.
Speaker 1: Yes, Greg, you are again brick by Brick, not triple G,
Speaker 1: your triple B. And you've been out of the fantasy
Speaker 1: game for a while now, and yet.
Speaker 5: For one show a year in a decade, you're all
Speaker 5: the way back. Maybe, Yeah, this is we started this
Speaker 5: podcast in twenty thirteen. I left Road a World for
Speaker 5: the NFL in twenty twelve. Of you know, having looked
Speaker 5: back until the last year or two, now that my
Speaker 5: kids are in the fantasy league, Yeah, I try to
Speaker 5: help him out a little bit. Didn't help him out
Speaker 5: enough because they drafted Son, drafted Tom Brady and Mac
Speaker 5: Jones back to back rounds one and two Battle Torpedo
Speaker 5: your season. I thought about joining their league this year,
Speaker 5: and then I was looking at the average AFT position
Speaker 5: we'll talk about it, and I was like, I would
Speaker 5: wipe the floor with all these kids. That wouldn't be
Speaker 5: nice because I got takes. I think it's it's helpful
Speaker 5: actually to not be inside the fantasy bubble because you
Speaker 5: see where like they just get stuck on some weird loops.
Speaker 5: There's some weird logic inside the bubble, and we're gonna
Speaker 5: pop that bubble?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like other fathers and mothers that are
Speaker 3: attempting to guide their young children through an initial fantasy
Speaker 3: football experience, then they've got Greg Rosenthal operating as a
Speaker 3: dad in the same league.
Speaker 2: It feels a little inequitable to me.
Speaker 4: Well, they finished sixth and eighth out of eight.
Speaker 2: So, oh do you think it? Do you think, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you think Greg's name still carries clout within the industry.
Speaker 4: Within our anybody knows the industry?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like a founding father, like an Abraham
Speaker 3: Lincoln type figure.
Speaker 2: I think to most young fantasy fans, a real Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a little, a little maybe George
Speaker 1: Washington on the Delaware.
Speaker 3: I'm over I'm over billing Greg a little bit with
Speaker 3: that reference.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the extravaganza with our first guests
Speaker 1: in just a little bit. But first, let's get caught
Speaker 1: up with some housekeeping. Uh some news that we hit
Speaker 1: and again undefeated. We tape on Monday as soon as
Speaker 1: we complete the show. Uh, sizeable nugs drop. So now
Speaker 1: we have to address it. Now hit the news.
Speaker 2: How are they gonna put play Echel Elliott at center?
Speaker 6: Here?
Speaker 2: Look at this formation.
Speaker 3: It appears that Zeke's gonna go to center.
Speaker 6: This looks like my flag football team.
Speaker 7: Final play looks like Barnupel Prescott over the middle of
Speaker 7: the torpret gets spoke right away and not to do
Speaker 7: with the forty nine ers back to the championship team.
Speaker 2: Listen, I didn't big Eric Roberts back behind the glass.
Speaker 1: He pointed out that that is the final play of
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's Cowboys career. Yeah, getting pancaked as an absurd
Speaker 1: play call, not by Zaddy by the way.
Speaker 2: Make it clear is that he's going plays this year.
Speaker 3: Is Kellen Moore's last place?
Speaker 1: Got Kellen Moore fired maybe, And now he's in LA
Speaker 1: and everybod's like, oh, what a great hire playboy drew
Speaker 1: that up? Okay, before we start handing out flowers and
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings in so far for the AFC team there. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get after Kellen Moore there.
Speaker 2: But well you had to your a journalist. Anyway, Zeke,
Speaker 2: he's done with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I could think it he was gonna end up back
Speaker 1: with Dallas as the safety blanket there and the things
Speaker 1: that he still does well, like pass protection seemed to
Speaker 1: be something that Cowboys would want and the durability.
Speaker 2: But he's not.
Speaker 1: Instead, he's with the New England Patriots assigned Zeke to
Speaker 1: a one year contract that's worth up to six million.
Speaker 1: It could be significantly less than that, of course, and
Speaker 1: it probably will.
Speaker 2: Greg Zeke. Listen, there are metrics.
Speaker 1: There are stats like only three point eight yards per
Speaker 1: carry that are not great.
Speaker 2: You pop the hoods.
Speaker 1: Some of the metrics say he's one of the least
Speaker 1: efficient rushers in football last year for his workload, and
Speaker 1: yet he's still he's a name brand. He finds the
Speaker 1: end zone, he passed, protects as I said, very well.
Speaker 1: So there are reasons to think that he could help
Speaker 1: New England in their depth at running back.
Speaker 5: It's fine, but I can't believe they're spending four million
Speaker 5: dollars on a backup running back and aging backup running back.
Speaker 5: It could work out less, could be more for Zeke
Speaker 5: instead of having all that workload. If you give him
Speaker 5: one hundred touches, maybe it can be pretty effective as
Speaker 5: a short yarded guy. We know he's a great pass
Speaker 5: protector Ramandri Street. Stevenson definitely needed a backup. I kind
Speaker 5: of noted that in my column this week. They need
Speaker 5: to sign someone because they just haven't developed anyone behind Stevenson.
Speaker 5: But you let Damien Harris walk for half of this.
Speaker 5: Damien Harris is twice the natural runner that Zeke is.
Speaker 5: He's not durable, but it just seems like a position
Speaker 5: that it's strange to spend four million dollars on your back.
Speaker 5: That apparently is what he's gonna get. Three million dollar
Speaker 5: base salary, one million dollar signing bone. It's when they
Speaker 5: signed him, I was like, is he definitely gonna make
Speaker 5: the team? What if he looks bad? I guess he's
Speaker 5: making the team with that signing bone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I couldn't agree more with the Damien
Speaker 3: Harris aspect. The Bill Belichick, the general manager, has cobbled
Speaker 3: together a questionable collection of skilled position players on offense.
Speaker 3: I don't hate the idea of Elliott being used in
Speaker 3: short yardage situations.
Speaker 2: I mean that will need to be the case.
Speaker 3: He ran for two yards per carry over the last
Speaker 3: four games of last season. I don't think he's quite
Speaker 3: as shot as some people would suggest necessarily.
Speaker 2: But I like to fit.
Speaker 3: I think it mattered where he went, and I think
Speaker 3: that if you're gonna get good run blocking in New England,
Speaker 3: I don't if you're a Ramandre Stevenson fantasy guy, like
Speaker 3: this is not good for him.
Speaker 2: I don't love it for him.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's bad. I just think it doesn't help.
Speaker 1: But I think he's a goal line maybe it could
Speaker 1: be an issue, but he might vulture a few touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think Mark that Zeke had any juice
Speaker 1: in his legs last two year.
Speaker 3: I actually I'm not surprised he got a job, but
Speaker 3: I like what.
Speaker 1: He was when he got out into the open, which
Speaker 1: is rare. Yeah, and it was time to turn on
Speaker 1: the jets. He just seemed like he was lumbering rather
Speaker 1: than clearly clearly not the same player. But I just
Speaker 1: I don't hate the landing spot. I do wonder, like
Speaker 1: it's late August, we're weeks away from, you know, meaningful games,
Speaker 1: like what has Zeke Elliott been doing all offseason? Or
Speaker 1: do we trust that he's in the finest shape of
Speaker 1: his life coming off last year.
Speaker 5: He's been up and down, and he showed up to
Speaker 5: I'm glad he brought that up about Zeke because I
Speaker 5: actually thought in each of the last two years he
Speaker 5: showed up in At the beginning of the seasons, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, Zeke looks pretty good, he's moving well,
Speaker 5: and then within about two or three weeks he suffers
Speaker 5: a minor they say, injury, and he always plays through it.
Speaker 5: He's got to be one of the toughest players of
Speaker 5: his generation. I mean, he's had so many twenty one
Speaker 5: hundred touches in his career in seven years, and he
Speaker 5: always played through it. But like something always happens within
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks and then that little bit of
Speaker 5: juice is gone. But maybe he can keep that juice
Speaker 5: if he's just like a backup, not touching the ball
Speaker 5: twenty times a game.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to convince it light, but I'm not really slight.
Speaker 2: Direction Mark it's mid August, not August. Feels like late August.
Speaker 1: Not to be outdone, the New York Jets finally get
Speaker 1: it done with Dalvin Cook, the former Vikings Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: running back, a one year, wait for it, eight point
Speaker 1: six million dollar deal.
Speaker 5: Up to eight points up up to He's been doing
Speaker 5: a lot of heavy lifting up to but I did
Speaker 5: get some details in it.
Speaker 4: I think it's seven base yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, which is still juicy and sizey. And this is
Speaker 1: a move that made all the sense in the world
Speaker 1: for the Jets. And I don't worry about the money either,
Speaker 1: because it's a one year deal.
Speaker 2: I should you.
Speaker 1: And you could always and they they had some funny
Speaker 1: money because of the Aaron Rodgers, the outrageous decision that
Speaker 1: he took that pay cut to help the team and
Speaker 1: surprise everyone in the football world.
Speaker 2: So the Jets had some money, Layer Aroun.
Speaker 1: Now would they love to take some of that money
Speaker 1: and go trade for a writer left tackle. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they would, but that's They're not growing on trees at
Speaker 1: this stage. So they say, we have this money. Cook
Speaker 1: is playing hardball. Get him in the building. And I
Speaker 1: think it's so important for this team with Breese Hall
Speaker 1: not to ask or expect him to be the dude
Speaker 1: in September to let Hall, who came off the pupplace
Speaker 1: a day later, work his way back. And if you
Speaker 1: could have a situation mark here where it's Cook and
Speaker 1: Hall kind of sharing the wealth fifty to fifty split,
Speaker 1: maybe early on, and then if Hall starts looking like
Speaker 1: Hall again pre injury, he starts taking over that room
Speaker 1: and becomes the lead dog with Cook as a complimentary player.
Speaker 2: I love the sign, I love the move.
Speaker 3: I think, like Breecee, Hall last year was one of
Speaker 3: the more fascinating backs around and the offense went completely
Speaker 3: off a cliff when he was injured, and so you
Speaker 3: don't know exactly what you're going to get from him
Speaker 3: out of the gate. So it's an incredibly wise depth move.
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, another guy that people talking about like sort
Speaker 3: of declining, played through injury, like I mean, you get
Speaker 3: a you're gonna get He sounds like he's got a
Speaker 3: chip on the shoulder right now. He sounds like he's
Speaker 3: a little annoyed by some of the chit chat out
Speaker 3: there about his game not being what it was.
Speaker 2: So it was a bad shoulder.
Speaker 1: He's right, Well, practice for a couple of weeks, which
Speaker 1: is another plot, but all of it.
Speaker 3: Though, that's like, it's just like if you're the Jets,
Speaker 3: we get it. This team is going for it. And
Speaker 3: I hear people saying like there's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a dream team vibe to this. That Eagles team that
Speaker 3: fell off fell off the side of the universe like
Speaker 3: a decade ago.
Speaker 2: I don't think though. I don't think.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 3: They've got a legit defense, they've stocked up on offense.
Speaker 3: The Aaron Rodgers generosity move allowed this to happen. If
Speaker 3: you're Joe Douglas, no brainer.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 5: I think Cook has been written off too much by
Speaker 5: the cognatesz Senti because I think some of his best skills,
Speaker 5: his vision, his instincts were still there.
Speaker 4: Last year.
Speaker 5: He didn't quite have the same juice because he was
Speaker 5: playing through that injury or the same bit of aggression.
Speaker 5: But the same thing with Zeke that I think if
Speaker 5: he's splitting carries, you get more out of him, except
Speaker 5: he's at a much higher level than Ezekiel elliott Is
Speaker 5: as a difference maker. And more importantly, I just don't
Speaker 5: know why anyone is confident Breise Hall is going to
Speaker 5: be a difference maker this year. He's coming off a
Speaker 5: really serious injury. He's just coming off the pupp list
Speaker 5: this week. Counting on him to play in week one
Speaker 5: to me is asking a lot. I wouldn't play him right.
Speaker 5: And even if he is playing like he's gonna build
Speaker 5: up and you just can't assume he's the same guy.
Speaker 5: If he turns into the same guy by week six,
Speaker 5: that's great, But having someone else with him felt really
Speaker 5: necessary to me, and I think Cook they paid for it.
Speaker 5: But I think he was undervalued in a sense that
Speaker 5: like he was better than everyone else that was possibly
Speaker 5: available in this sort of price range this offseason, so
Speaker 5: he actually ended up getting paid fairly. I think he
Speaker 5: was worth taking a shot at. I'd wish that the Patriots,
Speaker 5: for instance, if they were going to sign someone, sign
Speaker 5: Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 3: And also like Michael Carter and Zonovan Knight are quality
Speaker 3: backs too.
Speaker 2: You've got depth there.
Speaker 3: I mean, what happened last year cannot happen this year.
Speaker 5: We should mention he has like a pending legal case
Speaker 5: based on his domestic violence issue that you can look into.
Speaker 5: The There's a lot going on there, but it's a
Speaker 5: civil lawsuit and that could be an issue that the
Speaker 5: NFL steps in at some point, or it could not,
Speaker 5: but it's possible worth noting.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: This is a summer tropoler, but Breese Hall is measured
Speaker 1: at twenty three miles per hour sprint speed, so he
Speaker 1: must be feeling good. The thing with the ACL recoveries,
Speaker 1: with running backs, especially, you just never know because sometimes
Speaker 1: a guy's not the same. For two years, Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: came back and ran for two thousand yards. Now Peterson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, you never know what kind
Speaker 1: of recovery the guy has. But now they have some
Speaker 1: insurance there, and I'm saying rich Eisen Jets fan. Also,
Speaker 1: we we're talking about the Jets roster. The logic checks
Speaker 1: out that this is a good team.
Speaker 2: Now will be a good team.
Speaker 3: We'll see, Well, the schedule could send that sideways, but yes.
Speaker 1: It's a good roster. It checks out that they'll win
Speaker 1: a lot of these games.
Speaker 2: That are logic and the Jets don't always go hand
Speaker 2: in hand.
Speaker 7: Though.
Speaker 1: Other news mentioned the Cowboys Zeke an ex Cowboys still
Speaker 1: a Cowboy Zach Martin. They were structured the contract if
Speaker 1: their talented right guard that holdout is over. Rap Sheet
Speaker 1: reported that Martin will earn just over eighteen million in
Speaker 1: each of the final two years of his contract. Nice Rays,
Speaker 1: six time All Pro and Greg this is an offensive
Speaker 1: line that you know, and we talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit with Ross Tucker a Monday. If things go
Speaker 1: to plan and they get healthy, which they weren't last year,
Speaker 1: it could be a very good line and Martin is
Speaker 1: a key to have him right in the.
Speaker 2: Center of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anyone was ever worried. This is
Speaker 5: where it's nice to get drafted by the Cowboys. They
Speaker 5: do take care of their stars, their future Hall of Fame,
Speaker 5: which he is and uh like he's one of the
Speaker 5: best players of his generation. He'll be like, you don't
Speaker 5: really think of Zach Martin, but one day we'll be
Speaker 5: watching him on on that Hall of Fame weekend. I'm
Speaker 5: trying to think if he was drafted right in front
Speaker 5: of what draft was that? Because people they booed him
Speaker 5: when when Zach Martin nobody wants to.
Speaker 1: Take a guard Fans don't want to guard like and
Speaker 1: then a guy becomes a lynchpin of your roster and
Speaker 1: you don't feel that the same way.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like one of those things anyway, it's not sexy,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 4: But they got booed right when it happened.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was Johnny Manzel was from that freaking
Speaker 5: uh documentary.
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 5: Because they wanted Johnny Manziel and instead the Cowboys chose
Speaker 5: Zach Martin.
Speaker 4: So good job by Jerry Jones choosing Zach Martin and.
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones he had some manziel fascination and like Jerry Jones,
Speaker 3: the GM used to get killed and there seems to
Speaker 3: be more.
Speaker 2: There was some wisdom of plug.
Speaker 5: That's a pretty big fork in the road moment where
Speaker 5: you draft a Hall of Famer instead of Johnny Manzi.
Speaker 1: No, let's let's talk a little bit about the Manzeld tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow they show.
Speaker 5: Because there's only did it, there's a lot, there's a
Speaker 5: lot to hit there.
Speaker 1: In other news, injury News didn't like seeing this right
Speaker 1: before we started. Buccaneers wide receiver Russell Gage his season
Speaker 1: is over after he suffered an injury at Wednesday's joint
Speaker 1: practice with the Jets. I mean it's Wednesday right now,
Speaker 1: it's still the morning as we're taping this on the
Speaker 1: West Coast, so they already know his season's over. It
Speaker 1: was a non contact injury sustained while he was back
Speaker 1: pedaling during seven on seven drills.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: This has been an issue for Mark throughout his Buccaneers career.
Speaker 1: These injuries are an issue. He took a pay cut
Speaker 1: to stay with the team and now he's out of
Speaker 1: the pan.
Speaker 3: And I really thought last year that you know, when
Speaker 3: Tom Brady was one of the reason hype right and
Speaker 3: I really thought he was he was an underrated guy.
Speaker 3: It didn't work out, and to lose another year suddenly
Speaker 3: your career is just floating and You've got Mike Evans,
Speaker 3: who's been getting rave reviews during camp. You got Chris Godwin,
Speaker 3: but there isn't much else elt after that, David Moore.
Speaker 3: It's real thin, and it just puts more pressure on
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield slash Kyle Trast to make this thing work.
Speaker 3: And I mean, one of the ugliest experiences from last
Speaker 3: season was Tampa Bay's offense with Tom Brady. It was
Speaker 3: a sluggish, hard to watch, discombobulated attack. It's not getting
Speaker 3: any better right now.
Speaker 5: I think people sometimes overreact too much to the surroundings.
Speaker 5: Mike Evans and Godwin are going so late in fantasy drafts.
Speaker 5: You feel for Russell Gage, who I thought was a
Speaker 5: great signing by them a year ago and it hasn't
Speaker 5: worked out. But fantasy wise, like all those targets are
Speaker 5: going to that dude, even if they're not that good
Speaker 5: of a passing team, like someone's got to get a
Speaker 5: thousand yards.
Speaker 4: Those guys are money.
Speaker 1: That might come up later. And finally, the news, tragic news.
Speaker 1: This really sucked. Alex Collins, the former Arkansas running back
Speaker 1: who played five seasons in the NFL, including a very
Speaker 1: memorable run with the Baltimore Ravens back in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: He died after his involvement in a motorcycle in Florida
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, just twenty eight years old. You talk about,
Speaker 1: like for us the Aten R we've gone into our
Speaker 1: eleventh season, just a really fun story. He rushed for
Speaker 1: nearly a thousand yards, came out of nowhere, had six touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and he was known as the guy that did the
Speaker 1: Irish step dance when he got to the end zone.
Speaker 1: He had been practicing it to work on his agility
Speaker 1: with a teenager that he was somehow connected to, like
Speaker 1: their family, and it was a nice little story there.
Speaker 2: And to see his life end like this, it's hard
Speaker 2: to even fathom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, reading about how it happens, incredibly tragic.
Speaker 2: But the people that.
Speaker 3: Played with them in the locker room, I think you
Speaker 3: kind of forget that these guys beyond just their numbers
Speaker 3: and like what they do on the field, some of
Speaker 3: them had these incredible personalities and got to where they
Speaker 3: were because of it. And he just got incredibly praised
Speaker 3: by the people that played with him. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's just like man like at this one stopped me
Speaker 3: in my tracks when I when I read how it.
Speaker 4: Happened, he's really sad.
Speaker 5: He always said, like when they would do the interviews,
Speaker 5: he had such a joyous personality. I saw that this
Speaker 5: school in Ireland where he had gone to, the Irish
Speaker 5: dance school like to like learn because it kind of
Speaker 5: became his thing, and he went over there. I think
Speaker 5: it's called Drake Irish Dance it's called He went over
Speaker 5: there and made friends with all the people at the school,
Speaker 5: really had a connection with them. They actually did like
Speaker 5: a dance this week in honor of him. They said
Speaker 5: to know him was to love him. They they became
Speaker 5: really big fans and apparently had like a nice relationship
Speaker 5: that continued throughout his playing days.
Speaker 4: So rest in peace, very said Alex Colin.
Speaker 1: Colin is dead at the age of twenty eight. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for the news. That's what's happening. We'll be
Speaker 1: back after a break and begin the Fantasy Extravaganza.
Speaker 2: Will be right back right Welcome back. It is time
Speaker 2: to dig it.
Speaker 1: We promised you high level fantasy minds, so we got
Speaker 1: to start right inside the building with Marcus Grant and
Speaker 1: Michael f Florio.
Speaker 2: Fantasy Studs welcome back. Thanks man.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking of the music. It's like an awards show
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 2: Well, you deserve it. It's a big deal. It's a
Speaker 2: big deal to have you here. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1: We our whole thing is, we're only gonna do one
Speaker 1: fantasy show all year. We stay off your corner because
Speaker 1: you guys do it well. But if we're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it count.
Speaker 2: I love being part of the extravaganza every year.
Speaker 6: It's a good time and I always love I love
Speaker 6: Sessler's Fantasy corner.
Speaker 2: The whole deal. It's great. Yeah, Marca marks you older.
Speaker 1: He's got he's got money, and he just doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be on the corner anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh, we took a corner. As you remember, it was
Speaker 3: a violent part of town.
Speaker 2: You were like combat helmet.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I don't need that at this point. Like
Speaker 3: the youth, more youth like younger version of me was,
Speaker 3: you know, keen to that.
Speaker 2: I understand, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: So in terms of like how we want to attack
Speaker 1: the conversation with you boys, we thought just talk a
Speaker 1: little ADP and uh average draft position for the uninitiated,
Speaker 1: which would be weird you got to know that certain
Speaker 1: things you got.
Speaker 2: To know even compete in your league.
Speaker 1: No, ADP, and we could talk about Greg what what
Speaker 1: jumped out to us? What seems weird? What feels like
Speaker 1: a good value, a bad value? Maybe I'll tee it
Speaker 1: up this way, Mike, who's your favorite kind of undervalued guy?
Speaker 2: ADP? Right now?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I like Quentin Johnston a whole lot.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 8: I think that if either Keenan Allen or Mike Williams
Speaker 8: miss his time, I think this Chargers offense.
Speaker 2: Which they will.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think this Chargers' offense is going to
Speaker 8: be one of the very best in the league. Now
Speaker 8: with Kellen Moore there, I think Justin Herbert could take
Speaker 8: a huge jump.
Speaker 2: And we went to Chargers camp weeks ago. There looks
Speaker 2: like it looks like.
Speaker 8: A basketball team. Their receiving room and he towers over
Speaker 8: everyone so he could win downfield good after the catch.
Speaker 6: I really like him. I like Quinston Johnston. I like
Speaker 6: I like Deontay Johnson Pittsburgh. You know he's that guy
Speaker 6: that all of us who do this love Deontay Johnson
Speaker 6: because you know, he's got the technical skills. He got
Speaker 6: a ton of targets, and then you know people who
Speaker 6: are more casual just look and say he didn't score
Speaker 6: a touchdown last year, and it's like sort of hard
Speaker 6: to argue that, but one, you can't score fewer than zero, right,
Speaker 6: So so regression positive regression has to be coming his way.
Speaker 6: Canny Pikett doesn't have to be great, He just has
Speaker 6: to not be terrible because with the volume of targets.
Speaker 6: Deontay Johnson gets law of average says he's gonna get
Speaker 6: in the end zone this year. I think the Steelers
Speaker 6: will be at least a little bit better. And he's
Speaker 6: going like in the eighth round. I feel like that
Speaker 6: steel right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I was looking at the average raft position, I
Speaker 5: never look at it until the day or two before
Speaker 5: this show, and some things just stand out to like
Speaker 5: that and like they're a great risk receivers available in
Speaker 5: that area of the draft lot. You know, Bryan Brandon
Speaker 5: Nyuk's going pretty late, Mike Williams is going pretty late.
Speaker 5: Mike Evans, who's getting a lot of like, hey, it's
Speaker 5: a contract year and he's crushing everyone at Bucks Camp, like,
Speaker 5: is maybe getting discounted too much, I think for Baker
Speaker 5: getting there, But I wanted to ask you guys about
Speaker 5: the averagedraft position at the top, because I'm basic and
Speaker 5: people like looking at the top though, like there's it's
Speaker 5: very interesting only four running backs in round one. I
Speaker 5: kind of feel like now the average draft has caught
Speaker 5: up to uh that receivers are just safer than running backs.
Speaker 5: But the running back that stuck out the most that
Speaker 5: is in round one to me is I thought Bijon
Speaker 5: might be going at number one overall, and I think
Speaker 5: I would consider him at one overall, two overall, three overall,
Speaker 5: and he's down there at nine. That usually doesn't happen
Speaker 5: in fantasy drafts. I know, he's like a rookie, Like,
Speaker 5: where are you at with Bijeon? Do you think that's
Speaker 5: too high or too low? Because for him to be
Speaker 5: that low that means in some drafts he's like slipping
Speaker 5: into mid round two. That's shocking to me because I
Speaker 5: think there's like a reasonable chance he's like RB one
Speaker 5: this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we throw it to the experts on this,
Speaker 1: like he's never played before, sure, but I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: like if you look at who are the other guys
Speaker 1: running backs that hit the came into the league, like
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson flashes in my mind as an example, Greg,
Speaker 1: that was during your brick by brick era.
Speaker 2: Was he a guy that was going top five overall?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like if you're adp as a
Speaker 1: rookie who's never played before is top ten, you're pretty
Speaker 1: unique already.
Speaker 3: Also, like Clyde Edwards Hilaria, we just did this. I mean,
Speaker 3: I trust he's going around where Clyde Edwards Hiliro was going.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I mean. Maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people I was burned in his rookie season,
Speaker 1: Like maybe people are jumpy about that.
Speaker 6: I think I think it's a little bit of you know,
Speaker 6: I'll say this, people are less scared to draft rookies
Speaker 6: in the first round now than they were a few
Speaker 6: years ago. Like I remember when Zeke came out and
Speaker 6: everybody was like, you know, and a lot of people
Speaker 6: analysts were like, hey, he's a first round pick, and
Speaker 6: a lot of pushback was he's never before. But you know,
Speaker 6: we've seen Zeke do it, We've seen Saquon do it,
Speaker 6: we've seen Christian McCaffrey do it, and so I think
Speaker 6: people are a little less hesitant. But I still think
Speaker 6: when you look at the running backs going ahead of him,
Speaker 6: it's a case of, well, we have seen this for
Speaker 6: sure before, Like we believe Bijon can be good. We
Speaker 6: know McCaffrey, Eckler, Chubb, we know those guys are gonna
Speaker 6: be good. So that I think is why you're seeing
Speaker 6: them go ahead. But I don't think it's out of
Speaker 6: the realm of possibility for Beijon to be the RB one.
Speaker 6: But you know, if you can take him later in
Speaker 6: the first round, take the discount and be happy.
Speaker 4: But like, what what to your point? What was like
Speaker 4: Zeke Specks the year.
Speaker 5: I guess he was good in year three two, But like,
Speaker 5: is it right off the bat he's getting two thousand.
Speaker 2: Years the back end? You know?
Speaker 1: Sticking with running backs here that you know two guys
Speaker 1: that scare the hell out of me personally, Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Taylor. And I'm looking here at a fantasy
Speaker 1: football calculator. They're they're going twenty four to twenty five average, man.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want anything to do with
Speaker 1: guys that have that much stake around them. And Taylor
Speaker 1: also has the ankle stuff that maybe you're still concerned
Speaker 1: about surprise where they are or does that seem about right?
Speaker 8: I think it seems about right. Late second, early third
Speaker 8: round is where you get them. Look, there's risk obviously
Speaker 8: tied to them, but they're the kind of like league
Speaker 8: winning type picks. Because if you could get Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 8: or Josh Jacobs and they end up being there week
Speaker 8: one and they have their normal type of season, those
Speaker 8: are guys that were gonna be late first early, like
Speaker 8: going around where Bijon and Saquon and those guys were going.
Speaker 8: So you are getting a big discount on them, because
Speaker 8: I know it only sounds like, oh around maybe a
Speaker 8: round and a half, but that early in the draft,
Speaker 8: that is a sizable discount. So it depends on how
Speaker 8: risk adverse you want to be. But if you are,
Speaker 8: if you're someone who's like me and you play to
Speaker 8: swing for the fences in the game, exactly, it's worth
Speaker 8: a dice.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: With Bijon, like Echeler, we've seen it, but what are
Speaker 5: the odds he's actually got to be that good again
Speaker 5: this year?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's And here's the one last thing
Speaker 1: on this, but when you look, if you don't go
Speaker 1: for the Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor big swing there. If
Speaker 1: they're available, you know the guys that you're going after
Speaker 1: that according to the list I'm looking at here, it's
Speaker 1: like Nauji Harris, it's like, Okay, Joe Mixon, Travis etn
Speaker 1: I like him more than another's, Brice Haw his injury issues,
Speaker 1: and now Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 2: So it's like, if the next name is, oh, Jamiir Gibbs,
Speaker 2: that's who you want. Okay, go on top of the
Speaker 2: fourth round.
Speaker 6: Jamiir Gibbs is sort of like arbitrage Bjeon Robinson, right.
Speaker 6: I think that's how people are sort of injured about it.
Speaker 6: That he has a great skill set, He's in an
Speaker 6: offense that was great last year. DeAndre Swift leaving has
Speaker 6: sort of opened up an opportunity. But you don't have
Speaker 6: to pay that first round draft price. You can wait
Speaker 6: until the third, maybe fourth round, and Jamior Gibbs is
Speaker 6: still sitting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 5: Fourth round, but one of them is like one of
Speaker 5: the greatest running back prospects of all time.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm just saying. Sometimes when it seems obvious,
Speaker 4: it is obvious.
Speaker 3: How do you deal with when speaking of rookies, Because
Speaker 3: I look at the tight end position number one, You've
Speaker 3: got a limited amount of like premiere tight ends. You
Speaker 3: can't sleep on that round after round. You might have
Speaker 3: to go really early if you want to get one
Speaker 3: of these guys. But I feel like rookie tight ends
Speaker 3: they can be pumped up, but you really don't get
Speaker 3: the production sometimes from that position until year two or three.
Speaker 3: But then you hear about the buzz around Dalton Kincaid,
Speaker 3: Sam Laporta. Is this part of your swing for the fences?
Speaker 3: Like you trust that these guys produce right away?
Speaker 2: I love them both. I do a those I'll say this.
Speaker 6: I am also not averse to taking Travis Kelce in
Speaker 6: the first round just because set it and forget it.
Speaker 2: I don't need that headache.
Speaker 6: But if I'm waiting, Kincaid and Laporter are two guys
Speaker 6: that I'm traveling a lot this year.
Speaker 4: Kelsey's going we top six or seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's maybe even tough. I see him
Speaker 2: at four in someplaces. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I literally part of me with Kinkaid, I will admit,
Speaker 6: part of me, you know, still has emotional scars watching
Speaker 6: him run over USC last year when you have like
Speaker 6: eleven d catches against them in like the regular season.
Speaker 6: But I think he's great. I think he's gonna get
Speaker 6: a lot of opportunity. And Sam Laporta a talented guy.
Speaker 6: And you know when you look at the rest of
Speaker 6: that depth chart there when it comes to tight ends
Speaker 6: in Detroit, you know, stop me when somebody you know
Speaker 6: wows you brock right, James Mitchell, Darryl Dany like nothing, no, right,
Speaker 6: nobody there. He is gonna take those targets away from him.
Speaker 1: Cautionary tale. I did it two years in a row
Speaker 1: because I was so high on him. You want to
Speaker 1: talk about guy coming out of college, seeing his potential
Speaker 1: all time prospect, Kyle Pitts, and he's going at the
Speaker 1: top of the seventh round. So finally the fantasy world's like,
Speaker 1: we gotta pump the brakes here, and of course their
Speaker 1: offense there. I was gonna run the ball out with
Speaker 1: Beijon there and the quarterback situation, where are Kyle Pitts friendly.
Speaker 2: Shot are we gonna do it?
Speaker 1: Is it smart to get him around early and hope
Speaker 1: that it finally pops here?
Speaker 8: I think so coming into two drafts, I want one
Speaker 8: of the top seven tight ends this year, and my
Speaker 8: top favorite targets are Kelsey in the first, Darren Waller,
Speaker 8: or Kyle Pitts. And the thing I love about Kyle
Speaker 8: Pitts is last season he could have been Jerry Rice
Speaker 8: and he would have flopped because sixty percent of his
Speaker 8: targets were deemed uncatch brutal, Marcus Mariota no offense, he
Speaker 8: was just not a good passer last year, and then
Speaker 8: when they brought in Desmond Ritter, they started throwing about
Speaker 8: six times more per game, which doesn't sound like a
Speaker 8: whole lot, but when you add that up over seventeen games,
Speaker 8: we're talking about one hundred more pass attempts. Plus there
Speaker 8: was two games last year that they lost by more
Speaker 8: than one score. I don't know if they're gonna have
Speaker 8: the game script where they can just run the ball
Speaker 8: as much as they did last year, So I think naturally,
Speaker 8: with Pitts being so talented, with more opportunity and stuff,
Speaker 8: and then with him going four rounds later than he
Speaker 8: was going a year ago, that's it's the whole game.
Speaker 5: That's why like Kelsey at fifth seems insane to me,
Speaker 5: because it's like he's never been taken close to that high.
Speaker 5: And yes, he's coming off one of his best seasons.
Speaker 5: He's thirty four years. Like, don't take anyone in the
Speaker 5: season that they're going way higher than they've ever gone before.
Speaker 5: You mentioned you wanted a top seven tight end. So
Speaker 5: just for our listeners, Andrews is going around round three,
Speaker 5: that's fine. Hockinson and round four that seems crazy to me,
Speaker 5: like they're such good receivers and other players available, then
Speaker 5: Kitto and five very injury prone at this point, including
Speaker 5: right now, he's out Waller.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 5: Waller and got her in the round six area feels
Speaker 5: tasty to me. God Her, I feel like every every year,
Speaker 5: I feel like he's going to have a career year,
Speaker 5: and every year he does. And I and what you
Speaker 5: hear out of Philadelphia, I think he's just going to
Speaker 5: be a huge part of that offense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love Waller this year. I'm still in on
Speaker 6: Kyle Pitts. I would say this with Kelsey. Part of
Speaker 6: the reason you're seeing it is because there was no
Speaker 6: greater single player advantage in Fantasy.
Speaker 4: Right that was last last I Look, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: A wise man once told me don't draft last year's
Speaker 6: best team, So that's something to keep it.
Speaker 3: I have a personal question. I think people are familiar
Speaker 3: with the app cameo, where you can, you know, provide
Speaker 3: videos and birthday messages to people. But it comes to
Speaker 3: a feat and it's to get access to people like yourself.
Speaker 3: Michael Florio is charging twenty five dollars for a personal video.
Speaker 3: Well that seems reasonable, Marcus. I just wanted to, like
Speaker 3: to get a comunist. You're charging fifty dollars. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: what's happening here? Well, you know, what are you providing
Speaker 3: the U not providing?
Speaker 2: You take what the market will give you.
Speaker 5: Right, scary question, fair, Marcus, You've been here at the
Speaker 5: NFL in fantasy for a while.
Speaker 2: This is twenty.
Speaker 4: Eleven, okay, in Florio is a little bit more of
Speaker 4: a nuke. No, I know.
Speaker 2: I had to see. I was like, no one's gonna
Speaker 2: pay fifty dollars.
Speaker 3: Your stock is on the rise, though there's Mike's value.
Speaker 2: Should I make it like twenty thirty? From an ADP standpoint,
Speaker 2: I think I think.
Speaker 4: You bump it?
Speaker 6: Look I will I was that I I sort of
Speaker 6: went with the recommendations of the cameo brain Trust.
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, like what is Beetlejuice charge for
Speaker 1: his cameo? Like, well, let's get some other like celebrities
Speaker 1: out there figure it out.
Speaker 5: I think the juice is still with us.
Speaker 6: All I know is I heard that uh Dean Norris
Speaker 6: Hank from Breaking Back is charging around.
Speaker 2: Two hundred bucks for cameos.
Speaker 8: Apparently the guy who plays Kevin from the Office makes
Speaker 8: like that's his living now.
Speaker 2: He's the most lucrative. Yeah, he wants like millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Here would be my the way I would do it.
Speaker 1: Do it like you're putting a house on the market, right,
Speaker 1: so you said it high, and then if you have
Speaker 1: to quietly go to your real estate broke and be like,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: Take it down, then you do it. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: depress your value. Maybe I've had to already do that once.
Speaker 4: All right on.
Speaker 2: One guy, pay you twenty dollars, let me send you
Speaker 2: a video.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the equivalent I feel like of Mike Florio on
Speaker 5: cameo being a bargain at twenty five bucks. I think
Speaker 5: after I looked at all these ADP's and some seemed
Speaker 5: insane to me. When you go through a whole offseason
Speaker 5: and not see anything. The one that was by far
Speaker 5: the most insane is that Damian Pierce of the Texans
Speaker 5: is going at the end of the fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 5: That would be my number one recommendation, my number one
Speaker 5: guy I'm standing on the table for in all of this,
Speaker 5: if you had told me he was going at one twelve,
Speaker 5: I would have been like, oh, yeah, it's like one
Speaker 5: of the best running backs in the league with a
Speaker 5: really good offensive line and guaranteed to get three hundred touches.
Speaker 5: That feels like a guy in his second year, because
Speaker 5: I'd rather have running backs early that goes in the
Speaker 5: top fifteen to twenty picks. Like the ceilings through the
Speaker 5: roof as they would say, what, I don't get it,
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, do you agree with.
Speaker 2: Me that this Cily is the roof is the Jordan?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it doesn't. I don't get it, but that,
Speaker 5: like it's insane. He would be behind Madison, Kenneth Walker,
Speaker 5: and Miles Like all of it seems insane to me.
Speaker 5: Go draft Damien Pierce. Agree or disagree, I know I
Speaker 5: love Dan.
Speaker 6: I will say this, I want to keep him at
Speaker 6: that ADP because I think it's a bargain. But I
Speaker 6: think I think there's a general fear of the Texans offense,
Speaker 6: Like if you look, there are no Texans really getting draft.
Speaker 2: Ain't no Texans on my team. And I think the
Speaker 2: other part is, but.
Speaker 4: They have a good line. It's kind of sneaky. They
Speaker 4: have a good line, and it can't be worse than
Speaker 4: last year. He was great last year.
Speaker 6: Right, But I think the knock ons that he doesn't
Speaker 6: really well, that he doesn't catch the ball, but they
Speaker 6: seem to be working that into the arsenal this year too.
Speaker 8: My only concern with him is that it's a first
Speaker 8: year OC and he comes from San Francisco who always
Speaker 8: like to rotate their run. Even Christian McCaffrey, we were like,
Speaker 8: why is this guy not playing ninety percent of the
Speaker 8: snaps anymore? Okay, they signed Devin Singletary. I'm a little
Speaker 8: bit concerned if he'll eat into the workload.
Speaker 3: So if you're for the casual like newer fantasy person
Speaker 3: and you're sitting there and you know these guys, but
Speaker 3: you know you're dealing with someone like Alvin Kamara or
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams, you're dealing with early season suspensions just they
Speaker 3: just go undrafted or you grab them late, Like what
Speaker 3: do you do with Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 8: I love both of those players, like Jamison Williams is
Speaker 8: one of my most drafted receivers, Alvin Kamara from running
Speaker 8: backs because I don't care about the first three weeks
Speaker 8: of the season. For Alvin Kamara, I can get by.
Speaker 8: There's no buyers, injuries haven't piled up yet, so it's
Speaker 8: easy to set here, especially when you could plan for it.
Speaker 8: So for me, I just want my team and it's
Speaker 8: optimal shape. Come to fantasy playoffs, and I think Jamison
Speaker 8: Williams and Alvin Kamara could be league winners if they hit.
Speaker 2: I love that move.
Speaker 1: I remember winning a league once with when I had
Speaker 1: I grabbed Tom Brady during his the flake Gate suspension
Speaker 1: earlier than maybe others thought, and then you just stash
Speaker 1: him and before you know it, it's October or whatever,
Speaker 1: and some of these suspensions tall and then it's like
Speaker 1: it's like the baseball GM who tries to play cad
Speaker 1: an angry fan base about oh, when this guy comes back,
Speaker 1: it will be about It's like trading for a big
Speaker 1: time kind of is that way?
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge comment here is that what this is.
Speaker 1: I got some rage Ran Cashman, but that's fine. But
Speaker 1: I love doing that move. I get guys that are
Speaker 1: out of the picture and then when they show up,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, no.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent. Like I'm people were drafting Kamara anyway.
Speaker 6: They were sort of, you know, being a little bit cautious,
Speaker 6: and I think he was going around like round eight
Speaker 6: and in the moment we found out what the suspension was,
Speaker 6: people were willing to Yeah, people were willing to reach
Speaker 6: a couple.
Speaker 2: Of rounds higher, but no, no doubt to buy it.
Speaker 6: But I'd say in the short term, you know, if
Speaker 6: you're willing to go get Jamal Williams, say in round
Speaker 6: ten or eleven, you know the first three weeks there's
Speaker 6: a big opportunity for him there.
Speaker 5: And have faith in your ability to just fill that
Speaker 5: spot for three weeks. He can the third or four
Speaker 5: round player. It's like a study I read and talk
Speaker 5: about this with my kids, Like one of the things
Speaker 5: you can most easily predict scientifically among kids, like who's
Speaker 5: going to be happier in life or have more successes,
Speaker 5: Like if you're the type of person when you have
Speaker 5: as a kid something in front of you, and you
Speaker 5: can wait until tomorrow to actually have it, like if
Speaker 5: you or if you have to have it right now?
Speaker 5: Basically like do you want to wait till tomorrow and
Speaker 5: have two pieces of chocolate? Do you want one piece
Speaker 5: of chocolate right now? The kids who take the one
Speaker 5: piece of chocolate right now end up like less happy,
Speaker 5: less successful. If you can wait, if you can wait
Speaker 5: for Camara, that's a nice.
Speaker 2: I want it right now. I want to I could
Speaker 2: wait on fantasy players, not chocolate.
Speaker 5: Do you have any like wide receivers before we let
Speaker 5: you go, just Eddie that you think are a nice
Speaker 5: value mid, early, late, whatever you want.
Speaker 6: I keep saying that rumors of Tyler Lockett's fantasy demise
Speaker 6: are greatly exaggerated, you know, when the moment they drafted
Speaker 6: Jackson Smith and Jig but everybody's like, oh, it's over
Speaker 6: for Tyler Lockett, And I'm like, have we forgotten that
Speaker 6: he's actually outperformed Dk Metcalf the last couple of years.
Speaker 6: He has been the better of the two receivers. And
Speaker 6: I think that the Seahawks sort of going all in
Speaker 6: on Geno Smith's suggests they want to throw the football more.
Speaker 6: And look, if you're willing to let me have Tyler
Speaker 6: Lockett somewhere, you know, round five, round six, I will
Speaker 6: thank you for that opportunity. I think you know who
Speaker 6: needs eighty catches, you know, eleven twelve hundred yards and
Speaker 6: eight to ten touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Who needs that? I love Tyler Lockett as well.
Speaker 8: But one area that I love it for receivers is
Speaker 8: like that late third early fourth round because chrissel Lave's
Speaker 8: early third round. But like the Lave, Calvin Ridley, Amari
Speaker 8: Cooper are three receivers that I want on as many
Speaker 8: teams as I can get.
Speaker 2: They all go in that range, So I just try
Speaker 2: to target.
Speaker 3: Whichever one that seems like incredible values.
Speaker 2: Throat two others out there, I'd go crazy, yeah big.
Speaker 1: Going early fifth round Terry McLaurin and Christian Wattson two
Speaker 1: guys I will if they're sitting there for me at
Speaker 1: the top of the fifth round, I'm all over both
Speaker 1: of those guys.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: McLaurin just he's sort of the new Alan Robinson, Like
Speaker 6: he's that guy that I just if I could wish
Speaker 6: one thing, I would just wish for him to actually
Speaker 6: get like a really good quarterback. But he's somehow figured
Speaker 6: out how to process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he gets his and imagine if how could play.
Speaker 1: We shall see before we say goodbye to our friends
Speaker 1: in the NFL media fantasy realm.
Speaker 2: Do you want to share some of the reporting that
Speaker 2: we've heard.
Speaker 5: So, Yeah, I heard, I heard a little whisper. Just
Speaker 5: you know, you've probably heard this too many times. Michael
Speaker 5: left Florio, But you share a name with my old
Speaker 5: boss Mike Florio, who was a prominent position in the
Speaker 5: in the industry.
Speaker 2: Did not know he was your old bass until recently.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I worked there for three years. It was like
Speaker 5: right below Mike if writes a memoir that he's going
Speaker 5: to do like three three chapters on the memoir him,
Speaker 5: I just heard whispers that he wasn't happy. There's another
Speaker 5: Mike Florio on the scene, which it makes sense that
Speaker 5: there's another you're Mike Florio, then there's another Mike Florio
Speaker 5: that arrives and that this has caused some consternation in
Speaker 5: your rise because you've had a great rise here. You're
Speaker 5: what a researcher at one point and now now an
Speaker 5: on air talent.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he apparently he doesn't like me very much, or
Speaker 8: or my name, which I'm like, we have the same name,
Speaker 8: you would we do the same thing.
Speaker 2: We have a lot in common.
Speaker 3: It's not your personality, Thoments, it's the it's the overlap.
Speaker 2: This can't be true. It's on his radar. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I was shocked when I heard I was even on
Speaker 8: his radar. I was like, oh I because it was
Speaker 8: like a year or two ago. I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: I didn't even think.
Speaker 3: Did you add the F because of him?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They they want you to change your name.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to go by a name that I
Speaker 8: is not my name, because then I wouldn't respond to.
Speaker 2: It, Like if you were like you are him, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're Mike Floria. So I was. But the funniest thing
Speaker 2: is a lot of people think he's my dad.
Speaker 4: Right, So I get you.
Speaker 5: He talks about his kid all the time. He has
Speaker 5: he has one son, and he talks about him all
Speaker 5: the time. And he's old enough that he's he's not
Speaker 5: quite his old d but I think he's in his twenties.
Speaker 2: So okay.
Speaker 3: But when we would get emails from you when you
Speaker 3: were in research way back when, like I was like,
Speaker 3: that's got to probably be Mike Florio's son, right, like
Speaker 3: he's in football. He's stuck in on the concept.
Speaker 2: Investigator was like, it's got to be a son. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: my dad's name is Frank. He does not work in
Speaker 2: sports at all. Home.
Speaker 5: What would the option be not go by Mike. I
Speaker 5: think that's ridiculous. Otherly, you're younger, and I think you've
Speaker 5: got a chance. You're you're going to take over.
Speaker 2: Somebody has used to.
Speaker 8: Pass the name Torch to me there. They wanted me
Speaker 8: to go by Frank because and I was like, no,
Speaker 8: that's my dad. That's that's what I can't Frank.
Speaker 3: But you're getting you're getting dinged. You said for like
Speaker 3: you go and pro footballs.
Speaker 4: You're mentioned. Maybe that's it. He's getting a lot of.
Speaker 8: Question For years, I would get like mentions the people
Speaker 8: being like how are you reporting on this?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I am not reporting.
Speaker 8: For a while, Cynthia Frielan was asking me to send
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Speaker 1: Many know him as Rodo Pat His mother knows him
Speaker 1: as Patrick Darth.
Speaker 2: What's up, Bud? Not much.
Speaker 9: I feel like I'm watching highlights of Super Bowl twelve
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Speaker 10: I love it.
Speaker 1: As I've said on this on this special before, Roto
Speaker 1: Pad holds a special place in my heart.
Speaker 2: Frist of all a mensch, just a good guy.
Speaker 1: But also the only fantasy column I read every week
Speaker 1: is his Rotal World column when he goes through each
Speaker 1: matchup and and it has helped me win titles. So
Speaker 1: I got to bring that to the audience and again, sincerely,
Speaker 1: thank you sir for all your help through the years.
Speaker 9: It's my pleasure and I have to give you thanks.
Speaker 9: You gave me one of the only compliments that's ever
Speaker 9: really stuck with me.
Speaker 10: I think it was you.
Speaker 9: I don't remember, as you were in Mark Hopes, but
Speaker 9: you praised my thought strangeness. You were talking about my
Speaker 9: writing style, and you praised my thought strangeness, and that's
Speaker 9: like exactly what I go for.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I think praises It sounds like something Mark
Speaker 5: would say.
Speaker 2: We've talked about roto Pats.
Speaker 3: But when you can tell on Rotor World like, oh
Speaker 3: that's his blurb, right, it's not any it's clearly his
Speaker 3: because he's gone down an avenue of snarkiness, slash, a
Speaker 3: little bit left of center, take in its loud. It
Speaker 3: makes it the site all that more enjoyable. I'm glad
Speaker 3: to see waiting to see how you rebrand Rotor World.
Speaker 3: For the fourteenth time.
Speaker 2: You know, an off season from.
Speaker 5: Now, you're still doing blurbs though, right, are you out
Speaker 5: of the game.
Speaker 4: You're in the blurb I'm not all the way out.
Speaker 10: I'm less in the game than I used to be,
Speaker 10: but I'm still blurbing.
Speaker 5: Like that was that was the moves when I when
Speaker 5: I was there, I tried to set the framework at
Speaker 5: some point, maybe you get off the blurbs because it's
Speaker 5: it's like a gristmill, you know, you got to get
Speaker 5: off the blurbs point.
Speaker 1: You do ten to fifteen blurbs per I've missed the
Speaker 1: last part of that.
Speaker 9: Like hours is what I aim for. But is right,
Speaker 9: Blurbing is the most difficult first world job.
Speaker 2: On the planet.
Speaker 9: Like it's just like there the definition of a first
Speaker 9: world problem job where you're just reading Twitter all day.
Speaker 9: But there's something about it that is so grueling and
Speaker 9: soul runs.
Speaker 2: It was fun, fun, you just robbing souls.
Speaker 4: No, I enjoyed it. It was like it really was
Speaker 4: the framework and it.
Speaker 3: Was it was fun. Employee totally different.
Speaker 5: It was great to work with the pat back in
Speaker 5: the day. And I'm glad that you're still there. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like many people we're gonna have. Evan Silvan have
Speaker 5: gone on to do other great things, but you are
Speaker 5: the connection still for me personally, so that's important.
Speaker 4: That's between my era and now.
Speaker 9: I signed in Atlanta brave style contract where they got
Speaker 9: me under for one hundred years at the age of
Speaker 9: twenty two.
Speaker 5: So can I ask you about some a news item
Speaker 5: that just popped by the way this week at least,
Speaker 5: which was Richardson? Where are you at on Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 5: Where he should be in fantasy drafts? Because now that
Speaker 5: you know we's start in Week one, that kind of
Speaker 5: takes I don't know where he's settling in average draft position.
Speaker 5: I would be extremely intrigued to have him on my team.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of not worried about where he's getting taken.
Speaker 10: Well, you asked him, so he was a guy who
Speaker 10: was gonna talk about.
Speaker 9: We're one of like the loose question we threw around,
Speaker 9: maybe come up here is who am I worried about?
Speaker 9: And I'm just a little worried about Anthony Richardson, who,
Speaker 9: depending on who you ask, could be a huge ADP
Speaker 9: value or it could be a huge ADP reach.
Speaker 10: He's like the QB ten or eleven.
Speaker 9: And it's just because of Justin Fields, because of Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 9: because of Josh Allen, because of Lamar Jackson. I think
Speaker 9: fantasy managers have kind of become conditioned to think, well,
Speaker 9: he's a quarterback who can run, like guaranteed top ten
Speaker 9: fantasy season, and like kind of the belief that like
Speaker 9: these insane dual threat seasons grow on trees when you
Speaker 9: know they just don't. Like, we didn't get that from
Speaker 9: Justin Fields as a rookie. We kind of got it
Speaker 9: from Lamar Jackson his half season as a rookie. We
Speaker 9: kind of got it from Jalen Hurts his half season
Speaker 9: as a rookie. We didn't get it from Josh Allen.
Speaker 9: It's a team, you know, kind of like rebuilding from
Speaker 9: the ground up. He needs Jonathan Taylor for cover.
Speaker 10: We don't really know.
Speaker 9: I think Jonathan Taylor will be out there Week one.
Speaker 9: There's just so much moving parts for a prospect who
Speaker 9: is so inexperienced, you know, barely basically played one season
Speaker 9: of college football. He is is My colleague Kyle de
Speaker 9: Worschick always says he's Dereck Henry in a quarterback's body.
Speaker 9: That will help with the rushing, of course, and the
Speaker 9: duel throughout goodness and fantasy. But he seems like a
Speaker 9: guy who has the ceiling to be like an absolute
Speaker 9: fantasy legend that where I am waiting one year and
Speaker 9: then of course missing.
Speaker 10: Out and everyone's laughing at me. But he is someone
Speaker 10: I'm worried about for this season.
Speaker 5: That's fair that you need like a little bit of rushing.
Speaker 5: I mean a little bit of passing, because Josh Allen
Speaker 5: actually did run quite well as a rookie, but you're right,
Speaker 5: his passing was so forgettable that he didn't really matter.
Speaker 5: I guess I figure if you could draft another quarterback
Speaker 5: with him.
Speaker 1: That's Was there anything more predictable than Anthony Richardson being
Speaker 1: named starter as soon as humanly possible?
Speaker 2: Again, now, it seems that the.
Speaker 1: Fingerprints from ownership are all over this, to the point
Speaker 1: where the headline on ESPN dot Com is like Richardson
Speaker 1: shock to be named starting quarterback. It's like they we
Speaker 1: didn't need to go down that route. We're gonna focus
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks here with roto Pat. I famously am in
Speaker 1: a two quarterback league, as you know, Pat, and so
Speaker 1: quarterbacks win leagues for us, We'll have multiple quarterbacks coming
Speaker 1: off the board in the first round in our league.
Speaker 2: It's not like that obviously in the majority of leagues.
Speaker 1: You brought up Lamar Jackson, he's going top five in
Speaker 1: the quarterback game.
Speaker 2: Still, where are you at with him?
Speaker 1: Are you buying in on all the talk? You know,
Speaker 1: he's freshly paid, he's got more weapons. Are we gonna
Speaker 1: get get MVP level? Lamar back is do you feel
Speaker 1: safe making that pick in twenty twenty three?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 10: And you know, some of it is kind of narrative based,
Speaker 10: like as.
Speaker 9: You mentioned with the contract, he finally paid, like as
Speaker 9: if that magically changes everything. But it did seem like,
Speaker 9: and I'm not saying this at all is a judgment
Speaker 9: on the player. It seemed like last year, if he
Speaker 9: had been paid, he probably maybe could have come back
Speaker 9: for the final game or two of the season. That
Speaker 9: is pure speculation. It was the albatross hanging over the
Speaker 9: entire franchise. It's finally gone. The other thing, of course,
Speaker 9: was Greg Roman's offense, which the players were basically openly
Speaker 9: disdainful of.
Speaker 10: By the end.
Speaker 9: I mean, Lamar talked about opposing defenses like literally calling
Speaker 9: out the plays just seemed like something that needed to
Speaker 9: be refreshed in fantasy. We wanted it to be something
Speaker 9: refreshed with something more pass heavy, because in fantasy, it's like,
Speaker 9: even if the Ravens become a more passing oriented offense,
Speaker 9: it's not like.
Speaker 10: The running's ever gonna go away. For Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 9: It's not like his signature attribute it's suddenly just going
Speaker 9: to disappear. He's going to scramble, there's going to be
Speaker 9: design runs, there's going to be like game breaking plays,
Speaker 9: and it's finally pairing that with something not only more
Speaker 9: passing oriented, but something passing oriented.
Speaker 10: With actual receivers. Last year, I looked.
Speaker 9: Up with Lamar his final full game, his receiver trio
Speaker 9: was Deshaun Jackson, Devin Duverne, and Tamarcus Robinson.
Speaker 10: Just a very very hard.
Speaker 9: Way to make a living and real life and in
Speaker 9: fantasy football kind of does everything has changed.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rush back either that with that trio.
Speaker 9: No, no, And it's it's some of its narrative base,
Speaker 9: but it's a narrative that makes sense. And I do
Speaker 9: think we are finally getting like a return to glorya
Speaker 9: Lamar Jackson Season four years after he won the MVP.
Speaker 3: I for people that are maybe newer to Fantasy, I
Speaker 3: think you know, when I was young, I always wanted
Speaker 3: to go quarterback early because it's like it's all you know,
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are your heroes and all this stuff. It throws
Speaker 3: me a little bit with the way that you have
Speaker 3: some of these duelst guys like Ramandre Stevenson right now
Speaker 3: has a higher ADP than Jalen Hurts, Kyle Pitts over
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. Then you've got like t J. Hawkinson over
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Like what is your when you're drafting your teams,
Speaker 3: Like how do you where are you with the whole
Speaker 3: quarterback things? I know it's like, oh, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: take them late, which I just more like I want
Speaker 3: to take a great quarterback early and feel like he's
Speaker 3: going to be the centerpiece of this whole thing.
Speaker 1: That's why I should have two QB leagues because QB's
Speaker 1: run the NFL. Why would you have fantasy not have
Speaker 1: them have the value that they deserve.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll shut up.
Speaker 10: No, it's an extremely good rant. And yeah, near like
Speaker 10: the end.
Speaker 9: Of like the Brady Breeze Roethlisberger, like Philip Rivers era.
Speaker 9: It had become like comical where it's the most important
Speaker 9: position in global sports and like, yeah, I'm not even
Speaker 9: going to draft a quarterback. You know, I'll wait till September.
Speaker 9: Third oh, I had Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 10: On the waiver wire.
Speaker 9: Like it became like, you know, like a staring contest
Speaker 9: basically who could be like the hardest drafter in the
Speaker 9: league and never taking a quarterback?
Speaker 5: But the dual threats exactly yeah, wait sure he just
Speaker 5: left his quarterback spot.
Speaker 9: Blankell season went oh and thirteen, but I really admire
Speaker 9: his character. But the like this crop of dual threats
Speaker 9: and finally, like the turnover of talent at the time,
Speaker 9: like this, the infusion of young pocket passing talent and
Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes Joe Burrow, it really like reinvigorated the quarterback position.
Speaker 9: It's a savvier drafting public now, so it's harder to
Speaker 9: get late on quarterback. It used to be like you
Speaker 9: could just get like someone like the next Jalen Hurts
Speaker 9: like the thir eleventh round. People have gotten why is that?
Speaker 9: And it still doesn't match their real life value. But
Speaker 9: quarterback values ADPs have really crept up the past two years,
Speaker 9: where it was like the fifth or sixth round you
Speaker 9: could wait for Patrick Mahomes a few years ago. Now
Speaker 9: it's sometimes it's the second, usually like the third or
Speaker 9: the fourth, and I am taking quarterbacks earlier, especially even
Speaker 9: like these industry leagues where you really risk like mockery,
Speaker 9: but it helps so much to have that high baseline
Speaker 9: of points and it's just become harder to stream quarterbacks
Speaker 9: because everyone is so much savvier. So and it's an
Speaker 9: advantage like not have to worry about streaming every week
Speaker 9: and using or even using like a few fab dollars
Speaker 9: on a quarterback. So quarterback bottomed out, it's rising again.
Speaker 9: It's never gonna be like first or second round quarterback,
Speaker 9: but it's much more now like third or fourth round
Speaker 9: instead of fifth.
Speaker 5: Or Yeah, it really I think the game changed, like five,
Speaker 5: five or six guys, seven guys are going in the
Speaker 5: first five rounds, like you can't wait as long. But
Speaker 5: I do think there's something too, you know, Alan hurts
Speaker 5: Lamar specifically, and if you like Fields and Richardson would
Speaker 5: be a lower tier of this that like I feel
Speaker 5: like I'm fine reaching early for those guys, and then
Speaker 5: you do feel like a comfort maybe don't wait forever,
Speaker 5: but like if you do have a Goth or a
Speaker 5: Stafford or a Gino, like you just get your steady
Speaker 5: guy later. And that's where the real life value doesn't
Speaker 5: match up with fantasy and it's like you compare those
Speaker 5: two together, then it's kind of like we talked about
Speaker 5: with Marcus and Florida earlier with not worrying about Alvin
Speaker 5: Kamara missing three games, Like if Lamar Jackson misses half
Speaker 5: the season, but he's full Lamar Jackson QB one for
Speaker 5: the half that you get him, that's actually a ton
Speaker 5: of value because if you're confident in being able to
Speaker 5: fill that gap with some other guy, with Derek Carror
Speaker 5: whatever the rest of the time.
Speaker 9: Now I have the top one or two tiers I
Speaker 9: feel like are more separated than they are at some
Speaker 9: point in like fantasy history. So there is like a
Speaker 9: big difference between like the top six or seven quarterbacks.
Speaker 9: But that being said, it's still like it still goes
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two deep, right.
Speaker 5: Like Rock He's just going thirteenth a quarterback to us
Speaker 5: going eleventh, I mean Dak like.
Speaker 9: Russell Wilson's like going like QB twenty depending on where
Speaker 9: you're playing, like who could be a pretty obvious bounce back,
Speaker 9: but the better, the better supporting cast than Sean Payton.
Speaker 9: So I think the high like the top one or
Speaker 9: two tiers, there's a bigger separation than there is sometimes,
Speaker 9: but it's still the deepest position in fantasy. And if
Speaker 9: you don't want to use that earlier on Capitol, you're
Speaker 9: gonna be able to stream. It's a little more work,
Speaker 9: but you're still gonna be able to.
Speaker 2: Do wear are you on?
Speaker 3: Like what would be your approach be to Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 3: Do you look at the overall career or do you
Speaker 3: look like the disaster from last season?
Speaker 2: Do you just stay away entirely?
Speaker 4: It is weird.
Speaker 9: I mean some of like these guys, even when they're
Speaker 9: still like prime age where it's still twenty seven to
Speaker 9: twenty eight, missing a season does something strange to an athlete.
Speaker 9: But I'm still I'm viewing it basically as this is
Speaker 9: the real follow up to his twenty two twenty where
Speaker 9: the last time we saw Deshaun Watson play full football
Speaker 9: season he played in an MVP level. The supporting cast
Speaker 9: didn't get like infinitely better, but it got better like
Speaker 9: he has another deep threat and Cedric Tillman. They have
Speaker 9: another underneath guy and Elijah Moore. Who knows if Elijah
Speaker 9: Moore is actually good? In fact, with Elijah Moore, I
Speaker 9: heard like I heard, something's fun is good, Like, oh,
Speaker 9: they're getting him on like jet sweeps and screens like
Speaker 9: when I heard this, Oh wow, it means they don't
Speaker 9: know how to get him the ball. That seems bad,
Speaker 9: but it is a deeper supporting cast. They're not gonna
Speaker 9: have to remake the offense on the fly like they
Speaker 9: did last year when he returned. And it does seem
Speaker 9: like we're probably going to get something much closer to
Speaker 9: twenty twenty Deshaun Watson than we did to twenty twenty
Speaker 9: two Deshaun Watts.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because you talked about in
Speaker 1: these names that popped up ready pocket passers. You know,
Speaker 1: guys like Cousins Rogers at this point, although he does
Speaker 1: have mobility, but he's older, Derek Carr, same type of situation.
Speaker 2: Stafford.
Speaker 1: Certainly, these are guys that, if they're healthy, you could
Speaker 1: kind of lock him in to give you nice production.
Speaker 1: But does it make more sense too if you're gonna
Speaker 1: wait that long for those type of guys to go.
Speaker 1: Pick Daniel Jones instead with the old life hack that
Speaker 1: you're getting the rushing even if the upside is a
Speaker 1: passer is least where do you come down to that
Speaker 1: you take in a locked and loaded pocket guy or
Speaker 1: a more rangey type player who might not be as good.
Speaker 9: Probably go for the rangey at least the first because
Speaker 9: the pocket guy is always going to be there on
Speaker 9: the waiver wire. And like you mentioned Daniel Jones, who
Speaker 9: had a career year and still did not get in
Speaker 9: the top twelve at quarterback last year, you could go
Speaker 9: like much crazier and like the crazy guy this year
Speaker 9: is Sam Howell and likes he especially named the starter
Speaker 9: I can't even remember, but.
Speaker 4: Not official official, but basically the.
Speaker 9: Guy with some running juice, the guy who has two
Speaker 9: really good young receivers.
Speaker 10: Pretty good overall.
Speaker 9: So I mean, I'm just saying to Greg, maybe one
Speaker 9: of your frustrations is fantasy.
Speaker 10: It doesn't matter if you're good in real life.
Speaker 4: I have a difference, no frustration.
Speaker 5: I think I think you're I think that's a great
Speaker 5: late QB two if you don't want to bother to
Speaker 5: take your second quarterback until the very end. If you're
Speaker 5: in a one quarterback league. Howell was chucking people in college.
Speaker 5: I think he can throw the ball a little bit.
Speaker 5: Like to me, he's a perfect late guy. It's funny
Speaker 5: how little respect Daniel Jones gets. I mean I looked
Speaker 5: at it.
Speaker 10: I will quote never respect right.
Speaker 5: I looked at his QBR like QBR over the decades,
Speaker 5: and Daniel Jones's QBR rushing value, which was about the
Speaker 5: same as Alan and Hurts last year, was comparable to
Speaker 5: like Michael Vick's best seasons as a runner.
Speaker 4: Like, that's the level of production you were getting.
Speaker 5: So if you get anything out of him passing and
Speaker 5: you didn't get much last year, uh, that's.
Speaker 4: Actually not a maybe a bad value.
Speaker 5: Play either, And if something is maybe repeat who though,
Speaker 5: who's your favorite of all these guys, who are your
Speaker 5: favorite QB targets?
Speaker 9: The guy I'm ending up with the most again and
Speaker 9: guaranteeing I will be hurt again is justin Herbert. Because
Speaker 9: everyone knows real football fantasy, you don't hit your wag
Speaker 9: into the Chargers because every year they will have the
Speaker 9: best roster in the NFL. They don't have the best
Speaker 9: roster in the f they have a good roster. Everything
Speaker 9: every dot connects for Justin Herbert, who threw for forty
Speaker 9: seven hundred yards last year, even though he was like
Speaker 9: on the Drew Berees rib plan like every week though
Speaker 9: they actually had six cracked ribs for Justin Herbert, not
Speaker 9: too and it.
Speaker 10: Was one of those things were seeing like the number
Speaker 10: got bigger every week.
Speaker 4: But he Drew Brees thing. I remember that a couple It.
Speaker 1: Gets the point where he had more cracked ribs than
Speaker 1: any humans.
Speaker 3: Everything available, Yeah, but the Charge.
Speaker 10: They swapped out Joe Lombardi for Kellen Moore.
Speaker 9: They added another first round receiver in Quentin Johnson, who
Speaker 9: some people think will be a bust.
Speaker 2: Uh. I mean the.
Speaker 9: Chargers of Lucy with the football, but I mean he
Speaker 9: was already almost knocking on the Mahomes tier two years
Speaker 9: ago and he still was like halfway there, even playing
Speaker 9: hurt all your last season. Kellen Moore has been so
Speaker 9: good for fantasy. Joe Lombardy was so bad for We
Speaker 9: just hope with Justin Herbert that it really was the
Speaker 9: coordinating that was conservative and not the player who was conservative,
Speaker 9: and that Justin Herbert is ready to be more aggressive
Speaker 9: and throw deep, but it seems like every dock connects
Speaker 9: for Justin Herbert to really kind of like rejoin that
Speaker 9: elite tier this year.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you quickly about another rookie, Bryce Young.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing.
Speaker 3: I get these aren't these aren't sexy names, but he
Speaker 3: is adped above. Can you Pickett rock Party? I mean,
Speaker 3: can I like Rock Party? Jimmy g Like, I get
Speaker 3: these are not guys who are gonna go after early,
Speaker 3: but I mean what we've seen from the Panthers so far,
Speaker 3: their offensive line and everything else, Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm drafting Bryce Young necessarily high at all.
Speaker 9: No, And I did an article. You could question the
Speaker 9: worth of this article. I ranked all thirty two of
Speaker 9: like the offensive environments, because a good tiebreaker if you
Speaker 9: can't decide between like player A or player B, like
Speaker 9: I don't know any difference between these players, is the
Speaker 9: overall offensive environment. I did rank the Panthers thirty two because,
Speaker 9: like you said, there's the lying questions. There's some interesting
Speaker 9: people in the receiver corps, but I mean, this is
Speaker 9: like a really like on the fly receiver corps, and
Speaker 9: this kind of just seems like a wait till next year.
Speaker 9: Skill group, and they're gonna do the tough thing where
Speaker 9: they're gonna put the number one overall pick into like
Speaker 9: a really bad environment and just hope it doesn't kill
Speaker 9: his career.
Speaker 10: But it might not be that bad.
Speaker 9: But the Panthers, when I think of like fantasy points,
Speaker 9: I do view the Panthers as like a dead last
Speaker 9: unit in the entire NFL and such Bryce Young is
Speaker 9: not on any of my draft.
Speaker 1: Last thing for you, sir, and thank you again, and
Speaker 1: check out roto pat Over on NBC Sports. Herbert's kind
Speaker 1: of your guy. You keep coming back to him and drafts.
Speaker 1: Who's like, you're not on my team guy, Like doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what the draft circumstances are. Every draft's different, Like
Speaker 1: you end up never drafting this guy. Is it Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones based on these comments? Or is another quarterback that
Speaker 1: you just don't want anything to do with even though
Speaker 1: some people or maybe higher on the player.
Speaker 10: There's no one, truly.
Speaker 9: I am kind of a classic, like the ADP's right,
Speaker 9: I'll be honest, like the it's weird, it's the real
Speaker 9: life stuff makes it a little hard to draft Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 10: But no, I mean justin.
Speaker 2: Fields, the RLS real life stuff makes it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, justin Yeah, you don't have to draft
Speaker 5: creeps on your fantasy team.
Speaker 4: You absolutely can make decisions about that.
Speaker 2: It's it's fine, you said it.
Speaker 10: No mean, I'm not drafting Josh Allen a lot, I'll
Speaker 10: say where I do. I wonder.
Speaker 9: I feel like we're getting like this board with Bills hype,
Speaker 9: and that's leading them to be undervalued. Yeah, and like
Speaker 9: the real NFL and fantasy, but I do sort of
Speaker 9: feel like maybe the Allen thing has already peaked and
Speaker 9: that they're gonna get serious about trying to protect him
Speaker 9: more this year, which good for him in real life,
Speaker 9: not good in fantasy.
Speaker 5: Well, he didn't run nearly as much people kind of
Speaker 5: forget in his second and third seasons he was more
Speaker 5: around four to five hundred yards, and then the last
Speaker 5: two seasons actually cranked way back up where he was,
Speaker 5: you know, incredibly effective rusher, and it sounds like they're
Speaker 5: gonna maybe dial it back. You're right, but he does
Speaker 5: throw for thirty five touchdowns every year, and a tonny.
Speaker 9: The Bills have like an offensive identity crisis, I feel like,
Speaker 9: and they have like an unsettled skill course still where
Speaker 9: it's like, is Dalton k and Kaid like the number
Speaker 9: two passing game weapon that seems like maybe not a
Speaker 9: good situation, like if he's your number two and it's.
Speaker 10: Either him or Gabe Davis.
Speaker 9: But I just like since that identity crisis from the
Speaker 9: bills down the stretch last year, and I don't really
Speaker 9: know what they've done to fix it, Like the backfield
Speaker 9: didn't get markedly better, the skill corps did not get
Speaker 9: markedly better. And it just all comes down to like
Speaker 9: Josh Allen like Man of Steel, and that works until
Speaker 9: it doesn't. And I am worried that they're going to
Speaker 9: finally start dialing that back against like Greg said, they
Speaker 9: kicked it up to I would argue unsustainable levels the
Speaker 9: past two years.
Speaker 1: Roto Pat, you've said it all. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1: I look forward to reading you throughout the upcoming campaign.
Speaker 2: Stay healthy, kid, I look.
Speaker 10: Forward to listening. Thank you so much for having.
Speaker 4: Me gave me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that guy, great writer like that. I'm glad
Speaker 3: he remembered that comment. Who said it or me right?
Speaker 3: I've always enjoyed his writing. I enjoy any writing that
Speaker 3: has a little humor to it. He that just drops
Speaker 3: those little singers in that you just don't read often,
Speaker 3: especially in this world.
Speaker 5: Great tweeter, I mean, especially what other world would you
Speaker 5: be re in my like fantasy?
Speaker 3: Oh all, it could be a very dry literally earth like.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of writing happening elsewhere as far
Speaker 3: as we know.
Speaker 2: How do you know?
Speaker 3: Bo Greg certainly doesn't believe there is. I think there
Speaker 3: could be.
Speaker 1: It came up with Tucker Kama Ross on Monday, and
Speaker 1: it just came up again, and in general, Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: is just an interesting conversation as we are now hitting
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty three season. We talked about twenty twenty
Speaker 1: what he was, How did he this is what Ross
Speaker 1: made the point, how did he perform like a superstar
Speaker 1: with a terrible Texans team that lost twelve games? And
Speaker 1: I just pulled up the depth chart because we know
Speaker 1: the Browns have I think a pretty solid Cores wide receiver,
Speaker 1: maybe a little iffy, but obviously the offensive line is sturdy.
Speaker 1: The running back I think is the best pure runner
Speaker 1: in the sport.
Speaker 2: Here is the Texans.
Speaker 1: The last game of the season twenty twenty, Brandon Cooks
Speaker 1: Kiki Kute forgot about him.
Speaker 4: He's got cut.
Speaker 1: Actually, Darren Fells at tight end. David Johnson was still
Speaker 1: there at running back with Duke Johnson backing him up.
Speaker 1: That's a mess you had learning Mee Tunsel the anchor
Speaker 1: at left tackle, a young tunsl the Brown setup is
Speaker 1: better and we'll see.
Speaker 2: But he's right too.
Speaker 1: I thought Rhodopet made the point like sometimes these guys
Speaker 1: disappear and the magic is just gone. So and then
Speaker 1: to the Greg of it all, like do you want
Speaker 1: to creep on your team? I, you know, if it
Speaker 1: puts money in my pocket?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like when I I'm sorry to be
Speaker 2: have no scruples, Greg, No.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't mean that.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing as like if you're a Jets fan,
Speaker 5: maybe you want you don't want Patriots on your fantasy team,
Speaker 5: or maybe you don't care about I don't think one
Speaker 5: way or is wrong or the other. But if you're
Speaker 5: like me and you just want guys that you want
Speaker 5: to root for, and for instance, you don't like the Jets,
Speaker 5: you don't feel like drafted him like you don't have to,
Speaker 5: it's all like most of it is.
Speaker 1: Well, you're a smart man, Greg, you right to use
Speaker 1: like personal biases, And I know Watson's a whole other category,
Speaker 1: but that's the way.
Speaker 5: It's such a small person, you're narrowing your but like
Speaker 5: by like an infinitesimal amount, Like what would really take
Speaker 5: to like if you have five or six players in
Speaker 5: the league that you just I have a million of
Speaker 5: those biases where you just kind of like some players
Speaker 5: more than the others, and you take guys that you
Speaker 5: like because it's not gonna be any or less.
Speaker 3: At The one annoying thing about fantasy is when I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there watching twelve games at once and I'm rooting
Speaker 3: for six teams, I can't stand because of some guy attending.
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, Like, if you want to
Speaker 3: be cutthroat, you don't worry about any of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I feel like the roster has energy, and like
Speaker 3: there's a there's a player I don't like. It's giving
Speaker 3: me weird feelings about my own fantasy team. It's my fantasy,
Speaker 3: it's my fantasy point I have, regardless on whether he's
Speaker 3: on your team or not. I guess I was part
Speaker 3: of my point too.
Speaker 1: Like, so it's like if Watson, for instance, has a
Speaker 1: big it might be annoying to you that he has
Speaker 1: a big year, But it's not gonna change either way
Speaker 1: whether or not he's on your team.
Speaker 5: I mean, my point is, like the idea of being
Speaker 5: cutthroat or not, or like trying to remove all biases,
Speaker 5: it's not gonna change your chances of winning your league
Speaker 5: or not much either way. We all have a million
Speaker 5: different biases that go into all of these sorts of decisions.
Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, fantasy football, and this is
Speaker 5: why I like it on some level, is almost mostly lucky.
Speaker 4: It's mostly luck.
Speaker 5: The most important thing that goes into fantasy by far
Speaker 5: is luck, and you're trying to work on the other
Speaker 5: thirty percent twenty percent that's not luck. And just have
Speaker 5: fun doing it. It's it's a fun activity. But you
Speaker 5: don't have to put you know, you don't have to
Speaker 5: go too crazy. If you don't like Deshaun Watson bury him.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm with you. I just you.
Speaker 1: You're an analytical mind, Greg and you don't believe in momentum.
Speaker 1: And now you're saying you could eliminate all these different
Speaker 1: players just because you don't like them. It does slightly
Speaker 1: affect your chances over someone that has a completely broad
Speaker 1: view of who's the best of all.
Speaker 5: Bet I guess, and I'm thinking of Wes two when
Speaker 5: we do this episode. Like the way we looked at
Speaker 5: Fantasy was taking guys with huge ceilings, guys you wanted,
Speaker 5: and in the end, like I guess, we were a
Speaker 5: little different than Pat who says that the right ADP
Speaker 5: had take almost anyone. There probably was a group of
Speaker 5: like fifty players that those who were gonna be my list.
Speaker 5: It's kind of how the Patriots do NFL drafts. Like
Speaker 5: I have guys I truly believe are going to be
Speaker 5: good this year. I'm basically gonna take those players and
Speaker 5: there's probably only about like thirty thirty five of them,
Speaker 5: and that that's fine. So you're eliminating a million players,
Speaker 5: but you're counting on kind of your evaluation.
Speaker 4: That's how the Patriots run their drafts.
Speaker 5: And maybe maybe it's not the small A little Bill
Speaker 5: Belichick over here there you go, Yes, Bill wasn't against me.
Speaker 5: Take the guys, problematic guys, I Antonio Brown, take the
Speaker 5: guys you like is the point. Take the guys that
Speaker 5: you really believe.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it about Antonio Brown on our podcast,
Speaker 1: I will not forget that ever wild you guys were
Speaker 1: going at it, he would questioned your integrity with very
Speaker 1: it got personal.
Speaker 5: It's very upset that the Patriots who are bringing in
Speaker 5: I miss that man.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get on the boat. Let's go fishing,
Speaker 1: and you know what we're looking for. Uh okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show my lack of outdoorsman, because I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: we're looking for big game.
Speaker 3: But that's more if you're hunting, that would be a
Speaker 3: land based animal.
Speaker 1: Eric, do you know, like if you're looking for something
Speaker 1: in the sea that's like a big catch.
Speaker 2: Is there some type of esoteric terminology.
Speaker 4: Fishing the line fishing rod? I think they call it
Speaker 4: a catch.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's throw it out there, the nis lore.
Speaker 4: I'm not an outdoor as many of other guys.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I thought you might be.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm throwing it out there. Throw I got
Speaker 1: my line out. Oh I got a nibble. Mark me
Speaker 1: from behind by my hit.
Speaker 2: Yes I will.
Speaker 3: I'm rusting against me and then pull back. I'm latching
Speaker 3: onto you.
Speaker 2: Thrust again. Oh it happening. Rust pull, I got a
Speaker 2: big one on the line. Get him in the boat.
Speaker 1: It's heaven Silva, former brick by brickman at Rotal World
Speaker 1: and now doing his thing with his fancy man established
Speaker 1: the run background.
Speaker 2: Evan Silva, the big Fish. What's up, buddy, Welcome back.
Speaker 7: I'm doing really well. How are you guys? Doing?
Speaker 2: Very good but great? There?
Speaker 5: I like Beard, you look summer, Evan, this is this
Speaker 5: is Silva time of year.
Speaker 4: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Failed this season.
Speaker 5: It's busy during the season, but I feel like mid
Speaker 5: August to late August is when, uh, this is when Silva,
Speaker 5: you know, pays for all those Taylor Swift tickets for
Speaker 5: his daughter, which, by the.
Speaker 7: Way, life changer. I used to listening to like rap
Speaker 7: and like Creden's Clearwater Revival, and now I don't even
Speaker 7: listen to that stuff anymore. It's all t.
Speaker 1: Swift, Silva. Because I was at the Swift concert in LA.
Speaker 1: You're there, and because you're a man's man, you're a
Speaker 1: burly guy. Like are you letting yourself go and letting
Speaker 1: the music wash over you? Are you more like dad
Speaker 1: mode just letting it repel off you while you check
Speaker 1: your phone.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's definitely a sense of you know, it's
Speaker 7: awesome because my daughter loves it and she knows all
Speaker 7: the words, and you know it's it's a way for
Speaker 7: us to connect. But I mean, I genuinely like Taylor
Speaker 7: Swift's music at this point.
Speaker 2: So good for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now we have Evan on as we do every year,
Speaker 1: the Big Fish to talk about sleepers and busts, and
Speaker 1: this is I think this is one of the things
Speaker 1: that really define the real fantasy head, the guy that
Speaker 1: can nail these year after year, get us going with
Speaker 1: one of your favorite sleepers right now in fantasy drafts
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7: And this is perfect timing because I literally just released
Speaker 7: my Sleepers and bust article on establisherun dot com, Boom
Speaker 7: and the last Night and it just got published.
Speaker 5: So I'll go subscribe people. This is him and Adam
Speaker 5: Levittaian two of the best yep at.
Speaker 7: Established a run on Twitter, established the Run dot com
Speaker 7: on the Internet, first sleeper tank bigsby camp I mean
Speaker 7: rave reviews. He already got a snapped with the first
Speaker 7: team offense in the Jaguars preseason opener. The Jaguars were
Speaker 7: not pleased with Travis etn in short yardage and goal
Speaker 7: line situations last year. He's one of the least efficient
Speaker 7: runners in scoring position in the league. Tank Bigsby was
Speaker 7: really good in short yardage in goal line. Travis Etn
Speaker 7: also has been a little bit of a disappointment in
Speaker 7: the passing game. As a receiver. Tank Bigsby caught fifty
Speaker 7: one passes over his final two seasons at Auburn. I
Speaker 7: think he's gonna play a lot right away. I bet
Speaker 7: him at seventy five to one to win Offensive Rookie
Speaker 7: of the Year.
Speaker 5: Now we're not allowed to do that as NFL employees,
Speaker 5: but you know we are sponsored. You know the company
Speaker 5: is at various times, so that that's a good one.
Speaker 4: I I love that because.
Speaker 5: Bigsby, Uh, sometimes you just assume that whatever role Etn
Speaker 5: had a year ago as a role that he's gonna
Speaker 5: have this year.
Speaker 4: It's like Bigsby's a third round pick.
Speaker 5: They like him, and his name is Tank and he
Speaker 5: actually looks like a tank versus Tank Dell, which is
Speaker 5: confusing that his name is Tank.
Speaker 1: Can I just here's what my pushback would be, or
Speaker 1: am I concern that maybe Tank is the new flavor
Speaker 1: in that room that the coaching staff likes. But atn
Speaker 1: who I do think has upset, but he's also a
Speaker 1: first round pick in twenty twenty one. I know Orba
Speaker 1: Meyer's history and all that, but like, are they gonna
Speaker 1: fade Etn enough this season where Tank's gonna get enough
Speaker 1: work to be a guy that you want in your
Speaker 1: lineup in the fantasy realm?
Speaker 7: That is the concern. I think Travis Etn is probably
Speaker 7: going to have a real solid season. It's just I
Speaker 7: think he's at risk of losing high value touch, high
Speaker 7: value touches to Tank Bigsbie. I mean, you want your
Speaker 7: running back scoring touchdowns and catching passes, and I think
Speaker 7: that there is some danger that Travis Etn faces. He
Speaker 7: risks losing a lot of that work to Tank. To
Speaker 7: Tank Bigsbie.
Speaker 2: Now Evan.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago on this you Know Annual episode,
Speaker 3: you and Greg got into it over Sam Darnold, a
Speaker 3: memorable verbal tussle and I and I kind of One
Speaker 3: thing I love about you is when you get on
Speaker 3: board with someone, it reminds me of West. There's an
Speaker 3: element of stubborn, like I'm not listening to anyone else,
Speaker 3: So who who's someone out there that maybe let's go
Speaker 3: negative a bust that you're like I can't believe that
Speaker 3: other people are this high on this player. What you
Speaker 3: see on tape, what Evan Silva observes does not agree.
Speaker 2: And hopefully Greg disagrees with Evan's take. Here we go.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm worried about Jonathan Taylor, Okay, just about the
Speaker 7: fallout with ownership. I think that they probably will end
Speaker 7: up patching that up before week one, but i think
Speaker 7: it's a concern that he's still having problems with his ankle,
Speaker 7: which he aggravated several He suffered a high ankle spraining.
Speaker 7: He really suffered multiple high ankle sprains last year. And
Speaker 7: I'm also worried about the complexion of the Indianapolis offense
Speaker 7: with you know, throwing Anthony Richardson into the fire. I
Speaker 7: think that Anthony Richardson is going to have some special moments.
Speaker 7: I also think that the offense as a unit could struggle.
Speaker 7: They have two gaping holes on their offensive line at
Speaker 7: left tackle and right guard, and in college, Anthony Richardson
Speaker 7: rarely targeted running backs. So I'm worried that the offense
Speaker 7: isn't going to be very good, or at least that
Speaker 7: there's gonna be a lot of ups and downs. And
Speaker 7: then Jonathan Taylor isn't going to catch passes, which really
Speaker 7: isn't something that he's ever done a lot of previously,
Speaker 7: even going back to Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: I wish I could push back and we could recreate that,
Speaker 5: but you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't force it.
Speaker 5: I'm actually glad you brought that up because when we
Speaker 5: talked with Marcus and Mike Florio earlier, Josh Jacobs and
Speaker 5: Taylor were brought up kind of in tandem as these
Speaker 5: two guys around late second round that they both have
Speaker 5: their issues, and to me, Jacobs is such a safer
Speaker 5: bet just because of what his role is going to be,
Speaker 5: the type of player he is, the receiver that he is,
Speaker 5: and my confidence that he'll be back playing, whereas Taylor,
Speaker 5: to me, is very risky. It's interesting to me Remandre,
Speaker 5: Jacobs and Taylor are going around the same spot, and
Speaker 5: to me, I would love to have some Remandre. I'd
Speaker 5: love to have some Jacobs I'd be fine with, and Taylor,
Speaker 5: I'm with you, I would stay away. You know who's
Speaker 5: right above them.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 5: I feel like we got to do this every year
Speaker 5: because you are the big fish and you love to
Speaker 5: talk about the big dog, and I do want to
Speaker 5: hear your other sleeper more sleepers than bus. But I
Speaker 5: am just curious where are you at with the big
Speaker 5: dog Dereck Henry, because he's still getting taken like he's
Speaker 5: the big dog Derrick Henry, I know, and I'm.
Speaker 7: Real worried about him. I mean he's starting I mean
Speaker 7: the mileage is really getting up there. He's twenty nine.
Speaker 7: Now you go back to Alabama. This dude had massive
Speaker 7: workloads in college and now he's, what you know, seven
Speaker 7: eight years into his NFL career, He's getting older. I'm
Speaker 7: really worried about the Titans offensive line. I mean our
Speaker 7: offensive line analyst Brandon Thorn ranked him is the worst
Speaker 7: offensive line in the league. And then they lost Jamarco Jones,
Speaker 7: who they were planning on potentially being a starting guard.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 7: So, and Derrick Henry has never caught a ton of passes,
Speaker 7: So I'm worried about him. I would have him on
Speaker 7: a bus list.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Two things.
Speaker 1: We had Ross Tucker talking offensive line earlier this week.
Speaker 1: He had them at number thirty two and of his
Speaker 1: offensive line rankings. And Treylon Burks got carted off the
Speaker 1: field at Titans joint practice today and Titans practice and
Speaker 1: We don't know what his situation is. That would not
Speaker 1: make the passing game any more scary if you took
Speaker 1: out that second year player.
Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot to be nervous about.
Speaker 5: Give us some other positives you got, you got some
Speaker 5: more sleepers.
Speaker 7: Maybe, maybe, Yeah, we can talk about Marvin Mims. You know,
Speaker 7: j Hamler is out in definitely, Tim Patrick is out
Speaker 7: for the season. I think Marvin Mims is gonna be
Speaker 7: a lock for three receiver sets playing opposite Courtland Sutton
Speaker 7: with Jerry Judy in the slot. Marvin Mims, I think,
Speaker 7: is a player that Sean Payton very much envisioned, like
Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks, who he drafted in the first round with
Speaker 7: the Saints back in twenty fourteen. Marvin Mims can really
Speaker 7: really run. He averaged almost twenty yards per catch during
Speaker 7: his college career. And Russell Wilson, I think, can still
Speaker 7: throw the deep ball. So I think Marvin Mims is
Speaker 7: gonna be a He's gonna have a chance to be
Speaker 7: a third receiver in fantasy.
Speaker 1: Tight end feels especially dicey right now in the fantasy realm.
Speaker 1: We know Kelsey's locked and loaded Andrews and then it
Speaker 1: gets a little weird. I mean, you got t J.
Speaker 1: Hockinson is going high in drafts. George Kittle. We love
Speaker 1: George Kittle, but is he a fantasy guy you can
Speaker 1: count on. Waller's had injury issues the last two years.
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, So we talked about a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: like what he's I feel like there are a lot
Speaker 1: of cases to be made for You have the rookie
Speaker 1: class that came in some interesting names, Sleepers and bus alike,
Speaker 1: Like who do you like who do you not like
Speaker 1: in that group?
Speaker 7: I think that if we're talking about the rookies this year,
Speaker 7: Luke Mutsgrave and Sam Laporta are going to be every
Speaker 7: down players right away. It's hard for rookie tight ends
Speaker 7: to make immediate impacts. I mean this is you know
Speaker 7: historically it's difficult because a tight end has to learn
Speaker 7: to be not just a tight end but also a
Speaker 7: receiver and also an offensive lineman because they got to
Speaker 7: be able to block to stay on the field. I
Speaker 7: think that Luke Musgrave, though, it's really interesting. In the
Speaker 7: first preseason game he played twelve of twelve first team
Speaker 7: snaps with Jordan Love, So I mean that they are
Speaker 7: fastbacking him. I also think that cade Aughton in Tampa Bay,
Speaker 7: if you're playing in like a deeper low give forty
Speaker 7: two catches as a rookie last year, and I think
Speaker 7: that he has a chance to be an every down
Speaker 7: player as well.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you more of a Phillis sophical question,
Speaker 3: because there are definitely fantasy people out there that, yeah,
Speaker 3: they'll watch the games on Sunday and there's eighteen televisions
Speaker 3: and stuff, but that's the end of the film watching.
Speaker 3: I know that you are a dogged film watcher, and
Speaker 3: a lot of sleepers and bus we don't even know
Speaker 3: about them today, like six seven, eight weeks into the season,
Speaker 3: the complexion has changed and guys are coming up out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and your draft is in tatters and you're
Speaker 3: searching the waiver wire. Like, what do you have to
Speaker 3: say about how much film people should be watching to
Speaker 3: actually know if you want to win these leagues versus
Speaker 3: being a casual.
Speaker 7: I would say that it's helpful to watch football. I
Speaker 7: would say that from a fantasy football standpoint, watching film
Speaker 7: can actually send you in the wrong direction at times,
Speaker 7: because you just get infatuated with a player's explosiveness or
Speaker 7: you know, if a guy looks good and you know,
Speaker 7: then you can you can become infatuated with that. What
Speaker 7: we really want in fantasy football, though, is to determine
Speaker 7: which players are going to get the most opportunities, and
Speaker 7: we want to kind of dig into the coach's minds
Speaker 7: and not just look at all, this player looks electrifying.
Speaker 7: You remember Amir Abdullah, Yeah, when he ripped off that
Speaker 7: monster run in the preseason and his ADP went from
Speaker 7: like the eighth round to like the third round. You know,
Speaker 7: it's that kind of a play that can stick in
Speaker 7: your mind and influence you to overrate a guy when
Speaker 7: a mere Abdullah had fumbling problems, you know, he had
Speaker 7: he couldn't really pass protect early in his career and
Speaker 7: he wound up being a bust.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It's it's kind of the the yeah in the end,
Speaker 5: because one of the things is that I believed in too,
Speaker 5: is like you still want to bet on good players
Speaker 5: once you're confident. Like we had mentioned the Bucks receivers
Speaker 5: this year not as good a situation, but there's still
Speaker 5: really good players Like to me, there could be value there.
Speaker 5: I mentioned Damian Pierce as a guy like to me,
Speaker 5: I feel confident he's a really good player. And I
Speaker 5: think this is situation will be good enough. Who is
Speaker 5: someone though that's a bust for you this year that
Speaker 5: maybe it is a good player. Maybe it's not like
Speaker 5: a big name, a big name that is quietly a
Speaker 5: big established the run fan and he clicks that sleepers
Speaker 5: and bust list and he knows he's a big time
Speaker 5: fantasy guy and he sees his name and he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I can't believe. I can't believe the big dog, the
Speaker 5: big fist that did me like that?
Speaker 7: Well, Bryce Hall was to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and then each ecl and his meniscus on October twenty third,
Speaker 7: and man, the signals coming from the Jets. You know,
Speaker 7: they were connected to Jamir Gibbs, they were connected to
Speaker 7: Jamal Williams. They wound up signing Dalvin Cook to a
Speaker 7: deal that was I mean, that's starter money in the NFL.
Speaker 7: And it makes me wonder if Aaron Rodgers was like,
Speaker 7: if he's the one pulling the strings there, because remember
Speaker 7: he took that pay cut, and he like, look, I
Speaker 7: want Dalvin in the backfield with me. I think then
Speaker 7: brief fall will be a factor in the second half
Speaker 7: of the season. Absolutely, as they ramp him up and
Speaker 7: as he gets further removed from that injury. But I'm
Speaker 7: worried that he's not going to be startable early in
Speaker 7: the season. And for a guy who's been going in
Speaker 7: the third in the fourth round, you want those guys
Speaker 7: to be starterable right off the bat. So, yeah, there's
Speaker 7: a lot of red flags on brief fall right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a Jets fin, I want to go
Speaker 1: up and get him high, but I would much rather
Speaker 1: let someone else take a swing on him early and
Speaker 1: if he fell and people really down, then maybe I
Speaker 1: grab him and stash him for a bit.
Speaker 2: I'm with you real quick. Just cycling back to tight ends.
Speaker 1: You mentioned some of those rookies because this is the
Speaker 1: position group that gives me a lot of stress, as
Speaker 1: I had Kyle Pitts last year, for instance, and that
Speaker 1: just drove me mad. Who's the veteran of that group
Speaker 1: post Kelsey Andrews that you're feeling good about. Who's the
Speaker 1: guy that you might you're fading when you do your drafts.
Speaker 7: I have really not been getting very much Kyle Pitts
Speaker 7: because of the concerns about the passing volume. Is Desmond
Speaker 7: Ritter really any good?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: I mean, I feel like Kyle Pitts, look, he had
Speaker 7: over a thousand yards. Is a rookie tight end, all right,
Speaker 7: He's super talented. It's just are the targets going to
Speaker 7: be there for him at the end of the day.
Speaker 7: We just had Jimmy Kempski, longtime Eagles beat writer, on
Speaker 7: the Establisher Run podcast, and he was talking up Dallas
Speaker 7: Goddard and Dallas Goddard that he's just been He used
Speaker 7: the word uncoverable in training camp. Dallas Goddard has never
Speaker 7: scored more than four touchdowns in a season. I feel
Speaker 7: like he's the guy who could all of a sudden
Speaker 7: pop up and score like nine or eleven touchdowns in
Speaker 7: a high octane Eagles offense. So I'm starting to draft
Speaker 7: more of him.
Speaker 5: I think sometimes, you know, there's so much focus on
Speaker 5: the early parts of the draft and your wide receiver
Speaker 5: two and everything, and a lot of times it's won
Speaker 5: when with like the sixth or seventh receiver you take,
Speaker 5: you can just use as your third receiver way more
Speaker 5: consistently than you expect to go into the season.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna throw some names at you.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anywhere on your sleeper list, but
Speaker 5: just some interesting late receiver names.
Speaker 4: You tell me if you like anyone or don't like them.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Michael Thomas, Elijah Moore, Bateman sky Moore, and.
Speaker 4: Let's throw in obj.
Speaker 5: You just pick one or two out of those who
Speaker 5: stands out either as a good or a bad guy.
Speaker 7: Well, I was actually gonna bring up sky Moore because
Speaker 7: it looks like he is locked into two receiver sets
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 4: I like him low rookie.
Speaker 7: Season, but man, who's coming out of Western Michigan, and
Speaker 7: it's not uncommon for Andy Reid to slow play rookies.
Speaker 7: You know, think about the quarterback in Kansas City. I
Speaker 7: think I think sky Moore is gonna jump right into
Speaker 7: that Juju Smith Schuster role. Juju Smith Shooter had over
Speaker 7: nine hundred yards last year, and I think the sky Moore,
Speaker 7: there's a chance that sky Moore is like more talented
Speaker 7: than Juju Smith Schuster. We also have Matt Harmon on
Speaker 7: the show, famous for his reception perception on work on
Speaker 7: wide receivers, and he thought that what he saw out
Speaker 7: of sky Moore last year, you want to talk about
Speaker 7: a guy who watches all the tape. That's Matt Harmon.
Speaker 7: He thought that what sky Moore did, even in his
Speaker 7: minimal opportunities. He thinks that he's going to break out
Speaker 7: in his second season.
Speaker 3: Do you have when you're scanning the league and maybe
Speaker 3: this isn't for the star players, but teams that you
Speaker 3: won't touch if there's a certain environment or an offensive
Speaker 3: scheme that you don't like, where you just say nope,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna If it's all things being equal, I'm ignoring
Speaker 3: tm X.
Speaker 7: I can't believe that the Steelers brought back Matt Canada
Speaker 7: as their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: I mean, blame Canada the season.
Speaker 7: I just like took, you know, like a month off
Speaker 7: and like just slept and then when I woke up,
Speaker 7: I was like, Canada is still the Steelers offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: That's the worst case scenario. First tesler to ask that question.
Speaker 1: He's riding the Steelers hard this summer, so now he's noivose.
Speaker 2: Well we'll see, you know, well we will see.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: You don't want to get in Silva's crossairs if you're
Speaker 5: like a bad oc. Silva can get the fangs out sometimes,
Speaker 5: especially if it's late at night and the players, you know,
Speaker 5: he values them and he says they're.
Speaker 4: Good or not.
Speaker 5: But if there's like an oc in Silva's crossairs, he
Speaker 5: will put he will put them underground verbally on the
Speaker 5: written page. And Matt Canada sounds like that guy this year, like.
Speaker 4: It's trouble.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Last one for me. The Niners have all sorts of
Speaker 1: skill players. I'm kind of bringing up things that are
Speaker 1: bringing me stress. Uh deebo iyuk cmc kittle, any of
Speaker 1: those guys that kind of bust is strong, especially in
Speaker 1: that offense. But guys you're staying away from, or guys
Speaker 1: that you think Caul like's getting a lot of pop from,
Speaker 1: maybe finally becoming a number one.
Speaker 2: Like, where are you coming down? With these Niner skill players?
Speaker 7: I like them all. I mean, their offense is going
Speaker 7: to be really good again. The problem though, is that
Speaker 7: because there are so many dudes there that are really
Speaker 7: good at football, you're just you're gonna have to live
Speaker 7: with the ups and downs. They're gonna be boom or
Speaker 7: bust on a weekly basis. Debo's gonna have monster games
Speaker 7: and then he's gonna have games where it's four catches
Speaker 7: for thirty four yards. You know, George Kittle is famous
Speaker 7: for that. You know, like he's almost streaky, Like he'll
Speaker 7: have three games where it's like this is the best
Speaker 7: tight end in the NFL, and then he'll disappear for
Speaker 7: four weeks. So just at the end of the day, you
Speaker 7: just you have to kind of live with it, live
Speaker 7: with those ups and downs for that team. Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 7: will be consistent.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 5: Wait to me, though, Deebo is such an obvious I
Speaker 5: think by low guy just that's so one of the
Speaker 5: best ways to play fantasy is just like talented guys
Speaker 5: who have already established that they can have a high
Speaker 5: level of production, take them off a bad year period.
Speaker 5: If you just just just do that, you'll probably do
Speaker 5: pretty well. Because he was going and probably I don't remember,
Speaker 5: but rounds two or three last year and now five
Speaker 5: or six.
Speaker 4: It's pretty simple. Just take that guy.
Speaker 5: He and he also sounds like he kind of knows
Speaker 5: he blew it last year and is very much ready.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and now he looks like an absolute beast. I
Speaker 7: mean there have been videos all over the internet. I
Speaker 7: mean he's cut up this year, he's been boxing.
Speaker 5: He looks like a stud He would be on my
Speaker 5: list of guys that I would be trying to get
Speaker 5: in any big draft of me.
Speaker 3: Have you ever in your life you're a your last
Speaker 3: one for Evan, big dude, you know out in the
Speaker 3: in the the the taverns, in the bars of America.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been into a verbal or physical fight
Speaker 3: over fantasy football with someone?
Speaker 2: Great question, that's that's how you close it.
Speaker 7: No, No, not not not over fan football?
Speaker 5: How about about something I actually don't believe. I don't
Speaker 5: know if that that kind of looked like the guy
Speaker 5: that was lying. Silva, You've said it all. We thank
Speaker 5: you so much.
Speaker 1: Established the run follow Evan, uh doing great work over
Speaker 1: there since its inception what like five years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, look at Getting your Business.
Speaker 3: Off Right podcast. I listened to it every week.
Speaker 2: Thank you, big fish, Evan, Thank you all right? Two things? Uh?
Speaker 2: One about Evan? Wait?
Speaker 3: Did I do the thing though at the Combine press
Speaker 3: conference where it's one more question and I took it
Speaker 3: somewhere that's not going to add.
Speaker 5: That everybody just groaned for their feature. He's working on
Speaker 5: his own feature.
Speaker 2: I was curious.
Speaker 3: I actually want to know if you had some.
Speaker 1: Evan's the only one of the reasons I like Evan
Speaker 1: is like, it doesn't matter how ridiculous your intro is
Speaker 1: or anything you say to Evan, Like if we do
Speaker 1: a thirty seven second ramp up where I'm saying we're
Speaker 1: literally fishing for him and pulling them into a boat
Speaker 1: as Mark is behind grinding into my buttocks, He's not
Speaker 1: gonna smile. He's just like there is just he's a fish,
Speaker 1: Like he's just like staring back right at you, and
Speaker 1: it's unsettling. Finally, the the only other thing about Deebo
Speaker 1: Gregy and I'm with you, but and and kind of
Speaker 1: maybe circling back to the point is wrap things up here,
Speaker 1: like draft guys who you want? Draft guys you want
Speaker 1: with you? Debo I had a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and he was just unbelievable. But the one thing he
Speaker 1: got to deal with, Debo, if you're watching Niners games
Speaker 1: in real time, he's gonna have there's gonna be two
Speaker 1: moments in every game where it looks as if Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel just suffered not a season threatening injury, but a
Speaker 1: life threatening injury. You're so dead on the field and
Speaker 1: he's basically you're thinking, oh, here comes the cart, Here
Speaker 1: comes the towel over the head, He's his helmet's ripped off,
Speaker 1: he's screaming, he's on the sideline. You're screaming at Fox
Speaker 1: to give me another sideline shot.
Speaker 2: And I've never seen a man in more pain.
Speaker 1: It was like he just shot in the stomach with
Speaker 1: a shotgun and then he's back on the field in
Speaker 1: three where.
Speaker 3: Well, there's like a FIFA soccer element to his game.
Speaker 1: There's a mental there's a yes, there's a mental capacity.
Speaker 2: You're taking a hit when you watch him.
Speaker 1: I recommend just enjoying Deebo Samuel fantasy player from Afar,
Speaker 1: not in real time. That's my final advice. Anybody else
Speaker 1: have a Finn thought as we wrap things up.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think you handled it.
Speaker 5: I I think doing your draft a little closer to
Speaker 5: the season is nice.
Speaker 4: You don't get you don't get in trouble.
Speaker 5: But I'm glad we're getting this episode out a little earlier.
Speaker 5: I know you're drafting this weekend day, it's starting to
Speaker 5: crank up. This next weekend, the weekend after the following
Speaker 5: week is is when it most happens. But I do
Speaker 5: think the idea, you know, that it's supposed to be fun.
Speaker 5: You know, you want to take it seriously, but you
Speaker 5: want to take you want to take guys you like
Speaker 5: that's it's all saying, it's your leam. You're gonna have
Speaker 5: to live with this guy, these guys, I'll your family.
Speaker 2: I don't care who it is you're producing.
Speaker 1: Now it gets a little thorny if we're talking about
Speaker 1: d W again. Little thorny if he's on your real team,
Speaker 1: because then it gets a little messy my fantasy team.
Speaker 1: I can divorce myself from basically anything. I would draft
Speaker 1: OJ in nineteen seventy four. I don't care he's on
Speaker 1: my You didn't know what was going to happen back then.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good point.
Speaker 3: But in your league, because I know it's your friends
Speaker 3: and you're a guy friends, but like you're in a
Speaker 3: league employee who's bathed in you know, football data left
Speaker 3: and right. Do they ever sort of look at you
Speaker 3: and say not fair? You should have a different job.
Speaker 1: If you I catch heat for that. That's part of
Speaker 1: the fun. Do you win the league or league? I'm
Speaker 1: always in the playoffs. I've made multiple deep runs, I
Speaker 1: have titles. Yeah, it would be bad if I was
Speaker 1: bombing in that league, I'd get killed for it. So
Speaker 1: I'm representative to what I should be considering the amount
Speaker 1: of hours we put into it, Well, you should be
Speaker 1: winning them. But again it's annoying because I look, this
Speaker 1: is a great cheat sheet for me today's episode. But
Speaker 1: there are people in our league, like Shellin, Bob Greg
Speaker 1: They listen to our podcast. So now everything that I
Speaker 1: wrote down is a good point. Not only they hear
Speaker 1: that as well, like oh Dan reacted to that in
Speaker 1: a different way. It's banging me a little.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we should stop baby broadcasts.
Speaker 5: Yes, that reminds me of the the NBC Sports Last
Speaker 5: Road or World Draft we would do every year and
Speaker 5: everyone was going off my damn rankings.
Speaker 4: I can't do anything. I'm getting boxed out on all
Speaker 4: the guys I want.
Speaker 1: It would be quite just to do it one year,
Speaker 1: like totally go opposit all your takes on the public sector,
Speaker 1: just to kill your draft.
Speaker 2: That would be a move.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you everybody, Thank you again to all
Speaker 1: our guests that make the fantasy extravagance.
Speaker 2: That give me my music.
Speaker 1: Florio Brands, Darty Silva. I mean that's a murderer's roll
Speaker 1: and we thank them all. Good luck in your drafts
Speaker 1: until Thursday.
Speaker 2: Heat the Golf