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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the thirty fourth Annual Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy extrava Gunza with special guests Marcus Grant and

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Speaker 1: Michael f.

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Speaker 2: Florio.

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Speaker 1: Love those guys, Greg Brick By Brick Rosenthal, Roto, Pat Patrick, Darty,

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Speaker 1: the Big Fish, Evan Silva. Also Mark is here and

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Speaker 1: now your host and the two time League of Record champion.

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Speaker 1: Should have been three if Brees halted again hurt Dan

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Speaker 1: hands oh unbelievable introduction. Thank you, and welcome Yes to

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Speaker 1: the thirty seventh Annual Around the NFL Fantasy Extravaganza.

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Speaker 2: It is Mark. It is that time again.

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Speaker 3: I mean the way that I was build there, which

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Speaker 3: I did notice everybody got introduced. Yeah, sure, I mean

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Speaker 3: I will allow that to reflect my level of effort

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Speaker 3: on this show.

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Speaker 2: That's what you'd like.

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Speaker 4: We're doing this old yarn again.

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Speaker 5: It's not as sit out the segment, Sessler. You know,

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Speaker 5: this is one of the only shows my son Walker

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Speaker 5: listens to every years getting into his fantasy league, and

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Speaker 5: you just have to drop a performative f bomb right

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Speaker 5: off the top.

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Speaker 2: I tried.

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Speaker 1: I tried to introduce the boys to Hard Knocks episode

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Speaker 1: two yesterday. You know, tying it back together, Jeff Ulbrick

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Speaker 1: Jet's DC. It's his fault. My wife pulled the chord.

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Speaker 1: After about five minutes.

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Speaker 2: He went at it.

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Speaker 3: I've yet to see the episode, but he went down

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Speaker 3: that road again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the.

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Speaker 1: Guy's got a potty mouth. Check out the Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: podcast recap with Colleen Wolfe.

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Speaker 2: I also did look at this. Did the Rich Eisen

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Speaker 2: show this morning? Wow, get it tight, beautiful coffee cut.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird way to hold something here. We'll do

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Speaker 1: this and talk to Hard Knocks. So that's fun.

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Speaker 2: Were you given that or did you lift that? Did

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Speaker 2: you take that?

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Speaker 3: With?

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Speaker 2: Rich?

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Speaker 1: Personally handed it? And he was he said very nice

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Speaker 1: things about you.

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Speaker 2: Mark.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a huge fan of the show. Now he

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Speaker 3: did it, I already was.

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Speaker 1: I was kidding, well, but he would love to get

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Speaker 1: us on the old Eiesen show there on Roku and.

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Speaker 2: Radio and all that. It's good. But who cares about this.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Fantasy extrava guns.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Greg, you are again brick by Brick, not triple G,

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Speaker 1: your triple B. And you've been out of the fantasy

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Speaker 1: game for a while now, and yet.

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Speaker 5: For one show a year in a decade, you're all

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Speaker 5: the way back. Maybe, Yeah, this is we started this

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Speaker 5: podcast in twenty thirteen. I left Road a World for

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Speaker 5: the NFL in twenty twelve. Of you know, having looked

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Speaker 5: back until the last year or two, now that my

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Speaker 5: kids are in the fantasy league, Yeah, I try to

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Speaker 5: help him out a little bit. Didn't help him out

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Speaker 5: enough because they drafted Son, drafted Tom Brady and Mac

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Speaker 5: Jones back to back rounds one and two Battle Torpedo

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Speaker 5: your season. I thought about joining their league this year,

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Speaker 5: and then I was looking at the average AFT position

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Speaker 5: we'll talk about it, and I was like, I would

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Speaker 5: wipe the floor with all these kids. That wouldn't be

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Speaker 5: nice because I got takes. I think it's it's helpful

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Speaker 5: actually to not be inside the fantasy bubble because you

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Speaker 5: see where like they just get stuck on some weird loops.

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Speaker 5: There's some weird logic inside the bubble, and we're gonna

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Speaker 5: pop that bubble?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like other fathers and mothers that are

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Speaker 3: attempting to guide their young children through an initial fantasy

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Speaker 3: football experience, then they've got Greg Rosenthal operating as a

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Speaker 2: It feels a little inequitable to me.

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Speaker 4: Well, they finished sixth and eighth out of eight.

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Speaker 2: So, oh do you think it? Do you think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Greg's name still carries clout within the industry.

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Speaker 4: Within our anybody knows the industry?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of like a founding father, like an Abraham

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Speaker 2: I think to most young fantasy fans, a real Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a little, a little maybe George

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Speaker 1: Washington on the Delaware.

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Speaker 3: I'm over I'm over billing Greg a little bit with

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Speaker 3: that reference.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the extravaganza with our first guests

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Speaker 1: in just a little bit. But first, let's get caught

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Speaker 1: up with some housekeeping. Uh some news that we hit

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Speaker 1: and again undefeated. We tape on Monday as soon as

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Speaker 1: we complete the show. Uh, sizeable nugs drop. So now

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Speaker 2: How are they gonna put play Echel Elliott at center?

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Speaker 6: Here?

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Speaker 2: Look at this formation.

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Speaker 3: It appears that Zeke's gonna go to center.

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Speaker 6: This looks like my flag football team.

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Speaker 7: Final play looks like Barnupel Prescott over the middle of

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Speaker 7: the torpret gets spoke right away and not to do

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Speaker 7: with the forty nine ers back to the championship team.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I didn't big Eric Roberts back behind the glass.

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Speaker 1: He pointed out that that is the final play of

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's Cowboys career. Yeah, getting pancaked as an absurd

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Speaker 1: play call, not by Zaddy by the way.

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Speaker 2: Make it clear is that he's going plays this year.

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Speaker 3: Is Kellen Moore's last place?

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Speaker 1: Got Kellen Moore fired maybe, And now he's in LA

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Speaker 1: and everybod's like, oh, what a great hire playboy drew

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Speaker 1: that up? Okay, before we start handing out flowers and

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings in so far for the AFC team there. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get after Kellen Moore there.

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Speaker 2: But well you had to your a journalist. Anyway, Zeke,

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Speaker 2: he's done with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I could think it he was gonna end up back

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Speaker 1: that he still does well, like pass protection seemed to

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Speaker 2: But he's not.

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Speaker 1: Instead, he's with the New England Patriots assigned Zeke to

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Speaker 1: a one year contract that's worth up to six million.

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Speaker 1: It could be significantly less than that, of course, and

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Speaker 2: Greg Zeke. Listen, there are metrics.

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Speaker 1: There are stats like only three point eight yards per

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Speaker 2: You pop the hoods.

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Speaker 1: Some of the metrics say he's one of the least

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Speaker 1: So there are reasons to think that he could help

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Speaker 5: It's fine, but I can't believe they're spending four million

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Speaker 5: It could work out less, could be more for Zeke

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Speaker 5: a short yarded guy. We know he's a great pass

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Speaker 5: protector Ramandri Street. Stevenson definitely needed a backup. I kind

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Speaker 5: of noted that in my column this week. They need

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Speaker 5: But you let Damien Harris walk for half of this.

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Speaker 5: Damien Harris is twice the natural runner that Zeke is.

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Speaker 5: He's not durable, but it just seems like a position

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Speaker 5: that it's strange to spend four million dollars on your back.

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Speaker 5: That apparently is what he's gonna get. Three million dollar

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Speaker 5: base salary, one million dollar signing bone. It's when they

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Speaker 5: signed him, I was like, is he definitely gonna make

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Speaker 5: the team? What if he looks bad? I guess he's

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Speaker 5: making the team with that signing bone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but I couldn't agree more with the Damien

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Speaker 3: Harris aspect. The Bill Belichick, the general manager, has cobbled

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Speaker 3: I don't hate the idea of Elliott being used in

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Speaker 2: I mean that will need to be the case.

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Speaker 3: He ran for two yards per carry over the last

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Speaker 3: four games of last season. I don't think he's quite

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Speaker 2: But I like to fit.

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Speaker 3: I think it mattered where he went, and I think

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Speaker 3: that if you're gonna get good run blocking in New England,

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Speaker 3: I don't if you're a Ramandre Stevenson fantasy guy, like

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Speaker 3: this is not good for him.

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Speaker 2: I don't love it for him.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's bad. I just think it doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's a goal line maybe it could

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Speaker 1: be an issue, but he might vulture a few touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't think Mark that Zeke had any juice

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Speaker 3: I actually I'm not surprised he got a job, but

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Speaker 1: He was when he got out into the open, which

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Speaker 1: the jets. He just seemed like he was lumbering rather

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Speaker 1: I don't hate the landing spot. I do wonder, like

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Speaker 1: it's late August, we're weeks away from, you know, meaningful games,

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Speaker 1: like what has Zeke Elliott been doing all offseason? Or

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Speaker 1: do we trust that he's in the finest shape of

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Speaker 1: his life coming off last year.

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Speaker 5: He's been up and down, and he showed up to

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Speaker 5: I'm glad he brought that up about Zeke because I

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Speaker 5: actually thought in each of the last two years he

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Speaker 5: was like, oh, Zeke looks pretty good, he's moving well,

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Speaker 5: and then within about two or three weeks he suffers

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Speaker 5: a minor they say, injury, and he always plays through it.

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Speaker 5: He's got to be one of the toughest players of

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Speaker 5: his generation. I mean, he's had so many twenty one

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Speaker 5: hundred touches in his career in seven years, and he

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Speaker 5: always played through it. But like something always happens within

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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks and then that little bit of

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Speaker 5: juice is gone. But maybe he can keep that juice

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Speaker 5: if he's just like a backup, not touching the ball

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to convince it light, but I'm not really slight.

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Speaker 2: Direction Mark it's mid August, not August. Feels like late August.

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Speaker 1: Not to be outdone, the New York Jets finally get

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Speaker 1: it done with Dalvin Cook, the former Vikings Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: running back, a one year, wait for it, eight point

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Speaker 1: six million dollar deal.

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Speaker 5: Up to eight points up up to He's been doing

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Speaker 5: a lot of heavy lifting up to but I did

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Speaker 5: get some details in it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's seven base yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, which is still juicy and sizey. And this is

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Speaker 1: a move that made all the sense in the world

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Speaker 1: for the Jets. And I don't worry about the money either,

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Speaker 1: because it's a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: I should you.

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Speaker 1: And you could always and they they had some funny

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Speaker 1: money because of the Aaron Rodgers, the outrageous decision that

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Speaker 1: he took that pay cut to help the team and

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Speaker 1: surprise everyone in the football world.

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Speaker 2: So the Jets had some money, Layer Aroun.

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Speaker 1: Now would they love to take some of that money

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Speaker 1: and go trade for a writer left tackle. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: And also like Michael Carter and Zonovan Knight are quality

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Speaker 3: I mean, what happened last year cannot happen this year.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: This is a summer tropoler, but Breese Hall is measured

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Speaker 1: Other news mentioned the Cowboys Zeke an ex Cowboys still

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anyone was ever worried. This is

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Speaker 4: That's why.

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Speaker 5: Because they wanted Johnny Manziel and instead the Cowboys chose

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Speaker 4: So good job by Jerry Jones choosing Zach Martin and.

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones he had some manziel fascination and like Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow they show.

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Speaker 5: Because there's only did it, there's a lot, there's a

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Speaker 1: In other news, injury News didn't like seeing this right

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Speaker 1: before we started. Buccaneers wide receiver Russell Gage his season

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Speaker 1: This has been an issue for Mark throughout his Buccaneers career.

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Speaker 3: And I really thought last year that you know, when

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Speaker 5: I think people sometimes overreact too much to the surroundings.

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Speaker 5: Mike Evans and Godwin are going so late in fantasy drafts.

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Speaker 5: You feel for Russell Gage, who I thought was a

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Speaker 4: Those guys are money.

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Speaker 1: That might come up later. And finally, the news, tragic news.

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Speaker 4: Happened, he's really sad.

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Speaker 5: He always said, like when they would do the interviews,

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Speaker 1: Colin is dead at the age of twenty eight. All right,

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Speaker 2: Will be right back right Welcome back. It is time

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Studs welcome back. Thanks man.

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking of the music. It's like an awards show

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Speaker 1: We our whole thing is, we're only gonna do one

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Speaker 1: you guys do it well. But if we're gonna do it,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make it count.

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Speaker 2: I love being part of the extravaganza every year.

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Speaker 6: It's a good time and I always love I love

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Speaker 6: Sessler's Fantasy corner.

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Speaker 2: The whole deal. It's great. Yeah, Marca marks you older.

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Speaker 1: He's got he's got money, and he just doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to be on the corner anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we took a corner. As you remember, it was

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Speaker 3: a violent part of town.

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Speaker 2: You were like combat helmet.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I don't need that at this point. Like

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Speaker 3: the youth, more youth like younger version of me was,

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Speaker 3: you know, keen to that.

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Speaker 2: I understand, Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of like how we want to attack

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Speaker 1: the conversation with you boys, we thought just talk a

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Speaker 1: little ADP and uh average draft position for the uninitiated,

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Speaker 1: which would be weird you got to know that certain

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Speaker 1: things you got.

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Speaker 2: To know even compete in your league.

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Speaker 1: No, ADP, and we could talk about Greg what what

475
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Speaker 1: jumped out to us? What seems weird? What feels like

476
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Speaker 1: a good value, a bad value? Maybe I'll tee it

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Speaker 1: up this way, Mike, who's your favorite kind of undervalued guy?

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Speaker 2: ADP? Right now?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I like Quentin Johnston a whole lot.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 8: I think that if either Keenan Allen or Mike Williams

483
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Speaker 8: miss his time, I think this Chargers offense.

484
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Speaker 2: Which they will.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think this Chargers' offense is going to

486
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Speaker 8: be one of the very best in the league. Now

487
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Speaker 8: with Kellen Moore there, I think Justin Herbert could take

488
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Speaker 8: a huge jump.

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Speaker 2: And we went to Chargers camp weeks ago. There looks

490
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Speaker 2: like it looks like.

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Speaker 8: A basketball team. Their receiving room and he towers over

492
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Speaker 8: everyone so he could win downfield good after the catch.

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Speaker 6: I really like him. I like Quinston Johnston. I like

494
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Speaker 6: I like Deontay Johnson Pittsburgh. You know he's that guy

495
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Speaker 6: that all of us who do this love Deontay Johnson

496
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Speaker 6: because you know, he's got the technical skills. He got

497
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Speaker 6: a ton of targets, and then you know people who

498
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Speaker 6: are more casual just look and say he didn't score

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Speaker 6: a touchdown last year, and it's like sort of hard

500
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Speaker 6: to argue that, but one, you can't score fewer than zero, right,

501
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Speaker 6: So so regression positive regression has to be coming his way.

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Speaker 6: Canny Pikett doesn't have to be great, He just has

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Speaker 6: to not be terrible because with the volume of targets.

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Speaker 6: Deontay Johnson gets law of average says he's gonna get

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Speaker 6: in the end zone this year. I think the Steelers

506
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Speaker 6: will be at least a little bit better. And he's

507
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Speaker 6: going like in the eighth round. I feel like that

508
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Speaker 6: steel right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: When I was looking at the average raft position, I

511
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Speaker 5: never look at it until the day or two before

512
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Speaker 5: this show, and some things just stand out to like

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Speaker 5: that and like they're a great risk receivers available in

514
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Speaker 5: that area of the draft lot. You know, Bryan Brandon

515
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Speaker 5: Nyuk's going pretty late, Mike Williams is going pretty late.

516
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Speaker 5: Mike Evans, who's getting a lot of like, hey, it's

517
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Speaker 5: a contract year and he's crushing everyone at Bucks Camp, like,

518
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Speaker 5: is maybe getting discounted too much, I think for Baker

519
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Speaker 5: getting there, But I wanted to ask you guys about

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Speaker 5: the averagedraft position at the top, because I'm basic and

521
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Speaker 5: people like looking at the top though, like there's it's

522
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Speaker 5: very interesting only four running backs in round one. I

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Speaker 5: kind of feel like now the average draft has caught

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Speaker 5: up to uh that receivers are just safer than running backs.

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Speaker 5: But the running back that stuck out the most that

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Speaker 5: is in round one to me is I thought Bijon

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Speaker 5: might be going at number one overall, and I think

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Speaker 5: I would consider him at one overall, two overall, three overall,

529
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Speaker 5: and he's down there at nine. That usually doesn't happen

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Speaker 5: in fantasy drafts. I know, he's like a rookie, Like,

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Speaker 5: where are you at with Bijeon? Do you think that's

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Speaker 5: too high or too low? Because for him to be

533
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Speaker 5: that low that means in some drafts he's like slipping

534
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Speaker 5: into mid round two. That's shocking to me because I

535
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Speaker 5: think there's like a reasonable chance he's like RB one

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Speaker 5: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before we throw it to the experts on this,

538
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Speaker 1: like he's never played before, sure, but I'm just curious,

539
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Speaker 1: like if you look at who are the other guys

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Speaker 1: running backs that hit the came into the league, like

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson flashes in my mind as an example, Greg,

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Speaker 1: that was during your brick by brick era.

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Speaker 2: Was he a guy that was going top five overall?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like if you're adp as a

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Speaker 1: rookie who's never played before is top ten, you're pretty

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Speaker 1: unique already.

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Speaker 3: Also, like Clyde Edwards Hilaria, we just did this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I trust he's going around where Clyde Edwards Hiliro was going.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what I mean. Maybe that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people I was burned in his rookie season,

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Speaker 1: Like maybe people are jumpy about that.

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Speaker 6: I think I think it's a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 6: I'll say this, people are less scared to draft rookies

554
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Speaker 6: in the first round now than they were a few

555
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Speaker 6: years ago. Like I remember when Zeke came out and

556
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Speaker 6: everybody was like, you know, and a lot of people

557
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Speaker 6: analysts were like, hey, he's a first round pick, and

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Speaker 6: a lot of pushback was he's never before. But you know,

559
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Speaker 6: we've seen Zeke do it, We've seen Saquon do it,

560
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Speaker 6: we've seen Christian McCaffrey do it, and so I think

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Speaker 6: people are a little less hesitant. But I still think

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Speaker 6: when you look at the running backs going ahead of him,

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Speaker 6: it's a case of, well, we have seen this for

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Speaker 6: sure before, Like we believe Bijon can be good. We

565
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Speaker 6: know McCaffrey, Eckler, Chubb, we know those guys are gonna

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Speaker 6: be good. So that I think is why you're seeing

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Speaker 6: them go ahead. But I don't think it's out of

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Speaker 6: the realm of possibility for Beijon to be the RB one.

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Speaker 6: But you know, if you can take him later in

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Speaker 6: the first round, take the discount and be happy.

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Speaker 4: But like, what what to your point? What was like

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Speaker 4: Zeke Specks the year.

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Speaker 5: I guess he was good in year three two, But like,

574
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Speaker 5: is it right off the bat he's getting two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Years the back end? You know?

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Speaker 1: Sticking with running backs here that you know two guys

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Speaker 1: that scare the hell out of me personally, Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Taylor. And I'm looking here at a fantasy

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Speaker 1: football calculator. They're they're going twenty four to twenty five average, man.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want anything to do with

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Speaker 1: guys that have that much stake around them. And Taylor

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Speaker 1: also has the ankle stuff that maybe you're still concerned

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Speaker 1: about surprise where they are or does that seem about right?

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Speaker 8: I think it seems about right. Late second, early third

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Speaker 8: round is where you get them. Look, there's risk obviously

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Speaker 8: tied to them, but they're the kind of like league

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Speaker 8: winning type picks. Because if you could get Jonathan Taylor

589
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Speaker 8: or Josh Jacobs and they end up being there week

590
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Speaker 8: one and they have their normal type of season, those

591
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Speaker 8: are guys that were gonna be late first early, like

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Speaker 8: going around where Bijon and Saquon and those guys were going.

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Speaker 8: So you are getting a big discount on them, because

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Speaker 8: I know it only sounds like, oh around maybe a

595
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Speaker 8: round and a half, but that early in the draft,

596
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Speaker 8: that is a sizable discount. So it depends on how

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Speaker 8: risk adverse you want to be. But if you are,

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Speaker 8: if you're someone who's like me and you play to

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Speaker 8: swing for the fences in the game, exactly, it's worth

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Speaker 8: a dice.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: With Bijon, like Echeler, we've seen it, but what are

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Speaker 5: the odds he's actually got to be that good again

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Speaker 5: this year?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's And here's the one last thing

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Speaker 1: on this, but when you look, if you don't go

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Speaker 1: for the Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor big swing there. If

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Speaker 1: they're available, you know the guys that you're going after

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Speaker 1: that according to the list I'm looking at here, it's

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Speaker 1: like Nauji Harris, it's like, Okay, Joe Mixon, Travis etn

611
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Speaker 1: I like him more than another's, Brice Haw his injury issues,

612
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: and now Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, if the next name is, oh, Jamiir Gibbs,

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Speaker 2: that's who you want. Okay, go on top of the

615
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Speaker 2: fourth round.

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Speaker 6: Jamiir Gibbs is sort of like arbitrage Bjeon Robinson, right.

617
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Speaker 6: I think that's how people are sort of injured about it.

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Speaker 6: That he has a great skill set, He's in an

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Speaker 6: offense that was great last year. DeAndre Swift leaving has

620
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Speaker 6: sort of opened up an opportunity. But you don't have

621
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Speaker 6: to pay that first round draft price. You can wait

622
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Speaker 6: until the third, maybe fourth round, and Jamior Gibbs is

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Speaker 6: still sitting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but what Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's fine.

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Speaker 5: Fourth round, but one of them is like one of

627
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: the greatest running back prospects of all time.

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Speaker 4: That's all I'm just saying. Sometimes when it seems obvious,

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Speaker 4: it is obvious.

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Speaker 3: How do you deal with when speaking of rookies, Because

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Speaker 3: I look at the tight end position number one, You've

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Speaker 3: got a limited amount of like premiere tight ends. You

633
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: can't sleep on that round after round. You might have

634
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Speaker 3: to go really early if you want to get one

635
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Speaker 3: of these guys. But I feel like rookie tight ends

636
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Speaker 3: they can be pumped up, but you really don't get

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Speaker 3: the production sometimes from that position until year two or three.

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00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 3: But then you hear about the buzz around Dalton Kincaid,

639
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Speaker 3: Sam Laporta. Is this part of your swing for the fences?

640
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: Like you trust that these guys produce right away?

641
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Speaker 2: I love them both. I do a those I'll say this.

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Speaker 6: I am also not averse to taking Travis Kelce in

643
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Speaker 6: the first round just because set it and forget it.

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Speaker 2: I don't need that headache.

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Speaker 6: But if I'm waiting, Kincaid and Laporter are two guys

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Speaker 6: that I'm traveling a lot this year.

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Speaker 4: Kelsey's going we top six or seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's maybe even tough. I see him

649
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: at four in someplaces. Yeah.

650
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Speaker 6: I literally part of me with Kinkaid, I will admit,

651
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 6: part of me, you know, still has emotional scars watching

652
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Speaker 6: him run over USC last year when you have like

653
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Speaker 6: eleven d catches against them in like the regular season.

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Speaker 6: But I think he's great. I think he's gonna get

655
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Speaker 6: a lot of opportunity. And Sam Laporta a talented guy.

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00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 6: And you know when you look at the rest of

657
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Speaker 6: that depth chart there when it comes to tight ends

658
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 6: in Detroit, you know, stop me when somebody you know

659
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 6: wows you brock right, James Mitchell, Darryl Dany like nothing, no, right,

660
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: nobody there. He is gonna take those targets away from him.

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Speaker 1: Cautionary tale. I did it two years in a row

662
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Speaker 1: because I was so high on him. You want to

663
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Speaker 1: talk about guy coming out of college, seeing his potential

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Speaker 1: all time prospect, Kyle Pitts, and he's going at the

665
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Speaker 1: top of the seventh round. So finally the fantasy world's like,

666
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Speaker 1: we gotta pump the brakes here, and of course their

667
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: offense there. I was gonna run the ball out with

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Speaker 1: Beijon there and the quarterback situation, where are Kyle Pitts friendly.

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Speaker 2: Shot are we gonna do it?

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Speaker 1: Is it smart to get him around early and hope

671
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Speaker 1: that it finally pops here?

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Speaker 8: I think so coming into two drafts, I want one

673
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 8: of the top seven tight ends this year, and my

674
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 8: top favorite targets are Kelsey in the first, Darren Waller,

675
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Speaker 8: or Kyle Pitts. And the thing I love about Kyle

676
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Speaker 8: Pitts is last season he could have been Jerry Rice

677
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Speaker 8: and he would have flopped because sixty percent of his

678
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 8: targets were deemed uncatch brutal, Marcus Mariota no offense, he

679
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 8: was just not a good passer last year, and then

680
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 8: when they brought in Desmond Ritter, they started throwing about

681
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Speaker 8: six times more per game, which doesn't sound like a

682
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Speaker 8: whole lot, but when you add that up over seventeen games,

683
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Speaker 8: we're talking about one hundred more pass attempts. Plus there

684
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Speaker 8: was two games last year that they lost by more

685
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Speaker 8: than one score. I don't know if they're gonna have

686
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Speaker 8: the game script where they can just run the ball

687
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Speaker 8: as much as they did last year, So I think naturally,

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Speaker 8: with Pitts being so talented, with more opportunity and stuff,

689
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Speaker 8: and then with him going four rounds later than he

690
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Speaker 8: was going a year ago, that's it's the whole game.

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Speaker 5: That's why like Kelsey at fifth seems insane to me,

692
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: because it's like he's never been taken close to that high.

693
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: And yes, he's coming off one of his best seasons.

694
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Speaker 5: He's thirty four years. Like, don't take anyone in the

695
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 5: season that they're going way higher than they've ever gone before.

696
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 5: You mentioned you wanted a top seven tight end. So

697
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Speaker 5: just for our listeners, Andrews is going around round three,

698
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Speaker 5: that's fine. Hockinson and round four that seems crazy to me,

699
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: like they're such good receivers and other players available, then

700
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Speaker 5: Kitto and five very injury prone at this point, including

701
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Speaker 5: right now, he's out Waller.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

703
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Speaker 5: Waller and got her in the round six area feels

704
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: tasty to me. God Her, I feel like every every year,

705
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 5: I feel like he's going to have a career year,

706
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 5: and every year he does. And I and what you

707
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 5: hear out of Philadelphia, I think he's just going to

708
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 5: be a huge part of that offense.

709
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love Waller this year. I'm still in on

710
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Speaker 6: Kyle Pitts. I would say this with Kelsey. Part of

711
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Speaker 6: the reason you're seeing it is because there was no

712
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 6: greater single player advantage in Fantasy.

713
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Speaker 4: Right that was last last I Look, That's what I'm saying.

714
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Speaker 6: A wise man once told me don't draft last year's

715
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Speaker 6: best team, So that's something to keep it.

716
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Speaker 3: I have a personal question. I think people are familiar

717
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: with the app cameo, where you can, you know, provide

718
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Speaker 3: videos and birthday messages to people. But it comes to

719
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Speaker 3: a feat and it's to get access to people like yourself.

720
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Speaker 3: Michael Florio is charging twenty five dollars for a personal video.

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Speaker 3: Well that seems reasonable, Marcus. I just wanted to, like

722
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Speaker 3: to get a comunist. You're charging fifty dollars. Well, yeah,

723
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Speaker 3: what's happening here? Well, you know, what are you providing

724
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Speaker 3: the U not providing?

725
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Speaker 2: You take what the market will give you.

726
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Speaker 5: Right, scary question, fair, Marcus, You've been here at the

727
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Speaker 5: NFL in fantasy for a while.

728
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Speaker 2: This is twenty.

729
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Speaker 4: Eleven, okay, in Florio is a little bit more of

730
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Speaker 4: a nuke. No, I know.

731
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Speaker 2: I had to see. I was like, no one's gonna

732
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Speaker 2: pay fifty dollars.

733
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Speaker 3: Your stock is on the rise, though there's Mike's value.

734
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Speaker 2: Should I make it like twenty thirty? From an ADP standpoint,

735
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Speaker 2: I think I think.

736
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Speaker 4: You bump it?

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Speaker 6: Look I will I was that I I sort of

738
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Speaker 6: went with the recommendations of the cameo brain Trust.

739
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Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, like what is Beetlejuice charge for

740
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Speaker 1: his cameo? Like, well, let's get some other like celebrities

741
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Speaker 1: out there figure it out.

742
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Speaker 5: I think the juice is still with us.

743
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Speaker 6: All I know is I heard that uh Dean Norris

744
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 6: Hank from Breaking Back is charging around.

745
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: Two hundred bucks for cameos.

746
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 8: Apparently the guy who plays Kevin from the Office makes

747
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Speaker 8: like that's his living now.

748
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Speaker 2: He's the most lucrative. Yeah, he wants like millions of dollars.

749
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Speaker 2: Here would be my the way I would do it.

750
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Speaker 1: Do it like you're putting a house on the market, right,

751
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: so you said it high, and then if you have

752
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: to quietly go to your real estate broke and be like,

753
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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: Take it down, then you do it. You're not gonna

755
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: depress your value. Maybe I've had to already do that once.

756
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Speaker 4: All right on.

757
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: One guy, pay you twenty dollars, let me send you

758
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Speaker 2: a video.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the equivalent I feel like of Mike Florio on

760
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Speaker 5: cameo being a bargain at twenty five bucks. I think

761
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Speaker 5: after I looked at all these ADP's and some seemed

762
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Speaker 5: insane to me. When you go through a whole offseason

763
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Speaker 5: and not see anything. The one that was by far

764
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Speaker 5: the most insane is that Damian Pierce of the Texans

765
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Speaker 5: is going at the end of the fifth or sixth round.

766
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Speaker 5: That would be my number one recommendation, my number one

767
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Speaker 5: guy I'm standing on the table for in all of this,

768
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Speaker 5: if you had told me he was going at one twelve,

769
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Speaker 5: I would have been like, oh, yeah, it's like one

770
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Speaker 5: of the best running backs in the league with a

771
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Speaker 5: really good offensive line and guaranteed to get three hundred touches.

772
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Speaker 5: That feels like a guy in his second year, because

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Speaker 5: I'd rather have running backs early that goes in the

774
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Speaker 5: top fifteen to twenty picks. Like the ceilings through the

775
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Speaker 5: roof as they would say, what, I don't get it,

776
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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, do you agree with.

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Speaker 2: Me that this Cily is the roof is the Jordan?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it doesn't. I don't get it, but that,

779
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: like it's insane. He would be behind Madison, Kenneth Walker,

780
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 5: and Miles Like all of it seems insane to me.

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00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 5: Go draft Damien Pierce. Agree or disagree, I know I

782
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 5: love Dan.

783
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 6: I will say this, I want to keep him at

784
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 6: that ADP because I think it's a bargain. But I

785
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 6: think I think there's a general fear of the Texans offense,

786
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 6: Like if you look, there are no Texans really getting draft.

787
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: Ain't no Texans on my team. And I think the

788
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: other part is, but.

789
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Speaker 4: They have a good line. It's kind of sneaky. They

790
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: have a good line, and it can't be worse than

791
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 4: last year. He was great last year.

792
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Speaker 6: Right, But I think the knock ons that he doesn't

793
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 6: really well, that he doesn't catch the ball, but they

794
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 6: seem to be working that into the arsenal this year too.

795
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Speaker 8: My only concern with him is that it's a first

796
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 8: year OC and he comes from San Francisco who always

797
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 8: like to rotate their run. Even Christian McCaffrey, we were like,

798
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 8: why is this guy not playing ninety percent of the

799
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 8: snaps anymore? Okay, they signed Devin Singletary. I'm a little

800
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Speaker 8: bit concerned if he'll eat into the workload.

801
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Speaker 3: So if you're for the casual like newer fantasy person

802
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: and you're sitting there and you know these guys, but

803
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: you know you're dealing with someone like Alvin Kamara or

804
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams, you're dealing with early season suspensions just they

805
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: just go undrafted or you grab them late, Like what

806
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: do you do with Alvin Kamara.

807
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Speaker 8: I love both of those players, like Jamison Williams is

808
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 8: one of my most drafted receivers, Alvin Kamara from running

809
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 8: backs because I don't care about the first three weeks

810
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 8: of the season. For Alvin Kamara, I can get by.

811
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 8: There's no buyers, injuries haven't piled up yet, so it's

812
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 8: easy to set here, especially when you could plan for it.

813
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 8: So for me, I just want my team and it's

814
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 8: optimal shape. Come to fantasy playoffs, and I think Jamison

815
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 8: Williams and Alvin Kamara could be league winners if they hit.

816
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: I love that move.

817
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I remember winning a league once with when I had

818
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: I grabbed Tom Brady during his the flake Gate suspension

819
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: earlier than maybe others thought, and then you just stash

820
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: him and before you know it, it's October or whatever,

821
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: and some of these suspensions tall and then it's like

822
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Speaker 1: it's like the baseball GM who tries to play cad

823
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: an angry fan base about oh, when this guy comes back,

824
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: it will be about It's like trading for a big

825
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: time kind of is that way?

826
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge comment here is that what this is.

827
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: I got some rage Ran Cashman, but that's fine. But

828
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I love doing that move. I get guys that are

829
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: out of the picture and then when they show up,

830
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, no.

831
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Speaker 6: One hundred percent. Like I'm people were drafting Kamara anyway.

832
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 6: They were sort of, you know, being a little bit cautious,

833
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 6: and I think he was going around like round eight

834
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 6: and in the moment we found out what the suspension was,

835
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Speaker 6: people were willing to Yeah, people were willing to reach

836
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Speaker 6: a couple.

837
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Speaker 2: Of rounds higher, but no, no doubt to buy it.

838
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 6: But I'd say in the short term, you know, if

839
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Speaker 6: you're willing to go get Jamal Williams, say in round

840
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Speaker 6: ten or eleven, you know the first three weeks there's

841
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 6: a big opportunity for him there.

842
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 5: And have faith in your ability to just fill that

843
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 5: spot for three weeks. He can the third or four

844
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Speaker 5: round player. It's like a study I read and talk

845
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Speaker 5: about this with my kids, Like one of the things

846
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Speaker 5: you can most easily predict scientifically among kids, like who's

847
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 5: going to be happier in life or have more successes,

848
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 5: Like if you're the type of person when you have

849
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: as a kid something in front of you, and you

850
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: can wait until tomorrow to actually have it, like if

851
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 5: you or if you have to have it right now?

852
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: Basically like do you want to wait till tomorrow and

853
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 5: have two pieces of chocolate? Do you want one piece

854
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: of chocolate right now? The kids who take the one

855
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: piece of chocolate right now end up like less happy,

856
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 5: less successful. If you can wait, if you can wait

857
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 5: for Camara, that's a nice.

858
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 2: I want it right now. I want to I could

859
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: wait on fantasy players, not chocolate.

860
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 5: Do you have any like wide receivers before we let

861
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 5: you go, just Eddie that you think are a nice

862
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 5: value mid, early, late, whatever you want.

863
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 6: I keep saying that rumors of Tyler Lockett's fantasy demise

864
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 6: are greatly exaggerated, you know, when the moment they drafted

865
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 6: Jackson Smith and Jig but everybody's like, oh, it's over

866
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 6: for Tyler Lockett, And I'm like, have we forgotten that

867
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 6: he's actually outperformed Dk Metcalf the last couple of years.

868
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 6: He has been the better of the two receivers. And

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00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 6: I think that the Seahawks sort of going all in

870
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 6: on Geno Smith's suggests they want to throw the football more.

871
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 6: And look, if you're willing to let me have Tyler

872
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 6: Lockett somewhere, you know, round five, round six, I will

873
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 6: thank you for that opportunity. I think you know who

874
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 6: needs eighty catches, you know, eleven twelve hundred yards and

875
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 6: eight to ten touchdowns.

876
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: Who needs that? I love Tyler Lockett as well.

877
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 8: But one area that I love it for receivers is

878
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 8: like that late third early fourth round because chrissel Lave's

879
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 8: early third round. But like the Lave, Calvin Ridley, Amari

880
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 8: Cooper are three receivers that I want on as many

881
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Speaker 8: teams as I can get.

882
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: They all go in that range, So I just try

883
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: to target.

884
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: Whichever one that seems like incredible values.

885
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: Throat two others out there, I'd go crazy, yeah big.

886
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Going early fifth round Terry McLaurin and Christian Wattson two

887
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: guys I will if they're sitting there for me at

888
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: the top of the fifth round, I'm all over both

889
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: of those guys.

890
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

891
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 6: McLaurin just he's sort of the new Alan Robinson, Like

892
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 6: he's that guy that I just if I could wish

893
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 6: one thing, I would just wish for him to actually

894
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 6: get like a really good quarterback. But he's somehow figured

895
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 6: out how to process.

896
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he gets his and imagine if how could play.

897
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: We shall see before we say goodbye to our friends

898
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Speaker 1: in the NFL media fantasy realm.

899
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Speaker 2: Do you want to share some of the reporting that

900
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: we've heard.

901
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 5: So, Yeah, I heard, I heard a little whisper. Just

902
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: you know, you've probably heard this too many times. Michael

903
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 5: left Florio, But you share a name with my old

904
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 5: boss Mike Florio, who was a prominent position in the

905
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Speaker 5: in the industry.

906
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Speaker 2: Did not know he was your old bass until recently.

907
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I worked there for three years. It was like

908
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 5: right below Mike if writes a memoir that he's going

909
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: to do like three three chapters on the memoir him,

910
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: I just heard whispers that he wasn't happy. There's another

911
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: Mike Florio on the scene, which it makes sense that

912
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: there's another you're Mike Florio, then there's another Mike Florio

913
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: that arrives and that this has caused some consternation in

914
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 5: your rise because you've had a great rise here. You're

915
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: what a researcher at one point and now now an

916
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: on air talent.

917
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he apparently he doesn't like me very much, or

918
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 8: or my name, which I'm like, we have the same name,

919
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 8: you would we do the same thing.

920
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 2: We have a lot in common.

921
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: It's not your personality, Thoments, it's the it's the overlap.

922
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: This can't be true. It's on his radar. Yeah.

923
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 8: I was shocked when I heard I was even on

924
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Speaker 8: his radar. I was like, oh I because it was

925
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Speaker 8: like a year or two ago. I was like, oh,

926
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Speaker 8: I didn't even think.

927
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Speaker 3: Did you add the F because of him?

928
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

929
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: They they want you to change your name.

930
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Speaker 8: I didn't want to go by a name that I

931
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Speaker 8: is not my name, because then I wouldn't respond to.

932
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Speaker 2: It, Like if you were like you are him, Yeah,

933
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: you're Mike Floria. So I was. But the funniest thing

934
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: is a lot of people think he's my dad.

935
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Speaker 4: Right, So I get you.

936
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Speaker 5: He talks about his kid all the time. He has

937
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Speaker 5: he has one son, and he talks about him all

938
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Speaker 5: the time. And he's old enough that he's he's not

939
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Speaker 5: quite his old d but I think he's in his twenties.

940
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Speaker 2: So okay.

941
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Speaker 3: But when we would get emails from you when you

942
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: were in research way back when, like I was like,

943
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: that's got to probably be Mike Florio's son, right, like

944
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: he's in football. He's stuck in on the concept.

945
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: Investigator was like, it's got to be a son. Yeah, No,

946
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Speaker 2: my dad's name is Frank. He does not work in

947
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Speaker 2: sports at all. Home.

948
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Speaker 5: What would the option be not go by Mike. I

949
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: think that's ridiculous. Otherly, you're younger, and I think you've

950
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: got a chance. You're you're going to take over.

951
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Somebody has used to.

952
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 8: Pass the name Torch to me there. They wanted me

953
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Speaker 8: to go by Frank because and I was like, no,

954
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 8: that's my dad. That's that's what I can't Frank.

955
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: But you're getting you're getting dinged. You said for like

956
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Speaker 3: you go and pro footballs.

957
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: You're mentioned. Maybe that's it. He's getting a lot of.

958
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 8: Question For years, I would get like mentions the people

959
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 8: being like how are you reporting on this?

960
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I am not reporting.

961
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Speaker 8: For a while, Cynthia Frielan was asking me to send

962
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 8: all of those tweets to her, and she would just

963
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Speaker 8: tell people like no, it's it's not him.

964
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Speaker 2: But but just to put a bow on this one.

965
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Speaker 4: P F p F T.

966
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Speaker 1: Florio hasn't reached out to NFL. Florio one on one.

967
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: I've never spoken. You should have some kind of say

968
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: okay something.

969
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Speaker 1: Michael Florio, thank you very much. Marcus Grant, thank you

970
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: very much. Check out the guy's content on NFL dot Com,

971
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Speaker 1: on NFL Network, on NFL Plus.

972
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Speaker 2: These guys will win you titles.

973
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Speaker 4: The NFL Fantasy Pod, all of it bang a lot

974
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Speaker 4: of content.

975
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Speaker 6: I guess if you just go to the app right

976
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 6: like it, supposedly, everything's going to be in there at

977
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Speaker 6: some point.

978
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Speaker 2: That's what they tell us.

979
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Speaker 1: Allegedly, we just just prop us up like Mannekins, will

980
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Speaker 1: do what we need to do, put us in the

981
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Speaker 1: right silos.

982
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Speaker 6: Point me at a camera and microphone, and I'll just

983
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Speaker 6: talk for a few minutes.

984
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Speaker 2: All right, boys, thank you, It's it.

985
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Speaker 4: All right.

986
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: We are back. Our next heavy hitter.

987
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Speaker 1: Covers the NFL in the Fantasy World for NBC Sports.

988
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Many know him as Rodo Pat His mother knows him

989
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: as Patrick Darth.

990
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: What's up, Bud? Not much.

991
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 9: I feel like I'm watching highlights of Super Bowl twelve

992
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 9: and eleven thirty Central on your network.

993
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 10: I love it.

994
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: As I've said on this on this special before, Roto

995
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Pad holds a special place in my heart.

996
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 2: Frist of all a mensch, just a good guy.

997
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: But also the only fantasy column I read every week

998
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: is his Rotal World column when he goes through each

999
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: matchup and and it has helped me win titles. So

1000
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Speaker 1: I got to bring that to the audience and again, sincerely,

1001
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: thank you sir for all your help through the years.

1002
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Speaker 9: It's my pleasure and I have to give you thanks.

1003
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 9: You gave me one of the only compliments that's ever

1004
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 9: really stuck with me.

1005
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 10: I think it was you.

1006
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 9: I don't remember, as you were in Mark Hopes, but

1007
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 9: you praised my thought strangeness. You were talking about my

1008
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 9: writing style, and you praised my thought strangeness, and that's

1009
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 9: like exactly what I go for.

1010
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Speaker 5: Okay, well, I think praises It sounds like something Mark

1011
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 5: would say.

1012
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: We've talked about roto Pats.

1013
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: But when you can tell on Rotor World like, oh

1014
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: that's his blurb, right, it's not any it's clearly his

1015
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: because he's gone down an avenue of snarkiness, slash, a

1016
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: little bit left of center, take in its loud. It

1017
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Speaker 3: makes it the site all that more enjoyable. I'm glad

1018
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: to see waiting to see how you rebrand Rotor World.

1019
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 3: For the fourteenth time.

1020
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Speaker 2: You know, an off season from.

1021
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Speaker 5: Now, you're still doing blurbs though, right, are you out

1022
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 5: of the game.

1023
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: You're in the blurb I'm not all the way out.

1024
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Speaker 10: I'm less in the game than I used to be,

1025
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 10: but I'm still blurbing.

1026
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: Like that was that was the moves when I when

1027
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 5: I was there, I tried to set the framework at

1028
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 5: some point, maybe you get off the blurbs because it's

1029
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: it's like a gristmill, you know, you got to get

1030
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Speaker 5: off the blurbs point.

1031
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: You do ten to fifteen blurbs per I've missed the

1032
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Speaker 1: last part of that.

1033
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Speaker 9: Like hours is what I aim for. But is right,

1034
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 9: Blurbing is the most difficult first world job.

1035
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: On the planet.

1036
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 9: Like it's just like there the definition of a first

1037
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 9: world problem job where you're just reading Twitter all day.

1038
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 9: But there's something about it that is so grueling and

1039
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 9: soul runs.

1040
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: It was fun, fun, you just robbing souls.

1041
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: No, I enjoyed it. It was like it really was

1042
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 4: the framework and it.

1043
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: Was it was fun. Employee totally different.

1044
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 5: It was great to work with the pat back in

1045
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: the day. And I'm glad that you're still there. You know,

1046
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 5: it's like many people we're gonna have. Evan Silvan have

1047
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 5: gone on to do other great things, but you are

1048
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 5: the connection still for me personally, so that's important.

1049
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: That's between my era and now.

1050
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 9: I signed in Atlanta brave style contract where they got

1051
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 9: me under for one hundred years at the age of

1052
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Speaker 9: twenty two.

1053
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 5: So can I ask you about some a news item

1054
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: that just popped by the way this week at least,

1055
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 5: which was Richardson? Where are you at on Anthony Richardson?

1056
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: Where he should be in fantasy drafts? Because now that

1057
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 5: you know we's start in Week one, that kind of

1058
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 5: takes I don't know where he's settling in average draft position.

1059
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 5: I would be extremely intrigued to have him on my team.

1060
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 5: I'm kind of not worried about where he's getting taken.

1061
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 10: Well, you asked him, so he was a guy who

1062
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 10: was gonna talk about.

1063
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 9: We're one of like the loose question we threw around,

1064
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 9: maybe come up here is who am I worried about?

1065
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 9: And I'm just a little worried about Anthony Richardson, who,

1066
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 9: depending on who you ask, could be a huge ADP

1067
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 9: value or it could be a huge ADP reach.

1068
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 10: He's like the QB ten or eleven.

1069
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 9: And it's just because of Justin Fields, because of Jalen Hurts,

1070
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 9: because of Josh Allen, because of Lamar Jackson. I think

1071
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 9: fantasy managers have kind of become conditioned to think, well,

1072
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 9: he's a quarterback who can run, like guaranteed top ten

1073
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 9: fantasy season, and like kind of the belief that like

1074
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 9: these insane dual threat seasons grow on trees when you

1075
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 9: know they just don't. Like, we didn't get that from

1076
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 9: Justin Fields as a rookie. We kind of got it

1077
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 9: from Lamar Jackson his half season as a rookie. We

1078
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 9: kind of got it from Jalen Hurts his half season

1079
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 9: as a rookie. We didn't get it from Josh Allen.

1080
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 9: It's a team, you know, kind of like rebuilding from

1081
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 9: the ground up. He needs Jonathan Taylor for cover.

1082
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 10: We don't really know.

1083
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 9: I think Jonathan Taylor will be out there Week one.

1084
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 9: There's just so much moving parts for a prospect who

1085
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 9: is so inexperienced, you know, barely basically played one season

1086
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 9: of college football. He is is My colleague Kyle de

1087
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 9: Worschick always says he's Dereck Henry in a quarterback's body.

1088
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 9: That will help with the rushing, of course, and the

1089
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 9: duel throughout goodness and fantasy. But he seems like a

1090
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 9: guy who has the ceiling to be like an absolute

1091
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 9: fantasy legend that where I am waiting one year and

1092
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 9: then of course missing.

1093
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 10: Out and everyone's laughing at me. But he is someone

1094
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 10: I'm worried about for this season.

1095
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 5: That's fair that you need like a little bit of rushing.

1096
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 5: I mean a little bit of passing, because Josh Allen

1097
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: actually did run quite well as a rookie, but you're right,

1098
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: his passing was so forgettable that he didn't really matter.

1099
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 5: I guess I figure if you could draft another quarterback

1100
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 5: with him.

1101
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: That's Was there anything more predictable than Anthony Richardson being

1102
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: named starter as soon as humanly possible?

1103
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: Again, now, it seems that the.

1104
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: Fingerprints from ownership are all over this, to the point

1105
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: where the headline on ESPN dot Com is like Richardson

1106
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: shock to be named starting quarterback. It's like they we

1107
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't need to go down that route. We're gonna focus

1108
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks here with roto Pat. I famously am in

1109
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: a two quarterback league, as you know, Pat, and so

1110
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks win leagues for us, We'll have multiple quarterbacks coming

1111
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: off the board in the first round in our league.

1112
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: It's not like that obviously in the majority of leagues.

1113
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: You brought up Lamar Jackson, he's going top five in

1114
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback game.

1115
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Still, where are you at with him?

1116
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Are you buying in on all the talk? You know,

1117
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: he's freshly paid, he's got more weapons. Are we gonna

1118
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: get get MVP level? Lamar back is do you feel

1119
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: safe making that pick in twenty twenty three?

1120
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: I do?

1121
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 10: And you know, some of it is kind of narrative based,

1122
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 10: like as.

1123
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 9: You mentioned with the contract, he finally paid, like as

1124
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 9: if that magically changes everything. But it did seem like,

1125
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 9: and I'm not saying this at all is a judgment

1126
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 9: on the player. It seemed like last year, if he

1127
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 9: had been paid, he probably maybe could have come back

1128
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 9: for the final game or two of the season. That

1129
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 9: is pure speculation. It was the albatross hanging over the

1130
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 9: entire franchise. It's finally gone. The other thing, of course,

1131
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 9: was Greg Roman's offense, which the players were basically openly

1132
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 9: disdainful of.

1133
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 10: By the end.

1134
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 9: I mean, Lamar talked about opposing defenses like literally calling

1135
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 9: out the plays just seemed like something that needed to

1136
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 9: be refreshed in fantasy. We wanted it to be something

1137
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 9: refreshed with something more pass heavy, because in fantasy, it's like,

1138
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 9: even if the Ravens become a more passing oriented offense,

1139
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 9: it's not like.

1140
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 10: The running's ever gonna go away. For Lamar Jackson.

1141
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 9: It's not like his signature attribute it's suddenly just going

1142
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 9: to disappear. He's going to scramble, there's going to be

1143
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 9: design runs, there's going to be like game breaking plays,

1144
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 9: and it's finally pairing that with something not only more

1145
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 9: passing oriented, but something passing oriented.

1146
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 10: With actual receivers. Last year, I looked.

1147
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 9: Up with Lamar his final full game, his receiver trio

1148
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 9: was Deshaun Jackson, Devin Duverne, and Tamarcus Robinson.

1149
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 10: Just a very very hard.

1150
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 9: Way to make a living and real life and in

1151
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 9: fantasy football kind of does everything has changed.

1152
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rush back either that with that trio.

1153
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 9: No, no, And it's it's some of its narrative base,

1154
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 9: but it's a narrative that makes sense. And I do

1155
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 9: think we are finally getting like a return to glorya

1156
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 9: Lamar Jackson Season four years after he won the MVP.

1157
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: I for people that are maybe newer to Fantasy, I

1158
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: think you know, when I was young, I always wanted

1159
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: to go quarterback early because it's like it's all you know,

1160
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are your heroes and all this stuff. It throws

1161
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: me a little bit with the way that you have

1162
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 3: some of these duelst guys like Ramandre Stevenson right now

1163
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: has a higher ADP than Jalen Hurts, Kyle Pitts over

1164
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. Then you've got like t J. Hawkinson over

1165
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Like what is your when you're drafting your teams,

1166
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: Like how do you where are you with the whole

1167
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: quarterback things? I know it's like, oh, it doesn't matter,

1168
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 3: take them late, which I just more like I want

1169
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: to take a great quarterback early and feel like he's

1170
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: going to be the centerpiece of this whole thing.

1171
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: That's why I should have two QB leagues because QB's

1172
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: run the NFL. Why would you have fantasy not have

1173
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: them have the value that they deserve.

1174
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: All right, I'll shut up.

1175
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 10: No, it's an extremely good rant. And yeah, near like

1176
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 10: the end.

1177
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 9: Of like the Brady Breeze Roethlisberger, like Philip Rivers era.

1178
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 9: It had become like comical where it's the most important

1179
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 9: position in global sports and like, yeah, I'm not even

1180
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 9: going to draft a quarterback. You know, I'll wait till September.

1181
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 9: Third oh, I had Kirk Cousins.

1182
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 10: On the waiver wire.

1183
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 9: Like it became like, you know, like a staring contest

1184
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 9: basically who could be like the hardest drafter in the

1185
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 9: league and never taking a quarterback?

1186
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 5: But the dual threats exactly yeah, wait sure he just

1187
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 5: left his quarterback spot.

1188
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 9: Blankell season went oh and thirteen, but I really admire

1189
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 9: his character. But the like this crop of dual threats

1190
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 9: and finally, like the turnover of talent at the time,

1191
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 9: like this, the infusion of young pocket passing talent and

1192
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes Joe Burrow, it really like reinvigorated the quarterback position.

1193
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 9: It's a savvier drafting public now, so it's harder to

1194
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 9: get late on quarterback. It used to be like you

1195
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 9: could just get like someone like the next Jalen Hurts

1196
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 9: like the thir eleventh round. People have gotten why is that?

1197
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 9: And it still doesn't match their real life value. But

1198
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 9: quarterback values ADPs have really crept up the past two years,

1199
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 9: where it was like the fifth or sixth round you

1200
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 9: could wait for Patrick Mahomes a few years ago. Now

1201
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 9: it's sometimes it's the second, usually like the third or

1202
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 9: the fourth, and I am taking quarterbacks earlier, especially even

1203
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 9: like these industry leagues where you really risk like mockery,

1204
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 9: but it helps so much to have that high baseline

1205
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 9: of points and it's just become harder to stream quarterbacks

1206
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 9: because everyone is so much savvier. So and it's an

1207
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 9: advantage like not have to worry about streaming every week

1208
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 9: and using or even using like a few fab dollars

1209
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 9: on a quarterback. So quarterback bottomed out, it's rising again.

1210
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 9: It's never gonna be like first or second round quarterback,

1211
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 9: but it's much more now like third or fourth round

1212
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 9: instead of fifth.

1213
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 5: Or Yeah, it really I think the game changed, like five,

1214
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: five or six guys, seven guys are going in the

1215
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: first five rounds, like you can't wait as long. But

1216
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 5: I do think there's something too, you know, Alan hurts

1217
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 5: Lamar specifically, and if you like Fields and Richardson would

1218
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 5: be a lower tier of this that like I feel

1219
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 5: like I'm fine reaching early for those guys, and then

1220
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 5: you do feel like a comfort maybe don't wait forever,

1221
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 5: but like if you do have a Goth or a

1222
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 5: Stafford or a Gino, like you just get your steady

1223
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 5: guy later. And that's where the real life value doesn't

1224
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 5: match up with fantasy and it's like you compare those

1225
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 5: two together, then it's kind of like we talked about

1226
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 5: with Marcus and Florida earlier with not worrying about Alvin

1227
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 5: Kamara missing three games, Like if Lamar Jackson misses half

1228
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 5: the season, but he's full Lamar Jackson QB one for

1229
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 5: the half that you get him, that's actually a ton

1230
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 5: of value because if you're confident in being able to

1231
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 5: fill that gap with some other guy, with Derek Carror

1232
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 5: whatever the rest of the time.

1233
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 9: Now I have the top one or two tiers I

1234
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 9: feel like are more separated than they are at some

1235
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 9: point in like fantasy history. So there is like a

1236
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 9: big difference between like the top six or seven quarterbacks.

1237
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 9: But that being said, it's still like it still goes

1238
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two deep, right.

1239
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 5: Like Rock He's just going thirteenth a quarterback to us

1240
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 5: going eleventh, I mean Dak like.

1241
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 9: Russell Wilson's like going like QB twenty depending on where

1242
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 9: you're playing, like who could be a pretty obvious bounce back,

1243
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 9: but the better, the better supporting cast than Sean Payton.

1244
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 9: So I think the high like the top one or

1245
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 9: two tiers, there's a bigger separation than there is sometimes,

1246
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 9: but it's still the deepest position in fantasy. And if

1247
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 9: you don't want to use that earlier on Capitol, you're

1248
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 9: gonna be able to stream. It's a little more work,

1249
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 9: but you're still gonna be able to.

1250
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: Do wear are you on?

1251
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Like what would be your approach be to Deshaun Watson?

1252
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: Do you look at the overall career or do you

1253
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: look like the disaster from last season?

1254
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: Do you just stay away entirely?

1255
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 4: It is weird.

1256
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 9: I mean some of like these guys, even when they're

1257
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 9: still like prime age where it's still twenty seven to

1258
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 9: twenty eight, missing a season does something strange to an athlete.

1259
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 9: But I'm still I'm viewing it basically as this is

1260
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 9: the real follow up to his twenty two twenty where

1261
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 9: the last time we saw Deshaun Watson play full football

1262
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 9: season he played in an MVP level. The supporting cast

1263
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 9: didn't get like infinitely better, but it got better like

1264
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 9: he has another deep threat and Cedric Tillman. They have

1265
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 9: another underneath guy and Elijah Moore. Who knows if Elijah

1266
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 9: Moore is actually good? In fact, with Elijah Moore, I

1267
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 9: heard like I heard, something's fun is good, Like, oh,

1268
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 9: they're getting him on like jet sweeps and screens like

1269
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 9: when I heard this, Oh wow, it means they don't

1270
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 9: know how to get him the ball. That seems bad,

1271
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 9: but it is a deeper supporting cast. They're not gonna

1272
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 9: have to remake the offense on the fly like they

1273
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 9: did last year when he returned. And it does seem

1274
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 9: like we're probably going to get something much closer to

1275
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 9: twenty twenty Deshaun Watson than we did to twenty twenty

1276
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 9: two Deshaun Watts.

1277
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because you talked about in

1278
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: these names that popped up ready pocket passers. You know,

1279
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: guys like Cousins Rogers at this point, although he does

1280
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: have mobility, but he's older, Derek Carr, same type of situation.

1281
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Stafford.

1282
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: Certainly, these are guys that, if they're healthy, you could

1283
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of lock him in to give you nice production.

1284
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: But does it make more sense too if you're gonna

1285
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: wait that long for those type of guys to go.

1286
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: Pick Daniel Jones instead with the old life hack that

1287
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: you're getting the rushing even if the upside is a

1288
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: passer is least where do you come down to that

1289
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: you take in a locked and loaded pocket guy or

1290
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: a more rangey type player who might not be as good.

1291
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 9: Probably go for the rangey at least the first because

1292
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 9: the pocket guy is always going to be there on

1293
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 9: the waiver wire. And like you mentioned Daniel Jones, who

1294
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 9: had a career year and still did not get in

1295
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 9: the top twelve at quarterback last year, you could go

1296
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 9: like much crazier and like the crazy guy this year

1297
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 9: is Sam Howell and likes he especially named the starter

1298
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 9: I can't even remember, but.

1299
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: Not official official, but basically the.

1300
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 9: Guy with some running juice, the guy who has two

1301
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 9: really good young receivers.

1302
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 10: Pretty good overall.

1303
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 9: So I mean, I'm just saying to Greg, maybe one

1304
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 9: of your frustrations is fantasy.

1305
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 10: It doesn't matter if you're good in real life.

1306
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 4: I have a difference, no frustration.

1307
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 5: I think I think you're I think that's a great

1308
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 5: late QB two if you don't want to bother to

1309
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: take your second quarterback until the very end. If you're

1310
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 5: in a one quarterback league. Howell was chucking people in college.

1311
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 5: I think he can throw the ball a little bit.

1312
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 5: Like to me, he's a perfect late guy. It's funny

1313
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 5: how little respect Daniel Jones gets. I mean I looked

1314
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 5: at it.

1315
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 10: I will quote never respect right.

1316
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 5: I looked at his QBR like QBR over the decades,

1317
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 5: and Daniel Jones's QBR rushing value, which was about the

1318
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 5: same as Alan and Hurts last year, was comparable to

1319
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 5: like Michael Vick's best seasons as a runner.

1320
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 4: Like, that's the level of production you were getting.

1321
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: So if you get anything out of him passing and

1322
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 5: you didn't get much last year, uh, that's.

1323
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 4: Actually not a maybe a bad value.

1324
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 5: Play either, And if something is maybe repeat who though,

1325
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 5: who's your favorite of all these guys, who are your

1326
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 5: favorite QB targets?

1327
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 9: The guy I'm ending up with the most again and

1328
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 9: guaranteeing I will be hurt again is justin Herbert. Because

1329
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 9: everyone knows real football fantasy, you don't hit your wag

1330
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 9: into the Chargers because every year they will have the

1331
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 9: best roster in the NFL. They don't have the best

1332
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 9: roster in the f they have a good roster. Everything

1333
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 9: every dot connects for Justin Herbert, who threw for forty

1334
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 9: seven hundred yards last year, even though he was like

1335
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 9: on the Drew Berees rib plan like every week though

1336
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 9: they actually had six cracked ribs for Justin Herbert, not

1337
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 9: too and it.

1338
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 10: Was one of those things were seeing like the number

1339
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 10: got bigger every week.

1340
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: But he Drew Brees thing. I remember that a couple It.

1341
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: Gets the point where he had more cracked ribs than

1342
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: any humans.

1343
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: Everything available, Yeah, but the Charge.

1344
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 10: They swapped out Joe Lombardi for Kellen Moore.

1345
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 9: They added another first round receiver in Quentin Johnson, who

1346
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 9: some people think will be a bust.

1347
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: Uh. I mean the.

1348
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 9: Chargers of Lucy with the football, but I mean he

1349
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 9: was already almost knocking on the Mahomes tier two years

1350
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 9: ago and he still was like halfway there, even playing

1351
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 9: hurt all your last season. Kellen Moore has been so

1352
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 9: good for fantasy. Joe Lombardy was so bad for We

1353
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 9: just hope with Justin Herbert that it really was the

1354
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 9: coordinating that was conservative and not the player who was conservative,

1355
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 9: and that Justin Herbert is ready to be more aggressive

1356
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 9: and throw deep, but it seems like every dock connects

1357
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 9: for Justin Herbert to really kind of like rejoin that

1358
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 9: elite tier this year.

1359
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: I want to ask you quickly about another rookie, Bryce Young.

1360
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm seeing.

1361
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: I get these aren't these aren't sexy names, but he

1362
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 3: is adped above. Can you Pickett rock Party? I mean,

1363
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: can I like Rock Party? Jimmy g Like, I get

1364
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: these are not guys who are gonna go after early,

1365
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: but I mean what we've seen from the Panthers so far,

1366
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: their offensive line and everything else, Like, I don't think

1367
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: I'm drafting Bryce Young necessarily high at all.

1368
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 9: No, And I did an article. You could question the

1369
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 9: worth of this article. I ranked all thirty two of

1370
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 9: like the offensive environments, because a good tiebreaker if you

1371
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 9: can't decide between like player A or player B, like

1372
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 9: I don't know any difference between these players, is the

1373
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 9: overall offensive environment. I did rank the Panthers thirty two because,

1374
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 9: like you said, there's the lying questions. There's some interesting

1375
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 9: people in the receiver corps, but I mean, this is

1376
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 9: like a really like on the fly receiver corps, and

1377
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 9: this kind of just seems like a wait till next year.

1378
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 9: Skill group, and they're gonna do the tough thing where

1379
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 9: they're gonna put the number one overall pick into like

1380
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 9: a really bad environment and just hope it doesn't kill

1381
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 9: his career.

1382
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 10: But it might not be that bad.

1383
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 9: But the Panthers, when I think of like fantasy points,

1384
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 9: I do view the Panthers as like a dead last

1385
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 9: unit in the entire NFL and such Bryce Young is

1386
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 9: not on any of my draft.

1387
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: Last thing for you, sir, and thank you again, and

1388
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: check out roto pat Over on NBC Sports. Herbert's kind

1389
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: of your guy. You keep coming back to him and drafts.

1390
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: Who's like, you're not on my team guy, Like doesn't

1391
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: matter what the draft circumstances are. Every draft's different, Like

1392
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: you end up never drafting this guy. Is it Daniel

1393
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: Jones based on these comments? Or is another quarterback that

1394
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: you just don't want anything to do with even though

1395
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: some people or maybe higher on the player.

1396
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 10: There's no one, truly.

1397
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 9: I am kind of a classic, like the ADP's right,

1398
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 9: I'll be honest, like the it's weird, it's the real

1399
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 9: life stuff makes it a little hard to draft Deshaun Watson.

1400
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 10: But no, I mean justin.

1401
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: Fields, the RLS real life stuff makes it.

1402
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, justin Yeah, you don't have to draft

1403
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 5: creeps on your fantasy team.

1404
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 4: You absolutely can make decisions about that.

1405
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: It's it's fine, you said it.

1406
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 10: No mean, I'm not drafting Josh Allen a lot, I'll

1407
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 10: say where I do. I wonder.

1408
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 9: I feel like we're getting like this board with Bills hype,

1409
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 9: and that's leading them to be undervalued. Yeah, and like

1410
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 9: the real NFL and fantasy, but I do sort of

1411
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 9: feel like maybe the Allen thing has already peaked and

1412
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 9: that they're gonna get serious about trying to protect him

1413
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 9: more this year, which good for him in real life,

1414
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 9: not good in fantasy.

1415
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 5: Well, he didn't run nearly as much people kind of

1416
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 5: forget in his second and third seasons he was more

1417
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 5: around four to five hundred yards, and then the last

1418
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 5: two seasons actually cranked way back up where he was,

1419
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 5: you know, incredibly effective rusher, and it sounds like they're

1420
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 5: gonna maybe dial it back. You're right, but he does

1421
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 5: throw for thirty five touchdowns every year, and a tonny.

1422
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 9: The Bills have like an offensive identity crisis, I feel like,

1423
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 9: and they have like an unsettled skill course still where

1424
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 9: it's like, is Dalton k and Kaid like the number

1425
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 9: two passing game weapon that seems like maybe not a

1426
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 9: good situation, like if he's your number two and it's.

1427
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 10: Either him or Gabe Davis.

1428
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 9: But I just like since that identity crisis from the

1429
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 9: bills down the stretch last year, and I don't really

1430
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 9: know what they've done to fix it, Like the backfield

1431
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 9: didn't get markedly better, the skill corps did not get

1432
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 9: markedly better. And it just all comes down to like

1433
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 9: Josh Allen like Man of Steel, and that works until

1434
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 9: it doesn't. And I am worried that they're going to

1435
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 9: finally start dialing that back against like Greg said, they

1436
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 9: kicked it up to I would argue unsustainable levels the

1437
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 9: past two years.

1438
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: Roto Pat, you've said it all. Thank you, my friend.

1439
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: I look forward to reading you throughout the upcoming campaign.

1440
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: Stay healthy, kid, I look.

1441
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 10: Forward to listening. Thank you so much for having.

1442
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 4: Me gave me.

1443
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1444
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,479
Speaker 3: I love that guy, great writer like that. I'm glad

1445
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 3: he remembered that comment. Who said it or me right?

1446
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: I've always enjoyed his writing. I enjoy any writing that

1447
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: has a little humor to it. He that just drops

1448
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 3: those little singers in that you just don't read often,

1449
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 3: especially in this world.

1450
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 5: Great tweeter, I mean, especially what other world would you

1451
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 5: be re in my like fantasy?

1452
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh all, it could be a very dry literally earth like.

1453
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of writing happening elsewhere as far

1454
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: as we know.

1455
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: How do you know?

1456
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: Bo Greg certainly doesn't believe there is. I think there

1457
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 3: could be.

1458
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: It came up with Tucker Kama Ross on Monday, and

1459
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: it just came up again, and in general, Deshaun Watson

1460
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: is just an interesting conversation as we are now hitting

1461
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty three season. We talked about twenty twenty

1462
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: what he was, How did he this is what Ross

1463
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: made the point, how did he perform like a superstar

1464
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: with a terrible Texans team that lost twelve games? And

1465
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: I just pulled up the depth chart because we know

1466
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: the Browns have I think a pretty solid Cores wide receiver,

1467
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: maybe a little iffy, but obviously the offensive line is sturdy.

1468
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: The running back I think is the best pure runner

1469
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: in the sport.

1470
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: Here is the Texans.

1471
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: The last game of the season twenty twenty, Brandon Cooks

1472
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: Kiki Kute forgot about him.

1473
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 4: He's got cut.

1474
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: Actually, Darren Fells at tight end. David Johnson was still

1475
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: there at running back with Duke Johnson backing him up.

1476
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: That's a mess you had learning Mee Tunsel the anchor

1477
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: at left tackle, a young tunsl the Brown setup is

1478
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: better and we'll see.

1479
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: But he's right too.

1480
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: I thought Rhodopet made the point like sometimes these guys

1481
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: disappear and the magic is just gone. So and then

1482
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: to the Greg of it all, like do you want

1483
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: to creep on your team? I, you know, if it

1484
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: puts money in my pocket?

1485
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like when I I'm sorry to be

1486
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: have no scruples, Greg, No.

1487
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't mean that.

1488
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 5: It's the same thing as like if you're a Jets fan,

1489
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 5: maybe you want you don't want Patriots on your fantasy team,

1490
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 5: or maybe you don't care about I don't think one

1491
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 5: way or is wrong or the other. But if you're

1492
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 5: like me and you just want guys that you want

1493
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 5: to root for, and for instance, you don't like the Jets,

1494
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 5: you don't feel like drafted him like you don't have to,

1495
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 5: it's all like most of it is.

1496
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: Well, you're a smart man, Greg, you right to use

1497
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: like personal biases, And I know Watson's a whole other category,

1498
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: but that's the way.

1499
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 5: It's such a small person, you're narrowing your but like

1500
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 5: by like an infinitesimal amount, Like what would really take

1501
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 5: to like if you have five or six players in

1502
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 5: the league that you just I have a million of

1503
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 5: those biases where you just kind of like some players

1504
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 5: more than the others, and you take guys that you

1505
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 5: like because it's not gonna be any or less.

1506
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: At The one annoying thing about fantasy is when I'm

1507
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 3: sitting there watching twelve games at once and I'm rooting

1508
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: for six teams, I can't stand because of some guy attending.

1509
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, Like, if you want to

1510
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: be cutthroat, you don't worry about any of that stuff.

1511
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: But I feel like the roster has energy, and like

1512
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 3: there's a there's a player I don't like. It's giving

1513
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 3: me weird feelings about my own fantasy team. It's my fantasy,

1514
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: it's my fantasy point I have, regardless on whether he's

1515
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: on your team or not. I guess I was part

1516
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: of my point too.

1517
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: Like, so it's like if Watson, for instance, has a

1518
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: big it might be annoying to you that he has

1519
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: a big year, But it's not gonna change either way

1520
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: whether or not he's on your team.

1521
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 5: I mean, my point is, like the idea of being

1522
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 5: cutthroat or not, or like trying to remove all biases,

1523
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 5: it's not gonna change your chances of winning your league

1524
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 5: or not much either way. We all have a million

1525
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 5: different biases that go into all of these sorts of decisions.

1526
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, fantasy football, and this is

1527
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 5: why I like it on some level, is almost mostly lucky.

1528
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 4: It's mostly luck.

1529
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 5: The most important thing that goes into fantasy by far

1530
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 5: is luck, and you're trying to work on the other

1531
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 5: thirty percent twenty percent that's not luck. And just have

1532
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 5: fun doing it. It's it's a fun activity. But you

1533
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 5: don't have to put you know, you don't have to

1534
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 5: go too crazy. If you don't like Deshaun Watson bury him.

1535
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm with you. I just you.

1536
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: You're an analytical mind, Greg and you don't believe in momentum.

1537
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: And now you're saying you could eliminate all these different

1538
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: players just because you don't like them. It does slightly

1539
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: affect your chances over someone that has a completely broad

1540
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: view of who's the best of all.

1541
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 5: Bet I guess, and I'm thinking of Wes two when

1542
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 5: we do this episode. Like the way we looked at

1543
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 5: Fantasy was taking guys with huge ceilings, guys you wanted,

1544
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 5: and in the end, like I guess, we were a

1545
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 5: little different than Pat who says that the right ADP

1546
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 5: had take almost anyone. There probably was a group of

1547
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,479
Speaker 5: like fifty players that those who were gonna be my list.

1548
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 5: It's kind of how the Patriots do NFL drafts. Like

1549
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 5: I have guys I truly believe are going to be

1550
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 5: good this year. I'm basically gonna take those players and

1551
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 5: there's probably only about like thirty thirty five of them,

1552
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 5: and that that's fine. So you're eliminating a million players,

1553
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 5: but you're counting on kind of your evaluation.

1554
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 4: That's how the Patriots run their drafts.

1555
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 5: And maybe maybe it's not the small A little Bill

1556
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 5: Belichick over here there you go, Yes, Bill wasn't against me.

1557
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 5: Take the guys, problematic guys, I Antonio Brown, take the

1558
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 5: guys you like is the point. Take the guys that

1559
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 5: you really believe.

1560
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it about Antonio Brown on our podcast,

1561
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: I will not forget that ever wild you guys were

1562
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: going at it, he would questioned your integrity with very

1563
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: it got personal.

1564
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 5: It's very upset that the Patriots who are bringing in

1565
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 5: I miss that man.

1566
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get on the boat. Let's go fishing,

1567
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: and you know what we're looking for. Uh okay, I'm

1568
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna show my lack of outdoorsman, because I was gonna say,

1569
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: we're looking for big game.

1570
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 3: But that's more if you're hunting, that would be a

1571
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: land based animal.

1572
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: Eric, do you know, like if you're looking for something

1573
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: in the sea that's like a big catch.

1574
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: Is there some type of esoteric terminology.

1575
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 4: Fishing the line fishing rod? I think they call it

1576
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 4: a catch.

1577
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's throw it out there, the nis lore.

1578
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm not an outdoor as many of other guys.

1579
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: For some reason, I thought you might be.

1580
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: All right, I'm throwing it out there. Throw I got

1581
01:08:53,160 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: my line out. Oh I got a nibble. Mark me

1582
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: from behind by my hit.

1583
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: Yes I will.

1584
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: I'm rusting against me and then pull back. I'm latching

1585
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 3: onto you.

1586
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: Thrust again. Oh it happening. Rust pull, I got a

1587
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: big one on the line. Get him in the boat.

1588
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 1: It's heaven Silva, former brick by brickman at Rotal World

1589
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: and now doing his thing with his fancy man established

1590
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: the run background.

1591
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: Evan Silva, the big Fish. What's up, buddy, Welcome back.

1592
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 7: I'm doing really well. How are you guys? Doing?

1593
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: Very good but great? There?

1594
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 5: I like Beard, you look summer, Evan, this is this

1595
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 5: is Silva time of year.

1596
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

1597
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: Failed this season.

1598
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 5: It's busy during the season, but I feel like mid

1599
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 5: August to late August is when, uh, this is when Silva,

1600
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 5: you know, pays for all those Taylor Swift tickets for

1601
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 5: his daughter, which, by the.

1602
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 7: Way, life changer. I used to listening to like rap

1603
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 7: and like Creden's Clearwater Revival, and now I don't even

1604
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 7: listen to that stuff anymore. It's all t.

1605
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 1: Swift, Silva. Because I was at the Swift concert in LA.

1606
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: You're there, and because you're a man's man, you're a

1607
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: burly guy. Like are you letting yourself go and letting

1608
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: the music wash over you? Are you more like dad

1609
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: mode just letting it repel off you while you check

1610
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: your phone.

1611
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 7: I mean, there's definitely a sense of you know, it's

1612
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 7: awesome because my daughter loves it and she knows all

1613
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 7: the words, and you know it's it's a way for

1614
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 7: us to connect. But I mean, I genuinely like Taylor

1615
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,520
Speaker 7: Swift's music at this point.

1616
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 2: So good for you. Yeah.

1617
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: Now we have Evan on as we do every year,

1618
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: the Big Fish to talk about sleepers and busts, and

1619
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: this is I think this is one of the things

1620
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: that really define the real fantasy head, the guy that

1621
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: can nail these year after year, get us going with

1622
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: one of your favorite sleepers right now in fantasy drafts

1623
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three.

1624
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 7: And this is perfect timing because I literally just released

1625
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 7: my Sleepers and bust article on establisherun dot com, Boom

1626
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 7: and the last Night and it just got published.

1627
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 5: So I'll go subscribe people. This is him and Adam

1628
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,799
Speaker 5: Levittaian two of the best yep at.

1629
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 7: Established a run on Twitter, established the Run dot com

1630
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 7: on the Internet, first sleeper tank bigsby camp I mean

1631
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 7: rave reviews. He already got a snapped with the first

1632
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 7: team offense in the Jaguars preseason opener. The Jaguars were

1633
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 7: not pleased with Travis etn in short yardage and goal

1634
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 7: line situations last year. He's one of the least efficient

1635
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 7: runners in scoring position in the league. Tank Bigsby was

1636
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 7: really good in short yardage in goal line. Travis Etn

1637
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 7: also has been a little bit of a disappointment in

1638
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 7: the passing game. As a receiver. Tank Bigsby caught fifty

1639
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 7: one passes over his final two seasons at Auburn. I

1640
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 7: think he's gonna play a lot right away. I bet

1641
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 7: him at seventy five to one to win Offensive Rookie

1642
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 7: of the Year.

1643
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,480
Speaker 5: Now we're not allowed to do that as NFL employees,

1644
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,839
Speaker 5: but you know we are sponsored. You know the company

1645
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,839
Speaker 5: is at various times, so that that's a good one.

1646
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 4: I I love that because.

1647
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 5: Bigsby, Uh, sometimes you just assume that whatever role Etn

1648
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 5: had a year ago as a role that he's gonna

1649
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 5: have this year.

1650
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 4: It's like Bigsby's a third round pick.

1651
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 5: They like him, and his name is Tank and he

1652
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 5: actually looks like a tank versus Tank Dell, which is

1653
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 5: confusing that his name is Tank.

1654
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: Can I just here's what my pushback would be, or

1655
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: am I concern that maybe Tank is the new flavor

1656
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: in that room that the coaching staff likes. But atn

1657
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: who I do think has upset, but he's also a

1658
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: first round pick in twenty twenty one. I know Orba

1659
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: Meyer's history and all that, but like, are they gonna

1660
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: fade Etn enough this season where Tank's gonna get enough

1661
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: work to be a guy that you want in your

1662
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: lineup in the fantasy realm?

1663
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 7: That is the concern. I think Travis Etn is probably

1664
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 7: going to have a real solid season. It's just I

1665
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 7: think he's at risk of losing high value touch, high

1666
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 7: value touches to Tank Bigsbie. I mean, you want your

1667
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 7: running back scoring touchdowns and catching passes, and I think

1668
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 7: that there is some danger that Travis Etn faces. He

1669
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 7: risks losing a lot of that work to Tank. To

1670
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 7: Tank Bigsbie.

1671
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: Now Evan.

1672
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago on this you Know Annual episode,

1673
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 3: you and Greg got into it over Sam Darnold, a

1674
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: memorable verbal tussle and I and I kind of One

1675
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 3: thing I love about you is when you get on

1676
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 3: board with someone, it reminds me of West. There's an

1677
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 3: element of stubborn, like I'm not listening to anyone else,

1678
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 3: So who who's someone out there that maybe let's go

1679
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 3: negative a bust that you're like I can't believe that

1680
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 3: other people are this high on this player. What you

1681
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 3: see on tape, what Evan Silva observes does not agree.

1682
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 2: And hopefully Greg disagrees with Evan's take. Here we go.

1683
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 7: Well, I'm worried about Jonathan Taylor, Okay, just about the

1684
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 7: fallout with ownership. I think that they probably will end

1685
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 7: up patching that up before week one, but i think

1686
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 7: it's a concern that he's still having problems with his ankle,

1687
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 7: which he aggravated several He suffered a high ankle spraining.

1688
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 7: He really suffered multiple high ankle sprains last year. And

1689
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,879
Speaker 7: I'm also worried about the complexion of the Indianapolis offense

1690
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 7: with you know, throwing Anthony Richardson into the fire. I

1691
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 7: think that Anthony Richardson is going to have some special moments.

1692
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 7: I also think that the offense as a unit could struggle.

1693
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 7: They have two gaping holes on their offensive line at

1694
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 7: left tackle and right guard, and in college, Anthony Richardson

1695
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 7: rarely targeted running backs. So I'm worried that the offense

1696
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 7: isn't going to be very good, or at least that

1697
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 7: there's gonna be a lot of ups and downs. And

1698
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 7: then Jonathan Taylor isn't going to catch passes, which really

1699
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 7: isn't something that he's ever done a lot of previously,

1700
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 7: even going back to Wisconsin.

1701
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 5: I wish I could push back and we could recreate that,

1702
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 5: but you can't.

1703
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 4: You can't force it.

1704
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 5: I'm actually glad you brought that up because when we

1705
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 5: talked with Marcus and Mike Florio earlier, Josh Jacobs and

1706
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 5: Taylor were brought up kind of in tandem as these

1707
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 5: two guys around late second round that they both have

1708
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 5: their issues, and to me, Jacobs is such a safer

1709
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 5: bet just because of what his role is going to be,

1710
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 5: the type of player he is, the receiver that he is,

1711
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 5: and my confidence that he'll be back playing, whereas Taylor,

1712
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 5: to me, is very risky. It's interesting to me Remandre,

1713
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 5: Jacobs and Taylor are going around the same spot, and

1714
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 5: to me, I would love to have some Remandre. I'd

1715
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 5: love to have some Jacobs I'd be fine with, and Taylor,

1716
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 5: I'm with you, I would stay away. You know who's

1717
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: right above them.

1718
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: Though.

1719
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 5: I feel like we got to do this every year

1720
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 5: because you are the big fish and you love to

1721
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 5: talk about the big dog, and I do want to

1722
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 5: hear your other sleeper more sleepers than bus. But I

1723
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: am just curious where are you at with the big

1724
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 5: dog Dereck Henry, because he's still getting taken like he's

1725
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 5: the big dog Derrick Henry, I know, and I'm.

1726
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 7: Real worried about him. I mean he's starting I mean

1727
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 7: the mileage is really getting up there. He's twenty nine.

1728
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 7: Now you go back to Alabama. This dude had massive

1729
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 7: workloads in college and now he's, what you know, seven

1730
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 7: eight years into his NFL career, He's getting older. I'm

1731
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 7: really worried about the Titans offensive line. I mean our

1732
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 7: offensive line analyst Brandon Thorn ranked him is the worst

1733
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 7: offensive line in the league. And then they lost Jamarco Jones,

1734
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,799
Speaker 7: who they were planning on potentially being a starting guard.

1735
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: Ye.

1736
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,919
Speaker 7: So, and Derrick Henry has never caught a ton of passes,

1737
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 7: So I'm worried about him. I would have him on

1738
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 7: a bus list.

1739
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Two things.

1740
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: We had Ross Tucker talking offensive line earlier this week.

1741
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: He had them at number thirty two and of his

1742
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: offensive line rankings. And Treylon Burks got carted off the

1743
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: field at Titans joint practice today and Titans practice and

1744
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: We don't know what his situation is. That would not

1745
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: make the passing game any more scary if you took

1746
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: out that second year player.

1747
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot to be nervous about.

1748
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 5: Give us some other positives you got, you got some

1749
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 5: more sleepers.

1750
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 7: Maybe, maybe, Yeah, we can talk about Marvin Mims. You know,

1751
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 7: j Hamler is out in definitely, Tim Patrick is out

1752
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 7: for the season. I think Marvin Mims is gonna be

1753
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 7: a lock for three receiver sets playing opposite Courtland Sutton

1754
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 7: with Jerry Judy in the slot. Marvin Mims, I think,

1755
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 7: is a player that Sean Payton very much envisioned, like

1756
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks, who he drafted in the first round with

1757
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 7: the Saints back in twenty fourteen. Marvin Mims can really

1758
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 7: really run. He averaged almost twenty yards per catch during

1759
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 7: his college career. And Russell Wilson, I think, can still

1760
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 7: throw the deep ball. So I think Marvin Mims is

1761
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 7: gonna be a He's gonna have a chance to be

1762
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 7: a third receiver in fantasy.

1763
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: Tight end feels especially dicey right now in the fantasy realm.

1764
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: We know Kelsey's locked and loaded Andrews and then it

1765
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: gets a little weird. I mean, you got t J.

1766
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: Hockinson is going high in drafts. George Kittle. We love

1767
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: George Kittle, but is he a fantasy guy you can

1768
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: count on. Waller's had injury issues the last two years.

1769
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, So we talked about a little bit earlier,

1770
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: like what he's I feel like there are a lot

1771
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: of cases to be made for You have the rookie

1772
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: class that came in some interesting names, Sleepers and bus alike,

1773
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: Like who do you like who do you not like

1774
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: in that group?

1775
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 7: I think that if we're talking about the rookies this year,

1776
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 7: Luke Mutsgrave and Sam Laporta are going to be every

1777
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 7: down players right away. It's hard for rookie tight ends

1778
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 7: to make immediate impacts. I mean this is you know

1779
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 7: historically it's difficult because a tight end has to learn

1780
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 7: to be not just a tight end but also a

1781
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 7: receiver and also an offensive lineman because they got to

1782
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 7: be able to block to stay on the field. I

1783
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 7: think that Luke Musgrave, though, it's really interesting. In the

1784
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 7: first preseason game he played twelve of twelve first team

1785
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 7: snaps with Jordan Love, So I mean that they are

1786
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 7: fastbacking him. I also think that cade Aughton in Tampa Bay,

1787
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 7: if you're playing in like a deeper low give forty

1788
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 7: two catches as a rookie last year, and I think

1789
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 7: that he has a chance to be an every down

1790
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 7: player as well.

1791
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 3: I want to ask you more of a Phillis sophical question,

1792
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 3: because there are definitely fantasy people out there that, yeah,

1793
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 3: they'll watch the games on Sunday and there's eighteen televisions

1794
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 3: and stuff, but that's the end of the film watching.

1795
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: I know that you are a dogged film watcher, and

1796
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 3: a lot of sleepers and bus we don't even know

1797
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 3: about them today, like six seven, eight weeks into the season,

1798
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 3: the complexion has changed and guys are coming up out

1799
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and your draft is in tatters and you're

1800
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 3: searching the waiver wire. Like, what do you have to

1801
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 3: say about how much film people should be watching to

1802
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: actually know if you want to win these leagues versus

1803
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 3: being a casual.

1804
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 7: I would say that it's helpful to watch football. I

1805
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 7: would say that from a fantasy football standpoint, watching film

1806
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 7: can actually send you in the wrong direction at times,

1807
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 7: because you just get infatuated with a player's explosiveness or

1808
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 7: you know, if a guy looks good and you know,

1809
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 7: then you can you can become infatuated with that. What

1810
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 7: we really want in fantasy football, though, is to determine

1811
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 7: which players are going to get the most opportunities, and

1812
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 7: we want to kind of dig into the coach's minds

1813
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 7: and not just look at all, this player looks electrifying.

1814
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 7: You remember Amir Abdullah, Yeah, when he ripped off that

1815
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 7: monster run in the preseason and his ADP went from

1816
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 7: like the eighth round to like the third round. You know,

1817
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 7: it's that kind of a play that can stick in

1818
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 7: your mind and influence you to overrate a guy when

1819
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 7: a mere Abdullah had fumbling problems, you know, he had

1820
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 7: he couldn't really pass protect early in his career and

1821
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 7: he wound up being a bust.

1822
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1823
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 5: It's it's kind of the the yeah in the end,

1824
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 5: because one of the things is that I believed in too,

1825
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 5: is like you still want to bet on good players

1826
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,799
Speaker 5: once you're confident. Like we had mentioned the Bucks receivers

1827
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 5: this year not as good a situation, but there's still

1828
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 5: really good players Like to me, there could be value there.

1829
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 5: I mentioned Damian Pierce as a guy like to me,

1830
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 5: I feel confident he's a really good player. And I

1831
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 5: think this is situation will be good enough. Who is

1832
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 5: someone though that's a bust for you this year that

1833
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 5: maybe it is a good player. Maybe it's not like

1834
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 5: a big name, a big name that is quietly a

1835
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,919
Speaker 5: big established the run fan and he clicks that sleepers

1836
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 5: and bust list and he knows he's a big time

1837
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 5: fantasy guy and he sees his name and he's like, oh,

1838
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 5: I can't believe. I can't believe the big dog, the

1839
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 5: big fist that did me like that?

1840
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 7: Well, Bryce Hall was to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. Yeah,

1841
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 7: and then each ecl and his meniscus on October twenty third,

1842
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 7: and man, the signals coming from the Jets. You know,

1843
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 7: they were connected to Jamir Gibbs, they were connected to

1844
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 7: Jamal Williams. They wound up signing Dalvin Cook to a

1845
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 7: deal that was I mean, that's starter money in the NFL.

1846
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 7: And it makes me wonder if Aaron Rodgers was like,

1847
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 7: if he's the one pulling the strings there, because remember

1848
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 7: he took that pay cut, and he like, look, I

1849
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 7: want Dalvin in the backfield with me. I think then

1850
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 7: brief fall will be a factor in the second half

1851
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 7: of the season. Absolutely, as they ramp him up and

1852
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 7: as he gets further removed from that injury. But I'm

1853
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 7: worried that he's not going to be startable early in

1854
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 7: the season. And for a guy who's been going in

1855
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 7: the third in the fourth round, you want those guys

1856
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 7: to be starterable right off the bat. So, yeah, there's

1857
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 7: a lot of red flags on brief fall right now.

1858
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1859
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, as a Jets fin, I want to go

1860
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: up and get him high, but I would much rather

1861
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: let someone else take a swing on him early and

1862
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: if he fell and people really down, then maybe I

1863
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: grab him and stash him for a bit.

1864
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: I'm with you real quick. Just cycling back to tight ends.

1865
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: You mentioned some of those rookies because this is the

1866
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: position group that gives me a lot of stress, as

1867
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: I had Kyle Pitts last year, for instance, and that

1868
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: just drove me mad. Who's the veteran of that group

1869
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: post Kelsey Andrews that you're feeling good about. Who's the

1870
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: guy that you might you're fading when you do your drafts.

1871
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 7: I have really not been getting very much Kyle Pitts

1872
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,839
Speaker 7: because of the concerns about the passing volume. Is Desmond

1873
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 7: Ritter really any good?

1874
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: You know?

1875
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I feel like Kyle Pitts, look, he had

1876
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 7: over a thousand yards. Is a rookie tight end, all right,

1877
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 7: He's super talented. It's just are the targets going to

1878
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 7: be there for him at the end of the day.

1879
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 7: We just had Jimmy Kempski, longtime Eagles beat writer, on

1880
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 7: the Establisher Run podcast, and he was talking up Dallas

1881
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 7: Goddard and Dallas Goddard that he's just been He used

1882
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 7: the word uncoverable in training camp. Dallas Goddard has never

1883
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 7: scored more than four touchdowns in a season. I feel

1884
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 7: like he's the guy who could all of a sudden

1885
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 7: pop up and score like nine or eleven touchdowns in

1886
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 7: a high octane Eagles offense. So I'm starting to draft

1887
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 7: more of him.

1888
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 5: I think sometimes, you know, there's so much focus on

1889
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,759
Speaker 5: the early parts of the draft and your wide receiver

1890
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 5: two and everything, and a lot of times it's won

1891
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 5: when with like the sixth or seventh receiver you take,

1892
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 5: you can just use as your third receiver way more

1893
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 5: consistently than you expect to go into the season.

1894
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna throw some names at you.

1895
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if anywhere on your sleeper list, but

1896
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 5: just some interesting late receiver names.

1897
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 4: You tell me if you like anyone or don't like them.

1898
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Michael Thomas, Elijah Moore, Bateman sky Moore, and.

1899
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 4: Let's throw in obj.

1900
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 5: You just pick one or two out of those who

1901
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 5: stands out either as a good or a bad guy.

1902
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 7: Well, I was actually gonna bring up sky Moore because

1903
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 7: it looks like he is locked into two receiver sets

1904
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 7: right now.

1905
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 4: I like him low rookie.

1906
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 7: Season, but man, who's coming out of Western Michigan, and

1907
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 7: it's not uncommon for Andy Reid to slow play rookies.

1908
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 7: You know, think about the quarterback in Kansas City. I

1909
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 7: think I think sky Moore is gonna jump right into

1910
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 7: that Juju Smith Schuster role. Juju Smith Shooter had over

1911
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 7: nine hundred yards last year, and I think the sky Moore,

1912
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 7: there's a chance that sky Moore is like more talented

1913
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 7: than Juju Smith Schuster. We also have Matt Harmon on

1914
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 7: the show, famous for his reception perception on work on

1915
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 7: wide receivers, and he thought that what he saw out

1916
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 7: of sky Moore last year, you want to talk about

1917
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 7: a guy who watches all the tape. That's Matt Harmon.

1918
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 7: He thought that what sky Moore did, even in his

1919
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 7: minimal opportunities. He thinks that he's going to break out

1920
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 7: in his second season.

1921
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 3: Do you have when you're scanning the league and maybe

1922
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 3: this isn't for the star players, but teams that you

1923
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,879
Speaker 3: won't touch if there's a certain environment or an offensive

1924
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: scheme that you don't like, where you just say nope,

1925
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna If it's all things being equal, I'm ignoring

1926
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 3: tm X.

1927
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,839
Speaker 7: I can't believe that the Steelers brought back Matt Canada

1928
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 7: as their offensive coordinator.

1929
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: I mean, blame Canada the season.

1930
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 7: I just like took, you know, like a month off

1931
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 7: and like just slept and then when I woke up,

1932
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 7: I was like, Canada is still the Steelers offensive coordinator.

1933
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: That's the worst case scenario. First tesler to ask that question.

1934
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,839
Speaker 1: He's riding the Steelers hard this summer, so now he's noivose.

1935
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 2: Well we'll see, you know, well we will see.

1936
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 4: Wow.

1937
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 5: You don't want to get in Silva's crossairs if you're

1938
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 5: like a bad oc. Silva can get the fangs out sometimes,

1939
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 5: especially if it's late at night and the players, you know,

1940
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 5: he values them and he says they're.

1941
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 4: Good or not.

1942
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 5: But if there's like an oc in Silva's crossairs, he

1943
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 5: will put he will put them underground verbally on the

1944
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 5: written page. And Matt Canada sounds like that guy this year, like.

1945
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 4: It's trouble.

1946
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: All right.

1947
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: Last one for me. The Niners have all sorts of

1948
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: skill players. I'm kind of bringing up things that are

1949
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: bringing me stress. Uh deebo iyuk cmc kittle, any of

1950
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: those guys that kind of bust is strong, especially in

1951
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: that offense. But guys you're staying away from, or guys

1952
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: that you think Caul like's getting a lot of pop from,

1953
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: maybe finally becoming a number one.

1954
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: Like, where are you coming down? With these Niner skill players?

1955
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 7: I like them all. I mean, their offense is going

1956
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 7: to be really good again. The problem though, is that

1957
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 7: because there are so many dudes there that are really

1958
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 7: good at football, you're just you're gonna have to live

1959
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 7: with the ups and downs. They're gonna be boom or

1960
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 7: bust on a weekly basis. Debo's gonna have monster games

1961
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 7: and then he's gonna have games where it's four catches

1962
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 7: for thirty four yards. You know, George Kittle is famous

1963
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 7: for that. You know, like he's almost streaky, Like he'll

1964
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 7: have three games where it's like this is the best

1965
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 7: tight end in the NFL, and then he'll disappear for

1966
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 7: four weeks. So just at the end of the day, you

1967
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 7: just you have to kind of live with it, live

1968
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 7: with those ups and downs for that team. Christian McCaffrey

1969
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 7: will be consistent.

1970
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: Though.

1971
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 5: Wait to me, though, Deebo is such an obvious I

1972
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 5: think by low guy just that's so one of the

1973
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 5: best ways to play fantasy is just like talented guys

1974
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 5: who have already established that they can have a high

1975
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 5: level of production, take them off a bad year period.

1976
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 5: If you just just just do that, you'll probably do

1977
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 5: pretty well. Because he was going and probably I don't remember,

1978
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 5: but rounds two or three last year and now five

1979
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 5: or six.

1980
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 4: It's pretty simple. Just take that guy.

1981
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 5: He and he also sounds like he kind of knows

1982
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 5: he blew it last year and is very much ready.

1983
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, and now he looks like an absolute beast. I

1984
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 7: mean there have been videos all over the internet. I

1985
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 7: mean he's cut up this year, he's been boxing.

1986
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 5: He looks like a stud He would be on my

1987
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 5: list of guys that I would be trying to get

1988
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 5: in any big draft of me.

1989
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 3: Have you ever in your life you're a your last

1990
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 3: one for Evan, big dude, you know out in the

1991
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 3: in the the the taverns, in the bars of America.

1992
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: Have you ever been into a verbal or physical fight

1993
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 3: over fantasy football with someone?

1994
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 2: Great question, that's that's how you close it.

1995
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 7: No, No, not not not over fan football?

1996
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 5: How about about something I actually don't believe. I don't

1997
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 5: know if that that kind of looked like the guy

1998
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 5: that was lying. Silva, You've said it all. We thank

1999
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 5: you so much.

2000
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Established the run follow Evan, uh doing great work over

2001
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: there since its inception what like five years ago?

2002
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, look at Getting your Business.

2003
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 3: Off Right podcast. I listened to it every week.

2004
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, big fish, Evan, Thank you all right? Two things? Uh?

2005
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 2: One about Evan? Wait?

2006
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 3: Did I do the thing though at the Combine press

2007
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 3: conference where it's one more question and I took it

2008
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 3: somewhere that's not going to add.

2009
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 5: That everybody just groaned for their feature. He's working on

2010
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 5: his own feature.

2011
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 2: I was curious.

2012
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 3: I actually want to know if you had some.

2013
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: Evan's the only one of the reasons I like Evan

2014
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: is like, it doesn't matter how ridiculous your intro is

2015
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: or anything you say to Evan, Like if we do

2016
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: a thirty seven second ramp up where I'm saying we're

2017
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: literally fishing for him and pulling them into a boat

2018
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: as Mark is behind grinding into my buttocks, He's not

2019
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 1: gonna smile. He's just like there is just he's a fish,

2020
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Like he's just like staring back right at you, and

2021
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 1: it's unsettling. Finally, the the only other thing about Deebo

2022
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: Gregy and I'm with you, but and and kind of

2023
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: maybe circling back to the point is wrap things up here,

2024
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 1: like draft guys who you want? Draft guys you want

2025
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: with you? Debo I had a couple of years ago,

2026
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: and he was just unbelievable. But the one thing he

2027
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: got to deal with, Debo, if you're watching Niners games

2028
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: in real time, he's gonna have there's gonna be two

2029
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: moments in every game where it looks as if Deebo

2030
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: Samuel just suffered not a season threatening injury, but a

2031
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: life threatening injury. You're so dead on the field and

2032
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: he's basically you're thinking, oh, here comes the cart, Here

2033
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: comes the towel over the head, He's his helmet's ripped off,

2034
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: he's screaming, he's on the sideline. You're screaming at Fox

2035
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,879
Speaker 1: to give me another sideline shot.

2036
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 2: And I've never seen a man in more pain.

2037
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: It was like he just shot in the stomach with

2038
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 1: a shotgun and then he's back on the field in

2039
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: three where.

2040
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 3: Well, there's like a FIFA soccer element to his game.

2041
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,520
Speaker 1: There's a mental there's a yes, there's a mental capacity.

2042
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: You're taking a hit when you watch him.

2043
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: I recommend just enjoying Deebo Samuel fantasy player from Afar,

2044
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: not in real time. That's my final advice. Anybody else

2045
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: have a Finn thought as we wrap things up.

2046
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 4: No, I think I think you handled it.

2047
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 5: I I think doing your draft a little closer to

2048
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 5: the season is nice.

2049
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 4: You don't get you don't get in trouble.

2050
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 5: But I'm glad we're getting this episode out a little earlier.

2051
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 5: I know you're drafting this weekend day, it's starting to

2052
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 5: crank up. This next weekend, the weekend after the following

2053
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 5: week is is when it most happens. But I do

2054
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 5: think the idea, you know, that it's supposed to be fun.

2055
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 5: You know, you want to take it seriously, but you

2056
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 5: want to take you want to take guys you like

2057
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 5: that's it's all saying, it's your leam. You're gonna have

2058
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 5: to live with this guy, these guys, I'll your family.

2059
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,879
Speaker 2: I don't care who it is you're producing.

2060
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Now it gets a little thorny if we're talking about

2061
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: d W again. Little thorny if he's on your real team,

2062
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: because then it gets a little messy my fantasy team.

2063
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: I can divorce myself from basically anything. I would draft

2064
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: OJ in nineteen seventy four. I don't care he's on

2065
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: my You didn't know what was going to happen back then.

2066
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: Well that's a good point.

2067
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 3: But in your league, because I know it's your friends

2068
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 3: and you're a guy friends, but like you're in a

2069
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 3: league employee who's bathed in you know, football data left

2070
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: and right. Do they ever sort of look at you

2071
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 3: and say not fair? You should have a different job.

2072
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: If you I catch heat for that. That's part of

2073
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: the fun. Do you win the league or league? I'm

2074
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: always in the playoffs. I've made multiple deep runs, I

2075
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 1: have titles. Yeah, it would be bad if I was

2076
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: bombing in that league, I'd get killed for it. So

2077
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm representative to what I should be considering the amount

2078
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 1: of hours we put into it, Well, you should be

2079
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: winning them. But again it's annoying because I look, this

2080
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: is a great cheat sheet for me today's episode. But

2081
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: there are people in our league, like Shellin, Bob Greg

2082
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: They listen to our podcast. So now everything that I

2083
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: wrote down is a good point. Not only they hear

2084
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 1: that as well, like oh Dan reacted to that in

2085
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: a different way. It's banging me a little.

2086
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we should stop baby broadcasts.

2087
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 5: Yes, that reminds me of the the NBC Sports Last

2088
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 5: Road or World Draft we would do every year and

2089
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 5: everyone was going off my damn rankings.

2090
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 4: I can't do anything. I'm getting boxed out on all

2091
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 4: the guys I want.

2092
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: It would be quite just to do it one year,

2093
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: like totally go opposit all your takes on the public sector,

2094
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 1: just to kill your draft.

2095
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 2: That would be a move.

2096
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you everybody, Thank you again to all

2097
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: our guests that make the fantasy extravagance.

2098
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: That give me my music.

2099
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: Florio Brands, Darty Silva. I mean that's a murderer's roll

2100
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: and we thank them all. Good luck in your drafts

2101
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: until Thursday.

2102
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 2: Heat the Golf