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Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we've ever unpacked the ball.

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Speaker 3: I spent four years in Baltimore, but deep.

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Speaker 1: Right, yes, how did you like it? We haven't unpacked it.

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Speaker 2: I really liked it.

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Speaker 3: We of course stayed in Fell's Point and so that

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Speaker 3: was sort of our home base.

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Speaker 2: But I got out a lot.

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of museums, like the Industrial Museum,

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Speaker 3: all the Civil War battle sites.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here, did you go to the aquarium because that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the okay, right, that's key when I think

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Speaker 1: of downtown Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: When I had my kids up, we brought the kids

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Speaker 3: out there, which probably relates to your show.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the first season.

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Speaker 3: We had three kids and they were under five, and

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Speaker 3: so gosh, I know, and it was like December. I'm

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Speaker 3: like I convinced Morgan. I'm like, oh, maybe it'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: We'll have Baltimore Christmas. And so she packed everyone up

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Speaker 3: when we were staying it like a homewood suite's and

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Speaker 3: it was really really rough to uh oh spend. She

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Speaker 3: was like, I'm out, there's nothing here I need. I'm gone.

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Speaker 3: So she gave it like two weeks. We did it

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Speaker 3: like three weeks. But we put them in like a

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Speaker 3: Presbyterian preschool and they got to do a Christmas play.

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Speaker 3: So there was some fun. And we went to Santa

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Speaker 3: by the Water, which was a whole other hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I love my hometown, but if you're not

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Speaker 1: from there, I am like, how do you like it?

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Speaker 2: I do like it? No, I'm not. I'm not kicking Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: And we went to the Charles Theater all the time,

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Speaker 3: and we ate. We ate out in Hamden and we

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Speaker 3: saw the lights around Christmas and the toilet races.

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Speaker 1: Ah yeah, okay, well did you know that? Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: toilet races.

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Speaker 3: Toilet races in Hamden Every fall they have some street

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Speaker 3: fest and the highlight of it is people create go

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Speaker 3: carts where there has to be a toilet on it

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Speaker 3: and they have to ride the toilet down a hill

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Speaker 3: really and they kind of they deck them out like

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Speaker 3: burning man cars and they wipe out.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is incredible. I've never heard of this because

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Speaker 1: so I moved. I left Baltimore when I was eighteen

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Speaker 1: la and then I stayed and so I never got

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Speaker 1: to experience the fullness. When you're like a kid, you're

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Speaker 1: obviously at the mercy of your parents and where they

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Speaker 1: of plays at the Arena Players Theater, and I saw

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Speaker 1: I went to the aquarium. We enjoyed the Harbor from

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Speaker 1: time to time. But I'm from Baltimore County, so that

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Speaker 1: was like a we're going on a field trip type

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Speaker 1: to me about Baltimore. Now I'm like, oh man, I

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. We actually did the Dolphin. That was

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Speaker 3: We did the Dolphin Show like four times with the kids.

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Speaker 1: So it is really cool.

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Speaker 2: Sit in the splash zone, It's great.

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Speaker 1: So cool. It's so cool. And then wait, you said

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Speaker 1: when you said about Baltimore's rund me. Last night, I

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Speaker 1: had a caviar nugget from Cocadac, which is a restaurant

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Speaker 1: do fancy things like sell what they call a golden

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Speaker 1: nugget and has caviar on it, and it is, in

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Speaker 1: fact forty dollars a nugget. But I've done that. And

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Speaker 1: last night someone said to me, there's a place in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Bunnies, and it's a play on Playboy Bunnies,

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Speaker 1: and they also have a caviar nugget. But Baltimore is

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and we had a we would have

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Speaker 3: a big crab boil or crab crack every year.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes.

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Speaker 3: I hosted it for the cast one year in my

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Speaker 1: It's the it's honestly. I still I still order crab

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Speaker 1: ordered some crab meat from Maryland, made myself some crab

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Speaker 3: Like because I think it reminds you like to slow down.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: You know. It kind of like takes a little like

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Speaker 1: Yeah see, I like that's it.

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Speaker 3: Keeps me from being morbidly obese because.

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Speaker 1: You go because also you realize you're full before you know.

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Speaker 1: They say, like you're supposed to. I think you're supposed

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Speaker 1: because then you get fuller faster you realize you're full.

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Speaker 1: But if you I'm a person who like powers through

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Speaker 1: and you're shaking your head in disapproval, and.

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Speaker 3: Only only because you're you seem like you're skinny. Still,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you're skinny.

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Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm pretty slim. But I also it's like,

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Speaker 1: what am I What do my insides look like? You know?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm really concerned. Like caviar ug They look

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Speaker 1: guess having arteries that are clogged by caviard that great.

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Speaker 3: She died from cavi our nugget abuse.

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Speaker 1: I mean that would be And you know, good for her.

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Speaker 1: She really lived though, Yeah, she lived.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a good legend, Like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: that's that's like Elvis eating fried peanut butter sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which is, by the way, the fried things are you?

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Speaker 1: Do you care about food at all?

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Speaker 2: Like, what's your Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: You care? Oh my goodness, it's my whole personality.

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Speaker 2: Please let's go.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so the fried foods. And I'm saying wait because

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Speaker 3: My premise is that the premise of the show.

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Speaker 1: None of my like I would say, at least fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of my dad's for the day don't know what

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Speaker 1: the premise of the show is. But because they heard

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Speaker 1: I like that idea. The premise of the show is,

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Speaker 1: you know what better? Yet, I should do my intro now,

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Speaker 1: and I always do it backwards like this, and you'll

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Speaker 1: hear everything and if you have questions after, I'll answer everything. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: I may go odem and welcome to thanks Dad. I

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Speaker 1: was raised by a single mom, and don't have a

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Speaker 1: down with father figures who are old enough to be

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Speaker 1: my dad. Hi, Matt, or are just dads themselves. I

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Speaker 1: wanted you to be offended that I said you were

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Speaker 1: old enough to be my dad, because some people take

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Speaker 2: How old are you?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's Hollywood?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Really, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm thirty six.

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm thirty six. I'm really I'm not a

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Speaker 2: No, you look great, you look perfect. You don't look

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, okay Jesus, Now I'm in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Now you're in trouble. There's traps all over the place here.

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Speaker 1: So on this podcast, I'm going to get to ask

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Speaker 1: questions I've always wanted to ask a dad, like how

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Speaker 1: do I know if the guy I'm dating is right

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Speaker 1: Or can you teach me how to fix my tire?

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Speaker 1: Should my car break down on the side of the

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Speaker 1: N't you be able to teach.

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Speaker 2: The hire part?

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Speaker 3: I would say with projects like that, like changing a tire,

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Speaker 3: start with the premise that, like very impward. Okay, half

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Speaker 3: the people in the world can do this, and you're

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Speaker 3: probably smarter than half the people in the world.

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Speaker 1: This is such sound advice. A few of my dads

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Speaker 1: have said this, at least one of my dads for

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Speaker 3: Well, I phrase it as you're smarter than half the people.

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Speaker 1: I said. Okay, okay, okay, I want to erase everything

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Speaker 1: about calling people stupid. Nobody's stupid, nobody's ugly, but I

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Speaker 3: Well, it's based on the premise because a coach told

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Speaker 3: You're going to be better than half the people who

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Speaker 1: This is a mathematical thing. Okay. I respect that, and

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Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense, but it's good. I also feel

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Speaker 1: one of the people who have figured this thing out.

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Speaker 1: Not for everything in life, but for a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to give you another caviar nugget, Give.

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Speaker 1: Me another caviar nugget.

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Speaker 3: I love this for auditioning, Just say why not me?

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Speaker 1: Mm?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because sometimes we get intimidated, like oh, Tom

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Speaker 3: but I'm good enough, So why not me?

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Speaker 1: Mm, such a good question, that is it? It is?

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Speaker 1: But you know what's also interesting is that I remember

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Speaker 1: days when I was really trying to pursue a career

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Speaker 1: be like, why not me? And I could actually answer that,

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Speaker 1: and the why not is like, because I'm not Tom Cruise,

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Speaker 1: oh and because I.

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Speaker 2: Keep saying it, just keep saying it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, go through the list. It's almost like that thing

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Speaker 1: that's a way to like process anxiety where you go, okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And then arms up. You gotta do the arms

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Speaker 3: It's fine.

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Speaker 1: And then my engineers do an amazing job of helping

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Speaker 1: next guest from Veep, The Hangover, Bad Santa, and most

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Speaker 1: Please welcome my dad for the day, Matt Walsh.

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Speaker 3: Hi everyone.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, dad heads and dad heads and dadless heads.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm a dadless head. I am so excited to

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to connect with you. I haven't seen you

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Speaker 1: It's been a very kind of like my dad my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is this transparence?

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Speaker 3: Is this what they call transference in the psyche game?

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Speaker 1: I have something terrible to tell you. My dad died

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Speaker 1: found that lots of people don't have relationship with their dads.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not worried about you. Thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just in case, you know, because you seem sweet

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Speaker 1: Right, it's possible. I feel like movies and TV shows

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Speaker 1: It's fraud. You know, you've seen the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Who's playing that dad in your lifetime movie?

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Speaker 1: He's old enough to be my dad. I would pick

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Speaker 1: You does that? But Matt Okay, I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: have you because, first of all, the upright citizens brigade

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Speaker 1: a very long time. UCB changed my life. When you

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Speaker 1: you've changed my life, but now I'm telling you you

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. I actually told you that whole thing

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Speaker 1: It's so fun and seeing them come out of their shelves.

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Speaker 1: Man a mom I have if my mom passed, I

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Speaker 3: oh no, please, Dad. He was that guy. And he

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Speaker 2: Right, That to me was the best part of the joke.

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Speaker 2: I had an older brother who knew what.

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Speaker 3: It shaped my personality. I think, like one theory is

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Speaker 3: became a way of identifying perhaps and this is all

440
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 3: my bogus psychology, by the way, but perhaps yeah you

441
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 3: can pokeols, yeah, you know. And then in seventh grade

442
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,880
Speaker 3: I was sort of the funny guy, and I think

443
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 3: that gave me confidence with girls because I could make

444
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 3: girls laugh maybe or at least yeah, it does, and I, uh,

445
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 3: because I wasn't going to be like the dominant athlete

446
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 3: and I you know, and then I was a crack

447
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 3: up with my friends and that gave me some self esteem.

448
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 3: And then the downside of that is it wasn't channeled

449
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 3: like I wasn't courageous enough to like go after theater

450
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 3: and take theater classes in high school and perform because

451
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,959
Speaker 3: it wasn't like, oh, that's not really cool or what.

452
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 3: I don't know what my judgment was, but eventually I

453
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 3: found my way into some acting. Once I got into

454
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 3: like the last year of high school, we got to

455
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 3: do a variety show that my friends recruited me for

456
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 3: and that was basically like Saturday Live. We got to

457
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: write sketches and perform them. And then, as you know,

458
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: as a performer, the power of that to like create

459
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 3: material then get that reception from an audience is like magic.

460
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feedback feels it's there's nothing like it. It's

461
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: like drugs. And then in.

462
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 3: Addition to that, it's the status. Afterwards, people go, you

463
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: were so funny in the riot you show, and it's like, oh,

464
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 3: all that enforcement perhaps encouraged me to continue. And I

465
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 3: don't know if it narrowed my personality to pursue the arts,

466
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 3: but it certainly kept me going.

467
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you say your dad was really supportive, but it

468
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 1: also you didn't want to take theater necessarily in high

469
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: school because it's like, that's not the cool thing to do.

470
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a conversations with him about finding

471
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 1: your way or your path in those early years?

472
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

473
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: I think the encouragement was in small doses because there

474
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 3: were seven of us and he was running a business

475
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: and he was working all day and yeah, probably getting

476
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 3: drinks with other salesmen at night. Yeah, it wasn't There

477
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of face time, but it was there.

478
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: You know, the love was there. Sure, So the cultivation

479
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 3: of my pursuit was sort of on my own. Okay,

480
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 3: I think.

481
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Okay, when you say the love was there, can you

482
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: elaborate a little more what you mean by that? I

483
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: think I know what you mean, but what did it

484
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: look like for you and what made you feel like,

485
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 1: I know it's there.

486
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: I think love as received by me was you know, traditions,

487
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 3: celebrating my birthdays, family vacations, holidays. He was big on church.

488
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: He was Catholic. So I think his way of like

489
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: teaching me about the world is saying, like it's all

490
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: in that room. Go in there and listen to the

491
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: Bible and sing. And he would never administer his view

492
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: of the world, but he's like, that's it. If you

493
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: do that, you're a good kid, you know. And so

494
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: I think that symbolically was something he enjoyed. So and

495
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: I think like he was playful at times when we

496
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: had him. You know, he was billy. He could be

497
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 3: silly and funny. So yeah, that's my interpretation of how

498
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 3: I knew I was loved and encouraging, like he would

499
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: brag about you to his friends, you know, if he

500
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: did something funny or cool or I used to always

501
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 3: have jobs since I was in like fifth grade, I

502
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: had a paper route and yeah, I saved up five

503
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: hundred dollars in like I was. We lived near a

504
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: golf course. When we moved to the suburbs, yeah, and

505
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: I would shag balls from the weeds. Yeah, tell them

506
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 3: to golfers. And I saved up like five hundred and

507
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: six hundred dollars and I bought a certificate a deposit

508
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: that would accrue interest.

509
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: And he would brag about these like this kid just

510
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: you know.

511
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, those are signs of like feeling special and

512
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 3: being seen.

513
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: Right right now. We're working since you were five.

514
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: Years old though fifth grade?

515
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe you said fifth grade and my brain said

516
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: five and said five years old. Okay, so working since

517
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: you were in fifth grade. That's a unique experience to

518
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: be like in fifth grade, I want to be working.

519
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: I want to be making my own money. Where do

520
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: you think that came from?

521
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: We sort of functioned like an agrarian farm family. We

522
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: would all have jobs and then whatever money we made,

523
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: we would keep half and then kick half of it

524
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: upstairs to the family, to the dad, to dad and mom. Wait,

525
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: no way, yeah.

526
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: You're big serious, that's serious. So wait what would they

527
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: do with your half?

528
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 3: They would pay bills, they would buy our clothes, they

529
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: would take care of keep the lights on. It was

530
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: a sense of communal We're in this together. It was

531
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: almost like the family is the business and so you

532
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: all you're not gonna freeload, You're gonna contribute, and you're

533
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 3: also gonna go to school and do sports. But like

534
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: I had bus boy jobs, I had I set up

535
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: chairs at the church on the weekend, I washed dishes

536
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: and you know, just pick up and hustling jobs. And

537
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: it was kind of like I guess we probably never

538
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: had allowance like a lot like you want money, you're

539
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: gonna do something for it.

540
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna go get a job or find a way

541
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: to make money.

542
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: Wow, did you like that when you're growing up? Is

543
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: it just a sort of thing where it's.

544
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: Like I lend it?

545
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was so cool

546
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: and I took great pride in like kicking money upstairs

547
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 3: to the to the top that it just made me

548
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: feel like an adult and like whatever. Like and sometimes

549
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: like if I made eighteen dollars in a paper out,

550
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: he would just say give me five, you know what

551
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: I mean. It wasn't like it wasn't It was more

552
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: the sense, the rough sense of you're going to contribute.

553
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 3: We all contribute. We're all in this together, and that's

554
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 3: how we succeed. And to this day, our family is

555
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: very tight. There's seven of us and we still all

556
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: get along, which is very rare, very rare, very rare,

557
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: and mostly props to my mom.

558
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: Like she's not in the dad show.

559
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: But that's okay, we can talk about mom too. Yeah.

560
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: The reason, the reason, the glue that everything was Mom.

561
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: She was everything. Dad was the big fish, right, Okay,

562
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: he was a kind of a showman, Yeah, but Mom

563
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: was the glue.

564
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: Really So did she instilled like the importance of staying

565
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: connected and staying together and really being treating family with

566
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: some sanctity? Was that was that her thing? Or do

567
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: you think that that's something they both instead?

568
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: What the what's the love language? Where you like, do.

569
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: Acts react service? Acts of service?

570
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: That she's all.

571
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: About acts of service. Like when I was a struggling

572
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: comedian like yourself when you landed in La Let's say,

573
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: and I was living in Chicago with no money and

574
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: doing like moving jobs or painting or whatever. Right, I

575
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: would go home to visit the family, and then she

576
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: would send me home with like two five pound tubs

577
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: of peanut butter and two frozen lasagnas and like you know,

578
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 3: boxes of laundry. And that's that's her in a nutshell

579
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: like planning and taking care of you. And I always

580
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 3: tell the story of like Sunday nights, we would all

581
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: get together in the kitchen because there were seven kids, yeah,

582
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: four boys, three girls, okay, and the boys would always

583
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: eat like two sandwiches at lunch. So we would make

584
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: like seventy five sandwiches on a Sunday night, assembly line style,

585
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: the looney peanut, butter, cheese, and ham. Yeah, luster throw

586
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: them in the freezer. So then Monday morning camera, I

587
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: just reached in the freezer, grab two sandwiches, throw them

588
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 3: in a bag, Grab an apple.

589
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: Wow, and that's your school lunch. That's incredible. I am

590
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: really taking aback. I know that I was like very rare,

591
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: very rare, but I'm like, I'm really taking aback by

592
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: the notion that you guys are all still really close.

593
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: But it does sound like by design and not just

594
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: in telling you to operate like a unit and treat

595
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: family like it's sacred. But I mean, you worked together.

596
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: And so it was like a positive network. It was

597
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: like it was a safety net, but it wasn't like

598
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: super lovey dovey. It was kind of like Irish calf,

599
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: like a little cold. We weren't like affectionate so much,

600
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: but it was there, and it was it was reliable,

601
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: and it was steady.

602
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I resonate so much with I felt like the love

603
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: was there for me for sure growing up. But all

604
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: in action, not so much articulated, Like I'm not running

605
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: out the door to school and my mom's like, have

606
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: a great day, I love you. That's not happening. All

607
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: my needs are met, and you know, I'm getting to

608
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: do hobbies and I'm taken care of and I'm getting

609
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: to be playful and supported in my hobbies and those endeavors.

610
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: But I'm like, no, no one was saying I love

611
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: you then. I wasn't getting kissed on the cheek before

612
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: bed and and I love you? Was your dad one

613
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: to say I love you?

614
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: Never?

615
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: Okay never.

616
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: There's a towards when he got older or when we

617
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: all got older, obviously, but let's just assume time goes

618
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: on and we age. Yeah, from that premise.

619
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: From that, we're assuming as much. We're assuming premise. Again,

620
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: more improv talk, guys. I hope people are picking.

621
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: Up I told my Yeah, I told my mom I

622
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: loved her. I think in high school I was reading

623
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: some like Leo Biscalia book or something, and it was never.

624
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: It was there, but it was never named.

625
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: I remember how hard it was to like verbalize it,

626
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: but I think I was the first person in the

627
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: family to do that.

628
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Matt saying in my nuclear family, I

629
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: introduced we're going to start saying I love you. I

630
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: think I was like, why do we not? I mean totally,

631
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: I feel loved, I feel cared for, I feel supported,

632
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: I met with kindness. But is there a reason we're

633
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: not just saying it?

634
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: How did you bring that up?

635
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I think I just said it to someone one day.

636
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I think I said it to my mom. She's not

637
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna leave you hanging. I feel like she was maybe

638
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: taken aback. And I'm not remembering the exact time and

639
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: the exact moment I did it, but I do remember

640
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: that I was like a senior in college, maybe a junior.

641
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: And I've said this before, but I was listening to

642
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: an Big Brother by Kanye West and on Graduation had

643
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: just come out that year, that album, and he says,

644
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: people will never get the flowers while they can still

645
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: smell them. And I don't want to be like, oh,

646
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: a song made me change how I operate. But I

647
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: did go, yeah, that is strange at a funeral that

648
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my gosh, I'm crying and I loved

649
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: this person and they were so but I'm like, tell people, yeah,

650
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: tell them that was right around when I but it

651
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: was college and I remember being home for the summer

652
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: hearing that and I go, yeah, I'm gonna just say it.

653
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: And so I don't know how she responded, but I

654
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: certainly know she didn't leave me hanging. I'm sure there's

655
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: there was probably a level of like what and then

656
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, reciprocated, but we don't say that

657
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: out loud.

658
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: Was it hard for you? Were you nervous when you

659
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: dropped it?

660
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: I say a touch nervous, just being like but but

661
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: barely like I would say more than anything, it was like,

662
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: I want to change course in this in the way

663
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: we do this, or operate with saying I love you.

664
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: But I think there was a level of like, well,

665
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: what's this gonna do? But I'm a little bit like

666
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: that Matt too, where I go, what would happen if

667
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, did this thing and drop it into

668
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: this social dynamic. I know we're not the social contract

669
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: says we're not supposed to do this, but why speaking

670
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: of psychology, but why so? What if I did do that?

671
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: How would everyone react? Because there's for me, there also

672
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: is a real curiosity around people's reaction to things. So

673
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: I was a little nervous, but I think more so

674
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: I was like curious, like what would happen? You know,

675
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to change this, and what

676
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: would happen. We'll see what happens.

677
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember for me, I was I was kind

678
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: of scared because I think that sort of emotion or

679
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: lovey doveness was very It almost felt like weakness or something.

680
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought it was weak to cry till I

681
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: was nineteen. I remember that that's weak. You don't cry.

682
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, too much work, We got too many things

683
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: to do.

684
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh exactly, no, no, no, wrap it up, get patch

685
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: it up. So when you did say you were the

686
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: first one to break it in your family, you did,

687
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: how was that received?

688
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: I think my mom got choked up and she was

689
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: like I don't even think she looked at me. She

690
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: was like, I love you too, and then so slowly

691
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: I broke her down. Even now, I can feel like

692
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: the challenge.

693
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: Of that you know.

694
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, do your kids in your nuclear family now you're

695
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: with your wife Morgan, your kids, do you guys say

696
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: I love you? Is this explicit? Okay, all the yeah,

697
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: all the yeah.

698
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. It's kind of normal and pedestrian,

699
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: and it was never a thing. Morgan's also very more,

700
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: much more affectionate and verbal and uh yeah, but so

701
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: that a lot of that comes from her too.

702
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: So do you think you like found yourself drawn to

703
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: that sort of effusiveness because it was maybe lacking in childhood.

704
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to like psychologically assess this. I'm

705
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: not trying to do that, but I am like, I'm curious.

706
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I go, if in your own estimation.

707
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: I do think I've always been drawn to the other.

708
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if that sounds pretentious, but like pursuing

709
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: arts or going outside of what I thought was expected.

710
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: And continuing that down the road.

711
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: What I found attractive beyond her physical beauty is her

712
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: completely different vibe and background. And so that to me

713
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: felt interesting and that made me curious.

714
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Now you said back to your pa, did

715
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: you call him dad? By the way, was that his dad?

716
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: I called him dad?

717
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: And so but I started saying it's my mom.

718
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

719
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: I say it's all my siblings. Now, by the way,

720
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: I feel like some of the siblings I don't some

721
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: I do.

722
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: Wait, how do you make that distinction? Yeah, tell me

723
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: because it's probably probably can sense like this is going

724
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: to be too awkward. Is that what? Okay?

725
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Like my one sister Annie, she'll never listen

726
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: to this. I feel like I'm outing her.

727
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: She's so well, you don't know. Annie could be a

728
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: fan of me, for all you freaking know, Matt.

729
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: She might.

730
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: She might be.

731
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm kidding you please, but Lise.

732
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: Well, she's busy.

733
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: She's just busy. It's no disrespect to you, your value

734
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: as an entertainer.

735
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: I am kidding.

736
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm kidding.

737
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: But she doesn't like hugs.

738
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: Even so every time I see her, I make it big,

739
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: like I'm going in and like I make a big

740
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: hugging her. But she's like someone I probably have never

741
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: said I love you, but we were good, like we

742
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: could all up great. Yes, but yes, it's a lot

743
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: for her and then for my dad. I would say

744
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: on phone calls, specifically, I would say I love you

745
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: at the end of the call, and he would always

746
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: say thank you.

747
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: Okay, which is that feels like the ultimate rejection.

748
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

749
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: It was.

750
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: I loved it.

751
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: I loved I loved it more than if he would

752
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: say I love you, because I knew he heard me okay,

753
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: and that's all he could do.

754
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, for whatever reason.

755
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I actually use that. I put that in

756
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: a movie I did with Nick Jonas where he says

757
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: I love you to me and I play his dad

758
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: and I go thank you. Because that's all he was

759
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: ready for, that's all he could do, And because it

760
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: was so specific to him, it was a million times

761
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: more interesting than just saying the standard I love you,

762
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 3: because I knew he didn't need to say. I wasn't

763
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: doing it to hear it from him.

764
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, you know what I mean. Yeah. Absolutely, You're

765
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: remarkably evolved in that regard, if I might say so myself,

766
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: because I think, I think because it's unique to me.

767
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: But being vulnerable is scary, and that's why a lot

768
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: of people don't do it. And it's a muscle you

769
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: have to sort of build up that, Like, Okay, I

770
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: was vulnerable, the vulnerability express was reciprocated and that felt

771
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: good and okay, I feel like you do like a

772
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: free flaw. Then it's like someone caught you or you're

773
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: vulnerable and it's not reciprocated the way you hoped or intended,

774
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: and that feels like I was freefalling and someone let

775
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: me fall and hit the ground. But in your case,

776
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm expressing this because I want to express this.

777
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: How you respond is I don't want to say neither

778
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: here nor there because you enjoy the thank you versus

779
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: him saying a forest I love you too. But how

780
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: you respond is your deal and your prerogative. I'm sharing

781
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: a thing with you that I would just like to

782
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: share with you, and how you respond is how you respond.

783
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I just I think my initial reaction if I said

784
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: I love you to someone and they said thank you,

785
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I'd go oh oh, not out loud inside because I'd

786
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: play really cool outside, but I'd be like, oh, my

787
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: friend and I do a bit where we do that.

788
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: My friend Trevanna and I do a full bit where

789
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: either one of us will say I love you and

790
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: we both know to go thank you, and we both

791
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: laugh and laugh and laugh about it. Maybe on the.

792
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: Maybe on the I don't remember the first one, Like

793
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: maybe on the first one I might have been like, oh, okay, yeah,

794
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 3: but then I still did it, and then it became

795
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: his thing. Yeah, and it became our thing. I don't know,

796
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: but I'm sure on the first one it was like

797
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: I probably did feel vulnerable, but I can't remember.

798
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And also so many thank yous later, You're like,

799
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: this is what dad does, this is what I recall.

800
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: It was almost like I wanted to hear it.

801
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, as long as he says thank you, You're good.

802
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: I screamed I love you to my brother when I

803
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: was leaving Baltimore a couple of weeks ago. And he's

804
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: the oldest, and he's the one I still have not

805
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: been able to get to say I love you too.

806
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I've cracked everyone.

807
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: And how many siblings in your family?

808
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: I have three siblings, so I have two older brothers

809
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: and an older sister. Okay, And in the Uber I thought,

810
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: maybe with an audience, he'll pretend for this uber driver

811
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: that he's going to say it back. I go, maybe

812
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I'll get him now, maybe just maybe. And I actively

813
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: thought this, I was like, he really might not. I go,

814
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: wonder what he does if I do it this way.

815
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Uber drivers here were in Suburbia and I'm about to

816
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: take the train back to New York. Haven't seen you

817
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: in a while, And I go, love you, I love you,

818
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: And he was like you too.

819
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: I probably got a you two from my dad once

820
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: in a while too.

821
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just go Dawn, Okay, that not that either.

822
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: I think that's now you want to get the U too,

823
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 3: Like you should be gunning for the U too, Like, yes,

824
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: you don't need you.

825
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: No, you're right, You're right. It's amazing.

826
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: That's an amazing thing to get from your It's huge.

827
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: It is especially I mean, I'm the youngest, and I

828
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: do feel like by the time, it's interesting you're the

829
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: youngest boy of your siblings, and I feel like by

830
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: the time parents get to their youngest, I just find

831
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: us to be and not to be like on the

832
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: youngest sibling or youngest boy panel here. But I'm like, yeah,

833
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: there's something about like carving your own path, and that

834
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: also means going, I understand what the temperature here is

835
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: in this family. I just wonder what happened if I

836
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: moved the thermostat in this direction or that direction. Yeah,

837
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: And so it's totally fine. I know my brother loves me,

838
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: and you know, if I texted, he'll go diddo. And

839
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: then sometimes I won't even because I go somehow, I'm

840
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: still gunning. But I'm going to continue a gun for

841
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: the U two's because I think was progress. I go, Okay,

842
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: we've moved beyond diddo, and now he's expressing two words.

843
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: And then I was thinking too, because so your mom

844
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: is a single mom, yes, with four kids. Yes, if

845
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: there were two parents, that's like eight children. She's taken

846
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: care of me. So that's why there's not a lot

847
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: of emotion in big families, like similar backgrounds. There's too

848
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: much to get done. Yeah, and there's really not a lot,

849
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 3: especially so she's basically got eight children, but he's only

850
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: got four. Yeah, my parents. It's my mom at seven. Yeah,

851
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: but she was kind of on her own too. There's

852
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: not a lot of time to administer all that touchy

853
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: feely stuff.

854
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: There's too much stuff. The workload is just too big.

855
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: Matt.

856
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: I really respect that because as a person who's like

857
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: very much enjoying vulnerability and enjoying going to therapy and

858
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: having the space to explore all the ways I feel

859
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: about the Monday I just had and the interaction I

860
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: just had at the coffee shop, and go really deep

861
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: on that. I'm like, what a privilege though, because I

862
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: have the room in the space to do that. You know,

863
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: unpacking emotionally in any way or taking the lid off

864
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: of your emotions. It can create a mess. And some

865
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: people do not have time to clean that up. They

866
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: have practical everyday things that need to get done that

867
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't have the space or the time

868
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: that that would require for me to really allow it

869
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: to be productive, or.

870
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: The tools like if you do open it up, now,

871
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: what do I do with this?

872
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: Yes, So I have total empathy for and I was

873
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: one of these people, and then I realized, like, oh,

874
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: you do have the time. I goo, You're in a

875
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: different position. But like I kind of am operating in

876
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: the world this way, and it's sort of working so

877
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: far as I know, right because little ignorance is bliss.

878
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm a little terrified of what happens if I create

879
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: any sort of mess, or we unwrap the package. That's

880
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: what I used to say. I was like, if we

881
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: unwrap the package, I think about all the tape, all

882
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: the wrapping paper, you don't know. If there's a little

883
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: like a Styri from Crewton looking things, I'm like, who,

884
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: no one has time to clean this up, so let's

885
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: have to go to work. But anyway, it's such a privilege.

886
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Now you said your mom was sort of on our

887
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: own because there's seven kids. Then your dad, who was

888
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: working a lot. He was a salesman of what variety.

889
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: He owned a business that moved having machinery. So it

890
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: was like, imagine the New York Times wanted to tear

891
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: out their old printing presses, sell them to a factory

892
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 3: in Korea, and then install new ones. He would handle

893
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 3: every bit of that job. Okay, they would get guys

894
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: that disassemble it, park created up ship it installed a

895
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: new one everything it needs. So he would sell jobs

896
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 3: through factories and then he also ran the company.

897
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, did you ever go to work with him?

898
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: Was like take your child to work day a thing

899
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: with back.

900
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: Then here I did go to work on the weekends,

901
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: like the family business. We would just go to his

902
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: office so he could work and we would play with

903
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: the phones and run around the warehouse. And then when

904
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: I was uh in my starving improv era between like

905
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: painting jobs and moving jobs. I was so broke. My brother,

906
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: who was working for my dad, he's like, he's like,

907
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 3: you know, you're not going to be any more funnier

908
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 3: if you're broke. No, basically, go make money with debt

909
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: because my dad would always like love to have you

910
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: in there, because he would have loved me to be,

911
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: you know, in the family business. But he also respected

912
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: what I did. Okay, And then I did it for

913
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: a year and I wasn't really good at it. I

914
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: was fine, I didn't really like it.

915
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had.

916
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: To like kind of dress like a business guy. It

917
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: was it was kind of a night. Then I auditioned

918
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: for but I was still doing theater at night. Like

919
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: I didn't quit on the nights, but I the goal

920
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: was like making nest egg and find a way out.

921
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: And then I auditioned for the Second City Touring Company

922
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: and I got that job, and I ran back to

923
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: my dad's and I'm like, I'm up.

924
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm up, Like I'm done, I'm I'm so done.

925
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: He's like, no, you can, no, No, I'm out.

926
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: I'm out.

927
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: It's funny that he was like, you know you can

928
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: stay because you said I wasn't really good at the

929
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: job when you were like kind of fucking up at

930
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: the job. How was he as a boss?

931
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: So he I treaded water like I didn't have a

932
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: natural affinity. Basically, salesman is like cold. Imagine like there

933
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: was an industrial Yellow Pages back in the let's say

934
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: early nineties when I was there, and I just opened

935
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: it up and started it a and called like acme

936
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: springs and then act me piping, and then like, hey,

937
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: do you guys have any moving jobs. I'm with TAFF Contracting. Yeah.

938
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: I just started doing because I didn't have any accounts

939
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: of myself, and that's how I approached it. And lo

940
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: and behold, I dug up some work for accounts that

941
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: never existed. But I didn't know. I didn't know how

942
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: to manage jobs. I didn't I didn't know how to

943
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: bid them. And it was, uh, it's a it's interesting.

944
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting to tour a factory and see how things made.

945
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: Like I worked at one of my summer jobs. I

946
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: worked in the you're in a dog food factory in Kankakee, Illinois.

947
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: Oh right, crazy.

948
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: I worked in the old Oscar Meyer plant in Chicago,

949
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: right across from Cabrini Green.

950
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: Oh.

951
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: I worked I worked, so I had all these like

952
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: International Harvester, I worked there, so those are like all

953
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: labor jobs. And then I would go with my dad

954
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: sometimes and just see how they made like windshields. You

955
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: see an oven that's been making glass for one hundred

956
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: years because if they turn it off, the whole thing

957
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: will crack, you know. So you see these means of

958
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: production and it's it's interesting. But doing it for a living,

959
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: selling jobs, managing jobs, I was terrible, Which is.

960
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: Interesting because in my mind, I'm like, I feel like

961
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: most comedians if they wanted to be and performers, if

962
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: you wanted to be a salesperson, that would be a

963
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: thing you'd have a knack for if you wanted to.

964
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: But I know it also requires the like, Okay, I'm

965
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna buckle down and do this thing.

966
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: But in a in an actor's life, let's say, it's

967
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: mostly only transactional in the audition room, like we're comfortable

968
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: being funny and up because it makes us feel safe.

969
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, but we're not like oh if

970
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: I make him laugh, he'll give me a job on TV.

971
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: When we're at the bar, we're just we're just comfortable

972
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: in that zone. But like being a salesman is like

973
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: imagine you had to hang out with the casting agent

974
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: and have lunches with them all the time and then

975
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: like go to their kids ballgame. Like you curate these

976
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: relationships and it's a lot of it's kind of transaction,

977
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: Like the friendship is very transactional, and you maintain it

978
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: in a way that's like hard for me unless.

979
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: I really like the person.

980
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

981
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, not that we don't all like.

982
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: Of course, we work with people that we don't like

983
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: and we figure a way to do it. But in

984
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: sales that's everything.

985
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Yes, you couldn't really be like, Okay, I like this person,

986
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: I don't like this person. It'd be like I don't

987
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: like this person, but they could be a potential client.

988
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to fucking go get a beer

989
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: with him after work.

990
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: Today and you can't do your real comedy bits with them.

991
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah not true, because yeah, you're like, we don't actually

992
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: have chemistry. You just have money that I'm trying to

993
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: get to and I have to pretend that is acting.

994
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: But it seems painful a little bit. It seems a

995
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: lot of painful.

996
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 3: And then you would be throwing out jokes and they're

997
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: not laughing, and you're like, I don't know what to

998
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: do here.

999
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Did your dad have friends that were not into any

1000
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: way involved in his business.

1001
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. All his best friends were the guys from the

1002
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: neighborhood he grew up in, like a southside Chicago. They

1003
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: would cut school and go to the racetrack. They were

1004
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: those kids. Okay, okay, so all his friends from that era,

1005
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: from the bar, from the they would go to Bears

1006
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: games on a bus together. He kept a lot of

1007
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: those relationships. A lot of his old friends were still there.

1008
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's very cool. One last thing before I move

1009
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: on to how you were as a parent about your

1010
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: dad that you had. Would you say there's anything that

1011
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: he imparted to you that you hold on to and

1012
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: want to now in part to your children, piece of advice,

1013
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: The way he lived what he believed.

1014
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: I think some verbalized versions of you know, family is everything,

1015
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: like be good to your family, take care of your family.

1016
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: You know, his priority was his family. For as much

1017
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: as he was around, it was his priority. And I

1018
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: think from like action he was like randomly kind to

1019
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: the most unlikely people, Like he had this like soft

1020
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: heart because he was pretty like conservative politically, you know,

1021
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: but he would like stop on the side of the

1022
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: road and like help somebody change a tire or like

1023
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: stick up for a We did a daily show bit. Yeah,

1024
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: in Chicago. My dad was hanging out. He was like

1025
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: seventy maybe at the time. And long story short, there

1026
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: was a guy who's little five year old kept ruining

1027
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: the shot like I'm doing a stand up parody piece whatever,

1028
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: and the director's like, and my dad's like, heyhy don't

1029
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: you We're trying to We're trying to.

1030
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: He was speaking up for the director.

1031
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like, why don't you control your kid.

1032
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 3: We're trying to, like, we we're trying to get this done.

1033
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: And guy's like, hey, why don't you mind your own business?

1034
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: And my dad gets up. He's like he was ready

1035
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: to be ready to go. Seventy years old, he's ready

1036
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: to throw hands.

1037
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm like, dad, stop, dad, Dad, He's

1038
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: got your back. That's true comedy. I've got your back

1039
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: for real. Yeah, Yeah, that's incredible seventy years old. Had

1040
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: you ever seen that side of him before? The like

1041
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready to fight?

1042
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a temper and I don't think I

1043
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: saw it. Uh. There were stories when he was married

1044
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: with kids where he did get in fights. Okay, And

1045
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: he told me once he there was one time, I

1046
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: don't know, somebody said something. You know, they're at a

1047
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: bar or something. Somebody said something to my mom and

1048
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: they took it outside and he said it was like

1049
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: I was. It was so like rough, like getting in

1050
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: a fight and like to near death. He's like, I

1051
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: can't do this anymore.

1052
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, Okay, I think we're done. But at

1053
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: seventy I will do one. I'll dibble, dabble a little

1054
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: more if I need to, so we can get this

1055
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: damn shop for the Daily Show.

1056
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1057
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: So, did you know you wanted to be a dad? Yeah?

1058
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: I think so.

1059
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: I think I had to get my act together whatever

1060
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: that entailed.

1061
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: Can I ask what that does entail? Matt? Did you

1062
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: were talking about financially emotionally?

1063
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: I think like for people like us, it's sort of career.

1064
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 3: It's sort of like creative passion. Yeah, you burn through

1065
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: that and then you settle into like probably emotional maturities

1066
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: by the last part of it to come. And then

1067
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: along the way you have relationships where you learn how

1068
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: to slightly become a better partner perhaps, or or pick

1069
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: a better partner, but not in a therapeutic focused map

1070
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 3: that way, you just sort of improvised as we do. Yes, right,

1071
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: are the things I would say, is how you get

1072
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: your act together?

1073
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 1: Right? So then by the time your kids came into

1074
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: the picture. So you're married to Morgan, kids come in

1075
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: the picture, she's pregnant, were you like, Okay, I feel ready,

1076
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: I feel like actice together. Okay.

1077
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: As hokey as it sounds, I think when we met,

1078
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: I was a better version of myself and I was

1079
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: ready to be sort of I don't know, candid and

1080
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: fully myself in a way.

1081
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: What do you think clicked to allow that? Namely the

1082
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: part about like being able to be fully yourself, the

1083
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: better version of yourself? I think I understand.

1084
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: I think there's a sense of confidence and sense of

1085
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: place that at some point in your life you don't

1086
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: really care how you come over on people. I think

1087
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 3: a lot of times we or I did. I can

1088
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: only speak for myself. I think I wanted to people please,

1089
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: or I wanted to be in a We all still

1090
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: in this career, we all still want to be further along.

1091
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: So that's sort of always always.

1092
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sort of desperation or that sort of nervousness

1093
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: or that sort of sense of drive that you feel

1094
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: like you always got to be working hard at some

1095
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: point that just you know it lessons, it's sort of

1096
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: you're just like, I don't really care, like whatever.

1097
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: You just have more of that attitude.

1098
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: I think, right right, that makes sense. Now, are you

1099
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: a strict parent?

1100
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: I can be, okay, but also, like my father, I

1101
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: do travel a lot.

1102
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: Like I'm gone a lot.

1103
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: So like when I did veep, yeah I was, you know,

1104
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: I was gone for like weeks at a time, you know,

1105
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: for half the year. So it's weird to come back

1106
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 3: into a thing that's working really well and go, okay,

1107
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: how we're going to do things and then Morgan's like,

1108
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: please stop like getting.

1109
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 2: Met, like, don't.

1110
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've trained is on the track, the train is

1111
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 3: on the tracks.

1112
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: Yeah you're you just jumped on the train, sir.

1113
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: You can't come in here motion trains in motion, Just

1114
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: sit out.

1115
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: I started chuckling in advance of your answer because I

1116
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: was imagining I'm like, yeah, a traveling parent who then

1117
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: comes pops in when they can and is like we're

1118
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: doing it this way, we're doing that. Why is this happening?

1119
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I don't think you're allowed to do that.

1120
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I'm like, I'm the strict one. Like I'm

1121
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: stricter than Morgan. Morgan is more sensitive and like has

1122
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: a harder time. Like, am I neglecting them by being stern?

1123
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1124
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1125
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: And I don't have a problem with that.

1126
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: No issue being stern. Wait, first of all, how many

1127
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: kids do we you have?

1128
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: We have three?

1129
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: Three, okay, and then four including me.

1130
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: Now so i'm your four. Yeah, you're the fourth.

1131
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: You should tell Morgan. By the way, I don't know

1132
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: I've accepted a role.

1133
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: You're the old Well you're the oldest.

1134
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: Now I'm the oldest. Yeah.

1135
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: So you're easy. Yeah, and you're an easy kid.

1136
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: I honestly, in my humble opinion, I was always an

1137
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: easy kid. I mean I would have to ask my mom,

1138
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: but I think I was always an easy kid.

1139
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, you're you're in Brooklyn, you have a career.

1140
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: It's like, don't need money.

1141
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: Don't need money.

1142
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: No, you've seem you're on your two feet, you see,

1143
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: doing all right.

1144
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Of sound mind, at least five days out of the week,

1145
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: I would say, all right, everyone gets a little forty

1146
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: eight hour period to go insane number a week, I say,

1147
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: at least, so there's three of them. Do you care

1148
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: if they're scared of you? Does that matter to you?

1149
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: Or do you think a little fear is good?

1150
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: I think sometimes there were times when they were younger

1151
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: where I probably lost my shit too much and I

1152
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: could see that I probably was like too loud or

1153
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: something mm hmm, like I never hit them or anything

1154
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 3: like that, but they're aren't because we're.

1155
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: So big and they're so little, right, So.

1156
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: I guess I don't ever want them to fear me.

1157
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: Right, But then when you saw those moments when in

1158
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: real time and it's like, okay, I've raised my voice.

1159
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: I think the volume of my size is maybe scaring

1160
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: my kid. Did you go into immediate like okay, repair,

1161
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: I need to fix this and I need to meet

1162
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: them with the opposite energy or it would.

1163
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: Be like it would be a cool down period and

1164
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: then maybe whatever thirty minutes later, a hour later, I

1165
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: would come back and go, Okay, I'm sorry I yelled,

1166
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: but I can't turn it around that quickly. Maybe I

1167
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 3: need a little like yeah away time I only.

1168
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: Barely believe in astrology. What's your sign?

1169
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: Uh? Do you want to guess?

1170
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess one. Just for shits and giggles,

1171
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: I will say I feel incredibly ignorant on the topic

1172
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: relatively because I know some people who are so invested

1173
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: and know it so well. I find it like he

1174
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: he haha. Interesting. I'm going to based on what you

1175
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: just said and needing the cool down period, I go,

1176
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: are you me? Do we have the same DNA? You are?

1177
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: Of course my dad for the day, but I am like, oh,

1178
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: we might be related because I also would need to

1179
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: like cool down after I'm upset. I can't snap out

1180
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: of it that quickly, which in my opinion just means

1181
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: it's real. But Pisces, are you a Pisces? Are you

1182
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: a water sign?

1183
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1184
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 3: I'm a Libra.

1185
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Are they water?

1186
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: No?

1187
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: I think that's a no. I was going to say

1188
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: that's a lion.

1189
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: But metal metal metal, it's metal scale.

1190
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, justice arbitrary of justice or something like that. Okay,

1191
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: got it. Okay, that's that's interesting. How do they respond

1192
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: in those moments so when you come back after do

1193
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: you feel like they're like okay forgiven.

1194
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it helps. I think it slowly works through.

1195
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: And then it's teenagers are really a lot harder than

1196
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: little ones.

1197
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So how many teenagers do you have?

1198
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 3: We have two, We're going to have three in December.

1199
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: Our youngest will be thirteen.

1200
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so you said they're the hardest. They're harder than

1201
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: young ones, because what.

1202
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: Because the challenges are complicated. When they're little, it's like

1203
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 3: keep them safe, keep them fed, keep them clean, make

1204
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: sure they get sleep, have fun with them. And you

1205
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: can carry them on their arm and put them on

1206
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: an airline tray, and you can make you can cook

1207
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: dinner with a baby and your beorn. It's all very

1208
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 3: The goals are very simple for me at least. And

1209
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: then when they're sixteen or seventeen and they ask you

1210
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: questions or they come with, you know, their opinions about

1211
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 3: someone who's getting canceled and they don't like someone let's say,

1212
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: and I'm like, all right, I spoke, Okay, wait, what's

1213
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: slowed down?

1214
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: Mm hm?

1215
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 3: You know, or or they have a judgment about something

1216
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: or yeah, or they don't want to do something, and

1217
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 3: then they have really good logic and you're like.

1218
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: Trying not to lose.

1219
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: You're cool, Like there's all those scenarios that come up.

1220
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, well, say you're in an exchange with one

1221
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: of your teenage kids and their logic is really good.

1222
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't really want to get to the bottom of this,

1223
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: and you're my first dad to allow me the space

1224
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 1: to talk about this. So teenage kid, their logic's really good,

1225
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: and you're wrong. You've already said you're willing to apologize

1226
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: when you're like, I like popped off a little too

1227
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: much and I'm gonna say sorry, which I don't know

1228
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: a ton of parents that apologize, at least not when

1229
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: I was growing up. But did your parents ever apologize

1230
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: to you?

1231
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: Just? Okay? Really there were times.

1232
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: No, there were times, but probably when I was older.

1233
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: Not when I was little.

1234
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So like, so you have a teen you

1235
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: have a teenager in your house. Their logic is super strong,

1236
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: and you're kind of stuck. What do you do? Yeah, well, like, yeah.

1237
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: There's these pop up concerts, like somebody will put out

1238
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: on TikTok, like, oh, my friend's doing a show and

1239
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: the Forest Preserve out in Calabasas and my son's sixteen,

1240
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: and he's meeting some friends, right, and then it's like

1241
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: this thing's in motion.

1242
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: And then I'm and I'm like, I don't I don't

1243
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 2: like it.

1244
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 3: I'll say that like you can't go why I'm going

1245
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: with so and so and so and so on, and

1246
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: this mom's picking me up. But I'm like, I know,

1247
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: but it's just like it's calabasis. I don't know where

1248
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: you save it. But and then they give you all

1249
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: the details sometimes and it's worked. Sometimes it doesn't. Always

1250
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, look you, I don't have the logical argument,

1251
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: but my gut, which I trust, is telling me this

1252
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: isn't a good scenario. And so there will be times

1253
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: in our life, your relationship with me where I just

1254
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: don't have the right words to appease you or I

1255
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: don't have the right words to express it. But my

1256
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: gut is telling me this is no bueno and it's

1257
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: not going to happen. Well, I apologize that I don't

1258
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: have the words.

1259
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: Because they'll go why why why?

1260
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: Why? And that sometimes works. That's my default is telling me,

1261
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: and I can't quite you know, give me thirty minutes tomorrow.

1262
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: I bet I'll have a better reason. But right now

1263
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't have it.

1264
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually really like that. I think that back

1265
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, because I do know that

1266
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: I was a fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old like why why? Why? No? No,

1267
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I understand, you know, I've been doing everything you've

1268
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: told me to do to this point, but now I've

1269
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: got some questions, and I'd be like why. I think

1270
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: that would have worked on me because I also now

1271
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: that I'm so intrigued by parents, like with parenting and

1272
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: psychology and the way our minds work and the way

1273
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: they form. I feel like all childhood psychologists would be like, well,

1274
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: that's not bad, because then you're telling your kid too. Hey,

1275
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just a gut thing and you should trust

1276
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: your gut. The way right now, I'm trusting my gut

1277
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: and saying no, you can't go to that thing. If

1278
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: this makes you you weren't looking for reassurance at all.

1279
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: And again I don't have kids, but I'm like, oh,

1280
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: I really think that. I you know, so many times

1281
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: in that scenario with a teenager, and I've been a

1282
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: teenager where it's just like no, and it's because I

1283
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: said so. I never like those types of exchanges someone

1284
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: would say that because then you know your kid might

1285
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: go off and go someone else said so. So Now

1286
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: I just did the thing because you told me. I'm

1287
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: sob mindlessly just honor because someone else said so. But

1288
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: I can get behind a parent going I think I'm older. Now,

1289
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm not anyone's parent. I am someone's kid, but I'm

1290
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: not you know, at their mercy. But I'm like, yeah,

1291
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: if you said, thank you for laying out all who's going,

1292
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: But my gut right now does not feel good about it.

1293
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: And my job is to protect you. And I would

1294
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: feel sick if something happened to you and I didn't

1295
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: listen to my gut. Yeah, So do me a solid

1296
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: and not don't go.

1297
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't have the words right now for

1298
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: what it is.

1299
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: And when they're little, because I said so works, but

1300
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: when they're teenagers or as they get older, it doesn't work.

1301
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: And so also doesn't feel good. On the other side,

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Speaker 1: just as a former child, I'm like, it doesn't feel

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Speaker 1: good when someone says that to you and they go

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Speaker 1: right because I said so, and I go. I'm also

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Speaker 1: a person. I know I'm young. I might not pay bills,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. Let's talk.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes because I said so is fatigue from a

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Speaker 3: parent listening to.

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Speaker 2: A nine year old Goot, but why but why?

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Speaker 3: But why?

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Speaker 2: And that's a full day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then you're getting in the car and they

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Speaker 3: want to do one more swing on the swing and

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Speaker 3: you're like, you got a bedtime, you got school tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the two hundredth Why why Why?

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Speaker 3: Because I said so? Is communicating like I'm at my

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Speaker 3: boiling point?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? That makes sense? Is what I

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Speaker 1: understand that. And that's the part of me that goes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I haven't had that kid in my back seat all

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Speaker 1: day grilling me on why why why? Why?

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Speaker 3: Why? Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, we're done, We're at the threshold. I've

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Speaker 1: got nothing else for. You can't engage in this exchange.

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Speaker 1: And what I'm saying has to go. So because I

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Speaker 1: said so, that makes sense, That makes perfect sense. I

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Speaker 1: get that. Do you give your kids any advice now

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Speaker 1: in terms of how they should conduct themselves or do

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Speaker 1: you think you're more of a like just fu all My.

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Speaker 3: Example advice that I give my kids. One thing I

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Speaker 3: heard on a radio or podcast is that sometimes, well,

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Speaker 3: one I'm terrified of drugs. So I'm like, don't do

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Speaker 3: any powders, don't smoke anything that someone hands you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you ever have a question or if you're ever

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Speaker 3: in trouble, a place you can always call.

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Speaker 2: You'll never get in trouble.

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Speaker 3: That's not advice, right, So advice would be, uh, what's advice?

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Speaker 1: But it kind of is, though met But also you're

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Speaker 1: in a pinch because we're going to do a part two.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to count that as advice. Okay, but then

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Speaker 1: I have to end each episode because I want to

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Speaker 1: honor your time asking my dad for the day at

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Speaker 1: you for a piece of advice. I have a question

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Speaker 1: for you, and I would love your advice on it.

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Speaker 1: What's going on in my life is I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of little tattoos. I'm really enjoying it. I'm having fun.

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Speaker 1: Three years ago I had zero tattoos. Now I think

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Speaker 1: I have fourteen. They're tiny, tiny little guys. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Dad, I should cap it there? Enough is or

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Speaker 1: do you think if I'm still enjoying it, keep getting tattoos?

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Speaker 3: Why do you why do you think you ask yourself

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Speaker 3: the question? Or where is the fear behind that question? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great question. I have not had one

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Speaker 1: volley to me, Well, my mom is not into tattoos.

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Speaker 1: She's not like a hard like nose turned up, like disgusting,

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Speaker 1: going on rants about them. But she's just like, you

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Speaker 1: don't need to mark your body, don't You really don't

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Speaker 1: need to. And my grandmother and grandfather had tribal tattoos,

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Speaker 1: so I was like they had them. She was like

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Speaker 1: they were fashionable when they were coming up, and I go, well,

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Speaker 1: they're fashionable again, lady, So here I am. So that's

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Speaker 1: my thing where I go. I did have zero three

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Speaker 1: years ago, which I feel like a different person then,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like people said they were addictive, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, not me. I just want these two and

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Speaker 1: I'm done. And I'm done because I'm going zero to

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Speaker 1: two and now fourteen later, and I'm a little like, oh,

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Speaker 1: is this the addiction people were talking about? Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: it where you go. I don't think I'll ever cover

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Speaker 1: my arm up or anything crazy like that. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean to call that crazy. I just think that

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Speaker 1: is a departure for me.

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Speaker 3: I think you have a fear of addiction or crossing

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Speaker 3: a line that you maybe in this moment, don't intend to.

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Speaker 3: So I would say, explore a boundary for yourself and say, like,

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Speaker 3: here's the region that I will never violate. Okay, something

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Speaker 3: I don't that's a bad example, but no, it's helpful though,

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Speaker 3: Like we know, we know we're not going to ruin

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Speaker 3: the money maker, right.

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Speaker 1: No, necky neck next time?

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Speaker 2: Well whatever, I won't get in your body.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, I have boundaries, have some real boundaries

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, think about it, and maybe maybe that'll give you

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Speaker 3: less fear. Okay, where where's the region that like, okay,

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Speaker 3: the leg We've already got three there whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, this is helpful. Matt, do you want

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Speaker 1: to plug anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm in a movie called The Good Half, The Good

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Speaker 3: Half that's out on your platforms right now.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 3: It's got a great cast, and I do a podcas

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Speaker 3: cast with Tim Simons where we go through old episodes

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Speaker 3: of VIEP called Second in Command.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to Second in Command, the podcast Matt does

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Speaker 1: with Tim Simons. They're watching VIEP. You heard it from him.

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Speaker 1: I feel the need to reiterate it because I really

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Speaker 1: want you to. And the Good Half, the Good Half

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Speaker 1: is out streaming everywhere. It's got a good cast according

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Speaker 1: to my dad for the day, so watch it.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you being here. Thank you so so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. Thank you for that sage wisdom

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Speaker 1: and advice. I'm gonna really take that out into the

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Speaker 1: world for myself. So I appreciate you. We will do

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Speaker 1: a part two. Thank you so much. Okay, Why Thanks

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Speaker 1: Dad is a headgum podcast created and hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Anya Kanfskaya and edited by Rochelle Chen with executive producer

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Speaker 1: Emma Foley. Katie Moose is our VP of Content at Headgum.

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