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Speaker 1: It is Monday, October fourth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirty three. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star, and today we get to talk about another
Speaker 1: win for the Cowboys. Cowboys beat Carolina Panthers thirty six,
Speaker 1: twenty eight in a game that had a lot of
Speaker 1: different parts of it. In the early parts of the game,
Speaker 1: it was pretty close. Cowboys then took a big lead
Speaker 1: then and they started to see it dwindle a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then obviously they pull out the win at the end.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna give you give you guys an idea
Speaker 1: of what we thought of that game. There were lots
Speaker 1: of things too, things to discuss. Let's start first with
Speaker 1: a big picture. What's the big picture story of this game?
Speaker 1: As we do every Monday. Let's start first with you, Nick.
Speaker 1: They they won when they needed to, they needed to
Speaker 1: get in the third quarter, and in this game, I
Speaker 1: felt like was slipping away a little bit at halftime.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a good feeling about it, and they
Speaker 1: just kind of they Yeah, I didn't think they're winning.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they I didn't think they were gonna
Speaker 1: win it. And then they just exploded and just did
Speaker 1: what good teams do. They just kind of figure out
Speaker 1: ways to adjust and go in there and one, you know,
Speaker 1: they won the game. And you know, I thought I
Speaker 1: thought it was it was a close, one score game,
Speaker 1: that's what it ended up being. But I mean I
Speaker 1: thought it was a game against a good physical football team,
Speaker 1: and they they were better than them. I guess if
Speaker 1: you're talking big picture all seventeen games, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're supposed to do with this offense.
Speaker 1: That's the big thing for me. Other teams in a
Speaker 1: good way. I just week by week, they just keep
Speaker 1: stacking ways that they can beat you. And yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: the ground game fueled it all this week, but the
Speaker 1: way that they played off it as well, and it's interesting,
Speaker 1: I know, Michael Gallups hurt, so that changes things. But
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore loves him some twelve personnel man and it works.
Speaker 1: They ran for two hundred and forty five yards in
Speaker 1: this game or was it fifty five? Either way, a
Speaker 1: boatload of yards and a big PI. And then the
Speaker 1: reason I brought up twelve personnel is Dalton Schultz and
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin come on and are and hold their own
Speaker 1: in the blocking game. I don't think they're so good
Speaker 1: in space, but when they're on the line and are
Speaker 1: just going after their guys, they're more than adequate. And
Speaker 1: then that opens up so many other things. Jarwin gets
Speaker 1: in the end zone for the first time this season,
Speaker 1: Schultz with another touchdown. Just the way that you can
Speaker 1: play off of those things, and just week by week,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are showing you eighteen different ways they can
Speaker 1: beat you. They can sling it around with the best
Speaker 1: of them, especially when Gallup comes back. They've got two
Speaker 1: tight ends who help in the running and passing game.
Speaker 1: They've got a quarterback who knows how to spread it
Speaker 1: around and doesn't care who the ball goes to. And
Speaker 1: they've got the best one two running back duo in
Speaker 1: the league. I said that as a question because I
Speaker 1: was trying to think if I'm like, is there a
Speaker 1: better one? If there is, I can't think of it.
Speaker 1: Zeke and Tony Pollard are playing on another level right now,
Speaker 1: and so when you think about the big picture and
Speaker 1: how this team is gonna win games, there can't be
Speaker 1: more than three or four defenses in the league that
Speaker 1: can really match up and stop these guys. Maybe not
Speaker 1: even that many. Yeah, it's it's pretty impressive what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And I think that the story of that game when
Speaker 1: you look at it just from the way they played
Speaker 1: it is the running game obviously, two undred forty five yards.
Speaker 1: Zeke at twenty carris for one hundred and forty three
Speaker 1: yards with a touchdown. Pollard put in another ten carries
Speaker 1: for sixty seven yards. I mean, it's just really impressive.
Speaker 1: I would I haven't done the study, but I would
Speaker 1: suspect if you took polloge numbers for the season, he's
Speaker 1: probably up there with some lead backs around the league,
Speaker 1: and he's getting this as a secondary back here in
Speaker 1: Dallas behind Zeke, I believe I read this morning, he's
Speaker 1: leading the league in yards per carry, and that doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise Zeke's top five by the way, before we get
Speaker 1: all worried about it. And also I said all of
Speaker 1: that without really mentioning the offensive line. They mauled those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean they and we talk a lot about Tyler
Speaker 1: battish and maybe the past protection is not where you
Speaker 1: want it to be. It's not as amazing as it
Speaker 1: could be. They're pretty damn good in the run game.
Speaker 1: I mean, second straight week, really, third straight week, they've
Speaker 1: just blown the opposition over and this was the number
Speaker 1: one run defense in the league that they just destroyed. Yeah, Nick,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a chance to sound off about this
Speaker 1: running game, particularly because I know, going into last week
Speaker 1: one of the things and I can't even remember if
Speaker 1: he said on the show where if it was just
Speaker 1: in conversations that we have, but you were like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this opposing defense, and yeah, they're aggressive
Speaker 1: and they come at you, and they're fast, which means
Speaker 1: they're probably a little light, which also means you might
Speaker 1: be able to push them around. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what we saw, Yester. Yeah, that's exactly what we saw.
Speaker 1: And I think we're done saying that. Terrence Steele is
Speaker 1: a you know, athletic pass blocker, because he did an
Speaker 1: outstanding job there. I all you have to do is
Speaker 1: look at the touchdown or not the touchdown, the forty
Speaker 1: seven yard run by Zeke or forty nine yard That
Speaker 1: right there is the best example of a team that's blocking.
Speaker 1: I wish we could kind of show it and put
Speaker 1: it out there. But if you get a chance to
Speaker 1: go and watch that play, everybody is doing their job.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got their guy. Steele's got his guy nine yards back.
Speaker 1: I mean he's pushing him into the safety position, but
Speaker 1: I mean the tight ends open it up. It is
Speaker 1: a perfectly executed play, and that's just an example of
Speaker 1: kind of what they were doing all along. Knowing all
Speaker 1: of that two point conversion from the one, I just
Speaker 1: can't even imagine why you wouldn't just say, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: run these big boys with McGovern now playing, that's some fullback.
Speaker 1: He's got it figured out there. I love it. I
Speaker 1: just that's the one calm like I'm kind of surprised about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just gonna save that because in the
Speaker 1: final segment we're gonna talk a little bit about decision making.
Speaker 1: There were quite a few of those I've got a
Speaker 1: few things I think about that. I think we can
Speaker 1: discuss a little bit about what happened, and again we're
Speaker 1: gonna put all that in context, because when you win,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to kill anybody, particularly the coach, when
Speaker 1: you get a win. But I do think there was
Speaker 1: some curious moments in that game yesterday that we that
Speaker 1: we definitely need to talk about. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this. The passing game yesterday.
Speaker 1: Obviously they didn't need to do a lot. Dak was
Speaker 1: fourteen of twenty two, one hundred and eighty eight yards.
Speaker 1: He had four touchdowns, no interceptions, and this was the
Speaker 1: key staff for me. He was sacked zero times. And
Speaker 1: this was a team going in we talked about all
Speaker 1: last week. They are the top pressure team in the league.
Speaker 1: They come and get the quarterback. That's what to predicate on.
Speaker 1: In the first series, we saw them being really aggressive
Speaker 1: with a lot of blitzing, and it seemed like either
Speaker 1: they got tired of that or just wasn't working because
Speaker 1: I just didn't see him around Dak a ton once
Speaker 1: once that game kept going. How ironic is that the
Speaker 1: first play of the game was a sack and he
Speaker 1: just kind of threw the ball over and I can't
Speaker 1: I can't believe they even allowed that to happen, especially
Speaker 1: after what we've seen with the Charger game and all that.
Speaker 1: That looked like a sack all the way, you know,
Speaker 1: forward progress being stopped. We've we've seen that a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Then to think, Okay, that wasn't a sack
Speaker 1: and they're not going to get one the entire game,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Not to mention well, I mean it worked out,
Speaker 1: but Dak maybe live to fight another play. It reminded
Speaker 1: me of what Reggie Bush did in that National title
Speaker 1: game against Texas, just like it's an amazing play if
Speaker 1: you pull it off, which Dak did, but could be
Speaker 1: very disastrous. It really it felt like their pressure was
Speaker 1: getting to him, to be honest, in the first half, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first half it did. Yeah. I mean they're scoring drives.
Speaker 1: You know. The first scoring drive was just they just
Speaker 1: ran the ball down their throats. I think Dak might
Speaker 1: have only thrown two passes that entire possession, but it
Speaker 1: seem the way they were doing it too. They were
Speaker 1: doing a lot of extra tight end with three tight ends.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they were bringing him a government as a thirteen personnel,
Speaker 1: a lot of heavy personnel exactly. It did seem like
Speaker 1: they struggled to get that figured out. But then that's
Speaker 1: why I loved. I think halftime adjustments gets overused. I mean,
Speaker 1: all of these guys are in communication constantly, you would
Speaker 1: just as the game goes on, which people will tell
Speaker 1: you every time. But I did love. I mean, first
Speaker 1: possession of the third quarter, they come out, they've been
Speaker 1: struggling with pressure, they had to punt a few times
Speaker 1: in the first half. Tony Pollard gets in there, steps up,
Speaker 1: picks up the blitz double move, thirty five yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: which if you could just give him that extra fraction
Speaker 1: of a second, those plays open up when teams bring pressure,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I mean it's super impressive that they
Speaker 1: didn't sack him, but from that point that made it
Speaker 1: a twenty fourteen game, And from that point it just
Speaker 1: felt like they were leaning on him with the run. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you run the ball that many times
Speaker 1: for that many yards, you're not giving the opposition a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunity to rush the passer. Yeah, you talk
Speaker 1: about halftime adjustments, and I don't know if this was
Speaker 1: a halftime adjustment or if the team just came out
Speaker 1: with a little more resolve. I don't know what happened,
Speaker 1: but you think about that, coming right out of the
Speaker 1: out of halftime, they go touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, Like that's
Speaker 1: what That's when I was like, Okay, this team is
Speaker 1: a little different. They're a little different than even what
Speaker 1: you've seen in the past when you thought they had
Speaker 1: a pretty good team. Like the ability sometimes when you're
Speaker 1: at you know, when you're when you're facing a really
Speaker 1: good opponent, which I think this is a good opponent.
Speaker 1: I think the when we get to the end of
Speaker 1: the season, we'll look at Carolina. Carolina will be a
Speaker 1: good team. But that all being said, I think that
Speaker 1: you know their ability when in the first half when
Speaker 1: things were a little bit like Nikki, you even said
Speaker 1: at halftime, you're a little worried, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: they're not seeming to find it, and coming out of half,
Speaker 1: it's just like pop pop pop, just like that, and
Speaker 1: before you know what, the lead is really big and
Speaker 1: it's like here you go. You know, well, Zeke said
Speaker 1: they came out with their piss hot, so that was
Speaker 1: probably why. Oh okay, it's just I just wanted to throw.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite quote that came out of that game.
Speaker 1: My favorite quote was what Dave said in the press
Speaker 1: box afterwards. What was it? Oh, yeah, you can't say
Speaker 1: that on the radio. No, you just said, I it's
Speaker 1: not you to do with the doctor. Oh that part, okay?
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about something else. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: I was like, isn't I was like, isn't everybody's piss hot?
Speaker 1: Like that's just biology but not hot. All right, We're okay,
Speaker 1: let's not go down. You need to go see somebody.
Speaker 1: You asked for the big picture and we gave it
Speaker 1: to you. But like the story of this one game
Speaker 1: for me, is the word biology ever been on our
Speaker 1: show before? Sure somewhere, Sorry, go ahead, it's so far off.
Speaker 1: I think that third quarter is the best quarter of
Speaker 1: football the Cowboys have played in the decade that I've
Speaker 1: been watching them. Really surround and that's the funny things, Okay,
Speaker 1: surrounded by three quarters of like football, I mean the
Speaker 1: fourth letting him, which I try not to overreact to
Speaker 1: Carolina coming back. It's just like the NBA, Like this
Speaker 1: is the NFL. You it is hard to beat teams
Speaker 1: by three scores. In the NFL, you just don't see
Speaker 1: it a lot. Buffalo is on a crazy run right now.
Speaker 1: They've played some bad teams during that stretch, but you
Speaker 1: just don't see week after week beat downs in this league.
Speaker 1: So you kind of expect Caroline's gonna come back a
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe not as much as they should have.
Speaker 1: Cowboys probably should have won that game by fifteen. That
Speaker 1: feels fair. Yeah, Um, first and second quarter kind of
Speaker 1: by that third quarter, seriously, an offense in defense one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards of offense, twenty points, two takeaways.
Speaker 1: They just b slapped them all over the field for
Speaker 1: a whole quarter and they didn't even get the football
Speaker 1: to start the quarter, which usually that happens when you
Speaker 1: dominate the quarter of means you dominate, you had the
Speaker 1: whole you know, you took it the whole time. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought the key play of the game was that
Speaker 1: was the sack with the two rookies goal stud in
Speaker 1: Odigi Zua, which, by the way, Michael Parsons really makes
Speaker 1: that play, but that's that's what he does. Um. And
Speaker 1: did you know, and we look this up in this
Speaker 1: in the in the I asked the PR guys to
Speaker 1: look this up in the press box. It's the first
Speaker 1: time since two thousand and five with DeMarcus Ware, Jay
Speaker 1: Ratliffe and Chris Canny that three rookies got a sack
Speaker 1: in a game, Wally. Yeah. And these aren't just rookies,
Speaker 1: these are the three that they drafted to help with
Speaker 1: this pass rush. Yeah. And ironically, what do they do
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five though, was a year they
Speaker 1: went all in on defense, and they remade their defense
Speaker 1: with the draft, right, and where may it is going
Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer? So which one of
Speaker 1: these guys, multiple of these guys, probably the one that
Speaker 1: was drafted eleventh overall, which was where and then let's
Speaker 1: see Parsons was tenth, but twelve, it's is eleven, but
Speaker 1: he wears eleven. I'm gonna go there. You're gonna put
Speaker 1: him in all right? Yeah, let's go. I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: him in All Fame Championship the whole night, wish one
Speaker 1: all in. I'm not doing that. But it's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: amazing what they're getting. He's I mean, Parsons, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it's not surprising, because I'm surprised by
Speaker 1: just how amazing he is as quickly, but you at
Speaker 1: least you put high expectations on a top twelve pick
Speaker 1: Osa and especially Gholston, I can't get pointless. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: If and and maybe this isn't fair, but if a
Speaker 1: rookie who's not a first round pick misses all of
Speaker 1: training camp, which Neville didn't miss all of training camp,
Speaker 1: but he's a perfect example. Last year, it took Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore till November to really kind of understand what was
Speaker 1: going on and start flashing and start flashing. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a healthy and active for at least a
Speaker 1: couple of games last season at the start. Chauncey Golston
Speaker 1: misses all of training camp and Mike McCarthy blew me
Speaker 1: away when he said this. He was like, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: will be the first time he's put on pad since
Speaker 1: he was at Iowa. That was two weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: he's out there just kicking people around. What's what's that
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl? Yeah, okay, you're right, Senior Bowl practice. So,
Speaker 1: just because I know that was a story with technically
Speaker 1: while he was out of college but he was still
Speaker 1: a draft prospect. Hasn't done it at the pro level.
Speaker 1: Let's put it out and for him to come out.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how many snaps he played. You know,
Speaker 1: he made a nice play both of those guys, not
Speaker 1: just the sack on third and one when Darnold was
Speaker 1: tried to run the quarterback sneak, which I thought, you
Speaker 1: know who would get it easily, and it was those
Speaker 1: two guys that came in there and and stuffed him.
Speaker 1: He played forty nine snaps second game, no training camp.
Speaker 1: Half a sack, quarterback hit five tackles. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not the best quote of the days. Zactually get racks.
Speaker 1: Racks like it. That's Randy had another good one too. No,
Speaker 1: you don't have to explain that. I was just making
Speaker 1: sure Randy keep ran like it's funny like Randy he
Speaker 1: knows the reality versus the perception all at the same time.
Speaker 1: So Randy Gregory has a great game, he has two sacks.
Speaker 1: He finally gets on the stat sheet and he's been
Speaker 1: saying this whole time. He's like, it's not just about sacks.
Speaker 1: You do this, that and the other, but you still
Speaker 1: want the sacks. And today he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably should have had another one. And that's a lot
Speaker 1: of money getting left on the table today, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is, and I'm just like, I appreciate
Speaker 1: that you understand there's more to it than sacks, but
Speaker 1: you also know what's going to help your contract the
Speaker 1: most next year. Honestly, just listen to his post game.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would love more Randy Gregory. He's awesome
Speaker 1: on the mic, like that that do fantastic listening to
Speaker 1: him talk. It's just he's so like insightful. He gives
Speaker 1: you good answers, you learn a little something from what
Speaker 1: he's talking about, and he's out the personality to make
Speaker 1: it interesting. It's just he's really really good. I think
Speaker 1: Randy's been through so much that he doesn't really care
Speaker 1: about being PC on the microphone. You know, not that
Speaker 1: he says all this inappropriate stuff, but he's just gonna
Speaker 1: be real because he's like, Oh, what's gonna happen. My
Speaker 1: quote's gonna get taken out of context. Oh no, I've
Speaker 1: missed half of my career due to suspension. Who cares,
Speaker 1: he's got a tartish for a start. No. I love
Speaker 1: listening to him talk after the game. All r We're
Speaker 1: gonna take our first, our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we gotta get to who I think was the player
Speaker 1: of the game, mister Trayvon Diggs. An exciting game for him,
Speaker 1: a really good game, and then something interesting in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that we got to talk about and what
Speaker 1: that means maybe going for We'll talk about that when
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is the second segment of the Break
Speaker 1: Life in the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about Treyvon Diggs and this dude
Speaker 1: is a legit baller. He yesterday had two interceptions, one
Speaker 1: that he took back for a touchdown. He now has
Speaker 1: five in the first he didn't nuchdown yesterday. Yest not
Speaker 1: pick six, Yester pick six, Yes, I mean week last week.
Speaker 1: But he has five interceptions in four games. Everything he's
Speaker 1: doing is just different than what we've seen around here
Speaker 1: from the cornerback position. Maybe going back and I saw
Speaker 1: a tweet from from our buddy Clarence Hill where he
Speaker 1: was kind of comparing him to Dion obviously really early.
Speaker 1: But the point that he was making, which I agree with,
Speaker 1: is I don't know that we've seen a cornerback that
Speaker 1: was a playmaker of that ILK since Dion Sanders. There
Speaker 1: hasn't been one and on this team since Dion Sanders,
Speaker 1: and so not trying to say he's don yet, but
Speaker 1: he certainly adds something to your team that you didn't have,
Speaker 1: that you haven't had in a very very long time. Now.
Speaker 1: They drafted Terrence, knew him to be this type of guy.
Speaker 1: Terrence was a good player, he really was, and very
Speaker 1: very athletic. And you know, he played for a long time.
Speaker 1: I think he played twelve years maybe maybe long time.
Speaker 1: He played a long time, and I actually he did,
Speaker 1: but I think it maybe fifteen years, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you. And the thing about him was, but but
Speaker 1: he he didn't make as many plays on the ball
Speaker 1: is what we've seen Hit with Diggs doing. And I
Speaker 1: thought his interception was very very telling because he really
Speaker 1: wasn't playing the first I'm talking about the first one
Speaker 1: and the second one is just a unbelievable play but
Speaker 1: the first one, he's really playing safety, you know it
Speaker 1: just understanding. He does a great job of looking at
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks eyes. So I thought all of his interceptions
Speaker 1: this year, he really is studying. You can tell he
Speaker 1: studies these quarterbacks. He knows what they're doing, he knows
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do out there, and then throwing
Speaker 1: the ball and he just beats him to the punch.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do describe it, to be honest with you, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the I'm looking at the interception totals for the
Speaker 1: league leaders for the last couple of years. Xavier Howard
Speaker 1: led the NFL last year with ten. New England's JC
Speaker 1: Jackson was behind him with nine. Tyron Matthew had six.
Speaker 1: It's the leaders for the entire season, and he's at five.
Speaker 1: He's at five after four games twenty nineteen. G Norris
Speaker 1: Jenkins had nine, Tredavious White, Anthony Harrison, Stefan Gilmour had
Speaker 1: six for the season. That's the top five league lead.
Speaker 1: So he's got He has a Pro Bowl resume after
Speaker 1: four weeks. That's not an exaggeration. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know what else to say,
Speaker 1: and I mainly I kind of said this tongue in
Speaker 1: cheek yesterday, but I'm serious, like Jordan Lewis and Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown should probably spend some time with the jugs machine
Speaker 1: because they're gonna stop throwing at him. Why why would
Speaker 1: you keep doing it? Especially you think who's on the
Speaker 1: schedule upcoming? You got a rookie quarterback on the horizon
Speaker 1: and Mac Jones's he's captain checkdown right now, which he
Speaker 1: probably should be. He's a rookie, um Daniel Jones, and
Speaker 1: he had a great game yesterday, had a great game yesterday,
Speaker 1: but still not somebody who probably wants to definitely throw
Speaker 1: it away at times. Yeah, okay, Kirk Cousins is pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think, but you're not playing like
Speaker 1: a murderer's row of quarterbacks up until you get to
Speaker 1: my homes. So I would stop throwing at the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want him too, but that's what
Speaker 1: I would do if I were game planning for this defense.
Speaker 1: What makes it hard? But I'm saying that's what's that
Speaker 1: sounds good? But then what I was talking about with
Speaker 1: that first interception they're played like a zone coverage there
Speaker 1: he was kind of right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: field and just I mean, so it's not necessarily just
Speaker 1: him lucking down his guy the whole time. YEP, I
Speaker 1: agree with that. But also what makes it difficult in
Speaker 1: this instance is opponents want to be able to throw
Speaker 1: at their top wide receiver, and if he's on your
Speaker 1: top wide receiver most of the day, that means you're
Speaker 1: basically saying we're not going to go to our top
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And some teams don't have that luxury, you know.
Speaker 1: You look at the Cowboys, they got a lot of options.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams don't have those kinds of options.
Speaker 1: So if you say I'm going to take away your
Speaker 1: top receiver for a lot of teams, that kills their
Speaker 1: offense and what they wanted to do. Which is funny.
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to watch it back, but
Speaker 1: I assume Treyvon covered Dj Moore a lot. DJ Moore
Speaker 1: had a wonderful day, Yeah, he did, which his second
Speaker 1: touchdown was when Trayvon came off the field with his
Speaker 1: back tightness, which I'm sure we'll talk about, but he
Speaker 1: Dj Moore had some success even against Treyvon Diggs. But
Speaker 1: what's fun is if you can get me one or
Speaker 1: two of those plays a game. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: big ask, but I'll take that all day. Same thing.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen statistically had a pretty damn good day, but
Speaker 1: we don't. It didn't read that way because Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: was able to take the ball away, get it back
Speaker 1: to the offense and limited him from scoring and doing
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy damage. So it's it's hidden a
Speaker 1: little bit, but when you weigh it, I'll take that
Speaker 1: all day if you tell me Trayvon Diggs can get
Speaker 1: the ball back, like yeah, Look, the game is built
Speaker 1: for cornerbacks to lose, like this is not the day
Speaker 1: of Dion Sanders, where he could do a lot of
Speaker 1: things back in the day that defensive backs just can't
Speaker 1: do anymore, and so this game is built so that
Speaker 1: cornerbacks will lose. I want a cornerback that, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose some, but give me some big wins. And
Speaker 1: that's what he does. He gets you the big wins
Speaker 1: even though he's gonna lose some, which every cornerback in
Speaker 1: the league is gonna lose some, because that's how the
Speaker 1: game is structured. Let's talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: five sacks that the Cowboys had yesterday. Gregory had two
Speaker 1: Yeah Parsons bash him, Gholston and no DIGGI Zooa both
Speaker 1: had half a sack. What was the key to their
Speaker 1: pressure against this team? I have no choice but to
Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to Dan Quinn And I
Speaker 1: think something Randy said yesterday really stuck with me, which
Speaker 1: was and this goes without saying based on what we've seen,
Speaker 1: he's like, Yeah, Dan knows where to put guys to
Speaker 1: give them the best chance to succeed. And when I
Speaker 1: wrote about this last night shameless plug, you can go
Speaker 1: read it. For them to be without everything that they're
Speaker 1: without in the front seven and get and we know
Speaker 1: Carolina's offensive line is not amazing, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: I get that they'll play better offensive lines, but for
Speaker 1: them to dial up pressure like this with a couple
Speaker 1: of rookies at three rookies all playing their first month
Speaker 1: of the season, a journeyman like Terrell Basham, Randy Gregory's
Speaker 1: a good player, but again, we probably overvalue the guys
Speaker 1: that we cover. Nobody, Nobody thinks of Randy Gregory as
Speaker 1: an all Pro caliber guy around the league, and for
Speaker 1: them to dial all that up without stalwarts, I guess,
Speaker 1: and just having guys coming from this that in every
Speaker 1: direction you see them running games. You pointed out it
Speaker 1: was Mica that really blew that play up that allowed
Speaker 1: Osa and Gholston to come in. I think that's just
Speaker 1: impressive scheming by Dan Quinn. I'm excited to go back
Speaker 1: and take a closer look at what they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, it's only going to
Speaker 1: get a little bit better now. You know. You know
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be set back, there's gonna be injuries,
Speaker 1: there's going to be you know, things that happened. That's
Speaker 1: part of the league. But you know, to think that
Speaker 1: the success they're having on defense and without their their
Speaker 1: best player, really, I mean, I think he's their best player.
Speaker 1: He was the best he was. He's I don't know
Speaker 1: if he still is losing grounds well, but he's he's
Speaker 1: losing ground and he's probably not losing much as a
Speaker 1: player either, you know what I mean? Right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he looked at the Marcus Lawrence we're talking about it,
Speaker 1: and he had you know, he looked like he was
Speaker 1: in great shape, and he had a good game that
Speaker 1: first game. Then he gets hurt, you know, in practice
Speaker 1: of the next week. So he expect him to be back,
Speaker 1: expect Neville Gallimore to be back. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: about expecting anything with Tristan Hill, but he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's still here and he should be back at some point.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph is getting close to coming back. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know. He doesn't jump right in and you know,
Speaker 1: jump over Anthony Brown, who, by the way, had had
Speaker 1: a really nice game. Yeah, he dropped a pass right right,
Speaker 1: I mean he dropped it pass for an interception, which,
Speaker 1: as you as we've said on this show, it's it's
Speaker 1: the difference between you know, being the player of the
Speaker 1: month and being just a good, solid cornerback, right Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: But I mean I like the fact that he's jumping around,
Speaker 1: he's in position, he's playing pretty well. I thought he
Speaker 1: played great yesterday. It's a it stings that he dropped
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's a that's a that's about as
Speaker 1: easy a pick as you're gonna get. It would have
Speaker 1: been his second or third, second, second one last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um that but he played a really nice game. He
Speaker 1: had a few breakups, he was good in coverage. It's
Speaker 1: it was good. It's the pressure though. To me, it's
Speaker 1: the pressure that's getting there that's allowing these guys to
Speaker 1: play with their eyes, jump in front of routes and
Speaker 1: and you know, and it's also the safety help too
Speaker 1: and trusting those guys back there. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Casey's done done a good job. I mean, they it's
Speaker 1: just it's fun. It's a it's a fun it's a
Speaker 1: fun time. But I really believe it's the pass rush
Speaker 1: and it's a guy like Parsons who is just lining
Speaker 1: up everywhere. Yesterday was the one example of him probably
Speaker 1: doing as like almost fifty fifty. It felt like it
Speaker 1: was the most versatile he's been this year because Week
Speaker 1: one he was all linebacker, then he was all edge
Speaker 1: and he was definitely bouncing around yesterday. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I loved it. Yep. The the interesting thought that I
Speaker 1: had though after the game, that'd be interested to get
Speaker 1: you guys's opinion. They still gave up twenty eight points,
Speaker 1: and as you said, d J. Moore had a really
Speaker 1: good day. There were moments in that game that it
Speaker 1: didn't look great for the Cowboys. What do you think
Speaker 1: was the biggest challenge that the Cowboys defense faced yesterday?
Speaker 1: And in giving up the points in the yards that
Speaker 1: they gave up. I think they underestimated Sam Darnold's the
Speaker 1: ability to run. I think that that helped them. That
Speaker 1: helped early on, and then they kind of button that
Speaker 1: up in the second half. But um, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought you but Hubbard did a nice job for them.
Speaker 1: But you know, let's let's be on. If we're gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and say these guys that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: missing d Law and Keane O'Neill and Gallimore, let's not
Speaker 1: forget the All Pro player that Christian McCaffrey is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and they they certainly missed him. You think
Speaker 1: that's a different game yesterday if ki Christian McAffrey play,
Speaker 1: I can't say that it wouldn't be. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is. It was an eight point game.
Speaker 1: He he's a really good player because he helps them
Speaker 1: get off the field. I mean, like on third and
Speaker 1: downs and stuff like that. He can That's what I
Speaker 1: was about to say. They so they killed them on
Speaker 1: third down, well, particularly in the first half. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they were four of six. Credit to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They buttoned down and I think they went oh of
Speaker 1: six their first six opportunities in the third quarter or
Speaker 1: second half. But Christian McCaffrey is exactly the type of
Speaker 1: player that murders you on third down and so running
Speaker 1: in catching. Yeah, so I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say it's a different game, more more so
Speaker 1: than to say, well, d Law was out there, you know.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe we're burying the lead a little bit
Speaker 1: here too, because a big part of that was just
Speaker 1: a bizarre fourth quarter, right, Like the way the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter played out changed probably everything about the way you
Speaker 1: thought about that game. We joked about it again yesterday.
Speaker 1: You were like, time to write star, time to just
Speaker 1: start writing that story. Dave. It's whatever. The score was
Speaker 1: thirty six to fourteen, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they score, and I'm like, don't just don't say that
Speaker 1: stuff anymore. Oh this second for me? Yeah, they I
Speaker 1: mean Zeke said it himself. They I mean they let
Speaker 1: him off the mat. They didn't they had a chance.
Speaker 1: He was we thought they were. He was full of
Speaker 1: he was full of good quotes. Yesterday he was like,
Speaker 1: I want to see us choke somebody out and they did.
Speaker 1: They had that opportunity and they didn't yesterday. And I said,
Speaker 1: it's bizarre because I pulled this up to make sure
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. Mike McCarthy said, Treyvon Diggs could have
Speaker 1: returned to that game if he needed to. That is
Speaker 1: a great tease. We're gonna take off final break and
Speaker 1: when we come back, we're gonna lead into the decisions
Speaker 1: made by the head coach yesterday. There were several that
Speaker 1: we need to talk about in that being one of
Speaker 1: them and pulling him and whether he should have come
Speaker 1: out or not. We'll talk about that. We'll come right back.
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Speaker 1: second of the Break. Life from the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: studios at the Star. So we got to talk about
Speaker 1: the coaching decisions from yesterday. It was I saw another
Speaker 1: employee as I was leaving the stadium yesterday and he
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't know if I've ever seen
Speaker 1: a coach be getting killed as much as less. This
Speaker 1: coach is getting killed after a win. But you could
Speaker 1: just feel it on social media. People were unhappy with
Speaker 1: a lot of the decisions. It wasn't just one. There
Speaker 1: were multiple decisions that were made yesterday that fans just
Speaker 1: thought were bad decisions. And so let's go through some
Speaker 1: of those. I want to get your opinions on them.
Speaker 1: I've been talking about Treyvon Diggs. Obviously, he was having
Speaker 1: a phenomenal game, had two interceptions. After the second interception,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys score a touchdown and then defense comes back
Speaker 1: on the field and Trayvon's not there and he's not
Speaker 1: there for the rest of the fourth quarter. What was
Speaker 1: the rationale that that coach McCarthy gave after the game
Speaker 1: or take us back, what was the ration now in
Speaker 1: game that we heard, and then what was the rational
Speaker 1: that he gave after the game as to watch Travlon
Speaker 1: was out of the game. Well, I honestly think those
Speaker 1: are kind of one and the same. The explanation we
Speaker 1: got in the press box was load management, right, which
Speaker 1: was he's not hurt, but they're they're resting him, they're
Speaker 1: dealing with him, and then after the game they say
Speaker 1: he has back tightness, which is okay, So there is
Speaker 1: a health concern. And I don't like to speculate too
Speaker 1: much about people's health. But the money quote from the
Speaker 1: head coach of the team, I'm reading it verbatim. He
Speaker 1: could have returned. He could have returned in the game
Speaker 1: if needed to. I know it was something. I think
Speaker 1: he got a cleat on it. He got stepped on
Speaker 1: at some point. But if so, he could have returned.
Speaker 1: That's really that's all I need to hear. So that's
Speaker 1: that's interesting, And it just makes me wonder if maybe
Speaker 1: they got a little bit ahead of themselves and thought
Speaker 1: that this thing was wrapped up with what twelve minutes
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes to play in the game. Well, although it
Speaker 1: got close, was it? I mean, they ultimately ended up winning,
Speaker 1: So was it still the right decisie? Right? That's that's
Speaker 1: That's kind of like when you play a prevent defense
Speaker 1: you give up touchdowns. It's like the idea is to
Speaker 1: make sure that you don't score quickly, and do you
Speaker 1: have time times on your on your side here? And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean they did, they did do what
Speaker 1: they needed to do to win the game. Now, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen this team run the ball out for four
Speaker 1: minutes like that very often, So I mean, you got
Speaker 1: to give him credit for that. That's not something we
Speaker 1: had seen. You're playing a little too risky. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't, I don't. If you do load management,
Speaker 1: it means that the guy has had something. You know,
Speaker 1: he's dealing with something, he's playing through it. But here
Speaker 1: we are. If we get a chance to pull him
Speaker 1: out of the game, let's do that. So I can
Speaker 1: see where it can be both. It could be a
Speaker 1: little back issue, it could be resting. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you have to play them, you have to play them.
Speaker 1: But if you don't have to play them, I'd like
Speaker 1: to rest them. And that's kind of what they did. Know,
Speaker 1: I get it, And well I don't love everything that
Speaker 1: happened there, but I will take this opportunity to be
Speaker 1: a smart ass and point it like our people in
Speaker 1: Carolina right now saying, oh, well Darnald did all that
Speaker 1: in garbage time. The Cowboys were resting their players because
Speaker 1: that's what Dak got for years, right. I mean that, So, so,
Speaker 1: which is it, like, is it impressive that Darnald did
Speaker 1: that or were the Cowboys resting their guys? Does it
Speaker 1: matter that dak is always two stories after the NFL game, right, sure? Which, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would like that to not have gotten as close
Speaker 1: as it was. But if Trayvon was really dealing with something,
Speaker 1: you have a twenty point lead, I get the rash now,
Speaker 1: I'll bet you I said this turn the break. I'll
Speaker 1: bet you ten dollars. If they hadn't run the clock out,
Speaker 1: he would have been on the field with Carolina down
Speaker 1: eight less than two minutes player or whatever. Well they
Speaker 1: needed to and now that would have been a story
Speaker 1: if they didn't. And then they go down and tie
Speaker 1: it the game. That about it. What's in the really
Speaker 1: more than anything more than sitting Treyvon digs because again, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna play soft defense. You're you just want them
Speaker 1: to bleed clock. Right. They can score all the touchdowns
Speaker 1: they want as long as you make them work for it.
Speaker 1: Which one of my least favorite things that happened in
Speaker 1: this game was the not even just them converting the
Speaker 1: fourth and eight, but getting fifty five yards on a
Speaker 1: fourth and eight, four fifty four to play, They're on
Speaker 1: their own thirty two. You would like to think that
Speaker 1: you're gonna make them march the field and take another
Speaker 1: two minutes off the clock. They get all the way
Speaker 1: down to the thirteen in one play, so that's that's
Speaker 1: a bust. And then the other one. And you know,
Speaker 1: I love Kellen Moore and I love throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: but third and three with seven h five to play,
Speaker 1: you've just run at will on this team all day,
Speaker 1: and you take it. You take that opportunity to take
Speaker 1: a shot to ceedee lamb. I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: right idea, which you get. You're gonna love every play
Speaker 1: call that works and hate every play call that doesn't.
Speaker 1: But just run the ball, keep the clock moving. Now
Speaker 1: even if you just get that first down and then
Speaker 1: punt three plays later, now the clock is at four
Speaker 1: minutes instead of seven. That just was a belly road
Speaker 1: play for CD. I mean, Schultz, Jarwin, Cedric Amari, They've
Speaker 1: all scored touch sounds, have all had big games. Pollard's
Speaker 1: having a nice game, Zeke's having a great game. If
Speaker 1: you want to rub his belly, do it on first
Speaker 1: or second down when you're at third and three in
Speaker 1: that situation. In my opinion, I don't even like I
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, run the ball. But the way
Speaker 1: I look at it is, even if they didn't want
Speaker 1: to run the ball, there are so many plays in
Speaker 1: this offense that can get you three yards to keep
Speaker 1: the chains moving, rather than going on a on a
Speaker 1: high a low percentage play throwing the ball down here.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's run or past, but something
Speaker 1: high percentage right, leake Dalton out into the flat or whatever.
Speaker 1: You want to do something that's got a higher success rate.
Speaker 1: And I don't really I don't think that. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: CD's got us all fooled, but he seems just as
Speaker 1: a piece as Amari does with the way that this
Speaker 1: all works. Yeah, fantasy owners aren't, but hey, if you
Speaker 1: if you're counting, if you're counting on the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: carry you in fantasy, unless it's Dak, I say, ze
Speaker 1: Zeke is doing Maybe because Zeke is doing this, you
Speaker 1: say that, but everybody was up in arms for the
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season. Yeah, but find a
Speaker 1: running back that's not going to have a week or
Speaker 1: two when they're not going to be getting great numbers.
Speaker 1: But he's fine, he's fine. Yeah, But I wouldn't great.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to count on most of the guys
Speaker 1: on this team fency points. Even Dack didn't get you
Speaker 1: a lot of yards, but he got four touchdowns. I'm
Speaker 1: good with that. He I am a Dack owner. He
Speaker 1: had a nice day. Yeah, I was even on his
Speaker 1: bad days. He's gonna be okay. But yeah, just some
Speaker 1: of some of the some of the decision making there
Speaker 1: that play call. I haven't had a chance to watch
Speaker 1: it back, but whatever happened on the fourth down and
Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean having having digs and a few
Speaker 1: other A few other veterans were out as well. We
Speaker 1: mentioned Jalen Smith was out. Let's talk about the two
Speaker 1: minute conversion because you I mean the two point conversion.
Speaker 1: You talked about that a little earlier. Cowboys get a
Speaker 1: touchdown I think it was eighteen yard pass to Jarwin Um.
Speaker 1: After that, didn't they get a penalty because there were
Speaker 1: twelve men on the field for the defense. So now
Speaker 1: it sets up a scenario where for the extra point
Speaker 1: you have one yard versus two. Cowboys decide, okay, instead
Speaker 1: of taking you know, some yards still kicking it, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go for two points from the one Now I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a huge problem with that decision. I
Speaker 1: just needed to match up. If you're going to do that,
Speaker 1: the only reason you go for it with one less
Speaker 1: yard is if you figure, hey, running behind this big mammoth,
Speaker 1: you know, when we go big type thing, one yards
Speaker 1: a little easier than two. Then you say, okay, let's
Speaker 1: do it. But my problem is really about the fact
Speaker 1: that you naked two versus one, and then you try
Speaker 1: to throw the ball and as you told me Nick
Speaker 1: in the press box, you throw it on a pass
Speaker 1: route that isn't even in the end zone. You forced
Speaker 1: your you're tied end to have to try to get
Speaker 1: into the end zone. What mean the decision, Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: has never been you know a guy that you know
Speaker 1: mistaken for Mike Alstock. I mean, he's not just gonna
Speaker 1: run over people, so get him, get him in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Yeah, I mean, you just I didn't understand
Speaker 1: that you're gonna do that. Like you said, you moved
Speaker 1: from two to one. That means you're probably gonna run
Speaker 1: it and if they stop you at the one, then
Speaker 1: they stop you at the one. But I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't of that play call, and maybe it was checked out.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that he looked at it and looked
Speaker 1: at the front and said, oh, this is this is
Speaker 1: the play. But um, I don't know. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't love that play, but I was okay with going
Speaker 1: forward at that point percentage especially Sorry dude, but one point,
Speaker 1: I think you have to always throw in. There's no chart,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no you know, nobody's got a cheat
Speaker 1: sheet for two point conversions. Nothing on that ever says
Speaker 1: if your kicker is struggling, if you what is your
Speaker 1: confidence in your kicker? Do you think this was about
Speaker 1: the kicker and your confidence? No, No, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's I don't think we're at that point. I just think,
Speaker 1: look at the percentages. If we're gonna do analytics, what
Speaker 1: are the analytics would say to get two points for
Speaker 1: a one yard run or one point for a thirty
Speaker 1: four yard extra point And he's already missed one, So
Speaker 1: I mean, there's probably a better chances to get the
Speaker 1: two points from the one yard line. And I don't
Speaker 1: have a strong take on this. Actually, that play, that
Speaker 1: play gave me warm and fuzzy flashbacks because it reminded
Speaker 1: me a lot of the two point conversion the Saints
Speaker 1: ran in Super Bowl forty four against the Colts. Lancemore
Speaker 1: catches it in the flat, same thing happened. He got
Speaker 1: hit right at the inch line and he extended and
Speaker 1: hit the pylon and got the two points. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I thought the defender made
Speaker 1: a great play. Sometimes that happens with the way they
Speaker 1: were running the ball shirt and maybe just run it
Speaker 1: be a little less cute. But I just thought the
Speaker 1: defender made a great play. I mean, to hit a
Speaker 1: tight end and just stop his momentum like that completely.
Speaker 1: I think more often than not, Dalton Schultz is gonna
Speaker 1: win that it didn't work. I'm not super mad about it.
Speaker 1: That was fine with him going for two there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: going for two Yeah from the one yard line. I'm
Speaker 1: that sounds dumb because it's normally on the three anyway.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I don't necessarily understand his rationale
Speaker 1: on the other two points, Like, you know, why not
Speaker 1: do it when you're up? You know it's because then
Speaker 1: then on the on the next time, when they scored
Speaker 1: to take a nineteen to fourteen lead, they could have
Speaker 1: gone for two to make it seven, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: Let's fine, six points is that's two field goals. But
Speaker 1: then they scored again to make it twenty six to fourteen,
Speaker 1: and then they did go for two to try to
Speaker 1: go I do kind of understand that, So what's just
Speaker 1: because I don't. But I'm not saying I'm arguing with you,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, what's the difference of saying we
Speaker 1: gotta be up two touchdowns but we don't want to
Speaker 1: be up one touchdown. Well, I think the way I
Speaker 1: look at it is, in the first scenario, the situation
Speaker 1: is now you miss it, Now you're down by five,
Speaker 1: and now that means you're down by like literally they
Speaker 1: can get two field goals and win the game. So
Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, I don't want to chase points
Speaker 1: at that point. Now when I'm up two scores, now
Speaker 1: I'll take a chance because if I don't, I'm still
Speaker 1: up two scores. And I feel a little bit better
Speaker 1: about that. So I could get that rationale a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But again we're talking about preferences, like we're
Speaker 1: talking about I don't think any of this necessarily, And
Speaker 1: this particular part, this particular decision to me, was like
Speaker 1: you made a huge mistake. You were absolutely wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that. I just think it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this is a scenario that could work. There
Speaker 1: is another scenario that could also work. Both could be true.
Speaker 1: I just feel vindicated because I said there was going
Speaker 1: to be a weird number, and thirty six is a
Speaker 1: weird number. Yeah, I thought it was. I mean, I
Speaker 1: said twenty five twenty. I didn't think that the offense
Speaker 1: was going to look that. EXPL said they win by eight.
Speaker 1: You did maybe four sixteen? There you go, I sure did.
Speaker 1: Or do we have time to talk about the client
Speaker 1: face mask? Yeah? Yeah, that's where I was going next.
Speaker 1: And uh, And that was one that was really interest
Speaker 1: Third thirteen twenty two left in the second quarter? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, is it really thirteen thirty twenty two left
Speaker 1: in the second quarter? It was second and twelve at
Speaker 1: the Carolina twenty three to have an incomplete pass and
Speaker 1: there's a face mask on Carolina. Um, here was the
Speaker 1: interesting part. The Cowboys decided to decline it, which meant
Speaker 1: that now it's third and twelve at the Carolina twenty three.
Speaker 1: If they would have accepted, it would have been second
Speaker 1: and twenty three at the Carolina twelve. I know it's
Speaker 1: a lot of numbers, a lot, and there are only one,
Speaker 1: two and three exactly, especially when you said there was
Speaker 1: what thirteen twelve, Yeah, thirty twenty two, thirty twenty two yeah,
Speaker 1: um in the second quarter, second and twelve. Yeah, everything
Speaker 1: about it is just really weird. At the Caroline twenty
Speaker 1: third down third, You're either gonna have third twelve or
Speaker 1: second and twenty three. He opted for third and twelve.
Speaker 1: Was that the right decision? It wasn't the right decision
Speaker 1: based off of what happened, it wasn't the right Well,
Speaker 1: but in retrospect, let's let's go back to before you
Speaker 1: see the result. Yeah, right was the right decision. And
Speaker 1: I and I did say to you, I didn't like
Speaker 1: this call. But I mean, I got a guy on
Speaker 1: to my left over here that's saying I would decline this,
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm thinking about it too. When then
Speaker 1: I said to you, I don't think I would, mainly
Speaker 1: because the further I can push you back to your
Speaker 1: goal line, the less aggressive I think you're going to
Speaker 1: be to try to get this first down. That's a
Speaker 1: good point because I agree with you're talking about Todd Archer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with Todd honestly, and then you would have
Speaker 1: you would have declined it, I think, And that's I
Speaker 1: think this is a classic case of just killing the
Speaker 1: decision that doesn't work no matter what happens, because and
Speaker 1: this is you talk about PTSD as a football fan,
Speaker 1: how many times in your life as a football fan
Speaker 1: have you watched a holding call back a team up
Speaker 1: to like second and twenty and then they get two
Speaker 1: shots to pick up twenty yards and the first play
Speaker 1: always goes for like eighteen and you're like, damn it,
Speaker 1: like twenty yards and you just gave it up right
Speaker 1: there and now it's just third and two, like what
Speaker 1: was the flag even for happens all the time, and
Speaker 1: I think giving people an extra bite at the apple,
Speaker 1: maybe it makes them more conservative. But Sam Darnold's not
Speaker 1: a rookie, and it's clearly seems like they trust them.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would have changed their game plan,
Speaker 1: and I have no problem believing they pick up seventeen
Speaker 1: of those twenty three yards on second down, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the way that they were again, DJ Moore
Speaker 1: had a nice night, like they had success on offense.
Speaker 1: So I like the idea of third and long. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's third and long, you should be able to get
Speaker 1: off the field on third. They had been converting those
Speaker 1: third and longs, so they I think it may have
Speaker 1: been a maybe a possession before that or so they
Speaker 1: have two third loans they converted. But my point is,
Speaker 1: and this is where I had a problem with it,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna make you do it twice, Like you
Speaker 1: just said that, Like third and twelve, you gotta do
Speaker 1: it once, right if it's third and I'm sorry, second
Speaker 1: and twenty three, you got to do that basically twice.
Speaker 1: But I already made you do it twice. I already
Speaker 1: made you. You got three yards on first down and
Speaker 1: you threw the ball out of bounds on second, town
Speaker 1: I made you do it twice. No, No, what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is when you got to pick up twenty three
Speaker 1: yards on second down, Now you got two shots to
Speaker 1: be able to do it, like both times, you gotta
Speaker 1: get over ten yards on average of over ten yards
Speaker 1: on two different plays. That's where I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make you do it twice versus just one time. You
Speaker 1: third twelve, you get one play that gets you twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen fifteen yards, it's a first down. Can you
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you do it twice? Can you? I
Speaker 1: really think that this is a situation where there isn't
Speaker 1: a right or wrong answer. It's gonna work or it's not.
Speaker 1: But can you at least acknowledge that you would probably
Speaker 1: be frustrated if you put them in second and twenty
Speaker 1: three and they picked up enough yard to where it's
Speaker 1: third and six and you're like, crap, which we hadn't
Speaker 1: given them two shots at this? Yes, but I also
Speaker 1: will say this the likelihood that then they pick up
Speaker 1: that third and six, they still got to do it right.
Speaker 1: And so the way I look at it is at
Speaker 1: the end of again, you're right, there's probably this is
Speaker 1: probably not one of those situations where it's like there
Speaker 1: is a clear right and wrong answer. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I would have preferred make them go longer. Make even
Speaker 1: if you give them an extra down, make them go
Speaker 1: twenty three yards over those two downs versus just one
Speaker 1: bite at the apple to one other factor into this
Speaker 1: two and going into the game. Somebody told me, because
Speaker 1: I think you know, the Cowboys were talking about it,
Speaker 1: this is a game is going to be a weirdly
Speaker 1: officiated game, and it was. There were some weird, kind
Speaker 1: of wonky plays in there. So yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: Dave's point on you know, to get off the field twice.
Speaker 1: All it takes is illegal contact five yard penalty by
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis at the line of scrimmage to give you
Speaker 1: an automatic first down. So what I'm saying is is
Speaker 1: that you gotta be smart about that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I can see, I can see the logic on getting
Speaker 1: off the field one time versus two. Me personally, if
Speaker 1: it's that close to the goal line, I think I
Speaker 1: would just push him back a little bit more, like
Speaker 1: I really, And I think what bugs me is people
Speaker 1: are so certain all the time. They're just like, this
Speaker 1: was the dumbest thing that's ever happened, or this was genius.
Speaker 1: And if he made some fourth down calls that they
Speaker 1: got first down early in the game, they did a
Speaker 1: fourth and two, they got it. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: no one, no one says that kind of stuff. Nobody
Speaker 1: talks about game management usually when they win. Except for
Speaker 1: this team. We're talking about it for the last three
Speaker 1: weeks they had. I mean, it comes up. This was
Speaker 1: well the fourth quarter was just weird. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and it didn't it didn't bite him in the ass.
Speaker 1: But the Trayvon thing management versus health, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's I care way more about that than this because
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time, if you tell me we're
Speaker 1: gonna put them in third and twelve, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hopefully trust my defense to get off the field
Speaker 1: in that situation. It did not work this time, I
Speaker 1: would acknowledge. I'd also think part of this is that
Speaker 1: every week there seems to be something that is questionable
Speaker 1: with regards to decisions. And so for again, I'm speaking
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of those people who are really having
Speaker 1: a problem with a lot of these things. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that every week there is all
Speaker 1: there are all these decisions that are questionable because I'll
Speaker 1: put it like this, I don't remember us doing this
Speaker 1: with Jason, Like it wasn't a every week. There were moments,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but I don't remember it being
Speaker 1: every week. We're like, man, what was a decision with that?
Speaker 1: Like last week with the whole clock management thing, like
Speaker 1: that was a bit of a problem. They didn't lose,
Speaker 1: but that's also where I just think part of this
Speaker 1: is people don't trust McCarthy at this point, and so
Speaker 1: for everything, he's never gonna get the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt because people have already built that up because of
Speaker 1: all these weeks when there were been things that are
Speaker 1: question I gotta take for you. I appreciate it. It's
Speaker 1: at least interesting and also like, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think that's the big thing with McCarthy, as people just
Speaker 1: don't know what he's gonna do and it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of rhyme or reason to it.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's not. There was rhyme or reason to Jason
Speaker 1: and it was just to kind of be a win
Speaker 1: unless it was just there for you. Like I remember
Speaker 1: we used to give Jason a standing ovation when he
Speaker 1: went for it on fourth and one from the opponent's
Speaker 1: forty four yard line, and that that is not a
Speaker 1: that's not aggressive or impressive, that's just what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. So I don't know it can be. It's
Speaker 1: kind of frustrating, just it's hard figuring out the way
Speaker 1: McCarthy thinks about this stuff. But it's way more entertaining
Speaker 1: than what we were used to and you're always down
Speaker 1: for the entertainment. Absolutely, Yeah, all right, we appreciate you, guys, Joannis.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. We'll give you guys a big
Speaker 1: picture look around the NFC East. Interesting things happen, I
Speaker 1: guess there. Cowboys have another NFC East game this week.
Speaker 1: We'll start getting ready for that as well. For Nicki
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