1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Anti Semitism on college campuses. It is at an alarming 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: high right now. It is genuinely shocking to me just 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: how bad the anti Semitism has become and how it's 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: being advocated, supported, and not condoned by those who are 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: in leadership at. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: The college campuses. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Now you have to look no further than the hearing 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: that took place in Washington, d C. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: This past week. 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: The headlines pretty clear, pretty clear. Let me give you 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: a couple of them. Uproar over university president's remarks on 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: anti Semitism that coming from ABC News underscores the tensions 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: on college campuses as university presidents have received backlash over 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: their Capitol Hill testimony. Four hours of tense testimony on 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill this week with presidents of the nation's most 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: elite colleges. They got kicked off with a flood of 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: anger from donors, alumni, and politicians, but it also reignited 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: ABC News says simmering tensions for students. College campuses, often 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: the heart of debate in the US, have been a 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: central point of protests and dialogue on the Israel Hamas 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: war for the past two months, a role that also 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: has brought tension, discomfort, and pain, Jewish and Palaesinian students 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: said in interviews. Where they do agree is that they 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: broadly don't feel supported by their school administration, something the 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: hearing underscored. Now, let's just stop right there and talk 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: about this article from ABC News. 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: Where they do agree, referring to. 28 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: Jews, Jewish and Palasian students is that they broadly don't 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: feel support by their school administrations. Okay, to be clear, 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: if you are on the side of Hamas, you shouldn't 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: feel supported by your college campus. Like, let's be very 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: very very very very very clear about that. And if 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: you do feel like you're getting some support for your 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: college campus, then your college campus is a campus that 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: is an anti Semitic college campus, which brings me to 36 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: the hearing. During this hearing, there was a very brave congresswoman, 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: and that brave congresswoman asked a very simple question, Congresswoman 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: Sephonic grilling the different presidents of these Ivy League schools 39 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: about their anti Semitism that they have allowed to fester 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: on their college campuses. I want you to listen to 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: this hearing, and there's a very simple question that was asked. 42 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: It's a yes or no question that was asked of 43 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: all of these different presidents, and the arrogance and disdain 44 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: for Jewish people coming from these presidents was abundantly clear. 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: In fact, it's even costs one of these people, you're 46 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: gonna hear their job as the University of Pennsylvania president 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: stepped down amid criticism of anti Semitism testimony. But first 48 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: listen to exactly what happened. And these are the people 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: that are training our children in this country at the 50 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: most elite universities. 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: Doctor Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard? 53 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 4: Correct? 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 5: Our commitment to It's a. 55 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: Yes or no question? Is that corrected? 56 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: Is that okay for students to call for the mass 57 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: murder of African Americans at Harvard? 58 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: Is that protected free speech? 59 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 5: Our commitment to free school? 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: It's a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar 62 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: with the term into fata. 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: Correct. 64 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 5: I've heard that term, yes. 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: And you understand that the use of the term intifada 66 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is indeed 67 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: a call for violent arm resistance against the state of Israel, 68 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 4: Are you aware of. 70 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 6: That that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me? 71 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting, 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: quote there is only one solution into fada revolution and 73 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: quote globalize the intofada. 74 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 75 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 6: I've heard that thoughtless, reckless, and hateful language on our campus. 76 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: Yes, So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: call for intefada is to commit genocide against the Jewish 78 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 3: people in Israel and globally. 79 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 4: Correct. 80 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 6: I will say again that type of hateful speech is 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 6: personally abhorrent to me. 82 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary 83 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: to Harvard's code of conduct? 84 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 6: Or is it allowed at Harvard? It is at odds 85 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 6: with the values of Harvard. 86 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: Can you not say here that it is against the 87 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: code of conduct at Harvard? 88 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 6: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views 89 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 6: that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses 90 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 6: into conduct that violates our policies against bullying? 91 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: Does that speech not cost that barrier? 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews 93 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: and the. 94 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: Elimination of Israel. When you testify that, you. 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: Understand that is the definition of intofada. 96 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not. 97 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 6: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a 98 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 6: wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable. 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: You and I both know that's not the case. 100 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: You were aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it 101 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: came to free speech? 102 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: Are you not aware of that report? 103 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 6: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization. 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 4: It's the data shows it's true. 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: And isn't it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers 106 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: racist statements, sometimes as young as sixteen years old? 108 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 4: Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 6: That long predates my time as present, But you understand. 110 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: That Harvard made that decision to resin those offers of admission. 111 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 6: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you 112 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 6: present them. 113 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: Correct, because it's a fact. 114 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: You're also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: let go over who he chose to legally represent. 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: Correct that was while you were dean. 117 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 5: That is an incorrect characterization. Avoid transfer. 118 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: What's the characterization? 119 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 6: I'm not going to get into details about a personnel matter. 120 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, Will admissions offers be 121 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or 122 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: applicants who say from the river to the sea or 123 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 3: into fada advocating for the murder of Jews? 124 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 6: As I've said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech 125 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 6: is personally abhorrent to. 126 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: Me, and today that no action will be taken. 127 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 6: What action will be taken when speech crosses into conduct 128 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 6: that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment, or intimidation. 129 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 6: We take action, and we have robust disciplinary processes that 130 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 6: allow us to hold individuals accountable. 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: What action has been taken against students who are harassing 132 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard's campus? 133 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 5: I can assure you we have robust. 134 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: What actions have been taken? 135 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: I'm not askings underway, I'm asking what actions have been taken. 136 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: Against the students. 137 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 6: Given students' rights to privacy and our obligations under FURPA, 138 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 6: I will not say more about any specific cases other 139 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: than to reiterate that processes are ongoing. 140 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: Do you know what the number one hate crime in 141 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: America is? 142 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 6: I know that over the last couple of months there 143 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 6: has been an alarming rise of anti Semitism, which I 144 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 6: understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. 145 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 3: That's correct, It is anti Jewish hate crimes, and Harvard 146 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. 147 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: This is why I've called for your resignation and your 148 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: testimony today. 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You 180 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: heard that one college professor there and there were other 181 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: members of the committee that realized just how anti semitic 182 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: these presidents of these colleges actually are at the University 183 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, Harvard and MIT. And one of those congresswomen 184 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: was smart. She said, I'm going to yield back my 185 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: time to Representative Sephonic, the Republican from New York, because 186 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: she's clearly onto something here. 187 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: And this is after, by the way, these. 188 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: Other two university presidents had heard this tough back and forth. 189 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: So if they wanted to play it differently, if they 190 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: were caught off guard, as some have tried to describe it, 191 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: then clearly what they would do is they would have said, hey, 192 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: after they witnessed what happened with Harvard's president there in 193 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: that question, I just played for you, Hey, maybe we 194 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: should play it a little bit differently. 195 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: That's not what they did. 196 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: In fact, with their arrogance, they decided to double down 197 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: on their anti semitism. 198 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 6: Listen, Madam Chair, I'd like to yield the balance of 199 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 6: my time to the gentlewoman from New York. 200 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: Doctor Kornbluth at MIT, does calling for the genocide of 201 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules regarding bullying 202 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: and harassment? 203 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: Yes? 204 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 7: Or No, they've targeted at individuals not making public statements. 205 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: Yes or no. 206 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: Calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute bullying 207 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: and harassment. 208 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 7: I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews 209 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 7: on our campus. 210 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: But you've heard chance for Intifada. 211 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 7: I've heard chance, which can be antisemitic depending on the context, 212 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 7: when calling for the elimination of the Jewish people. 213 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: So those would not be according to the MIT's code 214 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: of conduct. 215 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 7: Or rules, that would be investigated of as harassment if 216 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 7: pervasive and severe. 217 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: Ms McGill at Penn, does calling for the genocide of 218 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: Jews violate Pen's rules or code of conduct? 219 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 8: Yes? 220 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 9: Or no. 221 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 10: If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment. 222 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: Yes, I am asking specifically calling for the genocide of Jews. 223 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: Does that constitute bullying or harassment? 224 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 10: If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment. 225 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: So the answer is yes. 226 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 10: It is a context dependent decision, Congresswoman. 227 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: It's a context dependent decision. That's your testimony today. Calling 228 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: for the genocide of Jews is, depending upon the context, 229 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: that is not bullying or harassment. 230 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: This is the easiest question to answer. 231 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Miss McGill, So is your testimony that you will 232 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: not answer yes. 233 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 5: If it is. 234 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 10: If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment. 235 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: Yes, conduct meaning committing the act of genocide. The speech 236 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: is not harassment. This is unacceptable, Mismaguil. I'm going to 237 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: give you one more opportunity for the world to see 238 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: your answer. Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate 239 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: pens code of conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment? 240 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 4: Yes? Or no? 241 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 5: It can be harassment. 242 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: The answer is yes, and doctor Gay at Harvard, does 243 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: calling for the genocide of Jews? Violate Harvard's rules of 244 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: bullying and harassment? 245 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 4: Yes? 246 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 11: Or no. 247 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 5: It can be depending on the context. 248 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 4: What's the context? 249 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 6: Target it as an individual, targeted at an individual, It's. 250 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 3: Targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals. Do you understand your 251 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: testimony is dehumanizing them? Do you understand that dehumanization is 252 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: part of anti Semitism? 253 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: I will ask you one more time. 254 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules 255 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 3: of bullying and harassment? 256 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 4: Yes? 257 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 12: Or no? 258 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 5: Anti Semitic rhetoric? 259 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 4: And is it anti Semitic rhetoric? 260 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 6: Anti Semitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct that amounts 261 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 6: to bullying, harassment, intimidation. That is actionable conduct, and we 262 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 6: do take action. 263 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide 264 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: of Jews violates Harvard Code of Conduct. 265 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: Correct. 266 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: Again, it depends on the context. 267 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: It does not depend on the context. The answer is yes, 268 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: and this is why you should resign. These are unacceptable 269 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: answers across the board. 270 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: She's right, by the way, the fact that they can't 271 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: even answer that simple of a question about genocide. Now 272 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the University of Pennsylvania president, and this is only because alumni, 273 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: some that were willing to give up to I pledged 274 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: to give up to one hundred million dollars to the university, 275 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: have finally forced that president to step down. The Today 276 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Show talking about it this morning. This is how they 277 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: reported this story, which also was a little bit suspected. 278 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: And again just listen to this as they finally announced 279 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: that the University of penn president has resigned under. 280 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: Pressure this morning. 281 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 11: The University of Pennsylvania is looking for a new leader. 282 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 11: President Liz McGill resigning Saturday afternoon. The announcement made via 283 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 11: letter from the Ivy League School Board of Trustee Chair 284 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 11: Scott Buck, who also stepped down the letter, including a 285 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 11: statement from McGill, who wrote, it has been my privilege 286 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 11: to serve as president of this remarkable institution. The departing 287 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 11: president will remain as a tenured faculty member. It comes 288 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 11: after days of mounting pressure following McGill's appearance at a 289 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 11: house hearing on anti Semitism, where she had this exchange 290 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 11: with New York Congresswoman Elis Stephonic. 291 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: I am asking specifically calling for the genocide of Jews? 292 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: Does that constitute bullying? A harassment? 293 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 10: If it is directed and severe pervasive, it is harassment. 294 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 10: If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment. 295 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: Yes, conduct, meaning committing the act of genocide. 296 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 11: McGill's failure to reject calls for genocide resulted in widespread 297 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 11: backlash from students, faculty, business leaders, and lawmakers. Leaders have 298 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 11: a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, and 299 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 11: Liz McGill failed to lead that simple task. Prasteavonic also 300 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 11: pressed the presidents of Harvard and MIT during the hearing, 301 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 11: who now face similar pressure to resign. On Saturday, the 302 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 11: congresswoman posting on X one down two to go. After 303 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 11: the hearing, McGill attempted to clarify her remarks. 304 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 8: I was not focused on, but I should have been 305 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 8: the irrefutable fact that a call for genocide of Jewish 306 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 8: people is a call for some of the most terrible 307 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 8: violence to and be can perpetrate. 308 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 11: But an audience of the school's mega donors was unmoved, 309 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 11: some threatening to pull hundreds of millions of dollars unless 310 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 11: she resigned. 311 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: She kind of got strong arm at the position. 312 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 4: I think removing her does kind of like Believia some 313 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 4: of that hurt. 314 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 2: At the board of Trustees didn't announce. 315 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 11: They announced plans for an interim leader here at Penn 316 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 11: in the coming days. Meanwhile, the Board of Trustees has 317 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 11: appointed their vice chair, Julie Platt to be the interim chair. 318 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 11: She happens to be in a lum and the mother 319 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 11: of actor Ben Platt. 320 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Really, by the way, let's just get one thing straight. 321 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: Did you notice early in that report what they said 322 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: the University of Penn president that resigned stepped down still 323 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: is employed by the university in a tenured position spot 324 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: in the law school, from what I understand, So she 325 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: didn't lose her benefits, she didn't lose her salary, she 326 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: didn't lose her job. In fact, she is a tenured 327 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: professor of law from what I understand, So the fact 328 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: that the chair of the Pen Board of Trustees announces 329 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: that Liz McGill has voluntarily stepped down as the university president. 330 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean jack crap. She still has all of. 331 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: The same benefits of being an employee. So the University 332 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: of Pen didn't learn anything here. Yeah, okay, fine, you 333 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: can't be the president anymore, but don't worry. You can 334 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: still have your job in doctrinating kids in the law school. 335 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: We've got your back. Don't worry. Wink wink, nod nod. 336 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: You're one of us. You're an anti Semite. We're gonna 337 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: tell everybody you still have your job. You have to 338 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: move out of your house. No, you gotta miss a paycheck. No, 339 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: are you gonna lose your health care? No, are you 340 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: gonna lose your free food on campus, which. 341 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: I'm assuming they get. No are you gonna. 342 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: Are we gonna take away you know your tenured status? 343 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 11: No? 344 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: Are you still having you seven off us on campus? Yes, 345 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: it's all your your your your you know your your 346 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: letter head, and stay sharing everything else that is prestigious 347 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: with this university on it still have your name on it. Yes, hey, 348 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: we still have your back. So what's the real consequence 349 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: for her? Okay, you can't be the president of the school, 350 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: but you can still be a tenured professor in law school, 351 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: and you can still indoctrinate children to believe this crap. 352 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: Let's also be clear about why she's no longer the 353 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: president of the University of penn It is only because 354 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: the amount of money that they were going to lose 355 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: was too great for them to overcome. It wasn't because 356 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: they disagreed with what she said. It was about the money. 357 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: Let me say something else about these two other presidents 358 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: that have not been fired. Yes, the University of Pennsylvania 359 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: president steps down, still has her job, still going to 360 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: get tenured, you know, professor job. She's still there, gonna 361 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: make great money. Nothing really changes for her that much. 362 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: For Liz McGill. Yeah, okay, So I resigned for my 363 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: post after facing criticism, intense criticism, even from the White House, lawmakers, alumni. 364 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: But it was all about the money. There was too 365 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: much money that they were going to lose, right, too 366 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: much money. So they said, okay, fine, and then they 367 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: put out this message, this University of Penn put out 368 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: a video message from the President, Liz McGill on x 369 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: It was the most it was the most pathetic response 370 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: I've ever seen to a massive fallout. But the good 371 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: news is there's genuine national outcry now. These university presidents 372 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: exchanges with Congress from Stephonic, they went viral for all 373 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: the right reasons, drawing furious criticism for all the right 374 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: reasons from political leaders of both parties, as well as 375 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: the Jewish community, advocates as well as alumni and more importantly, 376 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: the donors. Tell you what the White House even said 377 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: about this. In a statement Wednesday, the White House spokesman 378 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: Andrew Bates said, quote, it's unbelievable that this needs to 379 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: be said. Calls for genocide are monstrous and anti Semitic, 380 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: anti ethical to everything we represent as a country. Any 381 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: statement that advocates for the systematic murder of Jews are 382 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: dangerous and revolting. The White House, We're on to say, 383 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: and we should all stand firmly against them on the 384 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: side of human dignity and most basic values that united 385 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: as Americans. That's the White House's statement condemning these three 386 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: presidents who were just arrogant and cocky and sitting there 387 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: saying I refuse to admit we're wrong. Even the Democratic 388 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, told reporters that Miguel's response 389 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: was unacceptable, saying, que I've said many times leaders have 390 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, and 391 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: Liz McGill failed to meet that simple test. This Democrat, 392 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: the governor said, quote, I think whether you're talking about 393 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: genocide against Jews, genocide against people colored, genocide against LGBTQ folks, it's. 394 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: All in the wrong. 395 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: The governor added that he believed the university's board needed 396 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: to make a serious decision about McGill's leadership at the 397 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: Ivy League University. Then Ross Stevens, a pen a lum 398 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: and CEO of the financial firm Stone Ridge Holding, sent 399 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: a letter to the university threatening to pull the one 400 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars worth of shares of his company that 401 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: are held by the university unless McGill vacated her post. 402 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: And that's finally when they did the right thing. It 403 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: wasn't that they actually did the right thing. It's the 404 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: fact that Ross Stevens, this penn alum said one hundred 405 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: million dollars will disappear if you don't fire, and they said, okay, fine, 406 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: that's one hundred million dollars. 407 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: We got to get rid of her. But don't worry. 408 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: We'll let her keep her job in the law school 409 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: and she'll be tenured and she'll still make a living. 410 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: In the letter, which was obtained by NBC News, Stevens 411 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: side of McGill's congressional testimony and said he is appalled 412 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: by the university stants on anti Semitism on campus. Miguel's 413 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: high profile critics include the billionaire investor Bill Ackman, who 414 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: repeatedly called for her Oulster on X now the focus 415 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: turns the present gay and the other president of the 416 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: boards of Harvard and MIT, he tweeted over the weekend 417 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: after McGill's exit, Sephonic announced Thursday at the House Education 418 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: Workforce Committee was launching a congressional investigation with a full 419 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: force of subpoena power into penn University of Pennsylvania, into MIT, 420 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: and as well as Harvard and other unspecified universities, saying quote, 421 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 1: we will use our full congressional authority to hold these 422 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: schools accountable for their failure on the global stage. You 423 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: go back and you listen to what she said. You 424 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: go back and listen to all three of these presidents, 425 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: and it's a bigger issue. And the warning that and 426 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: the takeaway that I want you to take away from 427 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: this is this, these universities have gone from being centers 428 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: of intellectual pride and excellence to being political propaganda machines 429 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: for communism, socialism, and Marxism. 430 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: The fact that. 431 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: It took a member of Congress to expose the anti 432 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: semitism in universities and yet still two of the three, 433 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: the majority of these universities presidents are still there. And 434 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: by the way, that even the one that was that 435 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: stepped down is still there, still teaching. You've got to 436 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: ask yourself this question. You've got to ask yourself this, 437 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: Why would anyone want to send their kid there? Why 438 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: would we want to send any of our children to 439 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: universities that are willing to indoctrinate those children with this 440 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: type of anti semitic rhetoric. I want you to hear 441 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: this from ABC News this morning on their roundtable discussion 442 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: about these presidents. 443 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 13: Listen the turn to that pretty fiery Congressional hearing this 444 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 13: week with the present events of Harvard MIT and UPenn 445 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 13: who were asked about comments from students about genocide and 446 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 13: anti Semitic comments, and let's just say, did very poorly 447 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 13: with their responses, very poorly. The UPenn president has already resigned. 448 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 13: You're a Harvard law girl, how do you view this? 449 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 13: Should the others resign? 450 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 9: Yes, but maybe not just because they had a catastrophic 451 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 9: congressional hearing. They should resign because these universities have failed. 452 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 9: This wasn't a messaging problem with the congressional hearing. It's 453 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 9: a policy problem. They have policies against disrupting class, assaulting 454 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 9: Jewish students in the library, drawing swastikas on campus. That's 455 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 9: not a free speech issue. But they're not enforcing their 456 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 9: policies in the way that they have enforced them in 457 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 9: the past. It would be great if as a result 458 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 9: of this, these universities became the free speech bastions that 459 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 9: we have been pressuring them to become. But my fear 460 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 9: is that in fact, it will be just this you know, 461 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 9: moment where they're like, no, no, no, we're for free speech 462 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 9: at this moment because this is the speech that is 463 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 9: unpopular that we like. But when it goes back to 464 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 9: being something on progressive issues. Then speech is violence again, 465 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 9: and they will suddenly find a way to enforce their 466 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 9: policies on campus. 467 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: Wow, that was on ABC. 468 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: There was also something else that was said Faried Zakaria 469 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: on his show on CNN. Now, this is a hardcore 470 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: lefty right and it says America is losing faith in 471 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: its universities. What it should say is America's losing faith 472 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: in its elite universities. Listen to his intro to his commentary, 473 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: and this is the guy that I like, never agree with. 474 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 12: Here's my take. When one thing's of America's greatest strengths, 475 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 12: the kind of assets the world looks at with admiration 476 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 12: and envy, America's elite universities would long have been at 477 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 12: the top of that list. But the American public has 478 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 12: been losing faith in these universities for good reason. Three 479 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 12: university presidents came under fire this week for their vague 480 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 12: and indecisive answers when asked whether calling for the genocide 481 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 12: of Jews would violate their institution's codes of conduct. But 482 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 12: to understand their performance, we have to understand the broad 483 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 12: shift that has taken place at elite universities, which have 484 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 12: gone from being centers of excellence to institutions pushing political agendas. 485 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 12: People sense the transformation, As Paul Toff has pointed out, 486 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 12: the share of young adults who said a college degree 487 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 12: was very important fell from seventy four percent in twenty 488 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 12: thirteen to just forty one percent in twenty nineteen. In 489 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 12: twenty eighteen, sixty one percent of those polls said higher 490 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 12: education was headed in the wrong direction, and only thirty 491 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 12: eight percent felt it was on the right track. In 492 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 12: twenty sixteen, seventy percent of America's high school graduates were 493 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 12: headed for college. Now that number is sixty two percent. 494 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 12: This sour on higher education makes America an outlier among 495 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 12: all advanced nations. American universities have been neglecting a core 496 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 12: focus on excellence in order to pursue a variety of agendas, 497 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 12: many of them clustered around diversity and inclusion. It started 498 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 12: with the best of intentions. Colleges wanted to make sure 499 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 12: young people of all backgrounds had access to higher education 500 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 12: and felt comfortable on campus. But those good intentions have 501 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 12: morphed into a dogmatic ideology and turned these universities into 502 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 12: places where the pervasive goals are political and social engineering, 503 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 12: not academic merit, as the evidence produced for the recent 504 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 12: Supreme Court case on affirmative action showed universities have systematically 505 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 12: downplayed merit based criteria for admissions in favor of racial quotas. 506 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 12: Some university's response to this ruling seems to be that 507 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 12: they will go further down this path, eliminating the requirement 508 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 12: for any standardized test like the sas That move would 509 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 12: allow them to then take students with little reference to 510 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 12: objective criteria. Of course, those who would suffer most would 511 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 12: be bright students from poor backgrounds who normally use tests 512 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 12: like the SAT to demonstrate their qualifications in the humanities. 513 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 12: Hiring for new academic positions now appears to center on 514 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 12: the race and gender of the applicant, as well as 515 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 12: the subject matter, which needs to be about marginalized groups. 516 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 12: A white man studying the American presidency does not have 517 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 12: a prayer of getting tenure at a major history department 518 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 12: in America today. 519 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: That's a guy on CNN saying this, when you've lost CNN, 520 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: you're the worst people in the world. And these universities 521 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: and the other two presidents they deserve to lose their 522 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: job and not be given a golden parachute where it's like, hey, 523 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: we still got your back, like they did the University 524 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: of Penn. Hey you're still going to be a tenured professor. 525 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: You can still indoctrinate kids. Hey, Jews, we don't worry, 526 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: We've got you. Everyone should be calling for these university 527 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: presidents to be gone, not just from the title, but 528 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: from the university. The University of Pen president who's now 529 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: the former president is still a dangerous person infecting the 530 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: minds of young people at that university. She did not 531 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: lose a job, she lost a title, And everybody should 532 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: be looking at these other universities saying the same thing. 533 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: How are they still being employed? 534 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: How do their key cards and access cards and their 535 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: email addresses still work? Make sure you share this podcast. 536 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: It's an important one everywhere you are on social media. 537 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: Hit that forward button, share it. 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