1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast is presented by win Bett. Betting is 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: a team sport, but together at win Bett, Eric Allen 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: here at one Jets Drive, joined by Robert Mays of 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: the Athletic who is in the midst of a great 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: voyage here throughout training camp. This is visit number one 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: for you. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: This is my thirteenth stop. I think fourteen teams if 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: we include joint practices, How's maybe fifteen? Honestly, I can't 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: keep tracking anymore. 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: How's it been so? Fuck? 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: It's been really good. It's a fun time of year. 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: It's just going to be around football. It's going to 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: be talking football, and I just love kind of getting 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: little bits here and there. You just feel so much 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: better about how you know the teams when you spend 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: a little bit of time with them, and that's how 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: I like to spend this month. 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: What was your game plan as far as coming out 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: here to Florent Park today? What did you want to 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: really key in on? 21 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: I thinks a couple of different things. Offensive line, state 22 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: of the offensive line, and that was mostly I mean 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: in terms of position and everything else, but just seeing 24 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: kind of the defensive line rotation and where who was 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: getting snaps with the ones that those are. The kind 26 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: of things that I pay attention to is just essentially 27 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: deployment of players because I don't know how much you're 28 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: going to see schematically and all of that to be 29 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: able to key into it. But who's running with which teams, 30 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: who's being used in which roles, Like that's the type 31 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: of information I feel like you can really glean at 32 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: this time. 33 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: What do you think about what you saw out there 34 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: on the field. 35 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: I think it's a work in progress, especially on the 36 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: offensive line. I mean, I think that they're in the problem. 37 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: I mean, Roberts Ali said after practice today, they're figuring 38 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: out what that five is going to be and who 39 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: that five is. And that's what this time of year 40 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: is for. So I'm sure there's a lot of panic 41 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: among people in Green in this area of the country, 42 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: but there's still some time. So they got about three 43 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: or four weeks before the season starts. 44 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: How different does this look if Dwayne Brown comes back 45 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: in a week or two weeks and he's ready to go. 46 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: I think it's a huge difference because you just have 47 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: that reliable factor at that side, and then it all 48 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 2: kind of falls into place potentially after that we'll see 49 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: what happens. I mean, I think that they're comfortable with 50 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: the guys they have in the building to be able 51 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: to figure this out. But having that one piece in 52 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: place and then being able to kind of move everything 53 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: around outside of that, I think is important. 54 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting what you saw today because Joe Tipman was 55 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: out there working with the first team for the first 56 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: time here in training camp. What did you think about 57 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: the drafting of Tipman, the Wisconsin product and also his 58 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: development here early? 59 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: It was interesting hearing Solid talk about you. You staring 60 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: a couple of good days of practice together, you have 61 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: a good game, and then you get more opportunities and 62 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: you kind of feel like, how all right, we're going 63 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: to look at how you fit in the grand scheme 64 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: of this. The pick made sense. I mean, I understand 65 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: Joe Douglas's plan with the offensive line. He threw a 66 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: lot of bodies in this problem. Let's bring in as 67 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: many guys as we can that if you think about 68 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: how many career starts Billy Turner has, you build depth 69 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: in all the right spots. So if you incur the 70 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: level of injuries that they have over the last couple 71 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: of years, you still feel good about a five by 72 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: the end of the season, and I think that's what 73 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: they tried to do, and I think that's kind of 74 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: where they are now. And drafting a guy in the 75 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: second round with his profile, positional versatility, all the things 76 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: you want out of a guy who is a backup 77 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 2: could be a starter. I think it all makes sense 78 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: on paper. 79 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting how this is going to unfold because Tipman 80 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: was with the ones today, but Salad did say that 81 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: kind of McGovern will be back with the ones tomorrow, 82 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: so we'll have to see how this rotation works. Now 83 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: Here in the third week of the preseason for the Jets, 84 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: and he's been He called Tipman a pleasant surprise after 85 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: the Cleveland game, and he thought he filed up with 86 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: a very good week in Carolina against the Panthers. 87 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: With offensive lineman, you just get so few live reps 88 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: before training camp starts, one because there's no pads on 89 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: and two, even when training camp begins, they haven't seen 90 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: him play football for that many purely snaps and volume. 91 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: So that game, I'm sure was potentially a pleasant surprise 92 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: because your exposure to a guy like that that's a 93 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: rookie just isn't very deep at this stage of the calendar, 94 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: So I'll be fascinated how that potential development shakes everything 95 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: else out. 96 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Could McKay Beckton be an X factor for the Jets? 97 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: I think that. I'm sure they would like him to be. Yeah, right, yeah, 98 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: I mean, if you can get more out of him 99 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: than you've gotten over the last couple of years, what 100 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: does that do to the complexion of the room overall? 101 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: So they have so many different guys and so many 102 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: different options. It feels like there's a thousand different permutations 103 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: of what that group could look like. And if he's 104 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: part of it, I'm sure that that would be again 105 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: pleasant surprise on their part. 106 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: All Right, So, Robert, the big news here for the 107 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: Jets broke yesterday. This is a Dalvin Cook agrees to 108 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: terms on a deal. What do you think about the 109 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: fit here? 110 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: I'm curious what this means for Breshall's workload, and because 111 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: I think the Breshall is a fantastic player, and you 112 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: saw what he did for them last year. Every time 113 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: he touched the ball, it felt like something electric was 114 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: going to happen. As a receiver, as a runner, he 115 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: seems like a really special talent and to bring in 116 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: a guy, presumably a deal that's pretty healthy at this 117 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: stage of the calendar, somebody who's a proven player. Is 118 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: it going to be more of a split, like how 119 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: do those touches shake out? But again, I think this 120 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: is a team that's just trying to cover all its bases. 121 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: When you bring in Aaron Rodgers to be your quarterback, 122 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: I think you've made a declaration of declaration of intent 123 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: about who you want to be. We want to be contenders. 124 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: And when you are building a team like that, you 125 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: have to think about December twentieth as much as you 126 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: think about September first, right, and building depth and building 127 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: as many options as you can make sense. So even 128 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: if on paper it's like, well, who's the starting running 129 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: back and how are the touch is going to shake out? 130 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 2: I think this is just about protecting yourself in every 131 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: way possible as you think about what the ultimate goals 132 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: are For. 133 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: People who weren't watching the NSC North last year, that 134 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: mc cook has been super productive both on the ground 135 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: in the passing game. Of course, what do you think 136 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: stylistically as far as the fit in the scheme. 137 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense. I mean, 138 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: his best days were when he was in kind of 139 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: a zone heavy running scheme in Minnesota. Think about what 140 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: they were really over the last three or four years, 141 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: even before O'Connell got there, Kevin Stefanski had a lot 142 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: of those Gary Kubiak centric ideas. Gary Kubak was the 143 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator there and the running game Minnesota last season 144 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: they just never quite figured it out. I mean, there 145 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: were a lot of disparate parts. So you have this 146 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: eleven personnel, three receiver background that Kevin O'Connell comes from 147 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, but last year they're kind of a two 148 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: tight end team when they get TJ. Hockinson and they 149 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: have CJ. Ham who's a full back, and the Rams 150 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: never really had a full back when he was there. 151 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: So I don't think they really ever it clicked into 152 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: place the running game and how it should function. And 153 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 2: I think that might have contributed to maybe a step 154 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: down in Dalvin Cook's production. So if you drop him 155 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: into maybe a rushing offense and offense in general, maybe 156 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: is a little bit more settled. I think that you 157 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: could see a better version of Dalvin Cook than you 158 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: potentially did last season. 159 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers' arrival, what does it mean specifically for the 160 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: running backs and perhaps what kind of fronts they'll be seeing. 161 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: I think it's important. I mean, because if you want 162 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 2: to stack the box and you want to make sure 163 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: that if you want to make this team throw the ball, 164 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: I think they're probably comfortable throwing the ball when you 165 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: have a Hall of Fame quarterback back there. So it 166 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: just opens everything up when you have this sort of guy. 167 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: The way it feels a practice every day is different. 168 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: Looks that you're going to get is different. It's why 169 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: you go out and get somebody like this. 170 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 1: What were your takeaways from watching number eight today? 171 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: It's just so fun watching him try to poke in 172 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: prot during training camp practices, see what he can get 173 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: away with, just different arm angles, trying to throw things 174 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: off balance, and he often will look impressive, but there 175 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: are mistakes during training camp because he's really just seeing 176 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: what he can get away with and trying to figure 177 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: out what that looks like in this context after being 178 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: in a fairly similar context for a very long time. 179 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: He's in the experimental phase and I think that in 180 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, that's how this team feels right now. 181 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: What are your expectations for the offense early? Because a 182 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: lot of people who've been in that seat where you're 183 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: at right now, said, who've played, who've coached, have said, hey, 184 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: listen out of the gate, there's going to be a 185 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: feeling out process here. Offensively. 186 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: I absolutely think there is. I mean, we talk again, 187 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: it's August fifteenth, and the offensive line isn't settled yet. 188 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: There's so many different things that I think, and who's 189 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: going to be the running back snaps and how often 190 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: does Breeze play early in the season do they bring 191 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: him along a little bit slowly? So it could be 192 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: week six, seven, eight before this team figures out what 193 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: it should be on offense. And that's okay. When you 194 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: have a new quarterback and so many moving pieces, new 195 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: offensive line, coach, new offensive coordinator, it's going to take 196 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: a little while for you to actually gel and kind 197 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: of settle into the best version of yourself. And as 198 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: long as the defense can kind of lift them in 199 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: that period, which I think they're more than capable of doing, 200 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: they'll stay afloat long enough to be relevant. 201 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: The defense had some good fortune last year considering its health, 202 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: but can it take another step this year? Can it 203 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: raise maybe going from that category of very good to 204 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: an elite defense. 205 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think that they didn't have They had very 206 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: good health out last year, but they didn't create that 207 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: many turnovers. Yeah, I mean, so if you want to 208 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: take away from one area and kind of give it 209 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: to the other, Let's say they're a little bit less 210 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: healthy this year, but they take the ball away at 211 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: a slightly higher rate. They can be a top three defense. 212 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: They have players at every single level. They have depth 213 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: in the right places. You look at the defenses that 214 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: have been really scary over the last few years San Francisco, Dallas, 215 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: what Philly was last year. When you can send waves 216 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 2: of pass rushers at people, it solves a lot of 217 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: loose It allows you to do a lot of stuff, 218 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 2: and it feels like that this is one of those teams. 219 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: I mean, the idea that they were a top five 220 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: ish defense last year and Jermaine Johnson was a role player, 221 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: and now if he takes a step forward and you 222 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: get something from one McDonald and you can really tell 223 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: yourself a story about this being arguably the scariest defense 224 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: in the league. 225 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: Well, so you mentioned Jermaine Johnson. The guys had a 226 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: fabulous camp. I mean, he was outstanding. The other day 227 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: felt bad for some of those Carolina Panthers reserve offensive 228 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: lineman because you're going against the guy who you know. 229 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's all going to shake out 230 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: opening night against the Buffalo Bills. But because you got 231 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: Carl Lawson, you got John Franklin Myers, you mentioned Will McDonald, 232 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: you got Jermaine Johnson, you got Rice Huff. What is 233 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: the potential for the defensive line as far as getting 234 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: to the quarterback this year? Considering what you have and 235 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers on the other side. 236 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: I think it has a chance to be the most 237 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: disruptive defensive line, especially in the AFC, and one of 238 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: the best defensive lines in the league. I mean, you 239 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 2: look at the groups that they have in Philly and 240 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: Dallas still and they're pretty darn good. But this group 241 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: is deeper than it's ever been. I think it's more 242 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: explosive than it's ever been. You look at Jermaine Johnson 243 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: just physically what he looks like now compared to what 244 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: he looked like last year. It's just a different group. 245 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: And they were already pretty good. Yeah, I mean, the 246 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: idea that they had to blitz at the highest rate 247 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: in the league two years ago because they didn't feel 248 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: comfortable about their guys getting home if they didn't and 249 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: then last year they rat shit all the way back 250 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: in the other direction. That's all you need to know 251 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: about how this staff feels about this group. And now 252 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: they're even better than they were a year ago. I 253 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: think they have a chance to be very scary. 254 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: The cornerback group. When you're talking about Sauce Gardner, DJ Reid, 255 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Michael Carter the second and we saw the Jets employing 256 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: some big nickel out there today. But with those three, 257 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: where would you rank those guys? 258 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely up near the top of the league. 259 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I have to think about teams that are comparable. 260 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: But it's tough because even groups that used to be 261 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: really strong are kind of in transition. 262 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: Now. 263 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: You know, Baltimore had such a good group for years, 264 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: and now Marcus Peters isn't there anymore. You know, Patrick 265 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: Shartan is a fantastic player, But I think there's some 266 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: uncertainty at the other cornerback spots in Denver. Jayalen Ramsey's 267 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: not even in LA anymore and he's hurt. So if 268 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: you want to throw the Dolphins into that conversation. It's 269 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: a really good question. I mean, I think a lot 270 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: of the best defenses in the league are kind of 271 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: driven more by their fronts than their secondary at this point, 272 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting on its own. Philly at 273 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: their best, I think is a very good group of 274 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: Vanta Maddox is a really good nickel corner. James Bradbury 275 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: I think was a second team All Pro last year. 276 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: Darius Slay is a really good player. But even that group, 277 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: you got two guys who are thirty. You know, it's 278 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: maybe we've seen their best days, and you could argue 279 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: that the Jets best days, even after having an All 280 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 2: Pro season last year for Sauce Gardner, are still ahead 281 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: of them. So they're probably right there at the top 282 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: of the NFL, if not number one. 283 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: What do you think is next for Gardner? 284 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: It's a great question. I don't know what they see 285 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: as kind of the next step for him, because we've 286 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: seen a lot of those guys who are the shutdown 287 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: corners in the league. They travel with certain players, they 288 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: just become their role expands and what's asked of them 289 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 2: becomes a little bit more expensive extensive. But their defense 290 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: is so zone heavy and soundness and wanting to keep 291 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: him on one side. I think it's just trying to 292 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: keep this going. Yeah you think, well rookie wouldn't want 293 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: him to get better corners. It can be somewhat volatile 294 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: from season to season. It's a really hard position to 295 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: be really good every single year. So if you got 296 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: this guy for the next five years, that's almost the 297 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: best case scenario. So replicating what he did last year 298 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: is probably good enough to make him the best corner 299 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: in the league. 300 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: Were you surprised that DJ Reid came here and had 301 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: the success he had in year one? We know that 302 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: he had a breakout with Seattle, obviously starting his career 303 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: with Robert salin and San Francisco, where Sala blames himself, 304 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: he said, you know, the smaller guy, so I put 305 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: him on the inside and whatever, and a prototypical inside guy. 306 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: And look at what he did. But as far as 307 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: like last year or did we just not pay enough 308 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: attention to him? Maybe nationally with the East Coast bias 309 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: that with what Reid was doing in Seattle. 310 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: Corner is so silly because guys can just kind of 311 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: come out of nowhere. Everything can click for them, and 312 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: if you're not in a team's plans long term financially, 313 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: you'll just hit the market. You know, there are a 314 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: couple of different guys even last year as free agent group, specifically, 315 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: Tarvarius Ward is just somebody that the Chiefs couldn't pay 316 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: because how do you earmark that money. He's a seventh 317 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: round pick. He came out of nowhere. And DJ Reid 318 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: kind of feels like the same thing. And every couple 319 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: of years there are just those guys that emerge seemingly 320 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: from obscurity to become these really useful players. And he 321 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: happened to become one of those guys, and they handed 322 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: out that deal last year, and you think, huh, it's 323 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: like eleven million for DJ Moore or DJ Reid every 324 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: single year, Like that's a decent chunk of change. And 325 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: he was even better than that. So being able to 326 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: find those guys that are available for the right reason, 327 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: just because for whatever reason in a team building sense, 328 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: their team couldn't retain them, you can find value in 329 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: those ways, and I think that's what DJ Reid was 330 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: for this team last year. 331 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: How important is CJ mostly to this defense. 332 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: I think it's the stabilizing force you know, just having 333 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: those sorts of guys that have the right heartbeat in 334 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: the middle of it. We underrate that at that position specifically, 335 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: you know, guys that are maybe a little bit older 336 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: or don't give you as much pass brush production as 337 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: some other players do. Their impact is harder to see 338 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: at times, and I think that he kind of epitomizes 339 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: that for this team. 340 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: What do you think about Quinn Williams deal where he 341 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: is now after four years in the NFL, with the 342 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: breakout campaign last year twelve and a half, his teammates 343 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: are talking about, hey, quinnin has this focus where, yeah, 344 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: I got paid, but I want to be considered the 345 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: best defensive tackle football. Now. 346 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: You look at the gap and how it's closed between 347 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: those interior players and the edge guys, and I think 348 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: that's reflective of the impact they have on the game. 349 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: And you have all these defensive tackles who kind of 350 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: hit their peak and came along at the right time 351 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: contract wise. It felt like Dexter Lawrence was similar. You know, 352 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: these guys that maybe was a little bit uneven early 353 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: in their careers and it all kind of clicks into place, 354 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: and for a guy like Quinn Williams, what is he 355 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: twenty five? Yes, that's what you want. I mean, this 356 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: guy that could potentially be one of the most disruptive, 357 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: impactful defensive players in the league. Even if it's a 358 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: four or five year deal, it's all what happens before 359 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: he's thirty. I mean, I think he has a chance 360 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: to be one of the best defensive players in football 361 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: for the next several seasons. And when you pair that 362 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: with Sas Gardner and a lot of really good role 363 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: players elsewhere, that's when you can start to really build 364 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: excitement for where this team is on that side of 365 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: the ball. 366 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: Jets fans, we're in our final push and the clock 367 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: is ticking. Win Bet is giving you a golden opportunity 368 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: to win VIP prizes for the twenty twenty three season. 369 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: The win Bet Green Room is the most exclusive space 370 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: at the stadium with all inclusive food and beverage, lower 371 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: level seats, and appearances by Jets legends and celebrities. 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He's had instant chemistry with Aaron Rodgers, 380 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: which I didn't know if I could have predicted because 381 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know if, Hey, this is going to take 382 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of time because this is Aaron's offense. 383 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: He's coming in with Hackett, but he's got to learn yet, 384 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: and it just seems like from the get those guys 385 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: have been on it. What do you think about that combination? 386 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: I love it because Garrett's game is so instinctual. You know, 387 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: there are elements of who he is that if you 388 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 2: look at testing times and you look at his physical profile, 389 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: it's like, this guy's a top ten pick. But then 390 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: you see him play and it all clicks into place 391 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: and it makes sense. Why those are the guys that 392 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: Aaron's been really successful with in the past. Jordy Nelson 393 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: wasn't some crazy tester. He wasn't this guy that jumped 394 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: off the tape necessarily. De Wanta Adams was a second 395 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: round pick. But they're guys that just have incredible feel 396 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: for the way the game is played. And Garrett Wilson 397 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: seems like one of those guys. So I'm not surprised 398 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: at all because it's the type of receiver and the 399 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: type of profile that's worked with Aaron in the past. 400 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: Do you like the Adams comparisons? And Rodgers has even 401 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: said I've seen some similarities here early, and this guy 402 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: ultimately has the chance to be the top receiver in 403 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. 404 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: I think that's where your mind should go. And I 405 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: think that there's are lofty expectations, but when you have 406 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: the right quarterback, that's when you can see receivers grow 407 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: at that sort of pace. I can't wait to watch it. 408 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: I just feel like those two guys and just the 409 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: overall sense they have for the game and how offense 410 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: should be played. I think it's a marriage. It makes 411 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. 412 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: What do you think about the revamped group around Wilson. 413 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: He's a centerpiece. We know that you bringing Allen Zar 414 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: Randall Cobb comes over as well. Mkole Hardman comes over 415 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: from the Chiefs. You got Corey Davis is still on 416 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: this roster. I think people forget about him. What do 417 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: you think about the other pieces? 418 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. All the pieces fit 419 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: in my opinion, because Alanazar, it is that classic kind 420 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: of big bodied slot within this offense, does the dirty 421 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: work for you, makes it so Garrett Wilson doesn't have 422 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: to You know, those the guys you want, those classic 423 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 2: role playing receivers and his skill set and Hardman's skill set. 424 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: Just think about how different that is and the element 425 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: that it gives you within the offense. So I don't 426 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: want to call mcahartman a gadget guy, but somebody who's 427 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: one of those distractions. You know, there's a lot of 428 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: splashing of the water as we like to say, jet 429 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: motion and using him in all these different ways. So 430 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: you have kind of your true blue number one receiver. 431 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: You have that big bodied, physical presence who can do 432 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: a lot of digging out and blocking for you. And 433 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: then you have a guy who you can just move 434 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: all around the formation and kind of give that flashing 435 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: light to defenses. And then Corey Davis does a little 436 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: bit of everything. I mean, it's a good, well rounded group. 437 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: When you're trying to build that room, I think you 438 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: want to consider complementary skill sets, and I think that's 439 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: how they've built this group. 440 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of complimentary skill sets, about the tight end position 441 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: and Roger's success with that position over the years, and 442 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: he's got some veterans here and cj Usama, Tyler Conklin, 443 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: he's got a young ascending player here in Jeremy Rockert 444 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: the Jets. I think you have high hopes for this group, 445 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: and what kind of numbers do you anticipate from the 446 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: group as a whole. 447 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: I just like the fact that they're solid, well rounded 448 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: tight ends. You know, sometimes you see these tight end 449 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: groups and it's very specific the sorts of roles that 450 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: they can play. This guy the move tight end. This 451 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: guy's the blocking tight end. When this guy's on the field, 452 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: I think of Chris Manhertz and Jacksonville last year, where 453 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: when they're in the two tight end set and he's 454 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: on the field, you know what's coming. They're trying to 455 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: run the ball. He's an extra offensive lineman. That's not 456 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: what Tyler Conklin and cj Uzama are. They've been those 457 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: kind of classic inline tight ends. They can do a 458 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: little bit of everything, and I think the multiplicity that 459 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: gives you on offense. That's what you're searching for. You 460 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: want to be able to give no tells to a 461 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: defense based on who's on the field. I think that's 462 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: what this group does. 463 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: Where are you at with the FC? The Buffalo is 464 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: one division? 465 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: I honestly don't even want to start going down that road. 466 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: It's just so difficult. 467 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: I look at it and not ranking them, but just 468 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: like an overall landscape. 469 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 2: I love it. I mean just every the fact that 470 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean, what is it Buffalo and the Jets on 471 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: Monday Night in Week one? Yes, you can't ask for 472 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 2: anything more than that. I mean, I'm already getting excited 473 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: about it. It's going to be a weekly must see 474 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: event every single time a team in this division plays 475 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: against each other. Because I know the Patriots offensively, there's 476 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: some something left to be desired. Patriots defense is for real. 477 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: They have some real pieces on that side of the 478 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: ball at every single level. So you have the Patriots 479 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: defense against Aaron Rodgers, the Patriots defense against Josh Allen, 480 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: this defense against Josh Allen, this defense against what Miami has. 481 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: Every single matchup of an offensive and defensive game, maybe 482 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: outside of the Pats playing against whoever is one of 483 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: the things I'm going to be watching that week. It's 484 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous top to bottom. Miami, they had this offense 485 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 2: last year. It's a fireworks show every single time their 486 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: quarterback is healthy. Then they hire Vic Fangio to be 487 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: their defensive coordinator. Like every single team and same as 488 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: this team. You have this defense with this group of 489 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: young pieces. Now Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. It's unbelievable 490 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: how far all of these organizations have come in the 491 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: last two three years to kind of become or inarguably 492 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: the best division in the league. 493 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: Did each of those teams get better this offseason you 494 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: think when you're talking about THEFCS. 495 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I think you could make a case that New 496 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: England didn't get a lot better personnel wise. I think 497 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien coming in as their offensive coordinator and just 498 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: taking this from a team that really couldn't figure out 499 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: on that side of the ball to competency a guy 500 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: who has done this before that outside Rogers might be 501 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: the single most impressive and most important move a team 502 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: made in this division. But every other team personnel wise, 503 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: I think it's inarguable. You know, the Dolphins, I know 504 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey's hurt, but Ramsey, you know, some of the 505 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: other moves that they made on the defense side of 506 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: the ball. I think David Long is a really nice player. 507 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: They go get Vic Fangio. Buffalo's kind of transformation on offense, 508 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: I think is a chance to be really interesting. And 509 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: I really like some of the moves Buffalo made at 510 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: quieter spots on their roster. They added more depth at 511 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: safety with Taylor Rap They went out and got into 512 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: your offensive line help and signing. I can never remember 513 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: his name. It's driving me crazy. It's one of the Connors. 514 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: Connor McGovern is now that left guard comes over from Dallas. 515 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: They drafted Ocyrus Torrents in the second round that they 516 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: have so much more physicality among that offense. Dalton and 517 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: Kate is there now. So I just think every team 518 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: was very thought the ways that it needed to get better, 519 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: and there was already something to build on each one 520 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: of those teams. I mean, Miami, I think it was 521 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: just a matter of we need the right guy to 522 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: orchestrate this defense because we have the players. I mean, 523 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: their front is legit. They've got some real players up there. 524 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: So I think every move that these teams made this 525 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: offseason kind of with these goals in mind, makes sense 526 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: on paper. Now it's just a matter of which ones 527 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: work out the best. 528 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: You talked about how much each of these teams have 529 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: come along, maybe over the last couple of years, specifically 530 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas. What kind of job has he done here. 531 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: It's so funny when you look at all the moves 532 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: in totality, so many of the most of them have 533 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: made total sense. You think about the way a GM 534 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: should do this, where it's about recruing resources, giving yourself 535 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: as many chances as you can, not overextending yourself, building 536 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: depth in the right places. But then you counter that 537 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: with spending the second overall pick on a quarter back 538 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 2: that you actively had to replace, and it's difficult. It's 539 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: a reminder that every single GM has a mixed bag, 540 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: every single one. No GM has a blemish, blemishless record. 541 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: You think back to Seattle last year and the draft 542 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: that Seattle had, and then you look at this Seahawks 543 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: draft record and John Schneiders for the previous four or 544 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: five years before that, it was bad. I mean, they 545 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: could not find players in the draft and then they 546 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: nail one last year. So I just think it's about 547 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: making sure you're doing things right process wise. Are we 548 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: making sure we have the right amount of picks? Are 549 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: we accruing picks in the right way? Are we spending 550 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: smartly in free agency? And I think the answer to 551 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: all that is yes. You think about the level of 552 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 2: underlying talent on this team on both sides of the ball. 553 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: You talk about it. Garrett Wilson and Sausgarden are winning 554 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year in the same draft, 555 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 2: the draft where they had two top ten picks. That's 556 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: good work. That that's the type of process you want 557 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: from the person in charge. So we'll see what happens. 558 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: You know, this is now a matter of if the 559 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: quarterback works out, then always for given. And I kind 560 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: of think that's where this team is. 561 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: How about that draft though you mentioned Sauce and Wilson, 562 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: but they come back later in the first round, trade 563 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: up to get Jermaine Johnson, and then they trade up 564 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: a couple spots in the second round to get Breese Hall. 565 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: Those four guys because the Jets have high hopes for 566 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson, and he said a great camp. Potentially maybe 567 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: all those guys get to all pro level. 568 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you need the picks to do that. It's 569 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: just about making sure that we have the right resources 570 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: down the road and we get attached to players and 571 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 2: certain ideas we have of what team should be. But 572 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: think about what that Jamal Adams trade could potentially be 573 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: for the Jets. 574 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: What I was just going to go to with you 575 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: because you talk about, hey, listen, your process has to 576 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: be right, and I want you to elaborate on the trade. 577 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: But it's pretty it's something else. Like you just mentioned 578 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Seattle where they're at now. They made the playoffs last year. 579 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: They got even higher hopes this year because they were 580 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: able to hit on their draft. But prior to that, 581 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: you were thinking, Wow, the Jets won that trade in 582 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: a big time way and it's going to take them 583 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: to the next level where Seattle may have lost that trade, 584 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they hit on 585 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: last year's draft. 586 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: Also they got more picks. Yeah, because of the Russell 587 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: Wilson trade. They they won their own trade to kind 588 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: of put them back in position. And you need that 589 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: somewhere down the line when you're one of these teams 590 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 2: that is rebuilding and kind of refiguring out what you're 591 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: supposed to be. You think about the success stories over 592 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: the last few years. I think the Jets are one 593 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 2: of those success stories. I think the Lions are one 594 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: of those success stories. What we've seen from Seattle, every 595 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: single one of those teams accrued more picks somewhere along 596 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: the way because they understood what their timeline was. And 597 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: it's why what the Cardinals have done this offseason is encouraging. 598 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: It's like, listen, we're going nowhere fast. Let's make sure 599 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: that we stockpile picks for next year. We got two 600 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: first rounders, we've got an extra third. These teams that 601 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: have picks coming out of the woodwork because they understand 602 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: where they are. That's important. The Bears just did it 603 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: with trading down from the number one pick and Carolina 604 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 2: coming up. So I think that understanding self awareness in 605 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: the team building process is hugely important and being able 606 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: to kind of be honest with yourself, your coaching staff 607 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: about where we are. That's a necessary step to get 608 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: you where you want to go. And I think that 609 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: we've seen that and it's been a through line from 610 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: all of the success stories over the last few years. 611 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: We talked about the division, how good is the conference. 612 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: Oh, it's unbelievable. I mean, I can't remember a collection 613 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: of young quarterbacks that was this concentrated. You think about 614 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: the MVPs and MVP caliber players on this side, Mahomes 615 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: and Alan Are have been the two best quarterbacks in 616 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: the league. Burrow is going to win an MVP award 617 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: at some point in his career. Justin Herbert is unbelievable, 618 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: Like last year he had broken rib cartilage for like 619 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: eight weeks and was still a really good quarterback. Lamar 620 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: Jackson has been the MVP of the NFL before. All 621 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: those guys are under twenty seven twenty eight, so that 622 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: being kind of the fulcrum of it all. And then 623 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: you have all these teams that are interesting in other ways, 624 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: like Steeler's defense is going to be really really good 625 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: this season. The Browns have done a really good job 626 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: of putting together that roster. Deshaun Watson clicks into place, 627 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: then they could be really frisky in the entire AFC picture. 628 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: And there's so many different teams that I think are 629 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: at least interesting or building this thing in the right way. 630 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: And Jacksonville's build was a little bit different just in 631 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: the sense that they hit the right quarterback and it 632 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: kind of made everything different. They didn't never stockpile picks 633 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: the way that other people did. But when you find 634 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: that guy and you find the right coach, everything else 635 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: is a little bit easier. And they're kind of in 636 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 2: that conversation too. If they won ten games and they 637 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: pushed one of these teams in the playoffs, and no 638 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: one would be surprised. It's pretty ridiculous top to bottom. 639 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: They're gonna be very few easy weeks, all right. 640 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: The podcast, how much do you enjoy what you're doing 641 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: and is it a labor of love? Because for people, man, 642 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: you're having a good time, but at the same time 643 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: you're working all the time. 644 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: I feel very lucky to do this for a living. 645 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: You know. It's something that we put a lot into 646 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: because we take pride in the work, you know, and 647 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: I want it to be something where when people listen, 648 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: not that they can see the strings, but that they 649 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: know that we put it in. We put in the time, 650 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: we put in the effort, we put in the care. 651 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: There's intention behind the work that we're doing. But at 652 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: the same time, even if there is a lot of 653 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: work that goes into it, it really feels that way. 654 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: You know, I would never want my bosses to hear this, 655 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: but it's something that it doesn't feel like work when 656 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: you're enjoying it as much as we do. I love 657 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: the game. I love talking to people about it. I 658 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: love learning about it. I Mean there are times when 659 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: we're talking on the show and we'll just get carried 660 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: away and you can kind of feel the exuberance. And 661 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 2: that's what we want, you know, we want people to 662 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: have a good time and maybe learn something along the way. 663 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: And if we can put in the energy and kind 664 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: of make it that sort of environment when people come 665 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: to the show, that's what we're hoping for. So if 666 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: we do that every once in a while, then I 667 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: feel like that's success in our minds. 668 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: What's got you most excited for it? Globally? When you 669 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: look at the National Football League this season, that's such 670 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: a tough question. 671 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: I really am excited to see some of these young 672 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: quarterbacks in these semi new situations, Like what does Lamar 673 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: look like in that revamped Ravens offense? What does Justin 674 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: Herbert look like with Kellen Moore now in that offense? 675 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: Just these guys who I'm fascinated by quarterback careers and 676 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: how things kind of change over time, Like when you 677 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: look at the Patriots over a twenty year span and 678 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: you think about the types of offenses that existed in 679 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: two thousand and four and two thousand and five when 680 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: they're winning Super Bowls, and then what they looked like 681 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: in O seven and just the different eras of that 682 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: team that you saw. And we've seen it happen in 683 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: Kansas City a little bit, where you have this team 684 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: in Homes' first couple of years that just bombs away. 685 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: I mean, they're just pushing the ball down the field consistently. 686 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: That's what the type of offense they have. And then 687 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: defense is a just and now you have to become 688 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: a little something different. And I mean the Chiefs said 689 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: one of the lowest average depths of targets in the league. 690 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 2: Last year, they traded away one of the best players 691 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: in football, and they were the best offense in the 692 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: league because of just the little tiny bits of evolution 693 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: you see from the quarterback. The game is constantly changing, 694 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: and it's constantly evolving. If you continue to do the 695 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: same thing over and over and over again, the other 696 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: coaches get paid to they are going to catch up 697 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: with you. So how teams try to create those little 698 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: tiny edges and stay just a little bit ahead as 699 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: often as they can. That's my favorite thing to watch. 700 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: It's just kind of that cyclical, evolutionary nature of the 701 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: way the game exists, and I think that you see 702 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: that in moments both big and small, every single year. 703 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: Do you like the storyline of the old quarterback here 704 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers thirty nine, go be forty in December, matching 705 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: up with a defensive head coach and Robert Sala for 706 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: the first time. 707 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I love the bet that the Jets made. 708 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: I would make it one hundred times out of one 709 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: hundred because it's really the best chance you have this 710 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: roster that's ready to win. You know it's ready to win, 711 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: and you feel that level of urgency. What is the 712 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: best shot for this other group of twenty one to 713 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: fifty two players. It's this quarterback and so we have 714 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: to do everything we can. It didn't feel like there 715 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: were any other options this offseason. This was it, This 716 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: was the plan, this was the move, and that level 717 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: of urgency. I'm sure that people in this building feel it. 718 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not always comfortable. But for somebody who's 719 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: on the outside looking in with nothing invested in this, boy, 720 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: is it fun. 721 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: There's football one on one and then there's football five 722 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: oh one and Robert Mays is always bringing it. Thank 723 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: you so much for stopping by the studio and we'll 724 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: be listening to you throughout the summer, throughout the regular season. 725 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thanks for having