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Speaker 1: The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home

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Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Fulcome to

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Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. It

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Speaker 1: is a Wednesday, the Steelers taking back to the practice

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Speaker 1: field to day you get ready to play the Bengals

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Speaker 1: on Sunday in Cincinnati Paul Brown Stadium, and um, happy

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Eve to all. Yes, yes, absolutely, I sometimes forget

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Speaker 1: day is what the real world? Well, Thanksgiving doesn't really

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Speaker 1: mean anything to me because I'll be working right then.

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Speaker 1: The teams don't care, all right. I'm just glad they're

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Speaker 1: not playing a game on Thanksgiving this year. That never

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Speaker 1: goes over super well in my house. Christmas or Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: Steeler games or not a hit in the Williamson household. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you don't have to be there the other right

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Speaker 1: or travel or right right? Actually, they're right, you know that.

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Speaker 1: Well to three Thanksgivings and hotel rooms. There's a couple

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Speaker 1: of Christmas is do Christmas again this year? That'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, we'll travel day to Kansas City where you

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Speaker 1: which you can't get to from. Yeah, that is a

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Speaker 1: problem with them. There's no there's no direct flights. So yeah, anyway, so,

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Speaker 1: um I can report this because well the Steelers have

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Speaker 1: placed photos of it up on their website. Is one

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Speaker 1: Trent James Watt back at practice today for the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how about that Burg Steelers. That is massive. I mean

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Speaker 1: he has I mean, I'm not sure anyone needs us

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Speaker 1: kind of a big deal. It's kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best players in the league. Um,

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Speaker 1: the past rush they don't blitz a ton anymore. This

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Speaker 1: year the blitz rates really gone down because they're reliant

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Speaker 1: on guys like him to get home and win one

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Speaker 1: on one matchups, which he does so regularly, of course,

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Speaker 1: and it just has such a ripple effect that the player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean just the blocking schemes, the past protection schemes

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Speaker 1: are all so much different when he's in there, and

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Speaker 1: it's just the one like can you can you double

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward as much as if what's there? Because you've

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Speaker 1: got a double him right right right exactly. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a lot harder sliding protections one way or another.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be good for high Smith. It's really

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Speaker 1: difficult to double him. Were doing in the second half

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Speaker 1: of that game, right, I mean, that's a luxury most teams,

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Speaker 1: you know, high Smith usually doesn't have to deal with

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Speaker 1: I mean, with all respect, he's not Lawrence Taylor, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's still a developing player. And I would

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Speaker 1: imagine against Cincinnati Kelsey Jonah Williams alone almost all the time,

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Speaker 1: and Williams is a good young player, and that would

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Speaker 1: an interesting matchup. But you know, Riley Reef is going

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Speaker 1: to get help with why without a doubt write down? Um?

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Speaker 1: And you know again that takes some of the pressure

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Speaker 1: off Cam's been holding the weight of the world on

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Speaker 1: his shoulders doing. Now you've got your three pass rushers.

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was one of the you know,

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Speaker 1: there there wasn't much defensively that the Steelers could pin

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Speaker 1: there there. I said, well, this was this was good.

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Speaker 1: But Highsmith getting a sac and a half game like okay,

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Speaker 1: now you're starting to you know, now he's got three

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Speaker 1: he had three quarterback hits in that game. Now he

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Speaker 1: has ten quarterback hits in the last four games, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's starting to know. I think I want to say

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Speaker 1: whatever that is. Um. Then again, three pass rushers verse

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Speaker 1: just is in terms of protection and keeping guys in

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Speaker 1: and thinking about the Bengals specifically, they were a massive

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Speaker 1: eleven personnel team the first two years Taylor was there.

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Speaker 1: People don't remember, maybe, but Taylor came over from the

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Speaker 1: Rams when McVeigh was as hot as could be and

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Speaker 1: people didn't really know who Taylor was, but he was,

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Speaker 1: you know, from that system, so a boom and they

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Speaker 1: a row of eleven personnel with three receivers on the field,

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Speaker 1: and then before they even had Jamar Chase, you know,

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Speaker 1: against the Bengals. Alright, big deal near Deante Johnson North. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty big deal, too, massive number one receivers player,

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Speaker 1: now you're playing your third and fourth right, right. I

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Speaker 1: mean this past week is a bad example, but losing

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Speaker 1: without what, no matter way anyway you cut it. But

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Speaker 1: two people the same position really things. Yeah, it's no coincidence.

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Speaker 1: They've missed, they've not had what for two games this year,

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Speaker 1: and they've lost both of those games. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's coincidence at all. I mean it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like basketball where okay, but he's such an

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Speaker 1: important player to what they do defensively. It is kind

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Speaker 1: of that that, right, I mean, that's why he's worth

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Speaker 1: the money. He's a top ten NFL player, yeah, without question. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean put it this way. He's missed two games

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Speaker 1: and he's still a half sacked, just a half sack

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Speaker 1: little more than well, I mean less than he used to.

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Speaker 1: Lessen Steeler outside linebackers used to. But he's definitely has

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Speaker 1: many fewer pass rush snaps and I haven't looked at

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Speaker 1: it in a couple of weeks, but obviously it's a

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Speaker 1: bigger discrepancy than was two weeks ago. Garrett has a

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Speaker 1: mean there's a wealth of good ones. I think there's

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Speaker 1: but that's a massive deal against Cincinnati, and the other

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Speaker 1: ripple effect it has is sure Cam's still gonna get doubled,

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Speaker 1: Looking at the rest of the Steeler's injury report, uh,

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Speaker 1: they officially listed Water is a limited participant today, but

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Speaker 1: again limited as a step that's favorable. Louder Milk also

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Speaker 1: limited today. Good, trying to get in the right direction. Uh.

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Speaker 1: though Joe Hayden did not return yet. He's dealing with

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Speaker 1: of tells you what you need to know about Ebron. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right right, and it's not looking good. They're a little

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Speaker 1: light on receiving talent, and I know Ebron's on the

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Speaker 1: most pop Yeah, Ray Ray McLeod went on the COVID

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Speaker 1: didn't think the Juju loss we felt quite as much.

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Speaker 1: expected Washington a step up, though, and he kind of hasn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not friar Muth has. You're right, it's

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Speaker 1: isn't Washington playing more? Well, we're seeing him playing more now,

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Speaker 1: and it's not. He's not super versatile either, like I

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Speaker 1: he's not big, tall enough to win a lot of

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Speaker 1: have a great trump card, and he's not, you know,

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Speaker 1: an extremely versatile receiver in terms of aligning them all

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Speaker 1: was a little scarier, you know. Yeah. I think also

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Speaker 1: the thing, you know, there are other guys who are

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Speaker 1: what happens, you know, um yeah, I mean the quarterback says,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Deonte a chance to catch this ball.

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Speaker 1: You know that that there's a reason why Deante Johnson

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Speaker 1: gets peppered with targets. I mean it's it's like thirteen

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Speaker 1: win twelve or thirteen. Yeah, I mean, that's remarkable that

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Speaker 1: most receivers in the league aren't at that level, no

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Speaker 1: matter even the best in Roethlisberger obviously, trust him throws

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Speaker 1: I looked at his numbers. He's got thirty four catches

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Speaker 1: for like five thirty one yards. He's only played eight games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mike Pursuita and Merrill, and I guess Pursuita was really

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Speaker 1: stressing that Tomlin made no bones about and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: it yesterday too, like there was no coach speak, there

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Speaker 1: was no It's like, this is a super important game,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a game we have to have.

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Speaker 1: This is a FC North football, you know, Like I

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Speaker 1: love hearing coaches actually tell the truth, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Tomlin does it more than most. Sometimes he can send

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Speaker 1: you down different paths and show you something pretty over

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Speaker 1: here while he tells you something on the other side.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I think it's pretty clear that once

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Speaker 1: in you know, it's better than me. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's like there's like five games a year where there's

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Speaker 1: just a message through that building the second they walk

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Speaker 1: into the second they leave. Gap discipline. Was one a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago or whatever against the Browns. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this one is this one is more important

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Speaker 1: than you know, this this is a big one, and

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Speaker 1: he is. He's as Tomlin said, I don't have to

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Speaker 1: sell this real hard because they beat us earlier in

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Speaker 1: the year, right, I know what these guys are like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, um, they're a good team. Yeah. They have

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Speaker 1: not swept the Steelers in a season since I believe nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I mean I looked at the they have not won

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Speaker 1: three in a row against the Steelers since it was

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Speaker 1: they had a stretch where they won six in a

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Speaker 1: row against the Steeler from Okay since then. Yeah, some

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Speaker 1: here they might even win a couple in a row.

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Speaker 1: They've done that, but they've never won three. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty Browns like in terms of recent history. So it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be gonna be an interesting one. It reminds me

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Speaker 1: a little the Browns a year ago too, Like they're

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Speaker 1: not the little brother you can just kick around anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I mean they're they're not a laughing stock organization there.

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Speaker 1: They are legitimate. Yeah, they got they are legitimate scary

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Speaker 1: team big picture that you don't want them to get

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Speaker 1: too confident, you know, like they would be a real bit,

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Speaker 1: don't you know if you own up in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: just beating an upstar team in your division. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's your new England. This game feels very much like

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland game, right, very much? Right right? I agree,

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Speaker 1: I agree, Like let's not let these guys get ahead

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Speaker 1: of themselves and think there's something that they're not quite yet,

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Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, you know. Um, so there's some of that.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, when you're the Steelers and you've

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Speaker 1: pretty much owned the division, like you know, you go

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Speaker 1: into those into the locker room in Cincinnati right now,

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Speaker 1: they always talk about it's Steelers week. Oh I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: that's never been the case for the step you know,

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Speaker 1: and and you know it's the same thing, same thing

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland Steelers week. What was really never you know

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Speaker 1: they you know now the Ravens. That's different. Ravens and

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Speaker 1: Ravens and Steelers both understand that they I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: the they're the big brothers in the in the division,

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Speaker 1: and there's a there's a mutual respect there. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: they the Steelers. The way the Steelers viewed the Bengals

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Speaker 1: for a lot of years was that they were trying

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Speaker 1: to be that guy. They were they were the fake

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Speaker 1: tough guy. Yeah, they were the guy who walked into

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Speaker 1: the bar with the cut off shirt and all the tattoos.

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Speaker 1: But as soon as somebody pushed him, he like, right right,

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Speaker 1: bloody mess outside. Yeah, um yeah, you gotta be you

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Speaker 1: gotta make sure that they know their place. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these guys are moving along in the right direction. But

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Speaker 1: there's something to be said for and I think Burrow

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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with it. Two, Like Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow doesn't care about those statues you mentioned from the

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Speaker 1: eighties and the two thousands and all the He probably

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Speaker 1: looks at it like I've played these guys three teams,

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Speaker 1: three times. I've beat him twice. They're just a team

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Speaker 1: that is black and gold to me, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the history. I don't care. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think actually hasn't been a foish because he didn't

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Speaker 1: start that game last year. I guess he didn't, so

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Speaker 1: he's what one on one? Yeah, Finley beat him. Finley

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Speaker 1: beat him. That. That was just that was probably the

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Speaker 1: worst game I've ever seen Roethlisberger play. Yeah, losing, and

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Speaker 1: Finley should not be in the league. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he is anymore. I thought he was with Houston or

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Speaker 1: somebody signed him. Not so good. Yeah, anyways, let's take

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Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williams and I'm Dale Lally.

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