WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's a Superconductor

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to text Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech, and today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to another tech Stuff classic episode. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>originally published on June five, two thousand thirteen, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has the title It's a bird, it's a plane, It's

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<v Speaker 1>a superconductor. Yep, we're gonna talk about superconductors, those super

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<v Speaker 1>cool literally pieces of technology that allow us to do

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of really advanced stuff. I hope you guys enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen in. So, here's a fundamental problem with electronics,

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<v Speaker 1>with with any sort of circuitry, with any kind of system. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just electronics. That's that's one way we can

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<v Speaker 1>look at it. But there's this problem where you pour

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<v Speaker 1>energy into a system and because of things like entropy,

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<v Speaker 1>the output you get is less than the energy you

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<v Speaker 1>put in. Now, of course, we know we cannot create

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<v Speaker 1>or destroy energy, correct, Yeah, it's one of those laws

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<v Speaker 1>of thermodynamics, and if you try and break them, then

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<v Speaker 1>the thermodynamics police show up. So actually, it just means

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<v Speaker 1>that you cannot break that law. So if you can't

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<v Speaker 1>break that law, if you pour energy into a system

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not getting as much output as you're getting input,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because you're losing energy through some other action. Normally

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<v Speaker 1>in almost every system that we're really familiar with, that's heat. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Heat becomes a byproduct. Energy goes to produce heat, which

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<v Speaker 1>means that whatever you were trying to do is slightly

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<v Speaker 1>less effective than what you had intended. So we see

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<v Speaker 1>this with things like car engines are a great example.

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<v Speaker 1>You pour in fuel, the engine burns up the fuel

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<v Speaker 1>and converts that into power, but you don't get as

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<v Speaker 1>much power out as you're getting energy in from the

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<v Speaker 1>source of that fuel. So the same sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>is true with electronics. And in this case, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about when we're talking about losing energy is

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<v Speaker 1>called resistance. That's the resistance of any particular material to

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<v Speaker 1>the flow of electricity through that material. So with that

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<v Speaker 1>basic information there, now we're going to really dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the very very basic building blocks of electronics. Yes, because

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is that superconductors lose no energy to resistance, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They have no resistance exactly. However, they require extraordinarily cold temperatures,

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<v Speaker 1>like on the magnitude of thirty nine kelvin's which is

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<v Speaker 1>that's cold. Yeah, when you remember, zero kelvin is zero

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<v Speaker 1>molecular movement. That's absolute zero. That's that's like if you

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<v Speaker 1>were to go into the deepest reaches of space and

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<v Speaker 1>there are no molecules moving around, everything is perfectly still.

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<v Speaker 1>That's zero kelvin equivalent to negative two and thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>degrees celsius or negative nine degrees fahrenheit. Right, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's pretty cold. But to understand again about resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's take this this this tour through the building

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<v Speaker 1>blocks of electronics. So now, the early early understanding we

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<v Speaker 1>had about electricity, uh gave us some ideas that we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to work around these days. Like specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of current. Current is a confusing thing for

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<v Speaker 1>someone who has doesn't understand electricity because it run the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of current runs counter to the actual flow of electrons.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when all of these terms were being created, we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know as much about sub atomic particles a k a.

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<v Speaker 1>Much at all anything so so today, so before we

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<v Speaker 1>understood anything about electricity, we began to learn things about

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<v Speaker 1>about charge and the idea of opposite charges attracting one

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<v Speaker 1>another and like charges repelling one another. Now we could

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<v Speaker 1>have called electrons positive charge. We could have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no reason why we would have said electrons are

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<v Speaker 1>negatively charged. It's just a word, right, But that was

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<v Speaker 1>what was considered a negative charge, and then you would

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<v Speaker 1>have the opposite would obviously be a positive charge. We

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<v Speaker 1>could have called these left and right, are are up

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<v Speaker 1>and down or anything really, but banana and obo would choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows the obo is nature's opposite to the banana.

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<v Speaker 1>So the the these opposite charges, the negative and the positive,

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<v Speaker 1>attract one another. Now, if you were to have a

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<v Speaker 1>negatively charged material and a positively charged material, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>within the same general area of each other. The potential

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<v Speaker 1>that separated those opposite electric charges would be called voltage,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So that's when someone's talking about voltage, they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this potential that's separating the opposite electric charges,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's the capacity that they would have for

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<v Speaker 1>doing work if those opposite charges were connected together somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>So you would have to have something that would allow

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<v Speaker 1>these charges to mix together. So back in early days

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<v Speaker 1>of electricity before we really understood the mechanics of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think that all right, well, all the positively

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<v Speaker 1>charged particles would leap over to the negative side and

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<v Speaker 1>the negative charge particles would lead to the positive side

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<v Speaker 1>until the charges had equalized. Right, And even if you

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<v Speaker 1>had one material that was more negatively charged than the

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<v Speaker 1>other material was positively charged, the actual negative charge would

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<v Speaker 1>also even out. Actually, like osmosis, it would kind of

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<v Speaker 1>work itself out, so you would you would end up

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<v Speaker 1>with a larger amount of material that had a negative charge.

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<v Speaker 1>It would just be a lower negative charge than the

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<v Speaker 1>original material you started with. Right. So here we were

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<v Speaker 1>still thinking about this as these little charged bodies, these

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<v Speaker 1>charged particles, both of positive and negative zipping across um.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can you can measure voltage by measuring the

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<v Speaker 1>the two different points. So for example, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>one on the positive node and one the electric node

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<v Speaker 1>are negative node rather uh, you then look at those

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<v Speaker 1>two contact points. That's where you get your voltage. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're using the same point of contact and you're checking

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<v Speaker 1>different other electrodes, uh, that same contact though contact you're

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<v Speaker 1>using for all of them. We usually call the ground, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the ground contact. Now, a material that does conduct

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<v Speaker 1>electricity is called a conductor for that very reason, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so convenient and there, and there are some materials that

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<v Speaker 1>are very good conductors. A lot of the metals, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>are great conductors. How how conductive material is depends on

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<v Speaker 1>how easily it's component atoms donate electrons, right, right, You

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<v Speaker 1>need to have these free electrons. Free electrons are this

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<v Speaker 1>when you have an atom obviously have an electron shell

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<v Speaker 1>or several shells, depending on how how large the atomist.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and uh, and if you have free electrons that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't tied down to anything on the outer shells, then

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<v Speaker 1>that allows electricity to pass more freely because what happens

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<v Speaker 1>is a new electron comes in. This is over simple,

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<v Speaker 1>but a new electron comes in and essentially bonks out

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<v Speaker 1>one of the other electrons in that outer shell, which

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<v Speaker 1>then will bonk out one further down the line. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got a lot of free electrons, then that

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<v Speaker 1>allows this this passage to happen fairly easily. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what allows you to connect these these differently charged

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<v Speaker 1>uh materials to equal that out. We call this current.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, the current is the idea of positively charged

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<v Speaker 1>particles passing from one material to the other. As we

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<v Speaker 1>learned later, it's actually electrons that are passing through, not

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<v Speaker 1>positive charges. But we we consider it stuck with the terminology,

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<v Speaker 1>which means which means that when you say current, you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually talking about the opposite direction as what the electrons

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<v Speaker 1>are really going through. So if you're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>circuit's current, you are looking at it going positive to negative,

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<v Speaker 1>when in reality the electrons are going negative to positive,

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<v Speaker 1>basically proving that Benjamin Franklin was not a time traveler,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Yeah, there are a lot of jokes on

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet saying that we have Benjamin Franklin to blame

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<v Speaker 1>for this misunderstanding. That again is oversimplifying it. Franklin was

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<v Speaker 1>one of but not the only, kind of kind of point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like the mascot for electricity before we knew

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<v Speaker 1>what we could do with it. Now, current we measure

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<v Speaker 1>in ampiers or amps and an emperor is the rate

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<v Speaker 1>of flow of one coolmb of charge in one second

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<v Speaker 1>past some given point. And so that raises the question,

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<v Speaker 1>what is a coolmb. It's a whole bunch of charge. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of charge. It's actually quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of charge. But you know, we won't boil. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>technically important, no, not for not for this discussion, but

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<v Speaker 1>just know that it's a lot of charge. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you hear someone talking about a cool lomb, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of charge. Now, current, of course does have the

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<v Speaker 1>direction as the flow of positive charges. You can think

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<v Speaker 1>of positive charge in a way as vacancies holes, positive

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<v Speaker 1>holes that could accept an electron. Right, because if you

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<v Speaker 1>have even if you have a build up of negative particles,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's no positively charged part if there's no if aren't,

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<v Speaker 1>if there are no vacancies at another point, then those

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<v Speaker 1>that charge is just gonna keep building up. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>the electronwhere, right, So that brings us to the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of an insulator. Now, an insulator is sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite of a conductor. This is a material that charge

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<v Speaker 1>cannot flow through those those component atoms out there. Their

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<v Speaker 1>electrons just want to stay put. Yeah, yeah, they usually

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<v Speaker 1>the usually you don't have any free electrons on the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all uh, they're all bonded together. So that means

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<v Speaker 1>that an incoming electron has nowhere to go. So with

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere to go, then this stuff just halts the flow

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<v Speaker 1>of electricity. And this includes things like air is an insulator. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to pour enough energy into air, you

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<v Speaker 1>could ionize it and then it becomes a conductor. But

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<v Speaker 1>you have to pour energy into air for that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happens with lightning strikes, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise it's more commonly it's it's it's all those things

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like rubber or glass. Exactly exactly. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered conductors, we've covered insulators. That brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>semi conductors. Now, this is a term that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are familiar with because semiconductors we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time. We talk about electronics like microprocessors,

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<v Speaker 1>semiconductor plants, or a silicon wafer. That's what silicon chip

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<v Speaker 1>that has a microprocessor on it. So what exactly is

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<v Speaker 1>a semiconductor, Well, if you're looking at the name, it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gives it away. It's a material that can

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<v Speaker 1>act like a conductor or connect like an insulator. Now, naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to just make a if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to make like a wafer of silicon it was pure silicon,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be an insulator. Because those those electrons are

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<v Speaker 1>all tied up, right, so you an't push more electrons

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<v Speaker 1>through it. However, if you were to start introducing impurities

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<v Speaker 1>into the silicon on purpose, this isn't right right right Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I like phosphorus or boron are two typical ones exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>Then you are doing a process that's called doping, and

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<v Speaker 1>the semiconductor business that's not a bad thing. You won't

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<v Speaker 1>get thrown out the Hall of Fame of Semiconductors for doping.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, doping is necessary to make a semiconductor work. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to dope a semiconductor with atoms that

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<v Speaker 1>have extra electrons, extra being free electrons in that that

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<v Speaker 1>outer shell, I don't mean that they're actually carrying around

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<v Speaker 1>more electronic electrons, right yeah, like phosphorus exactly, free electrons.

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<v Speaker 1>Phosphorus has a free electrons. Then you would get what

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<v Speaker 1>it's called in type semiconductor material because it has more

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<v Speaker 1>negatively charged particles type. Now, boron has what we would

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<v Speaker 1>call vacancies or holes that what electrons could flow into.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you boron, if you introduce boron into silicon,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have availability to accept electrons. A positively charged

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<v Speaker 1>or p type exactly. And if you were to take

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<v Speaker 1>both of these types of doping and apply them to

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<v Speaker 1>one silicon wafer, so that let's just say on the

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<v Speaker 1>left side you have N type silicon and on the

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<v Speaker 1>right sidea of P type silicon, that would allow electrons

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<v Speaker 1>to flow across in the direction from negative to positive. Correct, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>And it would prevent the flow of electrons to go

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<v Speaker 1>from positive to negative because again those negative electrons in

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<v Speaker 1>the N type silicon will will repel any incoming electrons.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the basis of a very specific type of

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<v Speaker 1>electronic component called the diode. Diodes are important. They're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a one way street in electronics and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons this is important is when you

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<v Speaker 1>have something like alternating current. Alternating current, it's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like. It alternates direction. Remember I was saying before.

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<v Speaker 1>Current is the flow of positive charge in a circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have alternating current running through it, then that

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<v Speaker 1>current is running one way and then the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>and it alternates at thousands of times per second. We

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<v Speaker 1>call it hurts. That those cycles per second, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>usually like twenty hurts, so twenty thousand times a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going pooh back and forth. Now I like that

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<v Speaker 1>sound effect. Yeah, that's the sound of electrons just zig zagging.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of our electronics don't run on alternating current.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to run on direct current. So diodes are

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<v Speaker 1>a good way of addressing that because they will only

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<v Speaker 1>allow charge to pass through in one direction. So even

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<v Speaker 1>if you have an alternating current, then it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent current from passing through one way and allow it

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<v Speaker 1>to pass through the other way. That's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways we use to to transform altering current into direct current.

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<v Speaker 1>So right, and this problem is why you get those

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<v Speaker 1>little um those little boxes on your electric plugs to

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<v Speaker 1>transform the alternating current coming in through your through your

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<v Speaker 1>system to be yea through through that the pluggy thing, outlets, outlets.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a long day, it has, it has. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>giggling more than usual. So also, we've been in a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting for a long long time. If you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know how long, just a quick aside, check out Josh

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<v Speaker 1>and Chuck's series Trapped in a Meeting. It's very good,

0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it's very funny, and it's very real. It's it's so real,

0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.640
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's my video debut, So check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. You can see Lauren blocking me for almost

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<v Speaker 1>every episode. I can just see like either the front

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<v Speaker 1>on my face or the back of my head and

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<v Speaker 1>almost every shot. But uh, that's just me complaining. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's move on to we we've we mentioned resistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Resistance is this property that resists the flow of a charge,

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<v Speaker 1>and it depends on the material of the conductor, uh

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<v Speaker 1>and the flaws that that conductor might have that create resistance. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The gauge of the conductor, so example, the gauge of wire,

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<v Speaker 1>So how how much of it there is? Right, The

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<v Speaker 1>thinner the wire, the greater the resistance in general. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about copper wire and you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>smaller gauges which are actually larger wires. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why that is. I'm sure someone out there understands why

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<v Speaker 1>the gauge and size are inversely related things. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>out there, I'm sure, and I bet I could have

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<v Speaker 1>found it out easily if I looked it up. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think too, but I'm sure some of our electron

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<v Speaker 1>attrician friends out there know exactly why. Anyway, the larger

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<v Speaker 1>the diameter of the wire, the lower the resistance. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is the temperature of the material itself.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, if you lower the temperature of the material,

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<v Speaker 1>then you can decrease the resistance. And that's the vary

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<v Speaker 1>basis of conductors. So and and that that that temperature

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<v Speaker 1>comes in because uh oh, you know, he heat makes

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<v Speaker 1>atoms bang around into each other more, which which is

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<v Speaker 1>part of what causes resistance. And and on the flip side,

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<v Speaker 1>resistance causes heat, right, those atoms are starting to bang around.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually creates heat. It's essentially friction on an atomic

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<v Speaker 1>level or sub atomic level because you're talking about electrons,

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<v Speaker 1>but it still creates heat. And that's where you get

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<v Speaker 1>this loss of energy in your system or loss of output,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're not really losing energy in the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's still going somewhere, it's just no longer

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<v Speaker 1>contained within the system that you have created. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Owns law have to do? Right? Owns law

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<v Speaker 1>is the relationship between voltage and resistance, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>it is explained as voltage equals current times resistance, or

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<v Speaker 1>because we can switch these around, current equals voltage divided

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<v Speaker 1>by resistance. So you look at the voltage across whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the resistor itself is, whether it's a specific component in

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<v Speaker 1>electronic circuit or the overall circuit or just a wire,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, that way, you can if you know the

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<v Speaker 1>voltage and the current, you can determine what the resistance is. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you know any of those two, you

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<v Speaker 1>can determine the third because you know what how they

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<v Speaker 1>relate to one another. UM. Now, on top of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, we then have the concept of power. This

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<v Speaker 1>is that output that you're getting. And power is we

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<v Speaker 1>measure that in watt's w A T T S, and

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<v Speaker 1>power released into a resistor equals the voltage times the

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<v Speaker 1>current or voltage squared divided by resistance or current squared

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<v Speaker 1>multiplied by resistance. The point we're getting to is that

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<v Speaker 1>these basic concepts of electronics are all very very closely

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<v Speaker 1>related to one another, and the more we understand about them,

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<v Speaker 1>the greater potential we have to uh creating new stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that really takes advantage of Right, it was our eventual

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of these basic principles that has allowed us to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of break the physics that that or or twinge

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<v Speaker 1>the physics make them go what happened was we understood things,

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<v Speaker 1>how we understood how things worked in kind of our normal,

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<v Speaker 1>under normal room temperature kind of situation. Because because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>early early people working in electronics, early people early electronics work,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and they were trying to plug in their xbox. No. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are working on electricity, very early on,

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<v Speaker 1>when we were just learning about the principles of electricity

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<v Speaker 1>and and what it is, how these different elements relate

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<v Speaker 1>to one another, they didn't necessarily have the capacity to

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<v Speaker 1>alter things enough to really see like, gosh, what would

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<v Speaker 1>happen if we super cool super cool that. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the ability to do it early early on,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't too late when they started to to

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<v Speaker 1>really experiment with it. But we'll get into that, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is our down and dirty basic electronics coverage there,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we can actually look at superconductors and explain

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they are, how they work, and why they're

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<v Speaker 1>so amazing. We're gonna take a quick break from this

0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:35.080
<v Speaker 1>classic episode about superconductors to thank our sponsors. All right,

0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 1>back to superconductors. So we've covered conductors, insulators, we've covered semiconductors,

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<v Speaker 1>we've heard about resistance. What exactly is a superconductor? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Technically this is some sort of material that will conduct

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<v Speaker 1>electricity without resistance below a certain temperature. And you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want that resistance obviously, because again you have that loss

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. You wanted to be as efficient as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you could find a material that does not

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<v Speaker 1>convert any of that energy into heat and it's all output,

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<v Speaker 1>then you've just dramatically increased the efficiency of your system.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about as close to perpetual motion as we can

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<v Speaker 1>ever expect to get, which is really exciting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for cost purposes and all kinds of all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>fun research bits which will get into in a minute sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh. In fact, the according to superconductors dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>which has a lot of really fun information about superconductors

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Uh, scientists call it a quote macroscopic

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<v Speaker 1>quantum phenomenon in the quote, which is huge literally because

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about macroscopic But but that's the things that

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<v Speaker 1>quantum phenomena. We normally think of quantum mechanics quantum phenomena

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<v Speaker 1>as happening on a subatomic scale, right, so small that

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<v Speaker 1>even our most powerful light microscope couldn't see it. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to use something like an electron telling microscope. It's

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<v Speaker 1>highly theoretical and and all very tricky. It's really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because our laws of physics we know it starts breaking

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<v Speaker 1>down at that point. But right, but it's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's going on there because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>dark and tiny. Right, Yeah, it's it's a totally different

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<v Speaker 1>set of rules than what we're used to on the

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<v Speaker 1>classic level. And to have something on the macroscopic level

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to behave under these quantum phenomena is pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So exactly what's going on, Well, let's go back a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and look at the history of learning about this. Right, so,

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<v Speaker 1>way back in nineteen eleven, a Dutch physicist whose name

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<v Speaker 1>I am now going to butcher, and I apologize to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone out there who is from the Netherlands who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to WinCE at everything. I say, um, hi k Kummerling

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<v Speaker 1>on this of Leighton University, and I bet it's Leyden

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<v Speaker 1>University too as soon as I say it's Laden because

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<v Speaker 1>Leyden jars. But anyway, uh, this physicist discovered super conductivity,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least observed it for the first time as

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<v Speaker 1>far as we know, looking at solid mercury. They had

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<v Speaker 1>made a solid artery wire and cooled it to the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature of about four kelvin using liquid helium, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is about negative four hundred fifty two degrees fahrenheit or

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<v Speaker 1>negative two d sixty nine degrees celsius. And he noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that when he did this, its resistance suddenly disappeared. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So this was interesting. This is the sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought I always imagined scientists doing, sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>the lab and just saying, huh, I got this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what happens if I do X to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, let's drop the temperature down to almost absolute

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<v Speaker 1>zero and see if that does anything interesting. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's way more complicated than that, but I like

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<v Speaker 1>to think that that's what scientists are doing. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>what's what was really going on there was that the

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<v Speaker 1>mercury at that temperature underwent a phase transition. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get more into that in a second. Right, So then

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<v Speaker 1>we skip ahead a little bit. That was nineteen eleven

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen thirty three some German researchers Walter Meisner, not

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<v Speaker 1>the aimed theater mentor because I have a lot of

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Meisner technique different sharing. Guyisner and Robert Oceanfeld discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>a super conducting material will repel a magnetic field. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is super cool as well. I keep using that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean to, and I should have caught myself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's really interesting. It's really interesting. If you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen there's lots of videos on YouTube, right of people

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<v Speaker 1>using magnets and super cooled super conductor material and they

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<v Speaker 1>can lock the material in a levitating state above the magnet, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or sometimes they have a super conducting base that is

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<v Speaker 1>super cooled and then they put a magnet on top

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<v Speaker 1>of it and it seems to just hang in the air. Now, technically,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you actually listen to the physicists who

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this, there's a great Ted talk where a

0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>guy demonstrates this. Town it's will link it on social

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everyone's seen it, but we'll we'll link it

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<v Speaker 1>anyway because it's still fun to watch. Uh. He explains

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<v Speaker 1>that technically it's not levitation, it's what they call quantum lock. Uh,

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>And so it's a little different from that that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get more into that in a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you skip ahead to nineteen seven, when a trio

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of scientists leon In Cooper, John Bardine, and John Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Schreefer proposed the first successful model that explained super conductivity.

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<v Speaker 1>This might be a good time to mention that while

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about models that explain super connectivity, honestly, scientists

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<v Speaker 1>are still learning about the properties of super conductors and

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<v Speaker 1>how they do what they do, and why they operate

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<v Speaker 1>at certain temperatures better than other temperatures. So while we're

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<v Speaker 1>describing this stuff, and while we have super conductors in

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<v Speaker 1>actual use around the world in thousands of different applications,

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>we still don't understand everything about precisely how it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say we, I'm not talking about just

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>me and Lauren. I'm talking about super smart people that

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.159
<v Speaker 1>that's their job. We're still learning. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that I always find exciting. It's just, you know,

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>when you know that you don't know everything, that always

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>gives you that kind of tingle to right you want

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<v Speaker 1>to learn more. So their theory became known as the B. C.

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<v Speaker 1>S Theory, and it earned them the Nobel Prize in

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<v Speaker 1>Physics in nineteen seventy two. Now we kind of need

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of talk about what this theory says. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the atoms in a conductive material that have given up

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<v Speaker 1>electrons are are are then positively charged ions, right right, okay, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and when electrons are flowing through them, they're attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>those negative negatively charged electrons. Cool. Right, Cool, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really bad word to use me in this podcast. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>already having made three or four times under usual circumstances, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those ions kind of crunching together towards the electrons that

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<v Speaker 1>are flowing through them would cause for existance, but not

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<v Speaker 1>in superconductors. And what we kind of didn't realize until

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<v Speaker 1>we started getting into quantum mechanics is that that resistance

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<v Speaker 1>happens because electrons have properties of both particles and waves,

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<v Speaker 1>right this, this is that duality thing that always got

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<v Speaker 1>me confused when I got to that point and learning

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<v Speaker 1>about science was the idea that something can behave as

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<v Speaker 1>both a wave and a particle. We see this a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in quantum mechanics, and it's part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why it's such an interesting and counterintuitive field. Absolutely yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, my brain kind of just goes, well, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's fine to be fair. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of string theorists have that same reaction to their work.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm being honest. I've seen interviews where they say,

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<v Speaker 1>there comes a point where you just have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how it works, because it's how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>It always feels a little bit like double think to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, So we've got electrons acting like particles and waves,

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and um, those excited ions that are in the conductive

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:04.440
<v Speaker 1>areal kind of create counter ripples in this this flowing

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>lake or river of electrons, and and that winds up

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>causing that resistance I see. But in superconductors, the electrons

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>assume a nearly identical speed and direction, forming a kind

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of single organized wave that resists that disruption from the

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>ions I see. So instead of having let's let's let's

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>put this on a macro scale. And keep in mind

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that whenever you change anything from the quantum scale to

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the macro scale and you're using an analogy, it's imperfect

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>to say the right. And this is also an extreme

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>oversimplification that I'm presenting to you. So, but let's imagine

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that you have a room full of people, and you

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>have one doorway leading out of the room. And someone

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>walks into the room and says free cake and then leaves,

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and then everyone just tries to rush the door. All right, Well,

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the fact that people could only fit through the door

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>a few at a time, but everyone's trying to get

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>through there, that kind of represents resistance in a way. Now,

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 1>let's say that someone comes in and says, uh, you know,

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>free cake, but there's plenty for everyone, so just come

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>in the same order that you you know, walked into

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the room, and everyone obeys the rules and they all

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>just smoothly exit. That's kind of the idea of superconductors.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>You've created this experience where everything's happening in a very uh,

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>very ordered, controlled right. Yeah. Yeah, it's sort of like

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>if all those people were members of a dance troupe

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and they just kind of fell into line and danced

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>quietly out. In fact, that as analogy I've seen several

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>times when looking at superconductors. Now, the BCS theory that

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>we had mentioned explains that the electrons travel in ever

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>changing Cooper pairs, named after leon In Cooper, one of

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the three of that and that uh so you have

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that leading electron. The pairs have a leading electron and

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a following electron. They're both going down this pathway. Keeping

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in mind electrons do repel one another. Yeah, so which

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 1>is way that where the ever changing comes in. They

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.479
<v Speaker 1>they kind of swap around a whole bunch, right. So

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you've got this pair going down, swapping places occasionally. Uh,

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>And the positively charged ions start to be attracted to

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that leading electron, which means that you have a growing

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:17.719
<v Speaker 1>positive charge, which starts pulling that second electron even harder.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>That creates this increased pressure if you will of poll

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>really right, it's pulling those electrons even harder than it

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>normally would because the positive charges growing and all of this,

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>all of these different opposing forces essentially end up canceling

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>each other out so that you don't end up with resistance, right,

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is opposite to the way that resistance normally works,

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>which is so cool, not cool, so interesting. Now, keep

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in mind this was the first working model of super conductivity,

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>and uh, then future study would end up kind of

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>tweaking this and changing our understanding a little bit. Uh.

0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>In fact, in nineteen sixty two, we then had Brian D.

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Josephson who predicted that electrical current would flow between two

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>superconducting materials, even if they were separated by non superconductors

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>or even insulators. Now, that prediction that he made was

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>later on confirmed and he earned the Nobel Prize in

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Physics in ninety three, so one year after the BCS

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>team won the Nobel Prize in Physics. So clearly superconductor's

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>big important thing in physics from the fifties through the

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>seventies and up through to today. Oh sure, sure, what

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>more research conducted in the eighties would change the field

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>all over again. But we will talk more about that

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>in a moment. Yeah, yeah, we have to. We have

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to then discuss the different major types of superconductors, and uh,

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>there are different ways you can divide them up, but

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the most common way is to refer to them as

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>type one and type two, which not that helpful upon

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the surface. So lists actually define these type one superconductors. Uh,

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>made out of pure metal, right, So you get this

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>pure metal material, whatever the metal is, and then you

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>have to cool it to a point where the metal

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>exhibits zero electrical resistivity and perfect dia magnetism. So we're

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>talking now about any particular metal. It doesn't matter which

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>one it is. The temperature will well vary depending upon

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the actual metal you're using, right, So lead is different

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>from copper, that kind of thing. But they all have

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>this they have they all have this specific critical temperature, right,

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and most of them are pretty cold, so you have

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to use something really really cold to cool them. Light

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>liquid helium, which is hard to get. It's it's very

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>it's expensive, yes, and there's not that much left of it.

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, in the grand scheme of things, we don't

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't have enough helium for all the stuff we

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>would like to do with helium. For one thing, they're

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>all those children's parties and you think I'm joking, but

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. Helium is actually being used in those helium

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>balloons that you see that you can go out and buy.

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>There are scientists who say it's a real shame that

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>we're using helium to entertain children when we could be

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>using it to run m R I machines or a

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>super collider or one of a thousand other devices. So

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>so that's one of the downsides of the type one

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>superconductors is that they do need to be cool to

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>these very very low temperatures, and if they go above

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that temperature, the superconductivity is broken. You can get it

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>back by cooling it back down again, but the actual

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>properties it exhibits as a superconductor go away if the

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>temperature goes over whatever it's critical temperature is for being

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>a superconductor. Another thing that will cause the breakdown of

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the superconductive state is if you subject it to what's

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>called a critical magnetic field. Right, So remember we talked

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>about diet magnetism. This means that magnetic fields cannot penetrate

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>this superconductor met all while it's in the superconductor state,

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>so you can't make It's what allows a superconductor to

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of uh float above a magnet, although with type

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>one superconductors that always tends to be wobbly. If you've

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>ever seen a demonstration of this, the whatever the materials

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is going to be kind of kind of spinning and shaking.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't hold it doesn't hold a position very well.

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>It does tend to wobble quite a bit. But uh,

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>if you were to introduce a magnetic field that is

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>stronger than what that superconductor can land, yeah, yeah, the

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>expel really because it's expelling magnetic field. But yeah, if

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>it's too strong a magnetic field, it again will break

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>down that superconducting state and it will just become a

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>regular conductor as opposed to a superconductor. So you have

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to maintain its critical temperature and make sure it is

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>not subjected to a magnetic field above that critical limit.

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>All right. So that's Type one superconductors, which then raises

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the question, what is a Type too superconductor. Now these

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 1>are made up of alloys, uh, and they have a

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>much more complex diamagnetic feature to them. Right, They're not.

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>They're not as simple as Type one. They actually have

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>two thresholds for critical magnetic fields. All right. So if

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>it's if the magnetic field is below the primary threshold,

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the type two uh superconductor x more or less like

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a type one. So in other words, if you super

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 1>cool this down to below that that threshold, it will

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>behave just like it would be just as if it

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>were a Type one superconductor. Now, um, if if that

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 1>magnetic field goes above that threshold but still is below

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 1>the second threshold, you then have a superconductor entering into

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>what is called a vortex state, which to me just

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>sounds like it's some sort of science fiction ee like

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>pulled through the portal into another dimension. But that's not

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>exactly what's happening. It's it's pretty science fiction. It's what's

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>what's going on here is that um uh currents or

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 1>or whirlpools of of superconducting material will flow around spots

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of normal material. So you have these islands of conducting

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>material and these vortices of super conducting materials. So within

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the same substance, some of it is acting like a superconductor,

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>some of it's acting like a conductor. And this creates

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>really interesting properties that will that will cover in a

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 1>secure right, So that's what really makes it different. Now, granted,

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>if you were to again increase that magnetic field so

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that it goes above that second threshold, the superconductivity properties

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 1>breakdown down, so and and you do have to cool

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>down the type two superconductors. Although there's been some amazing

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>work fairly recently, and that that that eighties stuff that

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.879
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about, right that will that will cover

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in a minute. That really kind of give us some

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>hope for future applications. We'll be right back with more

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>on superconductors in just a moment, but first let's take

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>another quick break, all right, So we talked a little

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>bit earlier about this levitating effect that you can see

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>with superconductors. It's not really levitating. It's called quantum lock

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>or flux pinning. Right, And this has to do with

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>that vortex state that we mentioned a second ago. Right.

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>This is for type two, specifically Type one superconductors can

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>do this too, but as we said, they're very unsteady.

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>But type two, if you keep it within that critical

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 1>boundary between those two thresholds we talked about, where it's

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>above the type one threshold but below the type two threshold,

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>you can have this quantum lock where you can put

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a magnet above a superconducting base or a super super

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>cooled superconductor over a magnet and lock it into a

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>position shin where it's seemingly just floating. Really it is

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:08.399
<v Speaker 1>floating above the magnet or no, for the magnets, floating

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>above the superconductor. However you've had it arranged. And that

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 1>and that that Ted talk that we mentioned from from

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven that probably you've seen a call that

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:18.399
<v Speaker 1>that was calling it quantum levitation. You know, it's it's

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the dude just just pushed a magnet around and it

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of float in a circle when it was what

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:24.359
<v Speaker 1>he had was he had a I think he had

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>a big circular magnet. Like yeah, it was exactly like

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>a doughnut in the sense that had a band of

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 1>magnetic material that runs in a circle. But was it

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>was just a band. It wasn't a disk or anything.

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:38.839
<v Speaker 1>It was a band of this magnetic material. So yeah,

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>like a donut. And then had this super cooled super

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:45.720
<v Speaker 1>conducting material that he put He put it in place

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>above the band, so it's not touching the band at all,

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it's floating above it. And he could actually change the

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>orientation of the superconductor so it could be flat, or

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>he could tilt it so suddenly it was at a

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 1>forty five degree tilt, and then he could just give

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 1>it a little push and it would float around the

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>circle of this magnetic band, just floating as though we're

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>on a track, but not touching anything. Right, So there's

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>there's no real apart from air resistance, there's no real

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.760
<v Speaker 1>force acting against it. So in other words, it's about

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>as close to perpetual motion as you can get. It

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>would just keep going around and around and around until

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the air resistance finally would make it stop, and he

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 1>even demonstrates that, uh, it is completely independent of gravity

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>as well. If you were to turn the whole thing

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 1>upside down, it would, yes, which it is pretty awesome.

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>It then floats underneath the band. But again you can

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>change the orientation of the superconducting material. And it's it's

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:52.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of a mind blowing video. It's it's really terrific.

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.879
<v Speaker 1>And what's what's going on in it is that UM.

0:38:56.080 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>So as superconductors UM cool down, they increase recently expel

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 1>magnetic fields. And when you when you get a type

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>two superconductor into that vortex state, UM electrons can can

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>form these kind of eddy currents that produce a counter field, right, Yeah,

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of crazy. And and so you've got this,

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>you've got this expelling of fields out from the super

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>conducting material. You also have the norm the quote unquote

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>normal islands of material in there that are attracted to

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>whatever the magnet is UM. And so it's the balance

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 1>of those two that make that type to superconductor stable

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the type ones that are all wobbly. UM.

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>There's there's also been you might remember background the year

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>two thousand, uh, some some people got a whole lot

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>of attention for levitating a frog, and you know water

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and hazelnuts and all kinds of fun stuff. It was

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 1>along the same principles and and works because although technically,

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, what we think of things like water in

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 1>organic tissue like frogs is being non magnetic um, they

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 1>will exhibit a very weak repulsive effect when placed in

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>a very strong magnetic field. I know that I can

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 1>be repulsed by frogs quite easily. However, if you want

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to have a fun experiment with frogs and magnetism, you

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>take a frog and you go up to your little

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 1>sister and you rub it against her hair and then

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you run. It doesn't actually do anything scientific, but it

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>can be quite amusing. Now over how stuff works. We

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>have articles that cover all sorts of stuff, and we

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 1>even have one on superconductors. And there was one particular

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 1>section of that article I wanted to quote the sidebar

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>that was that was just very effective. Right, This comes

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>straight from our article on superconductors. Superconductors boast more than

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>zero resistance. They also offer extremely high current carrying density,

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>exceptionally low resistance and high frequencies, very low signal dispersion,

0:40:54.440 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 1>and high magnetic field sensitivity. They exclude externally applied magnetic fields,

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>exhibit unusual quantum behaviors, and are capable of near light

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>speed signal transmission. This combination of factors effectively rewrites the

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>rules for electromagnetic industries and suggests numerous possible innovations, including

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 1>improved electric power transmission, generation and storage, smaller, more powerful

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>magnets for motors, cutting edge medical equipment, improved microwave components

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 1>for communications and military applications, vastly boosted sensors, and using

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>magnetic fields to contain charged particles. So that's that's you know,

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk a little bit more about some

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 1>of the applications, but the potential is phenomenal. Yeah. And

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and thank you to Nicholas Jervis or Gurbous, depending on

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>how you pronounce that for for writing that excellent little

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>bit for that article on superconductivity for us. Yes, yes,

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a great read. I do recommend it. Uh. And

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 1>there are lots of different substances that can exhibit superconductivity. Uh.

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Some of them were you know, the pure substances we

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>talked about, the metallic elements and do this if you

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.439
<v Speaker 1>cool them to the correct temperature. Uh. Some of them.

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Some of them that are not metals can exhibit superconductivity Uranium, yeah,

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 1>or selenium or silicon. If you if you lower the

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>temperature enough, you have to pressure. Yeah, that's they don't.

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 1>If it's at just a normal one atmosphere pressure, you

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>can't get it cold enough to do that. But if

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you increase the pressures, uh, then that the combination of

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the pressure and the temperature will have them exhibit this

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 1>superconductive property, and then that you have hot superconductors. All right,

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>this is that recent, more recent research that was begun

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties. And so so tell us, tell us

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>what hot superconductors do. Okay, So you know, we've talked

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>about the idea of cold fusion, the idea of having

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>a fusion reactor that could operate at temperatures that are

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.720
<v Speaker 1>much lower than what we would expect a fusion reactor

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 1>to to perform at. Right A hot superconductor is kind

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>of the opposite idea. And while we don't know if

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>cold fusion will ever really work, we do know that

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>hot superconductors are a thing. Right Well, when we say hot,

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>we're talking relative terms. It's still very, very very cold.

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>It's still cold enough to kill you if you were

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>to be exposed to it. But it's not so cold

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:24.239
<v Speaker 1>as to require liquid helium to cool it. Um. So

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 1>this was something that that lots of different people were

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 1>working on throughout the years, and you know, just sort

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of experimenting with different combinations and materials. Again, getting back

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to that scientist in the lab saying, Huh, I wonder

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>what would happen if we did this to this. Uh.

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>That first one was, I believe it was discovered by

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>IBM researchers. They presented a a superconductor of barium lanthenom

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 1>lanthanum and copper oxide um and and it could achieve

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>zero resistance at thirty five kelvin, right, which is what

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>minus two hundred and thirty eight celsius and minus three

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>d and ninety seven fahrenheit. Wow, Lauren does some wicked

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.439
<v Speaker 1>math in her head. Yeah. And so instead of using

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>liquid helium, that meant that you could use liquid nitrogen,

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 1>which is much more plentiful and inexpensive, right, Yes, you can,

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, compare to liquid helium. Liquid nitrogen we're lousy

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>with it. Yeah, yeah, and you can pick it up

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>at the supermarket if you really. The point being that

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>it is much. It really lowered the bar for what

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.839
<v Speaker 1>you could make a superconductor out of, which meant that

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.359
<v Speaker 1>suddenly you could use them for a lot more applications.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, before only the most well funded applications could

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 1>ever afford any source of superconductor material because everything we

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>had needed to be cooled down so far that you

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>had to have liquid helium to do it. And there

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.799
<v Speaker 1>are there are plenty of places out there that are

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 1>using that kind of material, like the Large Hadron Collider,

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 1>for example, uses superconductors and it's and it's electronics in

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>order for it to increase the speed of proton beams

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 1>so that they can collide at massive, massive speeds and

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>create a situation that looks like a tiny microcosmic version

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.439
<v Speaker 1>of the Big Bang or shortly ameliate following the Big Bang.

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess I should say the world record for the

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 1>hottest quote unquote superconductor was that and that it was

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 1>at thirty eight calvin, which is only a mirror negative

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>celsius and negative two eleven fahrenheit. Right, so again still

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>really cold to us, but downright bal mecause yeah, it's

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>like a it's like a vacation in the tropics, really

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and they were using thallium doped mercuric cuprate, which was

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 1>comprised of the following elements. So this is what you

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>have on your shopping list if you want to make

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 1>one of these. It's not easy. And most of these

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>things are poisonous. Mercury which is poisonous, thallium which is

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 1>also poisonous, barrier, calcium, copper, and oxygen. It's not something

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>that you can actually go and put together on your own.

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.959
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't recommend trying. No, no, Now, your average science

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 1>lab is not gonna be able to produce that kind

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of superconductor. But then we can talk a little bit

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>about what we would use this stuff for, what's being

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 1>used already, how it's being already used. Yeah, m R

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I I think is the probably most common that that's

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 1>magnetic resonance imaging. Yes, so MR eyes are used to

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 1>look at soft tissues, right, because X rays are very

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>good at looking at things like like your skeleton, but

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 1>they don't they don't pick up soft tissue very well.

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>M R eyes, however, are very good at looking at

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>soft tissue, so they became very important in the field

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>of medicine. And superconductors are a great component for m

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>r I machines, as Jonathan mentioned a moment ago, super

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>colliders such as the Large Hadron collider YEP, and there,

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 1>of course there are more than just that. That's just

0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>probably the most famous one that people have heard about recently.

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Magnetic levitation trains maglev trains. There's a couple of examples

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 1>of these, mostly out in Japan, where the idea is

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to use the superconductors along a track, so you super

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>cool them and you create this uh, this this quantum

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>lock phenomena, and then there are magnets on the actual

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 1>train that can allow it to levitate above the track,

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>thus allowing it to move without that friction that would

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>normally cause the train to be less efficient and uh

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and allow it to move it on a high speed

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:39.479
<v Speaker 1>um without with a relative minimum of energy input, right right, Uh.

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And of course you could also make a train the

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>other way around, where the superconductors are on the train

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and the magnets are in the track. In fact, I

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 1>think Japan might have examples of both. I wrote an

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>article years and years ago for Discovery News about it,

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>but frankly, I honestly can't remember at this point. But

0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>other things we could use it for nuclear magnetic resident

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it's spectroscopy, that's that's that's just very useful in a

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 1>pharmacutical pharmaceutical research. It catches yeah, biotechnologies, etcetera, etcetera. And

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>they're they're looking forward to uh to maybe trying to

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 1>use this in more efficient forms of energy storage or

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 1>energy capture like wind turbines, right, also just other electric

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>generators in general, so that you don't lose as much

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of that electricity that you've generated through heat. So again

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that's one of those things. You know, if we can

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.400
<v Speaker 1>make power systems more efficient where more of the power

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 1>we are, more of the electricity we're generating, gets to

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>wherever it needs to be to do work, then that's

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 1>a win for everybody. It means that you have to

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>consume fewer resources because you don't have to worry about

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:51.439
<v Speaker 1>losing you know, x amount of the energy you're trying

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>to produce as heat. Right. Also on the on the

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>quantum level, it could be very useful for things like

0:48:56.320 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>quantum computers because it's it's working that tiny quantum scale. Yeah,

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>quantum computers. There's always a super cooling element with quantum

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:09.439
<v Speaker 1>computers as well, in order to make them work. We've

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 1>talked about quantum computers in previous episodes, but I have

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 1>a feeling we're going to need to do a full

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>episode on quantum computers to really explain what the concept

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.280
<v Speaker 1>is and how they work, because again, it gets pretty

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess Einstein would call it spooky. I guess I

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 1>guess you would. Um speaking of spooky a quantum entanglement.

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Superconductors are used to create quantum entanglement, ah so, which

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>is again a very important component in things like the

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:43.439
<v Speaker 1>quantum cryptography. Now you have a note here that I've

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 1>read I see in front of me. I wanted to

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>mention that this is not anti gravity, right, Um, you

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>know it is. You are. You are canceling out a

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:56.840
<v Speaker 1>magnetic field, right, But it's not like you have created

0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:00.040
<v Speaker 1>some way like you can't turn a switch on the

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>room everyone floats off the floor exactly. Yeah, And we're

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 1>we're not we're not counteracting gravitons. We still don't really

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>know how gravity actually works. I mean, wit, we obviously

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 1>see uh, the effect of it, right, we don't see

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the actual mechanism. Yeah. Back was a Russian physicist whose

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>name I'm not even going to attempt, right, now, Um,

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>but but he he claimed to have successfully tested this

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 1>device that would shield an object from gravity. Um. It

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:33.760
<v Speaker 1>involved levitating a superconducting disc above m magnet and UM,

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 1>no one, no one in the past couple of decades

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 1>has figured out how has has been able to replicate

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>this experiment. So that's not that's not what we're talking about,

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 1>right right. And then, of course, the other note I

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.760
<v Speaker 1>was going to mention was the one about people thought

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that we somehow reverse engineered superconductors from alien spacecraft. Yeah,

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>because you know what Area fifty one they were. They

0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 1>were holding all those that that that alien space craft.

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 1>And so where you wrote that and I wrote that

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.839
<v Speaker 1>whole article Area fifty one, and I don't remember any

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.879
<v Speaker 1>alien spacecraft being in there. No. This is again why

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>those conspiracy theories where people thought that perhaps humans are

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>not ingenious or inventive enough to have come up with

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>this on our own. Now credit, since we already talked

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.759
<v Speaker 1>about how the first experiments with super conductivity date back

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:24.799
<v Speaker 1>to nineteen eleven, I think we can be safe to

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 1>say that it's not the Area fifty one reverse engineering nonsense. However,

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know it's I do see the connection

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 1>since we started really up pushing pushing the technology off

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the ground in the nineteen fifties and nine and nine

0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>seven being the year that um oh, the Roswell incident.

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Of the Roswell incident. Also keep in mind that Roswell

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 1>an Area fifty one are not remotely closely clearly connected.

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 1>So I this is where Jonathan says, ladies and gentlemen,

0:51:56.000 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 1>humans are amazingly smart and amazingly creative, and we come

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>up with some amazing accidents. Yeah, there's sometimes we find

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:07.839
<v Speaker 1>out we find stuff that we weren't even looking for,

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 1>but it becomes really important. And I don't I personally,

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.319
<v Speaker 1>whenever I think of these reverse engineering stories, it really,

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to me is just downplaying how how brilliant people can be.

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And that kind of gets me a little upset because

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I've met folks who are truly geniuses at specific fields

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and uh, and you know, I think it's an insult

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.399
<v Speaker 1>to them to say that, oh, obviously no person could

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 1>have thought this up. It's too magical. It must have

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>come from somewhere else. Also, reverse engineering isn't really easier necessary.

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, because you have to figure out how

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 1>it works in the first place, and then it's not

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 1>like you don't you don't just know it doesn't involve

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>using a Mac computer to upload of virus to a mothership. Boy,

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 1>we could do a full episode on just uh, that

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 1>would be fun to do. Sometimes do a tech stuff

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 1>episode where we just pick a science fiction film and

0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 1>pick apart all the technical and accuracies in that film.

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.399
<v Speaker 1>And we could do that occasionally, just once in a while.

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:04.919
<v Speaker 1>Let us know. Let us know how you guys feel

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 1>about that, because that could either be incredibly tiresome er

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 1>really fun and I'm not entirely sure which one. If

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:11.479
<v Speaker 1>you guys, If you guys do think that that would

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>be a fun idea, let us know, and I go

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 1>ahead and propose it depended. Stay could be the first

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<v Speaker 1>film that we tackle and that does it for that

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