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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Bobby here. The c m AS are

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Speaker 1: happening this week. It's Country Music's biggest award night, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to share an episode that we did back

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Speaker 1: September with Robert Deaton. Now you may not know the name,

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Speaker 1: AS the Awards show. So he talked about all the

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Speaker 1: because I always wondered how in the world does an

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Speaker 1: award show get put together like he? He picks it all.

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Speaker 1: He talks about how he was the one who put

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Speaker 1: Timberland Chris Stapleton that was on his watch. He also

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Speaker 1: talked about how he produced over four hundred music videos

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Speaker 1: I thought this would be a fun one to share. Uh,

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Speaker 1: be sure to check out the Morgan wall On episode.

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Speaker 1: We did that one last, but this is from Back

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Speaker 1: in the Day Crazy. The Back in the Day was

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Speaker 1: episode eighty one, but Robert Deaton, the c m A producer.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to watch the show on Wednesday night. If

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Speaker 1: it's already passed Wednesday, how you missed it? But all good?

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Speaker 1: All enjoy. I welcome to episode one. So I guess

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Speaker 1: it's Robert Deaton, big time TV producer. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: done so much. I don't even want to call you.

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Speaker 1: What do you call yourself? When is what do you

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Speaker 1: do for a living? I am in the entertainment business,

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Speaker 1: but that's what you say. I guess, so does that

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Speaker 1: do so many different things? Yeah? That's why I was like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what do I even call Robert? So

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Speaker 1: um because I want to talk about a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But like, you produce the c m A s, the

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Speaker 1: CMA Country Christmas, the Billboard Awards, the c m A,

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Speaker 1: the big show outside the c m A Festival. I've

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Speaker 1: done like hunt tons of music videos. I did The

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Speaker 1: Passion with Tyler Perry. You did that? I did that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That was that was in the last five years. That

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Speaker 1: interesting to you because when I was growing up in Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: like I went to watch the Passion play and in

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Speaker 1: big deal to watch the Passion play. And people travel

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Speaker 1: And I remember whenever you guys, and it wasn't exactly

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it's about. Like there's some weird

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Speaker 1: pressure to that, right, Yeah, you don't you know, the

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Speaker 1: let Jesus down. Did it rain or something crazy? Like?

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Speaker 1: It rained every day during rehearsal when we rehearsed Trish Yearwood,

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Speaker 1: It was completely raining. We never did one rehearsal. Uh,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Tyler Perry, the man can throw

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Speaker 1: and he would. It was like, I wish I had

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Speaker 1: He's just he's he's awesome. He's awesome. So as a producer,

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Speaker 1: what does a producer do? Because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: So like if we were to go talk to explain it,

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Speaker 1: Um So yeah, everything goes through me, every creative decision.

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if there's a risk or not.

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Speaker 1: But I was watching the s c M a UM

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Speaker 1: Festival special and to me, I thought Brothers Osborne stole

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Speaker 1: and again I've put things again just because it's it's

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Speaker 1: I can react off of is what I hear, you know,

425
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Speaker 1: on television, because what and also by the way, I'm

426
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm backstage, right behind the stage, so there's so many

427
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: things going on. I think that, Um, there's been some

428
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's been things where I thought, oh, you know,

429
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure or maybe going after people. Did you

430
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: ever think about that, like maybe we shouldn't go after

431
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: the situation. Well, here's the thing that we try to do.

432
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: We try, you know. We we hope that we're not

433
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: hurting anybody's feelings that they are that for example, Blake

434
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: is always a great sport. Tim and Faith, they're like

435
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: they love it. The first couple of years, I will

436
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. Well, especially three four five, we

437
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: we had to stop doing the monologue and dress rehearsal

438
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: because I would get back. We do the dress rehearsal

439
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: the day of show, I get back to my office

440
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: and there be ten managers. You can't say that about them.

441
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: You can't say that you know, it's like really that

442
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: it's funny, you know what, And they would want me

443
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: to take it out of the opening monologue, like not

444
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, this is this is what we're doing.

445
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: And so we stopped doing We don't do a rehearsal anymore. Uh.

446
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: The first time that Brad and Carey do it on

447
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: stage is the first time that they is. You see

448
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: it on network television. And now I will tell you

449
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: this that. Uh. So there's there have been a few

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: things where things took off, like, for example, well that

451
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: we didn't intend, you know. For example, the year um

452
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Kerry said the line yeah, and I'm pretty sure that's

453
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: why the Democrats lost the Senate. It was whoa who

454
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, and we're like, really that was a that

455
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: was a throwaway line that was you know, we weren't

456
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: even thinking that that was even anything that anybody would

457
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: even think about. Uh. And then there was oh Obamacare

458
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: by morning, where it was like we got all this

459
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: the next day, like we can't believe you said this

460
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: stuff about the president and blah blah blah, and we're

461
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: like no, no, no no, no, we just were making fun

462
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: of a slow website. We never you know, so things

463
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: like that that take on its own life. You know.

464
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: It was that we're surprised sometimes about people interpret some

465
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: of that thing. Those things I always wonder, for example,

466
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: the Blake and Random thing was so big. It was

467
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: such a big thing, and they have two different personalities.

468
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: Haven't gotten to know them. Blake, we'll talk, Branda doesn't

469
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: want to, but it's almost like an elephant in the room.

470
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: How do you well, you know, how we did it.

471
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: We didn't address it with Miranda. That exactly how you

472
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: just described it was how we handled it because we

473
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: knew there was no way it would hurt Miranda's feelings,

474
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, and we wouldn't want to do that.

475
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just you know, we kind of

476
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: gave it to Blake a little bit, you know, um,

477
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: but not not much. You know. We just weren't going

478
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: to make a big that would have been wrong for

479
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: us to do, um, you know, especially something that was again,

480
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: we're not there to hurt anyboy's feelings, and that was

481
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: not the right time or the place. This m A

482
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: Awards and where the we feel like, you know, where

483
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: the oscars of country music and too to do something

484
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: that was you know, obviously painful for both of them.

485
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: Uh just wouldn't have been the right thing to do,

486
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: but it's And I'm fascinated with jokes because I'm a

487
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: writer and a joke teller. So I think we could

488
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: probably do two hours on just the philosophy of of

489
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: writing a monologue. But it was such the current event,

490
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: and not even because it was good, but it's what

491
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: everybody was talking about. And when you get up and

492
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: you have to talk about what everybody's talking about, it

493
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of puts you, guys in a bind because what

494
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: if you're saying what if saying nothing? Well, we talked

495
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: about if I remember correctly, we you know that we

496
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: talked about the breakup in the room, you know, and uh,

497
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: everybody knows what we're talking about. And just so the

498
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: misdirect is it was Kermit and MS Piggy, you know,

499
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: and then and everybody felt that got it was addressed

500
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: without it being addressed. Without it being addressed, I got

501
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: just some bloodz puckered like crazy, I mean out well,

502
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: and here's the thing. We just we felt like it

503
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: needed to be addressed, and we would but uh, and

504
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: then what we did was is there was a beat.

505
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, we showed Kermit ms Piggy out in the

506
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: audience and then uh, and then the next beat was Brad, So,

507
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: how's it going, Blake? You know, and we cut to

508
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: Blake and he laughs, you know, and so you know,

509
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: again that was a touchy situation for everyone, for everybody,

510
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: for me, and I wasn't having to do the national

511
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: TV show. You know, I had both people. One of

512
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: them wanted to come on the radio and talk all

513
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: about it, and one of them was like, I don't

514
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: want anybody talking about it. And the thing about it

515
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: is they're both great artists, uh, you know, and have

516
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: been very important to the c m A Awards and

517
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: country music and what they've done and individually, uh, what

518
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: they've done. Just you know, I just had Blake on

519
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: the telethon last week, you know, uh for Hand in

520
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: Hand where we raised money, raised what forty million dollars

521
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: And then when I left, it was only like ten

522
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: and I woke up the next morning. I was the

523
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: next day it was like forty was crazy. And then

524
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, Miranda has done so much with Mutt Nation

525
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: and it's like you just you can't you know what

526
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: that would have been another thing. Uh, as far as

527
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: writing the joke that would have been the easy way

528
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: is to The easy way would have been to go through,

529
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, to do something off color. But we're more

530
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: clever than that. I feel like we try to be

531
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: clever and we tried not to hurt anybody's feelings. So

532
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, to me, last year, the crazy part was

533
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: it was Game seven of the World Series of versus

534
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: the c m as. That was crazy first of all,

535
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: as like, I'm a die hard sports fan, I'm a

536
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: dire coach fan, and at when the couple on three one,

537
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: you had to be feeling pretty good that it wasn't

538
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna go game seven, right, Like you had to be

539
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good, correct, because that sports case scenario areo

540
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: that they come back and went three in a row. Yeah,

541
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: so game six, you gotta be like, come on, come on,

542
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Indian like you but you're the biggest Indian fan ever.

543
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Game six, Oh absolutely. I don't know. I was pulling

544
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: for the Cubs when it started. When it started, because

545
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: it was like no, then I had to switch. So yeah, yeah,

546
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: now that was it was um you know what. It

547
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: was demoralizing actually at first when we realized that they

548
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: were gonna Game seven it was terrible, but then you

549
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: know what, what am I gonna do? I mean I

550
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: stayed that way for like thirty minutes, and it was

551
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: like I still got a show to do, and you

552
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: know what, it's still going to live in the universe

553
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: forever and and so people are gonna be So it

554
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, We're just gonna do

555
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the best we can. We still retain ninety percent of

556
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: our ain't uh seven percent of our audience, which is

557
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: amazing considering that the Cubs don't once is Night and

558
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: even the less than casual sports fan wanted to flip

559
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: over and see. That's why it was such a good

560
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: number for you guys, because that was that was a

561
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: huge victory, well exactly, and just think of what our

562
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: number would have been headed. I mean, we were attaining

563
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: nineties seven percent of our audience, So what would the

564
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: number of band if we hadn't have been against Game seven?

565
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: So I wanted did they come to you? Because I

566
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: remember the next day looking at it, and frankly, I

567
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: was like, man, everybody because I did the right carpet

568
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: for television and my girlfriend played with Carry. Lindsay l

569
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: played guitar for Carry that night, and so I was

570
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: told I was torn. I was like, oh, so I

571
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: watched and then I had to kind of diary Cubs fan,

572
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: and so I did. I was back if I went,

573
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: and then I came back and then I flipped and

574
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: I did it all back and forth, and I was like,

575
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I wonder. The next day woke up, I was like,

576
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I wonder what the rating is for the for your

577
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Award show? And I was like, wow. Honestly, I was

578
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: a little blown away that it was that high. Not

579
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: because the show wasn't good because I let the show.

580
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: It was fantastic, but that that's a that was a

581
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime sporting event and it's still did

582
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: so well. So does ABC go, hey man, great freaking job,

583
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Like even like they had to write they did, Yes,

584
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: they did. They were they were ecstatic, Like what a victory,

585
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: even though, like you said, you retained almost all the

586
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: year before. But who what thought you go up against

587
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: the one time in baseball in our whole the biggest

588
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: baseball game of our entire life. Yeah, you're up against Yes,

589
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Congratulations because that's a win. It is a win,

590
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: and I was very proud of the show. But you

591
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: know and you know what, do you know what? Um? Again,

592
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: the rating is important, it's the it is the important thing. Um.

593
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: But the other thing is for our our artist in

594
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: our genre and any show that I'm doing, And again

595
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: it is where it also lives in the universe. Think

596
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: about the uh, justin Timberlake Chris Stapleton moment. I mean

597
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: that following week it had been viewed by over twenty

598
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: million people. That's in addition to our audience that's watching

599
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: it live on television. So people are just like late

600
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: night television. You know, people are finding these things or

601
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: finding the performances, or finding the monologue or finding all

602
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: these all this content in different places. It's not the

603
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: same thing as it was five years even five years ago.

604
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: I have you to think for a big part of

605
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: my career that that some things that I get to

606
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: do as far as breaking artists. So I'll set you

607
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: up with the story and then you'll see where you

608
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: come into play here. Uh it's been now. I don't

609
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: even know the timeline, but I ken't. There was this

610
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: artist that lived in towny is a songwriter, and I

611
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: kept bringing him in and nobody knew it was I

612
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: can't bring him in and you never a record out

613
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: or anything. I called him the first time ever called him.

614
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I called him my home heiess in the shower and

615
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: he was like, let me call you, let me go back.

616
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm wet in the shower. I'm like cool. So it

617
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: came up. Nobody knew it was blew the root roof off.

618
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Second time came up. No, I started getting in trouble

619
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: for bringing him in because my bosses who don't some

620
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: of them don't listen to the show because they're nash

621
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: or they're in New York or l A. And then okay,

622
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: people are reporting back that Bobby who has five million listeners,

623
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: So why is he playing this unknown artist on the

624
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: show that doesn't have any hits. So my direct boss said, hey,

625
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: what what are you playing this dude? I was like,

626
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: trust me, he's really good. And then thank you, Robert

627
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: Eaton Becauys you put Stapleton on with Justin Timberlake, and

628
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: it was it's that's the I think it's the biggest

629
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: moment in the in the last five years of the CMA.

630
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest moment that And I don't

631
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: know how you because I want to ask what that

632
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: what went into that decision, but you made me look brilliant,

633
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: like you putting that and creating that. That's what made

634
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: Stapleton what he is. The people he already was awesome,

635
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: people just hadn't. He would come to my studio pe

636
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: blow on a way, I'd be like, how is this

637
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: guy not something? But you're the one who put him on.

638
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: And because of you, I get to break artists like

639
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: crazy now, like my companies like you know what, I

640
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: quit you just do you. And because you put those

641
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: two together, they finally gave me the you go ahead, Okay,

642
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: well we'll leave you alone. So I gotta know, first

643
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: of all, thank you very much for that. Secondly, how

644
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: did that come together? Well? I had been already in

645
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: touch with Justin for several years and trying to figure

646
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: out a way to get him on the show. We

647
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: were close one year, we thought we were going to

648
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: do a remote from I think he was in New Jersey. Uh,

649
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: And then you know what, his manager call and said, listen,

650
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: he he definitely wants to do the c m A

651
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Awards one day, but he wants when he does them,

652
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: he wants to do him in the room. He wants

653
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: to be there I'm like, I totally get it. You

654
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: know what, he should be here because this is a

655
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: great room. You know. It's like if if you're an

656
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: artist and you haven't done the the c m A Awards,

657
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: it's like I have people out a genre all the

658
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: time going. I had the best time. It was awesome.

659
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: I loved the people that there's writers and you know,

660
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: it's just great. So uh, I've I've found out through

661
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: Christapleton's management that they were friends that and uh and

662
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: and so I reached out and Chris reached out, but

663
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: we both reached out. When you got the yeah he'll

664
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: do it, it was on the phone with Justin. Yeah,

665
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: so this is what happened. So how much? So the

666
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: questions are from Justin, well, how much time do we have?

667
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: And I said, as much as you want. You know,

668
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: it's like, because well, first of all, let me back

669
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: up this one bit. My son. You know, he was

670
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: I guess junior in high school at the time. Like

671
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew Christapleton's record backwards and forwards, like

672
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: every note because my son was such a huge fan

673
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: from the day the record came out. So I am

674
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: constantly hearing this record, right Traveler and it's a great record. Uh.

675
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: And so I knew everything about the record. Uh. And

676
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: then he comes out with all these nominations. That was

677
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: That was I will tell you that was a surprise.

678
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: He's so beloved in the industry that a lot of

679
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: people in Nashville are like, this is the underdog guy

680
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: who's so good, that's unknown, we're voting for him. Correct. Yeah,

681
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: So he gets all the nominations and you go, okay,

682
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: all right. So then we reach out to Chris. So

683
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: then we have a telephone call. It's myself, Chris Stapleton,

684
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake and management. So the questions are again, how

685
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: much time do we have? It's like how much do

686
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: you want? You can have whatever you want this this

687
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be great. And then the other question was

688
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: where are we going to be in the show? And

689
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I said, you know where you you know for most

690
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: people don't know. But the highest rated show, the highest

691
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: rated points of a television show are crossing the hours.

692
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Joe I was like, let's cross the first hour, I said,

693
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: And then I said, are those the right answers? And

694
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: Justin started laughing and Chris and Justin's like, yeah, those

695
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: are the right answers. So then you have to decide

696
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: what to do. Now who gets because it was drinking

697
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: away and it was um the David Awa Cooke stable

698
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: and cover. Yes, um, help me out, myke d what's

699
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: the how do how do you guys decide on the song?

700
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Tennessee was Hensey whiskey? Thank you very much. So they

701
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: decided on that. So they and they come to you

702
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: and say, hey, this will be like to this is

703
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: what we like to do. I say, of course you got,

704
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: of course you know, this is what we want to do.

705
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: And it But I'll tell you what was interesting though,

706
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: because you know, you know, uh, as far as the

707
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: look is concerned, you know a lot of artists, like

708
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: justin timber Lake, they bring in you know, tons of

709
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: people for Los Angeles or whatever, and uh, we got

710
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: on the phone and we're like, this is what we all,

711
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: the three of us to kind of decided what we

712
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: thought it ought to look like. And uh and then

713
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: we just did it. Did you feel like it was

714
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: special the first time they did it together on stage?

715
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: I did. I thought it was really great. Okay, there's

716
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: a lot of but I did not. Yes, I thought

717
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: it was great. I did not. I did not know that.

718
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: So we did the rehearsal. It's it's great, Okay, it's

719
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: obviously going to be a moment. Justin came up to

720
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: me at the producer's table and said, don't worry about it.

721
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: I'll really bring it up tonight. I was like, at

722
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, okay, great, thanks. You know, I'm like,

723
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm already onto the next rehearsal. You know what I'm saying.

724
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: It's like And it was very polite of him to

725
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: do that and very professional. Um, but yeah, but they

726
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: brought it up. Did you know it was the thing

727
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: when it was happening last when it was live? Yes,

728
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: I did know it was you could see even backstage,

729
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: you could feel the room changing. Uh. And then what

730
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: we also started doing was seeing the reaction of every

731
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: of the audience. I mean you can for me, it

732
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: was mind blind. It was crazy. I was like, this

733
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing I've seen, this mix of all

734
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: of it. I just started telling the camera guys, start

735
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: shooting the audience, you know, because that was also the story.

736
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: Like you, I mean, you cut to anybody, you cut

737
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: to any artist, and you can it's it's there's no

738
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: It was genuine, genuine love, genuine genuine all. You know.

739
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: I think there was all for justin Timberlake and going,

740
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's justin timber Lake. And I think

741
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: there was love for Chris Stapleton and a holy crap,

742
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: like how have we not known this guy until right now? Right? Well,

743
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: you know what it is a perfect storm too, right,

744
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: because it's like, okay, So we made sure that we

745
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: mentioned Chris Stapleton in the opening monologue because we felt

746
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: like it was important. I didn't know he's gonna win

747
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: any awards, but we we were like Brad and Iron Carreer, like, hey,

748
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: we need to mention this guy. This is one of

749
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: the greatest singers ever to be in the format. Let's

750
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: make sure that he gets some notice, you know. So

751
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: we thought, let's take care of that in the opening monologue,

752
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: and we did. Brad says, you know, Chris Stapleton, one

753
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: of the greatest singers it's ever been in the format.

754
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: Well then he wins and wins and wins, and then

755
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: the performance it's like it he was trending worldwide, you know,

756
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter Chris Stapleton. It was like who is Chris Stapleton?

757
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: And the winds would have been a big deal. But

758
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if you in your heart feel this way.

759
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: But had you not created that scenario and that performance,

760
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: the Chris Stapleton world that we live in now, where

761
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: he's a door because he deserves to be a door,

762
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have happened. Well, I don't.

763
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't say that, but I'm saying it though.

764
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, I think you created the environment. And

765
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: it's all like for me. I've had people do it

766
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: for me. I've had people that said, hey, I believe

767
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: in you're putting you here. I'm believing you're putting your

768
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: here like I think that you're putting Stapleton and creating

769
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: that environment is what has allowed Traveler to be hurt.

770
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: It was made wonderfully. That product is going to be fantastic,

771
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: regardless of There's so many things we don't get to

772
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: hear though, because we're not exposed to it, Like you

773
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: exposed Chris Stapleton to the freaking world. Well, I I

774
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: will say, I am really proud of that moment. I

775
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: was in l I was in Los Angeles at the

776
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: Soho House, the restaurant, it was there were like twelve

777
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: people at the table. I was the only person and

778
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: they had anything to do with country music, and uh.

779
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: They started talking about great performances and awards shows history,

780
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: not the same awards, all award shows. So they asked

781
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: me mine, mine. One of mine is Prince and Beyonce

782
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: opening the Grammys. I was there incredible. Uh, And it

783
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: was funny because four of the people were like, my

784
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: favorite moment is the Chris Stapleton justin timber Lange. They

785
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: didn't even know that I had produced it. I was like,

786
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, I raised my hand, that's mine. You're talking

787
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: about other performances that because you produced the Billboard Awards too,

788
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: and the Florida Georgia line John Legend performance when when

789
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: they crossed over. Tell me how, Tell me how that?

790
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: Because I I thought that was awesome too. I love

791
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: the fact that Legend played Holy Yeah. And I know

792
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: John a bit and to go to how did that

793
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: come apart? And how receptive was he to doing that? Well?

794
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: He was really, John was really receptive because we're good friends.

795
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but I did

796
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: a I did a one season of a show called Duets.

797
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: It was on ABC. It was John Legend, Robin Thicke,

798
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Jennifer Nettles, and Kelly Clarkson. So John and I became

799
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: really good friends. And since we did duets, I called John.

800
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, come do the Christmas show. I

801
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: know you don't have any Christmas music, but you know,

802
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: come in into the cm A Country Christmas show. So

803
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: he did, and we've worked together again, uh on the

804
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Billboard Awards and we're stay in contact, and you know,

805
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: literally he went he won the Oscar. I texted him

806
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: and he responded like ten minutes later. I was like,

807
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: that's cool. You know, it's like you just won an Oscar,

808
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: and he's I thought maybe in a couple of days

809
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: I might hear from him. But he is one of

810
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: the most unique talented intellectual He's just a really good

811
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: human being. And I had and and he loves country music.

812
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: By the way, he's friends with Faith and Tim. Uh.

813
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: I knew that he had been in Nashville writing before

814
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: and and so I so a guy named Mark Schimmel,

815
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: and I came up with this idea and I just

816
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: called John and he got out of Uh. He actually

817
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: changed the date to come and be a part of it.

818
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: So when they do the rehearsal I had written out,

819
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, different parts like the arrangement, you know, I'd like.

820
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: So he was like when we got there and we

821
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: were doing the rehearsal, um, they were each doing their

822
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: own song. And I was like, well, that doesn't work.

823
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: It's like, why are we doing this then? If you know? So?

824
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: I asked John. I said, John, I you know what,

825
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: this doesn't work unless you sing part of Holy. And

826
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: John's like, well, I'm alright with it if the guys are.

827
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: So the guys were around the corner for another rehearsal

828
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: around the other side of the set. So this was

829
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: so great and this is what's great about working with

830
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: musicians and great people. And so I went over to

831
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: the Florida Georgia line guys and I was like, hey, guys,

832
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: this doesn't work unless John sings part of Holy. And

833
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: they looked at me and they were like, oh my god,

834
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: do you think he would? And I'm like, no, he will.

835
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: I just talked to him and they're like, really, he

836
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: could sing the whole thing if we if he wanted to.

837
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: They were like, oh my gosh, you're kidding me. John

838
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: Legend's gonna sing our song, and I'm like, now, he

839
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: didn't need to sing the whole thing, but he's just

840
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: gotta be able that way the performance works. So they

841
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: were like thrilled that he would even consider doing it,

842
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: and so I thought it would really worked. I thought

843
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: I was really proud of that moment. And Chrissy hosted right,

844
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: she coach did the year before the year before, so

845
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: I know then. I love her too. By the way,

846
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: so how I know them is one of my best friends,

847
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Andy Roddick is wats Brooklyn Decker, and Brooklyn and Chrissie

848
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: are really tied, okay, So I would know them through

849
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: hanging out all together. And Chris is awesome. Yes, she's awesome.

850
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: And now, yeah, I knew Crizzy before she became Crissy

851
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Teague and you know she was she was still don't

852
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: get me wrong, she was still an s I swimsuit model,

853
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: so it was like nothing to go should But before

854
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: she was like the super influencer and became super famous. Well,

855
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know. You know, this is sometimes my my

856
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: head's in the ground. But when I met her, I

857
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know any of that. She was

858
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: just John's girlfriend. We would go over like he would

859
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: have like cookouts and stuff while we were doing duets,

860
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: and so we would go over and have food and

861
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: hang out, and I just I didn't know, but and

862
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: that's how we became friends. And I was so thrilled

863
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: when she I did the Billboards with us because it

864
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: was just, you know, it was great just to be

865
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: with her. And then she got pregnant and coutt't do

866
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: the next year or so. I was like, why, Yeah,

867
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, that's why she couldn't do it. So

868
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: you're you're background televisions. I mean, man, it's long since

869
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: you've been having memories. You've had memories of television and music.

870
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: It's like they're both your thing, which works perfectly with

871
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: a lot of what you do. But even like I

872
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: guess before we can go back to your childhood, Like

873
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: you've done a lot of music videos. Yes, like that,

874
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: a lot of music videos, Like we don't do any

875
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: anymore though, but looking back, like you do some flat

876
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: you did, some Flats I did, like I would say

877
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: the majority of all the Rascal Flats music videos I did,

878
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: save a Horse Ride a Cowboy by Big and Rich,

879
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: Independence Day by Martina Believe by Independence Day let's hold

880
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: on that one for a second, Like that was a

881
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: big video video, Like the video was vivid to me,

882
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: Like the song was a big deal for me listening

883
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: to the radio, Like Independence Day that was a big

884
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: deal for me. But I remember the video at a

885
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: time when videos were starting to not be as video

886
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: e if that makes sense, Like they were videos were

887
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: such a big deal, but Independence they cut through the

888
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: time for me whenever I was kind of getting off

889
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: the video thing. But it's I can still vividly see

890
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: it when I can't think of any more videos around

891
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, it's interesting how that whole thing, you know,

892
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: we we made that wasn't a number one record either,

893
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: by the way, that was I think really maybe maybe

894
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: top ten maybe. Uh it's the first time and about

895
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: the only time when I heard a record and I

896
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: called the label and asked to do the video. So

897
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: you actually pursued the video because you thought you were

898
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: that passionate about it. And I hadn't heard. I didn't

899
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: know Martina, and we had never worked. I had never

900
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: worked with her, you know. Uh my business partner George Flanning,

901
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: and I didn't know. We didn't know Martina, and uh

902
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: I called because I thought the song was just so

903
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: powerful and something that needed to be said. So I

904
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: wrote the idea, we sent it to Martina, talked to

905
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: her on the phone for about an hour. She still

906
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: couldn't decide whether we were doing or not, so then

907
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: she wanted to meet me. So I went down and

908
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: we met with her for like an hour and a half.

909
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,959
Speaker 1: It was like therapy, crazy talking about everything, and I said,

910
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: at the end of it, I was like, what's so.

911
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I had to get the gig and do

912
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: we do we get to do this and she's like, yeah,

913
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: so that's so we did it. And you know, um

914
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: it was at the time, you know of the o J,

915
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: the whole o J thing going on, and so there

916
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of So what happened was is like

917
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: we had released the video and there wasn't much. It

918
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: was quiet actually at first, and then uh USA Today

919
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: did a story on it because of domestic abuse and

920
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: everything and reporting of what's what was going on in

921
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: the world at the time. And then once they did that,

922
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: did a story on it, front page story on it.

923
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: Then the song and and then in the video took off.

924
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: So it's too bad we had to have videos like that,

925
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: but hopefully that it contributed to uh to somebody or

926
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: help somebody somewhere, I hope. Do you remember the last

927
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: video you made before you start making easy videos? I

928
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: think I I'm pretty sure it was reminded me by

929
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: by Brad and Carry because what happened was is I

930
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: was really uh slowing that down and really uh getting

931
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: out of it and uh and it and Brad and

932
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Carry had done this song together and it was they

933
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: were like, you have to do this because you worked

934
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: with Brad and you work with me, so you know,

935
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: so it was like that made sense to do. So

936
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: here's the funny ones. How so we shoot that opening

937
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: sequence of Carrie walking towards the camera, you know, and

938
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: it's Carrie Underwood. She looks pretty good, right. Brad's looking

939
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: at the cameras like, oh man, this is not going

940
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: to be good for me. I'm like, no, nobody's gonna

941
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: pay attention to you first. Oh yeah, He's like this

942
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: is not gonna be good for me. No really, I

943
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: started laughing. He's like, no, no, really this is And

944
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, right, as soon as you got Carry

945
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: under one in this video, noways paying attention to you. Pal.

946
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: So so as a kid, who did you look at

947
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: on TV and go, man, that would be awesome. I

948
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: could be like that. You know, I've always thought that

949
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: it would be great two create these things. So you

950
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: were even in your mind as yeah, you weren't the

951
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: guy because for me, I like at David Letterman was

952
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: my hero because he looked funny and I looked funny

953
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: and he was said weird things and I was the

954
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: weird kid. Yeah, so I saw him as me. You

955
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: saw I want to make David Letterman happen. I want

956
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: to be the guy because I was always in a

957
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: TV station. She saw it when I was little, so

958
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: I would see the director of working and you know,

959
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: and it was funny because my dad was on air

960
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: talent he was you know. But I just never you know,

961
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: I always like I just like the movies I love, like,

962
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: for example, White Christmas. I gotta watch that movie every year.

963
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: And it's when I was little because it was behind

964
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: the scenes. You know. I loved all that behind the

965
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: scenes of the trunks and the clothes and the changing

966
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know, you are you familiar with the movie,

967
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: so yeah, I love that, you know, all that stuff.

968
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: So I um and then you know, before my dad

969
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: was a TV station, it was a radio station. So

970
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: he would bring home the forty five and I love

971
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: my forty five. I love the the I love the

972
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: the the actual seeing the logos of the record labels

973
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: and all the different labels. You know, that was my collection.

974
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: He would bring home records and or or I would

975
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: go like he'd do remotes, you know, and I was

976
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: like six five six years old, and he would do

977
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: remote it like you know, hardware store or whatever, you know,

978
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: local thing, and you know, he would do an interview

979
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: with someone like on the street or something, and I'd

980
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: get and he would point at me when to push

981
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: the button to play the record. So you were basically

982
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: the producer engineer exactly. So he pointed to me and

983
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: I pushed the record to me. That was magic. I

984
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: love that, I said, I love everything about entertainment. Did

985
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: he want you to pursue a career in entertainment? Knowing

986
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: the entertainment sucks and it's awesome, but sucks a lot

987
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: more than it's awesome, Like it takes a special breed

988
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: to fail a lot, and that's what we have to

989
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: do in order to succeed. The entertainment. You have to fail.

990
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: You have to be okay with failing a lot. How

991
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: did he approach you? Well, you know, so honestly, that

992
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: part of my life was young, you know, when I

993
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: was around the TV station and that, and then when

994
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: I got into my teenage years, Honestly, I didn't say

995
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: him much. You know, he had a he had started

996
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: a band, and we're being honest and real here, so

997
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, I he was on the road and it

998
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: wasn't around, you know, and so I, uh, you know,

999
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: there wasn't at that point much guidance, you know. So

1000
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, all the women in my life, my grandmother

1001
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: and my mom, they were That's why to this day,

1002
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: I you know, I love strong women, you know, like

1003
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Martina may Bride and Carrie Underwood and uh So at

1004
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: the time, as a kid, you know, I was always

1005
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: I was rushing to get out. You know. It was

1006
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: like school in high school. I think if I'd go back,

1007
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: if I went back, I would rather maybe take a

1008
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: little bit more time and enjoy where I was. But

1009
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: I was. I was ready to leave. I wanted to

1010
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: be in this business so bad, in film television, but

1011
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: now there wasn't that much Honestly, there wasn't that much

1012
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: guidance at a certain point, and it was pretty painful there.

1013
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, I spent spent a lot of time with therapy, uh,

1014
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: not having like I don't have a dad at all

1015
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: growing up, and you know, my mom had a lot

1016
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: of issues. But for me, you know, I was always

1017
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: chasing the Hey, you did a good job. Do you

1018
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: feel like definitely why because you you wanted his approval?

1019
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: Because as you're saying those words, I'm like, I know

1020
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: that exactly, feeling like I know exactly what you're saying

1021
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: right now because that's how I felt my whole life. Absolutely,

1022
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: I think, uh, definitely want approval um. And I think

1023
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: that that absence of that, you know, growing up and

1024
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: not having not having him, like here's the thing being

1025
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: so close and so connected and then and then like

1026
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: the door shut and it's like then not it was like,

1027
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we did everything together, horseback riding, I was

1028
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: part of the TV show. I was always around the

1029
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: TV station and then all of a sudden, eleven years old, nothing,

1030
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think you're right. I mean,

1031
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: I think I am definitely that way, but I think

1032
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: it serves me in a in a really good way.

1033
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I think that. You know, it's there's

1034
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: nothing more important to me than to getting the performance

1035
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: right and getting making sure that they're happy, making sure

1036
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: that the artist and the music is is right. So

1037
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: I think there is that wanting to make people happy,

1038
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: that's part of it. But you know what, I think

1039
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: that's what partly makes me successful. I might have been different.

1040
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: I know me, like it's always been a that's where

1041
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: I searched for love is going. We are getting deep

1042
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: here like I would be in my therapis like this

1043
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: is where this is where you go out to search

1044
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: for love. Is You're going to a crowd, You're going

1045
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: to do stand up, You're going to do for you

1046
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: to play, you get on the radio and tell your stories,

1047
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: you do your television show, and you this is your

1048
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: search for love because you never got it as a kid.

1049
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: My grandma, you know, raised me, adopted me. You know,

1050
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: my mom was there on and off. You know, she

1051
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: died in her forties. I never had a dad until

1052
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: so it was just like that was my place that

1053
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: I as. At the same time, I'm trying to piss

1054
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: everybody off by being successful, Like I'll show you you

1055
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Speaker 1: want to, don't support for me, I'll just go make

1056
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: it myself and I'll show you exactly what you kind

1057
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: of missed out on. But my approval was always trying

1058
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: to find love from and still is what I'm not

1059
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: talking about. Was like, that's still why I'm psychotic. I'm

1060
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: trying to find love from this other place because I

1061
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: never got what I've learned is we all nobody's whole

1062
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: like that. I haven't met one person that we really

1063
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to them. They're like, I'm just good.

1064
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: I used to think that I was just like a victim.

1065
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: I just think man in my life, but I think,

1066
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: as you said, it's made me stronger. And I didn't

1067
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: ted talk where I was like, you know, for a

1068
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: long time in my life, I was like, it really

1069
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: sucks how I grew up. I was a food stamp kid.

1070
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: I was a kid that had really bad teeth, that

1071
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: was a poor kid. He couldn't But that's what made

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00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: me stronger. Like I used that now and like I'm

1073
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: a fighter and I'm a grinder because of all of

1074
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: that time where at like I'm conditioned now too. I'm

1075
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: gonna work harder than anybody and this is how I

1076
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: naturally work because I had to. And then well, I agree,

1077
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's what something that you said about I'll

1078
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: show you. I've had that every single day in my life.

1079
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: It's like, there's no doubt about it. I'm gonna show you.

1080
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna here's the thing I tell people in classes

1081
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: or you know, there's a lot of talented people out there,

1082
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: they're sleeping like yeah, it's like that there. You gotta

1083
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: get out, you gotta get you know, every day I'm

1084
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: ready to compete. Uh. And that's but you know, and

1085
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do to be successful. But it

1086
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: is a part of I'll show you. It's a part

1087
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: it's really funny, it's I will show you and it's

1088
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: part um you know, serving people are wanting to do

1089
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: good by people and wanting to people people to go, oh,

1090
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: you did a good job, you know, And it is

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01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: that I would say those years, those formative years, definitely

1092
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: plays into I will tell you the truth four years ago.

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01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: If we had done this interview three years ago, I

1094
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: would have never mentioned that to you. I would have

1095
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: never said it. What was to break through a point

1096
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: in your life where you're like, I feel like I

1097
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: could talk about this because I've had those. Yeah, where

1098
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: was it? Where was it in your life that you

1099
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: hit where You're like, I'm now okay with that. I

1100
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: think that Uh. I think it's a conversation that uh

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01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: I had. I was married once before, I went through

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01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: a divorce, um, and that is painful. It was also

1103
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: another situation where I don't think I, at least I

1104
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: perceived never accepted by her father. So that was another

1105
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: and I'll show you yeah. Uh, but I think it

1106
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: was my mike. You know, I started, I got remarried,

1107
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: and I was dating uh my who is now my wife,

1108
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: and we were in a conversation and uh she said,

1109
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on a second, wait a minute. You know,

1110
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: you're not like everybody else, right, And I'm like, what

1111
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: She's like, You're not like, you're not like everybody else,

1112
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: You're different, You're special. And she has made me believe that.

1113
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: So I think she's the reason why I can tell

1114
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: you that today, or tell that story, or go back

1115
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: into something in my past that was painful. And now

1116
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: you have a son that plays the crap out of

1117
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: an instrument. Yes, I mean he he beats those things

1118
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: he does, so he's a heck of a drummer. So

1119
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: now you have a son and he's drumming, like like

1120
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: he's fantastic. Yeah, he's really a good drummer. Like what

1121
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: do you tell him? Because it's it's a cycle, like,

1122
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: are you're able to see? The cool thing is you

1123
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: can see the cycle, so you can break the cycle.

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01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: That's the wother thing about the cycles. If you don't

1125
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: see it, you can't break it. I told him, Uh,

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: he asked me when he was eleven years old, do

1127
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: you think I could be a professional drummer? And you know,

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01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: and he's still you know, struggling, He's had to development deals.

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01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, Um, I said, you know what,

1130
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: then go for it. Don't worry about a backup. Don't

1131
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: do a backup. Don't have a backup plan. Because you

1132
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: have a backup plane, you'll use it. You'll use it absolutely.

1133
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: That's I've had other parents that they literally think I'm crazy,

1134
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: just think I'm crazy, But well you are. But it

1135
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: takes crazy to be great, Like it takes crazy to

1136
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: be great. That's exactly right. I'll go I'll go speak

1137
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know the same thing. I'll go talk to

1138
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: these classes and I'll do a ted talk, I'll do it.

1139
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: And it's like, hey, plan A is what you're dreaming.

1140
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: Is a Plan B is go back to Plan A.

1141
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're just gonna go and work your your cousin's

1142
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: accounting place because it's gonna be the easier thing to do. Yeah, exactly.

1143
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: And you have to be crazy. You have to be crazy.

1144
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: It is the thing about it is if if you

1145
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: could be happy doing something else, then you should do it,

1146
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: you know. But if I would not be happy, you know,

1147
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. I don't have

1148
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: any hobbies, by the way, this is it, you know.

1149
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't go play golf. I don't you know, you

1150
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: know what I love seeing my son played drums. I

1151
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: loved you know, seeing uh my daughters and film and television,

1152
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: and I love seeing what she's doing. And and then

1153
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: my son James was an athlete. I love being and

1154
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: seeing what they're doing and being involved in their life

1155
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: and and uh my wife is constantly you know, there's

1156
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: when I'm with her, there's no place I'd rather be,

1157
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, because she's like the most interesting person that

1158
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: I know and the kindest and so uh. But other

1159
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: than that, this is what I want to be doing.

1160
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: I want to be producing, directing. I want to do

1161
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: another film, I want I love my shows, I love

1162
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: the c m A Awards, I love the history. Um, yeah,

1163
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: this is what I want to be doing. Do you

1164
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: ever see step Brothers with I love that. I'll feel like,

1165
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: do we just become best friends? That kind of what

1166
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: I felt like that. I think we game best friends? Well, listen,

1167
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: we we We spent an hour talking. It feels it

1168
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: just flies by. But I felt like I went to

1169
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: a masterclass a little bit. Dang, I appreciate it. All

1170
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: the kids out there in there, you go call him

1171
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: a home, give yourself on over. Okay, so I'll say,

1172
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: because this thing lives forever. And uh, the c m

1173
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: as are coming up in November. People will be listening

1174
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: to this for a year or two years, but to

1175
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: come in November. Right now, what is the date for today?

1176
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: It is September of September. Um, So when you watch

1177
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: this year, Robert, we've producing everything that's going on in

1178
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: every decision that he's made. Because people wonder if they

1179
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: don't know, like they don't they just that weren't produces it.

1180
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: Nothink mus know what that means. And I don't say

1181
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: that in the negative way. I didn't until I got

1182
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: involved into the business in different ways. But that's the

1183
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: guy who or the girl, just the person who's controlling all,

1184
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,959
Speaker 1: all all, and that's you, the creator, the creator. Man.

1185
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what you got in store

1186
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: this year. And the I of the c m A especially,

1187
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: I thought the Brothers ally More moment was such a

1188
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: cool moment. Like I was watching in a hotel because

1189
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: I was on the road and I don't even go

1190
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: do my set until like nine thirty because of a

1191
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: couple of opening eggs and I we were watching Brothers

1192
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: Osborne and going, man, next time I see al Right,

1193
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: I tell him how great that I thought that was.

1194
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: It was, it was. It felt like a risky move

1195
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: that really paid off. Karen Fairchild texted me and she said, yeah,

1196
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: she just said, thank you for Brothers Osborne. That's that's

1197
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: that's all. She said, Yeah, I totally get it. Well,

1198
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Thank you very much. I

1199
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Robert Deaton and uh, I don't know if

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: the ad we promote you don't sell a product or anything.

1201
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: Episode eighty wanted the Bobby cast thank you, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time.