Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Car Stories with Sun.
Speaker 2: Kane and Amelia Hartford.
Speaker 1: So, Amelia, question for you, oh dear, when you go
Speaker 1: to a place like Starbucks or Baskin Robbins, right, and
Speaker 1: you pay with a credit card okay, and then they
Speaker 1: flipped the screen over to you and there's like.
Speaker 2: Tip, tip, always, always tip everything, Tip a lot.
Speaker 1: You've at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: I am so thankful to have an income and be
Speaker 2: in the position I am in, and I worked in
Speaker 2: food and service for so long in my life. Always tip.
Speaker 2: I'm a thirty percent or more person.
Speaker 1: But what if they didn't do anything?
Speaker 3: Tip? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in a better position there, and if I
Speaker 2: can help, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: God, you're so much better human being there.
Speaker 2: You don't like tipping?
Speaker 1: No, I love to tip, Like I worked in the
Speaker 1: service industry forever, so when I'm at a restaurant, like,
Speaker 1: I make sure that you know people are taken care of. Right. However,
Speaker 1: when I feel pressured, like you buy a bottle of
Speaker 1: water and it's like a dollar ninety nine and then
Speaker 1: there's a thirty percent tip option for that and they
Speaker 1: didn't It's not like, look, I'm about like being fair.
Speaker 1: It's like if you did something.
Speaker 2: So here, here's the thing. If they were to raise
Speaker 2: the minimum wage and pay people more, they're just gonna
Speaker 2: make the cost of goods more. So there's no they're
Speaker 2: not going to raise them in on wage. So I
Speaker 2: feel like we as people who are fortunate enough to
Speaker 2: be able to help someone else's income, that's our responsibility
Speaker 2: because the big business isn't going to do.
Speaker 1: Why don't they just raise the prices of the food then, like,
Speaker 1: I don't mind.
Speaker 2: They do, they will? They wild?
Speaker 1: Why do I have it?
Speaker 2: But not everyone can afford raising the prices of food.
Speaker 1: Starbucks can.
Speaker 2: People who are buying, Well, have you picked in and
Speaker 2: out now? Or double double?
Speaker 1: It's over ten dollars, So that's that's inflation, right, But
Speaker 1: they don't ask for a tip. How come in and
Speaker 1: out doesn't ask for a tip?
Speaker 2: Well, they pay their their people, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: So so but Starbucks cannot like Starbucks is.
Speaker 2: Way bigger, Well, they could and they I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: Starbucks will actually help pay for your college and give
Speaker 2: you health.
Speaker 1: Care for your college. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: When it comes to tipping, I'm just a tip always
Speaker 2: tip generously.
Speaker 1: Bad service, even.
Speaker 2: For bad service for twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bad service, bad food, and you'll still tip. Yeah, bad attitude.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're having a bad day.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I'm a tipper.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: The tipping thing is like very stressful for me.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't think about it. I'm in a
Speaker 2: position where I can help someone more than I need it,
Speaker 2: don't think about it. I tip.
Speaker 1: I went to the drive through with Teedji to go
Speaker 1: get them a pop cup and myself a drink, and
Speaker 1: they pull out the credit card thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: I tapped it and they had to tip. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we met eyes. It's just one. I was like,
Speaker 1: they're like, I know you, what do I tip? And
Speaker 1: I was trying to press like the one dollar thing
Speaker 1: all right, and then I dropped the credit card and
Speaker 1: there was like a whole fi. I had to move
Speaker 1: the car up and like come out of the car
Speaker 1: and she's just like I looked at her and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she's thinking.
Speaker 4: You cheap.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's only awkward because you make it awkward?
Speaker 1: They make it awkward. Why why is this? Like why
Speaker 1: is it that there's the thing is like at this
Speaker 1: place I've paid cash before and there's no tip jar.
Speaker 1: I've seen tip jars, well not at this place, so
Speaker 1: there's no tip jar. So I'm like, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: If I pay cash, you're not you're not asked to
Speaker 1: leave a tip. But then with the credit card it's
Speaker 1: like three dollars twenty five cents option for one thing. Anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: so all right, I'm not going to win this argument.
Speaker 1: There's no argument here. It's just it's not.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a perfect It's also a new.
Speaker 1: Thing because to Japan there's no tips.
Speaker 2: Right, there's not. They actually, in fact, they get insulted
Speaker 2: when you try to offer a tip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's something wrong with this tip culture.
Speaker 2: It's the cost of going out. It is what it is.
Speaker 2: If you don't like it, don't go there.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I can't control it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: When I get a Domino's pizza delivery, I tip huge
Speaker 1: because it's the best pizza. Well, all right, so speaking
Speaker 1: of best, our next guest old friend Johnny Lieberman, Yes,
Speaker 1: co host of The Inevitable with our one of our
Speaker 1: past guests, Ed Low, an old friend as well.
Speaker 2: Johnny holds a high level position within the motor tren
Speaker 2: family and very knowledgeable, knows a lot about cars, and
Speaker 2: we had a conversation that I wasn't expecting to have
Speaker 2: and he was a complete open book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool to be able to have car conversations
Speaker 1: about cool cars and racing and all that. But then
Speaker 1: you know, I have like a vulnerable like talk, right,
Speaker 1: and then be able to share things. I think probably
Speaker 1: most of the listeners wouldn't imagine, like you go through
Speaker 1: the war, I go through, he goes through, and then
Speaker 1: that they were all human.
Speaker 2: It's nice to be able to I always say, if
Speaker 2: I'm not learning something, I kind of don't get as
Speaker 2: interested in it. That's why I love cars. So I'm
Speaker 2: constantly learning, and I feel like these conversations we have
Speaker 2: with people, I'm constantly learning things, which I find a
Speaker 2: gift and so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, just like the gift of a Dumbinos pizza.
Speaker 1: All right, without further ado, it's you're a dog guy too, right,
Speaker 1: you have a dog, just one at the moment we've
Speaker 1: had a couple, had a coupling.
Speaker 2: They come and go, what kind of dog you have?
Speaker 4: Now, Mutt? She let me, is we.
Speaker 5: Saw her mom. Her mom is a Wiener dog. Dad
Speaker 5: is taller and fluffier, but no clue. We found her
Speaker 5: at the pound. Yeah, she's she's getting up there, but
Speaker 5: she's she's still pretty cute. Pretty stinky at this point,
Speaker 5: but pretty cute.
Speaker 1: It's hard when though they pass on.
Speaker 5: I mean we had what well, yeah, yes, yes, it's
Speaker 5: horrible when they passed. I've had I've had one almost
Speaker 5: killed me and another one was pretty sad. But yeah,
Speaker 5: actually I've had three. Yeah, it sucks. It's one of
Speaker 5: the worst things. Yeah, I went there next to a
Speaker 5: person dying.
Speaker 1: It is it's like a child like dying. When my
Speaker 1: previous dog, we had actually three, we had two chowchows.
Speaker 1: One was really connected to my wife, Simba. The female
Speaker 1: was like really attached to me. Yeah, and went and
Speaker 1: and we had a Maltese that Simba actually killed Jesus.
Speaker 4: But that's horrible.
Speaker 1: But but Simba waited for me to come back from
Speaker 1: Germany like I was working. I came back, I come
Speaker 1: into the house. She jumps to give me a kiss,
Speaker 1: and then she lays down and then and then I
Speaker 1: took her to the vet and then Bet said, you
Speaker 1: have to go get an MRI because there's something wrong
Speaker 1: with her. But she was like thirteen already, right. And
Speaker 1: then it was like during the pink Berry kind of craze,
Speaker 1: Remember pink Berry the yogurt place. It was like dead
Speaker 1: summer and I was like driving to the MRI place
Speaker 1: and Simba was in the back seat and she started, like,
Speaker 1: you know, breathing hard. So I pulled over and I
Speaker 1: took her out of the car and she just passed
Speaker 1: away in my arm and I started. It was like
Speaker 1: out of a movie. I was like crying and like
Speaker 1: yelling at God, and snot was coming down my nose
Speaker 1: and I'm like ah. And then I look up and
Speaker 1: all these kids are eating their pink berry going like.
Speaker 6: This man was holding this dead dog, Like I look
Speaker 6: up and all, okay, I think we'll wrap this up
Speaker 6: real quick. Yeah it's horrible. Yeah, I could have do
Speaker 6: another dog forever.
Speaker 2: This is a great way to start a podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but it's also you know, and then
Speaker 1: when we got Tedgi, if a dog's life span is
Speaker 1: like ten to thirteen years, thirteen is like.
Speaker 5: That depends if little dogs live longer's that's you know,
Speaker 5: so a little dog in fifteen years can be pretty normal.
Speaker 2: Big dogs live like eight years eight ten.
Speaker 4: It depends on the size.
Speaker 1: That's like that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah right, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: He's already four. So he reminds me of knife is short, right,
Speaker 1: and go for some cuddles and kisses right as much
Speaker 1: as you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, well said bring it in after the show.
Speaker 1: Well, Johnny, thank.
Speaker 2: You so much, thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 4: This is so cool.
Speaker 5: This is I mean again good to run into you
Speaker 5: at the best green barbecue in La.
Speaker 1: Yes, parks barbecue.
Speaker 2: Starting each other parks.
Speaker 1: You know parks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love parks.
Speaker 1: You love parks? Do you love parks?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So we have a mutual friend Saying Saying.
Speaker 1: Saying is a restaurant or he owns Father's office. He's
Speaker 1: a big car guy. He's been on your show, a huge,
Speaker 1: huge car like official.
Speaker 5: So funny story. So say Father's office. It's actually the
Speaker 5: one in Santa Monica is now I think twenty four years.
Speaker 4: Old as of last week.
Speaker 5: So I used to be really into homebrewing and I
Speaker 5: was in this beer club and we had our meeting there.
Speaker 5: This is back in like two thousand and one, and
Speaker 5: he had the best beer at the time, you couldn't
Speaker 5: find good beer anywhere, just didn't exist in restaurants, and
Speaker 5: he had like Pliny the Elder on.
Speaker 2: Tap I love plenty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but again, this is twenty one years ago, twenty
Speaker 5: three years ago anyways, and I'm like who is this guy?
Speaker 4: Like who? And they're like, oh, I sang, but he's
Speaker 4: a real dick.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: Everyone likes me, and I remember I walk up, I
Speaker 4: like tap him on.
Speaker 5: The shoulder and I'm like, hey man, like you have
Speaker 5: the this is amazing, what a cool restaurant. And he
Speaker 5: literally just like looks at me and turns his back. Really,
Speaker 5: I say a word, just turns his back to me,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, fuck that guy. I don't know if
Speaker 5: we can swear on this fuckcast. Okay, great sucked this
Speaker 5: guy and I didn't. I had nothing to do with him.
Speaker 5: I stopped going to father's office. They got a good burger.
Speaker 5: I'm like, the owner's an asshole. And then on Instagram,
Speaker 5: I get a message like hey man, like we should
Speaker 5: hang out, you know, like you want to go to parks.
Speaker 4: And I showed up and I tell her that story
Speaker 4: and he's just like, yeah, this is like something.
Speaker 1: I do you think you think the connective tissue eventually
Speaker 1: was cars.
Speaker 4: Was saying one hundred percent, yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then it turned out that I have a big.
Speaker 5: Interest in food, and you know, he's mutual friends in
Speaker 5: the food world and the car world and everything. So
Speaker 5: but yeah, for sure, but that was that was what
Speaker 5: was so funny was so I was I was at
Speaker 5: parks with my son, my brother in law, and my nephew,
Speaker 5: and I'm telling stories about eating there with Sang. I'm
Speaker 5: like saying this, saying that my nephew, who's a huge
Speaker 5: fast and furious fan, thought I was talking about him,
Speaker 5: and he's just like, you come here with he thought
Speaker 5: your name, was saying and I'm like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: that's Sang, not Sung. And we're walking out, I'm like, oh, hey,
Speaker 5: so I'm always just talking about you and my nephews
Speaker 5: like just stars. It just like goes silent word and
Speaker 5: then like running up, He's like that, I can't believe
Speaker 5: you know him, I can't like.
Speaker 1: And the guy that I was with was the writer
Speaker 1: of the of the movies. Oh seriously, what was the
Speaker 1: name Chris Morian? Chris right, yeah, yeah, nice guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's super nice.
Speaker 4: Oh cool? Oh how funny?
Speaker 1: Was this coincidence?
Speaker 4: Small La World? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So okay, so this was recent, this is like the
Speaker 2: past week or yeah, that was so funny.
Speaker 1: The day that Ed was here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On the podcast, Ed brought you up quite a few times.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys have this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I've been working with Ed for over thirteen years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Another one who was mean to me when I first
Speaker 5: met him. Yeah, this was like back in so I'll
Speaker 5: tell you exactly what this was. So I knew his name,
Speaker 5: you know, I never really met him. And then we're
Speaker 5: on the X six launch this this is like two
Speaker 5: thousand and seven, and he's there and it's Motor tren.
Speaker 5: I wasn't a motor tray at the time. I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't even know what I was at, but like
Speaker 5: motor trend, big big deal. And he had like a
Speaker 5: video guy with him. And this is again two thousand
Speaker 5: and seven, and I remember I was like trying to
Speaker 5: say hello to him, just like wouldn't look at me,
Speaker 5: wouldn't give me the time of day, you know. So
Speaker 5: but you know, since I was I did a podcast
Speaker 5: with that this morning, so you know.
Speaker 2: It seems like a reoccurring theme.
Speaker 4: That I mean it could be Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just those two. Really.
Speaker 1: When I first met ed, he was very intimidating to
Speaker 1: me too, really, yeah, because he I met him at
Speaker 1: Motor Trend. Yeah, and he was in a suit. Any
Speaker 1: Asian man in a suit intimidates you. Yeah, totally didn't
Speaker 1: like he's wearing a suit. He's that corporate guy right
Speaker 1: right right, And then you find out like, oh he
Speaker 1: makes bread.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a goofy surfer, he's super cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can never judge a man by his.
Speaker 4: Suit, fair enough. I wasn't intimidated. I was just like,
Speaker 4: this guy just does not like me.
Speaker 2: But you know, where were you riding at the time.
Speaker 5: I was probably still at Gelotnik and I might have
Speaker 5: also been writing for a site I don't even know
Speaker 5: what's around anymore called The Truth about Cars. But that, yeah,
Speaker 5: I started in I started writing about cars two thousand
Speaker 5: and five.
Speaker 2: Do you always want to do that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a.
Speaker 5: Way, like like you know, I love cars my whole
Speaker 5: I was just telling this story. I was trying to
Speaker 5: explain to a younger kid how lucky they are. Like
Speaker 5: where I lived, there was a there was a hill
Speaker 5: a grow up in Thousand Oaks, and there was like
Speaker 5: the rich people lived on top of the hill. And
Speaker 5: I knew up there a guy had a Lamborghini Yalpa
Speaker 5: and it was green and it never moved. Now, the
Speaker 5: reason never moved is because I couldn't move. I didn't
Speaker 5: know that, and I could ride my bike up the
Speaker 5: hill and like once a week or more I would
Speaker 5: go up there just to look at it. Because at
Speaker 5: the time, nobody made a Yaulpa poster. There was no
Speaker 5: Yelpas on television, there was no internet. Maybe once every
Speaker 5: four years, road and Track and a black and white
Speaker 5: photo would have a picture of a Yaalpa.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's how you saw a Yalpa unless you
Speaker 5: got a Lamborghini book, which there really weren't any Lamborghini books.
Speaker 4: So, like, you know, I was I've always been super
Speaker 4: into cars.
Speaker 5: I used to I've always been a writer, and I
Speaker 5: used to write like fiction stories based on what I'd
Speaker 5: read in you know, Car and Driver about like you know,
Speaker 5: the hero would drive a GTI, because like a gt
Speaker 5: I was like a big deal in like nineteen eighty whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, I've read like these like horrible James Bond
Speaker 5: rip off stories where the guy's driving a GTI, because
Speaker 5: that really appealed to me, you know. And then yeah,
Speaker 5: I did a bunch of others, a lot of other
Speaker 5: stuff in my life. And then I was twenty five,
Speaker 5: I found myself unemployed. I was doing like software dot
Speaker 5: com bubble burst, and I was back in LA and
Speaker 5: I cold called Motor Trend and they were basically like, yeah, kid,
Speaker 5: you'll never work here.
Speaker 4: They actually gave me good advice. I just chose not
Speaker 4: to listen to it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then fast forward and I'm I'm a webmaster at
Speaker 5: cal Arts, the art school up by Magic Mountain, and
Speaker 5: I turned thirty and I couldn't figure out a way.
Speaker 4: To goof off.
Speaker 5: I was so bored, like I'd reached the end of
Speaker 5: the Internet. And in this like voice is realization hit
Speaker 5: me and it's like, if you don't get up out
Speaker 5: of this chair now, you're gonna turn forty sitting in
Speaker 5: this little tiny office by yourself, another decade of your
Speaker 5: life gone, like do something. And it was a real
Speaker 5: like panic attack moment. And this truth about cars at
Speaker 5: the time was just one guy, Robert Farrago, and I
Speaker 5: send him an email like I want to I want
Speaker 5: to write about cars, and he said, go find a
Speaker 5: car and review it. And it was a it was
Speaker 5: this remember the SABERU the SOB ninety two X, which
Speaker 5: was a WRX wagon, uh dressed up as a SOB.
Speaker 5: So my buddy had one. I hey, can I borrow
Speaker 5: your car? And I took it up Angela's Crest and
Speaker 5: like wrote a review, and you know, long story short,
Speaker 5: he was like, yeah, okay, that's pretty good. I'll send
Speaker 5: you a press car. And then the rest is sort
Speaker 5: of history. And now I've been a motor trend like
Speaker 5: over thirteen years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so pretty.
Speaker 5: Crazy, but like it was, yeah, it was a real
Speaker 5: like better start moving type of realization.
Speaker 1: What is awesome about being able to sit down with
Speaker 1: someone and getting to know them? I was like, what
Speaker 1: keeps Johnny's like headlights on high beam? Because I meant
Speaker 1: I used this. I used that kind of phrase a lot,
Speaker 1: like when I meet people that are even younger than me,
Speaker 1: I go, dude, your headlights are damn in life? Like
Speaker 1: you're like you're just kind of in neutral, just kind
Speaker 1: of coasting through life.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Then you meet people all different ages, right and they're
Speaker 1: like the redlining through life. It's awesome, right, It's like
Speaker 1: I want to live like that and going back to
Speaker 1: and I want to put emphasis on that at thirty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had the courage because it's it's not it's easy
Speaker 1: to just say and kind of overlook, but to go
Speaker 1: I am uncomfortable going out like this. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go fucking chase my dream.
Speaker 5: Life is precious and short and fleeting, and like, just
Speaker 5: take advantage of the time that you have here because
Speaker 5: it doesn't last forever, you know, it just really doesn't.
Speaker 1: Where'd you get that?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Look, I mean probably my dad died real suddenly when
Speaker 5: I was twenty five, our heart attack and died. I
Speaker 5: think that had a lot to do with it. And
Speaker 5: then recently we were talking about dog dying. I've had
Speaker 5: like people dying. I mean it hasn't been that reason,
Speaker 5: but like a few years ago, like I you know,
Speaker 5: it was like the Davy who I was talking about.
Speaker 5: I want my mother in law, my mother, my sister,
Speaker 5: my best friend, they all died kind of like every
Speaker 5: six months one of them was dropping. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: and then you have you know, if you have children,
Speaker 5: you know that like they just don't stop growing, you know,
Speaker 5: and like it's it's getting to the point where my
Speaker 5: kid's about to turn seven, and like I can still
Speaker 5: hug him and snuggle him. But like sometimes it's like, no,
Speaker 5: I don't want to hold hands. I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 5: my favorite thing in the world, is like holding hands.
Speaker 4: When we cross the street.
Speaker 5: Like really, okay, you know, you know you don't want
Speaker 5: to like hold my hand because it's kind of weird.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just it's just this I don't know
Speaker 5: awareness of it. You know that life is short and
Speaker 5: fleeting and like, uh, you know, make make make hay
Speaker 5: while the sun is still shining type thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, well the sun is still shut. You know that
Speaker 1: should be a T shirt too.
Speaker 2: We should start something this T shirt everything.
Speaker 4: Guess I'll let's keep talking. I'll come with something better
Speaker 4: than that.
Speaker 2: Can I get morbid for a second?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, please?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like life's almost over? You're not You're
Speaker 2: not that old. I'm not saying it, like question seriously,
Speaker 2: Like you say life when by twenty years so quickly?
Speaker 2: Does that scare you for the.
Speaker 4: Rest of young?
Speaker 2: I love the young, and I'm not saying for you
Speaker 2: like I'm telling you like.
Speaker 4: That Johnny by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, this one
Speaker 4: foot in the grave. No, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's scared of getting older.
Speaker 5: No, but you know what, I hang out with older
Speaker 5: people that that make me feel young, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, So like I have like I do this
Speaker 5: other podcast Spikes Car Radio and Spike and Zuckerman. They're
Speaker 5: both about to turn sixty, and they're youthful and they're
Speaker 5: running around and they're doing stuff. So you know what,
Speaker 5: I used to see older people as like, oh, they're
Speaker 5: so old they can't do anything.
Speaker 4: So no, I'm not scared of that.
Speaker 2: But my question was first too poorly, But.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I love it.
Speaker 5: So no, I'm not scared of dying per se. I'm
Speaker 5: just scared of like, you know, very few things happen overnight,
Speaker 5: and you got to put in the work and all that,
Speaker 5: and just like I just want to take advantage of
Speaker 5: the time. I want to make the most of this
Speaker 5: this really crazy sitting here on this like little tiny
Speaker 5: rock orbiting a small sun on the edge of a galaxy,
Speaker 5: Like it's pretty rare that you get, you know, seventy
Speaker 5: eighty ninety years on this rock, like take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: Do you see a fifty year old and go, god dang,
Speaker 1: that's all?
Speaker 2: No, not at all. What scares me and what prompts
Speaker 2: the question is how fast life goes. Because I really
Speaker 2: feel like the last decade of my life like went
Speaker 2: by so fast. And I heard the analogy of like
Speaker 2: a toilet paper roll when your baby, you're just at
Speaker 2: the beginning and the next thing you know, it's like
Speaker 2: almost at the end. Because for a.
Speaker 1: Lot of because I heard that before, it is good
Speaker 1: at altitude though.
Speaker 2: Because as you get older, it goes faster and faster.
Speaker 2: Because like when you're a kid and you're in school
Speaker 2: the end of class, you're looking at the clock, You're like,
Speaker 2: how's this going so slow? And then needs to get
Speaker 2: older at links and then I imagine at least place
Speaker 2: some people I talk to, the older you get, the
Speaker 2: quicker it gets. And that's what scares me because I
Speaker 2: want I don't want it to go buy too fast.
Speaker 1: How about you, Johnny? I remember in my twenties time
Speaker 1: was slow. Yeah, Like I was like, geez, get to
Speaker 1: the weekend, come on, mane. Now I wake up and
Speaker 1: it's seven pm.
Speaker 4: It is. You're right, it is.
Speaker 5: It is really funny. How if I have something to
Speaker 5: do that week, it's just there instantly. It's like there's
Speaker 5: used to be like, oh, that's on Thursday, like this podcast,
Speaker 5: like that's in four days, but it's like it's Monday.
Speaker 4: Now it's Thursday, and it is quick.
Speaker 5: But I think, uh, having kids in my case, like
Speaker 5: that really sped up time because I still you know,
Speaker 5: your phone's like six years ago today and I'm like,
Speaker 5: how was that six years ago? Like he what, it's
Speaker 5: the same kid, you know, And it's like really, I
Speaker 5: think kind of distorts time in a way. But then
Speaker 5: at the same time, like if I stop, that's the
Speaker 5: thing is it's rare to like stop and not just
Speaker 5: go write on your phone. If you stop and think
Speaker 5: about I think about what I've done in my you know,
Speaker 5: car career. It's like I could write a really good
Speaker 5: book because I've done so much, you know, Like it's it's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, would you write a book.
Speaker 5: I've always wanted to write a book. I don't know
Speaker 5: who would read it, but I've always wanted to write
Speaker 5: a bit read it, Okay, yeah, you know, because it's
Speaker 5: just like I've I've done some like pretty wild stuff,
Speaker 5: and you know, but it's also like you know that
Speaker 5: there's also the temptation to do like a tell all,
Speaker 5: you know, because I know I've seen some. But it's
Speaker 5: also like I really want like an inside baseball of
Speaker 5: a very obscure industry.
Speaker 1: I want to know all about ed.
Speaker 5: No, I'll tell you there's a lot to tell.
Speaker 4: There's there's a lot to tell. Uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He put he presents swell as you said, he dresses
Speaker 5: up for. I don't know, is it like insanely narcissistic
Speaker 5: to like I'm going to write a book about me?
Speaker 2: You know, like probably think so.
Speaker 5: But if it's interesting, it's interesting, you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 5: and like I've just done some wild stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: So what's the craziest It's funny.
Speaker 5: The one that pops in my head when I said
Speaker 5: that is well, it was I was trying to go
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty miles an hour in the Bugatti
Speaker 5: Sharon Uh.
Speaker 2: Supersport and.
Speaker 5: Florida h Space Shuttle runway and like, you know, you're
Speaker 5: doing the driver's meeting and they're like, so, you know,
Speaker 5: keep your visor down, uh, because even though you got
Speaker 5: a windshield. Like if a bird comes through at you know,
Speaker 5: two hundred and some odd miles an hour, it'll it'll
Speaker 5: kill you, so, you know, one extra layer of protection.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, oh.
Speaker 5: And if there's alligators on the runway, like don't hit them,
Speaker 5: try and go around them, like you don't want to
Speaker 5: turned too much. But it's pretty wide, and as we're
Speaker 5: driving up to it, there's just alligators everywhere.
Speaker 4: Luckily they weren't on their runway.
Speaker 5: And then the way we did it was we did
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty mile an hour run, a two
Speaker 5: hundred mile an hour run with a guy in the car,
Speaker 5: and then he gets out for the two fifty.
Speaker 4: But as we're doing you know, two hundred and eleven
Speaker 4: miles an hour, there's birds. They go right over to
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 5: They were both like down, you know, like okay, maybe
Speaker 5: they knew what they were talking about.
Speaker 4: But I go, I do it, and they're very adamant.
Speaker 4: They're like, don't look down.
Speaker 5: At the speedo, just floor it and hold it and
Speaker 5: you know, go for eleven thousand feet or whatever it was.
Speaker 5: And when you see the flags, lift and hit the brakes.
Speaker 5: So I do that, and I'm like yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: two fifty. I get back there and they look at
Speaker 5: the data. It's like, now you went two forty five.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what you know? I was welded to the
Speaker 4: floor and they're like, yeah, we don't know. Do it again.
Speaker 5: Well it was really dumb to say do it again
Speaker 5: because the protocol was they changed the tires every time
Speaker 5: you go.
Speaker 4: You know, those are.
Speaker 2: Expensive tires, aren't they, or that as that was old
Speaker 2: in the day. It was like ten thousand of tire
Speaker 2: for the Bugattis for the.
Speaker 5: Veryron tires had they were like they were like impregnated
Speaker 5: with carbon fiber.
Speaker 4: Uh, they were very unique to the varn.
Speaker 5: These I believe were just like Vayron Spec Michelin Pilot
Speaker 5: Sports Cup twos.
Speaker 4: So it is expensive, but it's not like yeah, no,
Speaker 4: what it.
Speaker 2: Was like forty thousand for a full set.
Speaker 5: I think it was more than that. I think it
Speaker 5: was like sixty thousand for the physical tires. But they
Speaker 5: and then but they were also they were bead locked,
Speaker 5: so that the actually changing was a whole process and
Speaker 5: it had to be done like in France, I don't
Speaker 5: even ask. So no one had done a two hundred
Speaker 5: and forty mile an hour run and then done another
Speaker 5: one back to back. It was really a bad idea
Speaker 5: because the tires were shot, they got heat cycled so much.
Speaker 4: And I just went again, changing tires, just wind changed tires.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to get it, and like the rain
Speaker 5: was coming, you know it, you know it a one day,
Speaker 5: you only had one chance, like do it, do it?
Speaker 5: So I went and it turned out the reason why
Speaker 5: I couldn't go faster than two forty five on that
Speaker 5: first run was that there was crosswinds, and so when
Speaker 5: the crosswinds hit the car, it creates a vortex on
Speaker 5: the other side that like pulls the car and it
Speaker 5: just it just slows it down enough. So before we
Speaker 5: knew that, one of the drivers said, hey, he goes.
Speaker 5: You know, we built in a lot of safety margin.
Speaker 5: So when you see the flags, just keep your foot
Speaker 5: in it for another thousand feet or so.
Speaker 4: Just count to one. Because by the way, at two hundred.
Speaker 5: And you know, fifty miles an hour, you're going a
Speaker 5: football field in like a second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really fast.
Speaker 2: That's hard to get another five miles per hour though
Speaker 2: in a second it is it is, So I.
Speaker 4: Keep my foot welded.
Speaker 5: But at about I remember I was looking this time,
Speaker 5: so I'd done it before, and I'm going to stare
Speaker 5: at the speedometer this time to make sure.
Speaker 4: And at two hundred and.
Speaker 5: Forty miles an hour, a wind hit and it was
Speaker 5: like if I didn't turn the car, like I was
Speaker 5: going to go off the runway.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because I've suddenly been redirected.
Speaker 3: Is it right?
Speaker 2: As you were looking down? It caught you off card.
Speaker 5: It was just I was, you know, I'm doing this,
Speaker 5: but it was just I just I felt something push
Speaker 5: the car and it's like suddenly my trajectory was not
Speaker 5: straight down the runway, it was at a thing. So
Speaker 5: I had to do this at two hundred and forty
Speaker 5: miles an hour, which was like, just saw my kid's face.
Speaker 5: It was just Richard's face just popped into my head.
Speaker 5: It was like oh. And then kept my foot and
Speaker 5: it kept my foot and it just wouldn't go over
Speaker 5: two forty. Came back in and said, I'm done.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 5: You know, three hundred and ninety six kilometers an hour
Speaker 5: is fine, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: That was pretty wild.
Speaker 5: And then I guess the other crazy thing I do
Speaker 5: is I raised Pike's Peak in twenty twenty two and
Speaker 5: that was, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That wonderful, but also really I kind of got robbed.
Speaker 4: It was like super foggy.
Speaker 2: What car were you?
Speaker 5: I was in a Porsche seventy eighteen, came in GT
Speaker 5: four Club Sports.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is kind of the worst car to do
Speaker 5: Pike's Peak in because it's naturally aspirated and rear wheel drive,
Speaker 5: Like you sort of want all wheel drive and as
Speaker 5: much turbo charging as possible. So yeah, the car at
Speaker 5: sea level makes four hundred and twenty horse power. At
Speaker 5: the peak it was making about two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 5: So it was a pretty slow way to go. And
Speaker 5: I had seven days of practice of glorious, perfect sunny, clear,
Speaker 5: dry weather. The race is Sunday morning, Saturday night ten
Speaker 5: inches of snow, and then get there in the morning
Speaker 5: it's raining and freezing. Track is wet, and then after
Speaker 5: like the bottom quarter, it's just pure.
Speaker 4: Fog all the way to the top.
Speaker 5: Like I mean, like twenty I can show on my
Speaker 5: phone afterwards, like twenty feet of visibility in front of you,
Speaker 5: and you know, sheer eighteen hundred foot drops everywhere, and
Speaker 5: you know, so I made it to the top.
Speaker 4: I didn't crash. That was something.
Speaker 1: Have you driven pikesbeak?
Speaker 2: I haven't. It's on my bucket list to do.
Speaker 4: You should do it. You'd be good for it, and
Speaker 4: you'd be good at it. You got to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the bucket list.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and don't not even bucketts. Just do it now,
Speaker 5: you know. And I'm itching to go back. It's just
Speaker 5: that like racing, you know, it costs a lot. Water's wet.
Speaker 5: Racing is expensive, you know, just it really is.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that before. Yeah, I heard that's too
Speaker 2: t shirt life. I've the more propular one I know
Speaker 2: is to make a small fortune racing. It takes a
Speaker 2: big one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, start with a large one, exactly right. Yeah, No,
Speaker 5: I was. I was just everything's crazy. It's like you
Speaker 5: gotta you gotta buy oxygen. I remember the morning I
Speaker 5: was doing the middle section, like I didn't turn my
Speaker 5: oxygen on, and my my crew chief was talking to
Speaker 5: me and he's asked me some questions and I could
Speaker 5: see the expression on his face was the way I
Speaker 5: look at my kid when I know he's lying to me, Okay, what.
Speaker 4: Really did you really wash your hands? You know?
Speaker 5: And he's looking like that, and I'm staring back at him,
Speaker 5: and he goes, is your oxygen on?
Speaker 4: I no, he goes, turn your oxygen on?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, And I remember I was trying to buckle
Speaker 5: my seatbelt and I just I couldn't. I didn't have
Speaker 5: to wear with the mental capacity to buckle my seatbeltesting yeah,
Speaker 5: and then suddenly the oxygen's on. It's like, oh okay.
Speaker 5: So it's it's a very weird, harsh environment and it's
Speaker 5: just yeah, it's just it's a neat, neat, neat race
Speaker 5: that if it if it wasn't a thing and you
Speaker 5: today said hey, let's race up this mountain. Never happened
Speaker 5: in a million years. It's just totally grandfathered in. There's
Speaker 5: you know, I forget what it is, but like ten
Speaker 5: percent of the field crashes in practice, fifteen percent crashes
Speaker 5: during the race. Like it's a you know, the cars
Speaker 5: are safe now, but they weren't always, you know, So
Speaker 5: it's just it's just, yeah, it's nuts.
Speaker 1: Every year, isn't there like a huge accident And there's.
Speaker 4: A lot of accidents. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, I think it's like twenty
Speaker 5: percent or twenty five percent of the field doesn't.
Speaker 4: Make it to the top right now. If you google
Speaker 4: Pike's Peak evo, you'll see this.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking the EVO. Yeah, that was probably
Speaker 2: one of the more famous crashes.
Speaker 4: They named a corner after it, Evo Corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he he was fine, The driver was was
Speaker 2: okay from loping arm. There was a fine, but he
Speaker 2: didn't you know, coulda or that car.
Speaker 5: Went eighteen hundred feet end over and over end over
Speaker 5: end or it was crazy and I think one broken arm.
Speaker 5: There's two guys in the car, one broken arm. And
Speaker 5: like they they did a video for Racaro the seat
Speaker 5: maker about how great this is because the seats didn't fail. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, and they got yeah, which which you've done
Speaker 5: some racing, you know that not all cages are built equally.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, whoever built their cage is a very good
Speaker 5: cage builder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah again I can I'll show you more.
Speaker 4: We're done.
Speaker 5: And it's bad to talk about photos on a podcast,
Speaker 5: I know, but like I got a picture from my
Speaker 5: go Pro of the fog on EVO corner, and then
Speaker 5: I was slided over to picture of the EVO going off,
Speaker 5: just to show people like I could not see that corner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty feet.
Speaker 2: That would have scared me a little too, not being
Speaker 2: able to see what a cliff right there.
Speaker 5: It was just weird because we had total perfect weather
Speaker 5: for seven days straight and then the race itself. I
Speaker 5: wasn't scared. I was just frustrated and annoyed because, like
Speaker 5: I could.
Speaker 4: I knew.
Speaker 2: One shot. Well, anyone's driven in fog, even driving a
Speaker 2: fog on the freeway, like all of a sudden, bam,
Speaker 2: car you hit it because they're parked and you can't
Speaker 2: see in front of you.
Speaker 5: And again there could be a you know up there
Speaker 5: the sheep, you know, a rock could have fallen.
Speaker 4: Like the sheep like to grab the hay bales and
Speaker 4: drag them all over the place.
Speaker 5: Like it's it's really it's a weird race. I mean
Speaker 5: that was the thing of the driver's meeting. They'd be like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: so somebody saw a bear at four point thirty and
Speaker 5: then there was some sheep up by engineer's corner, but
Speaker 5: they seem to be off the track. Now a couple
Speaker 5: of bowlders the size of bowling ball. But you know,
Speaker 5: just avoid them all right, have fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Is your sign in to cars too. No, No, not really.
Speaker 2: Do you think he will be?
Speaker 4: I don't know. He's in two you know.
Speaker 5: This week he's into Minecraft uh and Minecraft Legos. Last
Speaker 5: week he was into Harry Potter and Harry Potter Legos.
Speaker 5: I got into cars probably when I was like nine
Speaker 5: or ten, So I really like it hit me like
Speaker 5: I always liked him and knew about him.
Speaker 1: And your dad was a car guy, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had a Z.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean that's honestly, I believe my earliest memories.
Speaker 4: I hate saying honestly.
Speaker 5: I've been lying about everything else. This is one thing
Speaker 5: is true. My dad, Yeah, he we I grew up
Speaker 5: in Thousand Oaks, and so my dad used to love
Speaker 5: to drive the Malibu canyons and so I, you know,
Speaker 5: I remember this really well. He'd strap me into the
Speaker 5: front seat in a car seat, and he had a
Speaker 5: blow punked tape deck that had a microphone input and
Speaker 5: you could record, and he used to like drive around
Speaker 5: with me on like Decker canyon stuff and like you know, record,
Speaker 5: you know, me talking to him and interesting, yeah, and
Speaker 5: he'd play it back. So I have this real strong
Speaker 5: memory of that, probably the one memory, not probably one
Speaker 5: hundred percent with when I was like nine or ten,
Speaker 5: my dad's from Montreal, and we were back in Montreal
Speaker 5: and in Old Town Montreal, which is like gray cobblestone streets,
Speaker 5: there was an orange Coontash, you know, and especially this
Speaker 5: would have been probably like eighty four. At that point,
Speaker 5: they'd only built like a couple hundred, you know. The
Speaker 5: total run of the Kuntash was probably like fifteen hundred
Speaker 5: cars total, but that really ramped up towards the end,
Speaker 5: you know, like post eighty six and on. So like
Speaker 5: in eighty four, he just didn't see Coontashes, you know,
Speaker 5: even living in La But here was an orange one
Speaker 5: on the gray cobblestone streets in old town. And my
Speaker 5: dad liked cars enough that he'd let me just just
Speaker 5: blew my mind. I like short circuited, and I just
Speaker 5: stood there like gaping. There's nothing looked like at the time.
Speaker 5: Now there's a lot of things that are shaped like
Speaker 5: the Cuntash. But at the time, all cars were front engine,
Speaker 5: rear drive. There was no mid and the mirror before it,
Speaker 5: which was mid engine, looked like a front engine car,
Speaker 5: you know, So it just looked like a classic sports car.
Speaker 5: The Cuontash was so new, so unique, and yeah, it
Speaker 5: him it out for a decade or so, but I was,
Speaker 5: you know, I was nine, what did I know? And
Speaker 5: that like the second after that, it was just cars, cars, cars, cars, cars,
Speaker 5: and that's just all I cared about.
Speaker 1: That experience to go to a car dealership with my
Speaker 1: stepdadd It was like one of the memories that I
Speaker 1: still vividly recall to watch him like negotiate, go for
Speaker 1: test drives. The whole experience was this like wonderful experience
Speaker 1: that I wanted to actually share with my nephew. My
Speaker 1: nephew was staying with us to the freshman in high school,
Speaker 1: and so he would be around like, you know the
Speaker 1: cars that I have, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're going to go and experience how to buy a car.
Speaker 4: What car would you like.
Speaker 1: When you turned sixteen? And he's like cheap? So I
Speaker 1: took him to a Jeep dealer and we met the
Speaker 1: salesman at the lot and it was this guy. He
Speaker 1: had just started there very excited that the guy from
Speaker 1: you know, the Fast movies are there, and I was like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I really want to share this experience with
Speaker 1: my nephew, and I let my nephew like pick the car,
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, we're going to go for a
Speaker 1: test drive. And the car was like in the storage
Speaker 1: area and the parking lot. Okay, right, And I have
Speaker 1: never driven the Jeep before, and it was a manual
Speaker 1: because I was like, hey, so if we're gonna buy
Speaker 1: a Jeep, you gotta buy a manual. So I'm driving
Speaker 1: the car. He first of all, he doesn't take my license.
Speaker 1: There's like this is his first day, and he's just excited,
Speaker 1: right yeah. And so he's in the back seat, my
Speaker 1: nephews in the front seat, and I'm driving the car
Speaker 1: and we get to this incline. I go, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: lift up the gate and he's like, I thought it's automatic.
Speaker 1: So he gets out and he's like the intercom and
Speaker 1: nothing's happening. He's like, hey man, no one's answering. So
Speaker 1: I think we got to take the car back and
Speaker 1: we got to go downstairs, and I was like all right,
Speaker 1: and I thought I put the car reverse and boom,
Speaker 1: I slam into the gate right and it's just like boom,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, oh, this is not good. Right,
Speaker 1: And I was like what do I do? And he
Speaker 1: goes the car. I go, how do I put the
Speaker 1: car in reverse? You have to lift it up and
Speaker 1: pull it. There's like some weird thing, right yeah. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know do this man, I go,
Speaker 1: come here, you don't know anything about the car. I
Speaker 1: put it in reverse and he goes, okay, and he
Speaker 1: does something and I'm like all right, and now we're
Speaker 1: like way at the bottom. I gotta give it some gas,
Speaker 1: so I do it again. And now I'm in.
Speaker 4: The gate.
Speaker 1: Gate.
Speaker 2: You when did this happen?
Speaker 1: I don't want to say is wrapped around the Now
Speaker 1: he's going to remember those calculating how much damage this is?
Speaker 1: This is like what a great experience. And he's just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, finally we figure it out.
Speaker 2: I get the car of your surfaces on the internete
Speaker 2: of you slamming.
Speaker 1: It's now it's this is it's a ship show. It's
Speaker 1: had a little fender bender this thing, and I'm like
Speaker 1: looking and I'm looking at this, dude, I go, this
Speaker 1: car is jacked up. Man, this it's like not look.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, this is going to cost the
Speaker 1: amount of the value of the car, right, And I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him and he goes, just leave and I
Speaker 1: was like what. He goes, it's my fault. Just leave
Speaker 1: and I was like, but you're gonna get fired, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't like this job anyway, right, So anyway,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, this is crazy and we so
Speaker 1: we go home and fast forward last week, right, I
Speaker 1: was at AutoZone picking up something.
Speaker 2: Was he working there?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, And I'm like and the guy's like, hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what's up? And he goes, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I heard that you like crushed this right into the gate.
Speaker 1: And I was like, who told you that? He goes,
Speaker 1: My buddy is like one of my best friends. And
Speaker 1: I go what happened to him? He goes with that job.
Speaker 1: That is my experience.
Speaker 5: I mean, well, the good news is that there's a
Speaker 5: dealer lot insurance thing. So it's like an eighteen hundred
Speaker 5: dollars deductible fixes all that.
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah? Yeah, okay, so I don't feel so bad.
Speaker 4: Don't ask me how I know that.
Speaker 5: But no, I was gonna say, but like that that
Speaker 5: dealership experience, yeah, like like.
Speaker 2: How there's no real segue. You're doing a great jobship experience.
Speaker 1: I was gonna be fantastic for him. He'll never forget
Speaker 1: this experience. It was, it was.
Speaker 5: It was hard to explain because again just before the internet,
Speaker 5: like I remember when Lexis appeared, this was this was
Speaker 5: huge because it was like late eighties, forty thousand dollars
Speaker 5: for a Japanese car, which was unheard of, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean that Mercedes cost that much. And I remember
Speaker 5: my dad's like, we got to go see this thing.
Speaker 5: It was like they had an event at the local.
Speaker 5: It was a Cadillac dealer that also suddenly was Lexus,
Speaker 5: and we went down there and it was at night
Speaker 5: and they had an LUs four hundred under spotlights.
Speaker 4: And it was just like look at it. It's like this.
Speaker 5: Looks incredible and like and they do stuff like that now.
Speaker 5: But I think I feel like for the most part,
Speaker 5: you see stuff on the internet.
Speaker 2: Even with the Internet. My first experience with the Seat
Speaker 2: Corvette was I it was touring. I was like, I
Speaker 2: need to go find a dealership that houses car in
Speaker 2: the showroom. And I convinced this dealership to let me
Speaker 2: like film a video like thirty minutes before they open
Speaker 2: and just walk around and show it and I was
Speaker 2: like geeking out. It's so cool to even if you
Speaker 2: see something online or not at all, to just see
Speaker 2: it in person is such a different experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, until you see a car in sunlight, I always
Speaker 5: feel like you haven't really seen the thing, like.
Speaker 4: You know, like two D photos or video.
Speaker 5: And that's one thing like when you actually like lay
Speaker 5: your hands on it, see how the paint reflects in sunlight.
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's you get the full.
Speaker 5: Measure of the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think your sun will or this generous your
Speaker 1: song generation is going to be able to appreciate cars
Speaker 1: like you did?
Speaker 5: I mean, I look like the way I did was
Speaker 5: really weird, you know. I like I said, I was
Speaker 5: riding up a hill to go look at the go
Speaker 5: by myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure you know of what you've done with
Speaker 5: your movies, because what if you've done you know the videos.
Speaker 4: I used to make.
Speaker 5: I mean I meet people all the time, like do
Speaker 5: everything I know about cars I learned from watching your videos,
Speaker 5: Like oh you know, so I think I think we're
Speaker 5: creating enthusiasm, you know, and like like my but the
Speaker 5: reason I ran into you at Parks is because I
Speaker 5: had that Porstra of the g T three RS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is uh I drive that car. Yeah driven,
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I haven't drawn it, but I love your stories with it,
Speaker 2: and it looks very nice.
Speaker 5: I really connected with that car. But by my my
Speaker 5: nephew's fourteen, he's like uncle Johnny called me. That never
Speaker 5: called me Uncle Johnny. Do you think maybe, like you know,
Speaker 5: I haven't seen you in a while, we go out
Speaker 5: to dinner. Yeah, sure, could you bring the Porsche. It's
Speaker 5: like I can bring the porch, so you know, And
Speaker 5: like I said, like the thing we do together is
Speaker 5: when a new fast and Furius comes out, I take him.
Speaker 4: You know, that's our like, that's our thing.
Speaker 1: On a personal note, yeah, uh, what do you feel
Speaker 1: like your dad taught you as a father that you
Speaker 1: have taken and applied to your own relationship question?
Speaker 4: God? Uh, you know it's funny. I've done a lot of.
Speaker 5: Therapy, especially recently because, like like I said, had a
Speaker 5: series of deaths that were just like devastating. I remember
Speaker 5: my dad and at the time it just seemed very normal,
Speaker 5: and then when he wasn't around, I was like, this
Speaker 5: is weird. All my dad would do is like talk
Speaker 5: to me about science. He really didn't know history or science.
Speaker 5: He really never like it was never like how you doing,
Speaker 5: what are you doing at school? Didn't never came up.
Speaker 5: You know, all my friends were little idiots. All he
Speaker 5: wanted to do was tell me about like World War
Speaker 5: two and science.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: And so I remember, like, you know, going out to
Speaker 5: lums with them all the time, and we would talk
Speaker 5: about the general theory of relativity and you know, but
Speaker 5: so I was able to this morning this morning, you know,
Speaker 5: I remember my dad doing the same thing. I'm like, Richard,
Speaker 5: if you're in a train and I'm standing outside the train,
Speaker 5: and I, you know, I think you're going sixty miles
Speaker 5: an hour, and then if you throw a baseball on
Speaker 5: the train, to you, the baseball is going sixty miles
Speaker 5: an hour. But to me, I see the baseball is
Speaker 5: going one hundred and twenty because it has the speed
Speaker 5: of the train, it has the speed of the ball.
Speaker 4: So that's that's relativity. It depends on where you are,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: So my dad has been good for stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and he was, you know, was a wonderful man, kind
Speaker 5: man all that stuff like, was he what you know,
Speaker 5: did he give me equipment for life, Like, wow, if
Speaker 5: I would have been a scientist or a historian. Maybe
Speaker 5: he was a good storyteller, and I'm pretty good at
Speaker 5: telling stories, so maybe he gave me that. But I
Speaker 5: try and be I always wanted more time with my dad.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, he worked when he started his
Speaker 5: own business, he was working fourteen hour days and you know,
Speaker 5: so I'm trying to be real present in Richard's life,
Speaker 5: and I haven't been traveling as much. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't know that was a good answer or not, but that.
Speaker 1: Was That's a great answer.
Speaker 2: Did you say you lost your mom also recently?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I lost me. Yeah, in two thousand and twenty one.
Speaker 2: So you've lost both your parents.
Speaker 5: And my sister. Yeah, wow, I'm in well, I guess
Speaker 5: my son, but yeah, yeah, my sister had a freaky,
Speaker 5: like out of the blue heart attack, and my mom
Speaker 5: was really sick for years and years and years. She
Speaker 5: had like five different types of cancer and and that
Speaker 5: wasn't even what killed her. I mean she had a
Speaker 5: million different maladies. You know, my best friend, you know,
Speaker 5: overdeed thought he was doing heroin, was doing fentanyl. Mother
Speaker 5: in law had an aneurysm, Davy, you.
Speaker 4: Know, drowned in a river. It was craziness. Wow, it
Speaker 4: was all within like two and a half years. It
Speaker 4: was a lot. That was a lot. But it's been
Speaker 4: it's been a lot better since no one, no one
Speaker 4: closes died, so it's been nice.
Speaker 5: But I mean there was a time where it's like
Speaker 5: every six months, like, well, who's it going to be?
Speaker 4: Oh shit?
Speaker 2: Was there one thing that you learned in therapy that
Speaker 2: helped you the most?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know about thing, but I was very angry.
Speaker 4: I was very angry, and I was very angry.
Speaker 5: I had a very loving childhood. Nothing bad happened, but
Speaker 5: my parents communicated through screaming. My mom was a yeller.
Speaker 5: My dad was very quiet, very quiet until he wasn't.
Speaker 5: Then he was screaming.
Speaker 4: And I sort of learned that like.
Speaker 5: That's how you are, and like, you know, everyone in
Speaker 5: my family was screaming at all times. It's fine and
Speaker 5: that like, Nope, that's actually not the way to be
Speaker 5: to have these like crazy angry outbursts. And and I,
Speaker 5: you know, I just just sort of like trying to
Speaker 5: be a good person. I wouldn't yell, but I was
Speaker 5: I would get like enraged about stuff that I couldn't control,
Speaker 5: and therapy really helped me with that. And I had
Speaker 5: a lot of anger that all these people died. I
Speaker 5: was very angry about it. I wanted to like lash
Speaker 5: out about it, and we spent a lot of time
Speaker 5: exploring that, like, well, you know, where's this anger coming from?
Speaker 4: So I think that was My wife commented that, she said,
Speaker 4: you know, you're a lot calmer these days.
Speaker 2: Do you like have a mantra? Do you tell yourself
Speaker 2: something or like when you get angry, do you just
Speaker 2: recognize it and say there's nothing to get angry about.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I also like, when you're a parent, you realize
Speaker 5: this that like children model their behavior on the way
Speaker 5: you act. And so when I see my son, like
Speaker 5: if you can't do a math problem or something, I'm like, boy,
Speaker 5: he's getting that from me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So you try, and you try and like cool it down.
Speaker 1: It seems like therapy is something that people that haven't
Speaker 1: gone through therapy they kind of dismiss it or they
Speaker 1: don't give it any credit, and then go through it
Speaker 1: and you're like, holy mokes, it's like finding the owner's
Speaker 1: mailua all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yes, right, analogy, Yeah, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's right. What's an owner's manual? It's an explanation.
Speaker 5: And so this woman she was able to like, you know,
Speaker 5: I think you're angry because of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been very helpful.
Speaker 1: I thank you so much for your willingness to be
Speaker 1: open and share that. Yeah, because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the listeners that look up to you, that follow you,
Speaker 1: that connect with you, like with cars and stuff, I
Speaker 1: think we forget that you're a car enthusiast, but you're
Speaker 1: still human beings. Sure, you know, there's things that break down,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you need another person you look up to
Speaker 1: and going, hey, they break down like me too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's easy to look at Instagram and see a highlight
Speaker 2: reel or any of that. But yeah, it's really kind
Speaker 2: of you, involved of you to open up and feel comfortable,
Speaker 2: and I thank you for feeling comfortable with us to
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 4: Oh totally.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine that this has hopefully helped someone hearing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know the other thing I find, and
Speaker 5: not so much with therapy, but like I've been on
Speaker 5: this like kind of like body transformation kick, Like I've
Speaker 5: lost it.
Speaker 2: So you've lost like almost thirty pounds.
Speaker 5: No, I'm but twenty a little over twenty, you know,
Speaker 5: but this one has been insane where like cause I've
Speaker 5: just been I said, like, well, how am I going
Speaker 5: to keep myself? Like, what's one habit I have that
Speaker 5: I do all the time? I post on Instagram. I've
Speaker 5: done over ten thousand posts. Obviously I'm serious about Instagram now.
Speaker 4: And I just thought it up. I said, if I
Speaker 4: do like a weekly update, it'll it'll keep me honest.
Speaker 5: If I know that, like in five days, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: have to post a picture and talk about my weight
Speaker 5: and whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 5: If I can kind of like hide in the shadows,
Speaker 5: I won't do it. And like the amount of people
Speaker 5: that have like A signed up with my trainer, but
Speaker 5: also B like just said, like, man, I struggle with
Speaker 5: that so much, so hard, thank you so much. I
Speaker 5: know how hard this is.
Speaker 4: I'd a woman I don't know who she is.
Speaker 5: She sent me a DM to O the day She's like,
Speaker 5: you know what, man, I said, if that, if Johnny
Speaker 5: Lieberman can lose weight, I can do it. I'm down
Speaker 5: sixteen pounds. I've stopped doing this and I'm.
Speaker 2: Just like, that's amazing.
Speaker 5: This is great, you know what I mean. Now I
Speaker 5: have a long way to go to where I want
Speaker 5: to get to. But yeah, I mean it's like my
Speaker 5: my pants are too big, my wallet falls out all
Speaker 5: the time. This ring is starting to come off, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like it's it's a transformation, and
Speaker 5: it's it's really you know, I'm sure you guys know
Speaker 5: it's a diet more than anything. I mean, he's got
Speaker 5: to like, you know, as much as I love eating,
Speaker 5: you got you gotta stick mostly to a to a
Speaker 5: pretty boring diet.
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome you were talking about this because that
Speaker 1: was on the road for like ever this year and
Speaker 1: the roads the killer and stay in hotels and then
Speaker 1: and then I was like I feel like shit, Like internally, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's a human being. I feel like what is everything?
Speaker 1: It was like the headlights dimming right and I would
Speaker 1: and I go down the bathroom. I would never turn
Speaker 1: on the light ever. Yeah, I would like when I
Speaker 1: would wake up and go, you know, brush my teeth
Speaker 1: or go to pee or go to shower, I would
Speaker 1: leave the lights off because I couldn't like stare at myself.
Speaker 4: You yeah, yeah, looking man?
Speaker 1: No no no, no no. And then I mean even
Speaker 1: Amelia I would tell that I don't second, but they
Speaker 1: take pictures and I'm like, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: myself like any movie or project I would do. I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't see I can't look at myself.
Speaker 1: It would get me, yeah, it would make me super depressed.
Speaker 2: Has that changed?
Speaker 1: As soon as at November twenty third? I remember I
Speaker 1: was like sitting there, going, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do about it? Right? It's like
Speaker 1: I'm smoking like half a pack to its pack of
Speaker 1: American spirits a day, yeah, and you're like, okay, delicious,
Speaker 1: but you yeah, yeah, yeah right right, But like and
Speaker 1: then I'm garbage whatever I want. I'm eating right, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why are you doing this? But what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? And then so I threw the
Speaker 1: cigarettes away and I started going for like a walk,
Speaker 1: and I go, I'm gonna start running again, like really running,
Speaker 1: and then the run like reprogram my brain. It's almost
Speaker 1: like rebooting your computer, right or getting like a tune
Speaker 1: up and going The reason you feel this way is
Speaker 1: because your oil is dirty right, and you you got
Speaker 1: to change that filter, bro, like every three thousand miles,
Speaker 1: like change it, or even change it at eighteen hundred miles,
Speaker 1: because how hard are you going?
Speaker 2: I have bad dysmorphia, and I get roasted whenever I
Speaker 2: share that, because like why you like, you're fucking beautiful
Speaker 2: or whatever, but I have bad dysmorphia. I can't look
Speaker 2: in the mirror and feel good about it.
Speaker 1: This is really, this is what's beautiful about this conversation,
Speaker 1: because that's YouTube. When I when I like, when I
Speaker 1: see her, when I see her posts right, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know amazing, right, I'm like, geez, I go, I
Speaker 1: wish I could that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to look at those photos for me.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's crazy with you two, because you know, you guys
Speaker 5: make a living to some degree off your looks, like
Speaker 5: you're you're good looking.
Speaker 1: At it's we feel and think the exact same thing
Speaker 1: because objectively, when I look at you and then I
Speaker 1: and I see your videos and I'm like, god, this guy,
Speaker 1: it's like he just fucking has everything together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so smart.
Speaker 1: Remember, there's charisma. It's like a it's a it's a personality, right.
Speaker 1: I mean that's why this this conversation is awesome for
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, yo, like you feel the same thing,
Speaker 1: you feel the same thing. We all have our.
Speaker 4: I thought you guys have other problems. I'm shocked at this.
Speaker 1: This is no no, no, no no. I mean I mean
Speaker 1: daily I wake up and I have to hug him
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm worth this man, yeah, right, Like
Speaker 1: and if these dogs are like I think, sent to us,
Speaker 1: because then he comes up to me like certain days
Speaker 1: like when I'm like I don't even want to get
Speaker 1: out of it because I'm I'm a piece of poop, right,
Speaker 1: and then he'll like lay on me, and I know
Speaker 1: I'm sulking.
Speaker 2: When my dog has come over to me to sit
Speaker 2: with me, I'm like, oh, I guess I'm I need
Speaker 2: to go take a lap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't allow myself.
Speaker 5: I have that feeling, but it goes away and like
Speaker 5: you know, I just say nope.
Speaker 1: You know, and I clear it instantly.
Speaker 5: But I know that feeling where it's like I'm worthless. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I still suffer from like imposter syndrome, you know,
Speaker 5: And it's like it's weird, but I do you know,
Speaker 5: like it's like, why am I here, and it's like, well.
Speaker 4: Because you're invited, you know.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, so yeah it's weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird being a human. Huh.
Speaker 1: But thank you, Tony, Yeah, thank.
Speaker 2: You so much for coming on, taking time out of
Speaker 2: your day to come sit.
Speaker 4: With us, you know, anytime. It was great. It's a
Speaker 4: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I appreciate you.
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