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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know front of House, Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Uh, and this

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Speaker 1: is stuff you should Know. Chucks Chant just a couple

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Speaker 1: of drag queens hanging out and chop. We should say

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Speaker 1: Chuck and I are both in full drag right now.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, you did a nice job with the

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Speaker 1: the hair, the wig. I like, thank you. You find

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Speaker 1: it big. You know you can't get too big if

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Speaker 1: you're a drag queen. I'm a little more fishy than glamour.

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Speaker 1: The lashes are nice, and I noticed, keeping with the

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Speaker 1: tradition set by Julian Eltinge, your hands are quite feminine.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm holding them in a very feminine manner.

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Speaker 1: Well done. Thank you. There powdered just right. The knuckles

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Speaker 1: aren't his hair easy usual? And I like your campy drag.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I had no idea that your forearms are

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Speaker 1: so big and that you had an anchor tattoo. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And if you notice my crotch, ah, you won't notice

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Speaker 1: anything smooth as a ken doll. That's right. It's taped

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Speaker 1: and tucked. You're wearing a gaff a, so that's really

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Speaker 1: all you need to know. I went online and I

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Speaker 1: looked up how to how to make a gaff or gaffs.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think I understand what this is,

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Speaker 1: but I need to find out. And I saw a

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Speaker 1: YouTube tutorial by a drag queen how to make one

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Speaker 1: out of um, like an underwear waist band, like an

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Speaker 1: elastic band and a tube sock cut on either end

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Speaker 1: so it's open okay, and you just slide the tube

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Speaker 1: sock or no, you slide the elastic band through the

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Speaker 1: open tube sock and uh step into the elastic band,

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Speaker 1: right because it makes two holes that way sure for

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Speaker 1: your legs. And then I guess it's everything gets real compressed. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's great. I used duct tape. It's a little more uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to use your method for them for that

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Speaker 1: video too, But yeah, it looked like it looked cheap, easy, quick,

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Speaker 1: and as comfortable as that kind of thing can be.

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Speaker 1: So people, if you were not one that reads titles

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Speaker 1: to podcasts and you just say, you know, I'm and

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Speaker 1: just hear what's going on, we're talking about drag queens

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Speaker 1: and it has an interesting history and it's an interesting culture,

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Speaker 1: and we like to cover those things. So let's do it. Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: this is a Conger article, Yes, Kristen Conger from stuff

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Speaker 1: Mom Never told You. Yeah, and she did a really

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Speaker 1: good job, like kind of tracing the history and like

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Speaker 1: really getting into the culture of of drag queens. And um,

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Speaker 1: it turns out that there is a considered father of

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Speaker 1: drag queens, although he went to great pains to um

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Speaker 1: suggests that he wasn't gay. That's because he was totally gay.

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Speaker 1: I think so, Like I noticed she used the she

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Speaker 1: pointed out that he's a bachelor. Yeah. I looked up

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Speaker 1: more on that. It was often rumored that he were

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Speaker 1: talking about who he mentioned earlier with the hands do

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Speaker 1: Lean Eltinge Lteinge and uh born William Dalton. And this

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Speaker 1: is early twentieth century. And he made a big, big

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Speaker 1: name for himself dressing like a lady. Yeah, performing in vaudeville. Um.

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Speaker 1: He started out, I guess as a Vouldville performer, but

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Speaker 1: then he he was in a play called The Fascinating

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Speaker 1: Widow in nineteen eleven. Apparently the ladies loved him, loved

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Speaker 1: his drag because he was just really good at it.

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Speaker 1: And um, from there he ended up with he ended

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Speaker 1: up on screen in films, sponsorship deals. Yeah, he apparently

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Speaker 1: were fan magazines dedicated to him and like dressing up

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Speaker 1: as women zines, multiple znes Yeah, at least three. Um

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Speaker 1: and uh. He performed for King Edward the Seventh of

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Speaker 1: And and again he he went to great links to

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Speaker 1: be like, look at me, I'm a guy. See I'm

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Speaker 1: smoking cigars and I'm fishing. Yeah, but i'd like, I said,

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Speaker 1: I looked into it more. And apparently he would. Um,

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Speaker 1: he would attack people in the audience sometimes when they

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Speaker 1: would yell out derogatory terms about his masculinity, and he

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Speaker 1: a lifelong batchelor. So I think that probably meant that

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Speaker 1: he was gay, right, which is fine because as a

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Speaker 1: cross dresser, you can be gay or straight, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You might transgender, doesn't matter. Yeah, they're all different stripes

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Speaker 1: of people who like to put on the opposite clothes

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Speaker 1: of whatever their gender is, because they are kings as

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Speaker 1: well and perform on stage. It's just you know, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's a lighthearted, fun thing, right. Well, that's the whole

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Speaker 1: It wasn't always though, Um. There was a very long

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Speaker 1: seriously in dramas um in Greece. In ancient Greece, it

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Speaker 1: arose out of the Rites of Dionysus, which were performed

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Speaker 1: almost exclusively by women. And then but once it was

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Speaker 1: this to our attention. No go over there because it's

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Speaker 1: too dangerous here right, very interesting, uh. And in the

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Speaker 1: But King Charles called the bluff of all the performers.

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Speaker 1: He was like, you know what, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: And the guys were like, but but but we fine,

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Speaker 1: we really like this. Yeah, And well what happened to

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Speaker 1: they were no, they weren't exactly they were not fishy

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, they had a cross dressing law,

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Speaker 1: can't even put in the same thing. It's like it's

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00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: like Dolly Partners at Brown all right. So in order

424
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: to kick it up a notch, they had to start

425
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: taking more care with their appearance. And the first step

426
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: if you're interested in giving this a shot and you're dude,

427
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: is to shave. That's a pretty good first step if

428
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: you're going yeah, yeah, as close as you can get.

429
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: If you're doing camping, you might not necessarily have to shave. Yeah,

430
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: that's true. Like I could get up there with my

431
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 1: beard and be thoroughly disgusting as a woman, just kind

432
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: of hump there without moving your arms. Um. The next

433
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: thing you need to do is you need to apply

434
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: lots and lots of makeup and a traditionally a tradition

435
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: called beating your face or beating your mug, and that's

436
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: what they call it in the in the drag community.

437
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: That's really like a lot of cosmetics you want to hide,

438
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: like heavy jawlines and stuff like that, and just slather

439
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: it on. Basically, the more the better, depending on what

440
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: you're going for, of course. Well yeah, I mean, if

441
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: you're going like real feminine, you gotta be careful. You

442
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: can just take it on, you have to take some skill.

443
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: I would think that's right. Um. And then the tuck. Yeah,

444
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: the tuck. We talked about the gaff. You can also

445
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: use tape. Um, I guess you could also talk if

446
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: you're just gonna walk like a penguin or whatever all night, yeah,

447
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: or like Buffalo Bill right yeah, or um I think

448
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: a scary movie too. When one of the Wayne's brothers, like,

449
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: there's a shot of like the waist up, he's like,

450
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: he has his arms out like he's showing off a short.

451
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you guys think, tucked or untucked?

452
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: And then they pan out tucked. That's just likes pressingge ey.

453
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: But it's like, um on tucked. I didn't see those movies.

454
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: That sounds funny though, Oh those were surprisingly funny. Yeah,

455
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: I like the Spoop movie. I just sort of grew

456
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: out of him after Airplane and and uh, the Naked

457
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: Gun movies. I didn't really see a whole lot of

458
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: them after that. They're good, um, at least the first four.

459
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: So after you've done your tucking and you're taping and

460
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: you're all fit down there, um, you might want to

461
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: add some breasts. It's probably a pretty good idea. You

462
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: can add silicone all those they can be expensive. And

463
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about implants, talking about a silicone implant

464
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: that you would like put in a brazier, right, or

465
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: there's ones that adhere to your body and like like

466
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: your body temperature adheres them to your body and they're

467
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: really well that's what this article says. I don't know,

468
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm in the fake breasts. I didn't

469
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: notice that part that sounds gross. Yeah, she's saying. Congress

470
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: says that, like these things are like a couple of

471
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for like the really good ones that are

472
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: really realistic. So I imagine again, if you're going fishy,

473
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: it probably just it takes a lot more time, a

474
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: lot more effort, and a lot more money to to

475
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: be a fishy drag queen, I would say, So it's

476
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot easier just to you know, be campy and

477
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: look funny and uh. And then of course the name

478
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: is a big, big part of the culture. Um generally

479
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: the names are it's sort of like Art Simpson's prank calls,

480
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, like uh, Amanda hugging kiss. Yeah, exactly. Most

481
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: of the names are like that. Um let us yea

482
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: head to let us. I looked up some some of

483
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: my favorites Madam Ovary, good one, uh, Jean Pool, and

484
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot of obviously a lot of times too it's

485
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: toying with the fact of the gender and stuff like that. Uh,

486
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: Wilma balls Drop, good Lord tests tossedone and uh then

487
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a nice clean one for everyone out there, Della Coateessen.

488
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: That's nice. Those are just a few of the funny ones.

489
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: That's like a throwback to the vaudeville and drag drag

490
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: shows were family friendly. That's right, good clean point um

491
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: still get clean fun delicates Wilma balls Drop. But the

492
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: name is a big part of it. You know, coming

493
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: up with a great name can really like that just

494
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: kicks it off, right, because when you're announced, if it's

495
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: a great name, the audiences tickled from the very beginning.

496
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: If it's a bad name, they're like, oh God, what's

497
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: this gonna be? Right? Yeah, so what are you doing

498
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: this for? Chuck? Well, there's all different kinds of things. Um,

499
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: A regular drag performance that I've been to is either

500
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: lip sinking or actually performing like karaoke style on stage,

501
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: one after another, and there's usually an m C and

502
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: drag handling the whole show, right, and it's basically like

503
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: just you know, stage performance singing. But they can also

504
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: like get real gigs well yeah, or um being I

505
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: guess kind of a party promoter, just kind of circulating

506
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: around a party, like keeping everything light. What's more fun

507
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: than hiring a drag queen to come to your party

508
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: and just kind of lighting things up. I think that's

509
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: a great idea, you know. Yeah, As Rue Paul said,

510
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: the whole point is to not take life too seriously exactly.

511
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: So when you have somebody dress as a woman not

512
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: taking life too seriously, your guests are probably going to

513
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: lighten up a little bit too. If you have like

514
00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: somebody wandering around saying I'm head a lettuce, right, you know? Yeah? Yeah, um.

515
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: And then we can't not mention Australia because for some reason,

516
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: even though Australia is the center of masculinity on the planet,

517
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: it's rife with drag queens thanks to a particular movie.

518
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Is it because of that or was that already a

519
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: thing and they just highlighted that. I wonder I took

520
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: it that it was the that the movie was its

521
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: own thing, just created this huge cult following that has

522
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: basically put Australia on the map. Priscilla Queen of the Desert,

523
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: of course, is the movie. Yeah but you've seen right, Yeah, yeah,

524
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: it's a good movie. Yeah, very good movie. And I

525
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: can't I've seen parts of like too Wong food, Thanks

526
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: for everything to I never saw that one. Something about Swayzy.

527
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: I just couldn't get sway Wesley Snipes. Yeah, like Guy Piers,

528
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: perfect swazy, Holy cow. Guy Pierce is one of the

529
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: ones in Psilic Queen of the Desert. I didn't know that.

530
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: Who was anybody else that is the star? Now? Well? Yeah,

531
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: it was definitely Guy Piers and Hugo Weaving from The Matrix,

532
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah wow Mr Anderson, Yeah, actually he was a

533
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: Mr Anderson, he was whatever his name was. And then

534
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Terence Stamp of course, a legendary Terence Stamp. And it

535
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: was the Adventures of Priscilla, Queen in the Desert. So

536
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: if you're looking for it on Netflix or whatever, you

537
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: should watch it. It's a fun movie. And Terence Stamp

538
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: and dragons like that's something else. He's the LIMI you know, right.

539
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: So ultimately, what you're trying to do is get a

540
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: job in a movie about drag queens or to become RuPaul.

541
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: That's true. And they have apparently a show last year

542
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: in Australia reality show where they're drag queens are taking

543
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: that same journey that they did in the movie, and

544
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: it's on TV now apparently, though there's not a lot

545
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: of money. I think you do it for the love,

546
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: for the adoration. Of course, there was a study of

547
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: drag queens down in Key West, which is like drag

548
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: Queens Central. If you've ever watched CNN's New Year's Eve broadcast,

549
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: it's like all drag queens down there. It's crazy. Yeah,

550
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: and then they dropped like a drag queen in a

551
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: giant high heel, I think is what they do really

552
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: instead of like that they um. But they did a

553
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: study of drag queen's down in Key West and they

554
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: they averaged about two hundred bucks a week. So they're

555
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: doing it for the love. People tip them. Yeah, and

556
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: I think probably every drag queen out there spends way

557
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: more money than they're making, you know, hosting and doing

558
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: gigs like that. So we mentioned Rue Paul, Yeah, we

559
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: did not mention May West. No, Well, she apparently took

560
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: a She based her character or her persona on a

561
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: drag queen named Bert Savoy Okay born Everett Mackenzie. So

562
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: that's weird. Here's drag queen, but he changed his name

563
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: to another male name. Anyway. Um, he had a very

564
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: familiar catchphrase, you must come over, and she took that

565
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: and turned it into come up some time and see

566
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: me and people out there going no jokes, just noted

567
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: it's why don't you come up and see me sometime? Yeah,

568
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: you're wrong. Yeah, that's a misquote. Yeah. And similarly, Eastwood

569
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: based his throaty voice on Marilyn Monroe. Shut up, swear

570
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: to god, what do you mean his throaty voice? He

571
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: based it on her. He didn't really talk like that.

572
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: He that's like he talked like the generic teenage cash

573
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: here from the Simpsons. No, he he said, as far

574
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: as Uncle John's bathroom reader, his voice on Marilyn Monroe.

575
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that he said that crazy. All right, Should we

576
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: mention a few of these famous drag queens. Yes, Danny LaRue.

577
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: If you're in England and you're not into Eddie Wizard,

578
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: then Danny LaRue is probably your guy, or at least

579
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: until two thousand nine when he sadly passed away. Yeah,

580
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: but he was big back in the day and like

581
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties, seventies, Yeah, Yeah, earned a lot of money.

582
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: Doris Fish neither Australian huh um, who moved to San

583
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: Francisco and wrote and starred in the film Vegas and Space.

584
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: Have you seen that of you? Cult film? Apparently not

585
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: about cults. It's just like has a cult following. Uh

586
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: and sadly he died of aids in Divine of Course.

587
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Anyone who's a John Waters fan, or should we say

588
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: a Harris Millstead fan? I didn't know that wasn't his

589
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: real name, Harris Glenn Milstead. I didn't either, Um. Divine

590
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: was John Waters one of his favorite people to put

591
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: in his films and did some kind of gross things

592
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: in earlier movies like Pink Flamingos. What what did she

593
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: do with dog poop? I ate it? I believe I'm

594
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: not mistaken. But Divine of course made her biggest role

595
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: in Hair Spray as Edna Turnball turned Blad and that's

596
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: who Chon Travolta played in the musical version. I didn't

597
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: know that. Did you ever see it? No? It's an abomination?

598
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Is it? Really? It's pretty bad? Where did you see it?

599
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: It's a movie, you know? Oh? Yeah? They did Hair

600
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Spray on Broadway and then they turned the Broadway show

601
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: into a musical and bold to start in the movie

602
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: version of the musical. Okay, but wait where did Divine

603
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: star in the movie? Right? Hairspray the original Hairspray before

604
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: it was a Broadway music So they did a movie,

605
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: turned it into a musical, and then turned the musical

606
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: into a movie. Yes, and his mind bending very much.

607
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: There's Dame Edna. Not a fan? Oh no, now are

608
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: you thought she was pleasant? Uh? Yeah, I'm not a

609
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: big fan, but that is definitely one of the more

610
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: famous and I think who played him, Barry Humphreys, another Australian. Yeah,

611
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: but wasn't he also keen to say like I'm not

612
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: a drag queen. Yeah, she was a character that he

613
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: played and he didn't consider it like drag um. And

614
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: she's retired wolf all right, I just showed Josh a

615
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: pig Church revolta in that movie. She's uh, why had

616
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: stopped that? She's she's retired As of two twelve, there's

617
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: Dame Edna has moved off to Florida. I guess, all right,

618
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: anyone else Lady Bunny, who's Lady Bunny? Lady Bunny is

619
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: uh Jill of all trades Congress, says a multi talented comedian,

620
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: DJ and actress. She um founded Wigstock. Oh I've heard

621
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: a wig Stock. See here's a picture of Lady Bunny

622
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: and she's got a huge wig, which is awesome. Yeah yeah, yeah,

623
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: no Wigstock's and Wigstock is no longer either. That ran

624
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: for about a decade I'm sorry, two decades. Five Yeah,

625
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: right on the nose. So that's drag queens. Go see

626
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: a drag show if you've never done. If you're visiting

627
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: New York in the big city, you've never been, and

628
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: you're from oh, I don't know, Kansas. You don't even

629
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: know you're going to New York. Man, Like, sure, the

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Speaker 1: drag show I went to is in Savannah. That's a

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Speaker 1: huge dragtown. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I'm just staying. If

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Speaker 1: you're busy, if you're visiting the big city for the

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Speaker 1: first time, go check out a drag show. Be open minded,

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Speaker 1: have some fun, have a drink, and it's it's a

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Speaker 1: good time. Yeah. I mean, that's why we didn't really

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Speaker 1: describe them much, because you kind of got to see

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Speaker 1: him for yourself. Well, and you never know what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get. It could be terrible or it could be

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Speaker 1: great exactly. Yeah. Uh. If you want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about drag queens, you can type those words into the

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Speaker 1: search bar at how stuff works dot com. And uh,

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Speaker 1: since I said drag queens, that means it's time for

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Speaker 1: a message break. Now it's time for listening. Now good,

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Speaker 1: because we're actually going to give advice to this kid. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it should be good good advice or I don't know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I think we should just wing it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: guys and Jerry. First off, I'm a huge fan and

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Speaker 1: um about to graduate after five long years at the

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Speaker 1: University of Washington in Seattle. Go Huskers, Huskies. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: Instead of getting a degree in something practical that would

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Speaker 1: set me up for a great job like business or engineering,

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Speaker 1: I follow my interest, which I think is great by

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Speaker 1: the way, and I will be getting a b A

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Speaker 1: in Spanish and a b s. In astronomy and physics.

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Speaker 1: That being said, guys, I'm about to graduate in five

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Speaker 1: weeks and I really have nothing lined up for When

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Speaker 1: I entered the quote real world, can you send me

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Speaker 1: some money. I know I want to go back to

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Speaker 1: school eventually for something involving education, but I was curious

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Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions or advice of what I

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Speaker 1: should do in the meantime, I'm a little stressed about it,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, So I thought I would turn to

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Speaker 1: the duo that never leads me astray. And this is

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Speaker 1: owen Ah and he says it's pronounced something like capus.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, owen capis, but it just felt

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Speaker 1: this has got a lot of consonants in it. Let

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Speaker 1: me see. Jeez, Yeah, so that's kepis apparently, so owen

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Speaker 1: um advice. Of course. The first thing I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: is travel, and probably Josh too, because it's always good

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Speaker 1: after you finish college to get out there and see

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the world, because it might inform

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Speaker 1: your decisions in life. You might open you up to

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Speaker 1: something you might want to do. I have some job advice, okay,

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Speaker 1: I would say, just like college, follow you or passions.

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Speaker 1: So if you find if you think about it, like wow,

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Speaker 1: I really really am hardcore into Spanish, figure out something

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: to use that, some way to use that. Or astronomy.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty narrow use of that, but you never know,

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00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: like if you, uh, there could be a company out

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Speaker 1: there that loves employing astronomers. Just has him sit around

681
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: all day in about astronomy. If he's into education, eventually

682
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: you could go get a job at a science center. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh work with a big telescope and a planetarium

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Speaker 1: and to like and entertain school children. But if you're

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Speaker 1: studying Spain, dude, and you have some time Spanish, I

686
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Speaker 1: would say, go to Spain. Sure, get a ticket, go

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Speaker 1: to Spain. Check things out. Falling love might decide on

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Speaker 1: a job. You might just eat some good pie and

689
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Speaker 1: have a good time and go home and be broke.

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Speaker 1: I say, get a job, hippie, but make sure it's

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Speaker 1: a job you love. Yeah. I mean that's the point

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Speaker 1: to me. It's like that's what we both did. We

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Speaker 1: figured out what we loved and wed hard laid them

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Speaker 1: into jobs. You know, yeah later in life as well.

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Speaker 1: So kids, you don't have to um, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to have it all locked down right after graduation. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also Owen. One thing that I've learned is that

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Speaker 1: you don't you almost never use the actual degree that

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Speaker 1: you major the like, it's almost never applied to the

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Speaker 1: actual job you get. I don't know, I'll think about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm an English major, right, I was a history major.

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Speaker 1: That's nothing to do with my job at the time,

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Speaker 1: hired as writers. Right, yeah, okay, I see your point.

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Speaker 1: But so like, there was a guy I can't remember

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Speaker 1: who was the NBC chief that Seinfeld used to like mock.

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Speaker 1: He actually um became like a character when they were

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Speaker 1: trying to sell the TV fell in love with Elane.

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Speaker 1: That's a real guy. And he actually was like the

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Speaker 1: head of NBC for a while. Yeah, and like NBC's

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Speaker 1: hey day, he did a beautiful job of like picking

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Speaker 1: shows and stick him with them and steering him. And

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Speaker 1: that was when NBC was dominating. He had a degree

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Speaker 1: in psychology that had nothing to do with it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but don't you think psychology helped him with dealing with

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Speaker 1: you know, high powered people And no, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: What did it? He was doing what he loved and

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Speaker 1: hence what he was good at. And if you do

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Speaker 1: that you will always succeed. Well, you know what, unless

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Speaker 1: you're a philosophy major. You sold me all right, So

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Speaker 1: that was from Owen. Thanks for that. You're awesome. Let

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Speaker 1: us know what you do. Like follow up, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to know, Owen. Yeah, if you go to Spain, they'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear about it. Or if you get a job,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about it. All right, how old

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Speaker 1: is he? H? Five years so it's probably like three yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably somewhere in there. Whatever you do, Owen, good luck.

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Speaker 1: But if he's like he didn't be failed to mention

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Speaker 1: that I got a late start. I worked in a

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Speaker 1: factory for twenty years. You don't go travels Spain. Yes, uh,

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Speaker 1: if you want some advice for me and Chuck Man,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna open a floodgate, I think, Chuck Sure. You

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