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Crimes tories with Nancy Greece. 30 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to believe it at first when 31 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: they called me, you know, I thought maybe, uh, you know, 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: she was just burned just a little bit, you know. 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Uh didn't uh didn't. I couldn't imagine the scale it was, 34 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, And I asked Barril, was she okay? And 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, and he got real solid and uh he said, no, Ben, 36 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: she she was not. And that's when my whole world fail, 37 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: you know. He uh told me he wouldn't tell me 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: actually where it was at. Do you want me to 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: stay there at the house and to share and him 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: come to my house? In about five minutes they was 41 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: at the house and uh, he told me, you know, 42 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: how bad she was burnt. And they was flying her 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: to Memphis. And a matter of fact, when we were 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: standing out in the yard, to helicopter come over to 45 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: pick her up. And so I took off to Memphis. 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: We beat the helicopter to Memphis, which is only about 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: fifty something miles from my house. We'd beat We beat 48 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: the helicopter there, you know, And I was just steady, 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: prey in the lord. It should be okay, you know, uh, 50 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: and what you know, just begging her. Well, when I 51 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: got to the hospital, of I didn't even know park 52 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: my vehicle. You have to, you know, pay to get 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: in the park. I just parked in the middle of 54 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: the street, took off running in the hospital or whatever. 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: And of of course when I got in there and didn't 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: nobody know nothing about it or anything. You got to 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: get a badge. And and then and finally I asked 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: my said, where's the Burns Center or whatever? Where is 59 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: the part of the Burns Center? And you know, they said, 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: well as upstairs down the hallway. And I just took 61 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: off running, you know. And a matter of fact, I 62 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: went in places I wasn't supposed to be, you know, Uh, 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: trying to find her. They didn't even know nothing about it. 64 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: And of course then they started calling around and they said, well, 65 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: wait a minute, the helicopter's landing right now, you know, 66 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: and uh and we had to wait, wait, wait, you know, 67 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: wait on the doctor and saying like was the attorney 68 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: to you know? Uh and no idea when doctor the 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: doctor come out he shouldn't do before who had in 70 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: the face of overwhelming evidence of guilt against a man, 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us, who was accused in the horrific burning 72 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: death of a beautiful young Mississippi cheerleader. A second mistrial 73 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: has been declared after that Mississippi jury failed to reach 74 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: a verdict. We want justice. I Nancy Grace, this is 75 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You are 76 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: hearing me speak to Jessica's dad, ben On hl n 77 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: In joining me right now. It's a very critical piece 78 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: of the uzzle. This is Jessica's mother joining us. Lisa Chambers, 79 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, thank you for being with us. Miss Chambers. 80 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: You have no idea how many thoughts and prayers have 81 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: been lifted up for you and your family throughout this 82 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: horrific ordeal. When you learned this jury had mistried. What 83 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: was your reaction? Unbelievable? Um hm, how can you looks 84 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: and evidence and it's it's right? They are uh, I 85 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: mean it was perfect. He's guilty. They're so doubt you know, 86 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: Miss Chambers. I recall all the cases I prosecuted, many 87 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: many more more than I can't even remember, and in 88 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: jury trials. I looked to the victims family they because 89 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: if they were convinced, in my mind, they were the 90 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: people of all the people in the world that want 91 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: most to have justice, to put the right guy behind bars. 92 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that you and your family firmly believe 93 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us killed your girl, Jessica convinces me even more. 94 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 1: Even in addition to all the evidence, Miss Chambers, where 95 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: were you when you learned this jury had hung? We 96 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: were in the room at the courthouse, in the family room. 97 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: What happened? They just came and told us that the 98 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: jury was told that we could leave or to beat 99 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: traffic and the al the media just we could claim 100 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: no and we do. Listen, this this go around was crazy. 101 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: I just just go around. Um it was kind of 102 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: crazy at the courthouse. Um yeah, people following you had 103 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: stuff like you know, kind of intimidations, and they wanted 104 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: us to go ahead and come before everybody got out. 105 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: You mean people were following you around the courthouse for what, 106 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: around town, just hollering out you know, frequent um justice 107 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: for quit things like that. Oh, my stars, these chambers. 108 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I did not know that. I am so sorry those 109 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: people did that. I remember trying cases and I would 110 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: leave the courthouse late in the day during a jury 111 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: trial and already be dark, and there would be I 112 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: called it running the gauntlet walking down the courthouse steps, 113 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: and there would be all the defendant's family and friends jeering, 114 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: making comments. And at the time, you know, I didn't 115 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: realize how dangerous that was. It just more irritated me 116 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: than anything else. But there were many times I'd have 117 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: to take a sheriff of escort to the car or 118 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: various techniques. I cannot believe people did that. But I 119 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: won't be intimidated. UM. I want my daughter to have 120 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: justice at any cost. I don't care. Do you think 121 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: this jury has any idea that Quentin tell Us is 122 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: awaiting another murder charge in Louisiana? Probably, um, I'm not sure, 123 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: But I didn't know one of them had watched the 124 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: first two episodes of that Oxygen documentary. That's very right now. 125 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: How do you know that? So we were told, you know, 126 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a shame that you have to wait for 127 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: another jurisdiction to put tell Us behind bars for life. 128 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: But I'm just stunned right now to to rest April 129 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: uh investigative reporter with the Clarion Ledger to rest, I 130 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: had no idea that people were haters were following Miss 131 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Chambers around the courthouse and around town, yelling out jeers 132 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: at her as she's sitting in court every day trying 133 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: to represent her daughter who was murdered. I firmly believe 134 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: by Quentin tell Us. You know, one of the things 135 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: that that happened this time that didn't happen last year 136 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: was that there were people were using the term protesters, UM. 137 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: There were people standing outside the courtroom with signs that said, 138 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: as she said, you know, said frequent. You know, there 139 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: are different things like that that we didn't see before. 140 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what the shift was except for that, 141 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: probably just a continued national attention on this case. UM. 142 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw overall a lot more activity um 143 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: from the community this time, UM that was directed at 144 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: at the Chambers family, and you just can't believe they 145 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: would pick on the victims family. It's miss Chambers. When 146 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: you say you will not be intimidated, what do you 147 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: mean by that? But I won't be intimidated. I just 148 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: won't let anybody stop me from trying to get justice 149 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: from my daughter. Um, I won't let them intimidate me, 150 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: no matter what they say. I don't care. I know 151 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: he's guilty and that's just how it is. Um, They're 152 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: not gonna make me back down. I won't justice from 153 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: my daughter. I didn't get to see her right then. 154 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: You know that. It was a two hours before we 155 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: uh got to go back there, you know, and the 156 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: doctor come out and hey, tell me, Mr Chamber, she 157 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: don't want to say your don rut. Yes, I do anything. No, 158 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: she don't recognizable you know, you know you don't recognize it. Uh. 159 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: You know he said, you've never seen somebody in that 160 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: bad could live as long as she did. She had 161 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: a strong heart, I mean she had and no names 162 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: or nothing, uh where they can even for the I V. 163 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: S in or nothing. You know, Mr Chambers. Did you 164 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: get to speak to her before she went to happen? No? No, no, 165 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: oh man did not Did you get to see her? 166 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: I know? No, she is is if we got ready 167 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: to go into the room or whatever. My sister and 168 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: her mother Lisa walk in the rooms and to see 169 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: they was in there. And maybe about thirty seconds away 170 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: you were hearing me speaking with Jessica's father, Ben Chambers 171 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: on a chill in describing that horrible day he gets 172 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: the call that his daughter had been burned badly, and 173 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: he races so fast he actually beats the helicopter to 174 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: the hospital and never got to say goodbye to her. 175 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a woman I wanted to 176 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: speak to for so long, that has been the focus 177 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: of prayers, thoughts for so long. Now it is Jessica 178 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: Chambers mother Lisa, who has just endured a second trial 179 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: of the men she believes murdered her daughter, burned her alive, 180 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: and she vows she will seek justice on Quentin tell 181 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Us regardless of what this jury did with me. Lisa Chambers, 182 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, again, thank you for being with us this 183 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: Chambers that day. What led up to the moment that 184 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: you discovered Jessica had been burned so badly? Nothing? Really? 185 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: She had been asleep, Um, she left home um around 186 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: five fifteen. I talked to her again about and then 187 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: I got a call from well, excuse me. My son 188 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: went to leave the house at like eight I think 189 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: it was eight thirty two, and Debbie Ben's wife was 190 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: in the driveway collar and come on, Dave sent her 191 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: on fire. And I'm like, said who on fire? And 192 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: she said Jessica, And I said no, I just got 193 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: off the phone with her, and she said, yes, come 194 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: on the chairs at my house. So I rode down 195 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: to her house, which is just probably two hundred feet 196 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: for mine, and they told us that that Gad's been 197 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: settle fire and we got into I wanted to go 198 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: to the country. Day said no, So we've gotten the 199 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: vehicle and to the mad Miss Chambers. Did you get 200 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: to see Jessica before she went to heaven? Yes, ma'am. 201 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Did you speak to her? Could she speak to you? No, ma'am. 202 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: I spoke to her, but she couldn't. She couldn't speak 203 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: to me. What did you tell her? Do you remember? 204 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: I just told her that Mom and that he were there, 205 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: that Daddy was in the waiting room, okay, a little 206 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: to be old baby, and that it was okay if 207 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: she made it to so that she could go that 208 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: moment that he would be okay, Yes, she went, Miss Chambers, 209 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: You're you're bringing back so many memories to me. When 210 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: my dad passed away just recently, everyone my brother and 211 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: my sister and my mom and our around him, and 212 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: everyone was saying, you can go, you can go. And 213 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I was caught up in his ear and went, don't go, 214 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: don't do not go. You gotta stay with me. I'll 215 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: never forget it. She wasn't in social the shape that 216 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: you know you had to tell her she could go. 217 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: I know I was selfish. I was selfish, Miss Chambers. 218 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: I was completely wrong. I just felt like she held 219 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: on long enough to know we were there to hear 220 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: out of the ways and I went through it with 221 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: my stepfather and there was no way. She said. I 222 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: mean I would take her play with any day. I 223 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: know you would. I know you would. Miss Chambers. Just 224 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: breaks my heart to hear you because I know I 225 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know the suffering you've been through. 226 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: Because you know what my fiancee was murdered. I thought, oh, 227 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, I know about pain with my father. It 228 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: was really my soul mate in this world. When I 229 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: lost him, just it was beside myself. But I cannot 230 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: even imagine losing a child. I just can't imagine losing 231 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: my John, David or Lucy, Miss Chambers. Do you feel 232 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: that Jessica has tried to communicate with you since she 233 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: went to heaven? Yes, ma'am. I always I think of 234 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Jessica as a butterfly, um and even in de summer, 235 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: but once she was Sari, I saw a blue butterfly, 236 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: and I see blue butterfly a lot, and it just 237 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: feels comforting like you here. I want to go to 238 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist joining me, which means he's 239 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: not only a medical doctor, but he has studied psychiatry 240 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: as well. Dr Bober, I know you um educated and 241 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: sophisticated and well read, but you probably don't believe in 242 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: messages from beyond. I do. But my question do you 243 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: as not about that? My question do you as how 244 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: does the human mind process not just a loss, but 245 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: a loss so horrific caused by this man? Quentin? Tell us? 246 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: How do you absorb that? Because I can remember after 247 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered, it, I mean months and months 248 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: had passed and I would hold my mother and not 249 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: let her look away, and hold her by the shoulders. 250 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: Ago mother is Keith dead. It's like I just couldn't 251 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: take it in months had passed, Nancy. This family has 252 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: been through more pain and suffering than I can even imagine. 253 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: You know, very often, when you have a loss of 254 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: this magnitude, you know, it doesn't even really set in, 255 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: uh for several months, and you know, and initially you 256 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of support from the community and family, 257 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: but the hardest time is several months later when everyone 258 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: sort of goes back to their own life and you're 259 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: left with that emptiness and that loss. So again, my 260 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers go out to the family and I 261 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: just can't even imagine the suffering they've gone through, you know, 262 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: to Kenyan Johnson joining me Atlanta veteran prosecutor. It's not 263 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: only does a family have to deal with the loss 264 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: in a case like this, and all of them, then 265 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: they can't grieve, it can't um heal because then they've 266 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: got to go through a trial. And the Chambers family 267 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: has now had to go through two trials and it's 268 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: still not over. It's very touching because the family members 269 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: have to hear this testimony over and over again, every 270 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: latest development, every comment. Prosecutors are coming back and keeping 271 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: them up to date, and it's just very alive and 272 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: real and repetitive and hurtful and devastating, and but it's 273 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: necessary for the process of speaking jestive. What about it 274 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: to Andy Patrick vetteran prosecutor out of California, how do 275 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: you help a family go through something like this when 276 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: they've got to relive it for trial? Yeah, Nancy, it's very, 277 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: very difficult, and our our prayers are are with the 278 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: Chambers family. This is one of the most violent methods 279 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: of execution. We'll call it what it is one can imagine, which, 280 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: by the way, is one of the reasons it may 281 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: have hung twice. There are some jurors and I know 282 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: Nancy and Kenya know this, that cannot conceive of another 283 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: human being being able to do this, and it is 284 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: that absolute doubt that is almost overwhelming and causes them 285 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: to not be able to convict even when the evidence 286 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: is equally overwhelming. So to be able to explain and 287 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: talk about that with the victims family sometimes provides at 288 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: least some measure of comfort to really fuel the bravery 289 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: that the Chambers family, and my heart goes out you, 290 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: Mrs Chambers. You are so brave in going through this 291 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: and explaining exactly what happened. And we're also sorry you've 292 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: had to be re traumatized not just once, but now 293 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: twice with the second retrial. But that's the best that 294 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: the prosecutors can do is really explain to the family why. 295 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I've got a question about that too, Miss Chambers. Are 296 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: the prosecutors saying anything about retrying this. I haven't heard 297 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: from them since the day the trial the last day. 298 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: Just when you think crime cannot will not happen to you, 299 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: it does in a flash, and there are no second chances. 300 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: I can't stop predators from coming into this world. I 301 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: can't stop crime all alone, but I can sound the 302 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: warning and I can pass on to you what I 303 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: have learned about keeping you and your family safe. And 304 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: that's why we are announcing a brand new online course, 305 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: Justice Nation, Crime Stops Here. 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Go to Nancy Grace dot 316 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: com and register using promo code Nancy. As part of 317 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: our system of justice, which we all UH fight jealous 318 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: to protect and preserve, every defendant comes in this court 319 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: is entitled to a jury that as conscientious as you 320 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: are about the Jewish rights, and I respect your decisions. Uh. 321 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: You're inability to reach your verdict is not mean that 322 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: you've not done an admirable job, because you the is 323 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 1: uh and this court appreciates it. Song With that, I'm 324 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: gonna send you. I'm gonna declare miss tryal in this case, 325 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: and i want to send you back to your jury 326 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: room and we'll be sending you home very shortly. That 327 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: was Penola County Circuit Court Judge Gerald Chatham, and I'm 328 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: sure he was just being polite, but I don't think 329 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: they did a good job at all. I really don't. 330 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: With overwhelming evidence against Quentin tell Us, who had been 331 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: pestering Jessica Chambers, a young team cheerleader out of Mississippi, 332 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: for sex, all day long and she had been saying no, no, no, 333 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: with cell phone evidence placing the two of them together 334 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: out in a field, and then the cell phones going 335 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: both of them going to the spot where the car 336 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: and Jessica were set on fire. Then video surveillance I 337 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: guess from a neighbor's security camera spotting Quentin tell Us 338 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: and his sister's car going into his driveway where he 339 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: kept a gas canful of gas and a shed coming 340 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: right out in about two minutes, and then heading in 341 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: the direction of the fire. And then after that a 342 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: hitchhiker picking up a man who says his aunt, who 343 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: happens to be a relative of Quentin tell Us, is 344 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: who needs to go to her house because her house 345 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: had caught on fire, combined with the burn marks on 346 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: Quentin tell US's arms and hands, combined with Quintin tell 347 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: Us changing his story time after time, caught in lies 348 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: about where he was that day. I mean, what more 349 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: do you need to prove this case with me? Is 350 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: Lisa Chambers? This is Jessica's mother who is not giving up? 351 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, When you went to the hospital and you 352 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: stood by Jessica's bed in the hospital and you told 353 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: her that you were there, that her daddy was there, 354 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: and that she could go, what was going through your mind? 355 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: Do you even remember just that it wasn't real? But 356 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: it was? Um? How could somebody have been this star? Um? 357 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: That was my baby? Would she would have been pay 358 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: any that? I didn't know what to do? How about 359 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: pick it? Couldn't you just want to do whatever you teen? 360 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: I have now her feel better. There was nothing that 361 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: could be but to tell her that it worked him 362 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: she could go, Miss Chambers, When you went in to 363 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: the hospital room, do you think that she could see you? 364 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: Do you think she knew that you were there? I 365 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: don't think she could see me, but yes I did 366 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: think he knew. Also, why do you say that I 367 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: think she held long until we got just from the 368 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: family was in morning, um, because I was saying him 369 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: when she passed, and I hadn't been there just very shortly, um, 370 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: just long enough to tell her that we were there 371 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: and that it was okay, and then she she went 372 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: right there with me. Send him aside her Miss Chambers 373 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: during this trial? What do you believe went wrong with 374 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: this jury? I believe they heart alot from the Eric 375 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: when I don't think that's what she said at all. 376 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: I think in her state of mind, if she was 377 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: unconscious at one point and driven to another point and 378 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: woke up on fire up against the tree, that possibly 379 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: she thought she had had a wreck, and that maybe 380 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: when she got out and she was trying to tell 381 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: him her name, and they instead of asking what happened, 382 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: they asked who? They just to you? And I think 383 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: she was trying to say, are all right? And they 384 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: got Eric from it. But that's just from Take a 385 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: listen to sheriff Detective Barry Thompson, And I'm not gonna 386 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: gloss over the fact. Did you did you? Did you 387 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: contact Daniel coleby getting statements for first responders? And from 388 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: those statements was there a name that resonated yes? And 389 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: what was that mean? From the statements a lot of 390 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: the firemen had heard what they believed to be Eric 391 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: Gordack and was Eric Gordrick? Initially the thought yes, as 392 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: an investigator, did you close your investigation to only Eric 393 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: Dre's enough? But yes, at first they thought she was 394 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: saying eric, but on the witness stand they clarified she 395 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: was saying where that was interpreted to mean eric. But 396 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: listen to this speech pathologist, Dr Caroline Hickton. It would 397 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: because you have to have the breath pressure first, So 398 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: if the lungs are damaged, there not going to be 399 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: elastic enough to take in the amount of the air 400 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: to allow that to push on through the vocal folds. 401 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: And in the pharyngeal area you said a minute ago, 402 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: exactly what is that? The orangel area is what we 403 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: call our voice box. It's where our vocal folds are, 404 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: our larynx. And if those are damaged by inhalation of 405 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: smoke or fire, would that affect the ability to make 406 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: an articulate sound. Yes, it would. The vocal folds are 407 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: very thin and they're very pliable, and if there's anything 408 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: that attaches to those cords, it's going to keep them 409 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: from moving the way they should. I use my hands 410 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: like this, um, But I tell students all the time, 411 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: you um, the cords are to look like this, But 412 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: if there's anything impinging, like a growth or something hanging 413 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: on the cord, they're not going to close and open 414 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: the way they're supposed to translation. There was no way 415 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Jessica Chambers was able to speak. As a matter of fact, 416 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: the night that we discovered about Jessica's attack, At first 417 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: people believed and it was reported that it was a 418 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: death by lighter fluid. The inside of her mouth and 419 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: her throat and her air passages leading down to her 420 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: lungs looked as if someone had squirted lighter fluid down 421 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: her mouth and center on fire. They were actually charred 422 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: from smoke inhalation and breathing in around a fire. There's 423 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: no way she could have said anything. Many people believed 424 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: when she said which she was trying to say, tell Us, 425 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: We don't know what she was trying to say. There 426 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: is a mountain of evidence indicating proving Quentin tell Us 427 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: was guilty. Miss Chambers, Jessica's mother. What do you think 428 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: was the strongest evidence showing he did this thing to Jessica? 429 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: The cellphone that um and all the video every I mean, 430 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: he was with her on the phones, they're together. It's 431 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: just no possibility way that it was anyone else but 432 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: to Vincent Hill, cop turned private investigator. Vincent, I mean, 433 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. It's fantastical to believe that he's pestering 434 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: her all day long, their cell phones are together, and 435 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: then one hour after they're together, she's dead. And what 436 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: somebody else snuck up in there in that forty five 437 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: minute window and killed her. That's crazy talk, It's crazy, 438 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: and Miss Chambers is right the cell phone data, Nancy 439 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: suggests without a doubt that this was Quentin. And one 440 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: of the things I found interesting at seven six tell 441 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: Us calls his sister and says hey, or he calls 442 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: his girlfriend and says, I'm walking to my sister's house. 443 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: And that route where Jessica was found, there's a cut 444 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: through that would lead to exactly where his sister lives. So, 445 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the evidence was right there, Nancy, I still 446 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: can't believe this jury could not come up with a 447 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: guilty verdict in this case. Miss Chambers, during the trial, 448 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: did you make eye contact with the jury? How were 449 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: they behaving? They were paying at chenchen, I mean it 450 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: seemed like they were paying a kitchen taking notes. Um, 451 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: this fury was much more a chance just than the 452 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: last the first jury. Um, he would have thought that, yeah, 453 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: they would come back. Definitely, what went through your mind 454 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: when they told you that jury hung Oh, I don't 455 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: know if I can even say that, what would they 456 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: hang on? I don't you know. I was just total shock. 457 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean this if it was like a perfect picture, Um, 458 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't have it. I kept I'm still in shocking 459 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: that they did that. I'm just it's unbelievable. Why was 460 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: he down the street? Should have been the jail, you know, 461 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: the crabs. He was committed in the things why he 462 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: was in through that, he should have never been out. 463 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: He only got out of prison in October, and he 464 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: killed my daughter. And the problem you're hearing Jessica's father, 465 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Ben Chambers, just incredulous in shock that Quentin tell Us, 466 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: the man I believe murdered his daughter Jessica, was even 467 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: walking the streets to start with with me right now 468 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: reacting to the jury's mistrial is Jessica's mother and Lisa, 469 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: and she is not giving up joining me right now. 470 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Renowned criminal defense attorney Eric Johnson, Eric another jurisdiction is 471 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: waiting on him, Quentin tell Us to try him in 472 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: the murder of another young girl. He had been hanging 473 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: around and pastoring Mandy so in Louisiana a grad student. 474 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: How does the extradition process go? How will he get 475 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: to Louisiana for that trial. Well, the easiest way that 476 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: he can get there is to wave extradition and then 477 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: sign over in the state will come pick him up. 478 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: If you can test the matter. Then the state of 479 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: Louisiana would have to prove to the state that he's 480 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: in right now that they have evident against him and 481 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: charge against him that are valid and a warm for 482 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: his arrest. And once that has proven to a judge 483 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: in the state of Mississippi where he is right now, 484 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: he will be transported over to Louisiana to to rest. 485 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: April Clara Letcher, reporter, What exactly is the nature of 486 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: the evidence against this guy, Quinton tell Us In the 487 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: case of Mandy So's murder, Well, probably the biggest piece 488 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: of evidence he had used her credit cards and has 489 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: been convicted of basically a credit card fraud. They found 490 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: a receipt for seven cents where he went to check 491 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: and see if it worked. I think in addition, they 492 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: have him on video. But I think the biggest thing 493 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: is that they have a witness that I believe will 494 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: testify they were swapping stories of you know, one time I, 495 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, robbed a gas station or something things 496 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: like that. And then quintin one time allegedly told him 497 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: that he had tortured a woman's death for her pen 498 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: number and then taking her credit cards to use them. 499 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: And when you look at the evidence in Mandy's case, 500 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: she was stabbed over thirty times with superficial stabs and 501 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: then once with a fatal stab, and authorities believed very 502 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: much that that's what Quentin was talking about. These two 503 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: murders are separated by only about two five miles and 504 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: eight months. The common link is Quentin tell Us. Mandy So, 505 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 1: a graduate student in Louisiana, apparently had some relationship up 506 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: friend wise not romantic with Quentin tell Us. She was 507 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: there at University of Louisiana at Monroe and cops say 508 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: whoever killed her stabbed her about thirty seven times inside 509 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: her apartment. Neighbors identify Quentin tell Us around her apartment 510 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: that day. Not only that, but video footage shows them 511 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: together at a Walmart the day before. They say that 512 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: tell Us picked up so prescription for a pain killer, 513 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: common pain killer called it lor tab. And we also 514 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: learned the neighbors say they saw tell Us coming in 515 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: and out of her apartment in the days leading up 516 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: to her death, that the neighbors felt quote creeped out 517 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: by tell Us. Then we find out he calls his 518 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: family and gets them to try to use Mandy's a 519 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: T M card at a Chase Bank Okay trying to 520 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: che trying to check the balance in her account. Then 521 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: two calls go to Chase Bank from tell Us his 522 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: phone with her pen. Okay entered into the phone to 523 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: find out the balance. The next day, he asked his 524 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: mother in law's neighbor to take a quote blue Chase 525 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: debit card with a Chinese name on it. So Hso 526 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: to an a T M and get two thousand dollars. Wow, 527 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: I wonder who killed her? So we see the common 528 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: thread emerging, Miss Chambers, of a young girl, a young 529 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: woman who doesn't go along with his plan. In Mandy 530 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: So's case, it was give me your money, give me 531 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: all your money, let me drain your a t M. 532 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: Woe are all kill you? Or with Jessica, he passed 533 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: her for sex all day long. She said no, no, no, no, 534 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: So he killed her same m oh, Miss Chambers exactly 535 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: when you realize that he has killed not one, but 536 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: two young girls. How does that affect you, Miss Chambers? 537 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: Mandy would be alive, Jessica would be alive had he 538 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: not ever gotten out early in the first place. Um, 539 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: it's if they hadn't called him with Mandy. I wonder 540 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: if they had ever caught him at all. How many 541 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: more would there be if somebody, some jury didn't pay attention. 542 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: I have to say there will be more. I think 543 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: he hasn't no conscious, he doesn't, he doesn't care. And 544 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: it's just I can't believe that he's allowed to do this. 545 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: I just don't understand. I can't either, and not either Mischambers, 546 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: how has this what he did to Jessica? And I 547 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: pray to God that the Lord numbed her so she 548 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: did not feel the pain of what he did to her. 549 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: Could you tell our listeners how this horrific crime on 550 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: your baby girl has affected your life. I can't do anything. Um. 551 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't leave my house much anymore. I mean I 552 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: live right here. We're all than like tomad of each other. Um, 553 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: you don't really leave home, you don't. If hart explain, 554 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: we'll leave. I know she's low over here, but there's 555 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: only one home off she's here, so I try to 556 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: stay home. Um, you don't want to go out in public, 557 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: you just because people have to say something and you 558 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: know how to answer, like, how are you today? How 559 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: do you think I am? I'm lost? Um, part of 560 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: my heart's gone. Um, it's just it's just it's like 561 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: part of me is dead. I can't really explain to you. 562 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: You just no longer want to function. I can't be honest. 563 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: I can't, Miss Chambers. What is your most vivid memory 564 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: of Jessica? Just astantly here all the time, get her lot, 565 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: the phone, um, the cheering, her being a flyer, just 566 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: everything about it. I can remember everything, down to the 567 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: safely she made as a child, to the pictures she 568 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: would take sticking her tongue out. I can't remember everything 569 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: about her. It's if not one memory that I don't have, 570 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: remember it all, Miss Chambers. Right now, what is your 571 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: message to Quentin? Tell us he will he won't get 572 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: away with it. I don't care. What's the jury decide 573 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: you won't get away with it. God has the final 574 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,959 Speaker 1: say you can't. You can hide and you can lie 575 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: all people you want to ship? Why he already knows. 576 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, Please know that we are thinking of you 577 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: and praying for you, and if I could take this 578 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: journey with you, I would, but I've learned the hard way. 579 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: It's a road you have to walk alone. And all 580 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: I can say is God bless you. And Quentin tell 581 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: us you are going to rot in hell. Nancy Grace 582 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: Crime Story is signing off. Goodbye friend. M H.