WEBVTT - America Mourns White Supremacy 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.560 Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:05.279 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.120 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:14.480 Welcome home, y'all. This is episode ninety seven, just three 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.960 shy of one hundred of Natal lampid, where we give 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.919 you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. We 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:25.960 are your host, Angelo Rode, Tiffany Cross, and i'll manager Gellim. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.560 What's up, fellow co hosts, how y'all feeling. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.600 Let's get into it. What were talking about today? 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.320 Before we get into it, I just want to remind 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.879 y'all we've got a great, big, important event coming up. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.040 Native lamp Pod will be live next weekend Saturday. 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What are we talking about today, y'all? 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.319 Aside from will be at the CBC Foundations conference coming 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:16.759 up soon, what else we got going. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.840 There's so much happening in the world. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.800 One of the things that I think we should definitely 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.319 get to is this HBCU funding myth which is one 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.840 that has followed Donald Trump since the first administration. So 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.880 hopefully we can talk about that and what they do 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.560 to just shift resources when it's not for billionaires, they 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.240 just move the funding around. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:39.720 Tiff, what's up, Hi? 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.880 There's a lot of heavy things going on, but Angela 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.039 had a really great idea that I'm excited to talk 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.040 about to have Sergio Hudson on the show. Today is 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:56.240 Fashion Week running over the past few days in New York. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.400 Fashion Week is a really big deal for designers, and 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.680 we're not having a flighty conversation about this. We're talking 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:08.280 about the role that black influencers, in black celebrities play 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.320 on brands and how that impacts commerce, what we wear, 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.480 and how it drives opinions. And sometimes we can prioritize 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.040 that thought that white is right, and we wear white designers, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.200 but we may not put our money or our time 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.000 in black designers. So we're going to get into an 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.360 economic but also a social conversation about that. And so 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.120 I'm thrilled that we actually have Sergio Huson joining in 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:35.880 the show, So you guys don't want to miss that, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.720 So stick around for that. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.560 Nice. That's good. That's good, y'all. So speaking on the 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.359 heavy side, obviously, this last week in the country, we 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:49.680 saw a political murder of Charlie Kirk and it's gathered 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.280 a lot of attention and quite the how will you say, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:58.359 difference in reaction depending upon, frankly, the character of the 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.080 person who's responding, and I'd love for us to just 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.880 sort of talk a little bit about what this moment 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.480 means for the country, for us, for our community, and 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.079 give a little bit of reflection on that writ large. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.640 And with that, y'all, we're going to get into this show. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.560 Stay tuned. Remember if you like what it is that 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.800 you hear, we're bringing you everything that we can every week, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.120 week in and week out, as honest, as direct, as 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.120 informative as we can be. And what we ask you 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:35.360 to do simply is to subscribe, rate, review, share, invite 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.560 a friend, and encourage their listenership. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:41.960 I think we should get to Charlie Kirk because something 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.360 that was interesting in the comments, a lot of people 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.400 were saying, I'm fifty nine minutes in and you guys 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.360 haven't talked about Charlie Kirk yet. And so I do 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:55.960 want our audience to understand that the shooting death of 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.760 Charlie Kirk occurred when we were wrapping up the recording 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.640 of this podcast, so we were not aware and that's 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.360 why we didn't get into it. But Angela did have 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.880 a conversation with Michael Harriet, whose book is almost two 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.200 years old and remains on the New York Times bestseller 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.760 list Black af History, in her solo pod, where they 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.960 didn't necessarily focus solely on Charlie Kirk, but talked about 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.520 white violence. And I think that is an important part 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.600 of this conversation today, Angela. Where can they find that 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.600 if they could want to check that out. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.680 So all of our podcasts are available anywhere you get 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.480 your podcasts, including our YouTube channel, So all of our 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.119 podcasts can be found in the same place. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.359 Yeah, Tiffany, I'm glad you raised that because, in truth, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.159 for the benefit of our audience, we did actually communicate 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:54.159 after the news broke of the murder of Charlie Kirk 0:04:54.360 --> 0:05:00.800 there in Utah, and my reaction when we had finished 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.160 in rap recording and then learned about what it occurred, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:08.640 was obviously immediate, you know, regret, you know, to see 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.279 you know, political violence kind of making the kind of 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.200 return that we've seen it make in the past several 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.600 months and years. Just think a couple of weeks back, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:25.520 the killing assassination, political assassination of political leaders who in Minnesota, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.479 who had served faithfully their state for many, many years, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.760 decades in cases, and had their lives just snuffed out. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:38.080 And so of course my immediate reaction being just deep 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.080 regret about that, and that I think our humanity has 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.839 to triumph over most things, hopefully everything, and situations like 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.640 this that you can vehemently disagree with the person and 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.280 find their belief system, you know, back age and backwoods 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.520 and still not rejoice, you know, at an event so tragic. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.600 But I did also like that I was glad that 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.800 it didn't happen, you know, while we were in the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:09.359 episode and knew about it, because I'm not sure that 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.039 I could have you know, I would not. I can't 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.760 feign mourning. I can certainly be honest about the loss 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.400 of a life, and how tragic that is, certainly to 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.760 a husband and father. For a husband and father leaving, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.240 you know, their young kids behind, they have every expectation 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.359 to grow up with their dad. A spouse who you know, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.000 has every intention of spending their lives with their partner. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.960 So at a human level, I can get it, but 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.320 I didn't necessarily trust that I could in the moment 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.240 really discount all the things that I know, all the 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.560 things I've heard, all the things that bring me to 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.559 such vehement disagreement. I hope that I could have trust 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.960 my trusted myself to to balance all of that. But 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.920 I'm not all the way certain My regrets still exists, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.359 and prayers for their family as they they deal with 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.919 it can exist at the very humane level. And what 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:06.279 can also exist, or rather coexists, is that I still 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.400 very much so disagree with his words, and I think 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:16.320 the legacy that his words will will leave, and my, my, my, 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.680 my hope would have been that he would have had 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.960 the benefit of living out a long life, certainly one 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.360 long enough where he would have benefited from not just 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.400 age and living, but wisdom that could have controverted you know, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.400 many of the thoughts that he had in his thirties. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.120 I think about myself in my thirties and the stuff 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.560 I said, and the way in which I comported myself 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.040 and the beauty that the gift that age gives us 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.680 is the ability to I think, see more clearly, live 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.520 a little bit more life, and hopefully learn something that 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.160 Heck and my mid forties, I'm not the same you know, Andrew, 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.440 I was in my in my early thirties. But that 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.280 being said, this debate has really taken off, you know, 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.360 almost the two sides of this thing, where if you 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.720 were a sympathizer and a follower of Kirk, you have 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.880 the monopoly on your mourning and monopoly on grief and 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.960 monopoly on sorrow for another human's life being taken, and 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.400 that if you square that with his real lived legacy, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:28.600 what he promoted in life, that somehow you're denigrating to 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.360 him just as you celebrate him for what he said. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.319 At the same token, I can say I disagree, and 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.320 I disagree vehemently with what he said in the danger 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.840 that it brought to so many people. So I just 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.760 I really hate that we're in this moment so ratcheted 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.640 up at the very top, starting with our president of 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.480 the United States, who should have used this as a 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.600 moment to bring people together instead used it as a 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.080 way to divide us further, and even the possibility of 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.360 weaponizing government in a way that they use it as 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.040 a cudgel against their political opponent, not in the vein 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.000 of memorializing Charlie Kirk, but really, you know, with the 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:10.160 intention of amassing more political power and really demolishing their 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.760 political opponents. And there's just something deeply wrong about it 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.280 at every level from my perspective. But I'm interested to 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.440 hear how y'all felt and one learning the news but 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.600 now having taken it in over this last week, how 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.720 you how you how you sort of analyze the state 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:28.480 of where we are. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.640 I would just say, we have a listener question on that, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.760 so if on this topic, so if we could get 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.960 to that as well and then come back, I think 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:36.720 that would be good. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:42.480 Angela is a favorite listener, Amos Cross and Amos Ry. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.720 So seeing any difference in reactions in our community, which 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.160 has been a widespread of different reactions, do you believe 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.480 that this is the time for us to have a 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:56.200 good faith discussion in our community politically? I think eventually 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:00.960 you will have to have one, but it's so who 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.440 and what can facilitate such a conversation. I have black 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.559 friends who are fairly educated at either New Trolley Kirk 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.600 or I actually have one friend who actually worked with him, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.440 and they are all destroyed about his assassination. So do 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.640 we call these people sell offs and just move on 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.520 from them? It's important to talk right because our only gains, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.040 as you know, as a community, has been. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.360 Through the political system. 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.480 And it wasn't because a pack of senators had a heart. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.120 It was because they wanted our votes. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.400 So with how fragmented we are, will. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.120 We ever see political benefits again as a community? 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.160 Have a part tim to the question, but I. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.880 Shall thank you for the question. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.280 I think this is a really tricky topic for me 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.320 because what I have a natural disposition to do is 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:54.440 to protect black people. This shooting occurred, and shortly after 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.800 the shooting occurred, the rhetoric around what happened at Utah 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.920 Valley State, and I'm saying Utah for a reason. I 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.600 would encourage our listeners to go and look up the 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:10.320 demographics of Utah and the demographics most specifically at Utah 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:15.440 Valley State. It was almost immediate that it was the 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:20.000 dangerous left that was far more violent than anybody on 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.440 the right, and the implication was almost that it was 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.120 somebody who was black or brown and not from this country. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.800 The vitriol and the hate field speech and the violent 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.600 speech around that, the number of posts on social media 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.720 that I saw calling for war is the very reason 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.480 why I had the podcast that I did yesterday, because 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.560 there's something in us, and we talked about this that 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.400 is epigenetically tied to the history of that type of 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.400 hate speech, the type of speech that resulted in the 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.280 destruction of our communities, the ones that we set up 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.240 because we wanted to feel safe amongst our own. Some 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:06.680 of those communities also include historically black colleges, which I 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.200 know we're going to speak to later, but some of 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.560 them were on lockdown the very next day after Charlie 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.840 Kirk was killed because they were receiving threats. Just slightly 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:24.480 under a dozen HBCUs received threats, including those that uh 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:30.960 TIFFs Alma Mater Clark right there. There was Hampton, Alabama State, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:36.240 Virginia State, Southern University, and so many others. Spellman and 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.120 went on lockdown, and under us they Esport a specific 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.080 safety protocol. But I'm saying that to say that what 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.560 we have to reckon with in this country, or maybe 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.559 it's day at this point, have to reckon with in 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:53.920 this country is why it is okay to hear about violence, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:58.280 a violent occurring, a violent death occurring, and automatically assume 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.440 that that is on a When you look at the 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:08.880 last several political assassinations, political killings, politically related deaths, those 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.720 have all been done by white people. And so that 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.560 is why we had a conversation about white on white crime, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:20.040 about white violence, about white hatred. While we're talking about this, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.319 we're not talking about the student that was found hanged 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.200 at Delta State University. We don't know all the facts 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.680 around that, but it is certainly earily timed that we 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.200 should call a thing a thing. I think the last 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.760 thing I just want to point out here that I 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.680 also think is violent. We talked about the violent speech 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.320 around war specifically and all that. What also is violent 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.800 in this moment is misinformation. And there were several posts 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.280 going up. One of them I even sent to a 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.760 group of black media friends, like, do y'all know if 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.840 this is true? I can't find anything on it, but 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.320 do you see anything. There were a number of players 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.480 in the NFL who they claimed we're supporting Charlie Kirk's 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.880 family after the death. After his death, and there was 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.040 nobody like going in to correct the record on these 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.319 young folks that they weren't in fact doing that. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.240 If they were, that as their prerogative. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.680 But I find it really hard to believe that someone 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.280 who was so vitriolic and hate Field and calling people 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.560 that we know and love dumb and saying they don't 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.320 deserve to be in position, that they would then go 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.240 and say we're gonna set up these funds and pay 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.400 for his funeral and do all of these things. Maybe 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.760 that's a Christian way I just don't understand, but what 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.840 it ended up being was violent misinformation, and I think 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.160 that's something we also have to be calling out at 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.080 this moment. And I apologize y'all for my voice. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.840 I like a raspy voice. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.520 I love when my voice sounds like that, But I 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.479 you know, I have to say I would have completely 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.960 trusted myself speaking in the moment about Charlie Kirk one 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.000 because my aim is always to inform, and so you know, 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.360 I remember being twenty two on the breaking news desk 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.160 when things happen and you got to like write something 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.960 really quick for an anger. So I would have been 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.720 fine with it. Have been fine because my thoughts have 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.760 not changed from the moment I heard about his death 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.680 to how I feel now. And that is to say this, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.000 I nobody wishes death on anybody. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:13.360 I don't. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:13.720 I don't. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.320 I don't wish for anyone to be killed. And I 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:22.160 also allow space for memorializing who this man was in life, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:27.840 and who he was in life is very apparent when 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.920 we talk about political violence in this country, there is 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:39.200 no debate about where it's coming from. Angeliue, you referenced 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.640 the demographics of Utah, and so I just want folks 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:51.200 to know it is nearly eighty seven percent white in Utah. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:58.040 The student body of Utah Valley University. Is that where 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:04.160 it happened. Yeah, there, they have about thirty six thousand 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:09.040 students who are not of color and then less than 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.840 ten thousand students who are, and they don't disaggregate that demographic. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.520 And so but even without knowing that, like we know, 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.840 Utah's a solid red state, extremely heavily Republican, So none 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.520 of us were questioning about who the shooter might be 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.400 and had we been on air, we would have been 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.880 responsible enough to not speculate about that. And it was 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.640 just surprising to see how the media just immediately latched 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.720 on to whatever the White House said and presented it 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:41.880 out there with very little filter. So it it's discouraging 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.720 when you have to try to tell people you know, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:50.840 verify and the legacy media doesn't even do that. Since 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.520 Charlie Kirk's death, I will say, around around the time 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:59.960 that he was murdered, he was encouraging a lawsuit again 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.520 me for something I said. I don't need to relitigate 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.520 it here, but I spoke about it at length with 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.040 Michael Harriet for Contraband Camp. So I encourage you all 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.160 to look at that interview if you want to see 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.800 what I said. And I stand firm in what I said. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:23.199 I don't speak I try not to speak irresponsibly. But 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.359 the death threats that not just myself, but so many 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:33.480 people in our group chat have gotten have been extremely detailed, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:41.000 extremely provocative, extremely specific. They have said to some of 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.200 our friends, They've named their address, they've named their family members, 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.920 they've named towns where they live. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:48.760 Uh. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:54.240 Someone posted h to their followers when we see Tiffany 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.119 Cross out and about on the streets, make sure we 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.439 treat that dumb bitch like the terrorist she is. Remember, 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.960 the Constitution says we can overthrow a corrupt government, and 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.480 we can also take out any domestic terrorists. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.600 And right now all fake news are terrorists. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:17.800 So the conversation around right wing violence versus left wing violence, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.120 I think is an important one for us to have today. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.520 We are seeing facts are not facts anymore, and we 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:30.440 are seeing the destruction of that and you know various 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.560 You know how sports teams had a moment of silence, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.080 schools in Oklahoma had a moment of silence, And these 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:41.480 things are incredibly corrosive to the moral spirit of people 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.640 who may not have lived through something like this before. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.280 The DJ even scrubbed a study from its website that 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.200 concluded that far right extremism has killed far more Americans 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:59.600 than any other domestic threat. They scrubbed that study within 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:05.199 our words of Charlie Kirk's death. There's a book God's 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.680 Guns and Sedition Far Right Terrorism in America that documents 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.080 how right wing extremism has been on the rise. If 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.520 we look at just the incidents that's happened the past 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.720 few years, from the storing of the US Capital, to 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.679 Nancy Pelosi's husband, to the two state lawmakers, to the 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.880 attempted stabbing of the gubernatorial candidate Lee Zelden. Even Trump 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:33.960 Donald Trump faced threats on his life, the kid, the 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.720 young people, the young staffers at the Jewish Museum. A 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:42.680 majority of that violence comes from right wing I also 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.840 think it's important, Andrew, that when you hear these studies, 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.600 you have to ask, how are these studies conducted? You know, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.560 you might read, you know, according to the Cato Incident 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.879 or according to the Cato Institute. This is, you know, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.440 the data around right wing studies according to cap or whatever. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.040 But I tend to dig into those studies. When did 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.680 you conduct this study? Well, how are you categorizing right 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.959 wing extremism? How are you categorizing left wing extremism. It 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.199 all still leads to the same thing that most of 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.200 this comes from right wing extremists. But I just want 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.640 folks to know. Oftentimes they will categorize left wing attacks 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:23.520 as those motivated by animal abuse, environmentalism, of anti police sentiment, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.440 and we know what that means for black people. When 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.200 they talk about right wing extremism, they are including at 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:35.440 tax motivated motivated by sentiments like white supremacy and anti abortion. 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.120 So as we get into this conversation, I just want 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:43.200 to set that tone with actual information, and just because 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.120 you might quote a study or something, I think it's 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.240 important to know how they gathered that data and the 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.760 story that that data might tell us. But Andrew, I 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.320 know that you too think that we should memorialize him 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.359 using his own words, Oh for. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.000 Sure, which is why that's what we'll do. On the 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.879 other side of this, we'll hear Charlie Kirk and Charlie 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:18.880 Kirk's along the words comparing abortion to the Holocaust. Absolutely, 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:20.440 I am. In fact, it's worse. 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.120 It's worse where these blacks trying to go rob her 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.520 happening all the time in urban America. Prowling blacks go 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.480 around for fun to go target white people. 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:30.159 That's a fact. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.240 Black crime is a major issue in our country. Why 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.040 are you pushing criminal justice reform? 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:35.560 Exactly? 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:39.760 Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Shila Jackson Lee and 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.240 Catangi Brown Jackson, they're coming out and they're saying, I'm 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.399 only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know you 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.320 do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.359 taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.679 person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. Now, the 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:59.320 southern border is, of course the great replacement they're trying 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.840 to replace demographically. They're trying to make the country less white. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.199 It is an anti white agenda. If I see a 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.840 black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.639 Taylor Swift is now engaged to Travis Kelcey. This is 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:18.080 something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:24.360 Reject feminism, Submit to your husband, Taylor, you're not in charge. 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.960 America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.840 forty years and we dropped our foreign born percentage to 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:32.040 its lowest level ever. 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:33.040 Miss Rachel. 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.320 You quote Leviticus nineteen, Love your neighbors yourself. The chapter 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:41.280 before affirms God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters. 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.560 In Leviticus eighteen is that. 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:47.240 Thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death. 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.560 Can we get that picture up, Ryan, of that Marvel's 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.199 Avenger team. Now, I don't know who the person is 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.120 on the left. Is the person on the left that 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.400 tray that came into the interview with Joe the TikTok. 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:05.399 Your government is being run by freaks. Immediately, I have 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.560 like a flashback to a country where weren't able to 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.800 do bud light commercials. What is being trans even mean? 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.560 Does it even is that even a real thing? It 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:19.120 means you need therapy. We must ban trans affirming care 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.040 the entire country. I do think that there is a 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:26.720 direct correlation between someone's testosterone and their politics. On young men, 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.919 the lower their testosterone, the more likely they are to 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:30.520 be democratic. 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.440 So if you had a daughter and she was ten 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.960 and she got rapped and she was going to give birth, 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:37.679 and she would wait, oh, and she was gonna give 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.160 birth and she was gonna live, would you want her 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:44.119 to go through that and carry her baby? It's no, 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.920 but it's a real life scenario that happens to many people. 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.480 Answer is yes, the baby would be delivered. When blacks 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.120 in America did not have the same rights they had today, 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.360 were less, they were less murderous, there was less break ins. 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:56.520 Why is that so? 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.000 I'm sorry, are you trying to say that blacks thrive 0:23:59.119 --> 0:23:59.879 under subjecation. 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.320 I'm saying that I'm asking you the question. The data 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.600 shows they were actually better. In the nineteen forties, it 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.280 was bad, it was evil, but what happened, something changed. 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.879 I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:11.520 going to trust my friends the administration. 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:19.200 So clearly y'all can hear the pure hatred, the indecency, 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:27.240 the inhumanity, the trafficking, and just the most gutterist form 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.800 of not even politics of humanity, you know that we 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.200 have to live with. But I'll tell you I worked 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.080 for a civil liberties organization for the majority of my 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.399 working life, people for the American Way, and part of 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.920 our founder Norman Lear's, you know, real premise was the 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.000 fact that even a Charlie Kirk would we have to 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:52.160 defend his ability to say whatever the hell he thinks 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.280 and believes, even if it is something that we disagree 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:59.000 with vehemently and in truth. The right used to hold 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.280 up the banner. That's you know, these liberal touchy feely 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:12.080 woke what is the other one, the cancel culture? And 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.080 now these are the same people who are attempting to 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.960 regulate what it is that we say, to redefine free 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:23.560 speech as no freedom to speak at all. Let's hear 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:27.520 from our top cop, top prosecutor and what she in 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.280 this administration have to say about. 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.840 That there's free speech and then there's hate speech, and 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:37.240 there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.360 to Charlie in our society. 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:44.120 Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.879 who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people, 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.400 so we show them that some action is better than 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:49.840 no action. 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:55.120 We will absolutely target you, go after you if you. 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:57.480 Are targeting anyone with. 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:01.280 Hate speech anything, and that's across the aisle, you know. 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.720 Love it or hate it. Hate speech unfortunately is still 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.800 projected speech and under the Constitution and by the Supreme Corps. 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.240 But I will say this, there's a lot troubling about 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.040 what Pam Bondi said there, but I was struck first 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:17.880 by her saying we will absolutely, especially after what happened 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.520 to Charlie kurt As if she wasn't around three four 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:28.600 five weeks ago, when legislators were struck down in their 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:32.720 beds practically in the middle of the night, awoken by 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:37.479 right wing extremists coming to kill them, and you know, 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.840 by the grace of God, many other legislators were spare. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.919 So I tell you it'd be one thing if you 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.120 could trust the government to clamp down on quote hate 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.800 speech if they were actually going to do it justly 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.320 and rightly, and go to the people who are actually provocateurs 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.240 of hate speech, because that would mean they'd have to 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:58.119 clean out their own bedrooms first. But I have no 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.840 trust in it. And where I see a going now 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.240 with this Attorney general slash personal counselor to Donald Trump 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.160 is the weaponizing of all of the forces of government 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.960 to include stripping people of their five oh one C 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:19.400 three non tax tax status, organizations, prosecuting presidents of organizations 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:24.200 C three C fours, and then forget about us, y'all podcasters, 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.399 every day folks who are out just demanding justice in 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:32.800 their community, who are now being accused of hate speech 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.399 because they happen to disagree with the people who happen 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.000 to be in government. Now, I wonder does that ring 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.919 alarm bells for y'all? And what warnings do we need 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.840 to give to our community about the win which they 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:48.159 may now use their power to subjugate us further. 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:53.320 You know, the thing that comes to mind is, well, 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.000 it's twofold. One is there's been a lot of conversation 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.560 on right versus left, But I still think this is 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.119 a conversation about white versus white. The reason I'm saying 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:07.760 that is because the Emmet Til Anti Lynching Act was 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.560 just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. Right, This 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.560 was just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. And 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.000 I'm bringing that up to say that the protection of 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:24.160 black people against violent rhetoric and then the violent actions 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.800 that are taken on the other side of that violent 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:33.159 rhetoric was just put into law three years ago. We 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:37.080 have to have the conversation that many have been afraid to. 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.280 I don't think that this is along ideological lines. This 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.520 is a race battle. This is one where there are 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:50.800 governors of progressive, liberal and even moderate democratic states, so 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.440 left states that have flags flying at half mass, or 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.320 that we're flying at half mass in honor of this 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:03.400 man's contributions to society, even when those contributions resulted in 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.400 death threats to people we love, like Tiff. 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.600 I think that is something we have to wrestle with. 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.160 Why is it that someone who can cause such great 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:16.880 grave harm to people who look like us be celebrated 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.600 and given a hero's welcome. Why is it that the 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:26.280 Confederate soldiers, folks who they read about with glory, even 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:30.120 though we know the real story, get celebrated, statues, schools 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.040 named after them, streets named after them, all of the 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:38.280 things that are being talked about someone who frankly utilized 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:44.280 Confederate ideology in his podcast regularly, right, Like, how is 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:49.480 that something that we should protect, honor and lift up. 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.560 I think that that is something that really has to 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.160 be wrestled with in this country, and it is highly problematic, 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.040 and it is absolutely violent. It is the kind of 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.600 thing where it felt like to me we were being 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:06.040 gas lit for the last week literally since we walked 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:09.120 off air on our podcast. I'm just like, what are 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.640 they seeing about this human being that I do not see? 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.840 When I hear what he says, it sounds harmful. When 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.880 I hear what he says, it sounds like, is I 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.760 know it's a lie? You know, like talking about our 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.240 brain processing power? Those are things that they did in 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.560 po genetic studies for years under the guise of medical care. 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.360 The way that they practiced on our bodies and experimented 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.920 on us, All of those things are racist, and those 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.040 are the very things racial eugenics that he's lifting up. Right, 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.120 So anyway, I just it's it's not a right versus 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.000 left conversation. Well, it's a versus white conversation. 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.520 I hear you, I absolutely hear you. I will say, though, 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:55.040 I think it's different saying that a person didn't does shit. 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.800 We don't celebrate or lift up the murder of people 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.120 who happen to that we happen to disagree with it 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.640 will be on the opposite side of us. I think 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.960 that's a hardline. Period enough said, that's my statement there. 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.400 But I also agree with you that this idea, the 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:13.400 honorifics that have been extended by the American on behalf 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:18.520 of the American taxpayer has been mind boggling. I can 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.920 agree that you should not be killed for your political beliefs, 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.440 and at the same time, I can say I do 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.560 not believe that American taxpayer dollars should have been used 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.840 to fly a private citizen's body in an American aircraft 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:40.800 with such dignity and honorifics that were extended by this 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.680 administration that we want to. 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.320 Say issue with political beliefs. To me, what he said, well, 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:48.520 what did you take? 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.840 I do take issue with that. The problem is is 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.560 there are people who disagree as vehemently with the things 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:55.200 we believe. 0:31:55.680 --> 0:32:01.120 But I'm saying what he'spewed, was it political beliefs? They were? 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.240 It was it was it was a political belief to 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.160 the extent that it drove them to the conclusion that 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.160 that is why DEI should not exist, and that is 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.720 why we shouldn't put black people on the US Supreme Court, 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.560 and that is why we shouldn't have black pilots, male 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.880 or female, flying commercial airliners and jets of large proportion. 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.760 So when, when when their racist beliefs lead to public 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:31.160 policy prescripts, then absolutely it's gonna you go hear from 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:36.120 me on all sides of it, because consequentially, I could 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.320 deal with a person who hates me because of the 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.680 color of my skin but don't have the power to 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:41.720 do shit about it. 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:46.760 But I guess what I'm saying different, it's the person looks. 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:48.280 I guess I'm saying, no, no. 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:48.480 No, no. 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.800 I agree that it's not just political consequences. I completely agree. 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.520 I think about Ruby Freeman and her daughter and the 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:59.200 terra that they had to exist and try to survive 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:04.240 through at the hands of the Trump presidential campaign, and 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.920 they're lingering folks, So I get what it means for 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.680 us down deep. But what I'm saying, the reason why 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.640 I where I take exception, where you're going to hear 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.720 from me, is when your belief system, and your disparaging 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.680 belief about me, my wife, my family, the conditions in 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.160 which we live and the values of which we hold, 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.040 is when they lead to a political outcome that then 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:31.360 disenfranchises me, That then creates the permission structure for my murder, 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:33.840 That then creates the permission structure for me to be 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.600 fireful without cause, with no justification, simply because of the 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:38.400 color of my skin. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:43.320 And That's what I'm saying. The ramifications are far beyond politics. 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:46.160 I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying his belief 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:51.480 system is one that impacted nonprofit and philanthropic giving. It 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.719 impacted whether or not there was DEI policy in the 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.320 federal government, in state and local governments, and in corporations. 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.400 It impacted whether or not kids could be admitted to school. 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.600 And sure we can say that even a court decision 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.560 is a policy based could have policy based impacts, and 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.359 is therefore political. But what I don't want to do, 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.200 hopefully in this conversation, is limits this man's rhetoric and 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:21.080 dangerous impact on society to squarely political because it was 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.080 so far beyond politics. 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.600 Well, as a political scientist, politics is again about the 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.560 study of people, so it isn't necessarily derivative of whether 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.359 or not that study has implications on public policy. So 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.640 I understand that you don't want us to talk strictly 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.520 in that vein all the reason I have to say 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:46.560 why I think politics can't even begin to completely encapsulate 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:53.680 the danger. Yes, right, the danger presented. And that's why 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:59.239 his murder matters is because in life, the way in 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:03.360 which he could impact our everyday existence in this country 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:07.840 simply by his utterances as ignorant as as as ignorant 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.480 as they were. Yeah, I think it got JD elected, 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.000 got Trump re elected, got you know, so on and 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:14.480 so forth. 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:18.520 Yeah, I think you I understand your point, Andrew, I 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:23.160 really do. I deeply connect with your point, Angela, and 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.680 I think you both are you know, Angela, you might 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:27.719 be starting here, and Andrew you pick up here. 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.040 But if we're both all. 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.280 Going the same direction in the same lane, I connect, 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.239 I think, Angela with your point deeply because it is 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:37.319 our humanity. 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:39.040 Andrew. 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.040 I think what you're saying is yes, but that policy 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.279 will impact our humanity. I think because I'm looking at 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.480 this strictly through the lens of humanity, I hear you 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.840 Andrew that, Yes, of course we don't celebrate someone's murder, 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.040 we don't uplift it, we don't encourage things like that, 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.480 of course, because we are rooted in humanity. But I 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.600 will be hones this with you. I do not grieve it, 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.440 not for a single solitary second. 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.040 This I grieve it, right. 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:08.480 I don't think any of us gree but I'm just 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.160 saying it's almost getting to the point where it's like 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.759 you have to come out and grieve this. I do 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.960 not grieve it, not for a single second. When our 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:22.840 disagreement is rooted in my destruction, I do not grieve 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:27.160 that death. It was not just Charlie Kirk. I mean, 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:31.359 he is not the martyr here. Tana Hase Coates did 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.640 some amazing thought piece for Vanity Fair, and he did 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:38.600 some really in depth reporting within this thought piece, Crystal Clanton, 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.520 the group's turning point is his group turning point. 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:44.600 USA. She wants texted. 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.719 According to ton of Hakki's reporting, she wants to text 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:48.800 and this is triple facts. I talked to ton of 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:54.279 Haze about this. This is vetted and fact checked. She wants, 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:58.520 texted a fellow Turning Point employee, I hate black people, 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.319 like fuck them all. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.480 I hate black's end of story. 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.160 One of the group's advisors, Written McIntosh, published a newsletter 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:13.440 featuring an essay from a writer that said blacks had 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:17.920 become socially incompatible with other races and black culture is 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:22.160 unfixable and a crime written mess. In twenty twenty two, 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.040 after three black football players were killed at a school, 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.239 Meg Miller, president of Turning Points chapter at the University 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:35.960 of Missouri, quote unquote, joked in a social media message, 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.120 if they would have killed four more niggers, we would 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.520 have had the whole week off. 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:46.960 So this is the ilk of people who. 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:51.719 He followed, who the ruling class is suggesting that we 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:55.279 mourn that we grave when really we were like, so 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:56.800 what's y'all having for dinner tonight? 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:58.480 Like what's everybody doing this weekend? 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.560 You know, it was not this moment of grief for us, 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.640 and I will not be scared into silence around that. 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.359 I think we have every right and if not even 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:15.319 a right, a responsibility to say that's it this is 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:23.080 how we feel. I don't know Andrew what you're talking about. 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.880 There is a pathway to a solution. I think in 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.600 our politics there's a pathway to a solution. 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.320 But the not one that doesn't go through our humanity. 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:33.160 This is my point. 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:37.720 The humanity piece I do not believe has a solution. 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.920 I don't know the solution around that. I don't know 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:43.640 that there is a solution, which is why I deeply 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.560 connect it with Angel's point around humanity right. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.799 Part of where I come from on this about how 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.320 they see my humanity, and it's probably built out of 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.440 the fact that I live in the South. There is 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:00.560 a polite disagree There is a polite understanding that we 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.879 are oftentimes co located walking next to, standing in line, 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:09.239 in front of, or behind somebody who doesn't respect my humanity, 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.239 doesn't believe I deserve what I got and where I am, 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.239 or or would wish me the worst. I almost in 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:20.000 so many cases wish that they could just say the thing. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.160 And part of what I appreciate in sub cases about 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.120 it and Souf is someone will call you a nigger right, 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.960 or will put it on their truck or fly their 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.160 Confederate flag. You know, Hi, you know, loud and proud 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.319 on that said truck to just remind you of where 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:38.520 they think your place is. And so much of me 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.560 has been muted to that. It's like, okay, cool, you 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:45.719 make your way right on back down the street, the 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.080 way it is you live, and what all you've earned 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.560 and accumulated for yourself and for your family. But the 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:55.080 place where it is a non negotiable is when that 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.400 thing starts to then impact where my kids get to 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.440 go to school, how they get to experience their education, 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.320 whether or not they can compete competitively, either for debate 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.600 or for football, base or dance or ballet, whatever it 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.200 is that they choose, whether it impacts my ability and 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:12.640 then compete on the job. And I know that it 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.839 does right because a lot of these people then get 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:18.640 to take those same attitudes into managerial positions deciding who 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.520 gets to then join this part of the workforce. But 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.160 as it relates, I don't want to go on a 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.400 crazy tangent, but I just wanted to say I'm less muted, 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:31.160 I'm more muted to their respect from my humanity, and 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:35.279 I'm much more cinched in this idea of when you're 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:43.120 backwards ass you know, depraved beliefs, really about yourself, because 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:45.680 I know that's what's at the seat of it all 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.560 is the fact that you and I can't compete with 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.560 each other. We're not in the same league. You're absolutely correct, 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.600 and you got four hundred years plus of denigration on 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:59.200 me to have all the levels above. But unfortunately you 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.359 and I found your yourself and real competition, and you 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:04.480 cannot take. 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.280 The heart I'm not competition. 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.479 It's again if we had to be generous with the word, 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:16.920 now you find yourself in competition with me, and you realize, well, 0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.120 what their parents realize is that they're back on the couch. 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.080 That their parents know is they didn't got the jobs 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.000 that they thought that they were going to be given 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.239 off of their quality, which now they are having to 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.759 compete off of the content and the quality, and they 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.960 can't pass the mustard. And so that fury is is 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.279 really a rejection and in reflection of the fact that 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.320 they are not prepared for this moment. 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.240 Yes they're not, but I don't think they've been prepared 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.359 for a lot of moments. But I think that is 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:53.640 the the the overwhelming evidence supports that racist, conservative white people, 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.840 whatever category they fall in, the right wing extremist, maga, 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.440 whatever you want to call them. The truth is they 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.680 do not believe in themselves enough. Because if they believe 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.360 in themselves enough, they would not have to keep the 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:08.200 playing field. 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:09.920 So seesaw so. 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:14.000 Lots of exactly, and so because they don't, while we 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.399 have so much belief in ourselves, we can look at 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.239 this lopsided playing field and say, watch me, hurtle every 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.840 one of these mothers, and I'm gonna go well beyond. 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.600 I'm gonna reach depths that they have not even thought about. 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.960 And that is something that they find infuriating, that they 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.440 cannot coexist with. 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:36.920 And they respond in violence. 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:40.880 And you know the thing I will say about this 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.279 violence that's so scary is I watched the video of 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:49.680 him getting shot through through the neck more times than 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:55.319 I care to admit, in fear because that shot was precise. 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.200 I mean, it just made me sick. 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.840 I was terrified watching that because we all speak publicly. 0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:10.000 And what frightened me about it is in the immediate aftermath, 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:14.680 it was almost a whisper of go seek revenge. You 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:18.040 guys like go go out and whoever did this. 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:22.759 It was on bullhorn and it was on every social post. 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.360 From the highest levels of I mean, that's what I 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.400 mean that it was a permission structure. 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.440 That was loud, that was. 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.800 Truth social let's pull the post. 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:38.560 And when it was saying they. 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.040 Weren't mourning and we weren't mourning and grieving, I was 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.400 morning and grief. 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:47.200 Follow the orders, right, because otherwise would not have had 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:47.479 to close. 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.799 You were mourning way, So I'm mourning and grieving our 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.600 ability to it feels like there are pieces of our 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:59.160 freedom that are being dismantled every single day, sometimes by 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:03.360 the hour. So not grieving someone who's caused pain, but 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.080 grieving what is going to be the repercussions on us 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:10.000 and our freedoms as a result of how they began 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.160 to frame this narrative. 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:12.840 And even now when. 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.600 As soon as they found out that that little white 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.000 boy killed him, it was prayers up for him. Before 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.480 they realized that it was not a black or brown person, 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.719 they were on our heads like we ready to put 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:25.360 y'all back in the belly of a slave ship and 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.440 send you back across the ocean, right. And then as 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.920 soon as they realized who he was, the prayers up. 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.480 Now the frame is about whether or not he had 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:39.680 a trans partner who was transitioning in the fall, so 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.800 they can put it back at the feet of the left. 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:46.160 Which is by the way, insane, right, Yes, because none 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.279 of us. First of all, I've been around LGBT politics 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:54.680 from my work professionally and also personally, and I would 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:59.960 never connote simply a person's identity as an LGBTQ per 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.920 as being less right. I don't know what you were 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:09.680 raised in a conservative Utah household, And simply because your 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.160 life partner at this time and your life might be 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.560 a trans person does not tell me anything about what 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:20.719 you think about me. Hello, thank you, And the examples 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.880 can go on and on and on. So even the 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:26.920 trans pivot that the right is attempting to make that 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:31.000 on square with my politics, necessarily I don't know. While 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.800 I am a supporter of trans rights, what I don't 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:38.440 know is anything about what this man believed politically. And 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.760 by the way, he's never voted a day in his lives. 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.879 It's not just the right attachment that, it's the media 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:45.640 like they are clamping onto that too. 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:48.680 Is there a difference because. 0:45:55.840 --> 0:46:00.640 Responsibility like I know these people and they're on air 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:04.000 like I know them, and just to hear them regurgitate 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.560 what talking points from the White House or tap dance 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:12.000 around what's real. It's so disappointing to see it's just 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.160 a I don't know, it's just a lost cause. And 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.760 I just feel like on some level at this point 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.200 I have been I feel so disconnected from politics. But 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.560 I totally understand your point are and you brought it 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:26.680 home beautifully when you were talking about impact where your 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.040 kids can go to school, and those are very real, 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:33.200 tangible things. But when I get to the humanity piece, 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.800 it just I don't know. I just feel so disconnected 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:40.200 from this landscape and the closest thing I can compare 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:46.040 it to I think you know about like enslaved women 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.359 or just women who were trying to make it during 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.960 the civil rights movement in the forties, fifties and sixties, 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:57.879 when your spirit is in such danger that you got 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:02.360 to huddle together and you've so far above you can't 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.840 even meddle in this melee right now, It can feel 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:09.840 like that is the devil's business to be even engaging 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.440 you in conversation and what you call a good health debate. 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.480 The one thing, and I think it's even above this, 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.799 but the word that you use Angela that I have 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.960 been I don't know if you created this phrase or not, 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.040 but I have definitely been using it as though it 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.799 is my own, and that is psychological safety. Ever since 0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:28.880 you've said that, I've said that so often because that 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.919 is what I feel. Every time I'm doing Abby show, 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.600 I do like all day I'm tight, I feel so 0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:39.440 just uncomfortable. When I walk in there, I feel uncomfortable. 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.920 And when I feel that way in life, I vacate. 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.799 I flee, like don't. I don't engage in that. And 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.680 I at this point, am starting to feel that way 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:52.360 off TV sets. I'm starting to feel that way around people. 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:58.000 And in my spirit, something is stirring saying it is 0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:59.080 time to elevate. 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.440 It is time to in this. 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.759 The spirit inside you that is on this earth having 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.440 a human experience needs to elevate. And I feel that 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.160 spirit of commonality and a whole lot of other black 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.120 women too. Now it could be with black men, but 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.719 I talk to a lot of black women who just 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.800 are We're kind of observing, like Wow, this is really happening. 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:21.200 And that doesn't mean we're apathetic. 0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:23.000 It doesn't mean we're not gonna vote, doesn't mean we're 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.120 not organizing, but I take very extended breaks from looking 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:31.600 at the minutia of what's happening in this world because 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:35.000 it weighs my spirit down in a way that doesn't 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.080 feel right to me. It doesn't feel natural to me. 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:39.640 So I don't know what other people are going through 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:41.279 what I feel that. 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.040 That's powerful, and I know we're closing out, but well. 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.319 And just really quick, I do want to say that 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:54.799 while this country continues to grieve so many instances of 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:59.399 loss of life, political officials who were in states that 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.959 where flags were not flowing half masks and they weren't 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:07.160 even acknowledged by the president for losing their lives. But 0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:09.280 I also want to point out that the day after 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:13.279 Charlie Kirk was killed last Thursday, there was another high 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.400 school shooting at Evergreen High School in Colorado. And I 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:21.480 think it's important for us to realize that yes, people 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.960 kill people, but the access to guns and the lack 0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:28.560 of gun safety in this country will continue to perpetuate 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.560 all types of harm and violence if we don't get 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:33.680 it under control. I think that is a non partisan problem. 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.240 Bullets are nonpartisan, and so should our ideology be around 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:38.640 protecting citizens. 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.840 Yeah, you know, you'd almost think our humanity would also 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:43.120 be non partisan adviting. 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:43.800 How about that. 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.160 Before a search I'll comes on, Andrew, do we have 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.759 time to talk at least briefly about HBCUs or do 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.000 y'all want to do that in the mini. 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:53.320 I'd love to hear, Angela. I don't know if you 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.960 feel comfortable just sort of bringing us into that real quick. 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.719 I think it's important that we RaSE suspected for our 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:02.960 community about what's happening on the funding. 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:04.560 Yeah, absolutely so. 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.640 First, I just want to acknowledge that our schools have 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.719 been fighting for their lives since the foundation. You all 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:15.239 as should we see you grad certainly know that you know, 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.719 historically black colleges and universities have to do more with 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.200 less all the time, and this is no different. So 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.920 the Trump administration recently made an announcement that it was 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.640 giving five hundred million dollars to historically black colleges and 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:35.520 universities after cutting funding for minority serving institutions. And what 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.040 I wanted to do in this moment was just a 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.640 flag that this was not a new grant or a 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:44.920 new gift like what they do for rich taxpayers. It 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:50.719 actually resulted from a taking so this administration cut three 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:56.120 hundred and fifty million dollars that supported minority students in 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.359 science and engineering in STEM fields. We know that black 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:03.520 students are are historically underrepresented in STEM fields. Three hundred 0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:06.839 and fifty million dollars was cut from federal grants two 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:10.160 minority serving institutions. Again, remember that number three hundred and 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.920 fifty million. There was a five hundred million dollar influx 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:17.360 to HBCUs and to charters. Nearly one hundred and forty 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:22.560 million was cut from teacher training programs because the administration 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:30.560 claims that it promoted quote racially divisive ideology. Additionally, fifteen 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:36.040 million was cut from Magnet schools specifically created to combat 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:40.320 school segregation and provide educational opportunity for black students. And lastly, 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:45.440 nine million cut from Gifted and Talented programs. The administration 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:51.080 said that these used quote racial targeting and recruitment, suggesting 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:55.319 they were actively working to include black students. Now here's 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:57.880 the thing that I just want to flag, because people 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.759 love to say that something was the lesser of two 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.120 evils when we talk about our politics. The difference between 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:09.640 the five hundred million dollar transfer from minority serving institutions 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:13.440 and programs that help black students is that under the 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:20.600 Biden Harris administration, they invested seventeen billion over four years 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.960 to historically black colleges and universities, and those were not 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:28.239 transfers from other minority serving institutions. I think people will 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:30.120 often and I want to flag this for our audience 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.799 because we can get a little black versus brown, black 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.080 versus indigenous on here in ways that I don't like. 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.400 Let me make it clear to you that one bucket 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:41.880 I used to work for an organization that represents historically 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.680 black colleges and universities. It's called NAFIO, the National Association 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:47.719 for Equal Opportunity and Higher Education. You can look it 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:52.040 up to fact check me. Under Minority serving institutions and 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:57.960 Title three funding is something called predominantly Black institutions. So 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:01.960 it's not just Hispanic serving its institutions and Native American 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:07.640 serving institutions that experience these cuts, it's also predominantly black institutions. 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.120 I would I appreciate that, Angela. I would also simply 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:15.000 add that also be careful where it is that they 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:20.360 are targeting the influx of resources, because if you've experienced 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:23.440 being an HBC in a state like mind, like Florida, 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.120 where on one hand they like to look like they're 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:32.480 dangling these nice influxes of resources, but with the other hand, 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.480 and sometimes with the same damn hand they're giving. They 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:40.120 are taking away our professional degree programs. They are reducing 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:44.879 our ability to produce massterial and doctoral degree programs. They're 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:49.200 removing research funding from US and putting it with pwis 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.880 eliminating the opportunity for our kids to get our college 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:56.000 students to get access to that. So essentially, what they 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.920 have resigned themselves to is if we're going to support 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.360 blacker educational institutions, we will support them in being a 0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:09.560 bacalaureate degree manufacturing institution, but we will not put resources 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:15.040 into their ability to become lawyers, doctors, professional degree earning 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:20.240 seeking and earning individuals where they can earn greater resource, 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:26.000 more money, attain higher degrees, more pay, and also ability 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.160 with certain positions to attain those positions. But we'll go 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:36.440 ahead and give them a baculoia degree manufacturing institution, but 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:40.120 we won't offer them the opportunity at higher levels of education, 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:44.560 higher levels of opportunity for research where they are quickly 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:49.319 and assiduously moving the cheese is in the direction of 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:53.800 that level of educational performance and production and then trying 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:59.080 to relegate us to only being baculoiate degree granting institutions. 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:02.879 Yeah, well, I think this is a conversation we'll pick 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:06.560 up again and again because it's to me it seems 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:10.120 like a coded effort to stoke a war, to have 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.400 communities fighting over crumbs while. 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:14.000 They always steak. 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:16.080 So, yeah, will visit this. 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:18.400 Okay, native lampod vam. 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:19.960 Just on the other side of this break, we'll be 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.680 joined by Sergio Hudson and IgA Beckham family that Tif 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:26.120 and I and we hope that they become family to YouTube. 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:40.120 So joining us. 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:43.520 Now we have two powerhouses in the fashion industry. Many 0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:46.120 of you all may know that it is New York 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.680 Fashion Week time. It's Tiffany and I's favorite time of 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.440 the year. But sadly both of us we're not able 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:53.840 to join people who will become like dear family members 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.000 to us. And they are joining us here to talk 0:55:56.040 --> 0:56:01.839 about really the role they've had as black designers, a 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:06.839 fashion powerhouse in this industry, the many ways in which 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:08.719 it is challenging, in all of the many ways in 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.560 which they've overcome, they are inga Beckham, who is the 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:15.280 CEO of Sergio Husband and Sergio Husband himself the creative 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.640 director and co founder with Inga Beckham of this incredible brand. 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.000 Hey, y'all, we missed the shows. 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.279 I'm so bummed I can be there. 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.600 Well, you'll see on the screen pictures of Angela and 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:31.760 I each year sitting there gawking and drooling over every 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:35.400 dress and design coming down. We literally sit there the 0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:40.160 whole time just tapping each other. And we are very 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.719 lucky and fortunate to be donned in Sergio when we 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.160 were seated front row in Sergio Hudson's show, So we 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:49.239 consider it an honor and a privilege to be on 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.719 your invite list every year. So thank you both. So 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.120 y'all have come through, and Inga, you know y'all have 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:57.759 come through for us many many times. So we love 0:56:57.840 --> 0:56:58.680 you both. 0:56:58.760 --> 0:56:59.960 But Inga, you know we. 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:02.960 We we owe you drinks and dinners, I'm sure. 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.520 Yes, and all the flowers. 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:10.080 But I do want to just say we do appreciate y'all, 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:11.799 And I think Tip what you said is a good 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:14.239 place to start. Tip talked about the two of us 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.400 being there, but also y'all know the machetes show up 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:20.680 regularly to Sergio Hudson fashion shows twice a year where 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.320 Fashion Week takes place. 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:27.080 You all have been clutch for us emotionally. 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.880 You all have been clutch for us just you know, 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.840 in terms of all the ratchet things we do, cracking 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.560 all the jokes, and I think that we together have 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.760 built a community of encouragement. And so the expectation I 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.680 have for y'all is that our community would support you 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.080 all the ways in which you support the community. And 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.000 I would argue, there are a lot of people that 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.120 don't know all of the things you do. But I'm 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.000 just gonna give y'all one quick example and then we 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.320 can get into this. As Inga sits before us right now, 0:57:55.480 --> 0:58:01.280 she is rocking Simone Simone Smith's earrings. There is not 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:04.800 a black brand that they see as a competitor. They 0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:09.000 see them as family. And even for black entertainers A Listers, 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.400 B Listers, Z listers, I'm a Z lister, They look 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:15.520 out and take care of us right like you guys 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.560 just do. And I just I want to publicly thank 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:20.760 you for the ways in which you show up for 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:24.080 people when they're on top, when they're somewhere in the middle, 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:25.440 and when they've hit rock bottom. 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:28.440 I'm about to get thinking about it, the way that 0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:30.440 y'all that y'all have. 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.520 Come through, and one example that comes to mind, and 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:36.080 then I'm gonna yield on the other side of the 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:41.320 really unfortunate, humiliating dismissal of our dear sister Joy read 0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:48.080 from MSNBC. Joy was asked to be a special surprise 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:53.360 guest at Black Women in Hollywood in LA and I 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:56.360 did what I normally do, text and get the eleventh hour, 0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:59.800 like Sis, there's this incredible moment Joy has and we 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.280 on a show, she's on top. And when I tell y'all, 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:06.600 Inga and Sergio sprang into action to make sure that 0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.160 Joy was looking her best and filling her best And 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:11.600 then was like, you and Tiff cannot go to that 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:12.440 looking crazy. 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:15.919 Y'all gotta look y'all gotta be rocking the right thing too. 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:18.720 So it's just a small example of the things that 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:20.440 y'all have no idea they do. 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:22.480 And I just love y'all, So I just want to 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:23.040 lift that up. 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:25.800 That was a long filibuster, thank you, but it really 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:28.000 is one thing that I think is important for all 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:30.600 the A listers that missed out on that show, which 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:32.440 is one of the best. I am biased, but it 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:35.320 is also true. I just want them to know that, 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:35.880 y'all are. 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:37.840 I think before we come to you, guys, I just 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:39.320 want to say some of the people you dress, so 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:41.680 you guys can fill in the blank. But of course, 0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:45.640 Madam Vice President Kamala Harris is a regular on your 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:50.640 client list. Actress Blake Lively can often be seen donning 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:54.360 your fashion on red carpets, Machete member co host of 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:58.400 The View Sunny Houston. We actually gifted her for her 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.440 birthday one year on air, Sergio fits. 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:04.040 So you are a I mean. 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:08.920 A household name in elite Hollywood circles and brands. Can 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.840 you talk to us a little bit about what happened 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:18.000 this week around fashion Week and your relationship with you know, 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:20.440 the black community, Like, how can we support you and 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:22.080 how have you experienced support? 1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:25.640 So and I said, listen to my team. 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:31.520 You know, I'm I was raised by activists, minister who 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:35.800 you know. Literally, I've sat outside while my mom went 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:39.840 into crack house and got people out. I've driven hours 1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:42.960 with her to take people to rehabs. I've went in 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:46.240 to you know, get prostitutes off the street, like I 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.640 was raised like that to help my community to be better, 1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:54.320 be greater. So when I chose to go into this industry, 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.000 I look at it as community as we need to 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.880 be all for each other. So so you know, I'm 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.320 constantly asked questions. You know, why is this person not 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:07.640 at your show? Why is that person not at your show? 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:12.600 And my viewpoint on it is even from my team. 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:15.760 You know, my viewpoint on it is who's going to 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:18.360 be there is who's supposed to be there. And at 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:20.400 the end of the day, I can't stress about who's 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:23.800 not there, but I do value who is there for us. 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:25.360 But what I will. 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:30.600 Say is my issue came in you know when you 1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:34.920 see black A listers and I'm talking about black people 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:37.120 because those are my people. I don't really care what 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.600 you know, other communities do. They can do what they 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.000 want to do, support who they want to support. But 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:45.480 I'm just a black person that wants to support my people. 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:48.120 And if you my viewpoint on it is, if you're 1:01:48.160 --> 1:01:51.520 an A list black person, what you can do most 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:55.280 for a brand, not just my brand, but any black brand, 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.919 for the Quan's brand, for Christopher John Rogers, for any 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:02.760 of us that are strugg striving. I mean for Rachel 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:05.960 Scott who just became the crab director of Penza Shuler 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.160 and showed had her own show at the same fashion week. 1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:12.800 She did two fashion shows in one week. And you know, 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:18.120 it's crazy that these A listeners don't go to these 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:20.160 shows just to go you know what I mean. I'm 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:23.240 not saying don't go to the other shows because we 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:26.120 all support other designer brands. I mean, I carry a 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:27.800 Ferragamo bag every day. 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:28.640 I don't. 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:32.320 I'm not against us buying designer pieces and supporting other 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:33.560 designer brands. 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:35.520 But what I'm saying is. 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:39.560 If you have some celebrity, what would it be if 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:44.760 every top tier A list black celebrity decided I'm going 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:48.560 to go to at least one New York Fashion Week 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:53.160 show that is by a black owned and run brand. 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:59.000 What would that do for the diaspora of black designers 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:00.840 out there. Because it's a lot of us, and we're 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:04.160 all different and we're fading. You know, this season, I 1:03:04.160 --> 1:03:05.840 don't think it was but like two or three of 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:09.240 us when a couple of season agoes like thirteen. So 1:03:09.400 --> 1:03:12.280 you know, this industry is extremely hard and if you 1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:16.440 can't get the support from your people. Then that's that's 1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:21.120 where my post was coming from. It wasn't coming from, 1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:23.600 Oh I'm upset these people didn't come to my show. 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:27.360 We were literally turning people away from our show, you 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:30.919 know what I mean. I tell people all the time, 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.360 the seating at the show is what I hate the most, 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:36.760 because people it's craziness, like everybody wants to come to 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:40.320 a faster show. But what I was trying to say 1:03:40.560 --> 1:03:45.320 was we as a people have to stop allowing the 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:50.600 drug of white adjacency to contaminate our psyche. And I'm 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:54.680 saying that from a place of being intoxicated by that 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:56.080 myself at times. 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:58.360 You know, I'm just being completely honest. 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:01.720 Sometimes when you're a designer and you dress black people 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:05.000 all the time, when you get that one white celebrity 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:07.960 that wears your stuff, it's like natural for your first 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:09.800 mind going, oh my god, this is the biggest deal 1:04:09.840 --> 1:04:12.840 I've ever had. And I kind of have to sometimes 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:16.000 talk myself down and say, you know what, this is great, 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:19.320 but that was great too. And you know, we have 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.920 to begin to train ourselves to know that we are 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:26.040 the moment. We don't jump into a moment, and we 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:29.480 make the moment and if we can learn that. Then 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:32.840 I feel like we would elevate every black brand, not 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.959 just clothing brand, but every black brand. 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:38.560 To the next level. And that's that's where I was 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:39.080 coming from. 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:42.800 It wasn't coming from a place of I'm upset, because 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:43.680 I wasn't at all. 1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:50.080 It's been mostly love and understand But you know, you 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:52.000 have those people who. 1:04:51.840 --> 1:04:54.720 Come in and they're like, oh, maybe they just theyn't 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:57.320 want to come to your show. And then you have 1:04:57.440 --> 1:04:59.439 the people that be like, well, maybe if you put 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:02.000 more black in your show, they would come to your show. 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:04.960 You know, you have those people, the keyboard gangsters I 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.680 like to call them, that come online and they want 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:11.280 to get a rise out of you. But mostly it's 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:14.480 been love and understanding. But I wanted people to understand 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:17.720 I wasn't talking about like just my brand. I'm like, 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:20.800 if you come to New York Fashion Week as a 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:23.640 top tier alist, and when we say top tier alist, 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:27.360 we know what that means person black person, and you 1:05:27.400 --> 1:05:30.840 don't go to one show that is from a black 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:34.280 owned brand, that is a problem for me. I'm sorry, 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:37.800 I can't I can't even sugar coat the past that like, 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:38.640 that's the problem. 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:40.240 And if you don't think about it. 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:44.120 That's the even bigger problem it's worth Yeah. 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:46.760 You know, and to this, to this point, Inga, I 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:50.960 want to come to you because I think that people 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:53.000 do need to see you off for who you are 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:56.160 really are, which is supporters of black brands. Y'all are 1:05:56.160 --> 1:05:59.840 not requiring or requesting people to do anything that you're 1:05:59.880 --> 1:06:01.880 not readily doing yourselves. 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:02.200 You know. 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:06.080 So the fact that Sergio made this post and there's 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:10.200 any controversy around it at all is really fascinating to me. 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.120 Even this point you said back from the keyboard Gangsters, 1:06:13.160 --> 1:06:15.600 I'm gonna make sure we roll tape of the some 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:18.240 of the shows where the models are walking down right 1:06:18.280 --> 1:06:20.800 before you come out to say thank you and everybody. 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.439 It is a very diverse show and there are tons 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:26.560 of black models. I watched Inga do one at Kim's 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:30.680 conference this year for accelerate her with the models that 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:33.760 came in, and it was still most it was very multicultural. 1:06:34.000 --> 1:06:36.440 Y'all are very conscientious and mindful of that. And I 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:38.720 think if there's anything I want to speak for you, Inga, 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:41.880 but you just expect the same back from your supporters. 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:45.560 Yeah, I think I think that is exactly first of all, 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:47.720 let's I want to go back a little bit. You 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:50.600 are not a Z lister. That's number one. When you 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.520 guys show up and show out in your clothes, you 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:57.080 are fabulous. So let's just address that right there. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.000 We are honored to have you guys. 1:06:59.000 --> 1:07:01.960 You guys have been doing the good work for the 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:07.400 community for a very long time. And yes you do 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:10.760 always text me very last minute. Angela will work on that, 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:13.000 but there's nothing my co hosts. 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:18.400 Will tell you then you can do it. I'm so sorry, y'all, 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:20.600 I gots but to be. 1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:24.960 Very clear, we are fully aware of what your. 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:28.080 Work is in the community, and we know that if 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:30.840 we texted you at the very last minute, you would 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:34.720 show up. And so I think for us, what Sergio 1:07:34.920 --> 1:07:38.160 is talking about is just reciprocal knowing that we come 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:41.320 from that place right and knowing the hardships that we 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:45.880 have when we are sold at Birdorf, Neiman Market, sax 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:50.200 Fith Avenue, blooming Dell's. We are sold at all these 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:55.840 you know, very prominent this department stores, and we sit 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:59.240 across from all these big brands, but we are not 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:02.240 we don't have one hundred million dollars, but. 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:05.640 We are fully owned operated. 1:08:05.960 --> 1:08:08.640 We you know, we have ownership of our brand, and 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:13.040 so we have creative control, and we're up against a 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:15.280 lot and we fight every. 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:19.960 Six months to do New York Fashion Week. 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:22.479 This is hundreds of thousands of dollars that we're coming 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:26.320 up with on our own sponsors that do believe in us. 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:30.120 So I think, you know, Sergio coming from a. 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:34.040 Place of just saying, not just for us, but for 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:37.960 all black designer brands or all brands of color that 1:08:38.120 --> 1:08:44.040 are fighting against all the funding, the people showing up. 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.880 You know, what would it take, what would it take 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:51.400 for us to get these A listers Black A listers, 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:55.280 people of colature understand that just doing one small thing 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:58.360 will make a big difference to a brand like ours 1:08:58.479 --> 1:08:59.519 or any other. 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:03.320 That is fighting this fight. It is really really hard 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:04.360 to run this brand. 1:09:04.360 --> 1:09:07.000 It is really really hard to come up with these 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:11.719 hundreds of thousands of dollars to do these collections. This, 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:15.200 this is very serious for us. This is our livelihood. Sergio, 1:09:15.479 --> 1:09:18.080 this is his dream, you know, it is my dream 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:21.679 to support him. We have come together and we compete 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:25.680 against these other brands, and so I think, like I 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:28.200 know Sergio's heart so and he really wasn't. 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:31.800 He wasn't hurt out. We had our front roll was lit. 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:34.800 Let me be very clear, right, we had Mary J. 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:40.160 Blige, we had Sunny Austin, We had so many different 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:44.160 influencers that came and showed up and posted and do 1:09:44.280 --> 1:09:45.280 the things for us. 1:09:45.360 --> 1:09:47.240 So we weren't. 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:52.240 We're not hurt, right, It just it just was his 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:56.799 expression and any negativity around his post. It's people wanting 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:58.720 to be negative, that are going to be negative no 1:09:58.760 --> 1:09:59.360 matter what. 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:02.160 You do and what you say. Right, So I think 1:10:02.280 --> 1:10:05.080 we just you know, I think we had to. 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:09.440 I appreciate you guys for having us, and I appreciate 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:13.439 giving us a platform for Sergio to be able to 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:18.240 really speak his mind and you know, let people know 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:20.800 what we do and how hard this is because we 1:10:20.840 --> 1:10:25.120 do support, we support, and we don't only support black brands, 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:28.240 we support other brands as well, and we show up. 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.080 You know, there are so many different races that are 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:34.240 were are closed. Our runway is diverse. We had at 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:38.760 least I think fifteen search your black models in our 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:39.960 show this time. 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:44.040 But so you know, Jenny having the question being asked, 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:47.280 you know, or even being said, maybe if you use 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.479 more black models, I don't even think about it. 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:52.599 But I went through the model look and I'm like, oh, 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:53.240 there are. 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:57.320 Like fifteen fifteen models that are black, and then like 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:02.120 I can't even the nationality, like between Asian and Hispanic. 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:04.960 It was barely in the white girls. I was like, 1:11:05.000 --> 1:11:08.320 oh my god, I feel like I'm I need more 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:12.280 white people. Like at the end of the day, it 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:15.439 was pretty much just a show full of people of color. 1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:18.439 So I think that's a bigger thing. That's a whole 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:22.760 other conversation when you see what do you see as 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:25.160 black people? Because you look at my showing, because the 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:28.400 girl has curly hair and she has fair skin, does 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:29.639 that mean she's not black? 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:33.040 I mean at the end of the day, Angela, I mean, 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:34.799 look at me, look at my mother. 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:37.479 In denial. 1:11:38.120 --> 1:11:45.920 You had it right, y'all know I'm sensitive about my 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:47.880 call today. 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:50.800 I know I'm light, and you know my mom is like, 1:11:51.760 --> 1:11:54.280 you know, but I'm very black. So I don't and 1:11:54.360 --> 1:11:57.560 I don't and I don't want to be like discounted 1:11:57.640 --> 1:12:00.360 because my skin color is like and I'm not gonna 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:03.040 just count. And at the end of the day, everything 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:05.880 I do is strategic. I use a lot of black 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:09.240 models and I use models across the diaspora, because what 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:13.559 happens in fashion is we turn black models into a 1:12:13.600 --> 1:12:17.120 trend and a type of model that you use. So 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:19.880 if it's not just this one type of black girl, 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:22.160 it's not a black girl, and that's just not true. 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:25.640 Black people come in all different colors, and that's what 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:29.280 I try to show in my show. So if you 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:31.599 don't notice that there are different types of black girls, 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:34.160 that's not my issue. You should just pay a little 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:37.040 bit more attention to what's actually going on in the 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:40.080 diaspora of black people in the world. It's not just 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:40.800 one thing. 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:45.120 So yeah, Inga and Sergio, this is Andrew and I 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:47.640 know we don't know each other, but I am adjacent 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:50.000 to two of the women that you're dressing. So thank 1:12:50.000 --> 1:12:51.679 you for helping me to look better. 1:12:51.840 --> 1:12:55.759 Just by standing between the two of them, I'm saying 1:12:56.200 --> 1:12:57.960 I look forward to being dressed by you withday. 1:12:58.400 --> 1:13:01.320 But moreover, I just say, you know, first of all, 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:06.479 congratulations on your wild success. And I think it should 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:08.840 be very clear and I understand it clearly from you all. 1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:11.240 You aren't asking for any charity. It's sort of like 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:14.439 what I was, what I was growing up, not growing 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:17.320 up but as I entered politics very young, I'd be 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:20.280 in you know, the Washington Post, in the New York 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:24.679 Times or some publication, and my family would not give 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:27.120 me credit until I was in ebony. And when you 1:13:27.800 --> 1:13:32.559 were validated by your people, then you had you had ascended. 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:36.320 It was legit. You're doing something. You and ebony, if 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:39.080 you and jet you, you hit it right. And so I, 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:41.639 as I understood and listen to you, I thought back 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:45.080 to that experience and thinking, you're not begging celebrities who 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:46.880 are a listeners to come to your show. You're saying, 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:50.800 you know, see us, validate us, because your validation of 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:54.120 us is important to me. It's important for our community 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:58.560 to see. It's important that we see each other's value. 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:01.880 And that why does not always write in the way 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:06.320 in which the world has to see your contribution to 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:11.439 uh this this space celebrity a or a lister. And 1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:14.679 I just think if you're going celebrities are particular about 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:17.960 where they go anyway, So if you're going somewhere, you 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.880 have intention to be where it is you are. And 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:24.080 I think what you ass conversation as illuminated for me 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:27.479 is that if you're gonna move with intention, move with intention. 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:30.920 Don't give lip service to wanting to support our community 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:35.200 when someone shot. But when we're at we're we're when 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:39.160 we're at our zenith, when we are bringing wealth, value, 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:42.760 beauty culture into the space and shaping that culture by 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:45.519 our contributions, it would be nice to look out and 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:48.000 see you there with a wink in or no saying 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:50.479 I'm proud of you, brothers, sister for what you are doing, 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:52.600 period right. 1:14:52.760 --> 1:15:08.000 And yeah, thank you, Yeah, you know, go ahead and anyone. 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:14.799 Let's spread that word. Let's spread that message. These incredible creatives, yeah, 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:18.400 are coming from a glass half full, if not running 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:24.240 over and moreover, they're doing it with intention for our 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:27.920 community to be seen not in a box, but with 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:30.960 a canvas. I love that and everything that paints. 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:33.960 Well, Okay, I just I want to ask something because 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:38.440 Inga you have have shared with me about the financial 1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:40.200 structure of fashion. 1:15:40.320 --> 1:15:40.719 Sergio. 1:15:40.800 --> 1:15:43.799 You have been so insightful and answering all of my questions. 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:48.120 And I don't think even the fashionably aspirational you know 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:50.840 who go out there and you know, will spend all 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:55.280 their money on Gucci or Prada because they hear that 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:58.640 mentioned in a hip hop song or they see you 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:02.200 know something in and pop culture that makes them say, oh, 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:03.880 if that's what the cool people are wearing, that's what 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:06.320 I want to wear. And the impact it has when 1:16:06.360 --> 1:16:09.960 we do that on black brands. One the incestuous nature 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:13.160 of the fashion industry and its ownership. Right, so a 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:15.559 lot of these brands, which I did not know, fall 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:17.519 under the same umbrella company. 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:19.519 Also something I didn't know. 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:23.639 Sergio was so kind enough to take me to lunch 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:27.559 at Bergdorf Goodman and we went into the store and 1:16:27.720 --> 1:16:29.880 I I was so excited. I was like, Oh my gosh, like, 1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:32.400 you have your own section. And then we were walking 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:36.040 and I saw another designer with like a huge section, 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:38.880 and I was saying, I've never even heard of this person, 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.479 Like who is this person? And this person had just 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:45.800 come out, had just become a name, like within the 1:16:45.840 --> 1:16:49.240 past year. But I'm like, but Sergio has been out 1:16:49.560 --> 1:16:50.559 for years. 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.600 What did this? I don't need to tell you all 1:16:53.600 --> 1:16:54.800 who you love to do? The white girl? 1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:58.040 What did the white girl do to get this huge section? 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:02.320 While Sergio, who is dress seeing everyone from the highest 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:05.160 ranking official black women in the United States and Vice 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:09.000 President Kamala Harris, so one of the top and first 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:13.200 Lady Michelle Obama to one of them, thank you, keep 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:17.400 keep them coming like we could coming. But also to 1:17:17.560 --> 1:17:20.800 some of the Hollywood's top rated actresses, I mean from 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:26.160 Gala's to show, thank you, thank you anybody who you 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:30.080 guys want to name that that you dress. So, I 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:31.600 don't know, I just think there would be if we 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:36.120 would benefit from hearing from you both on the the 1:17:36.160 --> 1:17:42.479 financial structure of that and how these these I guess 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:47.120 the merchants, I suppose, the people who are the buyers, 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:50.799 how they determine who gets placement in these department stores, 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:53.960 how your brands are promoted, and what you all have 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:56.560 to do versus other people who fall under conglomerates to 1:17:56.760 --> 1:18:00.960 might own five of the top brands like Lvates for example. 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:05.599 Well, I think it really. 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:09.280 Does honestly come down to funding. Right, A lot of these, 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:14.479 as you mentioned in Bergdorf Goodman, they have in stores. Right, 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:16.599 you have an in store, you do have to have 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:21.920 the funding you pay for in stores, which means you 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:26.040 have a build out essentially. If you don't have all 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:30.400 that funding behind you, then it does come down to 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:34.840 the department store and your sales, et cetera. And you 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:37.000 get an in store, you know, if you have the 1:18:37.040 --> 1:18:41.320 funding for it. Essentially otherwise, truthfully, when you are in 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:46.400 these department stores, basically it is the amount of clothing 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:49.200 that the buyers are allotted to come into your market 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:51.960 and buy. So you have an amount that they come in, 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:55.400 they buy the clothing, and based upon how much they bought, 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:58.000 that is where you have the placement in the stores. 1:18:58.280 --> 1:18:59.200 That is how it works. 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:00.839 Got it? That's helpful? 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:05.040 And then how can folks at home support? Yeah, if 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:07.080 they're not going to make it to Fashion Week, if 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:10.519 they're not going to make it uh to New York 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:13.640 City and to Burgdoff Goodman's, how can how can the 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:17.800 person at home right now in Alabama where where my 1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:20.840 mother in love is and in Georgia, Southern Georgia where 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:23.680 my mama is. I don't know what they person is 1:19:23.720 --> 1:19:25.880 looking like, but but how can they How can they 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:28.679 find you, see you, access you so they can. 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:31.679 Go to Sergio Hudson dot com. We have a direct 1:19:31.720 --> 1:19:37.360 to consumer site and we are really great with our 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:41.320 customer service. I have really decided that we are going 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:45.880 to work very strategically on ourselves on our store. 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:46.519 We used to. 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:51.120 Really put the department stores first. When I say that, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:54.680 I mean, you know, obviously, these are the stores that 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:57.639 are frequented the most, that are are in other states 1:19:57.640 --> 1:19:58.519 and that you can get to. 1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:00.559 So we we love at. 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:03.920 Until we get our own brick and mortar, which we 1:20:04.040 --> 1:20:07.960 will be. I am claiming that it's going to happen, 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.479 and so we will. We will be in states near you, 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:17.400 but for now, Direct to consumer Sergio Hudson dot com. 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.760 Come on there shop that is the place. But we 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:24.160 are in Neiman Marcus in Atlanta. 1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:27.200 We are in uh. 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:33.280 Bloomingdale's in New York and uh is it DC Sergio Sergio. Yes, 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:38.960 So we are at different stores in different states across 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:39.800 the country. 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:40.960 I love it. 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:41.639 Now. 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.080 The the last thing that I want to say, because 1:20:44.120 --> 1:20:47.240 I was heckled for my last minute requests, I just 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:49.400 want you all to know that we are going to 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:52.479 be at the Congressional black hawkt Foundation Daniel legislat the 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:53.519 conference next week. 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:57.360 It's also and. 1:20:57.400 --> 1:21:00.320 There may or may not be a very important moment, 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:03.000 so it would be amazing if. 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:05.360 We could be there will be an important. 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:07.040 You know. 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:09.160 Or may not know about that moment. 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:13.680 Wow, Okay, well then you know more than me. 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:16.040 But all I'm gonna tell you is this It would 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:18.240 be nice to be as as Biggie would say, but 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:20.960 I'm a re quote Sergio Hudson down to the sock. 1:21:21.439 --> 1:21:23.559 It is so if we can, if we can figure 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:24.240 that you. 1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:31.479 Like why you all have been so generous with your 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:34.680 time as as we as we part with you, we 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:37.639 want to give y'all the last word to what what? 1:21:37.640 --> 1:21:37.840 What? 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:39.479 What would you have us do? What do you want 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:41.000 the people to do? What do you want the folks 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:41.360 to know? 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:43.719 Any call to action? 1:21:45.000 --> 1:21:47.720 Basically your call to action? What would you lead admonishors 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:48.479 to do? 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:52.200 Oh wow, that's a lie, but I think so here's 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:57.080 the thing. If our brand is very specific, so we 1:21:57.320 --> 1:22:00.640 I do understand that everybody can't afford to, you know, 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:05.479 Sergio Hudson collection, but those of you that can, and 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:09.520 you buy designer clothes often, I'm not telling you to 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:13.080 forfeit any of your favorite brands. All I'm saying is, 1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:17.120 you know, go in request us, ask for us, try 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:19.360 us song, try us out, see how you like it. 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:22.280 And if you can just create a little section in 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:25.360 your closet for us or for some other designer brands 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:29.880 that might fit your taste a little bit better, and 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:33.599 you will see how if everybody that could afford our 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:37.640 clothes did buy it, it would help so much and 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:40.240 you would see the growth. And what I will make 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:42.639 a promise to you is if that you do support us, 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:46.679 that we will give back to our community that looks 1:22:46.760 --> 1:22:49.840 like us, and we will create more opportunities for people 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:53.040 that look like us. That's the difference between when you 1:22:53.080 --> 1:22:55.240 purchase from us and when you purchase from a brand 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:58.720 that doesn't look like you. I mean, it's nothing that 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:01.120 can go back to you when you know. It's kind 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:03.160 of like when you have a credit card and you 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:06.080 you like there that particular cards we like better because 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:09.120 you get cash back. I feel like when you support 1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:12.719 black brands across the board, you're getting cash back into 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.760 your community. It's a way for you to help, it's 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:18.720 a way for you to grow. Because the reason we 1:23:18.760 --> 1:23:21.080 don't have a foothold in this interest because we don't 1:23:21.120 --> 1:23:24.559 have any ownership. Any industry that you don't have ownership in, 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:29.000 you have no power. Power in any industry is money. 1:23:29.320 --> 1:23:32.320 And in fashion, we don't have the power because we 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:35.800 don't have the money. And that's the why you don't 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:37.479 see a lot of us. You know, that's why I 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:40.760 can go from having thirteen black designers down to two 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:44.120 or three in a fashion week. And I think, you know, 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:46.400 we are working on some things to where we can 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:51.560 reach a bigger price gap of people. You know, confidentially 1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:54.760 we are doing working on a couple of things to 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:55.400 be able to do that. 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:58.000 But wait a minute, Sergia, you can't break news in there. 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:00.679 Just all I can. 1:24:00.640 --> 1:24:06.160 Tell you, That's all I can tell you. That's all 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:08.080 we can tell you is we're working on something. 1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:14.120 But yes, okay, yeah, we're working on some things to 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:17.280 be able to reach more of a bigger audience, so 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:17.839 to speak. 1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:21.400 And that's all I can say is support us and 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:24.960 you know, ask for us, and that's all we can do. 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:26.480 I love it. 1:24:28.640 --> 1:24:30.559 Shout out to your amazing partner, Devine. 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:33.639 Yes we're going to love that. I need. 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:36.240 You. 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:40.240 Guys can take it home to just piggyback off what 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:44.160 Sergio said. You know, if you can't afford the brand, 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:49.320 and you know that's understandable, especially especially in this time 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:56.160 where everything is so uncertain. You know, tag repost refer 1:24:56.240 --> 1:25:02.840 to someone you know, uplift us in some way. It's 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:07.040 not always in a monetary where there are many things 1:25:07.080 --> 1:25:11.439 to do to show support for the brand, what you 1:25:11.479 --> 1:25:14.960 guys are doing right now. So we're grateful for it all. 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:18.000 And I want to be very very clear, like I 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:22.120 said before, our front row was lit. Our supporters. We 1:25:22.200 --> 1:25:25.479 have supporters of every race I mean that showed up 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:30.160 for us, that we love dearly and appreciate. So you know, 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:34.080 just for our people that did show up, our A 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:38.240 lists that did show up, that show up for us, 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:40.360 we are eternally grateful. 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:44.479 We are so grateful for y'all. 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:47.240 Thank you for all you do for setting the standard 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:50.080 and blazing the trail in the fashion industry and beyond. 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:51.160 We love you, INGA. 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:52.840 Every time we get together, you know, we crying, so 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:54.360 I aren't doing it at the end of the show too. 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:58.200 Sarjia. We love you, brother, and to both of your partners, 1:25:58.200 --> 1:25:58.679 we love. 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:01.040 Thank you, Andrews. Pleasure to meet you. We want you 1:26:01.120 --> 1:26:01.800 as some men. 1:26:01.920 --> 1:26:06.080 Sergio, I'm here there it is. I'm just trying and 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:10.080 keep my you know, little figure together for you, you know, 1:26:10.240 --> 1:26:12.920 put me out there, bro. 1:26:14.080 --> 1:26:19.040 Like he certainly because he put it, he put what 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:20.519 we wanted to say in words. 1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:23.720 Thank you so much, Thank you God bless y'all, And 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:39.600 we're wishing you well, bless up, bless welcome. Well, that 1:26:39.760 --> 1:26:44.439 was a beautiful conversation, y'all. And and I saw their hearts. 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:47.160 I heard their hearts and saw their hearts, and I 1:26:47.280 --> 1:26:49.680 just sometimes think the reason why I wanted to just 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:52.600 emphasize how you know, the cup running over and that 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:55.960 this isn't charity, is that they I saw the more 1:26:56.120 --> 1:27:01.559 spokespeople crying out for, you know, their fellow family of 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:05.040 black designers in this space, who were again once thirteen 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:09.840 last year at Fashion Week and this time two or three, right, 1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:12.760 so you know, for as they said, for those of 1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:15.160 us who can, we should. And I know every I 1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:16.920 know some of the most struggling in these people. I 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:20.920 know who set their design on getting that, you know, 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:23.120 being able to have that red bottomed shoe one day 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.680 and they go get it. So set your design on 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:30.639 a Sergio Htel and go that your nope, my CTA, 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:33.880 however is and then I'll leave Linda yours. It's simply 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:36.720 that I was reading about, of course, the high rate 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:45.800 of unemployment amongst black women, which again is rivaling historic low, 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:50.360 historic highs for Black women in America in their unemployment 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:53.439 and the rate of them that are now reaching six 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:56.720 months without a job and in the job search, and 1:27:56.800 --> 1:28:01.960 how really debilitating and depressing and undermining it can be 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:05.080 to the mind, to the ego, but also to the wallet. 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:09.360 And so for those of us who know folks who 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:12.839 brothers and sisters who have been laid off, family members, 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:17.040 close friends, so on and so forth. Back when I 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:18.559 was growing up in church, you used to give love 1:28:18.600 --> 1:28:22.960 offerings where you weren't asking for anything. Nobody came up 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:24.720 to you and said, I'm about to be in the 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:26.519 pole house, so I need such and such and such. 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.800 But folks intuitively just felt, you know what I wish. 1:28:30.200 --> 1:28:34.960 Let me just bless this person with twenty dollars. I 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:37.479 just want to remind us of the tradition of the 1:28:37.520 --> 1:28:40.559 fact that all of us go through something sometimes, and 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.280 in fact, if we keep living, probably those ebbs and 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:47.920 flows will happen throughout. And wouldn't it be nice if 1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:51.559 we had people without us asking looking like we're beggars, 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:54.280 because we're proud people, especially those folks who work and 1:28:54.360 --> 1:28:57.559 earn their living. But if you could bless folks up 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:01.320 a little bit by twenty five to fifty dollars check 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:03.920 you might give them might be the minimum payment they 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:06.040 need to put on their credit card that they've been 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:09.639 spending on to get by, to hold them over that'll 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:12.680 keep them from a default on that month's payment. You 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:16.200 just never know. And so I just want to have 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:22.400 us to expand our collective thinking and coverage and support 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:25.519 of our community to include even when folks haven't asked, 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:31.280 to just tap into your intuitive or your spiritual self 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:33.320 and say, man, let me just They don't even got 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:35.800 to know it came for me. Let me bless somebody 1:29:36.200 --> 1:29:38.559 in a way that that may pay real dividends for 1:29:38.600 --> 1:29:40.120 them and help them out of a out of a 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:44.000 buying But I hope things will change on this economy, 1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:46.920 but it's gonna be rough. It's rough now and it 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:52.000 may be rougher yet. Still. So that's my CTA, TIF 1:29:52.000 --> 1:29:52.599 what you got. 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:56.920 You know, my CTA is really one for myself that 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.240 I'll invite other people to tap in and whatever way 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:03.880 they need. That is how I value myself. And it's 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:06.840 changed over the years. When I was I remember coming 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:11.200 into my late twenties going into my thirties, I stepped 1:30:11.200 --> 1:30:13.680 into a new meet and decided, this is who I 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:15.320 am and this is what I tolerate and this is 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:17.280 what I don't and I definitely feel like I'm going 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.760 into a new era of that. Someone reached out to 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:23.400 me this week and asked me to be a backup. 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:25.160 They had asked someone else to do something and that 1:30:25.200 --> 1:30:27.200 person was, you know, a little shaky on it. And 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:29.519 they said, oh, you know, just checking to see if 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:31.800 you might be available, and I said, I can be, 1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:34.799 but I need to know, like within the next couple hours. 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:37.240 And you know, I won't charge you. I just you know, 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:39.640 need your team to cover hair and makeup and transportation 1:30:39.800 --> 1:30:41.479 and I'll help you out if I can't. 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:43.600 And he said, well, I don't know we're doing all that. 1:30:44.520 --> 1:30:45.920 And my ego. 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:47.680 Said to say, I'll well, I don't know who to 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:51.880 you think you asking men, But my spirit said to 1:30:52.040 --> 1:30:54.200 just say, oh, then you know I may not be 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:57.840 the person for you. Let me recommend some people who 1:30:57.920 --> 1:31:01.240 might better serve this event. And just being done with it. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:05.080 And I'm trying to, in every iteration of life, learn 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:08.719 how to value myself and that includes value my love 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:11.680 that I give to people. How am I valuing this 1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:14.960 love and who I am? That includes valuing my voice. 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:18.280 If I'm not being listened to, then I don't need 1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:19.960 to speak if I'm talking to you and you're looking 1:31:20.000 --> 1:31:22.559 at your phone. I need to value my voice enough 1:31:22.640 --> 1:31:25.160 my words that i'm speaking that know I'm not going 1:31:25.200 --> 1:31:28.080 to repeat myself, and know I'm not going to keep talking. 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:31.240 I can just be silent. I'm also valuing my voice 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:33.679 in a space where you might have all the attention, 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:35.639 but maybe you just need to be quiet. 1:31:36.200 --> 1:31:37.439 So just be quiet. 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:44.160 To challenge myself to go internal and be comfortable in 1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:46.760 the home that is myself, in the home that is 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:51.240 my spirit and the silence of my own internal world 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:55.240 and navigating that and not jumping out there with an 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:58.479 opinion or a thought every single time it occurs to me. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:05.479 I challenge everyone else to value yourself and I will 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:08.599 say angelo about the psychological safety. That is one way 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:14.040 to sharpen your discernment around psychological safety. And if it 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:17.360 makes other people uncomfortable, to be uncomfortable in that, you know, 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:20.600 because my psychological safety should not really be a negotiation, 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.040 and I have to create that for myself. 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:24.679 So that's my CTA. 1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:33.679 This is gonna be the cringest ass podcast today. 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:38.360 I'm wearing this shirt today. This is protect your peace 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:45.200 as an affirmation because I feel like I haven't. My 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:51.280 voice is gone, guys, because I screamed so loud this week. 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:56.200 I did not mean to do this on the podcast. 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:56.960 We could just cut it. 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:03.240 I could cut it. 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:07.519 Well, we don't have to cut it. 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:14.559 But I will say that Angela protects other people's piece. 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:19.439 She is a warrior on behalf of so many other people. 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:23.639 So I would like to close out the podcast here 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:28.280 and pick up because I think Angela has a soulful 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:29.200 call to action. 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:31.679 That is putting a lump in my throat. 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:36.080 That maybe could be a good mini pod to talk 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:39.200 about what whatever protecting your piece looks like and what 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:42.559 Angela has gone through this week that is highlighting protecting 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:44.639 her piece for her So Andrew, if you're on board 1:33:44.680 --> 1:33:46.920 with that, I think this would be a good place 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.400 to close and invite our viewers to tune into the 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:52.599 mini pod so we can talk about what protecting your 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:53.240 piece looks like. 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:58.559 Indeed, then that's always we want to thank you for 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:01.320 your time. 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