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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode ninety seven, just three
Speaker 1: shy of one hundred of Natal lampid, where we give
Speaker 1: you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. We
Speaker 1: are your host, Angelo Rode, Tiffany Cross, and i'll manager Gellim.
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Speaker 1: Aside from will be at the CBC Foundations conference coming
Speaker 1: up soon, what else we got going.
Speaker 4: There's so much happening in the world.
Speaker 5: One of the things that I think we should definitely
Speaker 5: get to is this HBCU funding myth which is one
Speaker 5: that has followed Donald Trump since the first administration. So
Speaker 5: hopefully we can talk about that and what they do
Speaker 5: to just shift resources when it's not for billionaires, they
Speaker 5: just move the funding around.
Speaker 1: Tiff, what's up, Hi?
Speaker 6: There's a lot of heavy things going on, but Angela
Speaker 6: had a really great idea that I'm excited to talk
Speaker 6: about to have Sergio Hudson on the show. Today is
Speaker 6: Fashion Week running over the past few days in New York.
Speaker 6: Fashion Week is a really big deal for designers, and
Speaker 6: we're not having a flighty conversation about this. We're talking
Speaker 6: about the role that black influencers, in black celebrities play
Speaker 6: on brands and how that impacts commerce, what we wear,
Speaker 6: and how it drives opinions. And sometimes we can prioritize
Speaker 6: that thought that white is right, and we wear white designers,
Speaker 6: but we may not put our money or our time
Speaker 6: in black designers. So we're going to get into an
Speaker 6: economic but also a social conversation about that. And so
Speaker 6: I'm thrilled that we actually have Sergio Huson joining in
Speaker 6: the show, So you guys don't want to miss that,
Speaker 6: So stick around for that.
Speaker 1: Nice. That's good. That's good, y'all. So speaking on the
Speaker 1: heavy side, obviously, this last week in the country, we
Speaker 1: saw a political murder of Charlie Kirk and it's gathered
Speaker 1: a lot of attention and quite the how will you say,
Speaker 1: difference in reaction depending upon, frankly, the character of the
Speaker 1: person who's responding, and I'd love for us to just
Speaker 1: sort of talk a little bit about what this moment
Speaker 1: means for the country, for us, for our community, and
Speaker 1: give a little bit of reflection on that writ large.
Speaker 1: And with that, y'all, we're going to get into this show.
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Speaker 6: I think we should get to Charlie Kirk because something
Speaker 6: that was interesting in the comments, a lot of people
Speaker 6: were saying, I'm fifty nine minutes in and you guys
Speaker 6: haven't talked about Charlie Kirk yet. And so I do
Speaker 6: want our audience to understand that the shooting death of
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk occurred when we were wrapping up the recording
Speaker 6: of this podcast, so we were not aware and that's
Speaker 6: why we didn't get into it. But Angela did have
Speaker 6: a conversation with Michael Harriet, whose book is almost two
Speaker 6: years old and remains on the New York Times bestseller
Speaker 6: list Black af History, in her solo pod, where they
Speaker 6: didn't necessarily focus solely on Charlie Kirk, but talked about
Speaker 6: white violence. And I think that is an important part
Speaker 6: of this conversation today, Angela. Where can they find that
Speaker 6: if they could want to check that out.
Speaker 5: So all of our podcasts are available anywhere you get
Speaker 5: your podcasts, including our YouTube channel, So all of our
Speaker 5: podcasts can be found in the same place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiffany, I'm glad you raised that because, in truth,
Speaker 1: for the benefit of our audience, we did actually communicate
Speaker 1: after the news broke of the murder of Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: there in Utah, and my reaction when we had finished
Speaker 1: in rap recording and then learned about what it occurred,
Speaker 1: was obviously immediate, you know, regret, you know, to see
Speaker 1: you know, political violence kind of making the kind of
Speaker 1: return that we've seen it make in the past several
Speaker 1: months and years. Just think a couple of weeks back,
Speaker 1: the killing assassination, political assassination of political leaders who in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: who had served faithfully their state for many, many years,
Speaker 1: decades in cases, and had their lives just snuffed out.
Speaker 1: And so of course my immediate reaction being just deep
Speaker 1: regret about that, and that I think our humanity has
Speaker 1: to triumph over most things, hopefully everything, and situations like
Speaker 1: this that you can vehemently disagree with the person and
Speaker 1: find their belief system, you know, back age and backwoods
Speaker 1: and still not rejoice, you know, at an event so tragic.
Speaker 1: But I did also like that I was glad that
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, you know, while we were in the
Speaker 1: episode and knew about it, because I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: I could have you know, I would not. I can't
Speaker 1: feign mourning. I can certainly be honest about the loss
Speaker 1: of a life, and how tragic that is, certainly to
Speaker 1: a husband and father. For a husband and father leaving,
Speaker 1: you know, their young kids behind, they have every expectation
Speaker 1: to grow up with their dad. A spouse who you know,
Speaker 1: has every intention of spending their lives with their partner.
Speaker 1: So at a human level, I can get it, but
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily trust that I could in the moment
Speaker 1: really discount all the things that I know, all the
Speaker 1: things I've heard, all the things that bring me to
Speaker 1: such vehement disagreement. I hope that I could have trust
Speaker 1: my trusted myself to to balance all of that. But
Speaker 1: I'm not all the way certain My regrets still exists,
Speaker 1: and prayers for their family as they they deal with
Speaker 1: it can exist at the very humane level. And what
Speaker 1: can also exist, or rather coexists, is that I still
Speaker 1: very much so disagree with his words, and I think
Speaker 1: the legacy that his words will will leave, and my, my, my,
Speaker 1: my hope would have been that he would have had
Speaker 1: the benefit of living out a long life, certainly one
Speaker 1: long enough where he would have benefited from not just
Speaker 1: age and living, but wisdom that could have controverted you know,
Speaker 1: many of the thoughts that he had in his thirties.
Speaker 1: I think about myself in my thirties and the stuff
Speaker 1: I said, and the way in which I comported myself
Speaker 1: and the beauty that the gift that age gives us
Speaker 1: is the ability to I think, see more clearly, live
Speaker 1: a little bit more life, and hopefully learn something that
Speaker 1: Heck and my mid forties, I'm not the same you know, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I was in my in my early thirties. But that
Speaker 1: being said, this debate has really taken off, you know,
Speaker 1: almost the two sides of this thing, where if you
Speaker 1: were a sympathizer and a follower of Kirk, you have
Speaker 1: the monopoly on your mourning and monopoly on grief and
Speaker 1: monopoly on sorrow for another human's life being taken, and
Speaker 1: that if you square that with his real lived legacy,
Speaker 1: what he promoted in life, that somehow you're denigrating to
Speaker 1: him just as you celebrate him for what he said.
Speaker 1: At the same token, I can say I disagree, and
Speaker 1: I disagree vehemently with what he said in the danger
Speaker 1: that it brought to so many people. So I just
Speaker 1: I really hate that we're in this moment so ratcheted
Speaker 1: up at the very top, starting with our president of
Speaker 1: the United States, who should have used this as a
Speaker 1: moment to bring people together instead used it as a
Speaker 1: way to divide us further, and even the possibility of
Speaker 1: weaponizing government in a way that they use it as
Speaker 1: a cudgel against their political opponent, not in the vein
Speaker 1: of memorializing Charlie Kirk, but really, you know, with the
Speaker 1: intention of amassing more political power and really demolishing their
Speaker 1: political opponents. And there's just something deeply wrong about it
Speaker 1: at every level from my perspective. But I'm interested to
Speaker 1: hear how y'all felt and one learning the news but
Speaker 1: now having taken it in over this last week, how
Speaker 1: you how you how you sort of analyze the state
Speaker 1: of where we are.
Speaker 5: I would just say, we have a listener question on that,
Speaker 5: so if on this topic, so if we could get
Speaker 5: to that as well and then come back, I think
Speaker 5: that would be good.
Speaker 7: Angela is a favorite listener, Amos Cross and Amos Ry.
Speaker 7: So seeing any difference in reactions in our community, which
Speaker 7: has been a widespread of different reactions, do you believe
Speaker 7: that this is the time for us to have a
Speaker 7: good faith discussion in our community politically? I think eventually
Speaker 7: you will have to have one, but it's so who
Speaker 7: and what can facilitate such a conversation. I have black
Speaker 7: friends who are fairly educated at either New Trolley Kirk
Speaker 7: or I actually have one friend who actually worked with him,
Speaker 7: and they are all destroyed about his assassination. So do
Speaker 7: we call these people sell offs and just move on
Speaker 7: from them? It's important to talk right because our only gains,
Speaker 7: as you know, as a community, has been.
Speaker 1: Through the political system.
Speaker 7: And it wasn't because a pack of senators had a heart.
Speaker 8: It was because they wanted our votes.
Speaker 1: So with how fragmented we are, will.
Speaker 7: We ever see political benefits again as a community?
Speaker 1: Have a part tim to the question, but I.
Speaker 4: Shall thank you for the question.
Speaker 5: I think this is a really tricky topic for me
Speaker 5: because what I have a natural disposition to do is
Speaker 5: to protect black people. This shooting occurred, and shortly after
Speaker 5: the shooting occurred, the rhetoric around what happened at Utah
Speaker 5: Valley State, and I'm saying Utah for a reason. I
Speaker 5: would encourage our listeners to go and look up the
Speaker 5: demographics of Utah and the demographics most specifically at Utah
Speaker 5: Valley State. It was almost immediate that it was the
Speaker 5: dangerous left that was far more violent than anybody on
Speaker 5: the right, and the implication was almost that it was
Speaker 5: somebody who was black or brown and not from this country.
Speaker 5: The vitriol and the hate field speech and the violent
Speaker 5: speech around that, the number of posts on social media
Speaker 5: that I saw calling for war is the very reason
Speaker 5: why I had the podcast that I did yesterday, because
Speaker 5: there's something in us, and we talked about this that
Speaker 5: is epigenetically tied to the history of that type of
Speaker 5: hate speech, the type of speech that resulted in the
Speaker 5: destruction of our communities, the ones that we set up
Speaker 5: because we wanted to feel safe amongst our own. Some
Speaker 5: of those communities also include historically black colleges, which I
Speaker 5: know we're going to speak to later, but some of
Speaker 5: them were on lockdown the very next day after Charlie
Speaker 5: Kirk was killed because they were receiving threats. Just slightly
Speaker 5: under a dozen HBCUs received threats, including those that uh
Speaker 5: TIFFs Alma Mater Clark right there. There was Hampton, Alabama State,
Speaker 5: Virginia State, Southern University, and so many others. Spellman and
Speaker 5: went on lockdown, and under us they Esport a specific
Speaker 5: safety protocol. But I'm saying that to say that what
Speaker 5: we have to reckon with in this country, or maybe
Speaker 5: it's day at this point, have to reckon with in
Speaker 5: this country is why it is okay to hear about violence,
Speaker 5: a violent occurring, a violent death occurring, and automatically assume
Speaker 5: that that is on a When you look at the
Speaker 5: last several political assassinations, political killings, politically related deaths, those
Speaker 5: have all been done by white people. And so that
Speaker 5: is why we had a conversation about white on white crime,
Speaker 5: about white violence, about white hatred. While we're talking about this,
Speaker 5: we're not talking about the student that was found hanged
Speaker 5: at Delta State University. We don't know all the facts
Speaker 5: around that, but it is certainly earily timed that we
Speaker 5: should call a thing a thing. I think the last
Speaker 5: thing I just want to point out here that I
Speaker 5: also think is violent. We talked about the violent speech
Speaker 5: around war specifically and all that. What also is violent
Speaker 5: in this moment is misinformation. And there were several posts
Speaker 5: going up. One of them I even sent to a
Speaker 5: group of black media friends, like, do y'all know if
Speaker 5: this is true? I can't find anything on it, but
Speaker 5: do you see anything. There were a number of players
Speaker 5: in the NFL who they claimed we're supporting Charlie Kirk's
Speaker 5: family after the death. After his death, and there was
Speaker 5: nobody like going in to correct the record on these
Speaker 5: young folks that they weren't in fact doing that.
Speaker 4: If they were, that as their prerogative.
Speaker 5: But I find it really hard to believe that someone
Speaker 5: who was so vitriolic and hate Field and calling people
Speaker 5: that we know and love dumb and saying they don't
Speaker 5: deserve to be in position, that they would then go
Speaker 5: and say we're gonna set up these funds and pay
Speaker 5: for his funeral and do all of these things. Maybe
Speaker 5: that's a Christian way I just don't understand, but what
Speaker 5: it ended up being was violent misinformation, and I think
Speaker 5: that's something we also have to be calling out at
Speaker 5: this moment. And I apologize y'all for my voice.
Speaker 3: I like a raspy voice.
Speaker 6: I love when my voice sounds like that, But I
Speaker 6: you know, I have to say I would have completely
Speaker 6: trusted myself speaking in the moment about Charlie Kirk one
Speaker 6: because my aim is always to inform, and so you know,
Speaker 6: I remember being twenty two on the breaking news desk
Speaker 6: when things happen and you got to like write something
Speaker 6: really quick for an anger. So I would have been
Speaker 6: fine with it. Have been fine because my thoughts have
Speaker 6: not changed from the moment I heard about his death
Speaker 6: to how I feel now. And that is to say this,
Speaker 6: I nobody wishes death on anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't wish for anyone to be killed. And I
Speaker 6: also allow space for memorializing who this man was in life,
Speaker 6: and who he was in life is very apparent when
Speaker 6: we talk about political violence in this country, there is
Speaker 6: no debate about where it's coming from. Angeliue, you referenced
Speaker 6: the demographics of Utah, and so I just want folks
Speaker 6: to know it is nearly eighty seven percent white in Utah.
Speaker 6: The student body of Utah Valley University. Is that where
Speaker 6: it happened. Yeah, there, they have about thirty six thousand
Speaker 6: students who are not of color and then less than
Speaker 6: ten thousand students who are, and they don't disaggregate that demographic.
Speaker 6: And so but even without knowing that, like we know,
Speaker 6: Utah's a solid red state, extremely heavily Republican, So none
Speaker 6: of us were questioning about who the shooter might be
Speaker 6: and had we been on air, we would have been
Speaker 6: responsible enough to not speculate about that. And it was
Speaker 6: just surprising to see how the media just immediately latched
Speaker 6: on to whatever the White House said and presented it
Speaker 6: out there with very little filter. So it it's discouraging
Speaker 6: when you have to try to tell people you know,
Speaker 6: verify and the legacy media doesn't even do that. Since
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk's death, I will say, around around the time
Speaker 6: that he was murdered, he was encouraging a lawsuit again
Speaker 6: me for something I said. I don't need to relitigate
Speaker 6: it here, but I spoke about it at length with
Speaker 6: Michael Harriet for Contraband Camp. So I encourage you all
Speaker 6: to look at that interview if you want to see
Speaker 6: what I said. And I stand firm in what I said.
Speaker 6: I don't speak I try not to speak irresponsibly. But
Speaker 6: the death threats that not just myself, but so many
Speaker 6: people in our group chat have gotten have been extremely detailed,
Speaker 6: extremely provocative, extremely specific. They have said to some of
Speaker 6: our friends, They've named their address, they've named their family members,
Speaker 6: they've named towns where they live.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 6: Someone posted h to their followers when we see Tiffany
Speaker 6: Cross out and about on the streets, make sure we
Speaker 6: treat that dumb bitch like the terrorist she is. Remember,
Speaker 6: the Constitution says we can overthrow a corrupt government, and
Speaker 6: we can also take out any domestic terrorists.
Speaker 3: And right now all fake news are terrorists.
Speaker 6: So the conversation around right wing violence versus left wing violence,
Speaker 6: I think is an important one for us to have today.
Speaker 6: We are seeing facts are not facts anymore, and we
Speaker 6: are seeing the destruction of that and you know various
Speaker 6: You know how sports teams had a moment of silence,
Speaker 6: schools in Oklahoma had a moment of silence, And these
Speaker 6: things are incredibly corrosive to the moral spirit of people
Speaker 6: who may not have lived through something like this before.
Speaker 6: The DJ even scrubbed a study from its website that
Speaker 6: concluded that far right extremism has killed far more Americans
Speaker 6: than any other domestic threat. They scrubbed that study within
Speaker 6: our words of Charlie Kirk's death. There's a book God's
Speaker 6: Guns and Sedition Far Right Terrorism in America that documents
Speaker 6: how right wing extremism has been on the rise. If
Speaker 6: we look at just the incidents that's happened the past
Speaker 6: few years, from the storing of the US Capital, to
Speaker 6: Nancy Pelosi's husband, to the two state lawmakers, to the
Speaker 6: attempted stabbing of the gubernatorial candidate Lee Zelden. Even Trump
Speaker 6: Donald Trump faced threats on his life, the kid, the
Speaker 6: young people, the young staffers at the Jewish Museum. A
Speaker 6: majority of that violence comes from right wing I also
Speaker 6: think it's important, Andrew, that when you hear these studies,
Speaker 6: you have to ask, how are these studies conducted? You know,
Speaker 6: you might read, you know, according to the Cato Incident
Speaker 6: or according to the Cato Institute. This is, you know,
Speaker 6: the data around right wing studies according to cap or whatever.
Speaker 6: But I tend to dig into those studies. When did
Speaker 6: you conduct this study? Well, how are you categorizing right
Speaker 6: wing extremism? How are you categorizing left wing extremism. It
Speaker 6: all still leads to the same thing that most of
Speaker 6: this comes from right wing extremists. But I just want
Speaker 6: folks to know. Oftentimes they will categorize left wing attacks
Speaker 6: as those motivated by animal abuse, environmentalism, of anti police sentiment,
Speaker 6: and we know what that means for black people. When
Speaker 6: they talk about right wing extremism, they are including at
Speaker 6: tax motivated motivated by sentiments like white supremacy and anti abortion.
Speaker 6: So as we get into this conversation, I just want
Speaker 6: to set that tone with actual information, and just because
Speaker 6: you might quote a study or something, I think it's
Speaker 6: important to know how they gathered that data and the
Speaker 6: story that that data might tell us. But Andrew, I
Speaker 6: know that you too think that we should memorialize him
Speaker 6: using his own words, Oh for.
Speaker 1: Sure, which is why that's what we'll do. On the
Speaker 1: other side of this, we'll hear Charlie Kirk and Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk's along the words comparing abortion to the Holocaust. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I am. In fact, it's worse.
Speaker 10: It's worse where these blacks trying to go rob her
Speaker 10: happening all the time in urban America. Prowling blacks go
Speaker 10: around for fun to go target white people.
Speaker 1: That's a fact.
Speaker 10: Black crime is a major issue in our country. Why
Speaker 10: are you pushing criminal justice reform?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 10: Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Shila Jackson Lee and
Speaker 10: Catangi Brown Jackson, they're coming out and they're saying, I'm
Speaker 10: only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know you
Speaker 10: do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be
Speaker 10: taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white
Speaker 10: person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. Now, the
Speaker 10: southern border is, of course the great replacement they're trying
Speaker 10: to replace demographically. They're trying to make the country less white.
Speaker 10: It is an anti white agenda. If I see a
Speaker 10: black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
Speaker 10: Taylor Swift is now engaged to Travis Kelcey. This is
Speaker 10: something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative.
Speaker 10: Reject feminism, Submit to your husband, Taylor, you're not in charge.
Speaker 10: America was at its peak when we halted immigration for
Speaker 10: forty years and we dropped our foreign born percentage to
Speaker 10: its lowest level ever.
Speaker 1: Miss Rachel.
Speaker 10: You quote Leviticus nineteen, Love your neighbors yourself. The chapter
Speaker 10: before affirms God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.
Speaker 1: In Leviticus eighteen is that.
Speaker 10: Thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death.
Speaker 10: Can we get that picture up, Ryan, of that Marvel's
Speaker 10: Avenger team. Now, I don't know who the person is
Speaker 10: on the left. Is the person on the left that
Speaker 10: tray that came into the interview with Joe the TikTok.
Speaker 10: Your government is being run by freaks. Immediately, I have
Speaker 10: like a flashback to a country where weren't able to
Speaker 10: do bud light commercials. What is being trans even mean?
Speaker 10: Does it even is that even a real thing? It
Speaker 10: means you need therapy. We must ban trans affirming care
Speaker 10: the entire country. I do think that there is a
Speaker 10: direct correlation between someone's testosterone and their politics. On young men,
Speaker 10: the lower their testosterone, the more likely they are to
Speaker 10: be democratic.
Speaker 11: So if you had a daughter and she was ten
Speaker 11: and she got rapped and she was going to give birth,
Speaker 11: and she would wait, oh, and she was gonna give
Speaker 11: birth and she was gonna live, would you want her
Speaker 11: to go through that and carry her baby? It's no,
Speaker 11: but it's a real life scenario that happens to many people.
Speaker 10: Answer is yes, the baby would be delivered. When blacks
Speaker 10: in America did not have the same rights they had today,
Speaker 10: were less, they were less murderous, there was less break ins.
Speaker 1: Why is that so?
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, are you trying to say that blacks thrive
Speaker 12: under subjecation.
Speaker 10: I'm saying that I'm asking you the question. The data
Speaker 10: shows they were actually better. In the nineteen forties, it
Speaker 10: was bad, it was evil, but what happened, something changed.
Speaker 10: I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm
Speaker 10: going to trust my friends the administration.
Speaker 1: So clearly y'all can hear the pure hatred, the indecency,
Speaker 1: the inhumanity, the trafficking, and just the most gutterist form
Speaker 1: of not even politics of humanity, you know that we
Speaker 1: have to live with. But I'll tell you I worked
Speaker 1: for a civil liberties organization for the majority of my
Speaker 1: working life, people for the American Way, and part of
Speaker 1: our founder Norman Lear's, you know, real premise was the
Speaker 1: fact that even a Charlie Kirk would we have to
Speaker 1: defend his ability to say whatever the hell he thinks
Speaker 1: and believes, even if it is something that we disagree
Speaker 1: with vehemently and in truth. The right used to hold
Speaker 1: up the banner. That's you know, these liberal touchy feely
Speaker 1: woke what is the other one, the cancel culture? And
Speaker 1: now these are the same people who are attempting to
Speaker 1: regulate what it is that we say, to redefine free
Speaker 1: speech as no freedom to speak at all. Let's hear
Speaker 1: from our top cop, top prosecutor and what she in
Speaker 1: this administration have to say about.
Speaker 13: That there's free speech and then there's hate speech, and
Speaker 13: there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened
Speaker 13: to Charlie in our society.
Speaker 14: Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
Speaker 14: who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people,
Speaker 14: so we show them that some action is better than
Speaker 14: no action.
Speaker 13: We will absolutely target you, go after you if you.
Speaker 4: Are targeting anyone with.
Speaker 13: Hate speech anything, and that's across the aisle, you know.
Speaker 1: Love it or hate it. Hate speech unfortunately is still
Speaker 1: projected speech and under the Constitution and by the Supreme Corps.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, there's a lot troubling about
Speaker 1: what Pam Bondi said there, but I was struck first
Speaker 1: by her saying we will absolutely, especially after what happened
Speaker 1: to Charlie kurt As if she wasn't around three four
Speaker 1: five weeks ago, when legislators were struck down in their
Speaker 1: beds practically in the middle of the night, awoken by
Speaker 1: right wing extremists coming to kill them, and you know,
Speaker 1: by the grace of God, many other legislators were spare.
Speaker 1: So I tell you it'd be one thing if you
Speaker 1: could trust the government to clamp down on quote hate
Speaker 1: speech if they were actually going to do it justly
Speaker 1: and rightly, and go to the people who are actually provocateurs
Speaker 1: of hate speech, because that would mean they'd have to
Speaker 1: clean out their own bedrooms first. But I have no
Speaker 1: trust in it. And where I see a going now
Speaker 1: with this Attorney general slash personal counselor to Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is the weaponizing of all of the forces of government
Speaker 1: to include stripping people of their five oh one C
Speaker 1: three non tax tax status, organizations, prosecuting presidents of organizations
Speaker 1: C three C fours, and then forget about us, y'all podcasters,
Speaker 1: every day folks who are out just demanding justice in
Speaker 1: their community, who are now being accused of hate speech
Speaker 1: because they happen to disagree with the people who happen
Speaker 1: to be in government. Now, I wonder does that ring
Speaker 1: alarm bells for y'all? And what warnings do we need
Speaker 1: to give to our community about the win which they
Speaker 1: may now use their power to subjugate us further.
Speaker 5: You know, the thing that comes to mind is, well,
Speaker 5: it's twofold. One is there's been a lot of conversation
Speaker 5: on right versus left, But I still think this is
Speaker 5: a conversation about white versus white. The reason I'm saying
Speaker 5: that is because the Emmet Til Anti Lynching Act was
Speaker 5: just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. Right, This
Speaker 5: was just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. And
Speaker 5: I'm bringing that up to say that the protection of
Speaker 5: black people against violent rhetoric and then the violent actions
Speaker 5: that are taken on the other side of that violent
Speaker 5: rhetoric was just put into law three years ago. We
Speaker 5: have to have the conversation that many have been afraid to.
Speaker 5: I don't think that this is along ideological lines. This
Speaker 5: is a race battle. This is one where there are
Speaker 5: governors of progressive, liberal and even moderate democratic states, so
Speaker 5: left states that have flags flying at half mass, or
Speaker 5: that we're flying at half mass in honor of this
Speaker 5: man's contributions to society, even when those contributions resulted in
Speaker 5: death threats to people we love, like Tiff.
Speaker 4: I think that is something we have to wrestle with.
Speaker 5: Why is it that someone who can cause such great
Speaker 5: grave harm to people who look like us be celebrated
Speaker 5: and given a hero's welcome. Why is it that the
Speaker 5: Confederate soldiers, folks who they read about with glory, even
Speaker 5: though we know the real story, get celebrated, statues, schools
Speaker 5: named after them, streets named after them, all of the
Speaker 5: things that are being talked about someone who frankly utilized
Speaker 5: Confederate ideology in his podcast regularly, right, Like, how is
Speaker 5: that something that we should protect, honor and lift up.
Speaker 5: I think that that is something that really has to
Speaker 5: be wrestled with in this country, and it is highly problematic,
Speaker 5: and it is absolutely violent. It is the kind of
Speaker 5: thing where it felt like to me we were being
Speaker 5: gas lit for the last week literally since we walked
Speaker 5: off air on our podcast. I'm just like, what are
Speaker 5: they seeing about this human being that I do not see?
Speaker 5: When I hear what he says, it sounds harmful. When
Speaker 5: I hear what he says, it sounds like, is I
Speaker 5: know it's a lie? You know, like talking about our
Speaker 5: brain processing power? Those are things that they did in
Speaker 5: po genetic studies for years under the guise of medical care.
Speaker 5: The way that they practiced on our bodies and experimented
Speaker 5: on us, All of those things are racist, and those
Speaker 5: are the very things racial eugenics that he's lifting up. Right,
Speaker 5: So anyway, I just it's it's not a right versus
Speaker 5: left conversation. Well, it's a versus white conversation.
Speaker 1: I hear you, I absolutely hear you. I will say, though,
Speaker 1: I think it's different saying that a person didn't does shit.
Speaker 1: We don't celebrate or lift up the murder of people
Speaker 1: who happen to that we happen to disagree with it
Speaker 1: will be on the opposite side of us. I think
Speaker 1: that's a hardline. Period enough said, that's my statement there.
Speaker 1: But I also agree with you that this idea, the
Speaker 1: honorifics that have been extended by the American on behalf
Speaker 1: of the American taxpayer has been mind boggling. I can
Speaker 1: agree that you should not be killed for your political beliefs,
Speaker 1: and at the same time, I can say I do
Speaker 1: not believe that American taxpayer dollars should have been used
Speaker 1: to fly a private citizen's body in an American aircraft
Speaker 1: with such dignity and honorifics that were extended by this
Speaker 1: administration that we want to.
Speaker 4: Say issue with political beliefs. To me, what he said, well,
Speaker 4: what did you take?
Speaker 1: I do take issue with that. The problem is is
Speaker 1: there are people who disagree as vehemently with the things
Speaker 1: we believe.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying what he'spewed, was it political beliefs? They were?
Speaker 15: It was it was it was a political belief to
Speaker 15: the extent that it drove them to the conclusion that
Speaker 15: that is why DEI should not exist, and that is
Speaker 15: why we shouldn't put black people on the US Supreme Court,
Speaker 15: and that is why we shouldn't have black pilots, male
Speaker 15: or female, flying commercial airliners and jets of large proportion.
Speaker 1: So when, when when their racist beliefs lead to public
Speaker 1: policy prescripts, then absolutely it's gonna you go hear from
Speaker 1: me on all sides of it, because consequentially, I could
Speaker 1: deal with a person who hates me because of the
Speaker 1: color of my skin but don't have the power to
Speaker 1: do shit about it.
Speaker 5: But I guess what I'm saying different, it's the person looks.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm saying, no, no.
Speaker 11: No, no.
Speaker 1: I agree that it's not just political consequences. I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I think about Ruby Freeman and her daughter and the
Speaker 1: terra that they had to exist and try to survive
Speaker 1: through at the hands of the Trump presidential campaign, and
Speaker 1: they're lingering folks, So I get what it means for
Speaker 1: us down deep. But what I'm saying, the reason why
Speaker 1: I where I take exception, where you're going to hear
Speaker 1: from me, is when your belief system, and your disparaging
Speaker 1: belief about me, my wife, my family, the conditions in
Speaker 1: which we live and the values of which we hold,
Speaker 1: is when they lead to a political outcome that then
Speaker 1: disenfranchises me, That then creates the permission structure for my murder,
Speaker 1: That then creates the permission structure for me to be
Speaker 1: fireful without cause, with no justification, simply because of the
Speaker 1: color of my skin.
Speaker 5: And That's what I'm saying. The ramifications are far beyond politics.
Speaker 5: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying his belief
Speaker 5: system is one that impacted nonprofit and philanthropic giving. It
Speaker 5: impacted whether or not there was DEI policy in the
Speaker 5: federal government, in state and local governments, and in corporations.
Speaker 4: It impacted whether or not kids could be admitted to school.
Speaker 5: And sure we can say that even a court decision
Speaker 5: is a policy based could have policy based impacts, and
Speaker 5: is therefore political. But what I don't want to do,
Speaker 5: hopefully in this conversation, is limits this man's rhetoric and
Speaker 5: dangerous impact on society to squarely political because it was
Speaker 5: so far beyond politics.
Speaker 1: Well, as a political scientist, politics is again about the
Speaker 1: study of people, so it isn't necessarily derivative of whether
Speaker 1: or not that study has implications on public policy. So
Speaker 1: I understand that you don't want us to talk strictly
Speaker 1: in that vein all the reason I have to say
Speaker 1: why I think politics can't even begin to completely encapsulate
Speaker 1: the danger. Yes, right, the danger presented. And that's why
Speaker 1: his murder matters is because in life, the way in
Speaker 1: which he could impact our everyday existence in this country
Speaker 1: simply by his utterances as ignorant as as as ignorant
Speaker 1: as they were. Yeah, I think it got JD elected,
Speaker 1: got Trump re elected, got you know, so on and
Speaker 1: so forth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you I understand your point, Andrew, I
Speaker 6: really do. I deeply connect with your point, Angela, and
Speaker 6: I think you both are you know, Angela, you might
Speaker 6: be starting here, and Andrew you pick up here.
Speaker 3: But if we're both all.
Speaker 6: Going the same direction in the same lane, I connect,
Speaker 6: I think, Angela with your point deeply because it is
Speaker 6: our humanity.
Speaker 3: Andrew.
Speaker 6: I think what you're saying is yes, but that policy
Speaker 6: will impact our humanity. I think because I'm looking at
Speaker 6: this strictly through the lens of humanity, I hear you
Speaker 6: Andrew that, Yes, of course we don't celebrate someone's murder,
Speaker 6: we don't uplift it, we don't encourage things like that,
Speaker 6: of course, because we are rooted in humanity. But I
Speaker 6: will be hones this with you. I do not grieve it,
Speaker 6: not for a single solitary second.
Speaker 3: This I grieve it, right.
Speaker 6: I don't think any of us gree but I'm just
Speaker 6: saying it's almost getting to the point where it's like
Speaker 6: you have to come out and grieve this. I do
Speaker 6: not grieve it, not for a single second. When our
Speaker 6: disagreement is rooted in my destruction, I do not grieve
Speaker 6: that death. It was not just Charlie Kirk. I mean,
Speaker 6: he is not the martyr here. Tana Hase Coates did
Speaker 6: some amazing thought piece for Vanity Fair, and he did
Speaker 6: some really in depth reporting within this thought piece, Crystal Clanton,
Speaker 6: the group's turning point is his group turning point.
Speaker 3: USA. She wants texted.
Speaker 6: According to ton of Hakki's reporting, she wants to text
Speaker 6: and this is triple facts. I talked to ton of
Speaker 6: Haze about this. This is vetted and fact checked. She wants,
Speaker 6: texted a fellow Turning Point employee, I hate black people,
Speaker 6: like fuck them all.
Speaker 3: I hate black's end of story.
Speaker 6: One of the group's advisors, Written McIntosh, published a newsletter
Speaker 6: featuring an essay from a writer that said blacks had
Speaker 6: become socially incompatible with other races and black culture is
Speaker 6: unfixable and a crime written mess. In twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: after three black football players were killed at a school,
Speaker 6: Meg Miller, president of Turning Points chapter at the University
Speaker 6: of Missouri, quote unquote, joked in a social media message,
Speaker 6: if they would have killed four more niggers, we would
Speaker 6: have had the whole week off.
Speaker 3: So this is the ilk of people who.
Speaker 6: He followed, who the ruling class is suggesting that we
Speaker 6: mourn that we grave when really we were like, so
Speaker 6: what's y'all having for dinner tonight?
Speaker 3: Like what's everybody doing this weekend?
Speaker 6: You know, it was not this moment of grief for us,
Speaker 6: and I will not be scared into silence around that.
Speaker 6: I think we have every right and if not even
Speaker 6: a right, a responsibility to say that's it this is
Speaker 6: how we feel. I don't know Andrew what you're talking about.
Speaker 6: There is a pathway to a solution. I think in
Speaker 6: our politics there's a pathway to a solution.
Speaker 1: But the not one that doesn't go through our humanity.
Speaker 3: This is my point.
Speaker 6: The humanity piece I do not believe has a solution.
Speaker 6: I don't know the solution around that. I don't know
Speaker 6: that there is a solution, which is why I deeply
Speaker 6: connect it with Angel's point around humanity right.
Speaker 1: Part of where I come from on this about how
Speaker 1: they see my humanity, and it's probably built out of
Speaker 1: the fact that I live in the South. There is
Speaker 1: a polite disagree There is a polite understanding that we
Speaker 1: are oftentimes co located walking next to, standing in line,
Speaker 1: in front of, or behind somebody who doesn't respect my humanity,
Speaker 1: doesn't believe I deserve what I got and where I am,
Speaker 1: or or would wish me the worst. I almost in
Speaker 1: so many cases wish that they could just say the thing.
Speaker 1: And part of what I appreciate in sub cases about
Speaker 1: it and Souf is someone will call you a nigger right,
Speaker 1: or will put it on their truck or fly their
Speaker 1: Confederate flag. You know, Hi, you know, loud and proud
Speaker 1: on that said truck to just remind you of where
Speaker 1: they think your place is. And so much of me
Speaker 1: has been muted to that. It's like, okay, cool, you
Speaker 1: make your way right on back down the street, the
Speaker 1: way it is you live, and what all you've earned
Speaker 1: and accumulated for yourself and for your family. But the
Speaker 1: place where it is a non negotiable is when that
Speaker 1: thing starts to then impact where my kids get to
Speaker 1: go to school, how they get to experience their education,
Speaker 1: whether or not they can compete competitively, either for debate
Speaker 1: or for football, base or dance or ballet, whatever it
Speaker 1: is that they choose, whether it impacts my ability and
Speaker 1: then compete on the job. And I know that it
Speaker 1: does right because a lot of these people then get
Speaker 1: to take those same attitudes into managerial positions deciding who
Speaker 1: gets to then join this part of the workforce. But
Speaker 1: as it relates, I don't want to go on a
Speaker 1: crazy tangent, but I just wanted to say I'm less muted,
Speaker 1: I'm more muted to their respect from my humanity, and
Speaker 1: I'm much more cinched in this idea of when you're
Speaker 1: backwards ass you know, depraved beliefs, really about yourself, because
Speaker 1: I know that's what's at the seat of it all
Speaker 1: is the fact that you and I can't compete with
Speaker 1: each other. We're not in the same league. You're absolutely correct,
Speaker 1: and you got four hundred years plus of denigration on
Speaker 1: me to have all the levels above. But unfortunately you
Speaker 1: and I found your yourself and real competition, and you
Speaker 1: cannot take.
Speaker 3: The heart I'm not competition.
Speaker 1: It's again if we had to be generous with the word,
Speaker 1: now you find yourself in competition with me, and you realize, well,
Speaker 1: what their parents realize is that they're back on the couch.
Speaker 1: That their parents know is they didn't got the jobs
Speaker 1: that they thought that they were going to be given
Speaker 1: off of their quality, which now they are having to
Speaker 1: compete off of the content and the quality, and they
Speaker 1: can't pass the mustard. And so that fury is is
Speaker 1: really a rejection and in reflection of the fact that
Speaker 1: they are not prepared for this moment.
Speaker 6: Yes they're not, but I don't think they've been prepared
Speaker 6: for a lot of moments. But I think that is
Speaker 6: the the the overwhelming evidence supports that racist, conservative white people,
Speaker 6: whatever category they fall in, the right wing extremist, maga,
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call them. The truth is they
Speaker 6: do not believe in themselves enough. Because if they believe
Speaker 6: in themselves enough, they would not have to keep the
Speaker 6: playing field.
Speaker 3: So seesaw so.
Speaker 6: Lots of exactly, and so because they don't, while we
Speaker 6: have so much belief in ourselves, we can look at
Speaker 6: this lopsided playing field and say, watch me, hurtle every
Speaker 6: one of these mothers, and I'm gonna go well beyond.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna reach depths that they have not even thought about.
Speaker 6: And that is something that they find infuriating, that they
Speaker 6: cannot coexist with.
Speaker 3: And they respond in violence.
Speaker 6: And you know the thing I will say about this
Speaker 6: violence that's so scary is I watched the video of
Speaker 6: him getting shot through through the neck more times than
Speaker 6: I care to admit, in fear because that shot was precise.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just made me sick.
Speaker 6: I was terrified watching that because we all speak publicly.
Speaker 6: And what frightened me about it is in the immediate aftermath,
Speaker 6: it was almost a whisper of go seek revenge. You
Speaker 6: guys like go go out and whoever did this.
Speaker 4: It was on bullhorn and it was on every social post.
Speaker 1: From the highest levels of I mean, that's what I
Speaker 1: mean that it was a permission structure.
Speaker 4: That was loud, that was.
Speaker 5: Truth social let's pull the post.
Speaker 4: And when it was saying they.
Speaker 5: Weren't mourning and we weren't mourning and grieving, I was
Speaker 5: morning and grief.
Speaker 1: Follow the orders, right, because otherwise would not have had
Speaker 1: to close.
Speaker 5: You were mourning way, So I'm mourning and grieving our
Speaker 5: ability to it feels like there are pieces of our
Speaker 5: freedom that are being dismantled every single day, sometimes by
Speaker 5: the hour. So not grieving someone who's caused pain, but
Speaker 5: grieving what is going to be the repercussions on us
Speaker 5: and our freedoms as a result of how they began
Speaker 5: to frame this narrative.
Speaker 4: And even now when.
Speaker 5: As soon as they found out that that little white
Speaker 5: boy killed him, it was prayers up for him. Before
Speaker 5: they realized that it was not a black or brown person,
Speaker 5: they were on our heads like we ready to put
Speaker 5: y'all back in the belly of a slave ship and
Speaker 5: send you back across the ocean, right. And then as
Speaker 5: soon as they realized who he was, the prayers up.
Speaker 5: Now the frame is about whether or not he had
Speaker 5: a trans partner who was transitioning in the fall, so
Speaker 5: they can put it back at the feet of the left.
Speaker 1: Which is by the way, insane, right, Yes, because none
Speaker 1: of us. First of all, I've been around LGBT politics
Speaker 1: from my work professionally and also personally, and I would
Speaker 1: never connote simply a person's identity as an LGBTQ per
Speaker 1: as being less right. I don't know what you were
Speaker 1: raised in a conservative Utah household, And simply because your
Speaker 1: life partner at this time and your life might be
Speaker 1: a trans person does not tell me anything about what
Speaker 1: you think about me. Hello, thank you, And the examples
Speaker 1: can go on and on and on. So even the
Speaker 1: trans pivot that the right is attempting to make that
Speaker 1: on square with my politics, necessarily I don't know. While
Speaker 1: I am a supporter of trans rights, what I don't
Speaker 1: know is anything about what this man believed politically. And
Speaker 1: by the way, he's never voted a day in his lives.
Speaker 6: It's not just the right attachment that, it's the media
Speaker 6: like they are clamping onto that too.
Speaker 1: Is there a difference because.
Speaker 6: Responsibility like I know these people and they're on air
Speaker 6: like I know them, and just to hear them regurgitate
Speaker 6: what talking points from the White House or tap dance
Speaker 6: around what's real. It's so disappointing to see it's just
Speaker 6: a I don't know, it's just a lost cause. And
Speaker 6: I just feel like on some level at this point
Speaker 6: I have been I feel so disconnected from politics. But
Speaker 6: I totally understand your point are and you brought it
Speaker 6: home beautifully when you were talking about impact where your
Speaker 6: kids can go to school, and those are very real,
Speaker 6: tangible things. But when I get to the humanity piece,
Speaker 6: it just I don't know. I just feel so disconnected
Speaker 6: from this landscape and the closest thing I can compare
Speaker 6: it to I think you know about like enslaved women
Speaker 6: or just women who were trying to make it during
Speaker 6: the civil rights movement in the forties, fifties and sixties,
Speaker 6: when your spirit is in such danger that you got
Speaker 6: to huddle together and you've so far above you can't
Speaker 6: even meddle in this melee right now, It can feel
Speaker 6: like that is the devil's business to be even engaging
Speaker 6: you in conversation and what you call a good health debate.
Speaker 6: The one thing, and I think it's even above this,
Speaker 6: but the word that you use Angela that I have
Speaker 6: been I don't know if you created this phrase or not,
Speaker 6: but I have definitely been using it as though it
Speaker 6: is my own, and that is psychological safety. Ever since
Speaker 6: you've said that, I've said that so often because that
Speaker 6: is what I feel. Every time I'm doing Abby show,
Speaker 6: I do like all day I'm tight, I feel so
Speaker 6: just uncomfortable. When I walk in there, I feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: And when I feel that way in life, I vacate.
Speaker 6: I flee, like don't. I don't engage in that. And
Speaker 6: I at this point, am starting to feel that way
Speaker 6: off TV sets. I'm starting to feel that way around people.
Speaker 6: And in my spirit, something is stirring saying it is
Speaker 6: time to elevate.
Speaker 3: It is time to in this.
Speaker 6: The spirit inside you that is on this earth having
Speaker 6: a human experience needs to elevate. And I feel that
Speaker 6: spirit of commonality and a whole lot of other black
Speaker 6: women too. Now it could be with black men, but
Speaker 6: I talk to a lot of black women who just
Speaker 6: are We're kind of observing, like Wow, this is really happening.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean we're apathetic.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean we're not gonna vote, doesn't mean we're
Speaker 6: not organizing, but I take very extended breaks from looking
Speaker 6: at the minutia of what's happening in this world because
Speaker 6: it weighs my spirit down in a way that doesn't
Speaker 6: feel right to me. It doesn't feel natural to me.
Speaker 6: So I don't know what other people are going through
Speaker 6: what I feel that.
Speaker 1: That's powerful, and I know we're closing out, but well.
Speaker 5: And just really quick, I do want to say that
Speaker 5: while this country continues to grieve so many instances of
Speaker 5: loss of life, political officials who were in states that
Speaker 5: where flags were not flowing half masks and they weren't
Speaker 5: even acknowledged by the president for losing their lives. But
Speaker 5: I also want to point out that the day after
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk was killed last Thursday, there was another high
Speaker 5: school shooting at Evergreen High School in Colorado. And I
Speaker 5: think it's important for us to realize that yes, people
Speaker 5: kill people, but the access to guns and the lack
Speaker 5: of gun safety in this country will continue to perpetuate
Speaker 5: all types of harm and violence if we don't get
Speaker 5: it under control. I think that is a non partisan problem.
Speaker 5: Bullets are nonpartisan, and so should our ideology be around
Speaker 5: protecting citizens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you'd almost think our humanity would also
Speaker 1: be non partisan adviting.
Speaker 4: How about that.
Speaker 6: Before a search I'll comes on, Andrew, do we have
Speaker 6: time to talk at least briefly about HBCUs or do
Speaker 6: y'all want to do that in the mini.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear, Angela. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable just sort of bringing us into that real quick.
Speaker 1: I think it's important that we RaSE suspected for our
Speaker 1: community about what's happening on the funding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 5: First, I just want to acknowledge that our schools have
Speaker 5: been fighting for their lives since the foundation. You all
Speaker 5: as should we see you grad certainly know that you know,
Speaker 5: historically black colleges and universities have to do more with
Speaker 5: less all the time, and this is no different. So
Speaker 5: the Trump administration recently made an announcement that it was
Speaker 5: giving five hundred million dollars to historically black colleges and
Speaker 5: universities after cutting funding for minority serving institutions. And what
Speaker 5: I wanted to do in this moment was just a
Speaker 5: flag that this was not a new grant or a
Speaker 5: new gift like what they do for rich taxpayers. It
Speaker 5: actually resulted from a taking so this administration cut three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty million dollars that supported minority students in
Speaker 5: science and engineering in STEM fields. We know that black
Speaker 5: students are are historically underrepresented in STEM fields. Three hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty million dollars was cut from federal grants two
Speaker 5: minority serving institutions. Again, remember that number three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty million. There was a five hundred million dollar influx
Speaker 5: to HBCUs and to charters. Nearly one hundred and forty
Speaker 5: million was cut from teacher training programs because the administration
Speaker 5: claims that it promoted quote racially divisive ideology. Additionally, fifteen
Speaker 5: million was cut from Magnet schools specifically created to combat
Speaker 5: school segregation and provide educational opportunity for black students. And lastly,
Speaker 5: nine million cut from Gifted and Talented programs. The administration
Speaker 5: said that these used quote racial targeting and recruitment, suggesting
Speaker 5: they were actively working to include black students. Now here's
Speaker 5: the thing that I just want to flag, because people
Speaker 5: love to say that something was the lesser of two
Speaker 5: evils when we talk about our politics. The difference between
Speaker 5: the five hundred million dollar transfer from minority serving institutions
Speaker 5: and programs that help black students is that under the
Speaker 5: Biden Harris administration, they invested seventeen billion over four years
Speaker 5: to historically black colleges and universities, and those were not
Speaker 5: transfers from other minority serving institutions. I think people will
Speaker 5: often and I want to flag this for our audience
Speaker 5: because we can get a little black versus brown, black
Speaker 5: versus indigenous on here in ways that I don't like.
Speaker 5: Let me make it clear to you that one bucket
Speaker 5: I used to work for an organization that represents historically
Speaker 5: black colleges and universities. It's called NAFIO, the National Association
Speaker 5: for Equal Opportunity and Higher Education. You can look it
Speaker 5: up to fact check me. Under Minority serving institutions and
Speaker 5: Title three funding is something called predominantly Black institutions. So
Speaker 5: it's not just Hispanic serving its institutions and Native American
Speaker 5: serving institutions that experience these cuts, it's also predominantly black institutions.
Speaker 1: I would I appreciate that, Angela. I would also simply
Speaker 1: add that also be careful where it is that they
Speaker 1: are targeting the influx of resources, because if you've experienced
Speaker 1: being an HBC in a state like mind, like Florida,
Speaker 1: where on one hand they like to look like they're
Speaker 1: dangling these nice influxes of resources, but with the other hand,
Speaker 1: and sometimes with the same damn hand they're giving. They
Speaker 1: are taking away our professional degree programs. They are reducing
Speaker 1: our ability to produce massterial and doctoral degree programs. They're
Speaker 1: removing research funding from US and putting it with pwis
Speaker 1: eliminating the opportunity for our kids to get our college
Speaker 1: students to get access to that. So essentially, what they
Speaker 1: have resigned themselves to is if we're going to support
Speaker 1: blacker educational institutions, we will support them in being a
Speaker 1: bacalaureate degree manufacturing institution, but we will not put resources
Speaker 1: into their ability to become lawyers, doctors, professional degree earning
Speaker 1: seeking and earning individuals where they can earn greater resource,
Speaker 1: more money, attain higher degrees, more pay, and also ability
Speaker 1: with certain positions to attain those positions. But we'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and give them a baculoia degree manufacturing institution, but
Speaker 1: we won't offer them the opportunity at higher levels of education,
Speaker 1: higher levels of opportunity for research where they are quickly
Speaker 1: and assiduously moving the cheese is in the direction of
Speaker 1: that level of educational performance and production and then trying
Speaker 1: to relegate us to only being baculoiate degree granting institutions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think this is a conversation we'll pick
Speaker 6: up again and again because it's to me it seems
Speaker 6: like a coded effort to stoke a war, to have
Speaker 6: communities fighting over crumbs while.
Speaker 1: They always steak.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, will visit this.
Speaker 4: Okay, native lampod vam.
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Speaker 5: to join people who will become like dear family members
Speaker 5: to us. And they are joining us here to talk
Speaker 5: about really the role they've had as black designers, a
Speaker 5: fashion powerhouse in this industry, the many ways in which
Speaker 5: it is challenging, in all of the many ways in
Speaker 5: which they've overcome, they are inga Beckham, who is the
Speaker 5: CEO of Sergio Husband and Sergio Husband himself the creative
Speaker 5: director and co founder with Inga Beckham of this incredible brand.
Speaker 4: Hey, y'all, we missed the shows.
Speaker 3: I'm so bummed I can be there.
Speaker 6: Well, you'll see on the screen pictures of Angela and
Speaker 6: I each year sitting there gawking and drooling over every
Speaker 6: dress and design coming down. We literally sit there the
Speaker 6: whole time just tapping each other. And we are very
Speaker 6: lucky and fortunate to be donned in Sergio when we
Speaker 6: were seated front row in Sergio Hudson's show, So we
Speaker 6: consider it an honor and a privilege to be on
Speaker 6: your invite list every year. So thank you both. So
Speaker 6: y'all have come through, and Inga, you know y'all have
Speaker 6: come through for us many many times. So we love
Speaker 6: you both.
Speaker 3: But Inga, you know we.
Speaker 6: We we owe you drinks and dinners, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Yes, and all the flowers.
Speaker 5: But I do want to just say we do appreciate y'all,
Speaker 5: And I think Tip what you said is a good
Speaker 5: place to start. Tip talked about the two of us
Speaker 5: being there, but also y'all know the machetes show up
Speaker 5: regularly to Sergio Hudson fashion shows twice a year where
Speaker 5: Fashion Week takes place.
Speaker 4: You all have been clutch for us emotionally.
Speaker 5: You all have been clutch for us just you know,
Speaker 5: in terms of all the ratchet things we do, cracking
Speaker 5: all the jokes, and I think that we together have
Speaker 5: built a community of encouragement. And so the expectation I
Speaker 5: have for y'all is that our community would support you
Speaker 5: all the ways in which you support the community. And
Speaker 5: I would argue, there are a lot of people that
Speaker 5: don't know all of the things you do. But I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna give y'all one quick example and then we
Speaker 5: can get into this. As Inga sits before us right now,
Speaker 5: she is rocking Simone Simone Smith's earrings. There is not
Speaker 5: a black brand that they see as a competitor. They
Speaker 5: see them as family. And even for black entertainers A Listers,
Speaker 5: B Listers, Z listers, I'm a Z lister, They look
Speaker 5: out and take care of us right like you guys
Speaker 5: just do. And I just I want to publicly thank
Speaker 5: you for the ways in which you show up for
Speaker 5: people when they're on top, when they're somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 5: and when they've hit rock bottom.
Speaker 4: I'm about to get thinking about it, the way that
Speaker 4: y'all that y'all have.
Speaker 5: Come through, and one example that comes to mind, and
Speaker 5: then I'm gonna yield on the other side of the
Speaker 5: really unfortunate, humiliating dismissal of our dear sister Joy read
Speaker 5: from MSNBC. Joy was asked to be a special surprise
Speaker 5: guest at Black Women in Hollywood in LA and I
Speaker 5: did what I normally do, text and get the eleventh hour,
Speaker 5: like Sis, there's this incredible moment Joy has and we
Speaker 5: on a show, she's on top. And when I tell y'all,
Speaker 5: Inga and Sergio sprang into action to make sure that
Speaker 5: Joy was looking her best and filling her best And
Speaker 5: then was like, you and Tiff cannot go to that
Speaker 5: looking crazy.
Speaker 4: Y'all gotta look y'all gotta be rocking the right thing too.
Speaker 5: So it's just a small example of the things that
Speaker 5: y'all have no idea they do.
Speaker 4: And I just love y'all, So I just want to
Speaker 4: lift that up.
Speaker 5: That was a long filibuster, thank you, but it really
Speaker 5: is one thing that I think is important for all
Speaker 5: the A listers that missed out on that show, which
Speaker 5: is one of the best. I am biased, but it
Speaker 5: is also true. I just want them to know that,
Speaker 5: y'all are.
Speaker 6: I think before we come to you, guys, I just
Speaker 6: want to say some of the people you dress, so
Speaker 6: you guys can fill in the blank. But of course,
Speaker 6: Madam Vice President Kamala Harris is a regular on your
Speaker 6: client list. Actress Blake Lively can often be seen donning
Speaker 6: your fashion on red carpets, Machete member co host of
Speaker 6: The View Sunny Houston. We actually gifted her for her
Speaker 6: birthday one year on air, Sergio fits.
Speaker 3: So you are a I mean.
Speaker 6: A household name in elite Hollywood circles and brands. Can
Speaker 6: you talk to us a little bit about what happened
Speaker 6: this week around fashion Week and your relationship with you know,
Speaker 6: the black community, Like, how can we support you and
Speaker 6: how have you experienced support?
Speaker 8: So and I said, listen to my team.
Speaker 16: You know, I'm I was raised by activists, minister who
Speaker 16: you know. Literally, I've sat outside while my mom went
Speaker 16: into crack house and got people out. I've driven hours
Speaker 16: with her to take people to rehabs. I've went in
Speaker 16: to you know, get prostitutes off the street, like I
Speaker 16: was raised like that to help my community to be better,
Speaker 16: be greater. So when I chose to go into this industry,
Speaker 16: I look at it as community as we need to
Speaker 16: be all for each other. So so you know, I'm
Speaker 16: constantly asked questions. You know, why is this person not
Speaker 16: at your show? Why is that person not at your show?
Speaker 16: And my viewpoint on it is even from my team.
Speaker 16: You know, my viewpoint on it is who's going to
Speaker 16: be there is who's supposed to be there. And at
Speaker 16: the end of the day, I can't stress about who's
Speaker 16: not there, but I do value who is there for us.
Speaker 8: But what I will.
Speaker 16: Say is my issue came in you know when you
Speaker 16: see black A listers and I'm talking about black people
Speaker 16: because those are my people. I don't really care what
Speaker 16: you know, other communities do. They can do what they
Speaker 16: want to do, support who they want to support. But
Speaker 16: I'm just a black person that wants to support my people.
Speaker 16: And if you my viewpoint on it is, if you're
Speaker 16: an A list black person, what you can do most
Speaker 16: for a brand, not just my brand, but any black brand,
Speaker 16: for the Quan's brand, for Christopher John Rogers, for any
Speaker 16: of us that are strugg striving. I mean for Rachel
Speaker 16: Scott who just became the crab director of Penza Shuler
Speaker 16: and showed had her own show at the same fashion week.
Speaker 16: She did two fashion shows in one week. And you know,
Speaker 16: it's crazy that these A listeners don't go to these
Speaker 16: shows just to go you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 16: not saying don't go to the other shows because we
Speaker 16: all support other designer brands. I mean, I carry a
Speaker 16: Ferragamo bag every day.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 16: I'm not against us buying designer pieces and supporting other
Speaker 16: designer brands.
Speaker 8: But what I'm saying is.
Speaker 16: If you have some celebrity, what would it be if
Speaker 16: every top tier A list black celebrity decided I'm going
Speaker 16: to go to at least one New York Fashion Week
Speaker 16: show that is by a black owned and run brand.
Speaker 16: What would that do for the diaspora of black designers
Speaker 16: out there. Because it's a lot of us, and we're
Speaker 16: all different and we're fading. You know, this season, I
Speaker 16: don't think it was but like two or three of
Speaker 16: us when a couple of season agoes like thirteen. So
Speaker 16: you know, this industry is extremely hard and if you
Speaker 16: can't get the support from your people. Then that's that's
Speaker 16: where my post was coming from. It wasn't coming from,
Speaker 16: Oh I'm upset these people didn't come to my show.
Speaker 16: We were literally turning people away from our show, you
Speaker 16: know what I mean. I tell people all the time,
Speaker 16: the seating at the show is what I hate the most,
Speaker 16: because people it's craziness, like everybody wants to come to
Speaker 16: a faster show. But what I was trying to say
Speaker 16: was we as a people have to stop allowing the
Speaker 16: drug of white adjacency to contaminate our psyche. And I'm
Speaker 16: saying that from a place of being intoxicated by that
Speaker 16: myself at times.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm just being completely honest.
Speaker 16: Sometimes when you're a designer and you dress black people
Speaker 16: all the time, when you get that one white celebrity
Speaker 16: that wears your stuff, it's like natural for your first
Speaker 16: mind going, oh my god, this is the biggest deal
Speaker 16: I've ever had. And I kind of have to sometimes
Speaker 16: talk myself down and say, you know what, this is great,
Speaker 16: but that was great too. And you know, we have
Speaker 16: to begin to train ourselves to know that we are
Speaker 16: the moment. We don't jump into a moment, and we
Speaker 16: make the moment and if we can learn that. Then
Speaker 16: I feel like we would elevate every black brand, not
Speaker 16: just clothing brand, but every black brand.
Speaker 8: To the next level. And that's that's where I was
Speaker 8: coming from.
Speaker 16: It wasn't coming from a place of I'm upset, because
Speaker 16: I wasn't at all.
Speaker 8: It's been mostly love and understand But you know, you
Speaker 8: have those people who.
Speaker 16: Come in and they're like, oh, maybe they just theyn't
Speaker 16: want to come to your show. And then you have
Speaker 16: the people that be like, well, maybe if you put
Speaker 16: more black in your show, they would come to your show.
Speaker 16: You know, you have those people, the keyboard gangsters I
Speaker 16: like to call them, that come online and they want
Speaker 16: to get a rise out of you. But mostly it's
Speaker 16: been love and understanding. But I wanted people to understand
Speaker 16: I wasn't talking about like just my brand. I'm like,
Speaker 16: if you come to New York Fashion Week as a
Speaker 16: top tier alist, and when we say top tier alist,
Speaker 16: we know what that means person black person, and you
Speaker 16: don't go to one show that is from a black
Speaker 16: owned brand, that is a problem for me. I'm sorry,
Speaker 16: I can't I can't even sugar coat the past that like,
Speaker 16: that's the problem.
Speaker 8: And if you don't think about it.
Speaker 1: That's the even bigger problem it's worth Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, and to this, to this point, Inga, I
Speaker 5: want to come to you because I think that people
Speaker 5: do need to see you off for who you are
Speaker 5: really are, which is supporters of black brands. Y'all are
Speaker 5: not requiring or requesting people to do anything that you're
Speaker 5: not readily doing yourselves.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 5: So the fact that Sergio made this post and there's
Speaker 5: any controversy around it at all is really fascinating to me.
Speaker 5: Even this point you said back from the keyboard Gangsters,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make sure we roll tape of the some
Speaker 5: of the shows where the models are walking down right
Speaker 5: before you come out to say thank you and everybody.
Speaker 5: It is a very diverse show and there are tons
Speaker 5: of black models. I watched Inga do one at Kim's
Speaker 5: conference this year for accelerate her with the models that
Speaker 5: came in, and it was still most it was very multicultural.
Speaker 5: Y'all are very conscientious and mindful of that. And I
Speaker 5: think if there's anything I want to speak for you, Inga,
Speaker 5: but you just expect the same back from your supporters.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think I think that is exactly first of all,
Speaker 12: let's I want to go back a little bit. You
Speaker 12: are not a Z lister. That's number one. When you
Speaker 12: guys show up and show out in your clothes, you
Speaker 12: are fabulous. So let's just address that right there.
Speaker 9: We are honored to have you guys.
Speaker 12: You guys have been doing the good work for the
Speaker 12: community for a very long time. And yes you do
Speaker 12: always text me very last minute. Angela will work on that,
Speaker 12: but there's nothing my co hosts.
Speaker 4: Will tell you then you can do it. I'm so sorry, y'all,
Speaker 4: I gots but to be.
Speaker 9: Very clear, we are fully aware of what your.
Speaker 12: Work is in the community, and we know that if
Speaker 12: we texted you at the very last minute, you would
Speaker 12: show up. And so I think for us, what Sergio
Speaker 12: is talking about is just reciprocal knowing that we come
Speaker 12: from that place right and knowing the hardships that we
Speaker 12: have when we are sold at Birdorf, Neiman Market, sax
Speaker 12: Fith Avenue, blooming Dell's. We are sold at all these
Speaker 12: you know, very prominent this department stores, and we sit
Speaker 12: across from all these big brands, but we are not
Speaker 12: we don't have one hundred million dollars, but.
Speaker 9: We are fully owned operated.
Speaker 12: We you know, we have ownership of our brand, and
Speaker 12: so we have creative control, and we're up against a
Speaker 12: lot and we fight every.
Speaker 9: Six months to do New York Fashion Week.
Speaker 12: This is hundreds of thousands of dollars that we're coming
Speaker 12: up with on our own sponsors that do believe in us.
Speaker 9: So I think, you know, Sergio coming from a.
Speaker 12: Place of just saying, not just for us, but for
Speaker 12: all black designer brands or all brands of color that
Speaker 12: are fighting against all the funding, the people showing up.
Speaker 12: You know, what would it take, what would it take
Speaker 12: for us to get these A listers Black A listers,
Speaker 12: people of colature understand that just doing one small thing
Speaker 12: will make a big difference to a brand like ours
Speaker 12: or any other.
Speaker 9: That is fighting this fight. It is really really hard
Speaker 9: to run this brand.
Speaker 12: It is really really hard to come up with these
Speaker 12: hundreds of thousands of dollars to do these collections. This,
Speaker 12: this is very serious for us. This is our livelihood. Sergio,
Speaker 12: this is his dream, you know, it is my dream
Speaker 12: to support him. We have come together and we compete
Speaker 12: against these other brands, and so I think, like I
Speaker 12: know Sergio's heart so and he really wasn't.
Speaker 9: He wasn't hurt out. We had our front roll was lit.
Speaker 9: Let me be very clear, right, we had Mary J.
Speaker 12: Blige, we had Sunny Austin, We had so many different
Speaker 12: influencers that came and showed up and posted and do
Speaker 12: the things for us.
Speaker 9: So we weren't.
Speaker 12: We're not hurt, right, It just it just was his
Speaker 12: expression and any negativity around his post. It's people wanting
Speaker 12: to be negative, that are going to be negative no
Speaker 12: matter what.
Speaker 9: You do and what you say. Right, So I think
Speaker 9: we just you know, I think we had to.
Speaker 12: I appreciate you guys for having us, and I appreciate
Speaker 12: giving us a platform for Sergio to be able to
Speaker 12: really speak his mind and you know, let people know
Speaker 12: what we do and how hard this is because we
Speaker 12: do support, we support, and we don't only support black brands,
Speaker 12: we support other brands as well, and we show up.
Speaker 12: You know, there are so many different races that are
Speaker 12: were are closed. Our runway is diverse. We had at
Speaker 12: least I think fifteen search your black models in our
Speaker 12: show this time.
Speaker 16: But so you know, Jenny having the question being asked,
Speaker 16: you know, or even being said, maybe if you use
Speaker 16: more black models, I don't even think about it.
Speaker 8: But I went through the model look and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 8: there are.
Speaker 16: Like fifteen fifteen models that are black, and then like
Speaker 16: I can't even the nationality, like between Asian and Hispanic.
Speaker 16: It was barely in the white girls. I was like,
Speaker 16: oh my god, I feel like I'm I need more
Speaker 16: white people. Like at the end of the day, it
Speaker 16: was pretty much just a show full of people of color.
Speaker 16: So I think that's a bigger thing. That's a whole
Speaker 16: other conversation when you see what do you see as
Speaker 16: black people? Because you look at my showing, because the
Speaker 16: girl has curly hair and she has fair skin, does
Speaker 16: that mean she's not black?
Speaker 8: I mean at the end of the day, Angela, I mean,
Speaker 8: look at me, look at my mother.
Speaker 3: In denial.
Speaker 5: You had it right, y'all know I'm sensitive about my
Speaker 5: call today.
Speaker 16: I know I'm light, and you know my mom is like,
Speaker 16: you know, but I'm very black. So I don't and
Speaker 16: I don't and I don't want to be like discounted
Speaker 16: because my skin color is like and I'm not gonna
Speaker 16: just count. And at the end of the day, everything
Speaker 16: I do is strategic. I use a lot of black
Speaker 16: models and I use models across the diaspora, because what
Speaker 16: happens in fashion is we turn black models into a
Speaker 16: trend and a type of model that you use. So
Speaker 16: if it's not just this one type of black girl,
Speaker 16: it's not a black girl, and that's just not true.
Speaker 16: Black people come in all different colors, and that's what
Speaker 16: I try to show in my show. So if you
Speaker 16: don't notice that there are different types of black girls,
Speaker 16: that's not my issue. You should just pay a little
Speaker 16: bit more attention to what's actually going on in the
Speaker 16: diaspora of black people in the world. It's not just
Speaker 16: one thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Inga and Sergio, this is Andrew and I
Speaker 1: know we don't know each other, but I am adjacent
Speaker 1: to two of the women that you're dressing. So thank
Speaker 1: you for helping me to look better.
Speaker 5: Just by standing between the two of them, I'm saying
Speaker 5: I look forward to being dressed by you withday.
Speaker 1: But moreover, I just say, you know, first of all,
Speaker 1: congratulations on your wild success. And I think it should
Speaker 1: be very clear and I understand it clearly from you all.
Speaker 1: You aren't asking for any charity. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: what I was, what I was growing up, not growing
Speaker 1: up but as I entered politics very young, I'd be
Speaker 1: in you know, the Washington Post, in the New York
Speaker 1: Times or some publication, and my family would not give
Speaker 1: me credit until I was in ebony. And when you
Speaker 1: were validated by your people, then you had you had ascended.
Speaker 1: It was legit. You're doing something. You and ebony, if
Speaker 1: you and jet you, you hit it right. And so I,
Speaker 1: as I understood and listen to you, I thought back
Speaker 1: to that experience and thinking, you're not begging celebrities who
Speaker 1: are a listeners to come to your show. You're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, see us, validate us, because your validation of
Speaker 1: us is important to me. It's important for our community
Speaker 1: to see. It's important that we see each other's value.
Speaker 1: And that why does not always write in the way
Speaker 1: in which the world has to see your contribution to
Speaker 1: uh this this space celebrity a or a lister. And
Speaker 1: I just think if you're going celebrities are particular about
Speaker 1: where they go anyway, So if you're going somewhere, you
Speaker 1: have intention to be where it is you are. And
Speaker 1: I think what you ass conversation as illuminated for me
Speaker 1: is that if you're gonna move with intention, move with intention.
Speaker 1: Don't give lip service to wanting to support our community
Speaker 1: when someone shot. But when we're at we're we're when
Speaker 1: we're at our zenith, when we are bringing wealth, value,
Speaker 1: beauty culture into the space and shaping that culture by
Speaker 1: our contributions, it would be nice to look out and
Speaker 1: see you there with a wink in or no saying
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, brothers, sister for what you are doing,
Speaker 1: period right.
Speaker 17: And yeah, thank you, Yeah, you know, go ahead and anyone.
Speaker 1: Let's spread that word. Let's spread that message. These incredible creatives, yeah,
Speaker 1: are coming from a glass half full, if not running
Speaker 1: over and moreover, they're doing it with intention for our
Speaker 1: community to be seen not in a box, but with
Speaker 1: a canvas. I love that and everything that paints.
Speaker 6: Well, Okay, I just I want to ask something because
Speaker 6: Inga you have have shared with me about the financial
Speaker 6: structure of fashion.
Speaker 3: Sergio.
Speaker 6: You have been so insightful and answering all of my questions.
Speaker 6: And I don't think even the fashionably aspirational you know
Speaker 6: who go out there and you know, will spend all
Speaker 6: their money on Gucci or Prada because they hear that
Speaker 6: mentioned in a hip hop song or they see you
Speaker 6: know something in and pop culture that makes them say, oh,
Speaker 6: if that's what the cool people are wearing, that's what
Speaker 6: I want to wear. And the impact it has when
Speaker 6: we do that on black brands. One the incestuous nature
Speaker 6: of the fashion industry and its ownership. Right, so a
Speaker 6: lot of these brands, which I did not know, fall
Speaker 6: under the same umbrella company.
Speaker 3: Also something I didn't know.
Speaker 6: Sergio was so kind enough to take me to lunch
Speaker 6: at Bergdorf Goodman and we went into the store and
Speaker 6: I I was so excited. I was like, Oh my gosh, like,
Speaker 6: you have your own section. And then we were walking
Speaker 6: and I saw another designer with like a huge section,
Speaker 6: and I was saying, I've never even heard of this person,
Speaker 6: Like who is this person? And this person had just
Speaker 6: come out, had just become a name, like within the
Speaker 6: past year. But I'm like, but Sergio has been out
Speaker 6: for years.
Speaker 3: What did this? I don't need to tell you all
Speaker 3: who you love to do? The white girl?
Speaker 6: What did the white girl do to get this huge section?
Speaker 6: While Sergio, who is dress seeing everyone from the highest
Speaker 6: ranking official black women in the United States and Vice
Speaker 6: President Kamala Harris, so one of the top and first
Speaker 6: Lady Michelle Obama to one of them, thank you, keep
Speaker 6: keep them coming like we could coming. But also to
Speaker 6: some of the Hollywood's top rated actresses, I mean from
Speaker 6: Gala's to show, thank you, thank you anybody who you
Speaker 6: guys want to name that that you dress. So, I
Speaker 6: don't know, I just think there would be if we
Speaker 6: would benefit from hearing from you both on the the
Speaker 6: financial structure of that and how these these I guess
Speaker 6: the merchants, I suppose, the people who are the buyers,
Speaker 6: how they determine who gets placement in these department stores,
Speaker 6: how your brands are promoted, and what you all have
Speaker 6: to do versus other people who fall under conglomerates to
Speaker 6: might own five of the top brands like Lvates for example.
Speaker 9: Well, I think it really.
Speaker 12: Does honestly come down to funding. Right, A lot of these,
Speaker 12: as you mentioned in Bergdorf Goodman, they have in stores. Right,
Speaker 12: you have an in store, you do have to have
Speaker 12: the funding you pay for in stores, which means you
Speaker 12: have a build out essentially. If you don't have all
Speaker 12: that funding behind you, then it does come down to
Speaker 12: the department store and your sales, et cetera. And you
Speaker 12: get an in store, you know, if you have the
Speaker 12: funding for it. Essentially otherwise, truthfully, when you are in
Speaker 12: these department stores, basically it is the amount of clothing
Speaker 12: that the buyers are allotted to come into your market
Speaker 12: and buy. So you have an amount that they come in,
Speaker 12: they buy the clothing, and based upon how much they bought,
Speaker 12: that is where you have the placement in the stores.
Speaker 9: That is how it works.
Speaker 3: Got it? That's helpful?
Speaker 1: And then how can folks at home support? Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they're not going to make it to Fashion Week, if
Speaker 1: they're not going to make it uh to New York
Speaker 1: City and to Burgdoff Goodman's, how can how can the
Speaker 1: person at home right now in Alabama where where my
Speaker 1: mother in love is and in Georgia, Southern Georgia where
Speaker 1: my mama is. I don't know what they person is
Speaker 1: looking like, but but how can they How can they
Speaker 1: find you, see you, access you so they can.
Speaker 12: Go to Sergio Hudson dot com. We have a direct
Speaker 12: to consumer site and we are really great with our
Speaker 12: customer service. I have really decided that we are going
Speaker 12: to work very strategically on ourselves on our store.
Speaker 8: We used to.
Speaker 12: Really put the department stores first. When I say that,
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, obviously, these are the stores that
Speaker 12: are frequented the most, that are are in other states
Speaker 12: and that you can get to.
Speaker 9: So we we love at.
Speaker 12: Until we get our own brick and mortar, which we
Speaker 12: will be. I am claiming that it's going to happen,
Speaker 12: and so we will. We will be in states near you,
Speaker 12: but for now, Direct to consumer Sergio Hudson dot com.
Speaker 12: Come on there shop that is the place. But we
Speaker 12: are in Neiman Marcus in Atlanta.
Speaker 9: We are in uh.
Speaker 12: Bloomingdale's in New York and uh is it DC Sergio Sergio. Yes,
Speaker 12: So we are at different stores in different states across
Speaker 12: the country.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: The the last thing that I want to say, because
Speaker 5: I was heckled for my last minute requests, I just
Speaker 5: want you all to know that we are going to
Speaker 5: be at the Congressional black hawkt Foundation Daniel legislat the
Speaker 5: conference next week.
Speaker 4: It's also and.
Speaker 5: There may or may not be a very important moment,
Speaker 5: so it would be amazing if.
Speaker 3: We could be there will be an important.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: Or may not know about that moment.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, well then you know more than me.
Speaker 5: But all I'm gonna tell you is this It would
Speaker 5: be nice to be as as Biggie would say, but
Speaker 5: I'm a re quote Sergio Hudson down to the sock.
Speaker 4: It is so if we can, if we can figure
Speaker 4: that you.
Speaker 1: Like why you all have been so generous with your
Speaker 1: time as as we as we part with you, we
Speaker 1: want to give y'all the last word to what what?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: What would you have us do? What do you want
Speaker 1: the people to do? What do you want the folks
Speaker 1: to know?
Speaker 4: Any call to action?
Speaker 1: Basically your call to action? What would you lead admonishors
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 16: Oh wow, that's a lie, but I think so here's
Speaker 16: the thing. If our brand is very specific, so we
Speaker 16: I do understand that everybody can't afford to, you know,
Speaker 16: Sergio Hudson collection, but those of you that can, and
Speaker 16: you buy designer clothes often, I'm not telling you to
Speaker 16: forfeit any of your favorite brands. All I'm saying is,
Speaker 16: you know, go in request us, ask for us, try
Speaker 16: us song, try us out, see how you like it.
Speaker 16: And if you can just create a little section in
Speaker 16: your closet for us or for some other designer brands
Speaker 16: that might fit your taste a little bit better, and
Speaker 16: you will see how if everybody that could afford our
Speaker 16: clothes did buy it, it would help so much and
Speaker 16: you would see the growth. And what I will make
Speaker 16: a promise to you is if that you do support us,
Speaker 16: that we will give back to our community that looks
Speaker 16: like us, and we will create more opportunities for people
Speaker 16: that look like us. That's the difference between when you
Speaker 16: purchase from us and when you purchase from a brand
Speaker 16: that doesn't look like you. I mean, it's nothing that
Speaker 16: can go back to you when you know. It's kind
Speaker 16: of like when you have a credit card and you
Speaker 16: you like there that particular cards we like better because
Speaker 16: you get cash back. I feel like when you support
Speaker 16: black brands across the board, you're getting cash back into
Speaker 16: your community. It's a way for you to help, it's
Speaker 16: a way for you to grow. Because the reason we
Speaker 16: don't have a foothold in this interest because we don't
Speaker 16: have any ownership. Any industry that you don't have ownership in,
Speaker 16: you have no power. Power in any industry is money.
Speaker 16: And in fashion, we don't have the power because we
Speaker 16: don't have the money. And that's the why you don't
Speaker 16: see a lot of us. You know, that's why I
Speaker 16: can go from having thirteen black designers down to two
Speaker 16: or three in a fashion week. And I think, you know,
Speaker 16: we are working on some things to where we can
Speaker 16: reach a bigger price gap of people. You know, confidentially
Speaker 16: we are doing working on a couple of things to
Speaker 16: be able to do that.
Speaker 4: But wait a minute, Sergia, you can't break news in there.
Speaker 1: Just all I can.
Speaker 16: Tell you, That's all I can tell you. That's all
Speaker 16: we can tell you is we're working on something.
Speaker 6: But yes, okay, yeah, we're working on some things to
Speaker 6: be able to reach more of a bigger audience, so
Speaker 6: to speak.
Speaker 16: And that's all I can say is support us and
Speaker 16: you know, ask for us, and that's all we can do.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Shout out to your amazing partner, Devine.
Speaker 8: Yes we're going to love that. I need.
Speaker 10: You.
Speaker 12: Guys can take it home to just piggyback off what
Speaker 12: Sergio said. You know, if you can't afford the brand,
Speaker 12: and you know that's understandable, especially especially in this time
Speaker 12: where everything is so uncertain. You know, tag repost refer
Speaker 12: to someone you know, uplift us in some way. It's
Speaker 12: not always in a monetary where there are many things
Speaker 12: to do to show support for the brand, what you
Speaker 12: guys are doing right now. So we're grateful for it all.
Speaker 12: And I want to be very very clear, like I
Speaker 12: said before, our front row was lit. Our supporters. We
Speaker 12: have supporters of every race I mean that showed up
Speaker 12: for us, that we love dearly and appreciate. So you know,
Speaker 12: just for our people that did show up, our A
Speaker 12: lists that did show up, that show up for us,
Speaker 12: we are eternally grateful.
Speaker 4: We are so grateful for y'all.
Speaker 5: Thank you for all you do for setting the standard
Speaker 5: and blazing the trail in the fashion industry and beyond.
Speaker 4: We love you, INGA.
Speaker 5: Every time we get together, you know, we crying, so
Speaker 5: I aren't doing it at the end of the show too.
Speaker 4: Sarjia. We love you, brother, and to both of your partners,
Speaker 4: we love.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Andrews. Pleasure to meet you. We want you
Speaker 9: as some men.
Speaker 1: Sergio, I'm here there it is. I'm just trying and
Speaker 1: keep my you know, little figure together for you, you know,
Speaker 1: put me out there, bro.
Speaker 12: Like he certainly because he put it, he put what
Speaker 12: we wanted to say in words.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you God bless y'all, And
Speaker 1: we're wishing you well, bless up, bless welcome. Well, that
Speaker 1: was a beautiful conversation, y'all. And and I saw their hearts.
Speaker 1: I heard their hearts and saw their hearts, and I
Speaker 1: just sometimes think the reason why I wanted to just
Speaker 1: emphasize how you know, the cup running over and that
Speaker 1: this isn't charity, is that they I saw the more
Speaker 1: spokespeople crying out for, you know, their fellow family of
Speaker 1: black designers in this space, who were again once thirteen
Speaker 1: last year at Fashion Week and this time two or three, right,
Speaker 1: so you know, for as they said, for those of
Speaker 1: us who can, we should. And I know every I
Speaker 1: know some of the most struggling in these people. I
Speaker 1: know who set their design on getting that, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to have that red bottomed shoe one day
Speaker 1: and they go get it. So set your design on
Speaker 1: a Sergio Htel and go that your nope, my CTA,
Speaker 1: however is and then I'll leave Linda yours. It's simply
Speaker 1: that I was reading about, of course, the high rate
Speaker 1: of unemployment amongst black women, which again is rivaling historic low,
Speaker 1: historic highs for Black women in America in their unemployment
Speaker 1: and the rate of them that are now reaching six
Speaker 1: months without a job and in the job search, and
Speaker 1: how really debilitating and depressing and undermining it can be
Speaker 1: to the mind, to the ego, but also to the wallet.
Speaker 1: And so for those of us who know folks who
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters who have been laid off, family members,
Speaker 1: close friends, so on and so forth. Back when I
Speaker 1: was growing up in church, you used to give love
Speaker 1: offerings where you weren't asking for anything. Nobody came up
Speaker 1: to you and said, I'm about to be in the
Speaker 1: pole house, so I need such and such and such.
Speaker 1: But folks intuitively just felt, you know what I wish.
Speaker 1: Let me just bless this person with twenty dollars. I
Speaker 1: just want to remind us of the tradition of the
Speaker 1: fact that all of us go through something sometimes, and
Speaker 1: in fact, if we keep living, probably those ebbs and
Speaker 1: flows will happen throughout. And wouldn't it be nice if
Speaker 1: we had people without us asking looking like we're beggars,
Speaker 1: because we're proud people, especially those folks who work and
Speaker 1: earn their living. But if you could bless folks up
Speaker 1: a little bit by twenty five to fifty dollars check
Speaker 1: you might give them might be the minimum payment they
Speaker 1: need to put on their credit card that they've been
Speaker 1: spending on to get by, to hold them over that'll
Speaker 1: keep them from a default on that month's payment. You
Speaker 1: just never know. And so I just want to have
Speaker 1: us to expand our collective thinking and coverage and support
Speaker 1: of our community to include even when folks haven't asked,
Speaker 1: to just tap into your intuitive or your spiritual self
Speaker 1: and say, man, let me just They don't even got
Speaker 1: to know it came for me. Let me bless somebody
Speaker 1: in a way that that may pay real dividends for
Speaker 1: them and help them out of a out of a
Speaker 1: buying But I hope things will change on this economy,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be rough. It's rough now and it
Speaker 1: may be rougher yet. Still. So that's my CTA, TIF
Speaker 1: what you got.
Speaker 6: You know, my CTA is really one for myself that
Speaker 6: I'll invite other people to tap in and whatever way
Speaker 6: they need. That is how I value myself. And it's
Speaker 6: changed over the years. When I was I remember coming
Speaker 6: into my late twenties going into my thirties, I stepped
Speaker 6: into a new meet and decided, this is who I
Speaker 6: am and this is what I tolerate and this is
Speaker 6: what I don't and I definitely feel like I'm going
Speaker 6: into a new era of that. Someone reached out to
Speaker 6: me this week and asked me to be a backup.
Speaker 6: They had asked someone else to do something and that
Speaker 6: person was, you know, a little shaky on it. And
Speaker 6: they said, oh, you know, just checking to see if
Speaker 6: you might be available, and I said, I can be,
Speaker 6: but I need to know, like within the next couple hours.
Speaker 6: And you know, I won't charge you. I just you know,
Speaker 6: need your team to cover hair and makeup and transportation
Speaker 6: and I'll help you out if I can't.
Speaker 3: And he said, well, I don't know we're doing all that.
Speaker 3: And my ego.
Speaker 6: Said to say, I'll well, I don't know who to
Speaker 6: you think you asking men, But my spirit said to
Speaker 6: just say, oh, then you know I may not be
Speaker 6: the person for you. Let me recommend some people who
Speaker 6: might better serve this event. And just being done with it.
Speaker 6: And I'm trying to, in every iteration of life, learn
Speaker 6: how to value myself and that includes value my love
Speaker 6: that I give to people. How am I valuing this
Speaker 6: love and who I am? That includes valuing my voice.
Speaker 6: If I'm not being listened to, then I don't need
Speaker 6: to speak if I'm talking to you and you're looking
Speaker 6: at your phone. I need to value my voice enough
Speaker 6: my words that i'm speaking that know I'm not going
Speaker 6: to repeat myself, and know I'm not going to keep talking.
Speaker 6: I can just be silent. I'm also valuing my voice
Speaker 6: in a space where you might have all the attention,
Speaker 6: but maybe you just need to be quiet.
Speaker 3: So just be quiet.
Speaker 6: To challenge myself to go internal and be comfortable in
Speaker 6: the home that is myself, in the home that is
Speaker 6: my spirit and the silence of my own internal world
Speaker 6: and navigating that and not jumping out there with an
Speaker 6: opinion or a thought every single time it occurs to me.
Speaker 6: I challenge everyone else to value yourself and I will
Speaker 6: say angelo about the psychological safety. That is one way
Speaker 6: to sharpen your discernment around psychological safety. And if it
Speaker 6: makes other people uncomfortable, to be uncomfortable in that, you know,
Speaker 6: because my psychological safety should not really be a negotiation,
Speaker 6: and I have to create that for myself.
Speaker 3: So that's my CTA.
Speaker 5: This is gonna be the cringest ass podcast today.
Speaker 4: I'm wearing this shirt today. This is protect your peace
Speaker 4: as an affirmation because I feel like I haven't. My
Speaker 4: voice is gone, guys, because I screamed so loud this week.
Speaker 4: I did not mean to do this on the podcast.
Speaker 4: We could just cut it.
Speaker 1: I could cut it.
Speaker 3: Well, we don't have to cut it.
Speaker 6: But I will say that Angela protects other people's piece.
Speaker 3: She is a warrior on behalf of so many other people.
Speaker 6: So I would like to close out the podcast here
Speaker 6: and pick up because I think Angela has a soulful
Speaker 6: call to action.
Speaker 3: That is putting a lump in my throat.
Speaker 6: That maybe could be a good mini pod to talk
Speaker 6: about what whatever protecting your piece looks like and what
Speaker 6: Angela has gone through this week that is highlighting protecting
Speaker 6: her piece for her So Andrew, if you're on board
Speaker 6: with that, I think this would be a good place
Speaker 6: to close and invite our viewers to tune into the
Speaker 6: mini pod so we can talk about what protecting your
Speaker 6: piece looks like.
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