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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode ninety seven, just three

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Speaker 1: shy of one hundred of Natal lampid, where we give

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Speaker 1: you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. We

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Speaker 1: are your host, Angelo Rode, Tiffany Cross, and i'll manager Gellim.

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Speaker 1: What's up, fellow co hosts, how y'all feeling.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it. What were talking about today?

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I just want to remind

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Speaker 1: y'all we've got a great, big, important event coming up.

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Speaker 1: Native lamp Pod will be live next weekend Saturday. That'll

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Speaker 1: be September twenty seventh, from five pm to seven pm

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Speaker 1: at the Congressional Black Carcass Foundation's Annual Legislative Conference and

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Awards Dinner. We are really, really, really honored, as

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Speaker 1: we did last year, to bring you coverage interviews from

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Speaker 1: our top nations leaders on the Democratic side, and other

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Speaker 1: organizations you will want to hear from. So please, please

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Speaker 1: pencils in a date September twenty seven, five to seven

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Speaker 1: PM check us out. What are we talking about today, y'all?

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Speaker 1: Aside from will be at the CBC Foundations conference coming

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Speaker 1: up soon, what else we got going.

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Speaker 4: There's so much happening in the world.

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Speaker 5: One of the things that I think we should definitely

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Speaker 5: get to is this HBCU funding myth which is one

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Speaker 5: that has followed Donald Trump since the first administration. So

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Speaker 5: hopefully we can talk about that and what they do

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Speaker 5: to just shift resources when it's not for billionaires, they

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Speaker 5: just move the funding around.

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Speaker 1: Tiff, what's up, Hi?

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of heavy things going on, but Angela

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Speaker 6: had a really great idea that I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 6: about to have Sergio Hudson on the show. Today is

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Speaker 6: Fashion Week running over the past few days in New York.

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Speaker 6: Fashion Week is a really big deal for designers, and

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Speaker 6: we're not having a flighty conversation about this. We're talking

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Speaker 6: about the role that black influencers, in black celebrities play

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Speaker 6: on brands and how that impacts commerce, what we wear,

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Speaker 6: and how it drives opinions. And sometimes we can prioritize

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Speaker 6: that thought that white is right, and we wear white designers,

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Speaker 6: but we may not put our money or our time

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Speaker 6: in black designers. So we're going to get into an

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Speaker 6: economic but also a social conversation about that. And so

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Speaker 6: I'm thrilled that we actually have Sergio Huson joining in

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Speaker 6: the show, So you guys don't want to miss that,

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Speaker 6: So stick around for that.

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Speaker 1: Nice. That's good. That's good, y'all. So speaking on the

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Speaker 1: heavy side, obviously, this last week in the country, we

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Speaker 1: saw a political murder of Charlie Kirk and it's gathered

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention and quite the how will you say,

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Speaker 1: difference in reaction depending upon, frankly, the character of the

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Speaker 1: person who's responding, and I'd love for us to just

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Speaker 1: sort of talk a little bit about what this moment

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Speaker 1: give a little bit of reflection on that writ large.

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Speaker 1: And with that, y'all, we're going to get into this show.

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Speaker 6: I think we should get to Charlie Kirk because something

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Speaker 6: that was interesting in the comments, a lot of people

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Speaker 6: were saying, I'm fifty nine minutes in and you guys

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Speaker 6: haven't talked about Charlie Kirk yet. And so I do

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Speaker 6: want our audience to understand that the shooting death of

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Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk occurred when we were wrapping up the recording

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Speaker 6: of this podcast, so we were not aware and that's

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Speaker 6: why we didn't get into it. But Angela did have

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Speaker 6: a conversation with Michael Harriet, whose book is almost two

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Speaker 6: years old and remains on the New York Times bestseller

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Speaker 6: list Black af History, in her solo pod, where they

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Speaker 6: didn't necessarily focus solely on Charlie Kirk, but talked about

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Speaker 6: white violence. And I think that is an important part

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Speaker 6: of this conversation today, Angela. Where can they find that

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Speaker 5: So all of our podcasts are available anywhere you get

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Speaker 5: your podcasts, including our YouTube channel, So all of our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiffany, I'm glad you raised that because, in truth,

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Speaker 1: And so of course my immediate reaction being just deep

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Speaker 1: and still not rejoice, you know, at an event so tragic.

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Speaker 1: So at a human level, I can get it, but

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Speaker 1: such vehement disagreement. I hope that I could have trust

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Speaker 1: At the same token, I can say I disagree, and

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Speaker 1: I really hate that we're in this moment so ratcheted

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Speaker 1: now having taken it in over this last week, how

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Speaker 5: I would just say, we have a listener question on that,

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Speaker 5: so if on this topic, so if we could get

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Speaker 7: Angela is a favorite listener, Amos Cross and Amos Ry.

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Speaker 7: So seeing any difference in reactions in our community, which

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Speaker 7: has been a widespread of different reactions, do you believe

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Speaker 7: that this is the time for us to have a

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Speaker 7: and they are all destroyed about his assassination. So do

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Speaker 7: And it wasn't because a pack of senators had a heart.

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Speaker 7: We ever see political benefits again as a community?

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Speaker 5: I think this is a really tricky topic for me

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Speaker 5: to protect black people. This shooting occurred, and shortly after

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Speaker 5: is epigenetically tied to the history of that type of

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Speaker 5: because we wanted to feel safe amongst our own. Some

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Speaker 5: of those communities also include historically black colleges, which I

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Speaker 6: think it's important, Andrew, that when you hear these studies,

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Speaker 10: It's worse where these blacks trying to go rob her

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Speaker 10: Black crime is a major issue in our country. Why

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Speaker 10: You quote Leviticus nineteen, Love your neighbors yourself. The chapter

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Speaker 10: Answer is yes, the baby would be delivered. When blacks

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Speaker 13: That there's free speech and then there's hate speech, and

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Speaker 13: Hate speech anything, and that's across the aisle, you know.

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Speaker 1: Love it or hate it. Hate speech unfortunately is still

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Speaker 1: projected speech and under the Constitution and by the Supreme Corps.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, there's a lot troubling about

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Speaker 1: what Pam Bondi said there, but I was struck first

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Speaker 1: by her saying we will absolutely, especially after what happened

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Speaker 1: to Charlie kurt As if she wasn't around three four

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Speaker 1: five weeks ago, when legislators were struck down in their

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Speaker 1: beds practically in the middle of the night, awoken by

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Speaker 1: right wing extremists coming to kill them, and you know,

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Speaker 1: by the grace of God, many other legislators were spare.

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Speaker 1: So I tell you it'd be one thing if you

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Speaker 1: could trust the government to clamp down on quote hate

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Speaker 1: speech if they were actually going to do it justly

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Speaker 1: and rightly, and go to the people who are actually provocateurs

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Speaker 1: of hate speech, because that would mean they'd have to

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Speaker 1: clean out their own bedrooms first. But I have no

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Speaker 1: trust in it. And where I see a going now

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Speaker 1: with this Attorney general slash personal counselor to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is the weaponizing of all of the forces of government

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Speaker 1: to include stripping people of their five oh one C

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Speaker 1: three non tax tax status, organizations, prosecuting presidents of organizations

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Speaker 1: C three C fours, and then forget about us, y'all podcasters,

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Speaker 1: every day folks who are out just demanding justice in

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Speaker 1: their community, who are now being accused of hate speech

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Speaker 1: because they happen to disagree with the people who happen

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Speaker 1: to be in government. Now, I wonder does that ring

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Speaker 1: alarm bells for y'all? And what warnings do we need

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Speaker 1: to give to our community about the win which they

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Speaker 1: may now use their power to subjugate us further.

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Speaker 5: You know, the thing that comes to mind is, well,

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Speaker 5: it's twofold. One is there's been a lot of conversation

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Speaker 5: on right versus left, But I still think this is

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Speaker 5: a conversation about white versus white. The reason I'm saying

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Speaker 5: that is because the Emmet Til Anti Lynching Act was

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Speaker 5: just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. Right, This

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Speaker 5: was just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. And

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Speaker 5: I'm bringing that up to say that the protection of

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Speaker 5: black people against violent rhetoric and then the violent actions

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Speaker 5: that are taken on the other side of that violent

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Speaker 5: rhetoric was just put into law three years ago. We

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Speaker 5: have to have the conversation that many have been afraid to.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that this is along ideological lines. This

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Speaker 5: is a race battle. This is one where there are

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Speaker 5: governors of progressive, liberal and even moderate democratic states, so

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Speaker 5: left states that have flags flying at half mass, or

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Speaker 5: that we're flying at half mass in honor of this

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Speaker 5: man's contributions to society, even when those contributions resulted in

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Speaker 5: death threats to people we love, like Tiff.

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Speaker 4: I think that is something we have to wrestle with.

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Speaker 5: Why is it that someone who can cause such great

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Speaker 5: grave harm to people who look like us be celebrated

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Speaker 5: and given a hero's welcome. Why is it that the

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Speaker 5: Confederate soldiers, folks who they read about with glory, even

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Speaker 5: though we know the real story, get celebrated, statues, schools

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Speaker 5: named after them, streets named after them, all of the

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Speaker 5: things that are being talked about someone who frankly utilized

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Speaker 5: Confederate ideology in his podcast regularly, right, Like, how is

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Speaker 5: that something that we should protect, honor and lift up.

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Speaker 5: I think that that is something that really has to

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Speaker 5: be wrestled with in this country, and it is highly problematic,

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Speaker 5: and it is absolutely violent. It is the kind of

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Speaker 5: thing where it felt like to me we were being

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Speaker 5: gas lit for the last week literally since we walked

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Speaker 5: off air on our podcast. I'm just like, what are

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Speaker 5: they seeing about this human being that I do not see?

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Speaker 5: When I hear what he says, it sounds harmful. When

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Speaker 5: I hear what he says, it sounds like, is I

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Speaker 5: know it's a lie? You know, like talking about our

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Speaker 5: brain processing power? Those are things that they did in

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Speaker 5: po genetic studies for years under the guise of medical care.

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Speaker 5: The way that they practiced on our bodies and experimented

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Speaker 5: on us, All of those things are racist, and those

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Speaker 5: are the very things racial eugenics that he's lifting up. Right,

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Speaker 5: So anyway, I just it's it's not a right versus

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Speaker 5: left conversation. Well, it's a versus white conversation.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, I absolutely hear you. I will say, though,

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Speaker 1: I think it's different saying that a person didn't does shit.

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Speaker 1: We don't celebrate or lift up the murder of people

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Speaker 1: who happen to that we happen to disagree with it

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Speaker 1: will be on the opposite side of us. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a hardline. Period enough said, that's my statement there.

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Speaker 1: But I also agree with you that this idea, the

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Speaker 1: honorifics that have been extended by the American on behalf

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Speaker 1: of the American taxpayer has been mind boggling. I can

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Speaker 1: agree that you should not be killed for your political beliefs,

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Speaker 1: and at the same time, I can say I do

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Speaker 1: not believe that American taxpayer dollars should have been used

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Speaker 1: to fly a private citizen's body in an American aircraft

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Speaker 1: with such dignity and honorifics that were extended by this

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Speaker 1: administration that we want to.

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Speaker 4: Say issue with political beliefs. To me, what he said, well,

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Speaker 4: what did you take?

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Speaker 1: I do take issue with that. The problem is is

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Speaker 1: there are people who disagree as vehemently with the things

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Speaker 1: we believe.

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Speaker 4: But I'm saying what he'spewed, was it political beliefs? They were?

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Speaker 15: It was it was it was a political belief to

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Speaker 15: the extent that it drove them to the conclusion that

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Speaker 15: that is why DEI should not exist, and that is

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Speaker 15: why we shouldn't put black people on the US Supreme Court,

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Speaker 15: and that is why we shouldn't have black pilots, male

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Speaker 15: or female, flying commercial airliners and jets of large proportion.

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Speaker 1: So when, when when their racist beliefs lead to public

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Speaker 1: policy prescripts, then absolutely it's gonna you go hear from

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Speaker 1: me on all sides of it, because consequentially, I could

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Speaker 1: deal with a person who hates me because of the

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Speaker 1: color of my skin but don't have the power to

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Speaker 1: do shit about it.

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Speaker 5: But I guess what I'm saying different, it's the person looks.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'm saying, no, no.

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Speaker 11: No, no.

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Speaker 1: I agree that it's not just political consequences. I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: I think about Ruby Freeman and her daughter and the

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Speaker 1: terra that they had to exist and try to survive

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Speaker 1: through at the hands of the Trump presidential campaign, and

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Speaker 1: they're lingering folks, So I get what it means for

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Speaker 1: us down deep. But what I'm saying, the reason why

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Speaker 1: I where I take exception, where you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: from me, is when your belief system, and your disparaging

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Speaker 1: belief about me, my wife, my family, the conditions in

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Speaker 1: which we live and the values of which we hold,

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Speaker 1: is when they lead to a political outcome that then

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Speaker 1: disenfranchises me, That then creates the permission structure for my murder,

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Speaker 1: That then creates the permission structure for me to be

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Speaker 1: fireful without cause, with no justification, simply because of the

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Speaker 1: color of my skin.

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Speaker 5: And That's what I'm saying. The ramifications are far beyond politics.

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Speaker 5: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying his belief

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Speaker 5: system is one that impacted nonprofit and philanthropic giving. It

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Speaker 5: impacted whether or not there was DEI policy in the

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Speaker 5: federal government, in state and local governments, and in corporations.

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Speaker 4: It impacted whether or not kids could be admitted to school.

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Speaker 5: And sure we can say that even a court decision

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Speaker 5: is a policy based could have policy based impacts, and

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Speaker 5: is therefore political. But what I don't want to do,

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Speaker 5: hopefully in this conversation, is limits this man's rhetoric and

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Speaker 5: dangerous impact on society to squarely political because it was

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Speaker 5: so far beyond politics.

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Speaker 1: Well, as a political scientist, politics is again about the

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Speaker 1: study of people, so it isn't necessarily derivative of whether

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Speaker 1: or not that study has implications on public policy. So

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Speaker 1: I understand that you don't want us to talk strictly

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Speaker 1: in that vein all the reason I have to say

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Speaker 1: why I think politics can't even begin to completely encapsulate

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Speaker 1: the danger. Yes, right, the danger presented. And that's why

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Speaker 1: his murder matters is because in life, the way in

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Speaker 1: which he could impact our everyday existence in this country

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Speaker 1: simply by his utterances as ignorant as as as ignorant

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Speaker 1: as they were. Yeah, I think it got JD elected,

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Speaker 1: got Trump re elected, got you know, so on and

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Speaker 1: so forth.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you I understand your point, Andrew, I

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Speaker 6: really do. I deeply connect with your point, Angela, and

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Speaker 6: I think you both are you know, Angela, you might

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Speaker 6: be starting here, and Andrew you pick up here.

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Speaker 3: But if we're both all.

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Speaker 6: Going the same direction in the same lane, I connect,

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Speaker 6: I think, Angela with your point deeply because it is

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Speaker 6: our humanity.

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Speaker 3: Andrew.

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Speaker 6: I think what you're saying is yes, but that policy

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Speaker 6: will impact our humanity. I think because I'm looking at

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Speaker 6: this strictly through the lens of humanity, I hear you

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Speaker 6: Andrew that, Yes, of course we don't celebrate someone's murder,

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Speaker 6: we don't uplift it, we don't encourage things like that,

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Speaker 6: of course, because we are rooted in humanity. But I

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Speaker 6: will be hones this with you. I do not grieve it,

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Speaker 6: not for a single solitary second.

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Speaker 3: This I grieve it, right.

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Speaker 6: I don't think any of us gree but I'm just

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Speaker 6: saying it's almost getting to the point where it's like

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Speaker 6: you have to come out and grieve this. I do

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Speaker 6: not grieve it, not for a single second. When our

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Speaker 6: disagreement is rooted in my destruction, I do not grieve

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Speaker 6: that death. It was not just Charlie Kirk. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he is not the martyr here. Tana Hase Coates did

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Speaker 6: some amazing thought piece for Vanity Fair, and he did

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Speaker 6: some really in depth reporting within this thought piece, Crystal Clanton,

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Speaker 6: the group's turning point is his group turning point.

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Speaker 3: USA. She wants texted.

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Speaker 6: According to ton of Hakki's reporting, she wants to text

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Speaker 6: and this is triple facts. I talked to ton of

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Speaker 6: Haze about this. This is vetted and fact checked. She wants,

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Speaker 6: texted a fellow Turning Point employee, I hate black people,

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Speaker 6: like fuck them all.

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Speaker 3: I hate black's end of story.

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Speaker 6: One of the group's advisors, Written McIntosh, published a newsletter

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Speaker 6: featuring an essay from a writer that said blacks had

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Speaker 6: become socially incompatible with other races and black culture is

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Speaker 6: unfixable and a crime written mess. In twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 6: after three black football players were killed at a school,

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Speaker 6: Meg Miller, president of Turning Points chapter at the University

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Speaker 6: of Missouri, quote unquote, joked in a social media message,

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Speaker 6: if they would have killed four more niggers, we would

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Speaker 6: have had the whole week off.

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Speaker 3: So this is the ilk of people who.

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Speaker 6: He followed, who the ruling class is suggesting that we

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Speaker 6: mourn that we grave when really we were like, so

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Speaker 6: what's y'all having for dinner tonight?

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Speaker 3: Like what's everybody doing this weekend?

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Speaker 6: You know, it was not this moment of grief for us,

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Speaker 6: and I will not be scared into silence around that.

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Speaker 6: I think we have every right and if not even

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Speaker 6: a right, a responsibility to say that's it this is

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Speaker 6: how we feel. I don't know Andrew what you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: There is a pathway to a solution. I think in

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Speaker 6: our politics there's a pathway to a solution.

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Speaker 1: But the not one that doesn't go through our humanity.

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Speaker 3: This is my point.

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Speaker 6: The humanity piece I do not believe has a solution.

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Speaker 6: I don't know the solution around that. I don't know

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Speaker 6: that there is a solution, which is why I deeply

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Speaker 6: connect it with Angel's point around humanity right.

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Speaker 1: Part of where I come from on this about how

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Speaker 1: they see my humanity, and it's probably built out of

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Speaker 1: the fact that I live in the South. There is

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Speaker 1: a polite disagree There is a polite understanding that we

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Speaker 1: are oftentimes co located walking next to, standing in line,

655
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Speaker 1: in front of, or behind somebody who doesn't respect my humanity,

656
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Speaker 1: doesn't believe I deserve what I got and where I am,

657
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: or or would wish me the worst. I almost in

658
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Speaker 1: so many cases wish that they could just say the thing.

659
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Speaker 1: And part of what I appreciate in sub cases about

660
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Speaker 1: it and Souf is someone will call you a nigger right,

661
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Speaker 1: or will put it on their truck or fly their

662
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Speaker 1: Confederate flag. You know, Hi, you know, loud and proud

663
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Speaker 1: on that said truck to just remind you of where

664
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Speaker 1: they think your place is. And so much of me

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: has been muted to that. It's like, okay, cool, you

666
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Speaker 1: make your way right on back down the street, the

667
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Speaker 1: way it is you live, and what all you've earned

668
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Speaker 1: and accumulated for yourself and for your family. But the

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Speaker 1: place where it is a non negotiable is when that

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Speaker 1: thing starts to then impact where my kids get to

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Speaker 1: go to school, how they get to experience their education,

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Speaker 1: whether or not they can compete competitively, either for debate

673
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: or for football, base or dance or ballet, whatever it

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Speaker 1: is that they choose, whether it impacts my ability and

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Speaker 1: then compete on the job. And I know that it

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00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: does right because a lot of these people then get

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Speaker 1: to take those same attitudes into managerial positions deciding who

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Speaker 1: gets to then join this part of the workforce. But

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Speaker 1: as it relates, I don't want to go on a

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Speaker 1: crazy tangent, but I just wanted to say I'm less muted,

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Speaker 1: I'm more muted to their respect from my humanity, and

682
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Speaker 1: I'm much more cinched in this idea of when you're

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Speaker 1: backwards ass you know, depraved beliefs, really about yourself, because

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Speaker 1: I know that's what's at the seat of it all

685
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Speaker 1: is the fact that you and I can't compete with

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Speaker 1: each other. We're not in the same league. You're absolutely correct,

687
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Speaker 1: and you got four hundred years plus of denigration on

688
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Speaker 1: me to have all the levels above. But unfortunately you

689
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Speaker 1: and I found your yourself and real competition, and you

690
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Speaker 1: cannot take.

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Speaker 3: The heart I'm not competition.

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Speaker 1: It's again if we had to be generous with the word,

693
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Speaker 1: now you find yourself in competition with me, and you realize, well,

694
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Speaker 1: what their parents realize is that they're back on the couch.

695
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: That their parents know is they didn't got the jobs

696
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Speaker 1: that they thought that they were going to be given

697
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: off of their quality, which now they are having to

698
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: compete off of the content and the quality, and they

699
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: can't pass the mustard. And so that fury is is

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Speaker 1: really a rejection and in reflection of the fact that

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Speaker 1: they are not prepared for this moment.

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Speaker 6: Yes they're not, but I don't think they've been prepared

703
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Speaker 6: for a lot of moments. But I think that is

704
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Speaker 6: the the the overwhelming evidence supports that racist, conservative white people,

705
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Speaker 6: whatever category they fall in, the right wing extremist, maga,

706
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call them. The truth is they

707
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 6: do not believe in themselves enough. Because if they believe

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Speaker 6: in themselves enough, they would not have to keep the

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Speaker 6: playing field.

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Speaker 3: So seesaw so.

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Speaker 6: Lots of exactly, and so because they don't, while we

712
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 6: have so much belief in ourselves, we can look at

713
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 6: this lopsided playing field and say, watch me, hurtle every

714
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 6: one of these mothers, and I'm gonna go well beyond.

715
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 6: I'm gonna reach depths that they have not even thought about.

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Speaker 6: And that is something that they find infuriating, that they

717
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Speaker 6: cannot coexist with.

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Speaker 3: And they respond in violence.

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Speaker 6: And you know the thing I will say about this

720
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Speaker 6: violence that's so scary is I watched the video of

721
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Speaker 6: him getting shot through through the neck more times than

722
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Speaker 6: I care to admit, in fear because that shot was precise.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just made me sick.

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Speaker 6: I was terrified watching that because we all speak publicly.

725
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Speaker 6: And what frightened me about it is in the immediate aftermath,

726
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 6: it was almost a whisper of go seek revenge. You

727
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 6: guys like go go out and whoever did this.

728
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Speaker 4: It was on bullhorn and it was on every social post.

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Speaker 1: From the highest levels of I mean, that's what I

730
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Speaker 1: mean that it was a permission structure.

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Speaker 4: That was loud, that was.

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Speaker 5: Truth social let's pull the post.

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Speaker 4: And when it was saying they.

734
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Speaker 5: Weren't mourning and we weren't mourning and grieving, I was

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Speaker 5: morning and grief.

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Speaker 1: Follow the orders, right, because otherwise would not have had

737
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Speaker 1: to close.

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Speaker 5: You were mourning way, So I'm mourning and grieving our

739
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: ability to it feels like there are pieces of our

740
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Speaker 5: freedom that are being dismantled every single day, sometimes by

741
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Speaker 5: the hour. So not grieving someone who's caused pain, but

742
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Speaker 5: grieving what is going to be the repercussions on us

743
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: and our freedoms as a result of how they began

744
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Speaker 5: to frame this narrative.

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Speaker 4: And even now when.

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Speaker 5: As soon as they found out that that little white

747
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Speaker 5: boy killed him, it was prayers up for him. Before

748
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Speaker 5: they realized that it was not a black or brown person,

749
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Speaker 5: they were on our heads like we ready to put

750
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Speaker 5: y'all back in the belly of a slave ship and

751
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Speaker 5: send you back across the ocean, right. And then as

752
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 5: soon as they realized who he was, the prayers up.

753
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Speaker 5: Now the frame is about whether or not he had

754
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Speaker 5: a trans partner who was transitioning in the fall, so

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Speaker 5: they can put it back at the feet of the left.

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Speaker 1: Which is by the way, insane, right, Yes, because none

757
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Speaker 1: of us. First of all, I've been around LGBT politics

758
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Speaker 1: from my work professionally and also personally, and I would

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Speaker 1: never connote simply a person's identity as an LGBTQ per

760
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Speaker 1: as being less right. I don't know what you were

761
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Speaker 1: raised in a conservative Utah household, And simply because your

762
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Speaker 1: life partner at this time and your life might be

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Speaker 1: a trans person does not tell me anything about what

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Speaker 1: you think about me. Hello, thank you, And the examples

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Speaker 1: can go on and on and on. So even the

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Speaker 1: trans pivot that the right is attempting to make that

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Speaker 1: on square with my politics, necessarily I don't know. While

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Speaker 1: I am a supporter of trans rights, what I don't

769
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: know is anything about what this man believed politically. And

770
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Speaker 1: by the way, he's never voted a day in his lives.

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Speaker 6: It's not just the right attachment that, it's the media

772
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Speaker 6: like they are clamping onto that too.

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Speaker 1: Is there a difference because.

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Speaker 6: Responsibility like I know these people and they're on air

775
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 6: like I know them, and just to hear them regurgitate

776
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 6: what talking points from the White House or tap dance

777
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 6: around what's real. It's so disappointing to see it's just

778
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 6: a I don't know, it's just a lost cause. And

779
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Speaker 6: I just feel like on some level at this point

780
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Speaker 6: I have been I feel so disconnected from politics. But

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Speaker 6: I totally understand your point are and you brought it

782
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Speaker 6: home beautifully when you were talking about impact where your

783
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 6: kids can go to school, and those are very real,

784
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 6: tangible things. But when I get to the humanity piece,

785
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 6: it just I don't know. I just feel so disconnected

786
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 6: from this landscape and the closest thing I can compare

787
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Speaker 6: it to I think you know about like enslaved women

788
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 6: or just women who were trying to make it during

789
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 6: the civil rights movement in the forties, fifties and sixties,

790
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 6: when your spirit is in such danger that you got

791
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 6: to huddle together and you've so far above you can't

792
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 6: even meddle in this melee right now, It can feel

793
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Speaker 6: like that is the devil's business to be even engaging

794
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 6: you in conversation and what you call a good health debate.

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Speaker 6: The one thing, and I think it's even above this,

796
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Speaker 6: but the word that you use Angela that I have

797
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 6: been I don't know if you created this phrase or not,

798
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Speaker 6: but I have definitely been using it as though it

799
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 6: is my own, and that is psychological safety. Ever since

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Speaker 6: you've said that, I've said that so often because that

801
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 6: is what I feel. Every time I'm doing Abby show,

802
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 6: I do like all day I'm tight, I feel so

803
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 6: just uncomfortable. When I walk in there, I feel uncomfortable.

804
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 6: And when I feel that way in life, I vacate.

805
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 6: I flee, like don't. I don't engage in that. And

806
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 6: I at this point, am starting to feel that way

807
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 6: off TV sets. I'm starting to feel that way around people.

808
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 6: And in my spirit, something is stirring saying it is

809
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 6: time to elevate.

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00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: It is time to in this.

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Speaker 6: The spirit inside you that is on this earth having

812
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: a human experience needs to elevate. And I feel that

813
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 6: spirit of commonality and a whole lot of other black

814
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 6: women too. Now it could be with black men, but

815
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Speaker 6: I talk to a lot of black women who just

816
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: are We're kind of observing, like Wow, this is really happening.

817
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean we're apathetic.

818
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Speaker 6: It doesn't mean we're not gonna vote, doesn't mean we're

819
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 6: not organizing, but I take very extended breaks from looking

820
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 6: at the minutia of what's happening in this world because

821
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 6: it weighs my spirit down in a way that doesn't

822
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Speaker 6: feel right to me. It doesn't feel natural to me.

823
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Speaker 6: So I don't know what other people are going through

824
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Speaker 6: what I feel that.

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Speaker 1: That's powerful, and I know we're closing out, but well.

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Speaker 5: And just really quick, I do want to say that

827
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Speaker 5: while this country continues to grieve so many instances of

828
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Speaker 5: loss of life, political officials who were in states that

829
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Speaker 5: where flags were not flowing half masks and they weren't

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Speaker 5: even acknowledged by the president for losing their lives. But

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Speaker 5: I also want to point out that the day after

832
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Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk was killed last Thursday, there was another high

833
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 5: school shooting at Evergreen High School in Colorado. And I

834
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 5: think it's important for us to realize that yes, people

835
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Speaker 5: kill people, but the access to guns and the lack

836
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Speaker 5: of gun safety in this country will continue to perpetuate

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Speaker 5: all types of harm and violence if we don't get

838
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Speaker 5: it under control. I think that is a non partisan problem.

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Speaker 5: Bullets are nonpartisan, and so should our ideology be around

840
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Speaker 5: protecting citizens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you'd almost think our humanity would also

842
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Speaker 1: be non partisan adviting.

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Speaker 4: How about that.

844
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Speaker 6: Before a search I'll comes on, Andrew, do we have

845
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Speaker 6: time to talk at least briefly about HBCUs or do

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Speaker 6: y'all want to do that in the mini.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear, Angela. I don't know if you

848
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable just sort of bringing us into that real quick.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important that we RaSE suspected for our

850
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Speaker 1: community about what's happening on the funding.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 5: First, I just want to acknowledge that our schools have

853
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Speaker 5: been fighting for their lives since the foundation. You all

854
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Speaker 5: as should we see you grad certainly know that you know,

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Speaker 5: historically black colleges and universities have to do more with

856
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 5: less all the time, and this is no different. So

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration recently made an announcement that it was

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Speaker 5: giving five hundred million dollars to historically black colleges and

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Speaker 5: universities after cutting funding for minority serving institutions. And what

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Speaker 5: I wanted to do in this moment was just a

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Speaker 5: flag that this was not a new grant or a

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Speaker 5: new gift like what they do for rich taxpayers. It

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Speaker 5: actually resulted from a taking so this administration cut three

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty million dollars that supported minority students in

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Speaker 5: science and engineering in STEM fields. We know that black

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Speaker 5: students are are historically underrepresented in STEM fields. Three hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty million dollars was cut from federal grants two

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Speaker 5: minority serving institutions. Again, remember that number three hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty million. There was a five hundred million dollar influx

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Speaker 5: to HBCUs and to charters. Nearly one hundred and forty

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00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 5: million was cut from teacher training programs because the administration

872
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: claims that it promoted quote racially divisive ideology. Additionally, fifteen

873
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: million was cut from Magnet schools specifically created to combat

874
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 5: school segregation and provide educational opportunity for black students. And lastly,

875
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: nine million cut from Gifted and Talented programs. The administration

876
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 5: said that these used quote racial targeting and recruitment, suggesting

877
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 5: they were actively working to include black students. Now here's

878
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 5: the thing that I just want to flag, because people

879
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 5: love to say that something was the lesser of two

880
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 5: evils when we talk about our politics. The difference between

881
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: the five hundred million dollar transfer from minority serving institutions

882
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 5: and programs that help black students is that under the

883
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 5: Biden Harris administration, they invested seventeen billion over four years

884
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 5: to historically black colleges and universities, and those were not

885
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 5: transfers from other minority serving institutions. I think people will

886
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 5: often and I want to flag this for our audience

887
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 5: because we can get a little black versus brown, black

888
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 5: versus indigenous on here in ways that I don't like.

889
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 5: Let me make it clear to you that one bucket

890
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 5: I used to work for an organization that represents historically

891
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 5: black colleges and universities. It's called NAFIO, the National Association

892
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 5: for Equal Opportunity and Higher Education. You can look it

893
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: up to fact check me. Under Minority serving institutions and

894
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 5: Title three funding is something called predominantly Black institutions. So

895
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 5: it's not just Hispanic serving its institutions and Native American

896
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 5: serving institutions that experience these cuts, it's also predominantly black institutions.

897
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: I would I appreciate that, Angela. I would also simply

898
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: add that also be careful where it is that they

899
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: are targeting the influx of resources, because if you've experienced

900
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: being an HBC in a state like mind, like Florida,

901
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: where on one hand they like to look like they're

902
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: dangling these nice influxes of resources, but with the other hand,

903
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes with the same damn hand they're giving. They

904
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: are taking away our professional degree programs. They are reducing

905
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: our ability to produce massterial and doctoral degree programs. They're

906
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: removing research funding from US and putting it with pwis

907
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: eliminating the opportunity for our kids to get our college

908
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: students to get access to that. So essentially, what they

909
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: have resigned themselves to is if we're going to support

910
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: blacker educational institutions, we will support them in being a

911
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: bacalaureate degree manufacturing institution, but we will not put resources

912
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: into their ability to become lawyers, doctors, professional degree earning

913
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: seeking and earning individuals where they can earn greater resource,

914
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: more money, attain higher degrees, more pay, and also ability

915
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: with certain positions to attain those positions. But we'll go

916
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: ahead and give them a baculoia degree manufacturing institution, but

917
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: we won't offer them the opportunity at higher levels of education,

918
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: higher levels of opportunity for research where they are quickly

919
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: and assiduously moving the cheese is in the direction of

920
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: that level of educational performance and production and then trying

921
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: to relegate us to only being baculoiate degree granting institutions.

922
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think this is a conversation we'll pick

923
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 6: up again and again because it's to me it seems

924
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 6: like a coded effort to stoke a war, to have

925
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 6: communities fighting over crumbs while.

926
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: They always steak.

927
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: So, yeah, will visit this.

928
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 4: Okay, native lampod vam.

929
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 5: Just on the other side of this break, we'll be

930
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 5: joined by Sergio Hudson and IgA Beckham family that Tif

931
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 5: and I and we hope that they become family to YouTube.

932
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: So joining us.

933
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 5: Now we have two powerhouses in the fashion industry. Many

934
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 5: of you all may know that it is New York

935
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 5: Fashion Week time. It's Tiffany and I's favorite time of

936
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: the year. But sadly both of us we're not able

937
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 5: to join people who will become like dear family members

938
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 5: to us. And they are joining us here to talk

939
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 5: about really the role they've had as black designers, a

940
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 5: fashion powerhouse in this industry, the many ways in which

941
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 5: it is challenging, in all of the many ways in

942
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 5: which they've overcome, they are inga Beckham, who is the

943
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 5: CEO of Sergio Husband and Sergio Husband himself the creative

944
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 5: director and co founder with Inga Beckham of this incredible brand.

945
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 4: Hey, y'all, we missed the shows.

946
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: I'm so bummed I can be there.

947
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 6: Well, you'll see on the screen pictures of Angela and

948
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 6: I each year sitting there gawking and drooling over every

949
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 6: dress and design coming down. We literally sit there the

950
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 6: whole time just tapping each other. And we are very

951
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 6: lucky and fortunate to be donned in Sergio when we

952
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 6: were seated front row in Sergio Hudson's show, So we

953
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 6: consider it an honor and a privilege to be on

954
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 6: your invite list every year. So thank you both. So

955
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 6: y'all have come through, and Inga, you know y'all have

956
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 6: come through for us many many times. So we love

957
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 6: you both.

958
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: But Inga, you know we.

959
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 6: We we owe you drinks and dinners, I'm sure.

960
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 4: Yes, and all the flowers.

961
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 5: But I do want to just say we do appreciate y'all,

962
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 5: And I think Tip what you said is a good

963
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 5: place to start. Tip talked about the two of us

964
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: being there, but also y'all know the machetes show up

965
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 5: regularly to Sergio Hudson fashion shows twice a year where

966
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: Fashion Week takes place.

967
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: You all have been clutch for us emotionally.

968
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 5: You all have been clutch for us just you know,

969
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 5: in terms of all the ratchet things we do, cracking

970
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 5: all the jokes, and I think that we together have

971
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 5: built a community of encouragement. And so the expectation I

972
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 5: have for y'all is that our community would support you

973
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: all the ways in which you support the community. And

974
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 5: I would argue, there are a lot of people that

975
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 5: don't know all of the things you do. But I'm

976
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: just gonna give y'all one quick example and then we

977
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 5: can get into this. As Inga sits before us right now,

978
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 5: she is rocking Simone Simone Smith's earrings. There is not

979
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 5: a black brand that they see as a competitor. They

980
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 5: see them as family. And even for black entertainers A Listers,

981
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: B Listers, Z listers, I'm a Z lister, They look

982
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 5: out and take care of us right like you guys

983
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 5: just do. And I just I want to publicly thank

984
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 5: you for the ways in which you show up for

985
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 5: people when they're on top, when they're somewhere in the middle,

986
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 5: and when they've hit rock bottom.

987
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: I'm about to get thinking about it, the way that

988
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: y'all that y'all have.

989
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 5: Come through, and one example that comes to mind, and

990
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 5: then I'm gonna yield on the other side of the

991
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 5: really unfortunate, humiliating dismissal of our dear sister Joy read

992
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 5: from MSNBC. Joy was asked to be a special surprise

993
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 5: guest at Black Women in Hollywood in LA and I

994
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 5: did what I normally do, text and get the eleventh hour,

995
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 5: like Sis, there's this incredible moment Joy has and we

996
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 5: on a show, she's on top. And when I tell y'all,

997
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 5: Inga and Sergio sprang into action to make sure that

998
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: Joy was looking her best and filling her best And

999
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 5: then was like, you and Tiff cannot go to that

1000
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 5: looking crazy.

1001
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 4: Y'all gotta look y'all gotta be rocking the right thing too.

1002
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 5: So it's just a small example of the things that

1003
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 5: y'all have no idea they do.

1004
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 4: And I just love y'all, So I just want to

1005
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: lift that up.

1006
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 5: That was a long filibuster, thank you, but it really

1007
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 5: is one thing that I think is important for all

1008
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 5: the A listers that missed out on that show, which

1009
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 5: is one of the best. I am biased, but it

1010
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: is also true. I just want them to know that,

1011
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 5: y'all are.

1012
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 6: I think before we come to you, guys, I just

1013
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 6: want to say some of the people you dress, so

1014
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 6: you guys can fill in the blank. But of course,

1015
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 6: Madam Vice President Kamala Harris is a regular on your

1016
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 6: client list. Actress Blake Lively can often be seen donning

1017
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 6: your fashion on red carpets, Machete member co host of

1018
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 6: The View Sunny Houston. We actually gifted her for her

1019
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 6: birthday one year on air, Sergio fits.

1020
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 3: So you are a I mean.

1021
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 6: A household name in elite Hollywood circles and brands. Can

1022
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 6: you talk to us a little bit about what happened

1023
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 6: this week around fashion Week and your relationship with you know,

1024
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 6: the black community, Like, how can we support you and

1025
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 6: how have you experienced support?

1026
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 8: So and I said, listen to my team.

1027
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 16: You know, I'm I was raised by activists, minister who

1028
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 16: you know. Literally, I've sat outside while my mom went

1029
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 16: into crack house and got people out. I've driven hours

1030
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 16: with her to take people to rehabs. I've went in

1031
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 16: to you know, get prostitutes off the street, like I

1032
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 16: was raised like that to help my community to be better,

1033
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 16: be greater. So when I chose to go into this industry,

1034
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 16: I look at it as community as we need to

1035
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 16: be all for each other. So so you know, I'm

1036
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 16: constantly asked questions. You know, why is this person not

1037
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 16: at your show? Why is that person not at your show?

1038
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 16: And my viewpoint on it is even from my team.

1039
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 16: You know, my viewpoint on it is who's going to

1040
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 16: be there is who's supposed to be there. And at

1041
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 16: the end of the day, I can't stress about who's

1042
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 16: not there, but I do value who is there for us.

1043
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 8: But what I will.

1044
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 16: Say is my issue came in you know when you

1045
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 16: see black A listers and I'm talking about black people

1046
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 16: because those are my people. I don't really care what

1047
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 16: you know, other communities do. They can do what they

1048
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 16: want to do, support who they want to support. But

1049
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 16: I'm just a black person that wants to support my people.

1050
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 16: And if you my viewpoint on it is, if you're

1051
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 16: an A list black person, what you can do most

1052
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 16: for a brand, not just my brand, but any black brand,

1053
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 16: for the Quan's brand, for Christopher John Rogers, for any

1054
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 16: of us that are strugg striving. I mean for Rachel

1055
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 16: Scott who just became the crab director of Penza Shuler

1056
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 16: and showed had her own show at the same fashion week.

1057
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 16: She did two fashion shows in one week. And you know,

1058
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 16: it's crazy that these A listeners don't go to these

1059
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 16: shows just to go you know what I mean. I'm

1060
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 16: not saying don't go to the other shows because we

1061
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 16: all support other designer brands. I mean, I carry a

1062
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 16: Ferragamo bag every day.

1063
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 8: I don't.

1064
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 16: I'm not against us buying designer pieces and supporting other

1065
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 16: designer brands.

1066
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 8: But what I'm saying is.

1067
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 16: If you have some celebrity, what would it be if

1068
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 16: every top tier A list black celebrity decided I'm going

1069
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 16: to go to at least one New York Fashion Week

1070
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 16: show that is by a black owned and run brand.

1071
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 16: What would that do for the diaspora of black designers

1072
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 16: out there. Because it's a lot of us, and we're

1073
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 16: all different and we're fading. You know, this season, I

1074
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 16: don't think it was but like two or three of

1075
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 16: us when a couple of season agoes like thirteen. So

1076
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 16: you know, this industry is extremely hard and if you

1077
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 16: can't get the support from your people. Then that's that's

1078
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 16: where my post was coming from. It wasn't coming from,

1079
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 16: Oh I'm upset these people didn't come to my show.

1080
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 16: We were literally turning people away from our show, you

1081
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 16: know what I mean. I tell people all the time,

1082
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 16: the seating at the show is what I hate the most,

1083
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 16: because people it's craziness, like everybody wants to come to

1084
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 16: a faster show. But what I was trying to say

1085
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 16: was we as a people have to stop allowing the

1086
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Speaker 16: drug of white adjacency to contaminate our psyche. And I'm

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01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 16: saying that from a place of being intoxicated by that

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 16: myself at times.

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Speaker 8: You know, I'm just being completely honest.

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Speaker 16: Sometimes when you're a designer and you dress black people

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01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 16: all the time, when you get that one white celebrity

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01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 16: that wears your stuff, it's like natural for your first

1093
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 16: mind going, oh my god, this is the biggest deal

1094
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 16: I've ever had. And I kind of have to sometimes

1095
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 16: talk myself down and say, you know what, this is great,

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01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 16: but that was great too. And you know, we have

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 16: to begin to train ourselves to know that we are

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 16: the moment. We don't jump into a moment, and we

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01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 16: make the moment and if we can learn that. Then

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Speaker 16: I feel like we would elevate every black brand, not

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 16: just clothing brand, but every black brand.

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Speaker 8: To the next level. And that's that's where I was

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 8: coming from.

1104
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Speaker 16: It wasn't coming from a place of I'm upset, because

1105
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 16: I wasn't at all.

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Speaker 8: It's been mostly love and understand But you know, you

1107
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 8: have those people who.

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01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 16: Come in and they're like, oh, maybe they just theyn't

1109
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 16: want to come to your show. And then you have

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01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 16: the people that be like, well, maybe if you put

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01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 16: more black in your show, they would come to your show.

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 16: You know, you have those people, the keyboard gangsters I

1113
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 16: like to call them, that come online and they want

1114
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 16: to get a rise out of you. But mostly it's

1115
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 16: been love and understanding. But I wanted people to understand

1116
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 16: I wasn't talking about like just my brand. I'm like,

1117
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 16: if you come to New York Fashion Week as a

1118
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 16: top tier alist, and when we say top tier alist,

1119
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 16: we know what that means person black person, and you

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01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 16: don't go to one show that is from a black

1121
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 16: owned brand, that is a problem for me. I'm sorry,

1122
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 16: I can't I can't even sugar coat the past that like,

1123
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 16: that's the problem.

1124
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 8: And if you don't think about it.

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Speaker 1: That's the even bigger problem it's worth Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, and to this, to this point, Inga, I

1127
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 5: want to come to you because I think that people

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01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 5: do need to see you off for who you are

1129
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 5: really are, which is supporters of black brands. Y'all are

1130
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 5: not requiring or requesting people to do anything that you're

1131
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 5: not readily doing yourselves.

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01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 12: You know.

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01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 5: So the fact that Sergio made this post and there's

1134
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 5: any controversy around it at all is really fascinating to me.

1135
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 5: Even this point you said back from the keyboard Gangsters,

1136
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make sure we roll tape of the some

1137
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 5: of the shows where the models are walking down right

1138
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 5: before you come out to say thank you and everybody.

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 5: It is a very diverse show and there are tons

1140
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: of black models. I watched Inga do one at Kim's

1141
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 5: conference this year for accelerate her with the models that

1142
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 5: came in, and it was still most it was very multicultural.

1143
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 5: Y'all are very conscientious and mindful of that. And I

1144
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 5: think if there's anything I want to speak for you, Inga,

1145
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 5: but you just expect the same back from your supporters.

1146
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think I think that is exactly first of all,

1147
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 12: let's I want to go back a little bit. You

1148
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 12: are not a Z lister. That's number one. When you

1149
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 12: guys show up and show out in your clothes, you

1150
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 12: are fabulous. So let's just address that right there.

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 9: We are honored to have you guys.

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 12: You guys have been doing the good work for the

1153
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 12: community for a very long time. And yes you do

1154
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 12: always text me very last minute. Angela will work on that,

1155
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 12: but there's nothing my co hosts.

1156
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 4: Will tell you then you can do it. I'm so sorry, y'all,

1157
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 4: I gots but to be.

1158
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 9: Very clear, we are fully aware of what your.

1159
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 12: Work is in the community, and we know that if

1160
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 12: we texted you at the very last minute, you would

1161
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 12: show up. And so I think for us, what Sergio

1162
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 12: is talking about is just reciprocal knowing that we come

1163
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 12: from that place right and knowing the hardships that we

1164
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 12: have when we are sold at Birdorf, Neiman Market, sax

1165
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 12: Fith Avenue, blooming Dell's. We are sold at all these

1166
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 12: you know, very prominent this department stores, and we sit

1167
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 12: across from all these big brands, but we are not

1168
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 12: we don't have one hundred million dollars, but.

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 9: We are fully owned operated.

1170
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 12: We you know, we have ownership of our brand, and

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 12: so we have creative control, and we're up against a

1172
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 12: lot and we fight every.

1173
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 9: Six months to do New York Fashion Week.

1174
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 12: This is hundreds of thousands of dollars that we're coming

1175
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 12: up with on our own sponsors that do believe in us.

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 9: So I think, you know, Sergio coming from a.

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Speaker 12: Place of just saying, not just for us, but for

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01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 12: all black designer brands or all brands of color that

1179
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 12: are fighting against all the funding, the people showing up.

1180
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 12: You know, what would it take, what would it take

1181
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 12: for us to get these A listers Black A listers,

1182
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 12: people of colature understand that just doing one small thing

1183
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 12: will make a big difference to a brand like ours

1184
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 12: or any other.

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 9: That is fighting this fight. It is really really hard

1186
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 9: to run this brand.

1187
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 12: It is really really hard to come up with these

1188
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 12: hundreds of thousands of dollars to do these collections. This,

1189
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 12: this is very serious for us. This is our livelihood. Sergio,

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 12: this is his dream, you know, it is my dream

1191
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 12: to support him. We have come together and we compete

1192
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 12: against these other brands, and so I think, like I

1193
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 12: know Sergio's heart so and he really wasn't.

1194
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 9: He wasn't hurt out. We had our front roll was lit.

1195
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 9: Let me be very clear, right, we had Mary J.

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 12: Blige, we had Sunny Austin, We had so many different

1197
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 12: influencers that came and showed up and posted and do

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 12: the things for us.

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Speaker 9: So we weren't.

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 12: We're not hurt, right, It just it just was his

1201
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 12: expression and any negativity around his post. It's people wanting

1202
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 12: to be negative, that are going to be negative no

1203
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 12: matter what.

1204
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 9: You do and what you say. Right, So I think

1205
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 9: we just you know, I think we had to.

1206
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,440
Speaker 12: I appreciate you guys for having us, and I appreciate

1207
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 12: giving us a platform for Sergio to be able to

1208
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 12: really speak his mind and you know, let people know

1209
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 12: what we do and how hard this is because we

1210
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 12: do support, we support, and we don't only support black brands,

1211
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 12: we support other brands as well, and we show up.

1212
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 12: You know, there are so many different races that are

1213
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 12: were are closed. Our runway is diverse. We had at

1214
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 12: least I think fifteen search your black models in our

1215
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 12: show this time.

1216
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 16: But so you know, Jenny having the question being asked,

1217
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 16: you know, or even being said, maybe if you use

1218
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 16: more black models, I don't even think about it.

1219
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 8: But I went through the model look and I'm like, oh,

1220
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 8: there are.

1221
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 16: Like fifteen fifteen models that are black, and then like

1222
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 16: I can't even the nationality, like between Asian and Hispanic.

1223
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 16: It was barely in the white girls. I was like,

1224
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 16: oh my god, I feel like I'm I need more

1225
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 16: white people. Like at the end of the day, it

1226
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 16: was pretty much just a show full of people of color.

1227
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 16: So I think that's a bigger thing. That's a whole

1228
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 16: other conversation when you see what do you see as

1229
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 16: black people? Because you look at my showing, because the

1230
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 16: girl has curly hair and she has fair skin, does

1231
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 16: that mean she's not black?

1232
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 8: I mean at the end of the day, Angela, I mean,

1233
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 8: look at me, look at my mother.

1234
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 3: In denial.

1235
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 5: You had it right, y'all know I'm sensitive about my

1236
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 5: call today.

1237
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 16: I know I'm light, and you know my mom is like,

1238
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 16: you know, but I'm very black. So I don't and

1239
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 16: I don't and I don't want to be like discounted

1240
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 16: because my skin color is like and I'm not gonna

1241
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 16: just count. And at the end of the day, everything

1242
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 16: I do is strategic. I use a lot of black

1243
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 16: models and I use models across the diaspora, because what

1244
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 16: happens in fashion is we turn black models into a

1245
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 16: trend and a type of model that you use. So

1246
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 16: if it's not just this one type of black girl,

1247
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 16: it's not a black girl, and that's just not true.

1248
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 16: Black people come in all different colors, and that's what

1249
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 16: I try to show in my show. So if you

1250
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 16: don't notice that there are different types of black girls,

1251
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 16: that's not my issue. You should just pay a little

1252
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 16: bit more attention to what's actually going on in the

1253
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 16: diaspora of black people in the world. It's not just

1254
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 16: one thing.

1255
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, Inga and Sergio, this is Andrew and I

1256
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: know we don't know each other, but I am adjacent

1257
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: to two of the women that you're dressing. So thank

1258
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: you for helping me to look better.

1259
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 5: Just by standing between the two of them, I'm saying

1260
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 5: I look forward to being dressed by you withday.

1261
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: But moreover, I just say, you know, first of all,

1262
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: congratulations on your wild success. And I think it should

1263
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: be very clear and I understand it clearly from you all.

1264
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: You aren't asking for any charity. It's sort of like

1265
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: what I was, what I was growing up, not growing

1266
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: up but as I entered politics very young, I'd be

1267
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: in you know, the Washington Post, in the New York

1268
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: Times or some publication, and my family would not give

1269
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: me credit until I was in ebony. And when you

1270
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: were validated by your people, then you had you had ascended.

1271
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: It was legit. You're doing something. You and ebony, if

1272
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: you and jet you, you hit it right. And so I,

1273
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: as I understood and listen to you, I thought back

1274
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: to that experience and thinking, you're not begging celebrities who

1275
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: are a listeners to come to your show. You're saying,

1276
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, see us, validate us, because your validation of

1277
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: us is important to me. It's important for our community

1278
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 1: to see. It's important that we see each other's value.

1279
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: And that why does not always write in the way

1280
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: in which the world has to see your contribution to

1281
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: uh this this space celebrity a or a lister. And

1282
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: I just think if you're going celebrities are particular about

1283
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: where they go anyway, So if you're going somewhere, you

1284
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: have intention to be where it is you are. And

1285
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: I think what you ass conversation as illuminated for me

1286
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: is that if you're gonna move with intention, move with intention.

1287
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: Don't give lip service to wanting to support our community

1288
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: when someone shot. But when we're at we're we're when

1289
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: we're at our zenith, when we are bringing wealth, value,

1290
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: beauty culture into the space and shaping that culture by

1291
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: our contributions, it would be nice to look out and

1292
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: see you there with a wink in or no saying

1293
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, brothers, sister for what you are doing,

1294
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: period right.

1295
01:14:52,760 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 17: And yeah, thank you, Yeah, you know, go ahead and anyone.

1296
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 1: Let's spread that word. Let's spread that message. These incredible creatives, yeah,

1297
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: are coming from a glass half full, if not running

1298
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: over and moreover, they're doing it with intention for our

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Speaker 1: community to be seen not in a box, but with

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Speaker 1: a canvas. I love that and everything that paints.

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Speaker 6: Well, Okay, I just I want to ask something because

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Speaker 6: Inga you have have shared with me about the financial

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Speaker 6: structure of fashion.

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Speaker 3: Sergio.

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Speaker 6: You have been so insightful and answering all of my questions.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think even the fashionably aspirational you know

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Speaker 6: who go out there and you know, will spend all

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Speaker 6: their money on Gucci or Prada because they hear that

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Speaker 6: mentioned in a hip hop song or they see you

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Speaker 6: know something in and pop culture that makes them say, oh,

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Speaker 6: if that's what the cool people are wearing, that's what

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Speaker 6: I want to wear. And the impact it has when

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Speaker 6: we do that on black brands. One the incestuous nature

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Speaker 6: of the fashion industry and its ownership. Right, so a

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Speaker 6: lot of these brands, which I did not know, fall

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Speaker 6: under the same umbrella company.

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Speaker 3: Also something I didn't know.

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Speaker 6: Sergio was so kind enough to take me to lunch

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Speaker 6: at Bergdorf Goodman and we went into the store and

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Speaker 6: I I was so excited. I was like, Oh my gosh, like,

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Speaker 6: you have your own section. And then we were walking

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Speaker 6: and I saw another designer with like a huge section,

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Speaker 6: and I was saying, I've never even heard of this person,

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Speaker 6: Like who is this person? And this person had just

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Speaker 6: come out, had just become a name, like within the

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Speaker 6: past year. But I'm like, but Sergio has been out

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Speaker 6: for years.

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Speaker 3: What did this? I don't need to tell you all

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Speaker 3: who you love to do? The white girl?

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Speaker 6: What did the white girl do to get this huge section?

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 6: While Sergio, who is dress seeing everyone from the highest

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Speaker 6: ranking official black women in the United States and Vice

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Speaker 6: President Kamala Harris, so one of the top and first

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Speaker 6: Lady Michelle Obama to one of them, thank you, keep

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Speaker 6: keep them coming like we could coming. But also to

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Speaker 6: some of the Hollywood's top rated actresses, I mean from

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Speaker 6: Gala's to show, thank you, thank you anybody who you

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Speaker 6: guys want to name that that you dress. So, I

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Speaker 6: don't know, I just think there would be if we

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Speaker 6: would benefit from hearing from you both on the the

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Speaker 6: financial structure of that and how these these I guess

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Speaker 6: the merchants, I suppose, the people who are the buyers,

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Speaker 6: how they determine who gets placement in these department stores,

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Speaker 6: how your brands are promoted, and what you all have

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Speaker 6: to do versus other people who fall under conglomerates to

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Speaker 6: might own five of the top brands like Lvates for example.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think it really.

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Speaker 12: Does honestly come down to funding. Right, A lot of these,

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Speaker 12: as you mentioned in Bergdorf Goodman, they have in stores. Right,

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Speaker 12: you have an in store, you do have to have

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Speaker 12: the funding you pay for in stores, which means you

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Speaker 12: have a build out essentially. If you don't have all

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Speaker 12: that funding behind you, then it does come down to

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Speaker 12: the department store and your sales, et cetera. And you

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Speaker 12: get an in store, you know, if you have the

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Speaker 12: funding for it. Essentially otherwise, truthfully, when you are in

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Speaker 12: these department stores, basically it is the amount of clothing

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Speaker 12: that the buyers are allotted to come into your market

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Speaker 12: and buy. So you have an amount that they come in,

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Speaker 12: they buy the clothing, and based upon how much they bought,

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Speaker 12: that is where you have the placement in the stores.

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Speaker 9: That is how it works.

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Speaker 3: Got it? That's helpful?

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Speaker 1: And then how can folks at home support? Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: they're not going to make it to Fashion Week, if

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Speaker 1: they're not going to make it uh to New York

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Speaker 1: City and to Burgdoff Goodman's, how can how can the

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Speaker 1: person at home right now in Alabama where where my

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Speaker 1: mother in love is and in Georgia, Southern Georgia where

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Speaker 1: my mama is. I don't know what they person is

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Speaker 1: looking like, but but how can they How can they

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Speaker 1: find you, see you, access you so they can.

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Speaker 12: Go to Sergio Hudson dot com. We have a direct

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Speaker 12: to consumer site and we are really great with our

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Speaker 12: customer service. I have really decided that we are going

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Speaker 12: to work very strategically on ourselves on our store.

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Speaker 8: We used to.

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Speaker 12: Really put the department stores first. When I say that,

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Speaker 12: I mean, you know, obviously, these are the stores that

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Speaker 12: are frequented the most, that are are in other states

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Speaker 12: and that you can get to.

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Speaker 9: So we we love at.

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01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 12: Until we get our own brick and mortar, which we

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Speaker 12: will be. I am claiming that it's going to happen,

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Speaker 12: and so we will. We will be in states near you,

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01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 12: but for now, Direct to consumer Sergio Hudson dot com.

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01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 12: Come on there shop that is the place. But we

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Speaker 12: are in Neiman Marcus in Atlanta.

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Speaker 9: We are in uh.

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Speaker 12: Bloomingdale's in New York and uh is it DC Sergio Sergio. Yes,

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Speaker 12: So we are at different stores in different states across

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Speaker 12: the country.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: The the last thing that I want to say, because

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Speaker 5: I was heckled for my last minute requests, I just

1397
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 5: want you all to know that we are going to

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Speaker 5: be at the Congressional black hawkt Foundation Daniel legislat the

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Speaker 5: conference next week.

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Speaker 4: It's also and.

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Speaker 5: There may or may not be a very important moment,

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Speaker 5: so it would be amazing if.

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Speaker 3: We could be there will be an important.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: Or may not know about that moment.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, well then you know more than me.

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01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 5: But all I'm gonna tell you is this It would

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Speaker 5: be nice to be as as Biggie would say, but

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 5: I'm a re quote Sergio Hudson down to the sock.

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Speaker 4: It is so if we can, if we can figure

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Speaker 4: that you.

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Speaker 1: Like why you all have been so generous with your

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01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: time as as we as we part with you, we

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 1: want to give y'all the last word to what what?

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01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 4: What?

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01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: What would you have us do? What do you want

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01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: the people to do? What do you want the folks

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01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: to know?

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01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 4: Any call to action?

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Speaker 1: Basically your call to action? What would you lead admonishors

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01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: to do?

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Speaker 16: Oh wow, that's a lie, but I think so here's

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01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 16: the thing. If our brand is very specific, so we

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Speaker 16: I do understand that everybody can't afford to, you know,

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Speaker 16: Sergio Hudson collection, but those of you that can, and

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,520
Speaker 16: you buy designer clothes often, I'm not telling you to

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Speaker 16: forfeit any of your favorite brands. All I'm saying is,

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 16: you know, go in request us, ask for us, try

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01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 16: us song, try us out, see how you like it.

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Speaker 16: And if you can just create a little section in

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Speaker 16: your closet for us or for some other designer brands

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 16: that might fit your taste a little bit better, and

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Speaker 16: you will see how if everybody that could afford our

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Speaker 16: clothes did buy it, it would help so much and

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Speaker 16: you would see the growth. And what I will make

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Speaker 16: a promise to you is if that you do support us,

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Speaker 16: that we will give back to our community that looks

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Speaker 16: like us, and we will create more opportunities for people

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Speaker 16: that look like us. That's the difference between when you

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01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 16: purchase from us and when you purchase from a brand

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Speaker 16: that doesn't look like you. I mean, it's nothing that

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01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 16: can go back to you when you know. It's kind

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01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 16: of like when you have a credit card and you

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01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 16: you like there that particular cards we like better because

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01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 16: you get cash back. I feel like when you support

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01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 16: black brands across the board, you're getting cash back into

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01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 16: your community. It's a way for you to help, it's

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01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 16: a way for you to grow. Because the reason we

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01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 16: don't have a foothold in this interest because we don't

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 16: have any ownership. Any industry that you don't have ownership in,

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01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 16: you have no power. Power in any industry is money.

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01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 16: And in fashion, we don't have the power because we

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 16: don't have the money. And that's the why you don't

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01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 16: see a lot of us. You know, that's why I

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01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 16: can go from having thirteen black designers down to two

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Speaker 16: or three in a fashion week. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 16: we are working on some things to where we can

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Speaker 16: reach a bigger price gap of people. You know, confidentially

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01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 16: we are doing working on a couple of things to

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Speaker 16: be able to do that.

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Speaker 4: But wait a minute, Sergia, you can't break news in there.

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01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: Just all I can.

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Speaker 16: Tell you, That's all I can tell you. That's all

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01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 16: we can tell you is we're working on something.

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Speaker 6: But yes, okay, yeah, we're working on some things to

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01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 6: be able to reach more of a bigger audience, so

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01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:17,839
Speaker 6: to speak.

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Speaker 16: And that's all I can say is support us and

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01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 16: you know, ask for us, and that's all we can do.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to your amazing partner, Devine.

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Speaker 8: Yes we're going to love that. I need.

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Speaker 10: You.

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Speaker 12: Guys can take it home to just piggyback off what

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01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 12: Sergio said. You know, if you can't afford the brand,

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01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 12: and you know that's understandable, especially especially in this time

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 12: where everything is so uncertain. You know, tag repost refer

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01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 12: to someone you know, uplift us in some way. It's

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01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 12: not always in a monetary where there are many things

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01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 12: to do to show support for the brand, what you

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01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 12: guys are doing right now. So we're grateful for it all.

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 12: And I want to be very very clear, like I

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 12: said before, our front row was lit. Our supporters. We

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01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 12: have supporters of every race I mean that showed up

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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 12: for us, that we love dearly and appreciate. So you know,

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01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 12: just for our people that did show up, our A

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Speaker 12: lists that did show up, that show up for us,

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Speaker 12: we are eternally grateful.

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Speaker 4: We are so grateful for y'all.

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01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 5: Thank you for all you do for setting the standard

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Speaker 5: and blazing the trail in the fashion industry and beyond.

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Speaker 4: We love you, INGA.

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01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 5: Every time we get together, you know, we crying, so

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Speaker 5: I aren't doing it at the end of the show too.

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Speaker 4: Sarjia. We love you, brother, and to both of your partners,

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01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 4: we love.

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01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 9: Thank you, Andrews. Pleasure to meet you. We want you

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Speaker 9: as some men.

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Speaker 1: Sergio, I'm here there it is. I'm just trying and

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Speaker 1: keep my you know, little figure together for you, you know,

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01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: put me out there, bro.

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Speaker 12: Like he certainly because he put it, he put what

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01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 12: we wanted to say in words.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you God bless y'all, And

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: we're wishing you well, bless up, bless welcome. Well, that

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01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: was a beautiful conversation, y'all. And and I saw their hearts.

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01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: I heard their hearts and saw their hearts, and I

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Speaker 1: just sometimes think the reason why I wanted to just

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01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 1: emphasize how you know, the cup running over and that

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Speaker 1: this isn't charity, is that they I saw the more

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Speaker 1: spokespeople crying out for, you know, their fellow family of

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Speaker 1: black designers in this space, who were again once thirteen

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Speaker 1: last year at Fashion Week and this time two or three, right,

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Speaker 1: so you know, for as they said, for those of

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01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: us who can, we should. And I know every I

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01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: know some of the most struggling in these people. I

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01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: know who set their design on getting that, you know,

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01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: being able to have that red bottomed shoe one day

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01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 1: and they go get it. So set your design on

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01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: a Sergio Htel and go that your nope, my CTA,

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01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: however is and then I'll leave Linda yours. It's simply

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01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: that I was reading about, of course, the high rate

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01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: of unemployment amongst black women, which again is rivaling historic low,

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01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: historic highs for Black women in America in their unemployment

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01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: and the rate of them that are now reaching six

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01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: months without a job and in the job search, and

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01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: how really debilitating and depressing and undermining it can be

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01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: to the mind, to the ego, but also to the wallet.

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01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: And so for those of us who know folks who

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01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,839
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters who have been laid off, family members,

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01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: close friends, so on and so forth. Back when I

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01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: was growing up in church, you used to give love

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01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: offerings where you weren't asking for anything. Nobody came up

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01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: to you and said, I'm about to be in the

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01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: pole house, so I need such and such and such.

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01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: But folks intuitively just felt, you know what I wish.

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01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: Let me just bless this person with twenty dollars. I

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01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: just want to remind us of the tradition of the

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01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: fact that all of us go through something sometimes, and

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01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: in fact, if we keep living, probably those ebbs and

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01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: flows will happen throughout. And wouldn't it be nice if

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01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: we had people without us asking looking like we're beggars,

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01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: because we're proud people, especially those folks who work and

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01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: earn their living. But if you could bless folks up

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01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: a little bit by twenty five to fifty dollars check

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01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: you might give them might be the minimum payment they

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01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: need to put on their credit card that they've been

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01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: spending on to get by, to hold them over that'll

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01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: keep them from a default on that month's payment. You

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01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: just never know. And so I just want to have

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01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: us to expand our collective thinking and coverage and support

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01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: of our community to include even when folks haven't asked,

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01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: to just tap into your intuitive or your spiritual self

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01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: and say, man, let me just They don't even got

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01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 1: to know it came for me. Let me bless somebody

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01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: in a way that that may pay real dividends for

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01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: them and help them out of a out of a

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01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: buying But I hope things will change on this economy,

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01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be rough. It's rough now and it

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01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: may be rougher yet. Still. So that's my CTA, TIF

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01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: what you got.

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Speaker 6: You know, my CTA is really one for myself that

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01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 6: I'll invite other people to tap in and whatever way

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01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 6: they need. That is how I value myself. And it's

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01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 6: changed over the years. When I was I remember coming

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01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 6: into my late twenties going into my thirties, I stepped

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01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 6: into a new meet and decided, this is who I

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01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 6: am and this is what I tolerate and this is

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01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 6: what I don't and I definitely feel like I'm going

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01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 6: into a new era of that. Someone reached out to

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01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 6: me this week and asked me to be a backup.

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01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 6: They had asked someone else to do something and that

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01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 6: person was, you know, a little shaky on it. And

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01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 6: they said, oh, you know, just checking to see if

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01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 6: you might be available, and I said, I can be,

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01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 6: but I need to know, like within the next couple hours.

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01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 6: And you know, I won't charge you. I just you know,

1578
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 6: need your team to cover hair and makeup and transportation

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01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 6: and I'll help you out if I can't.

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01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 3: And he said, well, I don't know we're doing all that.

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01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 3: And my ego.

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01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 6: Said to say, I'll well, I don't know who to

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01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 6: you think you asking men, But my spirit said to

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01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 6: just say, oh, then you know I may not be

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01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 6: the person for you. Let me recommend some people who

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01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 6: might better serve this event. And just being done with it.

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01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 6: And I'm trying to, in every iteration of life, learn

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01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 6: how to value myself and that includes value my love

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01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 6: that I give to people. How am I valuing this

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01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 6: love and who I am? That includes valuing my voice.

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01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 6: If I'm not being listened to, then I don't need

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01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 6: to speak if I'm talking to you and you're looking

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01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 6: at your phone. I need to value my voice enough

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01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 6: my words that i'm speaking that know I'm not going

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01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 6: to repeat myself, and know I'm not going to keep talking.

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01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 6: I can just be silent. I'm also valuing my voice

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01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 6: in a space where you might have all the attention,

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01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 6: but maybe you just need to be quiet.

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01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 3: So just be quiet.

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Speaker 6: To challenge myself to go internal and be comfortable in

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01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 6: the home that is myself, in the home that is

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01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 6: my spirit and the silence of my own internal world

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01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 6: and navigating that and not jumping out there with an

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01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 6: opinion or a thought every single time it occurs to me.

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01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 6: I challenge everyone else to value yourself and I will

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01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 6: say angelo about the psychological safety. That is one way

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01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 6: to sharpen your discernment around psychological safety. And if it

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01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 6: makes other people uncomfortable, to be uncomfortable in that, you know,

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01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 6: because my psychological safety should not really be a negotiation,

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01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 6: and I have to create that for myself.

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01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 3: So that's my CTA.

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01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 5: This is gonna be the cringest ass podcast today.

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01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 4: I'm wearing this shirt today. This is protect your peace

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01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 4: as an affirmation because I feel like I haven't. My

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01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 4: voice is gone, guys, because I screamed so loud this week.

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01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 4: I did not mean to do this on the podcast.

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01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 4: We could just cut it.

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01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I could cut it.

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01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 3: Well, we don't have to cut it.

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01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 6: But I will say that Angela protects other people's piece.

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01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: She is a warrior on behalf of so many other people.

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01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 6: So I would like to close out the podcast here

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01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 6: and pick up because I think Angela has a soulful

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01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 6: call to action.

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01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 3: That is putting a lump in my throat.

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01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 6: That maybe could be a good mini pod to talk

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01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 6: about what whatever protecting your piece looks like and what

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01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 6: Angela has gone through this week that is highlighting protecting

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01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 6: her piece for her So Andrew, if you're on board

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01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 6: with that, I think this would be a good place

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01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 6: to close and invite our viewers to tune into the

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01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 6: mini pod so we can talk about what protecting your

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01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 6: piece looks like.

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01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: Indeed, then that's always we want to thank you for

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