WEBVTT - 081724 The Black Women Behind Kamala Harris (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. I am

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<v Speaker 1>your host, ramses John.

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<v Speaker 2>He is ramses Jah, I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>tuned into Civic Sipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed you are, And today we have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>episode because we are joined by good friends of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>These two are community leaders, activists and they are aka's

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<v Speaker 1>and recently we all had a fun time and a

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<v Speaker 1>core memory, as Talay puts it, at the Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>campaign rally in Glendell, Arizona, where she addressed a number

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<v Speaker 1>of things, including her plans for her administration with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel and Palestine. So we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with both of them. I'd like to welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the show Brandy Irvin, Hello, and to Lei Hornback Hello, Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we want you to stick around for that

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<v Speaker 1>conversation because again we are going to get the black

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<v Speaker 1>women's perspective on Kamala Harris. And this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>we have talked around on this show, but today we

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<v Speaker 1>have two black women who also come from a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the same, let's call it primordial sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that indeed Kamala Harris comes from as well. And to

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<v Speaker 1>know what this moment is like for you and to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sit at that intersection is something that I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people need to know about, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with so much misinformation and disinformation out there. The second

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<v Speaker 1>half of the show, we are going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about something that we've talked about before.

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<v Speaker 2>This time. Q is going to take the.

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<v Speaker 1>First Mike position, the lead role, and give us some

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<v Speaker 1>advice on how to talk to our political opposition online

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<v Speaker 1>and just kind of share what he's learned and what

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<v Speaker 1>he knows and what he's learning.

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<v Speaker 2>At not know. I was given advice today.

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<v Speaker 1>That he is because he learned something recently that I

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<v Speaker 1>think you will be in a treat force take around

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<v Speaker 1>for that and so much more. But before we get there,

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<v Speaker 1>it is time for some Ebony Excellent shout. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you shall.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's Ebony Excellence is sponsored by actively black. There is

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<v Speaker 2>story from NBC News Paris, American men have competed in

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<v Speaker 2>track and feel that the Olympics for one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight years. Never before, however, has there been someone

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<v Speaker 2>as young as Quincy Wilson. The sixteen year old ran

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<v Speaker 2>the opening leg of round one of the US four

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<v Speaker 2>by four hundred meter relay Friday inside Statte de France.

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<v Speaker 2>With that run, Wilson became the youngest male US Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>track champion, eclipsing middle distance runner Jim Ryan, who was

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen at the nineteen sixty four Olympics. Wilson later became

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest Olympic mail to receive a gold medal after

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<v Speaker 2>the US four by four made up of Chris Bailey,

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<v Speaker 2>Vernon Norwood, Bryce Deadman and Rye Benjamin one gold over

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<v Speaker 2>Botswana on Saturday. While Wilson did not compete in the finals,

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<v Speaker 2>his effort in round one earned him the hardware and

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<v Speaker 2>Friday's race, Wilson faded in the last one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty meters to hand over in seventh place, three seconds

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<v Speaker 2>behind the leaders, but Team USA did not panic with

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<v Speaker 2>strong legs from the other American runners, seeing the US

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<v Speaker 2>recovering to finish third and into Saturday's final. Without going

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<v Speaker 2>into detail, Wilson said afterward he was not completely healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I had a great three legs behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson said, and I quote, I knew it wasn't just myself,

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<v Speaker 2>because by myself we would be in last place. Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>handed off the teammate Norwood, whose forty three point fifty

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<v Speaker 2>four leg got the US back in contention. Norwood described

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<v Speaker 2>himself as very proud watching Wilson. Quote, I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in the moment because I was watching a sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old running in the Olympics. Olympic history, Norwood said,

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics is a very interesting time for us to

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<v Speaker 2>be very patriotic while also being very black and in

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting position to be in in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that absolutely is some ebony, excellent for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are happy to celebrate it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk.

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<v Speaker 1>To black women about Kamala Harris. So, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>we were fortunate enough to go to Kamala Harris's campaign

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<v Speaker 1>rally in Glendell, Arizona on August ninth.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cracking. It was yank.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just talk to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I did the bank here bounce for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh the music though, shout out to DJ Javin. So

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<v Speaker 1>for many of our listeners around the country, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that the show is based in Phoenix, Arizona. Obviously we

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<v Speaker 1>discussed national issues, but we have a sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>unique lens through which we view politics in this country

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<v Speaker 1>and the state of marginalized people in this country. Because

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<v Speaker 1>being in Arizona, it's kind of like Middle America, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also really big city. I think we're the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>largest city in the country. It's also swing states, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of blue, a lot of red, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of like, you know how Florida is

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting place. This is kind of like the Florida

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the most interesting well you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>it has a very Florida s like you might hear

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<v Speaker 1>some wild stories coming out of anyway. So our being here,

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<v Speaker 1>we certainly take advantage of the unique position that we're in.

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<v Speaker 1>We do get visits from obviously political leaders, We do

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of things that you would get into

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<v Speaker 1>New York and La Miami places like that. But also

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<v Speaker 1>this is the I think this is the headquarters of

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<v Speaker 1>the KKK is in Glendelle, Arizona, not far from this

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<v Speaker 1>camp where this campaign rally took place, if I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, an interesting place to be and to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>grow up in and this campaign rally, I was told

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<v Speaker 1>was the biggest political event in Arizona political history, which

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<v Speaker 1>certainly speaks to the moment, But I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>it will speak to the moment more than the black

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<v Speaker 1>women who were positioned behind Kamala Harris at this event.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there was a few moments that when viral,

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<v Speaker 1>a few moments that the media took out of that event,

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<v Speaker 1>and those moments, you know, when you look them up online,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see Kamala Harris speaking, and of course the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>behind her is seated behind her with the signs that

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<v Speaker 1>say Kamala and the signs that's a coach that are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of supporting Tim Walls and so forth. But in

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<v Speaker 1>those photos right behind Kamala Harris are the two young

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<v Speaker 1>women that are in studio with us today, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were back there wearing their pink and their green and

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<v Speaker 1>they were supporting their I want to say this right, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you say it right, Solo. I know the

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<v Speaker 1>word is soro, but I always hear Sarah, so either

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<v Speaker 1>way it sounds Camilla says sorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the That's where I got it from.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And for those that don't know Sora Camilla is

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Camilla Westenberg was a frequent contributor to this show

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<v Speaker 1>who was also an Alpha Kappa Alpha member. For those

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<v Speaker 1>that don't know, Kamala Harris is an Alpha Kappa Alpha

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<v Speaker 1>member as well, you made it a point to mention

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<v Speaker 1>that she is an Alpha Chapter A k A member

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<v Speaker 1>and chapter indeed and this moment and again, let me

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<v Speaker 1>back up a bit for those who don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>A k A is a sorority. Actually, why would I

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<v Speaker 1>tell this story? You are here, Why don't delay? Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you tell us about the AKA.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely Alpha Kappa Alpha story incorporated. It was the first

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<v Speaker 3>black sorority established for collegiate black collegiate women, and so

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<v Speaker 3>a CHI in nineteen oh eight gives you some insight

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<v Speaker 3>into the history and challenges and barriers that our founders

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<v Speaker 3>overcame to make such a historical milestone in black history.

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<v Speaker 4>Happened fantastic and founded at Howard University.

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<v Speaker 3>At Howard University of oh So pretty Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes that's an HBCU by the way. Okay, so years

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<v Speaker 2>ago Kamala started being black, I guess again, so that

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<v Speaker 2>she could pledge a divine nine sorority. Alpha Chapter at

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<v Speaker 2>an ABC.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew that was she in forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years she was going to play that Trump card and

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<v Speaker 2>come back out black.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and while we are proud members of the sort

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<v Speaker 3>incorporated in our opinions expressed tonight do not reflect that

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<v Speaker 3>of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>You being.

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<v Speaker 1>At that event behind her wearing pink and green, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that she uh skipped out on meeting with I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was Benjamin net and Yahoo when she had an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to to fulfill her prior commitment to go to

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was Houston. Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Houston?

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's correct, Okay, So tell us about what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on in Houston. Actually I think it was down Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>It was our uh boulet. So all members of the

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<v Speaker 3>Storty come together every four years to accomplish you know

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<v Speaker 3>what we what we set out to accomplish as service

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<v Speaker 3>to all mankind. So formal business setting conference like environment

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<v Speaker 3>and centered on keynote speaker as you can imagine. So

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<v Speaker 3>it was a big deal of course to have a

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<v Speaker 3>common present.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now, if you still don't know how big of

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<v Speaker 1>a deal this was, and you are just now coming

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<v Speaker 1>to the conversation about akas. I will be the one

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you about my experience, and you all feel

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<v Speaker 1>free to jump in. Q. You included in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>service you mentioned service all mankind. I've never seen anything

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<v Speaker 1>like it. The woman who's closest to my mother, she's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly my college mother. She comes and does to show me.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned her name, doctor Camille Westenberg. Her whole life

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<v Speaker 1>is lived in service, and her support system is the akas.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's not the only one. They're everywhere I've been

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<v Speaker 1>with and it's just a It's an amazing thing. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you know when people say bet on black women, black

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<v Speaker 1>women save this country time and again, black girl magic,

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<v Speaker 1>all these things, the thing that comes to mind most

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<v Speaker 1>frequently to me is a Ka's There's there's no other.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister used to compel me to go to AKA

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<v Speaker 1>events and she's like, you need to go and don't

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<v Speaker 1>come back without a wife.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>She was on what happened Ran.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still working on her because I don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought she hit you with the beatbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, But here's the thing. I think that all

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<v Speaker 1>of these sentiments are well founded. You two were at

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<v Speaker 1>this event with Kamala Harris, Uh, talk to us a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about what it meant for you as a black woman. Brandy,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna We're gonna go with you this time as

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<v Speaker 1>a black woman to sit there over the shoulder of

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<v Speaker 1>the vice president soon to be president of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America who is your so roar and witness

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<v Speaker 1>that moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Like nothing short of amazing. And I'm sick to think

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<v Speaker 4>that almost wasn't going to attend, but it was so amazing,

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<v Speaker 4>Like not even just me being a black woman and

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<v Speaker 4>have been in being part of the same sorority as

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<v Speaker 4>our Vice President, Kamala, but just being there with an

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<v Speaker 4>arena full of people who were excited and had all

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<v Speaker 4>this energy and we're excited about this energy towards change

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<v Speaker 4>and could see like a brighter And I know this

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<v Speaker 4>sounds so cliche and just corny, but to see actually

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<v Speaker 4>see a brighter future with someone than what we've been

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<v Speaker 4>experiencing or what we can imagine in the future if

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<v Speaker 4>there's an alternative. So just being there in that moment

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<v Speaker 4>and then being able to be like right behind her,

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<v Speaker 4>like girl, you have backup because we're here and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and and it's almost like yeah, like you have backup,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we're here, and it's not even just about being

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<v Speaker 4>you know, to the level of AKA and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like.

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<v Speaker 4>Or her party, or her running for president or her

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<v Speaker 4>being the vice president. It's like, this is our sorority sister,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to support her endeavors, which that day

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<v Speaker 4>happened to be that.

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<v Speaker 1>But also.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, me personally feeling like wow, like there's someone

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<v Speaker 4>who looks like me that will have, in you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a short few months, would have the power to like

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<v Speaker 4>really make a positive impact in this country. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>exciting to even think about, to even imagine, like just

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<v Speaker 4>the hope in the in the joy of just seeing it,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's I don't know, I'm gonna carry that like

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<v Speaker 4>with me forever.

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<v Speaker 2>The sad thing is that you said it sounded cliche.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it used to, ye, but it doesn't anymore. You know,

0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.560
<v Speaker 2>politics in our country have become very divisive, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of mudslinging, a lot of name calling, and the other

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<v Speaker 2>side more specifically, they don't even campaign on policy anymore.

0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.080
<v Speaker 2>They jump off the porch with hate and division, you know,

0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.560
<v Speaker 2>racistristry and things that divide us. They look to divide us.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not cliche at all. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>what was so for Ramses and I especially, what was

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<v Speaker 2>so energizing and so refreshing, is that they didn't come

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<v Speaker 2>on stage hating on anybody else. If you look at

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<v Speaker 2>that crowd, you see campaign signs and American flags, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't see schwashtikas, you don't see Confederate flags, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see anti anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody was happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's you know, you said cliche and but

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually nowadays not cliche anymore for somebody to just

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<v Speaker 2>come out and give you hope and enjoy and happiness.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they say laughter is contagious, and like you

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<v Speaker 4>also know how the other side kind of tries to

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<v Speaker 4>condemn Kamala for laughing and being joyful, but it's like

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<v Speaker 4>the reality is is that's starting to spread and and

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<v Speaker 4>that energy there's been there's an energy shift because she

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<v Speaker 4>is happy, she is smiling, she is a positive energy.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, and I feel that you know, people

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<v Speaker 4>who aren't that way, you know, feel attacked, but you

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't feel attacked by someone being happy and joyful and

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<v Speaker 4>spreading it. You know, to me, it reminds meself like

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<v Speaker 4>I like, you know, we laugh, we have a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, how to be serious when you need to

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<v Speaker 4>be serious, But like if you're not being serious, it's

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<v Speaker 4>okay to laugh a joke, to crack a smile, to

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<v Speaker 4>be you know, chummy with people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would just add, you know, it is a

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<v Speaker 3>historic moment. It's a historic time, and so I think

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<v Speaker 3>that was just further events at our experience, not only

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<v Speaker 3>being in the building, but where we lucked out or

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<v Speaker 3>blessed to be positioned that was unplanned. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just our not only presence in the arena, but on

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<v Speaker 3>whether that was television or whatever. It was already historical moment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we went right. But to now have that

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<v Speaker 3>tangible kind of evidence, uh, you know, the trail that

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<v Speaker 3>we're there, Yeah, it was. It was a blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's let's keep going with you today because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've talked about one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we've witnessed is that this campaign should be exciting. It is. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it is exciting. Joe Biden stepping down and making way

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<v Speaker 1>for the next generation, if you will, of leadership in

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<v Speaker 1>this country and embracing how that leadership looks. That's no

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<v Speaker 1>small thing. So there are those of us who recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the gravity of the moment and we appreciate it. But

0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:32.080
<v Speaker 1>there are people who are kind of like trying to

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<v Speaker 1>suck the oxygen out of the moment. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sour the moment somehow. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks on Kamala Harris aren't necessarily based on really

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<v Speaker 1>anything tangible. There are things like the way she laughs

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<v Speaker 1>or silly nonsense like that. One of the things, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want you to speak to this, is whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not she's black. Now we know that her parents

0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:03.640
<v Speaker 1>are immigrants to this country, but she's she's mixed race, right,

0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Her father's Jamaican, and so that was what anchors her

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<v Speaker 1>to blackness. And we talked about her history pledging you know,

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<v Speaker 1>AKA at nineteen years old, which you don't do unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're a black woman, you know what I mean. But

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<v Speaker 1>as someone you know to lay as someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>black and Fijian, kind of speak to that a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>like how those attacks hit you and how maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>feels bizarre or if it's something that you're you're comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with or you've known about or whatever. So talk us

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<v Speaker 1>through that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, they definitely hit me home for me, I

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<v Speaker 3>can I can relate to that. I think also just

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.920
<v Speaker 3>coming up in Arizona, right, and I think we're five

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<v Speaker 3>to six percent black now growing.

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<v Speaker 2>Up that much three to four percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we've grown.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have grown, right, we have grown. But so

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<v Speaker 3>I can relate on many aspects of the questioning right

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<v Speaker 3>of blackness. But I do think that both can be true.

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<v Speaker 3>She is both you know, East Indian, East Asian excuse me,

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<v Speaker 3>and also black. I think what's most important is the

0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.680
<v Speaker 3>perspective she brings to the table a minority, right, because

0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.080
<v Speaker 3>that minority perspective is something that we all share, regardless

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 3>of what group you identify with. Right, race is a

0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.720
<v Speaker 3>social construct anyways, that's a whole nother discussion. But culturally

0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.400
<v Speaker 3>and those connections between all of us, is that is

0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:34.439
<v Speaker 3>that minority perspective. But I think to counter that in

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 3>terms of issue black which is just the most ridiculous

0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.000
<v Speaker 3>argument anyways, but we do have to address it, right,

0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 3>it's out there. I think one thing that we all

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<v Speaker 3>know to be true that does unify black people in

0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:54.240
<v Speaker 3>particular is a black experience, and I think a lot

0:19:54.280 --> 0:20:00.600
<v Speaker 3>of that is lead a black experience with who you

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.679
<v Speaker 3>are on the outside, right, your features, your skin color,

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.800
<v Speaker 3>and so we know that won't step into your room,

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:14.119
<v Speaker 3>whether you're half Fijian, half Indian, half whatever. When you

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.639
<v Speaker 3>do look black, you experience the world different than those

0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.240
<v Speaker 3>who don't. And so you know, I think just having

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 3>someone who also has that black experience is enough. Let

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<v Speaker 3>alone she is black, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the other side has this very strange standard

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<v Speaker 2>that they hold themselves to and a completely different reality

0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.240
<v Speaker 2>that they use to judge and view us that entirely

0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:47.960
<v Speaker 2>different lens. Their narrative on our vice president changes daily.

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<v Speaker 2>Some days she put on black conveniently so that she

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<v Speaker 2>could run for president, which I don't know how they

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<v Speaker 2>would see that as some advantage.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Other days they highlight her blackness and call out ways

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<v Speaker 2>that she is somehow less qualified because of it. So

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 2>they DEI higher. So they speak out of both sides

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.199
<v Speaker 2>of their neck with regard to her ramses, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have our perspective, our sense of pride, and our sense

0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 2>of you know, it's interesting talking about DEI right us

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 2>feeling like we belonged and feeling personally proud of where

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<v Speaker 2>your soro is right now, but we could not imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, aside from and I'm actually glad that we

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<v Speaker 2>have not, specifically on this portion of the show, gotten

0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>into specific policy one because she's been running for president

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.159
<v Speaker 2>for what three weeks, whereas most have far longer to construct,

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, their ideologies and what they think their campaign

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.439
<v Speaker 2>strategy and what their legislation and policy platform is going

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.160
<v Speaker 2>to be. She had to on the fly go from

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<v Speaker 2>being the active vice president to now the presumptive candidate

0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 2>to run for that position. But we're spending a lot

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.000
<v Speaker 2>of time talking about how it felt. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's important because I told Ramsen and I even spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to you guys, there was a moment during the rally

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<v Speaker 2>where I just start taking pictures of strangers because I

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 2>just watched them experiencing joy out loud children. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a family that was three generations together there and and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Brandy, you and I spoke about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the women in our family who when they became of

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<v Speaker 2>age to vote, couldn't, and just the idea that now

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<v Speaker 2>they get to elect someone that looks like them, and

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.480
<v Speaker 2>you all get to elect someone specifically that looks like you,

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<v Speaker 2>the personal sense of pride that comes with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, there's a whole discussion that we had that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to invite you to check out at the Black

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Information Network. It's on the Black Information Network Daily podcast

0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 1>where we do get into some more issues, but for now,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I appreciate you sharing that perspective because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that people need to know about how

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<v Speaker 1>special this is.