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Speaker 2: He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with the

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Speaker 1: Rob King today. Matt Williamson off celebrating, well it's the

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Speaker 1: sixteenth anniversary of his daughter's birth. Oh, congratulations, congratulations to

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Speaker 1: him and all his success. But yeah, we're here today

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Speaker 1: at training campus, the Steelers finishing up practice a little

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Speaker 1: while ago, and beautiful day. Big crowd today, much bigger

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Speaker 1: than yesterday, and I expect an even bigger crowd tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Rob love it, love the energy, and you know, the

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Speaker 3: last couple of days after practice for the show with

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Speaker 3: Mike Persuda and the guys. I've done some post practice

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Speaker 3: interviews with Dante Jackson yesterday, Van Jefferson today, and they're

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Speaker 3: looking around like, whoa, these are big crowds and it's daily.

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Speaker 3: So Dante Jackson yesterday was surprised by the size of

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Speaker 3: the crowd. Van Jefferson today was surprised that it's daily.

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Speaker 3: These guys are gonna keep coming out every day absolutely

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Speaker 3: long as you get the Steelers out there somewhere.

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Speaker 1: People are gonna show up, Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the cool things. When you talk

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Speaker 1: to guys who are new to the team, when they

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Speaker 1: haven't gone away to a practice, when they haven't gone

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Speaker 1: away for training camp, just the whole atmosphere here, they

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Speaker 1: don't don't know that they understand it. And you can't

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Speaker 1: do that if you're practicing at your own facility. You

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Speaker 1: can get some people into your facility and you'll have

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Speaker 1: some open practice, but not like this.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's such a great tradition. It's really not that

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Speaker 3: far away. And the fact that fans will show up

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Speaker 3: for it and continue to show up for it just underscores,

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Speaker 3: you know, stealer nation. I mean, it's what it is, Dale,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's I don't know if you would get

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Speaker 3: this at any other NFL teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are very few that. At this point, there

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Speaker 1: are only eight teams that even have an off site

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Speaker 1: really they don't. It's not off site because they stay

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Speaker 1: in the dorms at Saint Norbert, which is about three

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Speaker 1: quarters of a mile away from their practice facility, and

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Speaker 1: they ride their bicycles over and do it so they're

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Speaker 1: really not going away to camp.

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Speaker 3: That would be one of the teams that I would

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Speaker 3: think could, with the tradition in the history, still pack

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Speaker 3: them in on a daily basis. But you know, and

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Speaker 3: it is an interesting dynamic with the teams whether you

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Speaker 3: go away or don't go away. I mean, Steelers obviously

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Speaker 3: hopped around for a while in their history before they

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Speaker 3: settled on Saint Vincent. But you know, the pros and

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Speaker 3: cons of it. It's interesting because Steelers obviously think the

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Speaker 3: pros far outweigh the cons, and they come up here

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Speaker 3: every year and it sounds, you know, pretty unwavering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is this is what they do.

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Speaker 1: This is where they want to be. Again, it's a

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Speaker 1: fifty plus years tradition of being out here, with a

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Speaker 1: couple of COVID years thrown aside there. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this place has changed so much just over the years

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Speaker 1: that I've been doing. This is thirty two years now

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Speaker 1: that I've been coming up here. I mean, these dorms

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Speaker 1: back here, where we're at now. You know, Chuck Nold

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Speaker 1: Stadium radio deals twenty behind me, behind me, behind us here.

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Speaker 1: The people have been out here. They know that the

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Speaker 1: dorms up here. They're new dorms that were built, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of specifically in part for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's named Arthur Rooney Chuck Noldfield. This was

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Speaker 1: this was put in, you know, in part because of

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. It used to just be the practice fields here.

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Speaker 1: You had cornfields here behind us, and you know, so

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Speaker 1: you know, as we were walking over from lunch and

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Speaker 1: the weight room. Imagine this. When we when I first

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Speaker 4: Did that third field exist?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Well, this area was here the fields were here,

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Speaker 3: Right, So what we're looking out over Saint Vincent in

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Speaker 3: their three fields, I didn't remember there being When did

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Speaker 4: Do you remember?

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Speaker 1: They were always here and they'd line them off, you know,

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Speaker 4: So the field down below us, right, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing too, for people that haven't been

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Speaker 3: a it's a really pretty part of the state, you know,

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Speaker 3: this whole. You know, I grew up in upstate New

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Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh. As I always said, I wasn't born here,

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Speaker 3: but I got here as fast as I could, right,

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Speaker 3: you know. It's very very rolling hills reminiscent of where

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Speaker 3: I grew up, small towns. Just it's a beautiful, beautiful setting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love taking the drive from here on thirty out

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Speaker 1: the league in ear and just you're going along along

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Speaker 1: the loyal Hannah. I believe it's a loyal Hannah and

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Speaker 1: you know, just kind of working. It's like a car commercial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really, it's just kind of buzzing along there

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Speaker 3: The fall the fallout here would be tremendous, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: But it's a great setting.

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Speaker 1: The summer's great. The summer is great because the Steelers

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it. I'll take the summer, but I'll

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Speaker 4: take the summer year round. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love the weather, love the temperatures, love the football,

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Speaker 3: the starting of football.

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Speaker 4: It's such an exciting time of year. You know, it

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Speaker 3: It gets you going, and it gets you to the

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Speaker 3: mind kind of of football season coming up. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think anybody that played it this time of year,

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Speaker 3: week or so away from starting your double sessions. Uh,

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Speaker 3: maybe college another week or two before you're starting your

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Speaker 3: there and doing the double sessions. Oh, I mean, it's uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if teams still do double sessions.

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Speaker 4: I think that maybe that's is that a thing of

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Speaker 1: Think they do at a high school level if they

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Speaker 1: do them a little earlier in the morning so you

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Speaker 1: noon for launching and do another session in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's it's a great time of year.

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Speaker 3: And you're I mean, because there's nothing like this sport,

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think too, what that does is builds

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Speaker 1: the camaraderie absolutely for the team, which is the same

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Speaker 1: idea that the Steelers have coming here. Like if you're

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Speaker 1: in a if you're in a team facility and you

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Speaker 1: have your your practice, it's it's almost like the regular

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Speaker 1: season where everybody comes in. They it's almost like punching

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Speaker 1: a you come in from your house. It's you know

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Speaker 1: the afternoon, you have more meetings and then you go home. Well,

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Speaker 1: here they're all kinds there's no home, right, everybody's here.

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Speaker 1: So the guys have to hang out together in the

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Speaker 1: do all the things that you do when you're hanging

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Speaker 1: I think that does build that bond.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, that's one of the things

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Speaker 3: that's changed in sports. You know, when I talked to

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Speaker 3: an interview the guys from the nineteen seventy nine Pirates

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Speaker 3: that we are family pirates. Those guys could not wait

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Speaker 3: they were in no hurry to leave. It's a different world.

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Speaker 3: Things have changed. And some of that's the media attention.

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Speaker 3: Some of it's just you know, it's a different monetary feel,

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Speaker 3: what have you. But when you come out here and

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Speaker 3: you have that capability, like you said, to be around

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Speaker 3: people and the nature of football, you know, when you

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Speaker 3: think about just comparing it to baseball, baseball is a

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Speaker 3: mental It's a physical grind, for sure, but it's a

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Speaker 3: mental grind. You're just playing every saving goal day. It's

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Speaker 3: two weeks of camp and then you're just playing games.

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Speaker 3: Well this is I mean, we are. There's some games

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Speaker 3: sprinkled in, but we're what five six weeks of this

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Speaker 3: not two weeks like baseball.

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Speaker 1: But there is a mental aspect of that as well.

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Speaker 3: No, for sure, because you got to go over there

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Speaker 3: and after practice you've got meetings. I was going to

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Speaker 3: get to that point, right, So it's it's a condensed grind.

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Speaker 3: But I think the players that get through this there's

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Speaker 3: almost a sense of survival, like you've survived something together

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Speaker 3: to be able. And to your point about the togetherness,

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Speaker 3: the meetings together, the practices together, the meals together, everything

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Speaker 3: together that helps you, I think as the season moves on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think, especially in football, there is a

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Speaker 1: a you know, because there's eleven of you on the

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Speaker 1: field and it takes all eleven guys doing their job

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Speaker 1: to make things work. If one guy doesn't do his job,

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Speaker 1: the play's messed up. Right, But if you know, Pat

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Speaker 1: Meyer has a sign saying like if one guy, if

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Speaker 1: we're all wrong, we're all right.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So if if all five offensive linemen do the wrong,

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Speaker 1: they're all no. We thought there's a zone blocking play,

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Speaker 1: but they all do it, you're okay. But if three guys,

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Speaker 1: doing something else, then it looks like a disaster. You know,

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Speaker 1: so but you you, you you have that want to

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Speaker 1: play for your for your the guy next to you,

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Speaker 1: because you've you've been through this kind of situation with them,

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Speaker 1: You've been there with them, You've you've been out there sweating,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the things, you know when And

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Speaker 1: we'll get to talk about it tomorrow because Matt and

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Speaker 1: I will do our regular show during practice tomorrow. But watching,

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Speaker 1: for example, the offensive lineman staying after practice and working

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Speaker 1: and you know, you see a lot of the guys

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Speaker 1: out here doing the extra work that if you're at home,

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't do that. My wife really wants me

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Speaker 1: you're out here, you don't have any of those I

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Speaker 1: hate to call them distractions, but that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: You got big problems. Yeah, there's all that about it.

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Speaker 3: in and get some reps as well, that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: It's good for him, good for his development.

435
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Speaker 1: And we got to see like, for example, Alan gets

436
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Speaker 1: three chances in seven shots today and and did well.

437
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Speaker 1: You know, Fields gets to run with the first team

438
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Speaker 1: in seven shots today. Didn't get an opportunity necessarily to

439
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Speaker 1: do those things either one of those guys, you know

440
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Speaker 1: it Fields with the ones and then Alan with the

441
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Speaker 1: twos to do seven shots, because you're what you have

442
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Speaker 1: to get your starter ready. And so when they did

443
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Speaker 1: those things in the in the in the off season,

444
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, Russell Wilson's taking the majority of those snaps.

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Speaker 3: Right by the way, Fields had some just beautiful throws,

446
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Speaker 3: as did Allen today.

447
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 4: Both guys had some tremendous throws today.

448
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Speaker 1: One thing I saw but with Fields today that was

449
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: he had an inordinate amount of passes batted down. That's

450
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Speaker 1: a good Those are good plays by the defense. That's

451
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Speaker 1: It's one of the things you have to balance out

452
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Speaker 1: when you're out here watching Steelers versus Steelers, Like, Okay,

453
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Speaker 1: you like to see Demarvin Leal get his hands up

454
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Speaker 1: and knock down a pass what he did today, but

455
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Speaker 1: he's also doing it against one of your quarterbacks, so

456
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Speaker 1: you know it's okay, you take a We saw TJ.

457
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Speaker 1: Watt knock one down in the seven shots drill. That's

458
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Speaker 1: what he does. You know he does that to everybody,

459
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Speaker 1: So you know, is it are the defenders really focusing

460
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Speaker 1: on getting the hands up? Is that something that they're

461
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Speaker 1: emphasizing here? And we saw more of it today, where

462
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Speaker 1: you know, does Fields have have something to work on there?

463
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Speaker 3: It's not always you know, easy to get those hands

464
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Speaker 3: up when somebody's shoving you in the chest, for real,

465
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Speaker 3: when you have pads on it accounts. Otherwise everybody would

466
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Speaker 3: just run around with their hands up in the air

467
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Speaker 3: and nobody would ever get.

468
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Speaker 4: A pass on. They just don't care, right waven like

469
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Speaker 4: they just don't care.

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Speaker 3: So, yes, yes, I did see that, but I also

471
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Speaker 3: saw you had to throw it a friarmooth that was

472
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Speaker 3: outstanding deep ball. The pickings that went for a touchdown.

473
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Speaker 3: A nice job by George adjusting to that. But you're right,

474
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Speaker 3: I mean, so what happens here sometimes is the play

475
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Speaker 3: gets disrupted and the rhythm of the play gets disrupted

476
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Speaker 3: because you know, look, if you're a defensive player, you

477
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Speaker 3: want to stand out too. You know, you want to

478
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Speaker 3: just let the quarterback go back, go back there and throw.

479
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 3: You want to you want to let the coach know, hey,

480
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Speaker 3: look see what I can do. It's just it's it's

481
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Speaker 3: part of the competitive nature of what you're going to

482
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Speaker 3: see in practices.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I always struggle with as well,

484
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Speaker 1: especially when you got your team working against your team.

485
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Speaker 1: And it's something I always saw when, you know, when

486
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Speaker 1: I was coaching basketball and things of that natures. How

487
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Speaker 1: much do they know what the play is? How much

488
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Speaker 1: the defense? All right, we see and you run out

489
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Speaker 1: of this formation right forty times in the all off season,

490
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Speaker 1: and this is what you do. So I'm gonna jump

491
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Speaker 1: this play, yes, and I'm gonna make a play here,

492
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Speaker 1: and you see it when we're trying to work on

493
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Speaker 1: your offense when you're coaching, you're coaching youth basketball, and like, guys,

494
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Speaker 1: I know, you know what the play, what play we're

495
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Speaker 1: running here. Let us make the passes that we need

496
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Speaker 1: to make here so we can run the darn play. Like,

497
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Speaker 1: don't jump into the passing lane every time, because that

498
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Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't help us.

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Speaker 3: Now mentally, I'm going in reverse now because that's exactly

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Speaker 3: what would happen over the course of a season in

501
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Speaker 3: my experience playing again Division II football, folks. I'm not

502
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Speaker 3: trying to make the same comparison to what's going on

503
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Speaker 3: out here, but that's what would happen. At the beginning

504
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Speaker 3: of the season. Guys are running open, you're doing seven

505
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Speaker 3: on seven drills, like, oh, we got this diseasey. After

506
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: a while, you look out there and you're running the

507
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Speaker 3: same plays you've been running all year. Now guys are

508
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Speaker 3: cheating and you know, uh, nobody's open anymore, and yeah

509
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Speaker 3: it's the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You start telling your receivers give them the head fake

511
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Speaker 1: here and then go deep. We're gonna get souse. You

512
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Speaker 1: can be careful with that you need to be careful.

513
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Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, teams have option routes and things

514
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: are more sophisticated, and there there are ways to you know,

515
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Speaker 3: you're running a seam route and now somebody's like, oh,

516
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: I've seen that seam route before. Well, now you're bending

517
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Speaker 3: it off that seam route, so you're jumping that. You're

518
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Speaker 3: making yourself look bad. But yeah, you have to be

519
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Speaker 3: disciplined on both sides. And again the complexities here the

520
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Speaker 3: ability to you know, for guys to adjust what they're

521
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Speaker 3: doing out there offensively. You don't want to be the

522
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Speaker 3: guy that jumps that defensively and hey, what were you

523
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Speaker 3: doing there?

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Speaker 4: That wasn't part of it what we called defensively.

525
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to get cause that that's

526
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Speaker 3: there's some Yes, you want to do that, you want

527
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Speaker 3: to make a play, you want to get noticed. But

528
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Speaker 3: there's some there's some sloppiness there that the coaches aren't

529
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Speaker 3: gonna don't freelance. I'm not gonna want to see that

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Speaker 3: seeping through. Absolutely, let's get to a break. He is

531
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Speaker 3: Rob King, I'm Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio

533
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Speaker 1: and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We are live from Steelers training

534
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Speaker 1: camp here at Saint Vincent College. Will be here into

535
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Speaker 1: three o'clock today. We'll be back with more right after this.

536
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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

538
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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Normally this would be the Drive with Dale Lolly and

540
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Speaker 1: Matt Williams, and Matt is on he's off taking a

541
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Speaker 1: yet another vacation. This guy does to vacations. I've got Rob,

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Speaker 1: Rob King is with me here today. And Rob is

543
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Speaker 1: supposed to be Rob is with Matt and I during

544
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Speaker 1: the weekdays, every every day here at training camp throughout

545
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Speaker 1: the process here. So we're happy to have Rob here

546
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Speaker 1: with us today. And and Matt begged off because it's

547
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Speaker 1: his daughter's sixteenth birthday. I get it. Good for him,

548
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Speaker 1: actually missed me.

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Speaker 4: Good for her.

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Speaker 1: I missed my daughter's sixteenth birthday because I had to

551
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Speaker 1: cover I was I was still working at DK Pittsburgh Sports.

552
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Speaker 1: I got I got asked to go cover a pirate's

553
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Speaker 1: series in Washington that weekend instead. What year was that,

554
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Speaker 1: Let's see, she's eighteen now, so three years ago.

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Speaker 4: Uh, that's too bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you get it. You miss things when you

557
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Speaker 1: work in this business. That's just how it kind of works.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's part of the process of when

559
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: you work in sports because things happen at night and

560
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Speaker 1: on the weekends, and so you you kind of get

561
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Speaker 1: used to that. Uh. But we're here the Steelers practicing

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Speaker 1: this morning here at the Saint Vincent College, and we

563
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Speaker 1: did get to see the seven shots, the defense winning

564
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Speaker 1: the seven shots four to three, and you know, it

565
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Speaker 1: was a yet another spirited session with that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin does a great job of setting these guys

567
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Speaker 1: up in competition periods like that where it's it's it's there,

568
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Speaker 1: they really are competing against one unit against the other.

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Speaker 1: And oftentimes he'll make he'll put something on the line,

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Speaker 1: like a better lunch, sure, things of that nature, just

571
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Speaker 1: for a little more bragging rights. But if you if

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Speaker 1: you look at the the way it went down, justin

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Speaker 1: Fields threw incomplete to UH to UH pat Friarmouth on

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Speaker 1: the first attempt. The second attempt UH Fields through pass

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Speaker 1: to UH again to Friarmuth. So two targets for Friarmouth

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Speaker 1: in that UH. In that first, Uh, seven shots, and

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Speaker 1: I like to see that. That's that's one thing I

578
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Speaker 1: want to see. I want to see Farmouth utilized in

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Speaker 1: the red zone.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't the first one touchdown. I thought to Jefferson

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Speaker 3: in the corner.

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Speaker 1: No, that was the third one. That was a third one.

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Speaker 1: That was a nice throw to the back pylon. Justin

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Speaker 1: Jefferson beats Joey Porter Jr. And that one to the

586
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Speaker 1: back corner and uh, uh Fields laid it in there perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Then they came back to wasn't the same play, but

588
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Speaker 1: they came back to the same throw and and he

589
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Speaker 1: overthrew Jefferson in the back corner. Uh, with beaning Beanie

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Speaker 1: Wells in coverage. Uh. And then Allen comes in touchdown, touchdown,

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Speaker 1: and that made it for three or three to three,

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Speaker 1: and they brought Fields back out and that was when TJ.

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Speaker 1: Want tipped the ball at the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 1: Calvin Austin.

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Speaker 4: Could have had a chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a chance at it.

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Speaker 3: But the hardest catch there is is a ball that's deflected.

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Speaker 3: Although there was a little bit of a time to

599
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Speaker 3: adjust to that one because that kind of hung in

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Speaker 3: the care for a little bit. But that is the hardest.

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Speaker 3: If you've ever been a receiver a deflected ball, it's

602
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Speaker 3: just just you're hands in one place to balls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're looking to hear that's all all you know.

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Speaker 1: When people call something a drop by a receiver. If

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Speaker 1: the balls tipped at the line of scrimmage and you're

606
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Speaker 1: you're on the run and you see the ball come out,

607
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: so you're you're you're in your mind, you're visualizing where

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Speaker 1: the ball is going to be, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: now the ball is tipped and so it flutters. Now

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Speaker 1: it's behind you. That's such a hard play to make,

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 3: It's very hard, especially when it's just barely deflected. If

613
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: it's just so the velocity isn't affected too much, but

614
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Speaker 3: the trajectory is just arse on wabble, just a little bit,

615
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Speaker 3: just enough so it goes from your hands to like

616
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Speaker 3: below your wrist, and then it hits you and it

617
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: looks like you dropped it. But yeah, those are those

618
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: are tough ones. It was fun to see. And then

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin was asked after practice, you know, why did

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Speaker 3: you go back to your ones? He said, well, got

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Speaker 3: the ones decided, Yeah, because there's something on the line.

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Speaker 4: I think it was.

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Speaker 3: I think it was lunch, some kind of lunch special

624
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Speaker 3: was on the line as far as uh as far

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Speaker 3: as who won or lost. So you better get the

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Speaker 3: ones out there to decide.

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Speaker 1: It, absolutely, I mean, that's that's those are your bread

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Speaker 1: and butter guys. You gotta make sure who you're deciding

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Speaker 1: who gets the bread and butter and who gets the lobster.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's exactly right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But he does a great job with that throughout camping,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the fun things. Like Tuesday, I

633
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Speaker 1: can't wait to see backs on backers Tuesday, I can't

634
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Speaker 1: wait to see the blocking drills with with the line

635
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Speaker 1: drills one on ones like now when that when when

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Speaker 1: they go to seven on sevens right now, now you

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Speaker 1: see the linemen go over and then they'll work on

638
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Speaker 1: some of their techniques in the one on one blocking drills.

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Speaker 1: But they don't have pads on. When they put the

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Speaker 1: pads on, I don't watch seven on sevens at all anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm going over to watch the big guys go against

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Speaker 1: the big guys, yeah, because that's more football.

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Speaker 3: Like it is, I mean, and it is fun and

644
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Speaker 3: it is it gives you a glimpse of what to expect.

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Speaker 3: You know. The other thing too, is that as we know,

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Speaker 3: you know, there are guys that look great at this

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Speaker 3: part of camp. Then you put in the pads, and

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Speaker 3: there are guys that great when they first put on

649
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Speaker 3: the pads, and then they just run out of gas

650
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: and their body gets broken down. And you realize how much,

651
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Speaker 3: you know, what we were talking about earlier, how much endurance

652
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: is a part of this metal and physical endurance to

653
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: get through six weeks oh yeah. And then by the way,

654
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: then the season starts, you know, and to be able

655
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Speaker 3: to get through that and get through that physical aspect

656
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Speaker 3: of it. But I am fascinated because you know, they're

657
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: people are already making their fifty three man.

658
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: Roster project way too early for that.

659
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: Understand that it's fun, of course, yeah, it's fun. Put

660
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: it out there.

661
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: I'll read it.

662
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: I think it's great. I think it's great fun. But man,

663
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: oh man, they have got right now as we stand now,

664
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: look for some wood to knock on it.

665
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: Right there? Got it? That was my head.

666
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 3: They had enviable depth on the old line. I mean,

667
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: they you look at these projections, I'm like, whoa man,

668
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a good football player.

669
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: Right now as it stands out.

670
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: You can obviously injuries, That's why knocked on wood injuries.

671
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: You can make a trade maybe from a position of strength,

672
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 3: but it is And then you throw in you know,

673
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Foutano right as a as a rookie first round pick,

674
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: you're throwing Frasier, You're throwing McCormick, three rookies, Spencer Anderson.

675
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: What's he going to do?

676
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: I mean, there is a lot, a lot to be

677
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: interested about with this offensive line.

678
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: For me, oh no, no doubt. And that's one of

679
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: the things, you know, Matt and I have talked about it.

680
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 1: You know, if you're looking to acquire a wide receiver

681
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: as an example, and you know, maybe a team doesn't

682
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: necessarily they'll like a draft pick next year, but maybe

683
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: they are. There are a team, say the Washington Commanders,

684
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: who are pretty bad up front on the offensive line,

685
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: could they use an extra offensive a lineman? Absolutely, you know,

686
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: and the pick okay, and you know, maybe that lessons

687
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: the pick that you give up because you're you're dealing

688
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: from a position of strength and you're you're you know,

689
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe you you know, I'm not Terry McLaurin is probably

690
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: not something. But they get Jahn Dotson, who they just

691
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: drafted a couple of years ago, that you know, maybe

692
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: they they're they're willing. They didn't the regime that Sarah

693
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: now didn't draft him in the first round, right, maybe

694
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: they're willing to make a move like that.

695
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: Well, I think the other thing too, is and I agree,

696
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: and I think it is or you or you carry ten,

697
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: or you hope one can get through on the practice

698
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: squad for you and you don't lose him for nothing.

699
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that general managers constantly

700
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: have to balance. And I think we see that, you know,

701
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 3: sometimes we see that in baseball, like a team will

702
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: ring its hands, boy, we really don't want to, you know,

703
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: designate this guy for assignment. And sometimes they're right. Sometimes

704
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: the guy gets picked up in three seconds. Oh he

705
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: designated from assignment. We're claiming them. Sometimes the guy sails through,

706
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: and you can do it multiple times, but you're always

707
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, you're there's a reason that guys are on

708
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: your team. It's because you selected them, because your scouts

709
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: have believed in them, and now you believe in them,

710
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: and your coaches hopefully have coached them up and they

711
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: believe in them, and so you get, you know, you

712
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: get a little bit nervous about maybe losing some of

713
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: these guys if you try to put them on a

714
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: practice squad. But you know, the offensive line, to me

715
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: is extremely intriguing, but the defensive line is no less

716
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: so Dale. I mean, you know we're talking about you know,

717
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: you're talking to you bringing a veteran like Lowry who's

718
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: still not practicing yet, but you know, to Marvin Leale

719
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: and Isaiah Laudermilk, I mean, it feels like some of

720
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: these guys, these are big.

721
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: Years for these guys nout.

722
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I can't wait to see Cam Heyward bounce back.

723
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: I think Cam Hayward is going to be very.

724
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: We talked yesterday about we talked yesterday about Russell Wilson

725
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: having a chip on his shoulder. Yes, Cam Hayward has

726
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder.

727
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: I think so. And I think that's a good chip

728
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: to have.

729
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: And you hear Omar Cohn saying yesterday that we envisioned

730
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: him being here for a long time like this is.

731
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: They don't think he's out a juice.

732
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: We think he still has has you know, several good

733
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: years left, and we don't we'd like those to be here, right.

734
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, a guy like Cam can make

735
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: such a huge difference on this offensive line and and

736
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: and our defensive line. And we're also, by the way,

737
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: projecting that Keanu Benton is going to continue on.

738
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: Right.

739
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: So I think a lot a lot of observers think

740
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: Keanu Benton is going to be a star player in

741
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: the NFL.

742
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: And it's it's really exciting prospect.

743
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: Well, you got to make that year too, jump a

744
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: little too, So everybody's got there's always a reason for

745
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: a guy to get out there and room for a

746
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: guy to emerge out of nowhere, whether that is you know,

747
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: maybe to Jonathan Marshall who's coming in here, he could

748
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: do something for you. Maybe it's Logan Lee who he

749
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: took later in the draft, who really flashes. It's so

750
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: it's such an exciting time of year. And I do

751
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: think we talked about this a little yesterday, Dale. I

752
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: think there are gonna be some good football players. They

753
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: have a bunch of guys who are you know, have

754
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: some some veteran trades at the running back position, they've

755
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: been around the league. Same thing with the wide receiver position.

756
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: Probably a six or seventh wide receiver is going to

757
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: be a guy who's got and that when I say

758
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: six or seventh receiver, that means you're cut right. It's

759
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: going to be a guy who has eighty five career receptions.

760
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: You know, there are a lot of guys like that

761
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: on this roster.

762
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: When and I think a lot of times as well,

763
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Rob that oftentimes fans seem to give up on a

764
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: player if he doesn't come in and hit right away.

765
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: You mentioned Leal, I've already Lel's a bust. He's played

766
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: two seasons in the league. You know, oftentimes it take

767
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: a guy two or three years, especially a guy who

768
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: was twenty when he came in, right you know that,

769
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the expectation was for him that first

770
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: year wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna give you much. And

771
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: the second year is okay, let's see what happens here.

772
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: That third year is maybe the light comes on for him.

773
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of times people make their

774
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: minds up on a player way too early based on

775
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: what they saw when he's twenty years old as opposed

776
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: to when he's twenty three.

777
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 4: I think, especially when they're young like that. Especially.

778
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: We were talking about this yesterday when we were finished

779
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: with the show, still gabbing about football as we walked out,

780
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: as we always do, right, you know, but because it's football,

781
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: it's they were walking up and we're getting ready to

782
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: we're getting ready to get in our cars, and we're

783
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: talking about you.

784
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: Know, the the uh.

785
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: All the the changes in football with the nil and

786
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: all that other stuff. Well, there's a prime example of

787
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: a guy who probably stays in school, yeah right, it

788
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: probably gets guaranteed third round money to stay in school.

789
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: And then what happens if he gets two more years

790
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: of every down reps and playing in college and now maybe.

791
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: Maybe building his man's strength a little bit, right, you know.

792
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: Right, and so now maybe you know, he might be

793
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: a rookie this year.

794
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: Right, you know.

795
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were guys that there were guys who came

796
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: out in this year's draft who are older than him.

797
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: Right, you know.

798
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: For example, Peyton Wilson was in the same recruiting class

799
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: at North Carolina State as the defensive alignment for the

800
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. McNeil or Alan McNeil, Yeah, yeah, they

801
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: were in the same recruiting class together at the NC State.

802
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: But McNeil was in his third year in the L

803
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? I mean, but that's this is what

804
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: COVID did to everything.

805
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: That's right.

806
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: But you know, being able to red shirt and COVID

807
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: and then you know, getting a fifth or even a

808
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: sixth year in some of these cases, this is what happens.

809
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: Right.

810
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: So, yes, everybody develops, I mean, they're human beings. And

811
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: whereas there are some truisms how you're going to develop

812
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: from a year one to year two, that's the expected

813
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: big jump. It's not the always big jump for a

814
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: variety of different reasons.

815
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: Like you just, opportunity means so much too, absolutely right.

816
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and so when did Troy Polamala

817
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: become Troy Polamala? What wasn't his first year?

818
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: If you think about cam Hayward's career trajectory, this is

819
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: this is the perfect example that Cam Hayward in his

820
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: first people were calling him a bus He had eleven

821
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: tackles his first year, he had twenty tackles his second year.

822
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't until year three and twenty thirteen he has

823
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: fifty nine tackles in five sacks. Right, because he was

824
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: blocked by some guys ahead of him. They had good

825
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: players ahead of him, right, he just wasn't. They took

826
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: him as a pick for down the road and now

827
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, you look at it. Can you imagine saying

828
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: at any point during his career, well, Cam Hayward's a bust,

829
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: right because it just it took him three years to

830
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: finally get it right.

831
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: Not everybody, you know, TJ. White, what started out good

832
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: and became great?

833
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: Right?

834
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that isn't like I think your example as good.

835
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: So everybody's got a very good amoument with Cam Heyward.

836
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: Everybody's got a little bit of a different trajectory and

837
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: for different reasons. Maybe Cam is blocked. Maybe Demarvin Leale

838
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: just needs to get a little bit older and a

839
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: little bit you know, more ballast or whatever you want

840
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: to say. You know, maybe another player needs to be

841
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: more mature, Maybe another player needs a change of scenery, you.

842
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: Know, help to them.

843
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're you know, you're a young player

844
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: and you're being told from a very early age how

845
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: exceptional you are, and you believe it, and you get

846
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: to the NFL and maybe you haven't. Maybe you need

847
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: to get knocked on your wallet before you realize, well,

848
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: wait a minute, now, wait, what was coach saying about

849
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: that footwork that I was not paying that? Maybe I

850
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: ought to start taking that into account, you know, because

851
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: I just got cut. So there's so many different ways

852
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: that guys can mature and get to where you want

853
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: to be, but there are I just think that for

854
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: a roster again, that feels like there's not a ton

855
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: of room for for guys to emerge from nowhere. If

856
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 3: you're good enough, and if you can emerge from nowhere,

857
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: or if you're the guy who slides in, somebody else

858
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: takes that takes advantage of that situation. There's still plenty

859
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: enough storylines in this game.

860
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: You I had that exact conversation. I did a piece

861
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: for Steelers dot Com last year on Montrevius Adams. Montrevious

862
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: Adams was a five star recruited Auburn, and he's coaching staff.

863
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: There's always preaching hand placement and all that stuff. He

864
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't need to worry about it because he was the

865
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: best guy at his position, you know, regardless, and so

866
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: early in his career in the NFL, he was a

867
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: third round draft pick, much like the Marvin Leal so

868
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: you've got a five stars. It was a third round

869
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: draft pick, bounces around to a couple of different practice squads,

870
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: he's on and off rosters, comes here and he starts

871
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: to learn some of that hand placement and things of

872
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: that nature. He starts paying attention to it, and he's

873
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: become a pretty decent play player for him. Yeah, he

874
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: has him, you know, and and you know, but you're right,

875
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: it takes so it came some time to realize that,

876
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, those guys knew what they were talking about.

877
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: I got by on my pure athleticism for so many

878
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: years because I was, you know, bigger, stronger, faster than

879
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: the guy across from me. And you get to the

880
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 1: NFL and that's not the case, right.

881
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all big, strong, no doubt about it, and

882
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: they've all been the best or yeah, you know, we

883
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: were talking about that yesterday with work ethic. You know,

884
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: you can obviously, even within the NFL, there are degrees

885
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: of athleticism, but let's face it, there's a baseline with

886
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: which I don't care how hard you try and how

887
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: much you work at it, You're not going to the

888
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: average athlete, or even the good athlete is not going

889
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: to reach that they don't have.

890
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Well, I got there and try my butt off, it

891
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not going to matter.

892
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: That's right.

893
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: And you can be and you can be a good athlete,

894
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: but you need to be more than that to get

895
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: to this level. But then even at this level, there

896
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: are guys who are you know, there are guys who

897
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 3: are fifth receivers, and there are guys who are superstars.

898
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: And usually that's ability, but sometimes it's other things too,

899
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: And usually you can't get to be, you know, the

900
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: level of the superstar great player unless you were also

901
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: putting in an absolute ton of work and attention to detail.

902
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Antonio Brown is the perfect example of that.

903
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: When when he was here, you know, a guy who

904
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: was a six round draft pick, a guy who you know,

905
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: was that fifth or sixth receiver his his rookie year

906
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: and and you know, Mike tom Wan went throughout the

907
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: two Dogs one Bone thing with him and Emmanuel Sanders,

908
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: and Emmanuel Sanders their rookie year was the better player.

909
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: But two years later, Emmanuel Sanders was not still the

910
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: better player because nobody worked harder than Antonio Brown at

911
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: that and you know, there were oftentimes you know, I

912
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: can remember talking with coaches. They were worried he was

913
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: working too hard and they had to, you know, maybe

914
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: pull him back a little bit because he was, you know,

915
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna burn himself out. He's gonna burn himself out,

916
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: and you know, but he knew what, he knew where

917
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: he wanted to go, he knew how he and he

918
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: knew how to get there. And it was the hard work.

919
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: And that that I think that work ethic is one

920
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: of the big reasons why he got a little bit

921
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: longer leash than maybe somebody else would have gotten because

922
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: they saw that, they saw how much work he put

923
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: into him. Yeah, right, I mean it meant a lot

924
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: to him, you know, Troy Paul Amalu. You know, I

925
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: can remember standing out here in these fields waiting waiting

926
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: to talk to Troy after it was during his second

927
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: season or his second training camp, and just waiting and

928
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: waiting and waiting till it's just he's out there working

929
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: by himself. And I'm standing over on the side of

930
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: here by myself, waiting to talk to Troy because it

931
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: was an hour after practice. He was still out there

932
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: working by himself. Everybody else has been gone for half

933
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: an hour and he's still out there working.

934
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and what a great player.

935
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: Man.

936
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: That's it, and that surprises absolutely nobody who's ever had

937
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 3: any interaction.

938
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: But that's the I can remember having the conversation with

939
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: Darius Hayward Bay and he said, look, a lot of

940
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: guys have the talent to get to the NFL, but

941
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: the question is what are you willing to do when

942
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: nobody's watching. He said, it's real easy to get out

943
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: here on the practice field and do what you're supposed

944
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: to do and those kind of things, he said, but

945
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: it's not so easy in the off season when it's

946
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: April and you're off on your own and you're like, oh, man,

947
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: I just don't feel it today right to still get

948
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: up and do that three hour workout or whatever it

949
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: is that you're that you're doing. He said, that's when

950
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: you separate yourself from from the other people.

951
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's so true.

952
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 3: And the other thing that we're seeing is opportunity. And look,

953
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: opportunity comes if you're a first round pick. Again, we talked,

954
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: you're gonna get more chances, right because teams took you

955
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: as a first round and sometimes you think with some

956
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: organizations and some sports it might be, well, we're just

957
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: going to kind of cover our butts a little bit

958
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: and let's give this guy an opportunity.

959
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: We don't want to look bad.

960
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: But I also think, you know, the larger factor is

961
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: you took a guy in the first round because you

962
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: believed in it, because you.

963
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Believe there's talent, there's ability.

964
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're waiting for it to be manifested, but there's

965
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: also you know, there's opportunity, and that's what makes you know.

966
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: It is a meritocracy. So I think it's great when,

967
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: for example, you get like a Beatie Bishop, How how

968
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: crazy is that that he was undrafted and almost from

969
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: the moment he signed a contract, people were talking about

970
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: this guy could be the slot corner. Well, why wasn't

971
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: he drafted?

972
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Then let's just just a different position. A. This was

973
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: a really deep corner draft. B. At the end of

974
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: the day, he's still going to be five foot eight,

975
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: and so guys who are that Mike Hilton another example

976
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: that you know, you don't necessarily draft those guys, but

977
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: you can get him, and it doesn't mean they don't

978
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: have talent, right, but it's it's it's a little different,

979
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: it's a little harder when you're that size. Well, you know,

980
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: if you're Muggsy Bogues in the NBA, you're five foot three,

981
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: you got to work all that much harder to make

982
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: to work against that six foot one point guard that

983
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: you're working against.

984
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: But when I filled in, I don't think it was

985
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: last week for Matt Was that Monday?

986
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: Or was that last that was this week? It was

987
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: Monday Dale.

988
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: It's been a blur the last ten days or so.

989
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: It's been a blur. So we did an exercise for

990
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: the fans that didn't listen about, uh, the if you

991
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: could redraft last year's where would everybody be selected?

992
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 4: And we both agreed that it would be better to

993
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 4: do that a couple of years from now.

994
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if Beanie Bishop, so, you're not going to

995
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: do that and let's redraft the seventh round, right, Nobody's

996
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: gonna ever do that. It's always the first round. I mean,

997
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: that's it's the most fun of the player. You know,

998
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: fans are most familiar with those players, that sort of thing.

999
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: And sometimes you'll see somebody taken not taken in the

1000
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: first round. Count O Betten, I believe was a first

1001
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: round guy in.

1002
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: That and that when that exercise, he was a second

1003
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: mid second round pick.

1004
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 4: In real life.

1005
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if Beanie Bishop winds up being a starting

1006
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: slot guy, Weshila will lose his mind and yes, and

1007
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: anything nearly as productive as he was when he was

1008
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: at West Virginia. Then if you redid that draft, would

1009
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: he go in the first round?

1010
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: Maybe not? Would he go in the fourth round?

1011
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you he would, right, So that's a

1012
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: that's fun too, and it's it's gonna be you know.

1013
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: That's Beanie Bishop and Calvin Austin have been you know

1014
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: again because you see and those are two guys in

1015
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: camp that I think.

1016
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 4: Are extremely, extremely intriguing.

1017
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: If I was gonna circle, well, there's so many of them,

1018
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: and we talked about some of the guys in the

1019
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: defensive line and the offensive line. But when I think

1020
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: a corner in slot, you have Josiah Scott right now,

1021
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: and you have Beanie Bishop sort of competing for that spot.

1022
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 3: But Calvin Austin, you know, coming off really really looking

1023
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: good in those OTAs. He's looked pretty darn good here.

1024
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: We talked about that deflective ball he didn't come down with,

1025
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: but he's looked really good here I think in two

1026
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: days in again without the pads on, but he and

1027
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 3: Beanie Bishop going at it. That's a that's fun stuff

1028
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: to watch two guys that aren't you know, they're they're

1029
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: not they're not stepping on the scale at six one,

1030
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: two ten, but they are competing and it's really really

1031
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: fun to watch.

1032
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: And I think some of that size stuff has begun

1033
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: to kind of be You see the Devin of Chans

1034
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: now come into the league and and you know ten

1035
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: years ago you looked at me, well, he's a specialty player, right,

1036
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, some of those guys. I think some of

1037
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: those stigmas with some of the smaller players starting to

1038
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: go away now because the NFL is more about spacing

1039
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: and being able to play in space.

1040
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: I love the way the game, and sometimes it's legislation

1041
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: to the game, but the way the game evolves and

1042
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: the way the type of players that can play the

1043
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: game evolves.

1044
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: I mean, you can go back to tu platoon football,

1045
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: but I mean, let's.

1046
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: Go back that far, because people like you know, they

1047
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 3: look at the back of a football card from the

1048
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties. Yeah, none of these guys, we're three hundred pounds,

1049
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: Well they were playing sixty minutes.

1050
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of hard to be.

1051
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: They may have started the game at three pounds they finished.

1052
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right.

1053
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: But you know, and you go back to like mel Blunt,

1054
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: and I remember ed Bouchette telling me that, you know,

1055
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: Mel Blunt would come into the locker room years ago

1056
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: after his playing career is over, and.

1057
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 4: Jaws would drop. They'd say that guy was a corner.

1058
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: A corner, I mean, he's just a big, big man.

1059
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: Well, they changed the rules because of it, and then

1060
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: we see, you know, we see you know, different eras

1061
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 3: in which teams want to smash the ball down your throat.

1062
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: So let's get big, heavy offensive linemen. Let's get big linebackers,

1063
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: because I think that's another thing. Yes, I do believe

1064
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: that in the passing game, uh, the manifestation of the

1065
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 3: smaller guy because there's more space out there to work.

1066
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 3: But think about the linebacker. I mean, now you're you're

1067
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: dealing with tight ends that can really run. You have

1068
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: to be big enough to take on blocks, but you

1069
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: better be able to cover and you better be able

1070
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: to run, which is why I think it's also fun.

1071
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 3: One of the things that's fun is okay. So let's

1072
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: say you're a team out there and you're thinking, boy,

1073
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: we need some of these rangey, you know, hey, six

1074
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: four to thirty type of linebackers because they got to

1075
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: be able to run. Okay, Well, let's say come play

1076
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: the Steelers, and the Steelers are running three tight ends

1077
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: out there, and they've got Nagy and they've got maybe

1078
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: Hayward lined up as a full back, and they're like, okay,

1079
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Speaker 3: you want to be you want to be a light linebacker.

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Speaker 4: Try this on for thirty.

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Speaker 3: Five running plays a game and then tackle on Najia

1082
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: on the back end of that or Jalen Warren. So

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Speaker 3: I just think it's it's fascinating to see and and

1084
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: we're seeing we're seeing mostly the lighter, faster guys, but

1085
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: occasionally you're run into a team like the Ravens who say, okay,

1086
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're you gonna do that. Here comes at Ricard,

1087
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: a two hundred and ninety pound full back coming at

1088
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: you with a with a big running back. You know

1089
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: that Derek Henry coming this year behind him. So it's

1090
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: always fascinating to me to see the different sizes. And

1091
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: you go back to ab you know, when he was emerging,

1092
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: there were a lot of people thinking, yeah, but is

1093
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: he really a number one? You have to be six '

1094
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: four yea and be able to catch that fade pattern

1095
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: in the corner of the end zone in the red

1096
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: zone to really truly be in number one.

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00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 4: Well, guess what. He was really truly a number one

1098
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 4: without being that prototypical size guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know, there are ways to work

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Speaker 1: around some of those size.

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00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: Speed. Greatness has greatness helps, Yeah, certainly does. That's a

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00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: good place to start.

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Speaker 1: That's a good place to Yeah. Yeah. If you got

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00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: that as your calling cards, you'll be Okay, let's get

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Speaker 1: to a break. Rob. He is Rob King, I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive and we are live from Steelers

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00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: training camp here at Saint Vincent College. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with more right after this. Hey, Steeler fans, you can

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1114
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Speaker 1: believe they have one back here behind us, here near

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Speaker 1: the entrance to campus where the fans come in at

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Speaker 1: You can also buy some Steelers gear there. Rob king

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Speaker 1: here with me today, I'm Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

1121
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: off celebrating the birth of his daughter some sixteen years

1122
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: ago and still celebrating that. What do you stop celebrating birth?

1123
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: Do you still celebrate your birthday?

1124
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: Rob?

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00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: No, No, I've stopped. No, you know what I have

1126
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 3: to say. Look, man, it's the day you came onto

1127
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: this world, into this world. Got to you gotta celebrate

1128
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: it a little bit. You can even got to walk

1129
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 3: around the smilinder.

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00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: See here's what I think happened.

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00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: Right.

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00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So sixteen big deal? Thirteen big deal? You're you're teenagers, Okay,

1133
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen is a big dealen eighteen you can vote

1134
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: in twenty one. Twenty one is still a big deal.

1135
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 4: Thirty is a big deal, forty is a big deal,

1136
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 4: fifty is a big deal.

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00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: Sixties see to me like anything from thirty up, I'm like,

1138
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm not really celebrating because now that's my passing youth

1139
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: is it's gone and I haven't seen thirty and twenty

1140
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: five years.

1141
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: Well, I always think this dale I'm getting older. While

1142
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: it can be difficult.

1143
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: Is getting wiser better.

1144
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: Than the alternative that is true, which is not getting older?

1145
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 4: Yes?

1146
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: So yes, so sign me up for getting older for many, many,

1147
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: many more years.

1148
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Time knocking on my head again, second time this show,

1149
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: I've ended knock on wood.

1150
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: So congratulations.

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00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for her. Yeah. So Tamar Jackson, this is

1152
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: getting to be a little something here. He missed practice

1153
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: again today with an illness. This has been like a

1154
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: week long thing now with Lamar Jackson missing Ravens practices

1155
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: with an illness.

1156
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1157
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: I thought maybe you were going to say, because he's

1158
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 3: still battling about the number eight or something in the Troy.

1159
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 4: But I didn't really pay any attention to that story.

1160
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't either.

1161
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: That one didn't. That didn't.

1162
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: That one did not pique my interest. So do they

1163
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: have they said what it might be.

1164
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: They're just saying it's an illness. He practiced a little

1165
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: bit on Wednesday, didn't look great. They shut him down

1166
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: and he wasn't there again today and again this has

1167
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: been a week long thing. Ye.

1168
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Speaker 3: I mean that is a team that I mean with Lamar,

1169
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: we know how dangerous they are without him.

1170
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Especially this year. They don't have a backup that is

1171
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: anything like Lamar, right at least at least when they

1172
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: had Tyler Huntley, they could still play a similar style

1173
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: of offense, even though Huntley wasn't as any near where.

1174
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: Notice he's nowhere near as good as Lamar, but he

1175
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: could hurt your running and things of that nature.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: Now you're you're looking at at guys that Josh Johnson,

1178
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: uh is not gonna is not going to run with

1179
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Speaker 1: the football like Lamar Jackson.

1180
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Speaker 3: Now, Lamar's got nobody is I mean except maybe the

1181
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: guy was fields pretty good. He's got such a unique

1182
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: skill set.

1183
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: He really does. Lamar does that.

1184
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's very difficult to find somebody behind him that.

1185
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: That you replicate that, right, that can replicate that.

1186
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: And when you think about, you know, think about what

1187
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: they did, and I don't ever remember really anything close

1188
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: to this drastic ever happening when they had Flacco, went

1189
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: into the bye week and came out with Lamar. I

1190
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Speaker 3: mean that is an extraordinary and without the bye week,

1191
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you could even do that.

1192
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Speaker 1: Well, they had, they had packages from Lamar before that

1193
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: had a little bit of something.

1194
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but that was an extraordinary change. To me,

1195
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you could do that without the bye week.

1196
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 3: But it just goes to show you that you have

1197
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 3: to complete change what.

1198
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 4: You're doing, which you have a player.

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Speaker 1: Like strange to me and Matt and I've talked about this.

1200
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: So the Indianapolis Colts have Anthony Richardson as their starter

1201
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: and they go to Joe Flacco as their backup this year.

1202
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: You couldn't be any different, right in terms of stylistic play, right,

1203
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: And that's just it's just it's a strange one to me.

1204
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I've always felt like there are things out there

1205
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: that you wonder about. So when I was when I

1206
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: was covering minor league hockey, it always amazed me. And

1207
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: I think teams do this more now, But you know,

1208
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: twenty five years ago, teams didn't necessarily run the same

1209
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: system in the minors that they were in, which is

1210
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: crazy league level.

1211
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, the NHL level.

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00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: So it is except for the fact that what is

1213
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: the shelf life of a coach, So do you want

1214
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: to coach these guys to play a specific style?

1215
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: I guess do you want to catch that sport?

1216
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: In particularly? Do you want to coach him to play hockey? So?

1217
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: But I do think that when an organization has stability

1218
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: and wants to play a certain way and understands that

1219
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: you have to adapt, just like we talked about with

1220
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: different sides of players and different schemes and and now

1221
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, mel Blunt's got to learn how to play different,

1222
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: which means your whole defense has to learn how to

1223
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: play different. So you're and of course you go on

1224
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: and win still win Super Bowl? Is that so the

1225
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: ability to have great players, the ability to adapt within

1226
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: a system of constancy, I think is the ideal thing

1227
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: you're looking for. And you would like to have backups

1228
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: that can come in and I would think and as

1229
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: close as possible replicate what the starter is doing. The

1230
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: flip side of that is that if you cannot find,

1231
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: if there are only X amount of players that are

1232
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: that can play that certain style, are you then making

1233
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: a decision between say a C level player who plays

1234
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: a certain style or a B level player who can

1235
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: maybe help you win games, but you'll have to adapt

1236
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: your style. So I think that, I mean, when when

1237
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: somebody is unique of a talent and can bring a

1238
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: different style like that, they're hard to come by.

1239
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: They are.

1240
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: And I've always looked at it when you know, when

1241
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm coaching, if I've got a team that's that's to

1242
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: go back to the baseball example, because that's what I

1243
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: coach now of the most. If I've got a team

1244
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: of a bunch of little, quick guys, we're not going

1245
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: to try to hit the ball over the fence, right,

1246
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a speed game.

1247
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 4: Right.

1248
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: If I've got great pitching and defense, We're going to

1249
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: play to that strength. If we if I've got guys

1250
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: that can hit the ball over the fence, okay, then

1251
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: we're not going to steal a lot of bases. We're

1252
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: gonna wait for the home run. And I just think

1253
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: oftentimes I always use Rich Rodriguez going to Michigan as

1254
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: the example. He had his system. It worked at West Virginia,

1255
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: it worked at the everywhere he had been. Then he

1256
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: goes to Michigan. Well, he's got five star recruits, he's

1257
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: got a great offensive line. He doesn't need to do

1258
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: all this trickery and stuff. And but he does it

1259
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: and they win three games.

1260
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1261
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: And what you need to be able to system, Yes,

1262
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: what you need to be able to do is adapt.

1263
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: And I can think of too just what you're talking.

1264
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: I thought of two examples of that. So Ben Holland

1265
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: when he came from northern Arizona to Pitt, it was

1266
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 3: all about three pointers, right, three pointers. Three pointers are

1267
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: gonna come, We're gonna shoot the lights out of it.

1268
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: In the big big East, you're not gonna You're not

1269
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: gonna do that and win. And so now you completely

1270
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 3: change what you're doing because you're a good enough coach.

1271
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: And on the football level, Urban Meyer did that. I

1272
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: mean Urban Meyer at Utah. Uh, you know, I was

1273
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: out there covering the Fiesta.

1274
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: Bowl and it was, you know, and a election and

1275
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: all and.

1276
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: All this, you know, different motions. And Alex Smith's the

1277
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: quarterback and he's doing this and he's doing that, and

1278
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: he gets to Florida and uh, you're going against you know,

1279
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: uh Tennessee's defense in Alabama's defense, and those guys can run. Now,

1280
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: they're gonna run a lot quicker than they do out

1281
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: in the out West.

1282
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: And all by the way, you've also got the Marquise

1283
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: Pouncey's and the Max Starks and guys like that on

1284
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: your office line. Who are five star recruits?

1285
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 4: Right?

1286
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: And so and to his credit, urban Meyer changed what

1287
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: he did. And uh, I hope my wife at Tennessee

1288
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: Grad is not listening to credit the Florida coach for

1289
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 3: adjusting his style.

1290
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 4: And learning how to win playing a different stall.

1291
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,479
Speaker 1: Well, and it's what Mike Tomlin talks about all the time.

1292
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: And people, when you have red painter painting paint red,

1293
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: if you've got green painter painted green, right, you know

1294
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: that's that's that's just a different way of saying you

1295
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: adjust what you're doing to the talent that you have.

1296
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: And so I think that you know, the Steelers are

1297
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: in the process of doing that now with their offense

1298
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: in particular.

1299
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: Well and and yes, and and just to go back

1300
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: and I'd love to talk about that more, but just

1301
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: to go back to the quarterback position. You know, there

1302
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: are only so many really good ones. And so what

1303
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: I do think in an ideal world, you have an

1304
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson backup who's like Anthony Richardson. You have a

1305
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson backup who's like Lamar Jackson, you might just

1306
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: count your blessings that you have a solid back up

1307
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 3: and because though it's you know, there aren't you know,

1308
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: they're thirty two teams. I'm not sure there are thirty

1309
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 3: two really good start caliber.

1310
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: I think sixty nine different quarterbacks started in the league

1311
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: last right, that's right, and you know there are not

1312
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: sixty nine starter quality quarterbacks in the NFL.

1313
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: There's a difference there. So yes, I totally agree. I

1314
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: totally agree. So so that that's an interesting thing to

1315
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: think about. But you're right about this offense, and you know,

1316
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what they're going to do

1317
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: and how they're going to do it. It is going

1318
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 3: to be a little different. Right now, you have five

1319
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: tight ends and the roster five.

1320
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: Five got five tight ends who have played.

1321
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: That's what I mean, you have played.

1322
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: That's the NFL, that's right.

1323
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't think all five guys are going

1324
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: to make the team.

1325
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 4: I think four of them will.

1326
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a distinct possibility that could be.

1327
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: I think I think four tight ends are going to

1328
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: be on the team. And we were watching doing some

1329
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: seven on seven drills today, so that's the linemen are

1330
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: out and you're running your receivers and that look against

1331
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 3: against the other team. So, uh, without that or with that,

1332
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: the Steelers are the Steelers are running. You know, normally

1333
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: that's the time you might spread it out and go

1334
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 3: five wides and stuff like that. Well, look at out there.

1335
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: There's three tight ends out there.

1336
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

1337
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: Or there's three tight ends or two tight ends and

1338
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: a receiver split out wide. So it's gonna be different.

1339
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: You know, Arthur Smith likes to run the football, and

1340
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: I think Mike Tomlin likes a team that runs the football,

1341
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 3: and they've got running backs that run the football well,

1342
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: and they've invested a lot in the offensive line, and

1343
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: you got five tight ends.

1344
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: Well, and I think too, rob you can use tight

1345
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: ends to dictate to the defense who they have on

1346
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: the field, and I think that's a big part of it.

1347
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you've got if you go

1348
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: four wide, you know what you're gonna get.

1349
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: You're gonna get.

1350
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna get dime or nickel or dime more than

1351
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: likely probably dying because you've got four receivers on the field.

1352
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: If you go three tight ends on the field, you're

1353
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: probably gonna get base to some degree, you might even

1354
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: get goal line for God's sakes, right, depending on the

1355
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: down and distance situation. But if you're still if you

1356
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: still have the ability to throw out of that package,

1357
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: you still have a Connor Hayward who's who's too quick

1358
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: for most linebackers, uh, you know, and and is maybe

1359
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, too big for a lot of safeties in

1360
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: the league. Right, that can be a matchup issue. If

1361
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: you've got a Pat Fryarmouth who can be a matchup issue.

1362
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: You have a Darnell Washington who's just a monster of

1363
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: a human being. You've got some matchup issues there that

1364
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: the teams have to look at it and go, Okay,

1365
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: they've got three tight ends on the field, But how

1366
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: do we want to treat Connor Hayward? We want to

1367
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: treat him like he's a wide receiver because he catches

1368
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: the ball like a wide receiver. Or do we want

1369
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: to treat him like he's a normal tight end and

1370
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: we're going to put a linebacker on him?

1371
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 4: I agree?

1372
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: And if you have certain personnel out there, could he

1373
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: come back motion back into the backfield to be a

1374
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: lead blocker for Naji Harris? And now you're going heavy set,

1375
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: you know.

1376
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: What I mean the team stay, they stay in there,

1377
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: Nickel and you say, okay, we're gonna run it, right.

1378
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 4: I agree.

1379
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: You know we all love the spread him out and

1380
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 3: and and there's like talk about you know what recive

1381
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 3: what quarterback the last couple of years, should the Steelers

1382
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: go out and get and you know you want to

1383
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: fling the ball over the field. Well, that's never really

1384
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: been the Steelers' way. I mean there's listen, there's been

1385
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: times where they've led the league. I mean they've had

1386
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. You've been Terry Bradshaw, you

1387
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 3: bet Ben Roethlisberger. But you know, the ability to run

1388
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 3: the ball. You're in the Northeast, you're playing outside, being

1389
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: able to run the ball late in the season.

1390
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, just having that mentality, I.

1391
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 3: Agree, totally agree, totally agree that we are This is uh.

1392
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: You know, there's a book about the Cowboys Steelers rivalry

1393
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: in the seventies and a really good book in the

1394
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: book is called the Ones who Hit the Hardest Right,

1395
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: And that's what when you are building an identity of

1396
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 3: running the football and you get down to elemental football

1397
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: in the elements in November, in December and you're the

1398
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: one who hits the hardest, you're probably gonna win.

1399
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean that's often when it comes down

1400
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: to and I think I think that's been a big

1401
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: reason why the Steelers have had success even in recent

1402
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: years in the AFC North. You know, I think that

1403
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: they understand the way that football has played in this division.

1404
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: And you know, Lamar is great, but the Steelers have

1405
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: have taken the tactic that hey, we're gonna hit him, right,

1406
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: We're not gonna let him just play quarterback and and

1407
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: and you know, fake a handoff and and and you know,

1408
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: take off and run the full hes gonna if you're

1409
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna have the football and you're gonna hold it, and

1410
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, try to do all this deception.

1411
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit you. Well.

1412
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: The other thing is too, is that you have I

1413
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: was talking about this with I think it was Cherry Dulac.

1414
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 3: I've been gabbing with a lot of people along the

1415
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 3: sidelines about how you know, once it once you're you've

1416
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: established that you're running an option quarterbacks fair game. Yeah.

1417
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 3: I ran the option in high school and in college.

1418
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: Actually I tell people, I actually I didn't run the option.

1419
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 3: I lumbered the Uh, but you know, we played against

1420
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: one team in high school and uh, that's what they did,

1421
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: so you're you know, we ran a straight triple option,

1422
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 3: so that's you know, dive back and then you go

1423
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: down the line and you can keep it or you

1424
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 3: can pitch it. So that's a triple option as opposed

1425
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: to a lead option where you just go out there

1426
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 3: is no fake and you're just running to the edge

1427
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: and you can either keep.

1428
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 4: It or pitch it.

1429
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 3: Well, you'd hand it off and you know you're carrying

1430
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: out your fake, but you're you don't have the ball, right,

1431
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 3: And every once in a while somebody come up and

1432
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: kind of ghost you little but oh, oh yeah, I

1433
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: guess you don't have the ball.

1434
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 4: If you're carrying out your fake properly. Well, it's fun team.

1435
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: They just you know, and the first time you get hit,

1436
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: you're like whoa, you know, yeah, And the second time,

1437
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: because you're not you don't have the ball and you

1438
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: don't usually get hit, we don't have the ball, and

1439
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: it's a shocker, like wow, you're not ready for it.

1440
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: You're not prepared. You haven't prepared your body for the hit.

1441
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 3: And after like the second or third time that happened,

1442
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I'm gonna get hit every.

1443
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: Single You're gonna do this every time.

1444
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 3: You know, when you're playing against one hundred and eighty

1445
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 3: pound linebackers as I was at a small high school.

1446
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: That's one thing when you're playing again two hundred and

1447
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 3: forty pound linebackers with TJ.

1448
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: Watt and Alix Highsmith of the guys that are hitting

1449
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: you every single play and.

1450
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 4: You're looking around for where your teeth are afterwards, that's.

1451
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: Your helmets spun around backwards.

1452
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a little bit different deal.

1453
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: So that can't be a very pleasant experience when you

1454
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: get I can remember the the game.

1455
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: That Robert Griffin started against the Steelers down in Baltimore

1456
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and Baltimore Axley won that game.

1457
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: But every time he would he would do one of

1458
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: the playfakes and he was he was the kind of

1459
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: quarterback that you wanted is Lamar's backup. But he the

1460
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: Steelers took the same tactic against him. He used the

1461
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: same tactic and every time he carried out one of

1462
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: those fakes and he got hit, he would get up

1463
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: and be screaming at the officials like what do you do.

1464
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: Why are you not calling anything on that like your

1465
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: fair game?

1466
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1467
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, you gotta live with this, right. You

1468
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: want to run that, you want to run that offense.

1469
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna live with this, right.

1470
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1471
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 3: So and then your only complaint then is with the coach.

1472
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: Stop calling it right, your own coach, stop calling it.

1473
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm getting killed. No, And the students have always had

1474
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: great success against you know, for the most part, against

1475
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: the Cam Newton's and the Griffins and the you know,

1476
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: when a team wants to run an option, they take

1477
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 3: advantage of that by hitting the quarterback. And that's a

1478
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: long day for those guys. But it's gonna be I

1479
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 3: agree that I can't wait to see the way this

1480
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 3: offense goes. And I think there's a couple of different things,

1481
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 3: so we could argue all day long. There are a

1482
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 3: few people, I think that were in Matt Canada's camp

1483
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: even when he got dismissed last year. There were a

1484
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: plenty of others who obviously led the cry, the vocal

1485
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: cry against him to get rid of him.

1486
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 4: And it was his fault.

1487
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 3: And then you wonder, too, was there trust in the quarterback?

1488
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: A rookie quarterback to be able to come basically a

1489
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 3: rookie and a guy who didn't have a whole lot

1490
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 3: of experience in Kenny Pickett, to come to the line

1491
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, to make the proper calls, to get you

1492
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 3: out of out of bad looks, that sort of thing. Well,

1493
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: any of those conversations have to be over. Yeah, I mean,

1494
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith is a proven commodity as an offensive court.

1495
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is a proven commodity at the quarterback position.

1496
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: Any doubts that you might have like that, and we

1497
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 3: talked about that yesterday with with Matt that. I mean,

1498
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 3: they're going to at least double the amount of touchdown passes,

1499
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: aren't they. You would think from thirteen to I think

1500
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 3: what did restaurant twenty six? Yeah, that's twice as many

1501
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 3: as as the Steelers had at another quarterback position. So

1502
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: you would think that that is going to be something

1503
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: that you don't have to worry about. So you can

1504
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: run the ball. So just because you run the ball,

1505
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: and there are a lot of great things that come

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Speaker 3: with running the ball, we all love the idea that

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Speaker 3: you throw up thirty five points. And by the way,

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: there's going to come a time or two this year.

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Speaker 3: That your formula, If your formula is we're going to

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Speaker 3: run the ball, We're going to control the clock. You're

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Speaker 3: out there as a as an opposing offense, you're sitting

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01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 3: on the sideline. You're getting nancy your players. You know,

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Speaker 3: you're fifty million dollars. Quarterback hasn't touched the ball in

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: eighteen minutes of real time. He's getting nancy over there. Now,

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 3: maybe tries to force it. Now you turn them over

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01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 3: and you go on another eight minute drive. Now he's gone,

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: you know, twenty two minutes. If he's only won one play,

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01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: that gets frustrating. And that's a great way to win games.

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 3: And it rests your defense, and maybe you get a

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 3: lead and maybe now your defense can you can utilize

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Speaker 3: that speed.

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Speaker 1: Offensive lines love to run.

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Speaker 3: Right oh and now, And it's it's so funny, it's

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01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: so true. The offensive lines out there for forty minutes.

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Speaker 3: The defensive line is out there for forty minutes. Advantage

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Speaker 3: offensive line.

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Speaker 1: It's still two huge men, absolutely, you know.

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 4: Battling each other for forty minutes. But that's just the way

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01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 1: Well for offensive lineman, though, it's the difference between taking

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Speaker 1: the blow, which is past blocking, We're delivering the blow,

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Speaker 1: which is run blocking right, right, and they would much

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Speaker 1: rather be the guy who is delivering the blow as

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Speaker 1: opposed to the guy who is accepting the blow, right.

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Speaker 3: But I think that's gonna be. I think that's gonna

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: kind of be the way they're gonna want to go.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, be able to exploit mismatches and

1538
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: hopefully have the weapons to be able to exploit mismatches.

1539
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: Like maybe think more about the Steelers before the rule

1540
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 3: changes and Terry Bradchall opened it up. You had talent, right,

1541
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 3: and hopefully have enough talent. You have talent to be

1542
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 3: able to do it, but a style that dictates that

1543
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 3: that talent is unleashed it at moments as opposed to

1544
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: just a full on we're gonna spread it out and go.

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 3: But I also think that it's going to be an

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: offense that has the capability you hope to be able

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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: to win in a shootout.

1548
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 4: So hopefully you play your style most of the time.

1549
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: But if you need to, if you need to get

1550
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 3: to that shootout, you've got the horses to be able

1551
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: to do it.

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Rob that's just about gonna do it for our

1553
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 1: show today, tomorrow. This will be the weekend schedule for

1554
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and our assimble cast here on Fox

1555
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: Sports Pittsburgh. It starts at nine am to ten am

1556
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: with the Training Camp Report with Bob Labriola and Tom Opferman.

1557
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: From ten to twelve, it's in the Locker Room with

1558
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: Craig Wolfly, Max Starks and Wes Euler. From twelve to two,

1559
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: it's live from La Trope with Rob King and Wes Euler.

1560
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 4: Oh, Wes has got double duty? How about that?

1561
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: The Electric company sorta Slorida?

1562
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 4: He is he? That's four hours of Beanie Bishop viewing.

1563
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh, Zach Frasier all the time, all the time? Are

1564
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Then from two to three you get

1565
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: Training Camp Live with Mike Pursuda and Max Starks. You

1566
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: can also watch that on Steelers Video. And then finally

1567
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: from three to five, you get the sn R Drive

1568
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: with Dale Lawley, myself and Matt Williams. And Matt will

1569
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: be back. Matt will will no longer be celebrating the anniversary,

1570
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: the sixteenth anniversary of his daughter joining us here on

1571
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: this planet. He will be back here. And that's that's

1572
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: going to be the schedule here moving forward. At least

1573
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: on the weekends, and then once we get back to Monday,

1574
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: we're back to our normal weekday schedule. But been a

1575
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: lot of fun.

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 4: Kinger, thanks for making it fun man. It's always a pleasure,

1577
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 4: it really is.

1578
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: Man. I appreciate it, really appreciate you sitting in here.

1579
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: Of course you'll be joining us here again. Then starting Monday,

1580
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: you'll be here with Matt and I. But that's going

1581
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: to do it for our show today. So for my

1582
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: partner Rob King, I'm Dale Lollie. We thank you for

1583
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: Radio and Fox