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Speaker 2: So we had some significant oral arguments of the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court over whether or not Trump can fire Lisa Cook,

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Speaker 2: who is on the FED Board of Governors. We can

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Speaker 2: put actually this tear sheet up on the screen which

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Speaker 2: explains some of the backstory here. So it says the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court appears likely to allow Lisa Cook to remain

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Speaker 2: on the FED Board. The Supreme Court on Wednesday appeared

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Speaker 2: likely to block President Trump from immediately firing Democratic appointed

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Speaker 2: Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve Board. That would prevent

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Speaker 2: Trump from exerting greater influence over the powerful central bank

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Speaker 2: that guides the economy. Nearly all of the justices asked

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Speaker 2: skeptical questions of Solicitor General d John Sower during roughly

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Speaker 2: two hours of arguments, taking issue with most aspects of

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Speaker 2: the government's case that the President had met the legal

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Speaker 2: bar to remove Cook while a lawsuit challenging her removal

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Speaker 2: plays out. Such agreement, they go on to say is

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Speaker 2: rare on high profile cases at the deeply polarized court.

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Speaker 2: You guys may remember the backstory here. So the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration was alleging there was some like mortgage application issue

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Speaker 2: where she checked the wrong box and said a secondary

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Speaker 2: home was really the primary residence. Apparently on other documents

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Speaker 2: it had been accurately portrayed as the secondary residence. This

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Speaker 2: is a tactic they've used against multiple of their political adversaries.

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Speaker 2: And they said that because they found this issue with

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Speaker 2: this mortgage application, that gave them cause to be able

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Speaker 2: to fire her. Because due to way Congress set up

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Speaker 2: the FED, it says you have to have pause and

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Speaker 2: provide notice before you fire any of the members of

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Speaker 2: the board. In any case, let's go ahead and play

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Speaker 2: a little bit of justice Kavanaugh sounding very skeptical about

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Speaker 2: what if they allowed this to go forward, what this

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Speaker 2: would mean for future administrations and their use of a

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Speaker 2: similar power.

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Speaker 4: If this were set as a precedent. It seems to me,

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Speaker 4: just thinking big picture, what goes around comes around. All

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Speaker 4: the current president's appointees would likely be removed for cause

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Speaker 4: on January twentieth, twenty twenty nine, if there's a Democratic president,

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Speaker 4: or January twentieth, twenty thirty three, and then we're really

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Speaker 4: at at will removal.

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Speaker 2: So there, he always says, hey, if we let you

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Speaker 2: do this, you know, the Democrats when they get elected,

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Speaker 2: they're just going to do the same thing, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of like a bit of a mask of fairy

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Speaker 2: revealing moment of like, you know, he's not so much

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Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, but yeah, let's say we have president A. See,

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Speaker 5: we can't let that happen.

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Speaker 1: It's a hypothetic.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it would be a good thing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I look, I will put it to you this way. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the mortgage thing is ridiculous. Obviously, the Jerome Powell thing

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Speaker 3: is literally made up about renovations and all that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is always My difficulty with Trump is, you know,

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Speaker 3: the actions can be insane, but like the spirit of it,

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's not what it is.

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Speaker 3: To board set up by Congress in the nineteen hundreds

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Speaker 3: explicitly to remove the democratic power of the American people

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Speaker 3: to have influence over our money supply of our banking system,

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Speaker 3: and is since morphed into this completely undemocratic institution which

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Speaker 3: is wholly working on behalf of American banks. That's quite

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Speaker 3: literally their job. And second, the global financial system, especially

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Speaker 3: at a time when our personal interests you're in mind,

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot about this when the interest rates

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Speaker 3: I mean they literally have the you know, the so

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of this goes back to

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Speaker 3: And there's this idea in the American elite that Carter

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Speaker 3: for e miserating the population for like three to four years.

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Speaker 3: My opinion, there was probably a better way. Again, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm just an undergraduate or whatever. I'm not a PhD,

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Speaker 3: and I know all the PhDs completely disagree.

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Speaker 1: With me on that front.

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Speaker 3: But like, I just firmly believe like democracy, sh have

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Speaker 3: enormous power over how their economies are governed.

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Speaker 1: It's fundamentally an undemocratic institution.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: And yet, of course Trump is not trying to like

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Speaker 2: he wants to have the power to do with it

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Speaker 2: what he wants, what he finds to be politically beneficial

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Speaker 2: and also will effectively reward his courneyes Professor Jang, who

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Speaker 2: probably a lot of you guys watch on YouTube, talks

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Speaker 2: about how he sees this as a class conflict between

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Speaker 2: different factions of oligarchs. On the one hand, you have

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Speaker 2: the Wall streeterers, who are the ones who are favored

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Speaker 2: versus the Silicon Valley oligarchs who Trump represents. So in

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Speaker 2: that spirit, it's not like any of us are really

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Speaker 2: going to be regardless of what happens here. It's not

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Speaker 2: like our interest are truly going to be front and

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Speaker 2: center in terms of what has done it in.

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Speaker 1: Fact three years.

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Speaker 3: But then, like you just said, if somebody else comes

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Speaker 3: into power, they're like, hey, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna use it, gut it on the tool on my toolbox.

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Speaker 1: My good. I think these are good things.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing that's interesting to me with the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court is, i mean, number one, they have the

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Speaker 2: lower courts have checked Trump in various ways at various times. Right,

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Speaker 2: We actually just had a ruling that went at the

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Speaker 2: But the lower courts there have been sometimes when they

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Speaker 2: with him, overwhelmingly, and oftentimes on the quote unquote shadow docket,

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Speaker 2: where they don't have to, you know, have a full

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Speaker 2: decision that truly sets precedent so that future, to Kavanaugh's points,

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Speaker 2: democratic presidents might avail themselves of those same powers. They

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Speaker 2: just say, you know, for now, Trump can go ahead

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Speaker 2: and do what he wants to do. They are coming

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Speaker 2: to a rubber meets the road issue here with regard

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Speaker 2: while where they're supposed to put on a diverance, expecting

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Speaker 2: them to put on a decision. Most legal analysts look

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Speaker 2: at this and say that there's no way that Trump

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Speaker 2: actually has the power that he has used with regard

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Speaker 5: Furthermore, with regard.

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Speaker 2: To this issue of these you know sort of independent

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Speaker 2: protected and insular from political influence. Whether you agree or

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Speaker 2: support with that or not, that's the way Congress set

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Speaker 2: up the FED. It's the way Congress set up CFPB

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Speaker 2: and some other agencies as well. They have ruled on

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Speaker 2: the side of Trump having executive power over those things.

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Speaker 2: And so it is interesting that when it comes to

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Speaker 2: where they look like they're set to draw the line

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Speaker 2: and where they may actually you know, check him in

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Speaker 2: a meaningful way, when they.

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Speaker 5: Have not done that.

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Speaker 2: Really it's I mean, you might say on the Seacot

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Speaker 2: let him do whatever he wants. So I do think

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Speaker 2: it's noteworthy that like this is the place where there

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Speaker 3: To be fed seacought and tariffs. I mean, again, that's

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Speaker 3: an assumption. I still don't really know. I would I

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Speaker 3: would think perhaps one reason that the tariff decision is

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Speaker 3: and it's very likely because apparently again this is from

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Speaker 3: my friends who have covered the court, is there's often

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Speaker 1: Because this is such an.

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Speaker 3: Important case for presidential power, which is probably going to

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Speaker 1: Apparently that's one reason, which could be the delay. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I still think that this stuff takes way too like

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Speaker 3: like tariffs, like it's been a year, like people have

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Speaker 1: People in terrors.

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Speaker 3: And then think about this, if they ruled on constitutional

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Speaker 3: do we all get a refund?

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Speaker 1: We'll get a refund, you know.

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Speaker 2: To me, I think that potentially there could be a

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Speaker 2: in the threat of tariffs, in all sorts of crazy ways.

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Speaker 5: We saw this with like you know.

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Speaker 2: The Greenland situation, and the more that they drag out

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Speaker 2: actually support his theory of like this massively powerful unitary executive.

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Speaker 2: I think they obviously many of them support him more

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Speaker 2: where again most leg land also tell you it's pretty

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Speaker 2: clear cut that he did not have the power to

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Speaker 2: do all the things that they do. They know that

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Speaker 2: they don't want to completely destroy their credibility by putting

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Speaker 2: out a ruling that's just idiotic and ahistorical in terms

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Speaker 2: I think the Court is very political, not just this court.

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Speaker 2: I think the Court has always been very political. Perhaps

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Speaker 2: it has become even more partisan and even more political.

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Speaker 2: And so I read into this delay basically that they

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Speaker 2: relevant to the conversation we just had with Meerscheimer, how

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Speaker 6: It's a war that should have never started, and it

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Speaker 2: Lest you thought that perhaps he had moved on from

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Speaker 7: And you spoke earlier about the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't think I would be doing that. I

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Speaker 2: Trump is like what you talk, but then he knows

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Speaker 2: they've learned some things. You know what I don't. The

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Speaker 1: If that's a deal honestly sent him home. All right,

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Speaker 3: Right, let's get it, let's get it back, and let's

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Speaker 2: Here's another reason why I have to take it seriously.

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Speaker 3: That's a disaster and there's no other way around. And

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Speaker 3: this is always a problem with DOGE. And I look

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Speaker 3: with this one, it said there details are still attle

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Speaker 3: bit weird because they're saying that they're not sure what

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Speaker 3: information or whatever was shared. It doesn't really matter because

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Speaker 3: even being in touch with the organization is the violation

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Speaker 3: here of the Hatch Act, and it does trace back.

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Speaker 3: I think that this is more of the tip of

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Speaker 3: the iceberg personally, and that this is that I said,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're if you're a DOGE member, you

449
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Speaker 3: better hope Elon's going to be paying your legal bills

450
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Speaker 3: because when these Democrats come into power in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: can you imagine like what the subpoenas and all of

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Speaker 3: that will eventually show as a result. Yeah, though, just

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Speaker 3: those chaotic first couple of days, well all this was

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Speaker 3: the concern.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that one the Trump administration is

456
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Speaker 2: throwing them under the bus. I mean happy to be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: these guys were doing some crazy stuff. We didn't have

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Speaker 2: any idea about it in the context of the course.

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Speaker 2: So they're not particular. Your pardon is not coming from Trump.

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Speaker 2: You're not getting a pardon from Trump. He doesn't give

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Speaker 2: a shit about you. He's throwing you under the bus.

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Speaker 2: Whatever crimes you committed, that's going to be on you.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so now it's coming out through this particular

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Speaker 2: court process.

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Speaker 5: But you're right.

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Speaker 2: If Democrats are back in charge, even you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're probably going to get the House back, possibly the Senate,

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Speaker 2: very likely they win the White House next time around.

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Speaker 5: Any Democrat with worth their.

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Speaker 2: Salt will do a deep dive investigation into all the

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Speaker 2: shit that down during DOGE because they were going wild.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what else was done in the context of

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Speaker 2: those early months of dose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Oversight Committee, I mean, look, the presidency,

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Speaker 3: who knows three years away, but House in a year,

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Speaker 3: that's definitely something that's very open as a question. I

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Speaker 3: have long thought that the I don't think Washington is

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Speaker 3: ready for what the House Oversight Committee, because it has

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Speaker 3: subpoena power. Don't forget, I will definitely get some sort

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Speaker 3: of executive showdowns over that. But you cannot keep the

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Speaker 3: house away forever. You're also going to have to have

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Speaker 3: people who are going to be testifying under oath. You

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Speaker 3: can call them to come and testify no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Even when you do site executive privileges.

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Speaker 3: We alsaw during Russiagate, you know, last time around in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. So there's still some serious, serious problems that

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Speaker 3: this administrates. It's really not the top level officials. They're

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Speaker 3: all rich, it doesn't matter. But it's the DOGE employees,

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Speaker 3: you know, Elon's assistants, other people who may have been

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Speaker 3: privy to meetings. Then you always have questions and other things.

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Speaker 3: You could hold up funding if you don't get certain

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Speaker 3: things that come your way. So things are about to change,

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Speaker 3: I think pretty significantly if the midterms go the way

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Speaker 3: that we expect. Okay, we've got author Danny Funt standing by.

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Speaker 3: He's going to talk about sports gambling.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: We're very excited now to be joined by Danny Funt.

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Speaker 3: He's the author of a new book. Let's put it

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Speaker 3: up here on the screen. Everybody loses the tumultuous rise

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Speaker 3: of American sports gambling topic near and dear to my

501
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Speaker 3: heart Danny, and it already seems from some of the

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Speaker 3: excerpts that have been released that it backs up much

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Speaker 3: of the reporting out there about the exploitative way that

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Speaker 3: these companies run, how they're able to limit winners, how

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Speaker 3: they are able to dramatically exploit some of the losers,

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Speaker 3: the so called whales, how they manage their internal risk,

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Speaker 3: their own pr strategy. So why don't you give the

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Speaker 3: audience a little bit of a taste here of some

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Speaker 3: of the revelations that you found while you're reporting out

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Speaker 3: this book.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, even though as you were saying, some of the

512
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Speaker 10: predatory tactics in this uses have been covered, I think

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Speaker 10: there's certain details I was able to find that will

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Speaker 10: blow people away, particularly things that people within the industry

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Speaker 10: admitted saying, you know, their advertising is untruthful. They're suggesting

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Speaker 10: that you can win, but you can't. That was from

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Speaker 10: the former CEO of FanDuel. Another high up at FanDuel

518
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Speaker 10: told me that the way that parlays just annihilate customers

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Speaker 10: reminded him of when he was a military contractor helping

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Speaker 10: warships be more lethal, and he sort of had ambivalence about,

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Speaker 10: you know, he wants to help fandel make money, but

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Speaker 10: is destroying customers at.

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Speaker 1: That rate really the right thing to be doing.

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Speaker 10: So a lot of revelations from all sorts of people

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Speaker 10: around this field, but I'm particularly proud that so many

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Speaker 10: people within the industry wanted to speak up for this book.

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Speaker 2: So can you dig into that a little bit more

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Speaker 2: for people who haven't followed it closely? When you have

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Speaker 2: the what FanDuel CEO said saying, like people, we tell

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Speaker 2: people they can win, but really you can't. What do

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Speaker 2: they mean specifically by that? What do they do to

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Speaker 2: engineer the outcome where over a long period of like,

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Speaker 2: you are not going to win in any significant amount anyway.

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Speaker 10: Right, So as much as the house always wins as

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Speaker 10: such an axiom of the gambling business, there's something about

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Speaker 10: sports betting where you think, I know my team or

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Speaker 10: my league better than whoever's setting the odds. I can

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Speaker 10: outsmart them. And the advertising from these companies totally reinforces that.

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Speaker 10: It's so on the nose that they're saying betting on

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Speaker 10: sports is a way to make money. Surveys of customers

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Speaker 10: back that up, and yet it goes beyond the house edge.

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Speaker 10: I remember speaking with someone who was an executive at

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Speaker 10: a company that builds these micro bets. So nowadays you

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Speaker 10: can not only bet on who's going to win, or

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Speaker 10: even prop bets like how many touchdowns will my favorite

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Speaker 10: quarterback throw, but literally every play has become an opportunity

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Speaker 10: for betting will this play result in a score or not?

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Speaker 10: Things like that. And this guy who's a micro betting

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Speaker 10: executive said, we recognize that fans are predisposed to think

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Speaker 10: positive outcomes will happen. So you're going to hope your

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Speaker 10: team scores more than you're going to hope they punt

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Speaker 10: in a football game, and we're going to shade the odds,

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Speaker 10: as they put it, so that those positive outcomes pay

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Speaker 10: out less. And he sort of thought about it for

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Speaker 10: a moment and said, we're kind of taxing the casuals

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Speaker 10: with that shading, And I just thought, man, the leagues

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Speaker 10: and even these sportsbooks have said betting is a way

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Speaker 10: to enhance fandom. It just makes you more on the

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Speaker 10: edge of your seat, you know, more locked into the game.

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Speaker 10: At the same time, they're very explicitly taking advantage of

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Speaker 10: your weaknesses as a fan just to drive up their

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Speaker 10: margins so that, you know, as basic as it is,

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Speaker 10: was telling, I thought of how this industry works and

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Speaker 10: how ruthless they can be.

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Speaker 3: As Danny, some of the things that I have tried

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Speaker 3: to hammer home specifically about this parlay bet is that

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Speaker 3: many people have an antiquated notion about sports gambling, as

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Speaker 3: if it's exactly the same as it used to be,

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Speaker 3: let's say, whenever it was illegal. The truth is that

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Speaker 3: these specific types of parlays, multi player bets, two touchdowns

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Speaker 3: combinations have never existed before, and they are by far

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Speaker 3: the most profitable engine for these gambling companies. You said

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Speaker 3: that they remind people of a war executive, for example,

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Speaker 3: of annihilating the enemy, and the profits actually bear that

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Speaker 3: out for these companies. Could you detail what you found

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Speaker 3: specifically about these parlay bets, which are the most popular

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Speaker 3: on all of these platforms, and how they work to

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Speaker 3: specifically exploit many of these fans.

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Speaker 10: Right. I'm glad you brought that up, because there's a

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Speaker 10: lot of ways in which the industry will say there's

581
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Speaker 10: always been illegal betting, We've just brought it out of

582
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Speaker 10: the black market. Sure, there's some truth to that, but

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Speaker 10: the line betting industry is a whole new ballgame, partly

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Speaker 10: because just betting on your phone. Ninety five percent of

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Speaker 10: this business is now conducted online. So online betting opens

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Speaker 10: the doors to such more complexity with how you're betting,

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Speaker 10: and the menu of things you can bet on has

588
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Speaker 10: just exploded, where there are thousands of things you can

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Speaker 10: bet on within a single game. Parlays are now all

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Speaker 10: some people bet on, especially young people, the idea that

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Speaker 10: you can combine a bunch of things, if they all hit,

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Speaker 10: you'll make a lot of money. You know, you might

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Speaker 10: bet ten dollars for the chance at winning three hundred dollars.

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Speaker 10: You could understand how appealing that is. But thirty percent

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Speaker 10: of bets are parlays, and about sixty percent of revenue

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Speaker 10: comes from parlays. They tend to hold for every one

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Speaker 10: hundred dollars you bet, the households about thirty dollars in revenue.

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Speaker 10: The traditional margin for sports betting was like five dollars

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Speaker 10: for every hundred wagered. And what that same guy used

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Speaker 10: to work at FANDLE. His name is Nick Bonadio, So

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Speaker 10: I'm happy a lot of guys put their names behind

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Speaker 10: these quotes.

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Speaker 1: Said.

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Speaker 10: Customers have this assumption that I'll bet that ten dollars

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Speaker 10: bet to win three hundred and if I hit one

606
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Speaker 10: of those bets, it's going to pay for all my losers.

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Speaker 10: It doesn't work that way. The odds are so bad

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Speaker 10: for those bets over time, it's why it's so profitable,

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Speaker 10: he said, And I remember this quote. He said, not

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Speaker 10: to be condescending, but I think maybe five percent of

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Speaker 10: customers understand that understand that the odds are actually so

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Speaker 10: bad that these are sucker bets essentially. And yet, as

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Speaker 10: I was saying, it's what it's sometimes exclusively how people

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Speaker 10: now wager on sports.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more too, about prop bets,

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Speaker 2: where you can you know, not just bad on like

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Speaker 2: the outcome of the game, but you can bet on

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Speaker 2: how much one particular player is going to score in

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Speaker 2: one particular quarter.

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Speaker 5: I mean, with these very specific things.

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Speaker 2: And of course that makes it easier for those players

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Speaker 2: and people who are involved in the league to get

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Speaker 2: in on, you know, rigging those bets. So how widespread

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Speaker 2: is this and how much does it undercut the legitimacy

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Speaker 2: of the games that were watching totally?

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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, the most notorious fixing scandal is

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Speaker 10: the nineteen nineteen World Series. Eight members of the Chicago

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Speaker 10: White Sox throwing Baseball's championship. People say, you know, there

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Speaker 10: would never be another white Black Sox scandal. That's true,

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Speaker 10: but you'd never You wouldn't need eight players now to

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Speaker 10: collude to throw the World Series in order to make

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Speaker 10: a lot of money. A single bench player, as we've seen,

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Speaker 10: or even a more established player than that, can influence

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Speaker 10: one play through these prop bets and make a fortune

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Speaker 10: for them or their friends. Emmanuel Classe, one of the

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Speaker 10: top relief pitchers in baseball, was arrested at the end

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Speaker 10: of last year, allegedly for just intentionally throwing a couple

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Speaker 10: of pitches as balls. He texted someone from the bullpen

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Speaker 10: and said, heads up, I'm going to spike a slider

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Speaker 10: to start this inning. And that was very profitable allegedly

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Speaker 10: for him and his partner in that. Again, it also

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Speaker 10: relates to parlays, because when you can stack those sorts

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Speaker 10: of bets together, you can make hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 10: dollars on the most obscure bets. John day Porter, the

645
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Speaker 10: most obscure player we could think of in the NBA,

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Speaker 10: a two way bench player on the Toronto Raptors, was

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Speaker 10: arrested and ultimately convicted for removing himself from a couple

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Speaker 10: of games, pretending he had an injury so that those

649
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Speaker 10: prop bets on his points and rebounds and assists and

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Speaker 10: things like that would go under. That was something that

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Speaker 10: people were betting hundreds of thousands of dollars to win on.

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Speaker 10: And I hear bookmakers so upset about that, who've been

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Speaker 10: at this for a long time, because they would never

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Speaker 10: have dreamed of letting you stand away whin hundreds of

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Speaker 10: thousands of bucks on a guy like John day Porter.

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Speaker 10: They knew that was ripe for fixing. It was so corruptible.

657
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Speaker 10: And yet because the online business is, you know, their

658
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Speaker 10: biggest money maker is these parlays, they've rushed into offering

659
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Speaker 10: as many ways of building parlays as possible and accepted

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Speaker 10: that a price you might pay for That is the

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Speaker 10: corruption of sports.

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Speaker 3: Danny, Can you talk about the media here, because I

663
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Speaker 3: think that actually might be one of the worst elements

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Speaker 3: is I would be remiss to think of a single

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Speaker 3: national sports personality who is not in league with the

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Speaker 3: gambling gambling companies at a basic advertising level, either direct

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Speaker 3: partnership with DraftKings, FanDuel hard Rock bet any of the

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Speaker 3: points bet any prize picks. If you pick even a

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Speaker 3: cultural figure, a sports line figure, they are directly in

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Speaker 3: league with the gambling companies. What do you think that

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Speaker 3: that does for coverage of sport? First sample had an

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Speaker 3: excerpt from your book went quite viral about Bill Simmons

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Speaker 3: over at the Ringer.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'd love to get into that, But the first

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Speaker 10: name that popped in my head was Bob Costas, who

676
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Speaker 10: spoke with me, and his father had a gambling problem,

677
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Speaker 10: he told me, and so when he was calling baseball

678
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Speaker 10: games and they wanted him to tout parlays or read

679
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 10: sports book ads, he said, I just don't feel comfortable

680
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Speaker 10: doing that, and they gave him a pass. The takeaway

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Speaker 10: I think is you need to be a you know,

682
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Speaker 10: thirty time Emmy winner, a legend of broadcasting to be

683
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Speaker 10: able to opt out of that. It's just become a

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Speaker 10: fact of life for so many journalists. But at the

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Speaker 10: same time, I don't want to let people like Bill

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Speaker 10: Simmons off the hook because they've made millions and millions

687
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Speaker 10: of dollars by hawking sports books, normalizing the idea that

688
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Speaker 10: firing all these parlays and you know, low odds prop

689
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Speaker 10: bets is just the way to be a sports fan nowadays.

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Speaker 10: You know, the influence of that making this the default

691
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Speaker 10: way of engaging with sports can't be understated. A consequence

692
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Speaker 10: of it, besides just you know, giving the impression that

693
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Speaker 10: this is a harmless, you know, no big deal way

694
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Speaker 10: of being a fan now is it also handcuffs a

695
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Speaker 10: lot of sports outlets that could be reporting on the

696
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Speaker 10: dangers of betting, rising addiction, the risks of corruption. We

697
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 10: were just talking about all of that. You'll be watching

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Speaker 10: sports networks and feel like there's a conspicuous silence about

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Speaker 10: that stuff. Even with Bill Simmons, as I wrote about

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Speaker 10: in the book, this guy who has burnt a reputation

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Speaker 10: as this defiant truth teller. When John day Porter was

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Speaker 10: arrested or when other games that I know he cares

703
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 10: a lot about were exposed to have fixing scandals, he's very,

704
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Speaker 10: you know, kind of tongue tied and you know, really

705
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Speaker 10: watching his words in a way that he doesn't typically

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Speaker 10: And I think it's because fandal is one of his

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Speaker 10: biggest sponsors, and that's true of so much of the media.

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Speaker 10: And just lastly, I'll quote a former ESPN reporter named

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Speaker 10: Henry Abbott, who said, when you think about all that

710
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 10: sports media is really being bribed by all this advertising dollars,

711
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Speaker 10: The bribe is we'll give you millions and millions of dollars,

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Speaker 10: and in exchange, don't say anything that would either embarrass

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Speaker 10: these sports books or embarrass the leagues for partnering with

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Speaker 10: them and profiting so handsomely from this betting explosion.

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Speaker 2: Talk a little bit more about that human cost. You know,

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Speaker 2: how is this. You're a fallible human being and you're

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Speaker 2: up against this giant business that is spending as much

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Speaker 2: money as it needs to get you hooked, to trick you,

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Speaker 2: to make sure that you always lose. What is the

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Speaker 2: cost that this has had for people?

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Speaker 10: We're seeing addiction rates rise that the expectation for a

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Speaker 10: long time had been then about one or maybe even

723
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Speaker 10: two percent of the population is prone to a gambling

724
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Speaker 10: problem in states that have legalized it. Health experts believe

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Speaker 10: it's closer to six or eight percent among young men

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Speaker 10: who are the target demo.

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Speaker 1: It's much higher.

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Speaker 10: You as bad as that is, and I tell some

729
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Speaker 10: really heartbreaking stories in the book of the most ordinary

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Speaker 10: people who seem like they're smart and know about sports

731
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Speaker 10: and wouldn't you know, get themselves in that down that road.

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Speaker 10: I also think that people can hear addiction stories and say, well,

733
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Speaker 10: that doesn't apply to me. Like that said, but I

734
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Speaker 10: don't have a gambling problem. And what we're seeing is

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Speaker 10: such pervasive rates of problematic gambling even if you don't

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Speaker 10: have a clinically diagnosable problem. And what I mean by

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Speaker 10: that is a third of gamblers saying they've felt ashamed

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Speaker 10: after how much money they've lost. Half of gamblers saying

739
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Speaker 10: they've lost money and then bet and bet and bet

740
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Speaker 10: to try to make up for it. What's called chasing losses,

741
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Speaker 10: a telltale sign of a gambling problem. Half of sports

742
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Speaker 10: betters admit to that. You also see research that in

743
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Speaker 10: a very scientific way, is demonstrated that in states that

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Speaker 10: have legalized sports betting, there are higher bankruptcy rates, worse

745
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Speaker 10: credit scores, worse family savings. I hate to even bring

746
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Speaker 10: this up, at higher rates of domestic violence compared to

747
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Speaker 10: states that haven't legalized. So you know, you might be thinking,

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Speaker 10: I bet fifty bucks here, one hundred bucks there. These

749
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Speaker 10: products are engineered to get you to get carried away,

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Speaker 10: to get you in over your heads, and you might

751
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Speaker 10: look up and say, how did I lose thousands of

752
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Speaker 10: bucks this season? That's what they are masterminds at getting

753
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Speaker 10: you to overdo it.

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Speaker 3: And that's the last thing I really wanted to get

755
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Speaker 3: you to expound on. Is something I've again tried to

756
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Speaker 3: emphasize over and over is that these companies literally could

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Speaker 3: not operate if it was a level playing field. So

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Speaker 3: if winners people were good at bettingly bet then they

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Speaker 3: would not be able to oper The only way to

760
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Speaker 3: remain highly profitable is to limit the winners, the so

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Speaker 3: called sharpbetters, and massively exploit the so called problem gamblers

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Speaker 3: who make up the vast majority of their revenue. One thing,

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Speaker 3: actually i'd love your reaction to can we put this

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Speaker 3: E three please up on the screen? I mean, we

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Speaker 3: have an example here of how a company in March

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four points bet raised its share of online

767
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Speaker 3: gambling revenue in New Jersey from eleven percent to twenty

768
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Speaker 3: four percent after wooing a single cash customer away from DraftKings.

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Speaker 3: So that is I mean, this is what is called

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Speaker 3: a whale. And another thing that you detail in your

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Speaker 3: book is how many of these you know, so called whales?

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Speaker 3: I would call them gambling addicts, which is money to lose,

773
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Speaker 3: are showered with VIP hosts, phone calls, gifts. Uh so,

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Speaker 3: could you just expound, you know a little bit on

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Speaker 3: that on how in many ways the so called best customers,

776
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Speaker 3: aka the addicts, are the ones who were, you know,

777
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Speaker 3: get all of these benefits supposedly while they throw away

778
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Speaker 3: all their money, and then the people were actually winning

779
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: as advertise that they can do, get limited almost immediately

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Speaker 3: when they join the platform.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so galling, you know, that single customer.

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Speaker 10: I spend a lot of time trying to track down

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Speaker 10: who they are because they've lost over one hundred million dollars.

784
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Speaker 10: They're maybe the biggest loser of the legal online betting era.

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Speaker 10: The closest I could get is that they have inherited

786
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Speaker 10: oil wealth. But I don't know anything beyond that. But

787
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Speaker 10: that side of the business catering to VIPs as they

788
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Speaker 10: call it, people who lose at minimum tens of thousands

789
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Speaker 10: of dollars on a weekly basis. I'd been covering this

790
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Speaker 10: for years. I didn't even realize how huge that is.

791
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Speaker 10: That about two percent of customers make up sixty or

792
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Speaker 10: seventy percent of revenue and those people, as a result,

793
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Speaker 10: get pampered in the most extravagant ways imaginable, particularly if

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Speaker 10: you're a sports fan, like getting to throw out the

795
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Speaker 10: first pitch at a game, at a baseball game, getting

796
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Speaker 10: to play pickup basketball in an NBA court, getting to

797
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Speaker 10: have your kids take batting practice at a big lead field.

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Speaker 10: We could go, I could go on for a really

799
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 10: long time. It's it's nuts, but it's also ruthless because

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Speaker 10: as soon as you either pull back a little bit

801
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 10: and say hey, I'm getting carried away, let me chill

802
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 10: out for a minute, or you start winning, all of

803
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 10: those perks disappear. Yes, there was one VIP in Ohio

804
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 10: who said, I love the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're coming to Cleveland, fanatics,

805
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 10: would you get me? Seets, he's a VIP at fanatics.

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Speaker 10: They said absolutely, we got you. The game came around,

807
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 10: he said, hey, could you throw in a parking pass?

808
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 10: And they said, uh yeah. Unfortunately, we've been seeing that

809
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 10: you're The way you've been betting on football no longer

810
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 10: qualifies you to be a VIP. We had to revoke

811
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Speaker 10: those tickets. But if you go back to the way

812
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Speaker 10: that you were betting when we gave you these VIP privileges.

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00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 10: Maybe we can think of a way to make this

814
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Speaker 10: up to you down the road. But he hadn't broken

815
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Speaker 10: any rules. He was just twenty some condition. He was

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Speaker 10: just just winning or even just placing smart bets, and

817
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Speaker 10: that disqualified them in their eyes.

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Speaker 2: Wow, well the book is everybody loses, Danny fun Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, So great to have your insights and congratulations.

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Speaker 5: I think it's such an important topic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Danny, appreciate.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a link down in the description everybody can

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Speaker 3: go purchase the book.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Take care our pleasure.

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Speaker 2: All Right, guys, we have some bombshell news this morning,

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Speaker 2: a whistleblower coming forward and saying that ICE is training

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Speaker 2: their agents to disregard decades of precedent with regard to

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Speaker 2: Fourth Amendment constitutional protections. Let's go and put this up

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Speaker 2: on the screen because this is incredibly significant and doesn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily only apply to immigrants. So the headline here from

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Speaker 2: the AP is immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter

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Speaker 2: homes without a judge's warrant, according to this memo that

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Speaker 2: was revealed by a whistleblower. Let me read a little

834
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Speaker 2: bit of this federal immigration officers are starting sweeping powerty

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Speaker 2: forcibly enter people's homes without a judge's warrant, making a

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Speaker 2: sharp reversal of long standing guidance meant to respect constitutional

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Speaker 2: limits on government searches. The MEMILL authorizes ICE officers to

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Speaker 2: use force to enter a residence based solely on a

839
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Speaker 2: more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final

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Speaker 2: order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with

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Speaker 2: Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to

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Speaker 2: immigrant communities. And this dovetails with what has been reported

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Speaker 2: on the ground in all of these cities where you've

844
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Speaker 2: seen an influx a surge of these federal agents, largely

845
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Speaker 2: ICE agents, but others. Besides where they are entering people's homes,

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Speaker 2: people are asking for a warrant, they are not providing one.

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Speaker 2: And the difference between a judicial warrant and an administrative

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Speaker 2: warrant is judicial one is the one where you have

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Speaker 2: to go and present evidence and have a judge sign

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Speaker 2: off on it. An administrative warrant is basically just like

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Speaker 2: a piece of paper that ICE agent can fill out

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00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: in the field. So it has long been the case

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Speaker 2: that if you are going to take such an extraordinary

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Speaker 2: action as forcibly entering someone's domicile, that you had to

855
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Speaker 2: have a judge sign off saying that yes, this is reasonable,

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Speaker 2: Yes there is sufficient evidence for you agent of the

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Speaker 2: state to undertake this extraordinary action that has apparently been

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Speaker 2: thrown out with this Trump administration in regards to immigration.

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Speaker 2: And again there is no limiting principle here that says

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Speaker 2: that this guidance contained in this memo would only apply

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Speaker 2: to immigrants. Now, the way that they set it up

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Speaker 2: is they say, well, we're only doing this in cases

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Speaker 2: where there's a final order of removal. However, in footnote

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Speaker 2: they acknowledge that that does not mean that they are

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Speaker 2: limiting themselves exclusively to those immigrants who have a final

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Speaker 2: order of removal from a judge. So they have opened

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Speaker 2: the door to basically being able to raise anyone's house

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Speaker 2: whenever they want to, if they just have an someone

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Speaker 2: at ICE sign off on one of these administrative warrants. Again,

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Speaker 2: really puts together some of the pieces of what immigrants

871
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Speaker 2: and activists and advocates on the ground have been saying

872
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: about the conduct of ICE agents and the way that

873
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: it completely conflicts with Fourth Amendment protections and the way

874
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: it completely conflicts with the way immigration operations have been

875
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: conducted previously. So on that note of the incredibly aggressive

876
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: and unconstitutional illegal actions that are being taken by ICE

877
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: agents on the ground, we are very fortunate to be

878
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: joined this morning by Minneapolis parents who were tear gassed

879
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: by ICE agents, and not just them, but their four

880
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: children as well six month old baby in the car.

881
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 2: They all had to go to the hospital, the baby

882
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: stop breathing. Terrifying situation. Their crime, they were on their

883
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: way home from a basketball game. And we're in the

884
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: wrong place at the wrong time. So let's go ahead

885
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: and get to our guests, all right, guys, So we

886
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: are very fortunate to be joined this morning by Sean

887
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: and Dustmy Jackson. They are the parents of those children.

888
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: They were on their way home from a basketball game

889
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: when they were tear gassed by ICE agents. First of all, guys,

890
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing this. How are you

891
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: guys doing, and how are the kids doing?

892
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 7: I'm doing, I mean, we're doing okay.

893
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 11: We had our follow up appointment and stuff, and so

894
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 11: we're having some long lasting effects of the effects of

895
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 11: the tear gas, So I got like some information in

896
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 11: my chests and.

897
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 7: In my nose and stuff. So I'm like, I'm a

898
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 7: couple of medications right now.

899
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 11: Just to clear that all up so that I can

900
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 11: have my.

901
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 7: Surgery that I just have to have done next week.

902
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.

903
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 11: But the kids are they requested to go back to school,

904
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 11: so I'm just because they didn't want to, you know,

905
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 11: keep reliving what happened, especially with like us talking to

906
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 11: newspeople and just you know, having to do the story

907
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 11: and stuff.

908
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 7: So I'm good.

909
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: Well, Sean, can you just take us through that day

910
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: where you were what you were doing, and you know,

911
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: kind of blow by blow what happened here.

912
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 12: Well, that day, it was like a normal day for us.

913
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 12: We we left work, picked up kids from school, headed

914
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 12: to our oldest son basketball game. Basketball game finished, we

915
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 12: went to the store to get something to eat, and

916
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 12: from there, on the way home, we take our regular

917
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 12: route that we do any other day. And on the

918
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 12: route we had came up the hill and it was

919
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 12: blocked up and it was only like two like it

920
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 12: was only like two ways we could go, but it

921
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 12: was both both sides of the streets was the same.

922
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 12: So it's like we always take, but right at that

923
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 12: corner anyway, So we took the right. In the middle of that,

924
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 12: we got I had to pull over to the side

925
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 12: to let other cars come, and I did that. Now

926
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 12: I just started asking questions like what was going on

927
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 12: and everything. And in the middle of that, we have

928
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 12: seen my mother in law and she was like, we

929
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 12: need to get my mom home, just cold and stuff.

930
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 7: So I'm like, okay.

931
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 12: So I was still asking questions and it was explaining

932
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 12: to me what was going on. I'm old yellow tale,

933
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 12: my what somebody died? And they was like no ice.

934
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 12: So yeah, well the middle of that, it just it

935
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 12: was a lot.

936
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Desney, you you all were asking people who

937
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: were there what was going on, and you're trying, it's

938
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: your mother that you're trying to pick up. She's out

939
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 2: there in the cold, trying to get her in the vehicle.

940
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: And then what happens in the process.

941
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 7: I mean that took a while.

942
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 12: You know.

943
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 11: People were like, oh, your kids were in a car

944
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 11: by theirself, But they weren't in a car by theirself.

945
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 7: You know, my mom actually was out my aunts.

946
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 11: My mom had my auntie out there, and my auntie

947
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 11: is actually pregnant with twins, and so like she like

948
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 11: went and I was just like asking her, like could

949
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 11: you go and sit in the car with the kids

950
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 11: while I try to gather her up, you know, And

951
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 11: it took a while.

952
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 7: My mom's what I say is my mom's hard headed.

953
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 11: She's like another one of my kids, like and you know,

954
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 11: it was actually kind of like, you know, she was

955
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 11: just trying to exercise her first of them because like

956
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 11: my mom actually lived in the neighborhood where Renee Good was,

957
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 11: you know killed, and so just five blocks away. My

958
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 11: mom stays on Portland Avenue in like twenty nine, So

959
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 11: it was like you know, and so when I guess

960
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 11: when she heard like they were in our neighborhood, like

961
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 11: she was just like.

962
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 7: Oh no, you know, Like so that was the reason

963
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 7: she was out there.

964
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 11: And in a mix of being out there trying to

965
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 11: get her to go home, you know, like you see

966
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 11: me like you can there's videos like you see us

967
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 11: like standing around and stuff like that.

968
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 7: I'm like, but we were kind of get her.

969
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 11: To go home, but like you know, like in the

970
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 11: mix of that, I was just trying to let her

971
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 11: do what she does. But I was not going to

972
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 11: leave without her, you know, and so like people like

973
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 11: did like ask us questions while we were out there

974
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 11: and stuff like that, and you know, like we asked

975
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 11: questions while we were out there and stuff too. But

976
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 11: you know, it took her about forty minutes to budget

977
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 11: before she was like, Okay, I'm going to go. And

978
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 11: that only happened because like people with like yellow jackets

979
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 11: started walking up and someone like she overheard someone say like,

980
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 11: it's about to go down, and I'm like, what's about

981
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 11: to go down? You know, and then they were like

982
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 11: when they come, that's when stuff starts happening. I looked

983
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 11: at her, and she's like, okay, I'll come, I'll come.

984
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 11: And so that's when we all like started going to

985
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 11: our cars and stuff like that, and the mixed stuff

986
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 11: going to our cars. We got in the car, we

987
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 11: were starting to pull off and I started closing in.

988
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 11: So they were coming up our exit route, and they

989
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 11: were also pushing people like from the protests behind us,

990
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 11: so they were like.

991
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 7: Kind of like gathering them up, and that's.

992
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 11: When they started throwing flash thin into your gass.

993
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 3: So one question I have here is about the government's narrative.

994
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: Can we put that up there on the screen. Please,

995
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 3: in a sense deleted tweet, they accused you. They said,

996
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 3: it is horrific to sey or radical agitators bring children

997
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: to their violent riots.

998
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Please stop endangering your children.

999
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: You're saying that, you know, you were on your way

1000
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: from basketball able to pick up your your mother and

1001
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 3: in the context of all of this kind of chaos

1002
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: that you were caught in the go ahead, sir.

1003
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 7: Oh, he was just saying that he didn't see that.

1004
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is that that is from the Department

1005
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 3: of Homeland Security, from the United States government.

1006
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 9: Uh.

1007
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 7: And then.

1008
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: We just wanted to make sure that we get.

1009
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 11: From the only part was from them, like no one

1010
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 11: when we like when I was, when we were out there,

1011
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 11: nothing was violently, nothing violently was happening until they started

1012
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 11: doing what they are doing.

1013
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: Mhm, sir, did you have something you want to say?

1014
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 12: No, that's what I was going to say. That was

1015
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 12: going on until I.

1016
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 11: Started throwing tear gas and all that stuff like it was.

1017
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 11: And then like on top of that, like we didn't

1018
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 11: bring our children to the protest, protest like we've never

1019
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 11: protests before, you can we weren't there a protest for

1020
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 11: God's sake, it was blows.

1021
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 7: You were outside and we had on sweaters. Think I

1022
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 7: would have came to a protest with just a sweater on.

1023
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 7: I didn't have a hat on, no gloves, no anything.

1024
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 11: There were people outside that were out there offering us stuff,

1025
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 11: and we're like, we're not here for a long time.

1026
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 7: We're just trying to get my mom to go home.

1027
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 7: So like, you know, say you.

1028
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 11: Can give that to somebody who's actually in need of it,

1029
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 11: because we didn't need it.

1030
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: And I believe it wasn't your six month old who

1031
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: was most physically impacted. I mean, I'm a mom sagger

1032
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: as a dad, I can't imagine watching my baby be

1033
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: unable to breathe Can you talk about what the physical

1034
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: impacts were like and what the you know, emotional like

1035
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: for you and for your kids.

1036
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, it definitely was heartbreaking for me. He was actually

1037
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 7: the last.

1038
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 11: Person that they were able to get out the car

1039
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 11: because he was in his car seat, which was also

1040
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 11: strapped to a car seat base, and the car seat

1041
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 11: base was drapped into the car. And if you're not

1042
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 11: a person that, I mean, for God's sakes, I still

1043
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 11: struggle with it, and I've been doing it with him

1044
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 11: for a while, and I have other kids that I've

1045
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 11: been doing it with. So if you're not an everyday

1046
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 11: person that is strapping this baby in this car feet,

1047
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 11: then you don't know how to get him out. So

1048
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 11: it took him a while to have to cut the

1049
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 11: actual seat belt and they actual when they bought him in,

1050
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 11: he was still connected.

1051
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 7: To the base.

1052
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 5: Oh my, actually wow.

1053
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 11: So you know, and like when he got when he

1054
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 11: came in, his eyes were closed. There was like foam

1055
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 11: or spit all around his face, all around his mouth,

1056
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 11: and so like I began, like I was screaming, like

1057
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 11: give me a towel, Give me a towel, give me

1058
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 11: something so that I can clear his like face off

1059
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 11: the tear gas office airway, so that I could be

1060
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 11: able to.

1061
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 7: You know, give him mouth to mouth.

1062
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 11: And I just remember doing that, and I remember like

1063
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 11: rubbing his sternum and patting his back.

1064
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 7: I can still giving him more breath. It was. It

1065
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 7: was very horrifying.

1066
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 11: And then like in the mix of that, I hear

1067
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 11: my kids screaming and people were pouring milk all over

1068
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 11: my other kids. And once my other kids finally were

1069
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 11: able to open their eyes and they see what I

1070
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 11: was doing, with the baby. They started screaming my baby

1071
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 11: brother and my baby brother. You know what I'm saying,

1072
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 11: and so like, I just remember I stopped for a

1073
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 11: couple of seconds and I started praying, and I remember

1074
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 11: telling him like, I'm going to give you all my

1075
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 11: breath until you take yours.

1076
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: What a nightmare?

1077
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: Are you guys considering legal action against the government? Have

1078
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: you heard anything from them? Any apology?

1079
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: Nothing?

1080
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 7: No, we haven't heard nothing, never heard anything. We're thinking

1081
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 7: about it.

1082
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 12: We just especially after that comment, that's crazy. I was

1083
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 12: I would expect like, but I mean.

1084
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 11: Even you know, even if my kids weren't out there,

1085
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 11: is it still okay for you guys to do what

1086
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 11: you guys do to people or the kids were there.

1087
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 11: Is it okay for you guys to do that to

1088
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 11: just adults or whoever's there. It's not okay in any

1089
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 11: kind of way. They weren't tear gassing you, they weren't

1090
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Speaker 11: flash banging you.

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Speaker 7: They weren't. It's not okay to do it to anybody.

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Speaker 2: What have you told your kids about? Like, how have

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00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: you explained to your kids what happened?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 7: I just I mean, like we've been talking.

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Speaker 11: I mean, our kids have been having questions about the

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Speaker 11: stuff that's been going on the way before, like what

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00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 11: happened to us happened to us because I mean, we

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Speaker 11: have a middle schooler and then you know, like our

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Speaker 11: are what do you call it, elementary school age? He

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Speaker 11: has Hispanic friends who haven't been coming to school, and

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Speaker 11: my son's been having basketball games canceled because some schools

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00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 11: are predominantly Hispanic and there's not enough team players on

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Speaker 11: the team. And we've just been telling them, like you know,

1105
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Speaker 11: like you know, there are really big things happening right now,

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Speaker 11: and they're not there because they're trying to you know,

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Speaker 11: either they're they've been taken or they're just trying to

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Speaker 11: prevent from being taken.

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Speaker 7: And like now like since.

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Speaker 11: What happened to us happened to us, Like our eleven

1111
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 11: year old is just constantly talking about it, and I'm

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Speaker 11: just I haven't. I'm like, it's you're a part of it.

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Speaker 11: It's you're a part of history. Now it's your story

1114
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Speaker 11: to tell. Don't let anybody silence you. You tell it

1115
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Speaker 11: how you feel it happened, and you know, and like

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Speaker 11: we do, like we're constantly apologizing, like we're sorry, you

1117
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 11: know what I'm saying, like we never meant for that

1118
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Speaker 11: to happen. Like anybody that knows us knows that we're

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Speaker 11: not bad parents at all. We do a tremendously great

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Speaker 11: job at taking care of our kids. Our kids are

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Speaker 11: our world. We had our first kid at fourteen, you know,

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Speaker 11: like wow, and so our kids went to school with us.

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Speaker 11: When I was at basketball practice, he was there, like

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Speaker 11: you know, like and we I mean both of Like

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Speaker 11: his football coach was it's part of Minneapolis Police Department.

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Speaker 11: My basketball coach was a part of Minneapolis Police Department.

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Speaker 11: We're highly connected with them. We still talk to them

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Speaker 11: to this day. So like people know we've been a

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Speaker 11: part of the community for a very long time and

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Speaker 11: we're very respectful people.

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Speaker 7: So it's like people know that we didn't purposely put

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Speaker 7: our kids in harms. Way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's important to hear too the way that

1134
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Speaker 2: even before this that it has impacted life in Minneapolis

1135
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Speaker 2: just trying to go about your your day to day,

1136
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Speaker 2: you know, have you go ahead destiny, I like to.

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Speaker 7: Have my kids.

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Speaker 11: They were asking because like we're always outside with our kids,

1139
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Speaker 11: like not out like either where that's sledding or community

1140
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Speaker 11: centers or anything, and so like when our kids the

1141
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 11: other day, they were asking us, like are they to

1142
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Speaker 11: get a new car, like a car that fits all

1143
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Speaker 11: the bus so that we can you know, like go

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Speaker 11: and do our you know, just our regular And we

1145
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 11: were telling them like, yeah, we are, and they're like, well,

1146
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Speaker 11: we need to get an armored car. And then there's

1147
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Speaker 11: my four year old. There's my four year old daughter

1148
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Speaker 11: who yesterday was sitting and she wanted to have a

1149
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 11: conversation out the blue and she was just like, we

1150
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 11: the police need to lock up the bombers.

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Speaker 7: There are bad people. And I'm like bombers. Who are bombers?

1152
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Speaker 11: Like the people who threw the stuff under our car.

1153
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Speaker 11: There are bad people, they're bombers. They have to get

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Speaker 11: out of here. No, that's my.

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Speaker 7: Four year old.

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Speaker 2: Have you been worried about any sort of like retribution,

1157
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: especially since you've had the courage to speak out and

1158
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Speaker 2: you know and expose some of the lies have been

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Speaker 2: told by the government with regard to this.

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Speaker 7: Yes, we have. We have not slept much. I mean

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Speaker 7: like we have had did all the news interview.

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Speaker 11: So like we're like busy throughout the day, especially with

1163
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Speaker 11: taking cares of school, and you know, coming home and

1164
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 11: just still trying to continue the day of day life

1165
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Speaker 11: on top of like doing things like this. But then

1166
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Speaker 11: also when it's time to go to sleep, we're like

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Speaker 11: alternating on and off, like by the hour, checking our

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Speaker 11: cameras just because we're scared that they're gonna run up

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Speaker 11: in our house, just because we told our story.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys so much for having the courage

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Speaker 2: to tell your story. I think it is quite courageous

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Speaker 2: and I'm really glad that you and your beautiful babies

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Speaker 2: are fine. You do have an absolutely gorgeous family. And

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time to inform

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Speaker 2: our audience about what your experience has been like.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's our pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: There will be a great Friday show for all of

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow. See you all that with the body pick