Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake. As we are in
Speaker 1: tier list season and we are doing first base. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a breeze right first base. Put the
Speaker 1: best hitter you got and let him catch the ball.
Speaker 1: This will be one of the ugliest tier lists we
Speaker 1: do this year. I am joined by Jolly Olive BBD
Speaker 1: and I think you know, we normally like to get
Speaker 1: some tiers in front of you. We have some concepts
Speaker 1: we've discussed. First base might blow some people's minds what
Speaker 1: we're about to stumble into because there is a pack
Speaker 1: of Lamont Wade our guy Vinnie p that I there
Speaker 1: is a middle tier of first baseman that I currently
Speaker 1: don't know how to slice up. Jolly, what was that?
Speaker 1: Was that a dance move?
Speaker 2: It's the only position I didn't get to play in
Speaker 2: Little league. Okay, so I'm a little biased against first basemen.
Speaker 2: They got to live dreams that I never got to live.
Speaker 1: First base is a nightmare.
Speaker 2: But it's a little messy. It's a little short guy,
Speaker 2: But I always wanted to try. I could pick it.
Speaker 2: If it was high, I can't get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't want that. I had a couple games
Speaker 1: and that was just a bad time.
Speaker 2: At least you got those get it first. It's just
Speaker 2: everyone's just looking at you.
Speaker 1: Luckily, these guys are tall. We will find out who
Speaker 1: the shortest player is coming up. Probably a Rise, Probably
Speaker 1: a Rise. He's listed. He had a nice Instagram post,
Speaker 1: him and his wife, a bunch of kids. Everyone is
Speaker 1: looking good.
Speaker 2: Let's spend thirty minutes on that.
Speaker 1: Andrew Vaughan, don't say that to me. We won't start there.
Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna do normally. We we have the list,
Speaker 1: and we I think we have our S tier. There's
Speaker 1: been a couple names thrown out, but we're gonna do
Speaker 1: this traditional tierless style. We're gonna start off S tier
Speaker 1: ABC D, and then we're gonna separate as we go
Speaker 1: because I'll be honest, I'm a little frazzled. The S
Speaker 1: tiers kind of clear. There's a couple guys you can
Speaker 1: negotiate up or down and may maybe we will look
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: That's nice. The whole squad man you show out looks great.
Speaker 1: Miami Rise kind of has a see through shirt going on,
Speaker 1: like that's that's the vibe. That's what I want.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's still a padre right, that didn't change.
Speaker 1: We'll see by the time this comes out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, kind of flexing his wife, kind of
Speaker 2: big time half those slides. We're just her.
Speaker 1: We love that for her. So we're going traditional tierless
Speaker 1: s tier ABCD, and I think we can chew off
Speaker 1: the top jolly. I think we mutually agree that there's
Speaker 1: four that deserve to be at the top. I think
Speaker 1: there's one guy that could make a push for a
Speaker 1: solo one, but he doesn't have quite the resume yet.
Speaker 1: Would you like to dive in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the way I'm sectioning this off is
Speaker 2: the guys that are either getting paid nine figures or
Speaker 2: are going to get paid nine figures as first baseman. Uh.
Speaker 2: The one who's going to paid nine figures is vladimirker
Speaker 2: Or Junior. This is his walky year. He's coming off
Speaker 2: a fantastic bounce back year, bounce back in the way
Speaker 2: that he was always good, but that was a truly great,
Speaker 2: elite caliber season last year. Nine ops, thirty bombs, one
Speaker 2: of three RBIs career one thirty seven ops plus he's
Speaker 2: going to be twenty six. He could get better, you
Speaker 2: never know, uh, And he's gotten better defensively, and we
Speaker 2: know how feared of a slugger he is. He will
Speaker 2: be the ball or the bell of the ball at
Speaker 2: next year's fore agency class. I think I had it
Speaker 2: right and he belongs at the top, no doubt in
Speaker 2: my mind.
Speaker 1: So I think, oddly enough Laddie with what he did
Speaker 1: last year. If there's anyone who has a claim to
Speaker 1: be on top top, it is Vladito. Yes, six point
Speaker 1: two war ninety ops one sixty six ops plus. I
Speaker 1: mean the way he finished last season, and when I
Speaker 1: say finished, I mean basically the second half of the year,
Speaker 1: finished sixth in MVP. I do think I think Gladdy
Speaker 1: grew up a little bit. He's turning twenty six in
Speaker 1: a couple weeks. Youth factor goes for him that there
Speaker 1: may be more in the tank or last season just
Speaker 1: might be the regular. He does have a career one
Speaker 1: thirty seven ops plus, which is lower than I think.
Speaker 1: It's lower than Harper. I believe it's lower than Freddy career,
Speaker 1: and it's lower than Olsen's career. So there's definitely people
Speaker 1: that would come on here and say Olsen should maybe
Speaker 1: be a tiered down. I think I think the two
Speaker 1: arguments that Bryce and Freddy are linked for life. That's
Speaker 1: just how it goes. Olsen and Freddy also linked for life.
Speaker 1: I think Matt Olsen's last year, you can make an
Speaker 1: argument a tier down. I think it was a weird
Speaker 1: year and the year before that, as you've noted, Jolly
Speaker 1: fifty four homers, one hundred and thirty nine rbs and
Speaker 1: six oh four slugging all at the NL.
Speaker 2: A better better than what Vladdie did last year.
Speaker 1: Matt Olson correct put it in context, Matt Olsen has
Speaker 1: played every game the last three seasons.
Speaker 2: And that matters to me.
Speaker 1: That's cool that, Yeah, I think I hope that the
Speaker 1: tierless next year, as Vladimir Guerrero Junior on a tier
Speaker 1: all by himself or maybe with another one of these
Speaker 1: guys like Bryce Harper's still new to first base. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how silly is that in the defense, Like he grades
Speaker 1: out well for a first baseman, which nobody grades out
Speaker 1: well for a first baseman. So that's kind of cool
Speaker 1: to see. And yeah, Matt Olson with a hot April
Speaker 1: could be on track for another fifty homer season. Also,
Speaker 1: Matt Olson thirty two point eight career war.
Speaker 2: Madd Olson's entered like an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'd have to, he'd really have to keep
Speaker 1: it rolling until he's thirty five to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying that he's going to make the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, but I think his interesting conversation is
Speaker 2: he had one quote unquote down year where he was
Speaker 2: still a four or player, hit thirty home runs and
Speaker 2: played every single game, Like, oh, I guess he's not
Speaker 2: among the elite. Adilson's still really really good and he
Speaker 2: definitely belongs up here. So I had like that slight
Speaker 2: moment of like do we move him down? Because you
Speaker 2: can see a world where it's those three and it
Speaker 2: kind of looks right right, But Matt Olson definitely belongs
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 1: I think they all belong. I could see any of
Speaker 1: those players having a better year than everyone else on
Speaker 1: the list, Vladdie with the easiest up potential, and honestly
Speaker 1: Father Time and Freddy when does it happen? Thirty five
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. Last year the numbers ticked down, But
Speaker 1: when I say tick down, one hundred three oh ps plus,
Speaker 1: like they ticked down for Freddy Freeman. He hit three
Speaker 1: point thirty one the year before to eighty two last
Speaker 1: year got six and a half war.
Speaker 2: It's Freddy Freeman, like a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Kind of feels like.
Speaker 1: Well, world series. I'll tell you what also matters, World
Speaker 1: series and being liked by the media. He's been MLB's
Speaker 1: media darling for eight years now.
Speaker 2: I think Freddy's the first bound Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Poppy and he was a d H didn't even.
Speaker 2: Play the field.
Speaker 1: Eh, let's leave that s here. We'll see if we
Speaker 1: need to circle back and separate anything I think we've done.
Speaker 1: I think we've done good there. Do you want to
Speaker 1: do the next tier or do we want to?
Speaker 2: I don't want to some of the bottom I don't
Speaker 2: want to do any of those. I know it's a
Speaker 2: disturbing mess. I have a couple pairings that I like,
Speaker 2: and then after that it's kind of out the wazoo.
Speaker 1: Tyler Soderstrom on the A's of course, please don't say
Speaker 1: that into the microphone had some nice numbers last year.
Speaker 1: Scaring people had some nice numbers last year. Jolly.
Speaker 2: I have Paul Goldschmidt and Carlos Santana group together. They
Speaker 2: got paid roughly the same money and free agency. They
Speaker 2: serve kind of similar roles. They're club first dudes who
Speaker 2: are a little bit on the older side, who can
Speaker 2: still hit at you know, league average above league average.
Speaker 2: I have them somewhere in the middle in a tier
Speaker 2: called your dad's old glove, your dad's old glove, your
Speaker 2: dad's old glove that he gave to you as like
Speaker 2: your first really good like you had your little league
Speaker 2: glove and now you have your first good glove to
Speaker 2: your dad's old glove. He's been using it for years.
Speaker 1: Man Carlos Santana turns thirty nine in April. Damn Paul
Speaker 1: is a young thirty seven and about to have a
Speaker 1: massive season. Uh okay, so BBD naturally put that in
Speaker 1: the Sea tier for now. We can call it your
Speaker 1: dad's old glove. I'll be interested to see if anyone
Speaker 1: we think deserves to be lumped in with them. And
Speaker 1: it's got a very similar contract.
Speaker 2: Open to discussion. Because Paul goldschmianth was in our second
Speaker 2: tier last year next to Bryce.
Speaker 1: Harper, Well Goldie took a step back, and we're talking
Speaker 1: about Matt Olsen and could he reach Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: and Harper Freddy like Paul Goldschman's got that sixty two
Speaker 1: point eight war in the bag and he had an
Speaker 1: eight hundred ops in the second half of last year.
Speaker 1: Does he find the porch a couple of times? The
Speaker 1: pin stripes? The pin stripes?
Speaker 2: What's look at Paul Golchmith's Sprayshart, Are you getting it?
Speaker 2: Did he go with any home runs like one opo home?
Speaker 2: You went for a homer twice last year?
Speaker 1: It's PPP prep season. A lot of the nerd sites
Speaker 1: do say he will pep with that porch? Well, he
Speaker 1: would have. I think he would have gained like three
Speaker 1: homers as a yank last year. We'll figure that out.
Speaker 1: Two years removed from MVP one. Yeah, and uh hey,
Speaker 1: maybe he needs to wipe the cardinal off of him
Speaker 1: just a little bit. Uh tell me, who is your
Speaker 1: favorite cardinal free agent signing this year? That's rude, blank
Speaker 1: blank space.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: We are recording this February tenth, that should be noted.
Speaker 2: The Piaveta welcome, come on down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Mets.
Speaker 2: No, we don't need a picture to who to Saint Louis. Okay,
Speaker 2: he looks like a cardinal.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? No, he does. Let's see what
Speaker 1: the Olds do this year as they are fighting for ground.
Speaker 1: Paul goldschmid seven point four War, three point one War,
Speaker 1: one point three War. So there's a nervous side of that.
Speaker 1: Carlos Santana was kinda on that boat and last year
Speaker 1: just said, fuck it was bad. So we respect your
Speaker 1: dad's old glove. Let's see what gets filled in above them.
Speaker 1: Let's jump to the second tier. When we go from Olsen, Harper,
Speaker 1: Vladito and Freddy, I guess who's the first name.
Speaker 2: I think it's Pete, which is weird because I feel
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent confidence saying that, but I feel
Speaker 2: like he can't go any lower than that, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's the biggest home run bat on this list.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's twenty twenty five. Yes, you get
Speaker 1: paid in free agency for what you're about to do,
Speaker 1: you don't get paid for what you've done that. I
Speaker 1: think the two names that were the hot topic at
Speaker 1: first base this offseason, Pete and Christian Walker, both have
Speaker 1: their argument. Pete's going to get at least thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars to play baseball for this upcoming season, and if
Speaker 1: he plays well, he will cash in even more than that,
Speaker 1: or he's got an insurance policy for next year. Christian
Speaker 1: Walker got the contract everyone kind of expected, and it's
Speaker 1: the whole two way. He leads every defensive first base
Speaker 1: metric you could possibly look into while being a very consistent.
Speaker 1: But I haven't looked at Christian Walker's numbers. He was
Speaker 1: a hot topic of this free agency and then he
Speaker 1: wasn't ops plus the last three years one twenty one
Speaker 1: and he's won the Gold Glove all three of those years.
Speaker 1: His war has gone down per year. He will be
Speaker 1: turning thirty four on March twenty eighth. Is that opening day?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I'm very interested to see. Arizona's a good
Speaker 1: place to hit. That's been a good lineup. He was
Speaker 1: very comfortable there.
Speaker 2: These two feel linked to they currently are. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: just feel like, like in the same way that like
Speaker 2: Freddy and Olson are kind of always connected. These two
Speaker 2: feel like they're gonna be connected even though they're very
Speaker 2: different players. Yes, like Walker's glove first and like very
Speaker 2: consistent offensively. Pete definitely not a glove first dude, but
Speaker 2: he has like the offensive volatility where like one year
Speaker 2: he could put up forty six homers and people aren't
Speaker 2: gonna be like surprised, you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, maybe this year I'd like that, you think so
Speaker 1: I'd like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And Uncle Steve's got to get that check book out.
Speaker 2: I think he's good for it.
Speaker 1: What if he wants flatty pork dose.
Speaker 2: There's a DH spot in the National League.
Speaker 1: Now Pete to third. Okay, let's party the dos. I
Speaker 1: think those two begin this. The question is my one
Speaker 1: other name here feels wrong? Okay, but then you look
Speaker 1: at his page and he absolutely belongs to be next
Speaker 1: to some of these guys.
Speaker 2: But maybe not.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm having a really tough time with Nathaniel Lowe. I
Speaker 2: think we all are at a really tough time with them.
Speaker 2: He's never been below the average offensively in his six
Speaker 2: year career. Last year he was a one twenty ops plus.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the home run power that Pete does,
Speaker 2: and doesn't have quite the glove that Walker does, but
Speaker 2: he kind of feels like a hodgepodge of the two.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely more doubles than Homer's.
Speaker 1: Won the Silver Slugger in twenty two, won the Gold
Speaker 1: Glove in twenty three, and last year he had a
Speaker 1: very Nathaniel low season, and.
Speaker 2: He just feels better than the guys that are going
Speaker 2: to be below them.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Okay, here's a weird sniff test. Okay,
Speaker 1: White Texas trade him.
Speaker 2: I think it's so Jake Berger has more years of control,
Speaker 2: and I guess they wanted to swap in one guy
Speaker 2: for less money. He was more years of control. But
Speaker 2: I do think that Nathaniel loves the better player get
Speaker 2: a little more powerful.
Speaker 1: I just signed John, they signed Jock, so that's your
Speaker 1: lefty DH replacement. It's great for the next I guess
Speaker 1: they got Burger at a good value. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's just been one that's thrown me off. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about you know, your network is your net worth? Wow,
Speaker 1: Christian Walker got the contract maybe plus a year than
Speaker 1: what people were expecting or I don't know. In the range.
Speaker 1: Pete was chasing AAV and blew his cover that he
Speaker 1: wanted to be a met, but he didn't get the
Speaker 1: full contract he was expecting.
Speaker 2: He will be the highest paid for his spapes in
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Lowe was traded for Robert Garcia, and the whole
Speaker 1: thing throws me off. It was from California. Robert Garcia
Speaker 1: is from California.
Speaker 2: And Robert Garcia is good. He's got three nasty pitches.
Speaker 2: But it felt just like a years of control type thing,
Speaker 2: which is a good way to build your roster.
Speaker 1: And it was a team that was pretty desperate for bullpen.
Speaker 2: Health right, and the Marlins were dumb enough to trade
Speaker 2: Jake Berger who still had like tons of control. So, like,
Speaker 2: I get it from that standpoint. And this is about
Speaker 2: Nathaniel the player. Not really like him getting traded. It's
Speaker 2: just a weird discussion. Like I still don't really know
Speaker 2: why it happened.
Speaker 1: Maybe Robert Garcia is good, he had a negative war
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: I don't where do you want to put him?
Speaker 1: Jacob, So there's Pete and Christian Walker, sure lump together
Speaker 1: for life. I like Nathaniel Lowe. I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: that's tormenting me, Wilson Contrara's I hate these here. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he can play the position, but if
Speaker 1: you tell me the hitter, I like, go look at
Speaker 1: his offensive stats since and like these numbers, we'll probably
Speaker 1: get better.
Speaker 2: That You'd think he doesn't have to catch. You'd think,
Speaker 2: so does he? In the second tier of a position
Speaker 2: that he's never played. I think I draw the line there.
Speaker 2: I've never seen him play it. I don't know how
Speaker 2: it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Look well, like his bat's not that good, but it's good.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get old headed out like he's tier.
Speaker 2: He's a name value list. It currently kind of is
Speaker 2: name value list. So who's who?
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Lowe?
Speaker 2: Third tier is good?
Speaker 1: Wilson contrere is. I'm just gonna yell some names real quick,
Speaker 1: is there? I'm gonna yell every name. How about this,
Speaker 1: here's a fun exercise. Okay, every name that I'm currently
Speaker 1: looking at that's frustrating me on what their value is.
Speaker 1: Josh Naylor, he has an argument, Sure, he has an
Speaker 1: argument cosas yes and no, he's got to do it
Speaker 1: for like a year, but his stats are.
Speaker 2: But now he's got that full one sixty two and
Speaker 2: it's nice.
Speaker 1: Right, but he's got to do that for a full
Speaker 1: one sixty two, Like would you rather? Would you rather
Speaker 1: have a first base next year? Paul Goldschmid, Carlos Santana
Speaker 1: or Tristan Cassas, Tristan Trists and Cossas. So that's coming up.
Speaker 1: But I'm not even frustrated with that. I can figure
Speaker 1: that out. Vinny p might be too close to the
Speaker 1: sun there. That is what it is. We'll get there.
Speaker 1: Rhys Hoskins mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I'm a little lower on him.
Speaker 1: I am too, but also am I.
Speaker 2: It's the it's the leg injury, okay.
Speaker 1: Lamont Wade Junior on.
Speaker 2: Base God, I think he's like, I think he led
Speaker 2: first base in an on base percentage last year. I
Speaker 2: don't don't need second.
Speaker 1: Wilson and Treres I already talked about that. YONDI Diaz
Speaker 1: get rid of his slow start and he was a
Speaker 1: baller again. I think there there's some nerd stat that
Speaker 1: he was top eighty fifth percent tile and sweet Spot contest,
Speaker 1: Sage and the biggest hammer.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 1: And then Nathaniel low like, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how to separate these.
Speaker 2: So I've got some ideas. Sure, I think that we
Speaker 2: make the B tier the my brain hurts tier, and
Speaker 2: we just throw all these guys in there because they
Speaker 2: all have like a hitch right. Wilson has never played
Speaker 2: the position before.
Speaker 1: He's never played first.
Speaker 2: Casas doesn't have the full season. Nathaniel Lowe has just
Speaker 2: kind of been good, not great, And I don't mean
Speaker 2: that in a negative way. He's just been a solid,
Speaker 2: good first baseman. But but Alonzo and Walker have had
Speaker 2: great season.
Speaker 1: They can be game changers, right, game changer.
Speaker 2: Naylor hasn't played your position right, doesn't rack up war.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, did he had defense? Did he get
Speaker 1: boosted by Cleveland getting rid of some outfield seats last year?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I forgot about that. That was weird.
Speaker 1: His numbers landed, They're fine. The thirty one homer stand
Speaker 1: out more than the ops plus the county. Okay, I
Speaker 1: feel better with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Defensively he played with three other like great defenders are
Speaker 1: like yeah, like I feel like otherwise bad defense where
Speaker 1: he'd have to be scooping more like, do we talk
Speaker 1: about he's not a great defender. I was worried there
Speaker 1: was gonna be a much bigger conversation for Josh Naylor
Speaker 1: to be up on this list.
Speaker 2: I don't think there is.
Speaker 1: He he slowed down in the second half last year.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize to what degree. In the first half
Speaker 1: last year twenty two homers and eight one six ops.
Speaker 1: He slowed down in the second half.
Speaker 2: So okay with him like me and Dalton. Both the
Speaker 2: dbacs acquired their new designated hitter, not their new first baseman,
Speaker 2: and he's their first baseman now, so we'll see easy.
Speaker 1: So let's let's all right, let's put those Okay, So
Speaker 1: who's up there. That's Wilson, that's Low, that's Cassas, and
Speaker 1: that's Nailer and then Vinnie. Who would you rather have
Speaker 1: next year? Goldie Santana or Vinnie Vinnie Vinnie. A part
Speaker 1: of me, I'm thinking that row is gonna become two rows.
Speaker 1: A part of me was just gonna say, like, make
Speaker 1: that into two rows. My brain hurts, Please make my
Speaker 1: brain hurt. Oh and that's Vinnie and Casus. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: open to that. Let's make two rows there. We're gonna
Speaker 1: need two rows.
Speaker 2: Because they also kind of feel like they go together.
Speaker 1: Cassas has just done more right, but he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a full season. Cassas has done it at a higher level.
Speaker 1: I should say not having the full season hurts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they both, Yeah, they're both. They're they're high in games.
Speaker 2: Is one thirty one and one thirty two for these
Speaker 2: two guys.
Speaker 1: They again, I'm an OPS plus guy nowadays. Sure, Cossas
Speaker 1: won twenty five ann he won six one twelve career.
Speaker 1: Who's won eighteen last year?
Speaker 2: Kaufman's tough.
Speaker 1: Coffin's tough.
Speaker 2: Fenway not tough fen Way, know it's tough.
Speaker 1: I might have just read the Rock stats. I was
Speaker 1: on Josh Naylor's page. Benny, where'd you go? There's Bennie
Speaker 1: Vinni's a career one sixteen ops plus. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be He's twenty seven, this is gonna be his.
Speaker 1: I mean he's really only got one full season and
Speaker 1: that was last year.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They're kind of the same class,
Speaker 2: Like they're both young people are both really excited for
Speaker 2: what they can do, but also nervous because they haven't.
Speaker 1: Seen s get the full year and be a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where does Lamont Wade go? Has anyone ever seen him
Speaker 1: play baseball? Honest question?
Speaker 2: Isn't he more an outfielder?
Speaker 1: Not so much as stop. I think he's a great
Speaker 1: picker and not much else going on Defensively. I know
Speaker 1: there's some nerd stuff about, like he hits velocity and
Speaker 1: spin both very well.
Speaker 2: His on base was one tick lower than his slug
Speaker 2: that's his game.
Speaker 1: He gets on base.
Speaker 2: He gets on base, that's valuable. That's extreme.
Speaker 1: Have you seen moneyball?
Speaker 2: I heard playing first base is easy. That's what I heard.
Speaker 1: The last two years, two hundred and fifty two games,
Speaker 1: he's gone on at a three seventy six clip proposal.
Speaker 2: Okay, Lamont Wade does not great out well defensively at
Speaker 2: first base and can hit. Do we agree on that?
Speaker 1: I think I can agree with that.
Speaker 2: Y Diaz does not grade out well defensively and can hit.
Speaker 1: I think I have another guy too, Luis.
Speaker 2: Arias does not it out well defensively and can hit.
Speaker 2: That feels like a.
Speaker 1: Group a couple batting title winners. There they.
Speaker 2: Are contact over you just talk to me out of
Speaker 2: Wade being in there?
Speaker 1: Now, Well.
Speaker 2: You totally did.
Speaker 1: Oh all three of them lead off?
Speaker 2: Do they really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I kind of love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one one b hitting one and one something like that,
Speaker 1: one hitting one, one hitting one, one hitting one. Put
Speaker 1: that's above Goldie and Santana. Oh question Mark. The Olds
Speaker 1: are flying down the board.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel right about them below. I think it's above.
Speaker 2: Who would you rather have?
Speaker 1: If I think, if we're being honest, I would rather
Speaker 1: have Louis Arise Yandi is Lamont Wade gets interesting, but
Speaker 1: every stat tells me I would if you could tell
Speaker 1: me Lamont Wade Junior could get on at a three
Speaker 1: seventy three clip in front of Aaron Judge next year,
Speaker 1: I would love Lamont Wage.
Speaker 2: And that that question is not who would you rather
Speaker 2: have on the Yankees? It's would you rather have on
Speaker 2: a baseball team? Like take out defensive issues, whatever construction
Speaker 2: of the roster, like who what what's the better player?
Speaker 2: I think the three of them move above, And it's
Speaker 2: it's an age conversation too, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like fall off? They could, they could fall bad.
Speaker 1: There's an argument that Paul Goldschmid has already already pinky old,
Speaker 1: isn't it Yandy turns thirty four in August? That's okay, Cuban.
Speaker 2: I like the way we sorted that out.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we have some things happening.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of tears.
Speaker 1: Good Wilson contraras Wilson. I mean, if he can catch
Speaker 1: the ball, he's going up.
Speaker 2: He caught the ball for many years of his life.
Speaker 2: Get a whole position named after it.
Speaker 1: If his offensive season is repeated and he's fine at first,
Speaker 1: I need to see the guy play first base. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that had problems catching.
Speaker 2: Can I just say this is the weirdest contract of
Speaker 2: the past five years is the Wilson Contrats Cardinals contract.
Speaker 1: Because they keep being mean to You're not our catcher
Speaker 1: and you're the reason we're losing. Actually, you will catch, though,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to trade anybody in the season,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna let everyone go and we're gonna
Speaker 1: make you a first baseman even though you want to
Speaker 1: be a catcher. He smells of a trade.
Speaker 2: There's four years left on the deal.
Speaker 1: But if he hits and he can catch balls at
Speaker 1: first base.
Speaker 2: They need to full reset.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, that's how they reset.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: God, don't trade him to Seattle. And there's my Seattle
Speaker 1: Mariner shrap real, which brings us to Luke Raley some
Speaker 1: numbers that like him. I'm just gonna get Jonah bride
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: See, this is the problem with the bottom is that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that have like one thing
Speaker 2: going from.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's let's clean up the bottom. I think Colt
Speaker 1: Keith hasn't seen him play the position. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him play haven't seen him hit. I hope he has
Speaker 1: a very nice career. We thought we thought you were
Speaker 1: a Tree Sweeney last time.
Speaker 2: He did think you were.
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of appearances on this.
Speaker 2: We didn't mean that.
Speaker 1: Anyone want to go to battle for Spencer Horowitz.
Speaker 2: You could hit a little bit. I feel bad putting
Speaker 2: him at the bottom.
Speaker 1: I kind of do too.
Speaker 2: He's got after.
Speaker 1: Strum, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Tyler.
Speaker 1: Watch ball. Whyika there is no time for this?
Speaker 2: Why did he have a one? Fourteen ops plus?
Speaker 1: It's pretty brief but still a lot of games. He's
Speaker 1: like he was a real prospect.
Speaker 2: His first round pick.
Speaker 1: Was Oakland a's hit. Damn, no time for this kind
Speaker 1: of true.
Speaker 2: Andrew vaugh Bottom kind of feels like we know who
Speaker 2: he is at this point.
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't I bought some Andrew Vaughn stock.
Speaker 1: Really I would love to get him anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Twenty homers, seven fifty ops.
Speaker 1: Damn really no.
Speaker 2: Nuts yr No. In my head, he had one in
Speaker 2: my head. It was twenty twenty one, but he was
Speaker 2: a rookie in my head.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two he was like legit good, which like
Speaker 1: these are good numbers, but as a twenty four year old,
Speaker 1: that's a very nice season in twenty twenty two for
Speaker 1: Andrew vaugh I thought we were building something.
Speaker 2: I mean, go ahead and make an argument for Andrew Bond.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no. The bottom of this
Speaker 1: list Jonah Bride, Sorry, new friend, but yeah, like you
Speaker 1: know these young guys, you can talk yourself into Spencer Horrowich, Sure,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something in there.
Speaker 2: I think that might be a teer.
Speaker 1: Michael Toglia, Like he hit, he hit twenty five last year.
Speaker 1: He's a Spencer Steer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Spencer. I have Shanwell and that young guys.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about conversation like what is he? Like?
Speaker 1: Does Cold Keith deserve to be with the young guys?
Speaker 1: He's had a full rookie year, slow starting good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is he?
Speaker 1: I thought the numbers were a lot worse. Okay, how
Speaker 1: about the second to last tier before the olds? Yep,
Speaker 1: put Cold Keith up there?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hey, real prospect. He I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how close the league average the season got last year.
Speaker 2: So we're doing like a young guy's tier.
Speaker 1: Then, yes, these are guys that we have hope for okay,
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at Chanel Januel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another like high draft pick. They didn't sign
Speaker 2: a first baseman because they believe in him.
Speaker 1: Solder shrum Hive. Yeah wrong, right now?
Speaker 2: Another first round pick? Is this the first round picks?
Speaker 2: Tire these guys all first round picks?
Speaker 1: A first round pick?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 1: Cole Keith is a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2: Andrew was the third overall.
Speaker 1: I have some Andrew va on SoC and I'm still
Speaker 1: sitting on it.
Speaker 2: Who went after Andrew?
Speaker 1: Trade him to a good team.
Speaker 2: Do you know who went one and two in Indre
Speaker 2: Von's draft, Adley Rushman and Bobby but Jr.
Speaker 1: I'm still a Vaughn guy, Riley Green two picks later,
Speaker 1: j J. Bolda Carroll, I have Andrew Vaughn stock and
Speaker 1: it's going back. But maybe this is the year. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is the year. Like where does Michael Bush go? Man?
Speaker 2: Bush goes above these guys?
Speaker 1: I think, where do the Orioles belong with Michael? Michael
Speaker 1: Bush had almost three war last year, full season. Here's
Speaker 1: what we're doing, Top one hundred prospect. Here's what he
Speaker 1: goes with Vinnie and Cassas. Yeah right, I'd like him
Speaker 1: to make my brain hurt. Rights.
Speaker 2: Plus, he's he's the only one with a full season
Speaker 2: lefty right, Yeah, yeah, he does, he does. I think
Speaker 2: he has more war than Passquatch and he's only played
Speaker 2: one year.
Speaker 1: That's fine. He's still a top one hundred prospect entering
Speaker 1: last season.
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather have him over Louise Orias.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I mean, Louis rises a wrench in every conversation,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying kind of doesn't play defense, has an
Speaker 1: argument for best contact hit or we've seen I'd rather
Speaker 1: have the guy that can also hit right. It starts
Speaker 1: getting into your team a little bit. And Michael Bush
Speaker 1: what if he gets better?
Speaker 2: Right? All three of those guys have the youth factor.
Speaker 1: The reason Michael Bush is a Cub is the Dodgers
Speaker 1: just didn't have room for him.
Speaker 2: Literally didn't have room on the roster for him to play.
Speaker 1: Who's in on Luke Rayley? Is that? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Is that how you normally start conversations.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was not popular at the Super Bowl. He
Speaker 1: feels like he belongs.
Speaker 2: With Oh my god, is he not an outfielder?
Speaker 1: He had one great year last year.
Speaker 2: Stats last year he's been good for multiple years.
Speaker 1: He's playing first base for the Mariners.
Speaker 2: That's so messed up that they would do that to us.
Speaker 1: By the time this is out, maybe they've signed Justin
Speaker 1: Turner and really will return to the outfield. But he's played.
Speaker 1: He's played a lot of first base in his life. Also,
Speaker 1: damn it, Luke Rayley is he in my brain hurts?
Speaker 1: It's a little bit, man, it's a little bit. I
Speaker 1: think his savant is also pretty at times. There's actually
Speaker 1: a dark horse position for him. I think Luke Rayley
Speaker 1: got some leadoff run last year.
Speaker 2: Let's check today.
Speaker 1: Let's check. Maybe I dreamt that the leading Okay, he
Speaker 1: let off. He let off like eight times last year,
Speaker 1: So I don't think three games started up there. My
Speaker 1: brain has that in it, but I don't know how
Speaker 1: to do anything else.
Speaker 2: I have him in my brain hurts. He's the epitome
Speaker 2: of my brain hurts. I didn't think about Luke Raley
Speaker 2: at all before this tier list, and I just discovered
Speaker 2: that he is.
Speaker 1: Now, do you brain hurts or please make my brain hurt?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's You'd rather have Luke Raley than Tristan Cassas.
Speaker 1: That is a lie.
Speaker 2: That's a lie.
Speaker 1: The test came back and said that.
Speaker 2: Was that's a lie. But that's a that's a name
Speaker 2: value thing. Dude.
Speaker 1: We're getting name valued pretty hard.
Speaker 2: We're getting name valued because Luke Raley is objectively, right
Speaker 2: now a better player than Tristan Cassas, which is a
Speaker 2: crazy statement because even I don't believe.
Speaker 1: That Luke Raley is six four two thirty five. Okay,
Speaker 1: like sprint guys, I was about to ask what sprint
Speaker 1: speed you've got on He's like NIF or something. What
Speaker 1: Grayley flies? Luke Rayley's a.
Speaker 2: Glitch eighty eightieth percentime ninety split. The difference, everything about
Speaker 2: him that I've learned in the past five minutes. It's
Speaker 2: made my brain hurt.
Speaker 1: He's up there, He's like a lot of center fields.
Speaker 2: And you owe it to Mariners fans? You do? You do?
Speaker 2: You owe it to Mars fans. You're so mean to them.
Speaker 1: This hurts my brain.
Speaker 2: You look like brain hurts.
Speaker 1: This is there's something beautiful about this, and there's something
Speaker 1: horrible about this. I know I have Yankee syndrome, but
Speaker 1: in my head, Goldie and Carlos Santana could have fine
Speaker 1: years this season. Yondy arise, I expect to have very
Speaker 1: strong seasons at what they do Wade. The expectations not there.
Speaker 1: But he gets on base, and that's how the Oakland
Speaker 1: Athletics almost won something. Barry Zito, Nope.
Speaker 2: Tim Hudson, no, think you older because Scott Hadiberg got
Speaker 2: on base, Sully.
Speaker 1: That reference was for my sister x Files, who's not
Speaker 1: even on the board right now. Why don't you say
Speaker 1: anything about Spencer Steer? Are you scared?
Speaker 2: I have no thoughts on him. I have him. Okay,
Speaker 2: do you want to hear.
Speaker 1: My you have? Where would you have? Have you had
Speaker 1: had him?
Speaker 2: Your brain's fully broken thought, here's my tier at the bottom.
Speaker 2: You're righty, at the bottom, below your dad's old glove.
Speaker 2: I have Jake Berger, I have the two Orioles first Baseman,
Speaker 2: I have Steer, and I have Hoskins. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what I'm calling this tear, but they kind of
Speaker 2: just feel like.
Speaker 1: It feels kind of wrong for him to be below
Speaker 1: the old But now I feel like we're getting rude
Speaker 1: to Santana.
Speaker 2: Now we're getting really rude to Santa.
Speaker 1: You can almost pencil Jake Berder and for thirty.
Speaker 2: Homers you look like you're having a horrible time.
Speaker 1: I am, I mean, I'm maybe is it something about
Speaker 1: like how are you hitting thirty homers? And there's part
Speaker 1: of this that makes me just want to do it
Speaker 1: as a thirty person tier list and just do like
Speaker 1: a gun to my head. Who do I want at
Speaker 1: third base next year? Or first base? Jonah Bride your
Speaker 1: last And I'm sorry, dude, and I don't know you,
Speaker 1: and you're probably a nice cat. See your first round pick?
Speaker 1: Why do I care?
Speaker 2: He was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty third round pick, Jonah Bride. Don't look at.
Speaker 2: His ok Here's here's what we're doing, and this is final. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's what we're doing. We're putting Bride and Vaughan together
Speaker 2: with the whole hodgepodge of the young guys who haven't
Speaker 2: really proved it yet but we're like weirdly interested in.
Speaker 2: So it's like Jose Miranda Spencer, Horowitz, Michael Tolia, Sean Well, Colt, Keith,
Speaker 2: Jonah Bride, Soderstrom, Vaughan. That's a tier. All of them are.
Speaker 1: Just a tier one line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one line, because that's that's what it is. That's
Speaker 2: what it is. Any one of them could break out
Speaker 2: and become great. But you have no idea because all
Speaker 2: they've done is had like either brief stretches of greatness
Speaker 2: were great two years ago, or they're just a high
Speaker 2: draft pick. So we expect them to be great, but
Speaker 2: he can't really say anything else about them. And if
Speaker 2: we keep dwelling, our brains are gonna combust.
Speaker 1: I like Nolan Shanuel, you're on your own.
Speaker 2: Kid.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be twenty turns twenty three on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2: Let can we make this tier? Let someone be mad
Speaker 2: about this? Just let someone be mad about it. That's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, almost every fan base should be.
Speaker 2: Let someone be mad at this. You're mad about it,
Speaker 2: I'm mad. Yeah, you're mad about this, and you gotta
Speaker 2: let Andrew Vaughn go. You're hurting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring up Ree Hoskins, right y?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: All right? How about this? Okay, Reese Hoskins, and Jake
Speaker 1: Berger currently deserve each other.
Speaker 2: Okay, drinking buddies, not the name of a tier. They
Speaker 2: just look like they would be drinking buddies. They both
Speaker 2: work at a construction site.
Speaker 1: Reeese one of the nicer guys in baseball. Jake Burger
Speaker 1: has to be. Name's Jake Berger? Who else belongs with them?
Speaker 1: Pardon me? Has all of these guys together, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you can reason there's a chance at thirty homers. Are
Speaker 1: we being too harsh on Reees for one year on
Speaker 1: a bad leg?
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the leg going forward decently, worried about that.
Speaker 1: The numbers didn't land in an awful spot.
Speaker 2: No, he kind of had like it's a down year
Speaker 2: after a leg injury. He had goldies year offensively, but
Speaker 2: he didn't have anywhere closer to that defensively, which is
Speaker 2: why I'm harding him the numbers. The numbers are pretty similar.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, I'm not even gonna say that sentence because
Speaker 1: that would just blow up the whole thing.
Speaker 2: What's that? No, you gotta say?
Speaker 1: Come on, could Reese have a better year than Wilson?
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think it's baseball. Anything
Speaker 1: can happen. Okay, Jose Miranda's on the bottom. You can't
Speaker 1: look at him anymore. Had the most hits ever consecutively
Speaker 1: that your cousin made Hamilton great? Yeah, how about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it gets overlooked pretty quick. You think my job's cool.
Speaker 1: Cousin Hammy Zach saw it this weekend. Ever, tweeted Zach,
Speaker 1: who's not on the board currently, Spencer Steer has to
Speaker 1: go with the pile at the bottom. The four names
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, well, Spencer Steers out them. The three
Speaker 1: names I'm looking at are Jake Berger, Rhys Hoskins and
Speaker 1: both Orioles. But as one man.
Speaker 2: And I have those three and Steer as a tier
Speaker 2: above the young guys.
Speaker 1: You're putting Steer above. Yes, you have some Spencer Steer style.
Speaker 2: I do know about.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that.
Speaker 2: I think Steer is going to get better now that
Speaker 2: he has one position. If you look at his baseball reference,
Speaker 2: each of the last two years, he's played six different positions.
Speaker 2: I'll say he was good back to back twenty homer seasons.
Speaker 2: I think he's a good player. I think he deserves
Speaker 2: to be above the bottom tier for sure. Who would
Speaker 2: rather have next year Spencer Steer? Paul?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's the point I don't think, Paul. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've made you lose love for Paul.
Speaker 1: Yes, kind isn't what I expected. No. I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's something to being a certain level of reliable. I
Speaker 1: think Paul and Carlos should bring for one more summer
Speaker 1: slash one of them probably won't. We know they can
Speaker 1: pick it, Yes, Steer, I know there is a guy
Speaker 1: who like hasn't been good at any position. I kind
Speaker 1: of want to rename that one more summer question mark.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with them because I think that's what they're
Speaker 1: looking for, Just one more summer.
Speaker 2: One more summer for old times sake.
Speaker 1: So, babes, you've cleared the board. On that page, every
Speaker 1: available to us is on the board.
Speaker 2: I have them. Yeah, but now we can.
Speaker 1: Do some So now we have to finagle.
Speaker 2: That was my rationale for the BOTTB tier. Let's just
Speaker 2: get him on there and then we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Top tier is what it is. It's very good baseball players, Okay,
Speaker 1: Pete and Christian Walker. Do they deserve their own tier
Speaker 1: over Wilson, Contraras, Nathaniel Lowe, Josh Naylor, Grayley? What what
Speaker 1: did we just don't land?
Speaker 2: He absolutely belongs up there.
Speaker 1: I cannot say that. I can't say that with a
Speaker 1: clean conscious. I cannot Where do you want to put him?
Speaker 1: I'd put him a tear down, make my brain hurt.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, Jolly, you want to play games.
Speaker 2: He's not mad.
Speaker 1: I've got a.
Speaker 2: Game, Mariners. Make you mad. I understand this.
Speaker 1: Hey, you play a lot of out of the park baseball.
Speaker 1: You're putting together a team I do. Hey, Jolly, you
Speaker 1: could have and money doesn't matter. Let's say your owner,
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen, would you rather have Luisa Rise or Luke
Speaker 1: Rayley for first base to be your first baseman in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I'm picking Luke Rayley.
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Luise Rice cannot play the position.
Speaker 1: Yandi Diaz or Luke Rayley.
Speaker 2: Yandi's a little more interesting because I think Yandi's a
Speaker 2: little better defensively. He's got a little more popp.
Speaker 1: What do you do? You have Luke Rayley being prime
Speaker 1: John Olrood at first ball?
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, this is a guy that played corner
Speaker 2: of field well, so I have to imagine he plays
Speaker 2: first base well.
Speaker 1: I mean, he shouldn't even be in this conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought he was gonna be in the left
Speaker 2: fight tier.
Speaker 1: Why you should be mad at the Mariners rated out
Speaker 1: poorly at first base last year. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get over, Luke real, Jake, it's your show. I'm
Speaker 1: getting over.
Speaker 2: Let's move him down. You move him down.
Speaker 1: He's moved down for now.
Speaker 2: One being bading one. That's right.
Speaker 1: Paid. Pete and Christian Walker be on their own tier.
Speaker 1: I think the tops.
Speaker 2: I think so because they just got paid like it.
Speaker 2: I don't see any of the well we know for
Speaker 2: a fact controllers didn't get paid like them. He got
Speaker 2: paid less. I don't think Nailor is going to get
Speaker 2: paid like that, And I don't think Nathaniel lo is
Speaker 2: gonna get paid like that.
Speaker 1: Pete and Christian Walker can be game changers for your season.
Speaker 1: Christian Walker plays the whole year offense and defense. You're
Speaker 1: looking at thirty homers, five war Pete Alonso. If he
Speaker 1: has a Pete season, he can put up a forty
Speaker 1: five homer season. You feel that, yep. I think that
Speaker 1: separates them from everyone else currently, So I'm okay with that,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: And then like you can even just play the resume
Speaker 2: game too, Like, how many great years do do Pete
Speaker 2: and Walker have compared to the guys below them? Say
Speaker 2: more Contrarest gets unfortunately snake bitten because he's never played
Speaker 2: the position. If he had two years of first base,
Speaker 2: even one year of first base, he'd go in my
Speaker 2: second tier. But he's never played the position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess it'll be interesting. Bryce Harper. Bryce
Speaker 1: Harper has changed the tone. Yeah, first basily I got
Speaker 1: to see it. First first base became the oh he
Speaker 1: actually first base isn't easy to play, and Harper's kind
Speaker 1: of been like I figured it out. Let's see what
Speaker 1: Willie does. So Wilson Contreri's Nathaniel Lowe, Josh Naylor. I
Speaker 1: feel okay with that.
Speaker 2: I think I feel okay with that too.
Speaker 1: Costas is a tough one for me. I think he's
Speaker 1: really good. He's never played what's his most games played.
Speaker 2: In a seasons?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What was that last year's War?
Speaker 1: I don't know how his defense is going to rank out.
Speaker 1: I know his foot speed is slow, and trade him.
Speaker 1: I don't really know. They were begging the Mariners to
Speaker 1: take him. It feels like they got Luke.
Speaker 2: Then you're gonna say that I knew the next word.
Speaker 1: And Marrier's outfield is stacked. I have I don't know
Speaker 1: what he's of respect for Luke Raley while being offended
Speaker 1: by him.
Speaker 2: I have him below this tier now, who Louke Crayley?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like what contreres can be at first base. I
Speaker 1: know what I'm getting from Nathaniel Lowe. I kind of
Speaker 1: know what I'm getting from Naylor. Does he need to
Speaker 1: go down for you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Are we overvaluing him?
Speaker 2: I don't think we are at all.
Speaker 1: Well, Luke Grayley doesn't hit lefties at all.
Speaker 2: Good exposed?
Speaker 1: What? Okay, how much of a gap should there be
Speaker 1: between Josh Naylor and Jake Berger?
Speaker 2: Oh? Right, now, there's a massive gap between.
Speaker 1: Currently on our tier list. There's a massive gap. Jake
Speaker 1: Berger was real good. I drove by his childhood home.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, I'm just I just make video essays. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I asked me the hard hitting questions.
Speaker 1: Naylor has a leg up on Burger.
Speaker 2: Jake Berger's here last year is not that Good's the
Speaker 2: league average bat and worth worth less than replacement level
Speaker 2: at first base, and he played one hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: seven games. I don't feel that bad about him being
Speaker 2: that low, But I do appreciate your question about me.
Speaker 2: I just I try to talk.
Speaker 1: Things through in one second half. That's what helps me.
Speaker 2: It's a name value thing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It exists.
Speaker 1: Cassas, Passquatch, Bush, and Luke Rayley, all lefties, all young,
Speaker 1: all with a chance to be very really good.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be thirty. I think Raley goes down. Those
Speaker 2: three are such a tier. Really just doesn't. He doesn't fit.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit older, he's not a first baseman.
Speaker 2: He's in a corner outfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you he's going to be
Speaker 1: better than Lamont Wade.
Speaker 2: And he's a platoon player, and maybe he should bat
Speaker 2: lead off. That's the thing for me. Really is a
Speaker 2: platoon player. The other three aren't. They're gonna play every day,
Speaker 2: they're every day first baseman.
Speaker 1: Those he's batted leadoff he has.
Speaker 2: I think that's okay, And you hate the Mariners.
Speaker 1: Mariners. I like that. We kind of have a letter
Speaker 1: egoing here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, kind of. It's a long last.
Speaker 1: Leg, okay, Wilson, Nathaniel Naylor, Cassas, Vinnie and Bush.
Speaker 2: That feels much better.
Speaker 1: Something I can come up with something fun there Arise Diaz,
Speaker 1: Wade and now Luke Raley is with them.
Speaker 2: You want to move no.
Speaker 1: Name value is something I'm okay with that tier.
Speaker 2: It hurts to have name values. I think the most
Speaker 2: egregious here because you think of batting titles and you
Speaker 2: think Arias has been like the gun for higher batting
Speaker 2: title guy. But the book is out on him being
Speaker 2: a one tool player. He's a one tool player, and
Speaker 2: that one tool is elite, probably better than anybody else
Speaker 2: in baseball. But he is a one tool player.
Speaker 1: It's true. It might be better than anyone else's tool. Right,
Speaker 1: a nice tool that my way gets on base Luke Rayley,
Speaker 1: what can he do?
Speaker 2: What can't he do?
Speaker 1: The Olds searching for one more summer Goldie and Sandana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this starts. This part starts to get a
Speaker 1: little tricky because, like I'm looking at the tier below
Speaker 1: that Burger. It kind of depends your team's construction. If
Speaker 1: I needed if my offense needed thirty homers, I'd I'd
Speaker 1: rather have Jake Burger than Goldie at this point. If
Speaker 1: I needed a two way, seven hole hitter, I'd much
Speaker 1: rather have Paul gold right. Santana has some similar arguments.
Speaker 1: He crushed lefties last year. He played gold glove defense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I'm Okay with the Olds tier.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if I did this before free agency,
Speaker 1: I would I'd much rather have Nathaniel Low for a
Speaker 1: lefty reliever.
Speaker 2: Nationals made off like Bennetts and that I feel like
Speaker 2: people won't realize that.
Speaker 1: Just kind of forgot to do anything else this winter,
Speaker 1: A little scared of this. That Mo the right move. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's Berger, Hoskins, the Oriel Orioles hybrid human which
Speaker 1: is a great player, but his two people. If we're
Speaker 1: gonna knock Luke Rayley's platoon splits, Spencer Steer you love.
Speaker 2: I like him, solid player. I always like the Reds
Speaker 2: and Thews on me down.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what that bottom row Miranda Keith, Shanuel Soderstrom.
Speaker 1: I've become a Joonah Bride guy. The numbers are crazy.
Speaker 1: The numbers are kind of nice. Andrew Vaughan, you know
Speaker 1: how much of that stock I've had totally barely got mentioned.
Speaker 1: And he hit twenty five last year with a two
Speaker 1: point two war.
Speaker 2: I met him. He's a massive human being.
Speaker 1: Is he a bottom of the guy.
Speaker 2: We might have to split up the bottom round. That's
Speaker 2: the next conversation.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Pop. I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know the difference.
Speaker 2: I am perfectly comfortable leaving everyone.
Speaker 1: I think. Unfortunately, that's the answer. I would just if
Speaker 1: I was a Rockies fan, okay.
Speaker 2: Which you are? Which you are? Mind you.
Speaker 1: Totally. It has some stuff he needs to work on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. So does everyone in the big strike
Speaker 1: cats right, there are some strikeouts. Oh, batting ages low,
Speaker 1: he's hitting homers, which, hey, we like those. But negative
Speaker 1: war that's cool, Okay, earn your way, earn your way.
Speaker 1: What would you change? At this point, I just I'd
Speaker 1: rambled up and down the Is there anything you would change?
Speaker 1: You're a tough time I am, I am, I I'll something.
Speaker 1: I'm happy I've landed on because at first I was
Speaker 1: looking at this first baselist, I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And I still obviously am to a degree. The depth
Speaker 1: at the position is a little impressive. Jose Miranda can
Speaker 1: be good, Colt Keith can be good. Shanual can be
Speaker 1: really good. So I've gone through all these names. Horwitz
Speaker 1: had some nice numbers, and it's getting penciled in to
Speaker 1: be like I like that. There's not a couple of
Speaker 1: these positions you look at like shortstop, I feel like
Speaker 1: Urcia and a couple of those names. It's like, it
Speaker 1: sucks we have to even talk about there's no upside.
Speaker 1: It's this is what you're gonna get, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: These guys have serious upside.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a bad player. Is that crazy
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: There's not a player on here that if they were
Speaker 1: on your team you couldn't talk yourself into. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it'll turn all these players have hope, which that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. I mean, Jake Berger could in
Speaker 1: that lineup as things click.
Speaker 2: Like get on yourummy eyes.
Speaker 1: Reese has a okay, Jake Burger just feels let's let's
Speaker 1: rename these s tier. You want the nine figures.
Speaker 2: I have it as nine figure man. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: just an easy separator from me.
Speaker 1: Like chasing each other's wallets. You get paid, I get paid,
Speaker 1: I get paid. I'm about to get paid.
Speaker 2: I got a new home, old home for my second tarer.
Speaker 2: But we can think of something better.
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I think like new money because they
Speaker 1: both just signed a deal. Yeah, there's a uh something
Speaker 1: about doing free agency right and doing free agency wrong.
Speaker 1: Come on, good cop, bad cop?
Speaker 2: Uh good owner owner.
Speaker 1: That's that's first basement. I want to circle back, right,
Speaker 1: Jolly likes the new home.
Speaker 2: What is it? There's something better there, there's something better.
Speaker 1: I'll come back to it. My brain hurts, and please
Speaker 1: make my brain hurt. Well, let's get let's Cassus Vinnie,
Speaker 1: Tristan Vinnie and Michael Bush Pasquentino and Cassas Lefty futures.
Speaker 1: Give me one sixty two something like that.
Speaker 2: I think it's give me one sixty two. Give me
Speaker 2: one sixty two because that was kind of the uniting
Speaker 2: thing with all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one be batting one. That's something.
Speaker 1: One more summer.
Speaker 2: I like that, this one, the second, the last. I'm
Speaker 2: out in trouble with. I'd love thirty Homers.
Speaker 1: A lot of good first basemen.
Speaker 2: That's also good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some something with thirty homers.
Speaker 2: It's like, have they all done it? I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure the Orioles combined I have done it. But Steer hasn't.
Speaker 2: Steer's been twenty back to back.
Speaker 1: What I need pop to pop? Like none of those
Speaker 1: guys are playing defense.
Speaker 2: Right, need pop to pop like Hoskins needs pop Like
Speaker 2: twenty five homers out of those guys is almost disappointing
Speaker 2: except Steer. Steer's kind of the odd.
Speaker 1: But I like need pop to pop. I me to
Speaker 1: Steer if he did a thirty homer season, we'd be like,
Speaker 1: Steve might fly up. Yeah, if he can pick it,
Speaker 1: need pop to pop. That's just a fun word sentence
Speaker 1: to say, Pat, you're mad about this. I want to
Speaker 1: change that. We've got a lot of youth and potential.
Speaker 1: Uh potential almost like first base is stacked, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, potential in both directions. Like if I'm an
Speaker 1: Angels fan, I'm not happy.
Speaker 2: If I'm a fan of anyone on the spots.
Speaker 1: They're happy with.
Speaker 2: Bottom tier, but not in a bad way.
Speaker 1: No offense.
Speaker 2: M now that that would.
Speaker 1: Read no offense. Your bad team should like this guy?
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: I mean Twins are the only ones that can get
Speaker 1: loud there. I think Tigers, your MEDA team should like
Speaker 1: this guy. Likes this guy.
Speaker 2: Mid team high upside, which that leaves.
Speaker 1: That Alonso Walker tier is Walker boris no right? Uh oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know Martini sports management. Okay, Martini. I think
Speaker 1: it's just like something about like a favorite son. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I just went to like the graduating class,
Speaker 1: like they just hit free agency together and they got compared.
Speaker 2: Like long lost brothers.
Speaker 1: Brothers, yeah, misplaced brothers.
Speaker 2: Two halves of an elite first baseman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the glove and the stick, Yeah, the glove and
Speaker 1: the stick figure. All right, geez, let us know what
Speaker 1: was horrible. I think if you're a baseball fan, you
Speaker 1: just you just went for the ride with us, and
Speaker 1: I think you understand why.
Speaker 2: I think this is a good list.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good list. I could see
Speaker 1: if I was a fan of the bottom row, I
Speaker 1: would be a little hot to trot the bottom two rows.
Speaker 2: Feel like you're happy there.
Speaker 1: The depth of this position ended up actually making me
Speaker 1: feel better because I got scared when we were We're
Speaker 1: doing the second second tier of first basement and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about Wilson Contreras. I just I don't know, and
Speaker 1: hopefully that comes true for Cardinals fans in baseball. Let
Speaker 1: us know where you think we went absolutely wrong. Let
Speaker 1: us know where we went right. Thank you to Jolly Olif,
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