Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turned to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while Will is convinced that he could win it. We
Speaker 1: are wilfred Ell and Rider Strong, two best friends, one
Speaker 1: a TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars,
Speaker 1: join us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,
Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod Meats
Speaker 1: Twirled Trading Places. Yes, I Will, Hi Rider. So by
Speaker 1: wearing a hood every episode, you're aligning yourselves with yourself
Speaker 1: with the Traders, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Just you are.
Speaker 3: Frankly, it doesn't really matter either way what I am
Speaker 3: when I get there. Eventually, I just I you know.
Speaker 2: I had the cloak.
Speaker 3: I very rarely get a chance to wear it, and
Speaker 3: when I do, people throw stuff at me. So fun
Speaker 3: to just be able to wear it in the comfort
Speaker 3: of my own home. What's funny is that I actually
Speaker 3: went into the hot tub last night and soaked for
Speaker 3: a little while and then put this on after and
Speaker 3: it's still a little damp. Oh so it's fun to
Speaker 3: just just have a gross kind of little damp, little
Speaker 3: little robe on me there, love it. This is what
Speaker 3: we do for entertainment, my friend.
Speaker 1: All right, Episode five this was uh, this is a
Speaker 1: dramatic one man.
Speaker 3: Yikes, yeah, yikes, yeah, yeah, this is for a lot
Speaker 3: of reasons, for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: But well we talked about it last episode. Just getting personal,
Speaker 1: you know, like stuff and people. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: thing to role play and to like call each other
Speaker 1: like traders and faithful, like as if those things actually
Speaker 1: mean something. But yeah, it gets it gets a little
Speaker 1: personal in this one and started. Yeah, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: really curious how this how this show plays out when
Speaker 1: they're not celebrities or reality stars, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, because that's how it started, right with regular people.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it was a combo. At
Speaker 3: least in the US version, it was a combo. I
Speaker 3: think there was some celebrities, some some regular people or
Speaker 3: what we call muggles, and then uh yeah, and then
Speaker 3: I think it went all celebrity. But in the UK,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they do only celebrity or they
Speaker 3: do a combination of the two. But I know that
Speaker 3: they're now casting for the ABC or NBC version, so
Speaker 3: straight network of of all regular people, no.
Speaker 2: Celebrities, which again will be an interesting thing to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just wonder how much of this
Speaker 1: is like heightened because they're they're they're going for a drama,
Speaker 1: do you know what? I sure because their reality or
Speaker 1: you know, actory type people and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: In the UK it started as a non celebrity then
Speaker 4: went into celebrity, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well I guess even if it's non celebrity,
Speaker 1: they're probably casting people hopeing for drama, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's like the old reality show thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, It's just it's yeah, it's this
Speaker 2: was tough though. This this episode.
Speaker 3: Really was a little watching some of it through my
Speaker 3: fingers kind of cringey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well it started at breakfast, Derinda smearing
Speaker 1: Ron again, no salmon, normal breakfast. He doesn't know anything
Speaker 1: about me and my family, and I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it came up later in the episode when Ron actually
Speaker 1: you know, set to her face, but I you know,
Speaker 1: a little less harshly, was already in my head saying
Speaker 1: like why does that matter? It's a game, like you know,
Speaker 1: but Derinda's just clearly playing on a social game, like the.
Speaker 3: Same thing about Donna. Yeah, like Donna's not trying to
Speaker 3: get to know any of us. Don is not telling
Speaker 3: us about her family. And it's like, Okay, my kids
Speaker 3: are football players and my stepdaughter's famous, super famous, So
Speaker 3: what do you need to call?
Speaker 1: And the smoke salmon drama continue again.
Speaker 2: There was some some looks.
Speaker 3: SSD smokes salmon drama telling you don't have it. I
Speaker 3: think out of a smoke salmon com fosters, you're.
Speaker 1: More worried about coming in the late and losing the
Speaker 1: smoke salmon then whether they get banished.
Speaker 2: Like wait, who was murdered? Alright, that's right handed over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the last two people to walk in, Tara
Speaker 1: and Johnny meaning Monet was murdered.
Speaker 3: And that's I called it because again he's the only one, yes,
Speaker 3: who mentioned a trader's name passed through his lips.
Speaker 1: But here was my thinking why that was a bad
Speaker 1: call when I when I when I saw that he
Speaker 1: was murdered, I was like, oh, you idiots, because if
Speaker 1: somebody mentioned somebody and then they get murdered. But that's
Speaker 1: where they asked he mentioned he only said it to
Speaker 1: Canvas exactly.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, exactly, that's a I know.
Speaker 1: But but in my mind I was like, wait, who
Speaker 1: did he say it to because I thought he said
Speaker 1: it in a car with like a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: No, he said it in the woods. He just said
Speaker 3: it in the woods to her, and he like whispered it.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I have a bad feeling about bad
Speaker 1: vibes about Lisa. Yeah, and she's the only time, so
Speaker 1: perfect kill right there. And that's they even say, like, I.
Speaker 2: Hope he didn't say it.
Speaker 3: I hope he didn't say it to anybody else, Like,
Speaker 3: hope he didn't say it to anybody else.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: If he only said it to her, then it's a
Speaker 3: perfect murder. It's like okay, yeah, let me take care
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: And then you go, yeah, you're done.
Speaker 3: So and if you can't Rollo Tomasium and and get
Speaker 3: out a regular thing, then you're done. So wait, do
Speaker 3: you get that reference? You don't get Tomas Jensen? Did
Speaker 3: you get Rollo Tomasi?
Speaker 5: Noms Rolo Tomasi was the name of the Did you
Speaker 5: ever see La Confidential? Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, that's
Speaker 5: the name he gave to his father's killer, who they
Speaker 5: never caught. And so when Spacey goes and tells the
Speaker 5: main guy, hey, I think it's him, and he turns around,
Speaker 5: he kills him in his in his kitchen, and then
Speaker 5: before he dies, he says, rollo tomasi, So that it's.
Speaker 3: At least one thing to get out there. It's the
Speaker 3: possibility of being caught.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Wilfred Dell pull great movie. Great movie. Yep,
Speaker 2: go google everybody, go watch La Confidential.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when he said the name, I was like,
Speaker 1: that sounds familiar. I love La Confidential.
Speaker 2: It's been a while.
Speaker 1: I should watch it again.
Speaker 2: All right. After breakfast, the group split.
Speaker 1: Up to talk.
Speaker 3: Going for Ron, it almost just seems like, no, there's
Speaker 3: nothing he can do.
Speaker 2: He can't win there. They're not going to keep him around.
Speaker 3: It's like, guys, unless he gets a shield every week
Speaker 3: or find some way to make it to where he
Speaker 3: can't be murdered every week, his time is obviously very limited.
Speaker 3: They don't like him, there's no reason not to like him.
Speaker 3: But now he's just there.
Speaker 2: I feel bad.
Speaker 1: Ron is you know? He starts throwing out Michael and Derinda,
Speaker 1: which I just like it. It's so like, Okay, sure
Speaker 1: you know you again you kind of don't like them
Speaker 1: or they don't like you, like, but I'm just not
Speaker 1: sure what they I know.
Speaker 2: I think it is it comes down to, well, you
Speaker 2: don't like me, well I don't like you, and that's right,
Speaker 2: you know. It's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And then Kristen brings out Colton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still love Kristin. God, I love her. She's so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's really cool.
Speaker 1: She also has this great quote about being confused between
Speaker 1: like and trust, which I think it's at the heart
Speaker 1: of like this challenge of this game, you know which
Speaker 1: other people don't seem to be able to make that distinction,
Speaker 1: like you can like somebody and also not trust them
Speaker 1: in this game because it's not really their choice to
Speaker 1: be a trader or not right, like you get selected.
Speaker 1: It's not like so once you're once you're playing the
Speaker 1: game from a position, it's not personal. It's like literally
Speaker 1: just your job to win the game is to either
Speaker 1: be a trader and lie to everybody, or to be
Speaker 1: a faithful and assume everybody's line.
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of like it's not anyway it was
Speaker 2: a good quote. Yeah, love her. I went to her
Speaker 2: and Mark Ballast still my team that i'd want to
Speaker 2: be a part of.
Speaker 1: Right and I too, you know, I think that Kristen
Speaker 1: naming Colton kind of makes sense. It's wrong, and we
Speaker 1: know it's wrong, but you know, he has this mistake
Speaker 1: that he's not adjusting his aggressiveness at all. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he's just constantly coming full bear like and and he
Speaker 1: was wrong about Tiffany and has been wrong.
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like, you know, he.
Speaker 3: Also it seems like they always they break up in
Speaker 3: groups and they kind of almost whisper to each other.
Speaker 3: Here's who I think it is. He like gathers a
Speaker 3: group together. He's like, here's here's what I'm voting for
Speaker 3: and why. And it's like wow, oh wow, okay, you're
Speaker 3: just throwing it out there. And he'll do that with
Speaker 3: multiple groups or it's like he's like, all right, I
Speaker 3: gotta go. It's he's in the Senate. He's like, I
Speaker 3: gotta go whip votes, see you guys, And it's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. And he just goes off and does it.
Speaker 3: And because you're right, he has the natural charisma. He's
Speaker 3: a leader obviously, and he got one right. He got
Speaker 3: the only one right so far. People gravitate towards him
Speaker 3: and listen to him.
Speaker 2: But I also thought it's in a backlass.
Speaker 1: I honestly I forgot that he was the one who
Speaker 1: like really called out Donna. Yeah, and that does give
Speaker 1: him more cred it does. When I was watching this
Speaker 1: episode in the one before, I was like, why is
Speaker 1: everyone trust He's not saying anything other than I have
Speaker 1: a few, But you're right. I guess he had the
Speaker 1: credit because he had called Donna. All Right, we get
Speaker 1: to the mission, gather at the fountain, take the coins,
Speaker 1: but not the wrong coins with the shields that maybe
Speaker 1: we'll go into the statue underneath how many?
Speaker 2: I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: There's blood statue fixing the statue, but you have to
Speaker 1: go get these other statues, spend the map from the thing.
Speaker 1: I still don't know what happened, but I guess they
Speaker 1: ran around. Something happened, and okay, but the shield thing,
Speaker 1: please explain to me, because I was sitting there going like,
Speaker 1: the shield thing doesn't make any sense, Like there would
Speaker 1: be no benefit to grabbing a shield then you can't
Speaker 1: be killed, right, But if anybody knew that you had
Speaker 1: grabbed a shield. But I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be revealed who grabbed a shield before roundtable.
Speaker 2: So did I. So did I.
Speaker 3: But that maybe they're not gonna touch maybe they don't
Speaker 3: tell you who it is, or then they're just gonna say,
Speaker 3: because we're on a cliffhanger, we don't know. Maybe they're
Speaker 3: just gonna say, sorry, somebody grabbed a shield.
Speaker 2: So now you're all up for murder and you don't
Speaker 2: know who it is.
Speaker 3: But again, they'd have to tell you who it is
Speaker 3: because then you're not allowed to vote for that person.
Speaker 2: No, but you're not voting the traders know who it
Speaker 2: is whose shielded, right, So wait.
Speaker 3: If you get a shield, though, you can't be murdered, right,
Speaker 3: So it's only so they could not ever know until
Speaker 3: the next morning.
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean. I want to know when
Speaker 2: it's revealed.
Speaker 1: I thought literally they were going to come back and
Speaker 1: have to say after the challenge, me too, I took
Speaker 1: a shield. I didn't, So then they don't and they
Speaker 1: don't reveal that, so then they have the roundtable without
Speaker 1: knowing if anybody took a shield or not.
Speaker 2: Which seems like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was just very confused by the rules, and I
Speaker 1: kind of wish they had spelled it out because it
Speaker 1: was hard to.
Speaker 3: Know, Like if anybody else, wouldn't the people you were
Speaker 3: there with watch you take a shield, Like would you
Speaker 3: have to run back and be like, oh god, I
Speaker 3: drop my phone and like go back, and they take
Speaker 3: a shield without anybody.
Speaker 2: Knowing, Yes, this is this is what I don't understand.
Speaker 3: What again, this is the joy of the challenges here
Speaker 3: are there just so unbelievably convoluted and then they just
Speaker 3: add heavy things on top of it where it's so cool,
Speaker 3: but it is you're just kind.
Speaker 2: Of going like, wait, what I get?
Speaker 3: The premise is an interesting one where it's like, if
Speaker 3: one person takes a shield, you can all be murdered.
Speaker 3: If nobody takes a shield, there's not going to be
Speaker 3: a murder tonight. Yes, And that's kind of great because
Speaker 3: then it's like and the thing that they said when
Speaker 3: they walked away, I think they pointed it out and
Speaker 3: they did it in an interesting way, which is what
Speaker 3: I would have done as a player, is I'd say,
Speaker 3: all right, look, nobody's taking a shield. Anybody who takes
Speaker 3: a shield is a trader one hundred percent yes, and
Speaker 3: then walk away. Yes, because it's like if you take
Speaker 3: a shield, you won't nobody will be you know, we're
Speaker 3: all up for murder except you. That's fine, but the
Speaker 3: next time we're going to kill you because you're obviously
Speaker 3: a trader. Right, So you have to guarantee nobody's gonna
Speaker 3: take a shield. I wonder if they're they have to
Speaker 3: tell people, but maybe they only have to tell the traders.
Speaker 2: I don't know how, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, the reveal is really important to
Speaker 1: the case strategy, Like yes, because I was thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it kind of does make I mean, especially for
Speaker 1: the traders when they see four like in a pile together,
Speaker 1: it makes you there is a good argument to crowd
Speaker 1: to like for four people to cover your butts and
Speaker 1: just be like, okay, let's just especially if.
Speaker 3: You're Ron and you know, like everybody's out to get you,
Speaker 3: and all you have to do is reach down and
Speaker 3: take a shield. Hey, I'm taking a shield, right, Sorry,
Speaker 3: that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But it's all about assuming other people see. This is
Speaker 1: why they're called faithful, because it's all about having right
Speaker 1: you have to have faith in your fellow players, but
Speaker 1: you also know some of them are traders. It's so tough, man.
Speaker 1: I need to know what the shield, how the shield
Speaker 1: rules work.
Speaker 3: Well, they're different every time because sometimes it's like it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you do this thing, you know, if
Speaker 3: you stay all the skulls, you get a shield, and
Speaker 3: that you can't be you know, you can't be murdered
Speaker 3: that night.
Speaker 2: So it's things like that too that that work.
Speaker 1: Colton was admitting that he had already come into the
Speaker 1: game saying, if I get a chance to get a shield,
Speaker 1: I'm taking it. And this at this point I realized
Speaker 1: Colton is actually playing like the perfect trader. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: playing this game like a trader. He's aggressively picking who
Speaker 1: he wants to get banished, making sure everybody goes on
Speaker 1: board with him, right, and then like he's going to
Speaker 1: take a shield, like he's really he's a perfect if
Speaker 1: he were a trader, this is how he would play,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why I think the traders love him
Speaker 3: because they get to just sit back and let this
Speaker 3: guy do a lot of the heavy lifting. Yeah, both
Speaker 3: literally and figuratively where it's like, Okay, he's going to
Speaker 3: do great in the challenges, and then he's aggressively going
Speaker 3: to go after somebody that we know is not a trader.
Speaker 2: Make a big scene. Great, let's do that, and we'll
Speaker 2: hop on board with him. Hate Colton.
Speaker 3: I think he got a point about Tiffany there. And
Speaker 3: then you keep getting getting people out and they don't
Speaker 3: have to do anything.
Speaker 1: I love how ridiculously squeamish everybody was about getting in
Speaker 1: the water.
Speaker 2: It's like that was great because they're all in their
Speaker 2: own clothes.
Speaker 1: I know, but you like if you watch Survivor and
Speaker 1: like the things that these people go through, put their
Speaker 1: bodies through, put their foett It's like you guys, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're at a castle. You're not even sleeping in
Speaker 1: the castle. You get to go to a nice hotel
Speaker 1: every night, I'm sure, but like it's it was just
Speaker 1: hysterical the way like so many of them were like.
Speaker 2: Oh oh I gotta stand and blatter and put my
Speaker 2: get over it. What did somebody say, am I gonna
Speaker 2: get canas?
Speaker 1: Was like, no, I'm gonna get a yeast infection. Who's
Speaker 1: gonna take care of my kuchie, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing to worry about.
Speaker 4: Heyston, can I pull What's gonna go wrong with my coochie?
Speaker 4: Can I pull that drop just from right? Or I
Speaker 4: want it forever? Thank you?
Speaker 2: It's gonna go wrong with my kouchi?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was like you're gonna get a yeast
Speaker 3: infect what But again, it's also like the every fourth
Speaker 3: coin will be part of the third coin, where it's like, wait, what,
Speaker 3: what is actually happening? You have to find the right
Speaker 3: coin and then you have to run off.
Speaker 1: Insert the coin into the statue. What like a vending machine. Damn,
Speaker 1: my statue's broken. It's the sixteenth century vending machine.
Speaker 3: This vending machine was carved by Michelangelo himself. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and then they have to carry the back place them
Speaker 3: around to then have the blood statue.
Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Reinvigorate itself. It looks cool, brilliant, cool, brilliant.
Speaker 1: And so during this, you know Colton had already he
Speaker 1: admitted to the camera that he was thinking about the
Speaker 1: shield and Candace Trader. Candace is on his team, and
Speaker 1: she says that she thinks Colton would take a shield
Speaker 1: if she suggested it, which she's right, And this is
Speaker 1: when I want to Candice is a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's gotten better.
Speaker 1: She's gotten way better. I was like, she's playing too
Speaker 1: hard or talking too much. But now like she's she's fallen,
Speaker 1: you know, she's she's mellowed out. She's taking a back
Speaker 1: and she's reading the room right like she knows that
Speaker 1: Colton is like gonna be her front mat and basically
Speaker 1: like she can hide behind him. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was really really insightful that she's she's figuring it out.
Speaker 1: And then the statues run with blood of course they do.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know why no smoke, salmon, They're all.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: After the mission, it really became Colton versus Michael running
Speaker 1: from room to room.
Speaker 2: Wow, and Ron and Derinda.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like some some real personality standoffs
Speaker 1: here that were not super fun.
Speaker 3: No, and real kind of gloves are off kind of situation.
Speaker 3: This was nothing was was kind of subdued, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't an undercurrent of anything anymore. They brought all this
Speaker 3: stuff right to the surface and it got bad. I meant,
Speaker 3: it got uncomfortable to watch, and several several points.
Speaker 1: I thought Colton going after Michael by asking to what
Speaker 1: Alan was wearing in the turret last night.
Speaker 2: Now that was funny, brilliant, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right right, but then Michael gets flustered and just starts
Speaker 1: yelling you know, well, of course it's yeah. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine being married to Michael Rappaport or just being in
Speaker 1: a family with him, like if this is how he
Speaker 1: is on TV?
Speaker 4: One of his girlfriends had to allegedly put a restraining
Speaker 4: word on him for stalking, so that that's ae wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's a member of the Clean Plate Club,
Speaker 2: So there's that.
Speaker 4: The guy is.
Speaker 2: Such an emotional wreck.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's I think it's kind of what
Speaker 1: makes him very compelling as as an actor too, you know,
Speaker 1: like he has this like rawness to him and this
Speaker 1: honesty about him, and like, again, I kind of appreciate
Speaker 1: kind of like it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was looking at my my wife and I was
Speaker 1: just like, god, you think I'm an emotional wreck? Can
Speaker 1: you imagine what this guy is like in home?
Speaker 4: Like poor?
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, I.
Speaker 3: Know, Hey, I've eaten with you too. You have much
Speaker 3: better table manners.
Speaker 5: Than my.
Speaker 1: Jaw for the plate?
Speaker 3: Do you remember Slimmer from the original Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2: Exactly what it looks like, just like he looked like.
Speaker 1: The whole plate goes down afterwards, the fork Slimer.
Speaker 2: God, it's crazy like watching him. This is reality.
Speaker 3: He is the quintessential example of reality TV.
Speaker 2: You just can't look away, you can't look away. I
Speaker 2: hate it, all right.
Speaker 1: So Ron just flat out tells Deranda that he thinks
Speaker 1: she's a trader and they get into it was it
Speaker 1: here that that he said the thing about I don't
Speaker 1: care about your family? No, it was around the round table,
Speaker 1: all right, So but it started here, yeah, and then Michael,
Speaker 1: you know, came running back in when he heard Colton
Speaker 1: still talking about his name. Lots of like confrontation, confrontation,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's just get into the roundtable because.
Speaker 2: It was it was a lot o okay.
Speaker 1: At this point, I was like, man, the traders are
Speaker 1: just loving this.
Speaker 3: Loving it, and they don't have to do anything. They
Speaker 3: it's the graded. They just get to step back and
Speaker 3: let this ship show comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's great, and uh yeah, Michael starts off super
Speaker 1: hot immediately making it about him even course, like if
Speaker 1: people are putting your name out, it's just they're putting
Speaker 1: your name out, you just defend yourself and just say
Speaker 1: I'm not. But instead it's like, how dare you. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we have to call somebody. Somebody is a trader, right, So.
Speaker 3: It's not not exactly you're like, you've been flying under
Speaker 3: the radar these last five EPISOD.
Speaker 2: No, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's it's always so weird to me that these
Speaker 1: people take it so personally. It's like, you don't trust me.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, we're our job is to not trust
Speaker 1: one another right now.
Speaker 3: And I've known you for six days exactly, No, I
Speaker 3: don't trust you, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Colton does have some evid you know, his his evidence
Speaker 1: is that everyone but one who was written Michael's name
Speaker 1: down has been banished or.
Speaker 2: Which is valid by the way. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because that's what you'd want to do if
Speaker 3: you're a traders, get rid of everybody who thinks you're
Speaker 3: the trader.
Speaker 2: So okay, right, understandable.
Speaker 3: You couple that with the fact that he's very brusque
Speaker 3: people don't like him.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what it really comes down, That's what it
Speaker 2: comes down to.
Speaker 3: They just want and then eventually, you know, as we
Speaker 3: will talk about. That's what it just becomes is they're like,
Speaker 3: we just don't want you here anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love during to Colin Ron a housewife hunter.
Speaker 1: What housewife hunters? He's really really into getting rid of
Speaker 1: the housewives on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird argument. Okay, you came in to
Speaker 2: kill all the housewives, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, this is when she said the thing
Speaker 1: about Harry doesn't get to know her family or doesn't
Speaker 1: want to know about her family, and and he says,
Speaker 1: my family is none of your business, which it a
Speaker 1: valid point. It was a little harshly said.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Again, at this point, I think he's just walking around
Speaker 3: angry where it's like everybody hates me. I'm apparently the
Speaker 3: nicest guy in comedy. Nobody likes me. I no matter
Speaker 3: what I say, they're jumping down my throat. They're gonna
Speaker 3: kick me off eventually. I'm at least gonna go down swinging.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's terrible. I feel bad for Roun like
Speaker 3: I legit, feel bad for Ron too, me too. And
Speaker 3: you wonder who the next run is going to be,
Speaker 3: because when he does get kicked off, that hatred will
Speaker 3: go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: There's there's always got to be a scapegoat, right like,
Speaker 1: and it's so misdirected in this case. Yeah, the traders
Speaker 1: are just getting away scott free, all right. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, the probably the most dramatic moment is when
Speaker 1: Michael says, nobody in this room to be better at
Speaker 1: holding the secret than you, Colton, which is pretty obviously
Speaker 1: a reference to him not coming out yet.
Speaker 2: I know, yes, And he tried to walk it back.
Speaker 2: He tries to walk it back. You can't, that's out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what you meant, dude, you meant this
Speaker 3: guy's been lying his whole life because of course, being
Speaker 3: a football player, the easiest thing to do is come
Speaker 3: out of the closet. So it's like, yeah, everybody knows
Speaker 3: how simple that is. So yeah, that was you knew
Speaker 3: this set. And here's the thing. I went back and
Speaker 3: watched it twice before he said that. He was making
Speaker 3: valid points, and I think people around the table were
Speaker 3: starting to listen to it about Colton, Yeah they were.
Speaker 3: And then he said and everyone's like, I don't even
Speaker 3: want to have anything to do with you ever.
Speaker 2: Again he was winning the argument.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I feel like more than fifty percent
Speaker 1: of this room is queer, right, Like, so you're really
Speaker 1: you're in the worst position, Like why would you possibly
Speaker 1: think that that's a valid argument, Like you're talking to
Speaker 1: a room of people, like half of them are gay,
Speaker 1: you know, or if they're not, they're super gay friendly.
Speaker 2: Mike, exactly.
Speaker 1: This is just yeah, it's just but you know, this
Speaker 1: is like, this is his mouth just going. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like he does stuff before you think if he
Speaker 1: had thought it through, he you know, And I guess
Speaker 1: what really is disappointing to me is he probably should
Speaker 1: have just immediately been like, oh shit, that was over
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, I apologize, I apologize, But instead he's
Speaker 1: trying to defend himself saying that's not what I meant.
Speaker 2: I didn't I wasn't insane.
Speaker 1: But you're like, there's actually no nothing else I think
Speaker 1: you could have meant, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, I also have to disagree a little bit with
Speaker 3: what you're saying. I think I don't think he said
Speaker 3: this heat of the monk. I think he's been thinking
Speaker 3: this for days. Yeah, that he's that this guy's gay
Speaker 3: and he's been holding that If anybody could hold the secret.
Speaker 2: It's that guy, and then it came out of his
Speaker 2: mind and you know what, But you know what I
Speaker 2: think if it came out and.
Speaker 1: It was pointed out to you, which I think Johnny does,
Speaker 1: is like, you know, the the that not being able
Speaker 1: to come out of the closet is as much a
Speaker 1: self deception and a traumatic situation, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's not like a conscious lie, you know, like like
Speaker 1: just explaining that to.
Speaker 2: I know, he said.
Speaker 3: No, but Colton said that a couple episodes ago, remember
Speaker 3: where he was like, They're like, wait, you're in the
Speaker 3: football you played football and you're a bachelor. He's like, yep,
Speaker 3: trying to convince myself I was straight for years, like
Speaker 3: he he.
Speaker 1: Says this episode, I think, Okay, I know he says that,
Speaker 1: which I think that's why they had that moment, is
Speaker 1: because they had to set up this conversations because that
Speaker 1: was why they included it. And yeah, I know, because
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I I could I guess basically,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I could see that. I think there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people who probably have Michael's opinion about
Speaker 1: gay people out there, you know, or people that are
Speaker 1: in the closet, yes, And I think it's if he
Speaker 1: said it and then it's pointed out to him, like
Speaker 1: that's not how this really works, dude, Like you know,
Speaker 1: and Colton is saying, like I was not lying. I
Speaker 1: was trying so hard to be something that I wasn't feeling.
Speaker 1: You know, denial is not denying exactly exactly. It's self
Speaker 1: deception as much as you know. And I think that
Speaker 1: the second that that comes out, Michael Rappaport could have
Speaker 1: walked it back and just been like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I didn't think of it that way. You're right, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. That is unfair, like being being gay in closet.
Speaker 1: It does not make you a better liar or tilling
Speaker 1: this person, which is essentially what he was saying. So
Speaker 1: you know, he could have walked it back, even even
Speaker 1: off camp, even out of the round table when he
Speaker 1: was doing his follow up defense at the instead, it's
Speaker 1: just like I was in a situate. So it's a
Speaker 1: real bummer man, Like that could have been a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he also does the typical thing that people
Speaker 3: always do, where it's without taking accountability, the no accountability
Speaker 3: account I'm sorry that you felt that way.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, no, no, be sorry you said it.
Speaker 3: Don't be sorry that you felt that you made someone
Speaker 3: feel bad.
Speaker 1: And he could have just I think it would have
Speaker 1: been a service to a lot of people who out
Speaker 1: there who might feel that way to hear him say
Speaker 1: you know what, I heard this and I'm adjusting my thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that is unfair, like that is an unfair and
Speaker 1: stead he said, it's not what I meant. It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: it is, dude, I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Could have possibly meant. Of course that's what he meant.
Speaker 2: That pissed me off.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: That was like yeah, and that's why he was gone.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter me.
Speaker 3: They even said, they're like, I just don't want castle.
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're a trader or faithful anymore.
Speaker 2: I just don't want you here. I don't care.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, you knew, you knew what it was
Speaker 3: gonna He knew too the second it came out of
Speaker 3: his mouth and he got that response, he knew. And
Speaker 3: if you go back and you watch it again, he
Speaker 3: was winning the argument. He was making valid points about Colton,
Speaker 3: and then he came out with that, and it.
Speaker 2: Was like, get out, you're We're done with you. I
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 1: It was very similar to a moment on Survivor where
Speaker 1: a trans character was outed for being trans they had
Speaker 1: not you know, yeah, he was this great player and
Speaker 1: and uh, another another player was getting heat and he
Speaker 1: decided to try and get heat off of him by saying, like,
Speaker 1: why haven't you told everybody that you're trans?
Speaker 3: And it was like, dude, wow, so born female and
Speaker 3: transition to male.
Speaker 1: And but you know, like it was just you know,
Speaker 1: it's like so under the belt off like people and
Speaker 1: just immediately, immediately everybody was like nope, you're just gonna
Speaker 1: leave now.
Speaker 2: Chef Probes is like, we don't. I don't think they
Speaker 2: had a vote. It was just like walk away, dude. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a very This was like an echo of
Speaker 1: that moment in some ways. I mean that was more
Speaker 1: extreme because it was actually outing, you know, against somebody's will.
Speaker 1: But in this case, yeah, you could.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, such a bomber, dude, it is.
Speaker 3: And it took it to a whole different kind of
Speaker 3: level and it was like, yeah, we it did. It
Speaker 3: brought it back to the fact that it is a game.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we want to.
Speaker 3: We want to play the game, and we'd rather do
Speaker 3: it without somebody like saying ship like that here. So
Speaker 3: if you could go, that'd be awesome, and then we're
Speaker 3: just going to write down your name.
Speaker 2: That's let's just go.
Speaker 1: But all of which you know is it's not good
Speaker 1: playing the game is going well, faithful, it is no one,
Speaker 1: I mean, the traders are are so you could be.
Speaker 3: Right, maybe maybe this is the year that that the
Speaker 3: Traders walk away with the money.
Speaker 1: Well at the end of this episode though, Colton thinks
Speaker 1: it could be.
Speaker 3: Least and somebody also they now they're really starting to
Speaker 3: mention Colton. So I do want to very quickly because
Speaker 3: in our last Dancing with the Stars podcast, A Wonderful One,
Speaker 3: I told you that I am was a master of
Speaker 3: knowing everything about history when it comes to dance expert.
Speaker 2: I'm also a traders expert.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you're aware of that, a famous
Speaker 3: trade TV show of actual famous traders throughout history. And
Speaker 3: I wanted to put it in and I realized Michael
Speaker 3: Rappaport is arguably the most famous person around that table,
Speaker 3: which led me to believe was like, you know what
Speaker 3: I haven't told ryder about is other famous traders from
Speaker 3: his Okay, and so we're gonna start a new segment
Speaker 3: now that's called whiz famous traders from history or something
Speaker 3: that's not the history of dance.
Speaker 2: I'm still working on the song.
Speaker 1: Yea, the song could use a little I'm working on it.
Speaker 3: I agree, maybe some notes, not just like note I'm
Speaker 3: the key I'm picking is wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the key I've picked.
Speaker 3: But we're going to start today with uh Failties of Trachis.
Speaker 3: He's from the fifth century BC. Yes, A Failties and
Speaker 3: in for ADBC. A Failties betrayed the Greek impatriots by
Speaker 3: revealing a little known goat trail in the mountains at
Speaker 3: Thermopylae in eastern Greece to the massive invading army of
Speaker 3: the Persian king Xerxes. They outflanked the small force, mostly
Speaker 3: by Spartan warriors who had held off the Persian army
Speaker 3: for three days, killing all of them and continuing their
Speaker 3: march southward. I Failties hope for a place in the
Speaker 3: new order of Greece in Greece of Persia one, as
Speaker 3: well as a monitory a reward, but instead Greece prevailed
Speaker 3: and a Failties wound up with a price in his head.
Speaker 3: He was eventually killed, believe it or not for unrelated reasons.
Speaker 3: But ever since the backstabbing of the Greeks at Thermopylae,
Speaker 3: the Greek word for nightmare is still a failties.
Speaker 2: Well, he is a famous trader. Isn't that what three
Speaker 2: hundred is based on? It is?
Speaker 4: This is not wildly natural. I mean, he says he
Speaker 4: knows it, but it felt felt kind.
Speaker 2: Of No, that's natural. I like to say it as
Speaker 2: if I'm reading it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's like you want to sound scholarly, erect
Speaker 1: a monotone of Wikipedia right now while I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1: But you couldn't possibly be doing that because I'm you're
Speaker 1: looking at me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking right and you know me in the computer,
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do two things at once,
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't know how to look up something and
Speaker 3: have a separate I think they're called window. So I'm
Speaker 3: just looking at you, and I wanted to tell you
Speaker 3: a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: So there you go. We're gonna have a new little segment,
Speaker 2: and I hope you enjoy it. A Failties a Failties
Speaker 2: a Failties.
Speaker 1: Here you go all right, Well, sweet Dreams don't have.
Speaker 3: A failty and Failties was also known for just shoveling
Speaker 3: food into his mouth.
Speaker 2: Little known fact.
Speaker 3: Cut it out of three hundred smoke salmon into it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing about Michael, I really did come into this
Speaker 1: season liking him, and like you I there's something like,
Speaker 1: you know, like naive about him, about his like and
Speaker 1: even when he's kind of an emotional like mess or
Speaker 1: a dick, I was always like, oh, you're a good guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good. That's because you only know him from movies.
Speaker 4: I know he stinks social media, he stinks so much ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really I don't know. I don't know anything about him,
Speaker 2: know him.
Speaker 1: Family, that's yeah, I'm only known for movies.
Speaker 4: And like now I'm like, you're lucky.
Speaker 1: Because this was this was a really like I said,
Speaker 1: this was a chance man, like you could you could
Speaker 1: be an idiot thinking that and once it's corrected, like
Speaker 1: it's it's just the change exactly, And like you know,
Speaker 1: because what I guess, I guess I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like the expectation that everybody is supposed to be perfect
Speaker 1: about a lot of these things. Do you know what
Speaker 1: things like sexuality gender race, Like it's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like they're not always natural for everybody, and especially
Speaker 1: how people are raised, and you know whatever, they're inheriting
Speaker 1: bigotry or just blindness.
Speaker 2: Or just lack of knowledge totally.
Speaker 1: Like, So if you say something dumb or offensive and
Speaker 1: you don't mean it or you don't understand how it like,
Speaker 1: learn from learn from it, learn from it.
Speaker 2: We've all been there, dude. It's the way it works.
Speaker 3: And it's it's the people that instantly, again, first try
Speaker 3: to backtrack what they said right. Then they try to
Speaker 3: justify what they said. Then they apologize for making someone
Speaker 3: else feel bad with what they said, as opposed to
Speaker 3: taking any accountability or learning from it, which.
Speaker 2: Is all we do.
Speaker 3: That's what life is is learning. So maybe he goes
Speaker 3: home and has an epiphany. You never know, maybe he
Speaker 3: watches himself back and doesn't like what he sees and
Speaker 3: becomes a better person for it.
Speaker 4: I will say today, even though I hate defending me
Speaker 4: such a garbage but I will say today, he said
Speaker 4: in an interview him and Colton are in contact and
Speaker 4: totally fine and friends and whatever. But yeah, Michael wrapport sucks.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's good to hear, though at least they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, able to talk after this? Yeah, not hold it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, all right. So yeah, now Rob overheard
Speaker 1: this that Colton thinks it's Lisa, And I do think
Speaker 1: Colton gives a good argument, which is, wait, wait, who
Speaker 1: is it that he asks? He asks somebody like, is
Speaker 1: she does? Isn't she more like usually a little more
Speaker 1: outgoing middle But yeah, have you ever not seen Lisa
Speaker 1: talk like that? It's Dinda?
Speaker 3: Right, it was Dirinda, I think, yeah, Direnda's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I've never another housewife.
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is where but again I don't know.
Speaker 3: Colton might be the perfect person to keep around because
Speaker 3: again he gets everybody to vote for other people and
Speaker 3: they've but if he's getting it everybody to vote for
Speaker 3: a trader.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is where you don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Oh, we blew right past my favorite moment, which is
Speaker 1: the commiserate thing. Oh, he just keeps saying, Coulton, what
Speaker 1: are the three season corrupt? Commiserate? And then who is
Speaker 1: it that this points Rob? Oh my d by the way,
Speaker 1: dressed in just overalls, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, underneath to feel sympathy. We got to stop this.
Speaker 2: It's like he's like more upset about the.
Speaker 1: Fact that he's misusing the word commiserate than anybody said.
Speaker 2: And I loved it.
Speaker 3: That's why I sort of got this guy sitting there
Speaker 3: with a snake tattoo that takes up his whole body,
Speaker 3: that is just wearing overalls is actually a secret genius,
Speaker 3: is what I think is going on, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I mean, I like, I didn't think
Speaker 1: about it until he pointed it out.
Speaker 2: I was like, it doesn't sound right. I was like,
Speaker 2: is that the right word? But it didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember what the actual definition was.
Speaker 2: So he said it. I was like, good job, dude.
Speaker 1: That's not all, is it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it anyway. So Rob over
Speaker 1: here is Colton uh uh suspecting Lisa Lisa, which is
Speaker 1: bad news because then he can go right back to
Speaker 1: Lisa and say, ham it up a little bit because
Speaker 1: they're gotten.
Speaker 2: But it does.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think of the traders, Lisa's probably the most exposed
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I would agree this is twice now people have said
Speaker 2: her name, well, her horrible lion too.
Speaker 1: You know, it was bad lying and I think even
Speaker 1: if people didn't realize it in the at the time,
Speaker 1: it can get you know, it's it's subconscious, it's in.
Speaker 2: The back of your brain.
Speaker 1: Like that was a little weird, you know, like she
Speaker 1: acted a little strange that morning, and you don't even
Speaker 1: quite know why exactly.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree, this was a very got just
Speaker 3: an interesting episode for so many reasons. We still don't
Speaker 3: know if any forget forget all the craziness was rapaport.
Speaker 2: We still don't know if somebody took a shield.
Speaker 3: Oh well, we still have no idea there's going to
Speaker 3: be or what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: Right, so they just they're going to tell the traders
Speaker 1: right now in the turret, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm so curious.
Speaker 3: I'm so curious how they're going to do it, so
Speaker 3: nobody knows official was taken, if a murder's even going
Speaker 3: to occur.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, crazy, just absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirld.
Speaker 1: Alliances were tested, trust misplace, and once again we're left
Speaker 1: with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as we continue
Speaker 1: our journey through season four of Traders, a show in which,
Speaker 1: as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play, fair is foul
Speaker 1: and foul is fair, And who's going to take care
Speaker 1: of my Kutchiet