WEBVTT - Tigres Del Norte: Narcos and Newcomers 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.160 The last time we checked in with our head figre 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.880 eldest boy, Joque Hernandez. He and his brothers had traveled 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.119 from the tiny rural community of Rossamorada, to the border 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.480 town of Mexicalli and eventually to San Jose del Tito. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.160 We are not in Sinaloa anymore now. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.760 In nineteen seventy two, with the help of his benefactor 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:26.680 art walker Akah Grants, he found himself in the strangest town. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.840 Yet, Holly Wood. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:34.760 Now, speaking as a recently minted Angelino myself, some of 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.640 la might have reminded hohev home from the mountains and 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.879 the hills to the mission style architecture. But can you 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:46.680 imagine coming from this tiny farm town and then seeing. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.199 The Capitol Records building the Chinese Theater. Do you think 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:51.960 they went to Disney? 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:57.040 Uh? Not at Disney prices. Let's not forget they were 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.440 here on business and that shit is expensive. I barely 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.320 afford to take Sandy there for a day, all right, right. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.959 Also, they're collecting tips for puppy's surgery, and they didn't 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:07.920 have a go fund me. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.360 Back then, and despite having four albums under their belt, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.000 Los Theater's career had yet to take off, making this 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.760 trip to La a little bit of the last ditch 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:18.759 effort for the group. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.480 And in this town is who you know? And art 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.800 Walker was here to see one person. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.959 Imagine him driving Quotia down Hollywood Boulevard, the Capitol Records 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:34.000 Building getting closer and closer and closer, and then they 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:34.920 drive right past. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.520 It because art Walker did not have a guy Capitol Records. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.880 Now he and Joree are in La to see Anhel Gonzalez, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.080 a promising gori, the lyricist hailing from Basucil in the 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:47.920 state of Chihuahua. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.600 Like Rossa Morada, it's a tiny farming town, but unlike 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.120 Rosa Morada, it's closer to the border. And bitch me 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.520 knowing because of my past life regression on the last episode. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.080 Make sure you listen to that if you're just joining 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:01.720 us this week. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:02.120 Okay. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.880 Now, with his proximity to the border, Gonzales wrote corridos 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.679 that were a little different from the more traditional versions 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.080 that really talked about romance and revolutionaries, and art Walker 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:19.560 wanted Joe to hear one song in particular, Condra Bandoracion 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:21.359 m HM. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:26.000 A tale of love, cross border, smuggling and betrayal. It's 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.200 given Bunny and Clyde. If Clyde was a fuck on, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:34.120 Camilia and Emilio are Buddha and smuggling la between Mexico 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.440 and the US border. Remember when weed was illegal. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.840 You mean the dark days. So the song follows Emilion 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:46.360 Camelia from Sani Siro Tijuana into San Clemente. Okay, which 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.280 if you're listening to this and you are on this side, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.079 it is San Clementi, Like that's how they say it 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.080 in Orange County. Okay, I'm not going to say it 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.240 like that because you also latina yeas maol. Now let's 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.200 go back to the story. So they fly into San Clementy, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.160 and in San Clementy they fly under the nose of 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.880 immigration officers and into La. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:11.519 Into holly Wood, and there, in a shady alleyway, they 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.280 unload their contrabando from the tires of their car, literally 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.640 pounds and pounds of weed, and they get themselves what 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:21.640 paid honey. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:27.399 But then comes La Brecion. Emilio tells Comedia it's been 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.480 real and says he's going back to his other lady 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:31.960 friend in San Francisco. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.720 But hell has no fury like a bitch done dirty honey. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:41.320 So Camelia pulls out her nine and like Rihanna at 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:42.200 Emilio honey. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:48.040 By the way, should we be translating these songs into 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.360 English for another kind of podcast? Was this shit is fire? 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.920 Okay it is? It's dangerous now. It wasn't just three 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.360 pop pop pops. It was seven gunshots, to be exact. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.640 And when the please get to the crime scene, they 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.720 find the pistol, but that's the last trace they find 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.160 of Camellia Latjana bitch. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.320 We from Texas. So you know what, they ain't ever 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:14.040 gonna find her because we hide in her well. Okay, okay, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.080 at least in the song, because in real life, Camelia 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.040 la Tehana is about to blow up everybody's feet. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.800 Los Gres had a hit on their hands, and it 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.320 seems like they knew it because they tried recording it 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.440 several different ways, in several different arrangements. They even tried 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.800 making it a duet, which happened to be a trend 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.640 in gorridos at the time. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.000 But the final version has Horquez singing solo in the 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.800 classic corridosteas, and. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.040 The song became a smash hit that far exceeds the 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:51.120 Thegus Wildest Dreams. The record dominated Spanish language radio records 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.400 flew off the shelves, Camellia became a folk icon. I 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.520 mean she was like Bonnie, she. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.440 Literally was, and those thegis became a household name for 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.640 Mexicanos on either side of the border. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.600 After Camellia La Tejana came to life in film adaptations 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.719 and sequel songs, it became clear that Contrabando i Tracion 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.280 kicked off a revival of the corrido. But this revival 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.560 would make the original writer of the song, Ahil Gonzalez 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:20.680 a little uneasy. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.520 That's because this isn't yourr abuelles corrido. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:29.120 Rather than romantic tales of revolutionary Mexican heroes and their 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:35.440 historical exploits, the new corridos aka narco corridos were tales 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.040 of drug smuggling, wealth and bloodshed. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.480 A little scorsese, a little gangster rap. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.240 And alongside the explosion of narco corridos, los digres del 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.280 Norte would rise to international fame and fortune and become 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.880 the subject of intense scrutiny in their homeland. That's today, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:06:02.400 on becoming an icon. I'm your host, Liliana Osca and. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.440 I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.440 A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.800 how today's most famous Latin V stars have shaped pop culture. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.919 And given the world some extra tuble. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.720 Sit back and get comfortable. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.080 Because we are going in the only way we know 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.640 how with Buenos Viras, I'm. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:29.120 Buenas Riesas and a lot of opinions as we relive 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.159 their greatest achievements on our journey to find out what 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:46.760 makes them still iconic. On the heels of Contrabando Tracion 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.919 los Figres Fever Gripped Mexico. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.479 Our four farm boys went from playing bars in San 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.200 Jose to playing on Simpre and Domingo, a Mexican TV 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.840 show that showcased the biggest stars of. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:05.800 The Momenta Mexican and Sullivan, who you literally have no 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.600 cultural history when it comes to white things, white people, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:14.360 white music. No, I know You're Latino through and through. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:19.200 The point is everybody watched the show, including my dear Wilita, 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.200 God Rest her soul. Their family back in Drossa Mourada 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.680 even turned it on with their mother carrying their new 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.880 baby brother, Luis in her arms. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:32.480 Contrabandrecon was an instant classic. Los Figoe has even recorded 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.200 a sequel years later, Jan Contarna Camilia. Because if fans 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.080 love anything, it's a. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.920 Universe, and Las Figura has had one with figures like Camellia, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.360 La Tejana and Labanda del Carojo. But while the sensationalism 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.720 of these characters made waves, the band's staying power came 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.720 from their deep connection to the people. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.200 Links the band's success, to quote the songs that people live, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.000 the events that happen every day. So it wasn't all 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.240 gunfights in gangster gland. They sing about every day hint 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:04.160 the strogles too. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.440 And especially every day Mexicanos here in the States, because 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.120 remember those das were undocumented for much of their career, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.200 and before their breakout, they were out in the fields. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.480 They sang from their own experience, and they sang about 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.280 what they saw others going through. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.640 Just look at La, their song from nineteen eighty four. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.360 It's from the pov of an undocumented immigrant reflecting on 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.520 a decade of life in the United States. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.920 He remembers bringing his kids over the border and how 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.000 sad he is that they can't remember what Mexico was 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.120 like meanwhile, he can never forget. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.160 He can make money in this land, but he can't 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.600 risk going back to his home without the right papers. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.600 He's in a golden cage. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:50.040 Oh nahow la. This was a reality for all whole 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.760 ass generation of Mexicanos entering the US, and it just 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.920 so happened to be the biggest generation of Mexican immigrants 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.120 Grengorlandia had ever seen. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.640 Because once upon a time, the US actively sought out 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.280 Mexican immigrants through the Brasseto Program, an initiative aimed at 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.719 addressing labor shortages from World War Two. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.839 The program lasted until the mid nineteen sixties and brought 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.760 four point five million Mexican workers into the States. Can 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.000 you imagine if they did this now? Genuinely I cannot. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.679 And this was the biggest influx of documented and undocumented 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.839 immigrants in history. And they were all staking out new 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.800 lives in the US while sending money home. And the 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.560 crazy thing is Los Thedias were right there with them, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.920 working to pay for their dad's surgery. But I can 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.960 see why some people might feel kind of icky about 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.600 the narco corridos, Like these Gemingos already think we're bringing drugs, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.760 But why are you singing songs about it? 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.600 Not just singing songs about it, but singing songs that 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.199 glorify it. That is, if you side with the critics. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.880 Is that what they said about loss? 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.720 Well, over the years, Mexican radio stations have actually banned 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.360 Los Degres songs under the pretense that they promote and 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.880 glorify Narco culture. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:14.920 The songs being Contrabandorecion, El Gato Felix, lavand Del Vivos. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.840 Right, and it's also worth pointing out two of those 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.560 songs aren't about los narcos. El Gato Felix is about 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.679 the death of a journalist who turned up the heat 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.640 on the government, while Vivan los Mojados is a song 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.240 that honors undocumented migrants. I also have to point out 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.880 that is a reclamation of an old slur, which I 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.160 still to this day hate saying. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.559 So basically, you're saying that Narco staff was an excuse 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.200 to censor other ships. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.760 Well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Right, Let's take 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.400 a look at one of their biggest songs about Narco, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.640 El Hefe the Hefes. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:54.560 I love that song. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.080 I know you. I was like, you are the heffe 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:02.360 the heafes. So the song's narra is Felix Gayardo, the 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:08.400 founder of Guadalajara's first cartel. The lyrics if you will, Joseph. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.040 I'm the boss of bosses, Senoris. I am respected at 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.480 all levels. You'll never see my name or my photo 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.280 in the papers because journalists love me, and if they don't, 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:19.480 they lose my friendship. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:25.480 Okay, So friendship here meaning goodwill. So he's basically saying, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.000 if you print my name. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.760 Then blah blah blah. Okay. 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.680 He goes on to say that his line of work 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.760 is cost him and that those who have tried to 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.880 touch his crown have died doing so. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.839 Like I didn't want to do it, but I had 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:42.959 to mm hmmm. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.560 And out running the government is a game for him, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.680 and he grants favors to important people. He's simultaneously the 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.680 tree that provides them shade and the hot sun that 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.160 would otherwise bear down on them. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.400 I mean that does sound like a cartel boss. It 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:03.360 sounds less glam and more accurate. Wait, if people like 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.520 e heve went after journalists for exposing them, why was 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.560 it okay for Los cigras to sing about them? 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.440 Well, Gaiatoga went to prison a long before that song 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.760 came out. But when Losigas sang about narticles at large, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.000 they changed all of the names and details about their subjects. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.120 So it was more like if you know, you know, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.520 but like everyone knows about the Cartels. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.240 No, I mean, the power and influence of Cartel's was 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.040 not a secret by the time radio stations started to 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.600 censor Los Figras, and that's something the group stands firm about. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.800 Ernan Ernandez the basis said, the public knows that we 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.880 sing about reality. If there were a revolution, we would 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.120 sing corrillos about the revolution. It can't cover the sun 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.520 with your finger. By the way, I'm stealing that quote. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.319 Hold on, wait, this is giving some Daddy Yankee flashbacks. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:55.800 They want to shut down. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.480 A narco corrillos, just like the government in Puerto Rico 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.680 wanted a censor and phone. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:05.400 And sometimes they succeed. Radio stations across Mexico entered into 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:10.640 quote unquote voluntary agreements, promising not to play the music, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.400 sometimes at the behest of the government, sometimes on their own. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.920 But lostigs still got huge with or without the airplay. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.520 Jorca said in an interview that quote every time they 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.360 banned a song, it's sold more people like what's prohibited, 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.360 which is why a case of OG four loco would 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.200 get you stacks on the dark web. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.559 How do you know shit like this, Joseph, what you think? 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.160 I don't know about the dark web. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.920 No, I'm saying, are you buying the locos? Or are 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:42.880 you so like that? 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.440 For to keep the specifics of my Negotio's as the mic, 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.120 Thank you and please anyway. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.280 The censorship of narco corridos continues to this day. Just 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.440 last year, the state of the Wana banned Narco Corridos 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.600 from the airwaves in response to the popularity of Corrido 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.440 to other the artists like Bessel Bluma. Back in the 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.319 year two thousand, the president of the Society of Writers 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.560 of Mexico argued, the state governments have made a mistake. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.600 They want to sanction the consequence and not the cause. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.240 They believe that by banning the sale of CDs in stores, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.160 or by not allowing goridos to be heard on the 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.400 radio and television, they will stop the phenomenon of drug trafficking. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.440 The phenomenon is deeper. The gorrido doesn't cause it, It 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.000 simply reflects it. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.239 Boom facts. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:33.720 This is always the conversation happening, which is chicken or egg. Right, 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.920 It's the simplest way to look at it is that 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:41.400 I am not here for glorifying Natical culture. I mean, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.520 I can honestly say that I have never watched an 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.640 entire episode of the show Natkos on Netflix, and people 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.960 think it's wild that I've never seen it. I'm like, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:55.000 why because I'm Mexican. Oh, I just don't need to 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.200 watch it because I think what happens is when you 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.200 put these images into the world, people use it as 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.880 a stereotype, right, Like we have enough to fight against 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.400 as Mexicans, I don't need to also be fighting eighteen 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.680 seasons of narticles on Netflix. Like there's more to an 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.760 entire country than just this show. So I don't know, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.280 I just it's not for me. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.360 Well, here's the thing with at least their music, I 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.040 just kind of feel like they aren't telling you that 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.360 they want the bitches and hosts. They're giving kind of 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.920 a point of view. They're just kind of saying what's around, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.480 you know what I mean, Like in a situation, they're 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.240 never saying it's them. They're never saying they are trying 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.680 to achieve this, so I feel like they're not really 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.800 like supporting it, like they're just stuck in that situation. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.520 Yes, I hear you, and I'm not saying listen, let 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.080 me be very clear. I am not saying that the 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.360 music from Las Vegos is creating the same issues that 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.960 shows like Narcos or Griselda Orrina rel Sur is creating. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.320 I am not saying that at all. I think that 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.600 the music is more of a reflection of what is 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.600 happening in our culture right, and I think that's not 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.200 for them to fix. They're artists. They're reflecting what they 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.320 say back to us. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.280 And what makes that cool is that, like, for example, 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.320 they said they saw something, right, they saw this woman. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.440 We're going to say her name is Griselda or whatever 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.240 her name is, and then all of a sudden people 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.400 took that and they elaborated it, and then they made 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.360 a movie of something Griselda. Yeah, that's how impactful. And 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.080 they're not talking about themselves or their girlfriend named Griselda. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.960 They're saying, we saw this bitch named something, and this 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.680 is what she was up to, and now people are 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.840 making movies of it. Like they're just telling you what's 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.280 going on? 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.560 Right, and Lastygas can't pick and choose who likes their music. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.760 They can't be like, oh, sorry, not goals, don't listen 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.120 to our albums. You know that they can't do that, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:44.840 Like people find your music that like it, and you 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.320 can't control the audience. It's also it's a story as 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.800 old as time, Like we've been talking about easter eggs. Right, 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.120 you talk about Taylor Swift's music, we all think that 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.400 she's talking about John Mayer, she's talking about Travis Kelcey, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.800 or she's talking about Matt Healy, Like you don't actually 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.840 know who the fuck she's talking about because she's Taylor 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.320 Swift and the only person that knows what she's talking 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.520 about is Taylor Swift. So you've got to let artists 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.199 be to some degree and take creative liberty with their 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.639 lyrics and their music. And that's what they were doing. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.439 If you, as their adoring fans, want to interpret what 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.560 they're saying, then you can. But if the artist is 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.280 saying that's not what it's about, it's not what we support, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.200 you kind of have to take them at their word, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.720 or if you don't want to, just don't listen to 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:29.639 the music. This is all very complicated and it's often 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.680 used to draw pretty big conclusions and accusations. For example, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.040 that THEGIS music was a tool. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:41.040 For recruiting listeners into cartelss are ulswan record that they've 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.760 never been paid to write a song for a cartel 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:48.040 boss or play any private shows for night clost which 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.160 listeners should know that is a state. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.320 Oh yeah, it's a whole ass thing. I mean, there 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.760 are music videos produced by the cartels, but there's also 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:02.840 really famous popular music acts that are paid like hundreds 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.880 of thousands of dollars to perform at Natcal parties. I'm 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.760 talking about parties for the cartels, but I'm also talking 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.200 about their kids keep singing yet as like their kids baptism. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.960 I mean, this is the thing, I think one of 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.880 the most famous rumors, and I'm just going to call 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.960 it an allegation. It was alleged that Jenny Rivera used 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:27.359 to perform for narticles before, of course, her tragic death 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.600 in that plane crash. So this is the thing that 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.720 happens all over Mexico. And it's not huge acts. Sometimes 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.719 it's smaller acts that maybe we don't know that are 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.800 more regional. But the cartels are definitely funding a lot 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.280 of musical performances. It's like when Beyonce went to Dubai 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.240 to perform for that hotel, like that level of shit. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.080 But for all the. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.200 Association between those Thetis and narco corridos, eldest at Mano 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.840 Jorge insists that they don't sing narco corridos. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.800 He told PBS quote, we do not worship rug toughers. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.480 We do not sing narco corridos. We only sing corridos. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.280 Like we heard earlier for Los Figers. Corridos are simply 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.560 the truth. When little brother Ed Nunn mentioned singing about 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.040 a revolution, he was throwing it back to the Mexican 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.760 Revolution because in those days, corridos were a form of journalism. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.840 Or x fka Twitter, which ain't perfect. You might get 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.560 some tea that even a tabloid wouldn't touch, but that 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.879 doesn't always mean it's for real. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.560 Right, There are plenty of narco corridos that have painted 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.560 Los Narracos in a glamorous light, and they still do. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.240 But as Lospigers themselves have pointed out, banning their music 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.639 has only made people more eager to find it and 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.000 listen to it. So all in all you can feel 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:49.040 for Anhil Gonzalez, the writer of Gondraban Utracion, He must 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.080 have felt as though he let a genie out of 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:51.600 a bottle. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:54.680 Is someone hinting to our next. 0:19:54.800 --> 0:20:00.359 Icon Tranguilo traquilo? Gu We've still got an epina half 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.439 with our boys, and they're about to hit some major 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:16.719 bumps in the road, Joseph, have you ever had a 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.479 loved one fall under the spell of somebody they trust? 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.880 Girl? My friend Rashida still has a title subscription out 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.000 of loyalty to Quimby. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.639 Ugh, that's dire. Can you get her off that? 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:28.960 Try? 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.560 Well, what we're about to talk about is a little 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:36.160 different than making questionable streaming choices. So we've seen how 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:42.879 Art Walker you mean, you Grant. We've seen how Los 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.920 Manager really did seem to have their interest at heart. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.800 Hoda even said he saw him like a surrogate father 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:49.720 in the US. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.200 He told him that they could be bigger and better, 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.119 and he really did help them get there. 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:59.120 In the seventies, Las Vega's popularity exploded faster than even 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.720 he could imagine. That's why Art was in the market 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:02.520 for a little help. 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.080 Smart move. If you know how to look for the 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:05.719 right person. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.520 Right and unfortunate, Arturo Caminante would walk right into the 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.320 arms of the wrong guy. 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.480 With all the sterious strangers in this story, one of 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.160 them was bound to be a bad one. 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.960 And this is probably the most mysterious stranger of them 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.720 all because we don't even know his name. I know, publicly, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.560 Los Thegoes have only ever referred to the man as 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:37.640 El Italiano, the Italian. I mean no disrespect to Italians, 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.040 it's just the only specific detail Lostigias I've ever mentioned 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:41.840 about this guy. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.719 It's just like their corridos. They don't name names, but 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.120 they make everything sound cool and western. 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:55.040 According to Ernan Ernandez, the Italian joined Los Figos' business 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.720 to say it with me now without a contract, fam, 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:04.440 when are we gonna learn? I mean, Latinos get lawyers. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:09.600 Do not be signing fabels without reading. Okay, mom, I'm 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.040 talking to you mom. Hello. Now. This arrangement was strictly 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.399 quote unquote honor system, and the boys could kind of 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:18.840 tell something wasn't right. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.160 I bet they wondered why they didn't have more money 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:23.880