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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Zach Braf here. I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: open the show and talk about merch because Donald and

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Speaker 1: I always forget to talk about merch. And Christmas is

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Speaker 1: coming up, and you know what your loved ones want,

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Speaker 1: and you know what you want more than anything really

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Speaker 1: is some good old fake doctors, real friends, merch. Most

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Speaker 1: appropriately for Christmas, there's a Christmas ornament of me riding

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Speaker 1: Donald Eagle style, not any other style, me riding Donald.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful ornament. And I'm gonna tell you about

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Speaker 1: everything else on here real quick. What you do is

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Speaker 1: you go to Cottonbureau dot com and then just search

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Speaker 1: for fake doctors cottonbureau dot com and then search for

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Speaker 1: fake doctors. There's wrapping paper with our faces on it.

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Speaker 1: There's a beach towel. There's a washcloth because you know,

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Speaker 1: we like to talk about washcloths. There's three different T shirts.

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Speaker 1: There's a pop socket for your phone of me eagling Donald.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: This is really cool. For those of you who have

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Speaker 1: to wear a badge to work, particularly in the medical profession,

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Speaker 1: there's a badge holder with our faces on it that

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Speaker 1: has one of those pull out things for when you

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Speaker 1: have to swipe your badge on things. I want one

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Speaker 1: of those, and I don't even have a place to

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Speaker 1: wear a badge. I see someone made a Queen Joel

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Speaker 1: T shirt. I don't even know if that's through us

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Speaker 1: or what, but ah this I see there's some like

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Speaker 1: after marketing looking ones things, meaning we didn't make them.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, there's cool stuff on you.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Also, most importantly, there's a few of our legendary onesies left,

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Speaker 1: but they're only small and medium. If you happen to

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Speaker 1: be a smaller medium human being, you could get one

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Speaker 1: of those limited edition onesies we made, which are pretty hilarious.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Go check out the store. There's cool stuff

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Speaker 1: for your Christmas, gift giving season, and Hanukah and Kwanza

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Speaker 1: and any other holiday where you give presents. Okay, here's

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Speaker 1: the show. I have a cold. Donald, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm gonna tell you something. Guess what. I still

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Speaker 3: love you even with your cold.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something you might let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something. Let me tell you something. To be the

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Speaker 1: worst time to be single ever is when you have

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Speaker 1: a cold. Nobody's taking care of me. I got a

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Speaker 1: leaf flower next door that I really want to go

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Speaker 1: talk to mister leaf flower and say, bro, not today.

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Speaker 1: I'm sick, I'm irritable, and your leaf flower, I believe

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Speaker 1: the law is in LA you have to switch to electric.

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Speaker 4: It's time well electric. If you could smell it, it's

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Speaker 4: a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Smell it. It's so loud. Everyone's just blowing the leaves

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Speaker 1: to each other's part.

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Speaker 3: Electric leaf flower is going to be really loud too.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not that bad.

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Speaker 4: I haven't. I know how loud that shit is listening. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I can combat the motherfucking gardener next door. When they're

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Speaker 4: blowing all the dust on me, I'm like, no, fuck you.

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Speaker 3: And that shit go outside.

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Speaker 1: I go outside and I see the neighbor's gardener is

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Speaker 1: just blowing the leaf he's onto my property. And then

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: It's a what do they call Daniel cycle? A Sissaphian task.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, or or a borrow's a snake eating itself. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: it could be fantastic. Was pulling on the rock up

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Speaker 5: the hill, yeah, and that just.

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Speaker 3: It could just be a vicious cycle.

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Speaker 1: So when you get sick, does your level, like take

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Speaker 1: care of you and make you soup and tell you

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Speaker 1: she loves you and rub your back.

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Speaker 3: No, she's like, get the fuck away from me.

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Speaker 1: Oh that sounds not worth it. It's not.

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Speaker 3: Back and obey. When we were when we were first

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Speaker 3: starting out, absolutely once the kids got there, was like, nah,

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Speaker 3: you're not if it ain't if you're not sick, If

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Speaker 3: you're not a sick child, I don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: So when you have a cold, you don't get any

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Speaker 1: extra love and any any back rubs, any I got

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Speaker 3: No, I get that. Don't fucking touch me.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, you're sick.

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Speaker 4: But she likes to get cuddled when she that's the

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Speaker 4: only time. That's when I know she's sick. When she's

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Speaker 3: And that feels like me, are you sick?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like me if I was at your house

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Speaker 1: right now, that's what I'd be trying to do, trying

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Speaker 3: What are you sick of? Something?

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Speaker 1: You see that funny cartoon that guy drew us on Instagram?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 1: What you want do you want to meet in your head? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so funny. I want that on merch, except I

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Speaker 1: don't like my nose. He really, he really did a

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Speaker 3: I like that as a picture in the house piece.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I like that. If I could, if

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Speaker 1: I could get him to reconsider my nose, I might

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Speaker 1: like it on merch.

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Speaker 4: He should print it like thirty times and see how

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Speaker 4: much he can get one for thirty two, for thirty three.

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Speaker 3: You know like that. He should do that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would argue, I would like him to talk.

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Speaker 1: I would just like to give him some notes on

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Speaker 1: my nose first before he does his limited edition prints.

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Speaker 3: Dude, it's a cartoon man. Look at the size of

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Speaker 1: Come on, I know, but can you draw me with

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Speaker 1: a big nose and not have it you that bad?

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Speaker 1: So vain, I'm so vain that I'm like analyzing my

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Speaker 3: On one of the like on street art character too.

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Speaker 1: It's funny though, caricature caricature too. I finally got Casey

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Speaker 1: to be texting me again because I found a good

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Speaker 1: show for us to watch, A good watch, True Crime.

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Speaker 1: There's my trick This is my trick with the faisons.

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Speaker 1: I've given up on Donald's. He's not a good text friend.

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Speaker 3: I don't watch TV shots.

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Speaker 1: No, you also just like you don't reply, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I do, I reply haha or yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens. I send Donald an he doesn't

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Speaker 1: even write. He doesn't even it's a meme. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: even write lol or heart it. He just reposts it

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Speaker 3: And all my memes are all of my memes that

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Speaker 3: I post, like, if it's not stop motion animation, Zach

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Speaker 3: probably sent it to me and look at it, but

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Speaker 3: I look at it like you sent it to me,

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Speaker 3: because you're like, I can't post this, but you can post.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not all like that, some of them. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you post more crazy shit than I

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Speaker 1: post on my shit. I just send them to you

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Speaker 1: to make you laugh. The reason only way I know

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Speaker 1: that you laughed is that you repost them on your Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Now you have a horrible text chat game. Well, Casey,

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Speaker 1: the trick with her because she's got a lot going

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Speaker 1: on with them kids and you is I get her

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Speaker 1: into a good true crime show and then we text

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Speaker 1: back and forth like, can you believe what she's doing.

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Speaker 3: Last night?

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Speaker 1: Eleven last night, like eleven thirty, she's texting me, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm moving on to number episode two. I'm so mad

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Speaker 1: at this bitch. Oh man, I'm like that sounds like

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Speaker 1: my I'm gonna read I'm gonna read these texts in

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Speaker 1: the morning.

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Speaker 3: So that's what you guys were watching. She didn't make it.

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Speaker 3: Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

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Speaker 1: Man, Zach what shows says? Oh, it's called it's so

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Speaker 1: fucked up.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, I forget that we're on I forget that

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Speaker 3: we're on TV. Now. She's not dressed, so never mind

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Speaker 3: passed out. She didn't make it. She didn't make she

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Speaker 3: didn't make uh, she didn't make it through five minutes

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Speaker 3: I fell asleep again.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is on television, so you gotta remember that.

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Speaker 4: What's it called, well, titties is nice?

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Speaker 1: Are you making naked?

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Speaker 3: She's naked.

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Speaker 6: I have a shirt on, but I don't have a

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Speaker 7: And you know I have gigantic tits and they're not gigantic.

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Speaker 3: But they are.

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Speaker 1: Well our viewers could use a little lie. Why are

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Speaker 1: you framing yourself out. What is that?

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Speaker 6: I'm right here, I'm looking in that thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, give us a little something, okay.

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Speaker 3: Blurt bla.

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Speaker 1: What's the name of the show? I forgot it? It's

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Speaker 1: called Lies? Anatomy of Lies?

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Speaker 6: What a crazy bitch?

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Speaker 7: It's I mean, Can I let me just say something, Zach,

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Speaker 7: You and I watch so much stuff and nothing really

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Speaker 7: every fifteen minutes of this.

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Speaker 1: Anatomy of Lies. It's on Peacock and it's a story

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Speaker 1: of a Gray's Anatomy writer who turns out is has

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Speaker 1: she she does all these insane lies in her life

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Speaker 1: and basically steals people's stories and then puts them in

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Speaker 1: says that they happen to her, and they get crazier

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Speaker 1: and crazier and crazier, and then they finally catch her

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Speaker 1: when this woman whose life I.

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Speaker 6: Haven't finished, I haven't finished.

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Speaker 3: It was an insane man into the second.

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Speaker 6: I know, but I don't like to I don't like

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Speaker 6: to waste it.

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Speaker 3: All to him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jesus, it was this insane Vanity Fair article and

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Speaker 1: then I guess Vanity Fair then turned it into a documentary.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's only three episodes. Audience, you

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Speaker 1: got to see this. It makes you scared to talk

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Speaker 1: to humans. But you don't know.

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Speaker 6: First of all, not that I don't want to ruin it.

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Speaker 1: I don't spoil it for people.

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Speaker 7: Well, I got to say this one thing. How fucked

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Speaker 7: up again? I've only got through one episode. How fucked

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Speaker 7: up was it when that co writer confided in her

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Speaker 7: and about her yeah story, Well.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell everyone. Yeah, her co writer, her co writer

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Speaker 1: confides in her something else, Her co writer at Gray's

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Speaker 1: Anatomy confides in her this tragedy that happened to her,

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Speaker 1: and then she basically takes the story and puts it

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Speaker 1: with it. Well, and it was her coworker's private story.

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Speaker 1: I don't know it cants crazier and crazy and crazier

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Speaker 1: by the way, you think you've seen crazy, you've only

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Speaker 1: seen episode one.

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Speaker 7: I know, and you want to know something, Zach not

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Speaker 7: to make this not to sidetrack, but this shit.

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Speaker 6: People are like this. I'm not going to name any names,

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Speaker 6: but I had a friend, co worker or whatever that

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Speaker 2: Stay married forever.

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Speaker 6: Seriously, all right, put your.

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Speaker 7: I am crazy for what? Crazy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You married? Well, dude, you're so lucky. You're so lucky.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is on TV.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad she showed her nipples and everything. She shook

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this podcast, she said, we need to fall back

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Speaker 3: You blur out my peep. What it's not only fans

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it works.

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Speaker 1: Good for her.

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Speaker 4: And what is and what is? How far is taboo

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to show peep. My only fans

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Speaker 3: Ain't making no money? Then you want to see me?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to see me? Just catch be like

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Speaker 3: Paid money for this ship.

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Speaker 1: I can show me that dick if you go on

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Speaker 4: Right yeah, I mean it's what look only Fans was

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's I don't know how much you'd make, but

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Speaker 3: So does that How is that how it works?

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Speaker 1: You need to have subscribe for a month, and then

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Speaker 1: this is just like baseline stuff. You're just like giving

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Speaker 3: That's how it works, Yeah, listen, I'm not gonna show

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the way it works. I think

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Speaker 1: but for one hundred bucks, I'll stick this fucking lightsaber.

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Speaker 3: In me, am in me.

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Speaker 8: Really well, people are going to want you to perform.

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Speaker 8: You can't just do nothing, can I Wow? I could

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Speaker 8: be This could be a decent way for you to

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Speaker 1: Though. It could be a decent when your acting career

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Speaker 1: and certainly would suck up our T mobile campaign.

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Speaker 3: Definitely. I think would lose both.

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Speaker 1: But but you'd have to choose. You can have both.

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Speaker 3: The money. I think about the money, Zach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna make that much. I

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Speaker 3: My ass is fucking beautiful, and I'm sure it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of you don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of gay men that would

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Speaker 1: maybe I can. Dannel, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Survey says money, women out there, survey. Let's do a survey, Carmen.

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Speaker 5: There's car people. I'm sure there's plenty of people who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's saying there's no women that want to see I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sure some they'd be women.

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Speaker 3: Are people? I'm sure he is no, no, no, he

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're saying there are women.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he said, be like men would want to

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are women as well. Yeah, but Daniel,

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest pichart would be a straight scrubs

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Speaker 1: That's true, That's probably true, and I'm one of them.

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Speaker 1: Is Michael you're here? Yes he is.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: We made about a bunch of said he's a stormy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well hell well, hello, Hi, you got my wife.

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Speaker 4: The first thing she said to me, make sure you

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, but I guess we

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Speaker 2: I think I we did talk a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: Michael Urie, I'm so excited you're here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I I have to confess to you something I didn't

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Speaker 1: watch Ugly Betty. I didn't know how fucking funny you

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Speaker 1: were until I met you on the set of Shrinking,

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Speaker 1: and I think you are so fucking hilarious and talented.

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Speaker 1: That is your introduction to the show.

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Speaker 2: That means a lot. Thank you. I didn't expect you

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Speaker 2: to watch Ugly Betty. You're a straight guy?

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Speaker 1: Really? Is that?

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Speaker 3: Betty was Ugly Betty for the ladies and the gays?

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Speaker 2: I guess I would get all the time when that

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Speaker 1: Straight guys love you now because you're like the dream

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Speaker 1: what was Ugly better? Just take us back? What was

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Speaker 1: uly ugly Betty was your big break? I take it right.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go back before that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Donald, go back, Let's start at the very We

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Speaker 1: finally have someone who appreciate It's musicals as much as

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Speaker 1: we do on the show. Donald, I'll get every reference

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Speaker 1: you'll get, He'll get every reference.

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Speaker 2: Bring them.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well what about this one?

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Speaker 2: What was that bringing the noise, bringing the funk?

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Speaker 3: Holy?

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Speaker 2: Holy?

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Speaker 1: Was that? Actually? Was that actually a piece of tap?

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Speaker 3: I was trying to imitate a piece of tap.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so I got arrested. I got arrested for

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Speaker 2: The Public Theater ended up getting us out much faster

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Speaker 3: God, yo, dude, who listen, this isn't and this isn't

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Speaker 4: I remember, my mom said, I went and saw Noise

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Speaker 3: It was in there, I meaning.

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Speaker 2: The weed, Like that's what happens that month upon a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, did you used to go see what was

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Speaker 2: ended up not coming to Broadway, but it was so

443
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: exciting to see Tommy Tooon. And then they brought in

444
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: Ralph Maccio and had to succeed in business without really trying.

445
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: That's awesome and it was so good.

446
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 2: He was playing the Matthew Broaderick part, and and uh

447
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: and Roger Bart, who is now a big Broadway start.

448
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: He's in Back to the Future now and he's been

449
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: in a million things. He was playing the villain Bud Frump.

450
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: And I remember seeing that show and being completely blown

451
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: away and thinking that I want that part. I want

452
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: Bud Frump because he was Roger Bart was so good

453
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: and it was and I'm not not really a singer,

454
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: and I could I could sing that, I could do that,

455
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: and I ended up getting to do that. Was the

456
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: first Broadway show I ever did. Was how to succeed

457
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: in playing that role. So I sort of like like,

458
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: chase that all the way amazing?

459
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 3: So wait when you got it?

460
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: You know how that is when you get it, doesn't

461
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: it feel like it's gratifying to finally get to that

462
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 4: point because like you got there. But then afterwards, when

463
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: after you were done, was it like all right, now

464
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 4: what do I do?

465
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: What's next? What's gonna be what's going to be next?

466
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: For me?

467
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: It is weird when you have like a dream like

468
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: that and it comes true, like like, how do you

469
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about this, about this idea of

470
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: like dream roles or or like you know, having these

471
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: because because we do, what we do is something we

472
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: like and like our work is also our love like

473
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: and so it's this this sort of trap where you

474
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: fall in love with something and saying, oh, I want that,

475
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: I want to do that, I want to be I

476
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: want to be in that, or I want to play

477
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: that part, and if it doesn't come doesn't come to you,

478
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen. It's so sad, so much sadder than

479
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: if it's a role that you don't really care about

480
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: or a job that you don't really care about. And

481
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: I was so lucky to have that. But I also

482
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: when I got So this is a crazy story. Actually

483
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: I ended up getting to do that show on Broadway,

484
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: and it was my Broadway debut. But I was supposed

485
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: to open it. It was a revival with Daniel Radcliffe

486
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: playing the lead, and I was supposed to be in

487
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: it from the beginning. And uh, for like six months

488
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: I had this part. I'd done the workshop and I

489
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: chased it and I got it, and and for six

490
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: months I had this part. And then all of a sudden,

491
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: they said one of the rights holders wasn't there that day,

492
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 2: and you have to come and re audition.

493
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

494
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: So it's like some so like so somebody's somebody's you

495
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: know son who wrote the show. You know that their

496
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: parents wrote the show. They suddenly decided they needed to

497
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: weigh in, and I lost the job.

498
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 3: No what Yeah, And.

499
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: I the director and all the producers and everybody wants you,

500
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: and you've done the workshop and you're yeah, and you're

501
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: set to go. And then one of the children of

502
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: the rights holders says note about you.

503
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, said no to me, And so I lost the job.

504
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: And it was devastating. I found out I was getting

505
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: on a plane to go to the UK and do

506
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: this a little movie and like the Fringe Festival. I

507
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: had this whole cool like UK summer planned, and then

508
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: I was going to get back and go into rehearsal

509
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: for my Broadway debut. And suddenly it was like it

510
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: was taken from me. But guess who it was. It's

511
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: so so the guy who wrote the people who wrote

512
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: How to Succeed a Business are Frank Lesser and Abe Burrows,

513
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: and Frank Lesser's widow, Joe Lesser, had approved me. But

514
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: a Burrow's son is James.

515
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Burrows, the famous sitcom director.

516
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: The famous sick the guy who Burrows Jimmy Burrows, the

517
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: guy who directed Cheers as Friends, all Friends and Will

518
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: and Grace and Fraser and all the great stuff, all

519
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: the greats.

520
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 3: Wow, he's the guy.

521
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: He Yeah, So that must have been a mind fuck

522
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: for you. It wasn't it Like, it wasn't just like

523
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: somebody's kid. It was a famous director.

524
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: It was like a yeah, like a name I had

525
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: seen over and over and over again my entire life,

526
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: and somebody I had aspired to work for. And it

527
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: was really really hard and really devastating.

528
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: How did you get over that. I mean, we must

529
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: be hurtling. Yeah, that's hurting my heart as a fellow

530
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: actor right now.

531
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: It was really hard. In fact, there's a there's a

532
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: shoe sign shoe shine stand in JFK that I sat

533
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: in and cried when I found out because I was

534
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: on my way to the UK, and I sat in

535
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: the shoeshine stand and cried. And I still see it

536
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: from time to time when I met JFK and I think,

537
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that's where so yeah, where it is again, dude.

538
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: Began I drive by the Ralphs where I would buy

539
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: the foot long sandwiches for lunch and dinner, and I go,

540
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: I remember you, Ralphs.

541
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: I bet you that foot long don't hit like it

542
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: used to. Though, bro, I.

543
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Don't eat them rous foot longs anymore.

544
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: Donald, like they don't hit like they used to.

545
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Burrows wishes you could hire Michael Uri now.

546
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: Donald, Jimmy Burrows is like Jimmy Burrows is like this

547
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: motherfucker went from like, hold up, you got a story.

548
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna let you say, well, well, I ended

549
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: up working with Jimmy.

550
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: I got a job that Jimmy was doing I got

551
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: a series that Jimmy directed, and and I didn't bring

552
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: it up. I never brought it up. He knew I

553
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: was in the show because I so. Anyway, later later,

554
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: and how did you venture the show? The show ran

555
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: for a year, this this great guy named Christopher Hankey,

556
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: and it wasn't like it was between us. It was

557
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: I was mine to lose, and I lost it. And

558
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: then they went back and found this great actor, Christopher Hanky,

559
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: and he did it with Daniel Radcliffe. They did it

560
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: for a year and then they decided to keep it

561
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: going with some new actors. Nick Jonas and bow Bridges

562
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: came in and they said, you're You're, You're, You're, You're in.

563
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, what about what about Jimmy Burrows

564
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: And they're like, we don't care, We're not even asking

565
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: him this time. And I got to do it and

566
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: it was my Broadway debut and it was an amazing experience.

567
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: It was it was fabulous.

568
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: And while I was.

569
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Doing it, I got a pilot for Max Muchnik and

570
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: David Cohen and it was directed by Jimmy Burrows. And

571
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: I got the audition and I was like, guys, why

572
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: I can't audition for this. Jimmy Burrows hates me. I

573
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: can prove it. He hates me. And I lost this

574
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: job and they said no, no, no, just go, just go

575
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: just audition, and I got it and I was too

576
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: scared to mention it to him. I never mentioned it

577
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: to him, but he knew I was in the show

578
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: and he asked me about it. So we talked about

579
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: the show, and he talked about like the history of

580
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: the show, but he never brought up that awkward.

581
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand I wouldn't have brought it up either.

582
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, what are you going to say? Yeah,

583
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: you fired me, bro.

584
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I say, you made me cry in a JFK sh shinebox.

585
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll show you next time we're there.

586
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: Hey, Jimmy, go get you shinebox.

587
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

588
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: But I love Jimmy. I mean I loved him so much.

589
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: I had I had the best time.

590
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't love Jimmy. Jimmy came to visit the Scrub set.

591
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember that Donald?

592
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't remember.

593
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: He is his kids, and I assume he loved it,

594
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: and uh, And they came and had a tour one

595
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: day and we were all like, oh my god, it's

596
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy Burrows.

597
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: You know, the only time I've ever gotten fired from

598
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: something was Will and Grace and freaking he was directed,

599
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 4: my god, and that's the one time I ever got fired.

600
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: I didn't even make I got to the table read

601
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: and then to the first day of rehearsal, and by

602
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: the end the first day of rehearsal, I was out

603
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: of there.

604
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: I was doing what were you doing? You did they

605
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: tell you what they didn't like about you? What you're doing?

606
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: No, they didn't say anything. I just got fired.

607
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: I didn't even I was supposed to be the love

608
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: interest with Deborah Messing and she was never even on

609
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: set with me, so I never even had to We've

610
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: never even had the opportunity to create any type of

611
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: chemistry or anything.

612
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: And when you saw Doulay Hill do it, how did

613
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: you feel that?

614
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: Well, you know it was Donald Glover who got No.

615
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: Was it to lay Hill? I don't know. At that point.

616
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: At that point, I was like, oh, well, fuck Will

617
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: and Grace, then don't I'll never watch this show ever again.

618
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Dude, we have we have a gay guest. Please don't

619
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: say you can't say Willing Grace around me.

620
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, let's take a break.

621
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these fine words. Michael, you

622
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: went to Juilliard. Correct, that's real, Like, that's not that's

623
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: not a typo. You went to Juilliard?

624
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: No, okay, now let me ask you a question.

625
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: How come I can't fucking finish my question because I

626
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: was a question. Let me tell you how I do

627
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: my interviewing a statement and he acknowledges it, and then

628
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: I go in for a question.

629
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: Okay, for your question. I thought that was your question

630
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: because I was starting in the paragraph I was. You

631
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: said that you went to Juilliard, and then he said, yeah,

632
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: I went to Juilliard.

633
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to say something now I don't know. Go ahead, dickhead, Michael,

634
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: you went to Julie was the What was that like?

635
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: And did you enjoy your experience? Do you feel it's

636
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: contributed to you being so successful as you are?

637
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Well, I had a really good experience. Not everyone does,

638
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: but I had a really, really good It was really

639
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: right for me. The age that I was, I was

640
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: a sponge and just wanted all the information and all

641
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: the to learn every thing. And I was I was

642
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: encouraged to audition by somebody. I was going to this

643
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: community college. And I was perfectly happy that I had

644
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: shitty grades in school and and I didn't think I

645
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: had what it takes to be an actor. So I

646
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: was in this community college, still trying to figure it out,

647
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: and somebody said you should audition for Julliard and I

648
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: was like really, and they were serious. They were like, no,

649
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: you really should. That place is for you. And so

650
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: I did. I That's the only school I auditioned for for,

651
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: you know, like Conservative training, Conservatory training, Conservative Training, That's

652
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: where I learned how to be a conservative. No Conservatory Training.

653
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: I didn't go audition anywhere else. And I got in.

654
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean I auditioned and I got in. And then

655
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: suddenly I had to move to New York and and

656
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: get a bunch of student loans and figure out how

657
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: to be a New Yorker. And but the second I

658
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: stepped foot in New York, I felt like I was

659
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: at home. It was like this is this is where

660
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: I belong and and and and the school was is

661
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: exactly what I wanted. It was very rigorous. You're you're

662
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: in class all day and night, and you I lived

663
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: at the dorm the first year, and I lived nearby

664
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: the other years. And you become like a family.

665
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: Your your your.

666
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: Classmates, and you become like a family, and you do

667
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: everything together. You eat and and and study and rehearse

668
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: and take class together, and uh, it was great.

669
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Was it very competitive? Did you when you were there,

670
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: did you feel like, oh my god, some of these

671
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: people are fucking brilliant and I'm and I'm and I

672
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: I aspire to be that good or did you feel like, wow,

673
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I think i'm I respect my peers, but I think

674
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: I might be pretty good. What was your what was

675
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: your heads?

676
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: Interesting? That's an interesting question because it's it's not actually

677
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: competitive when you're there, and because you don't audition once

678
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: you're there. Once you're there, they give you the parts

679
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: and and and you just get placed and things, so

680
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: that it's pretty well, it's pretty even. Everybody kind of

681
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: has a lot to do. And then at the end,

682
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: in the fourth year, it starts to like when agents

683
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: start to come and you know, people get jobs and stuff,

684
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: it starts to get a little bit weird. But I

685
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: definitely there were I definitely thought I didn't think I

686
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: was among the best, but I but I thought I

687
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: I thought I got why I was there. I was

688
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: like oh, I see, I see why I'm part of

689
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: this group because it's not it's not necessarily how do

690
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: I say this delicately, It's not like the best actors

691
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: in the world. It's the actors that fit the Juilliard

692
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: training and that that could be good theater actors and

693
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: could be viable theater actors. So like occasionally a movie

694
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: star somebody with move Like when I was there, Jessica

695
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: ches Dain was in my class, and she was like

696
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: pretty clearly a movie star, like we could tell she

697
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: was also amazing at theater. She's good at everything. But

698
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: then there are other actors that are like, oh, totally

699
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: theater actors there. They're meant the theater, they'll build, they

700
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: could be in any Shakespeare play and they could do

701
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: all that. And while I was there, Oscar Isaac he

702
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: was two years behind, two or three years behind me,

703
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: And that was when he came. That's when I was like, oh,

704
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: that is a movie star. He's like he's got that

705
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: star quality. But that's not really what they're about necessarily.

706
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes they get in, sometimes those kinds of people get in,

707
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: but it's really about like making you like a chameleon

708
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: in the theater and being able to be able to

709
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: do all kinds of different theater.

710
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: Check off.

711
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: It's more theater based than sort of screen acting.

712
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do very little that they do it more now.

713
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: I think when I was there with very little.

714
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: You guys are a lot of television. There's a lot

715
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 4: of you guys in television too.

716
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they've gotten There used to be a thing

717
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: when you got out of Juilliard where everyone in the

718
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: business poo pooed you. They said, you're gonna need three

719
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: years to get rid of the Juilliard thing before you're

720
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: a real actor, and it is, and I think now

721
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: it's a little bit different. I think they're better about

722
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: giving you classes. In fact, you know, at the end

723
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: of school there's like a showcase where you do you

724
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: do scenes for agents and managers and stuff, And up

725
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: until my class, they only did them in New York.

726
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: And then Jessica Chastain lobbied the school to have us

727
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: do our showcase in LA and we were the first

728
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: class to do that.

729
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

730
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: And so we all got LA agents too, and met

731
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: LA casting directors and ever since then they all do that.

732
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: So I think the school has evolved some. But when

733
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: I was there, it was really like about about doing theater,

734
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: about going you know, like trying to be in regional theater,

735
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: doing Shakespeare, doing Chekhov, things like that.

736
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: So that's why all Juilliard graduates when you ask them, yo,

737
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: so what school did you go to? And they go Juilliard,

738
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: the response is so hesitant. It's always the hesitant. What

739
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: kind of person you're going to be an ad about this?

740
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: Are you're gonna be or you're gonna be cool about it?

741
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean? Because you think donald, because

742
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: you think what do you mean?

743
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: I understand, well, Julliard is such a prestigious school for actors,

744
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so when you meet

745
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: someone that went to Juilliard, it's like, oh shit, you

746
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: were able to get first of all, all of us

747
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: auditioned for Juilliard. If you really fucking let's keep it

748
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: one hundred. I didn't really Well, most people I know

749
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: that were into acting, they auditioned for Juilliard and didn't

750
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: get in and then didn't say anything to anybody else

751
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 3: about it. For that shit, I didn't get in, I'll

752
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: keep it to myself. It's like motherfucker's audition for the

753
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse Club didn't get in and didn't tell anybody

754
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: I auditioned for the Mickey Mouse Club too. You know

755
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

756
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: But when you meet when you meet people that went

757
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: like when I meet somebody that went to Juilliard, the

758
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: first thing I think of is do you think you're better.

759
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: Than me because you went to Juilliard? Or are you

760
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: fucking an actor who's out here trying to make it

761
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: happen like everybody else. That's the first thing, right.

762
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 4: The second thing I think is, is my response gonna

763
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: turn you off so much that you're you're now freaking

764
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: you you have your guard up against me because you're

765
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 4: afraid of how I'm going to respond to the prestigious

766
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 4: school that you went to.

767
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: And so you know what I mean.

768
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: That's kind of the way that ladder. The ladder is

769
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: kind of how I always feel. I always feel a

770
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: little bit embarrassed to say that I went to Juilliard

771
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: because it's it's like you know, it is, it is prestigious.

772
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It did set me up for so much.

773
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: But like a lot of the people that I went

774
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: to school with left the business, like a lot of

775
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: people don't don't make it even at Juilliard and and

776
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: you know or or like. The tricky thing about Jilliard

777
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: is like, because it's Juilliard, people don't People often don't pivot.

778
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I think there's so many

779
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: ways you can be in this business besides being on

780
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: screen or on stage. And I think that if I

781
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: hadn't made it as an actor, I would have pivoted.

782
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: I would have done something else. I would have become

783
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: a you know, like you know, a producer.

784
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Or That's what I was saying about my experience is

785
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: that I I just wanted to work in film and

786
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: TV and theater, and if I didn't didn't if I

787
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: couldn't find a way to make a living as an actor,

788
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: I was going to do some other job in production,

789
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: on set, backstage something. I just like being in the

790
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: space of it all.

791
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think I

792
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: think some people from Juliard they think, gosh, I should

793
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: be an actor because I went to Julliard, and I

794
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: can't do anything else.

795
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: You can, mind you, it could totally mind fuck you

796
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: because of that, because of the press, stage behind it

797
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 4: and stuff.

798
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 3: Do you remember your audition, Donald, I did some bullshit. Yeah,

799
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't do.

800
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: Your dance from bringing the noise bringing No, I didn't.

801
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: I did so, Look I did. I did so.

802
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: When I was a kid, my parents were in this

803
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: uh play at the National Black Data called The Ritual

804
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 4: or something like that, and it was based on pretty

805
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 4: much Earth and the people of Earth, right, And there

806
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: was a small paragraph in the in the play.

807
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: And I would go around and I did it everywhere.

808
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 4: I did it from junior high school all the way

809
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: to like I didn't go to college, but for every

810
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: audition I went out for, for high school and for college,

811
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: I did this audition. It didn't I didn't get much

812
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: of it, but it was what if we did not

813
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 4: come from Africa.

814
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: But to Africa? Think about that? What if we did

815
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: not come from Africa but to Africa? What if a

816
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: million years ago? Shit, I forgot it.

817
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: We weren't we weren't going to ask you to perform

818
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: the model anyway.

819
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: It's literally it's there's only like, there's literally only two

820
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 3: more lines to it. What if a million years ago?

821
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: That was the whole audition?

822
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: Pretty much?

823
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: And you should have had me coach you. I mean,

824
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's.

825
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: It didn't get me into anything.

826
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: But Michael Urry's going in there like to be or

827
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: not to be, and you're like, what if we come

828
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: from earth?

829
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: Exactly? Exactly exactly.

830
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: It's a brain teaser, right exactly.

831
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: And so it worked on some things.

832
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: It worked for certain auditions, but they were looking for

833
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 4: substance and stuff.

834
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 3: They were like, motherfucker, come on, be like good.

835
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: I bet it worked on this. I bet it worked

836
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: on this.

837
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 9: Line.

838
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: That's Donald and a Folders commercial.

839
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: Michael, it didn't work on that one either.

840
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: But did you just do that or did you have

841
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: a no?

842
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: That was it?

843
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: Like?

844
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: That was?

845
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: That was pretty much it like it's that.

846
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know any better. It's like

847
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: coming out to Los Angeles. If you're not.

848
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 4: Prepared, you you could freaking fall apart here. Like so

849
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: you know, Michael, you got on the line, your publicist

850
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 4: was on the line to protect you and stuff like that.

851
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: That's a fucking you were prepared for this, for this

852
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: podcast today. When I came out to LA I wasn't prepared.

853
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: I wasn't prepared for any other ship. Came out here

854
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: on a whim. I made some money, Let's fucking.

855
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: Go, you know what I mean? I didn't. I didn't

856
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: know the business. I didn't know any of that.

857
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: So that's how.

858
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: It's hard to learn that the business part of acting

859
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: is way easier than the business.

860
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: That's well said.

861
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: I agree, well done, well done.

862
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hard thing to figure out, this billness.

863
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: It's still I still don't understand it.

864
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now we have changing But now we have

865
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: people that are in our lives to support us and

866
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and you can always tell oh, you're

867
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: not really and and we now have the power in

868
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: the autonomy to say to motherfucker shoe, you're not really

869
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 3: for me. You can go I'm gonna find somebody else,

870
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. When you first get out here,

871
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 3: you don't have that type of power.

872
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: You don't have that type of control of your career

873
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: like that where you can say you know what, fuck

874
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: you man, you don't see my vision and then be like,

875
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: you know what, You're right, I don't see your vision.

876
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move on to something else. You get kicked

877
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: out of the business for shit like that.

878
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, Michael, that acting is when

879
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: you finally get a job and you get to acts

880
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: of the easiest part. It's navigating all the other Michigans

881
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: and uh and bullshit and uh and and and trying

882
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: to keep the thing going. That's the hard part.

883
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like auditioning and wanting you know what, Zach,

884
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: there is a line reading in Garden State when you

885
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: say to George C. Wolf, wait, is it to George?

886
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: He's your boss?

887
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: And George Wolf, for those who don't know, is a

888
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: very very famous theater director. He used to run the

889
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: public theater and he's now a film director. And he

890
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: gave me the very first part in Macbeth out after

891
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: Northwestern at the public show he was directing. And so

892
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: when I when I made Garden State, I said, will

893
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: you do a cameo as as the as the manager

894
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: of the restaurant where I work.

895
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: He's so good at that too.

896
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: He's the one for those of you're listening and recall,

897
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: he's the one who's holding up the headshots of the

898
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: people that are going to get my job if I'm late,

899
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what were you going to say?

900
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: Though, Well, there's a it's not it's not him, it's

901
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: somebody else, asks you what you're up to. I forget

902
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: who it is. Maybe it's maybe it's Jackie Hoffman. Somebody,

903
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: somebody in your life is like, so, what's going on?

904
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: What are you up to?

905
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: And you say, you know, auditioning something like that. And

906
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: it was the truest thing I had ever seen. I remember,

907
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: because I was probably doing that when I saw the movie.

908
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: I was probably like, you know, saying that exact thing

909
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: to people when they said what are you up to?

910
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking that that is the most authentic

911
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: line read and actress ever given.

912
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: That was my truth. I was. It was method acting.

913
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

914
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: But so Michael, when you get out to LA, how

915
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: long were you out here before you got Ugly Betty?

916
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: How did that come out?

917
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: Well? I got Ugly Betty in New York. Actually I

918
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: was so I got out of Juilliard and three and

919
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: I stayed and I tried to get and I thought,

920
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I'll be in every I'll be in

921
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: every Shakespeare play, and you know that's what I'll do.

922
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: I'll go be in regional theaters and do and I

923
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: and I was getting it. I got a little bit

924
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: of that, but it was like I was doing like

925
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: basement stuff and good work, really cool work, but I

926
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: was working in I wasn't getting you know, the Shakespeare

927
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: parts I thought I was going to get. I wasn't

928
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: getting you know, regional theater. I wasn't even getting appointments for.

929
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.

930
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: And and I would get a commercial here and there.

931
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: And then I was doing a play in a basement,

932
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: this really cool Jacobean tragedy called the Revenger's Tragedy, and

933
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: I was playing a character that was the version we

934
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: were doing. I was playing this very like kind of

935
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: evil David Bowie, looking kind of a guy. And this

936
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: the great casting director, Will Cantler came and saw me,

937
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: and I knew him. He did he I think he'd

938
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: cast me in a commercial. And he stopped me in

939
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: the lobby afterwards and and said you were great. And

940
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: I was like great, okay, and I put you know,

941
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: I filed that away. And I was getting the breakdowns

942
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: illegally back then, you know, you could like get on

943
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: a list or whatever and get the breakdowns. And I

944
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: saw that Will Candler was casting this pilot and there

945
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: was a one line description for this character, bitchy gay assistant.

946
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, I can do this.

947
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: I can do that. And I told my people, my

948
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, my agent, my manager at the time, I

949
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: was like, will Candler likes me and I and I

950
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: think he just want me to do something kind of

951
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: like this, and I bet I could get this appointment.

952
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: At that time, I was, I bet I could get

953
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: an audition. And and at the time they were they

954
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: were like, we don't want you to do this because

955
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: it was a co star, you know, like not a

956
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: guest star, not a series regular. It was a co star.

957
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: And they didn't want me to do it. And what

958
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: is the different, Well, co stars like no money and no, no,

959
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a guest star.

960
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: You were a co star meeting, you'd be in every episode,

961
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 4: but you weren't gonna get you weren't going to get

962
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: paid like a Reich series regular.

963
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: No not not, no guarante of every episode, just like

964
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: in fact, the idea was that my so I was

965
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: Vanessa Williams assistant, and the idea was that she was

966
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: such a tyrannical boss. She had a new assistant every episode.

967
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: And I was fine, was like, whatever, I just want

968
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: this job. I think this is a job I can get.

969
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: I need the money. I need a job. And and

970
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: and they wanted they wanted to aim higher. They were like,

971
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: you should try to be a series regular. You should

972
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: try to be at least a guest star. This is

973
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: this is a terrible money. We won't make any commission.

974
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah.

975
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, while, You're like, I need the

976
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: fucking money, and they're like, no, We're going to hold

977
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: out for you to get a lead. It's like, bro,

978
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: I need money.

979
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: And I was like, I could get this. This is

980
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: a job I could get. I feel like this is

981
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: a this is And so they finally got me the appointment.

982
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: And I had a couple of auditions and then and

983
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: then I got it, and and I showed up on

984
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: set and Vanessa Williams was completely awesome, and she I

985
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: had this idea that my character was obsessed with her,

986
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: So I was always blocked right behind her, and I

987
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: would just kind of like be here. I would do

988
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: I would do anything she did. So she would turn

989
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: and I would turn and and and and she didn't

990
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: know I was doing it. And somebody, like some somebody

991
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: a makeup artist or a costume designer or some costume

992
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: person said they took her aside and they were like,

993
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: you know what that queen's doing behind you? She's like

994
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: what said. She's he's like doing you. He's like, he's

995
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: like mocking you. Behind you.

996
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: Oh no.

997
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: And she came over to me and she's like, I

998
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: hear you're doing me behind me. And I was like,

999
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: I'm fired. Fuck, I'm fired. And I said, yeah, I am,

1000
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: and she goes.

1001
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: That's great. What else can I do that you can do?

1002
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: And so then suddenly I'm pitching her physical physical moves.

1003
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: She said, I can and and and then she's like,

1004
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 2: stand closer, you'll be in the shot. She like knew

1005
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: what the sho I didn't know where the shots were.

1006
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: She was like, if you stand closer, you'll be in

1007
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: the shot. And by the end of the pilot shoot,

1008
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: they brought me in to be in the cast photo.

1009
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: So and then they decided not to have her have

1010
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: a new assistant every week, and I was and I

1011
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: was in every episode.

1012
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I know a lot about her character.

1013
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. That and she's very very smart.

1014
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: She can recognize the talent and say all right, look,

1015
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 4: well let's run with Let's run with what you got,

1016
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 4: because if.

1017
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: You have someone was trying to someone was trying to

1018
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: make her threatened by where she was like, no, that's

1019
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: a good bit, let's lean in.

1020
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: Go, let's go.

1021
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about you know, actors who would be

1022
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: too insecure to do something like that, or think like, no,

1023
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: that's not the story is about me, not about.

1024
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Or be judged, or or just take the gossip as

1025
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: gospel and just go, oh, he's working with you, Like

1026
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: that's what he's doing at all right right now for

1027
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: finding an angle though, because you got to find an

1028
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: angle always.

1029
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: That Yeah, well, thank you, Yeah, that was I was.

1030
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: I was just going for it. I was like, whatever,

1031
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: whatever I can do, I'm gonna I'm gonna make a

1032
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: million choices. I'm going to you know, try to try

1033
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: to try to make it make a mark.

1034
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: And how long did the show go.

1035
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: We did four years, four seasons. It was. It was

1036
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: a really amazing experience and and a lot of us

1037
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: on that show were brand new. We had you know,

1038
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: had there was several of us who'd not done anything.

1039
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: And then we had a few people like Vanessa Williams

1040
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: and Tony Plana who played Betty's dad, and Judith Light

1041
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: who were these vets that were incredible and and there

1042
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: were no two of us that were the same. Like

1043
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: it was one of those shows like shrinking, where there's

1044
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: nobody alike on the show, so there's no competition at all. Ever,

1045
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: we were always we were always like totally a family,

1046
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: and it was right away a hit. It was like

1047
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: a really popular show right away, like kind of tapped

1048
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: into something that people wanted to see at the time.

1049
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 2: And America won all the awards. And because we had

1050
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: Judith and Tony and Vanessa who had all been through

1051
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: so many shows, you know, they'd all done shows and

1052
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: had lots of experience in Hollywood and doing showbiz. They

1053
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: they made sure we knew how special it was, and

1054
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: none of us ever took it for granted. And it

1055
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: was really happy, a really happy set, and we were

1056
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: doing We're doing cool work, you know. I mean, I

1057
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: had this amazing episode where I came out to my mom.

1058
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: Patty Lapone played my mom, and I had been in

1059
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: the closet to her and I came out to her

1060
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: and she didn't accept me and she turned her back

1061
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: on me, and it was really powerful and it made

1062
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: a big deal. I mean, I just got I got

1063
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: a tweet just the other day from someone saying, ugly

1064
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: Betty helped me come out of the closet and it

1065
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: went well, and like people are still like it's still

1066
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: doing it.

1067
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: A big difference for a lot of people who who

1068
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: were looking up to that character.

1069
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think it was really good writing

1070
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: and and a character that he was. He was like

1071
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: mean on the show. But then like when they let

1072
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: me have, you know, a personal life, you saw that

1073
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: there was something underneath that, and I think that sort

1074
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: of disarmed people. They thought, oh, this is a funny,

1075
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, bitchy, mean guy, and then like, oh, actually

1076
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: that's that's cover for what you know, what what what

1077
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: has been hurting him all these years?

1078
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: And it really is a really blessing. It really is

1079
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: a blessing. Man, When you really look at it, it's

1080
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: like you just wanted to audition because you know.

1081
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: I think I could do that. Shit, I think I

1082
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: could do that. But then it turns into oh, this

1083
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 4: is setting.

1084
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: You up for a nice fucking career man a night,

1085
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: This is setting you up for the experience that you

1086
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: were looking for. This is making you making your dream

1087
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: come true. And all you were really trying to do

1088
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: is I just want to get into a pilot. To

1089
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: be honest with you, yeah, you.

1090
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: Know, absolutely I've been I would have been happy if

1091
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: if that was it, I didn't expect it to get

1092
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: picked up. I didn't expect them to could keep me.

1093
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: And I just was like, great, i may make my

1094
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars and then I'll go, you know, back

1095
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: to my life and haven't have a new credit on

1096
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 2: my resume. And then it changed my whole life, totally

1097
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 2: changed my life.

1098
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

1099
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these fine words. Let's talk

1100
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: about shrinking, because I know.

1101
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 3: You guys, you guys kind of got to talk about it.

1102
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 9: Well.

1103
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk about shrinking because this will air.

1104
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't know when this will air, but the episodes

1105
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: of season two that I've directed are are came out

1106
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: both this week and the next one, and episode four

1107
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: comes out next week. And I just I know I'm

1108
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: biased because I work on the show, but I love

1109
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: the show. I'm such a genuine fan of the show.

1110
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: And Michael, I have to say, working with you, it's

1111
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: just so much fun. You make me laugh so much.

1112
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: I love watching you, you know, vacillate between being extremely

1113
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: hilarious and and and and silly to the serious dramatic

1114
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: stuff you get to do in in episode four, in particular,

1115
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: but I never asked you how it came about, how

1116
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: you got the part and what was the experience like.

1117
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you, and I did. I

1118
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: just want I'm watching them in order this year. I haven't.

1119
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: I've only seen the first three. I'm watching them as

1120
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: they air because I don't know why. That's just what

1121
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: my partner and I decided to do.

1122
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 3: But I I just watched three.

1123
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: It's so good, Zach, thank you.

1124
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: It's such my god.

1125
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: Those two back to back scenes where Luke and Lukeita

1126
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: both lose their tempers was very upsetting. It's so moving,

1127
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: and it was a really good episode.

1128
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and four is Uh is a banger? Four is Uh?

1129
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Four is one of those special ones Bill Bill. Bill

1130
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: always gives me really good stuff because he trusts me,

1131
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: and we have we have a history from me directing

1132
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: scrubs where he would always give me sort of the

1133
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: big ones. And I love that when I come on drinking.

1134
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: But you know, eight, Season one, episode eight was a

1135
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: really sort of special episode and and so I love

1136
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: that I get to get to do it. But tell me,

1137
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: tell everyone your your sort of origin shrinking, because it

1138
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: was a very I'm sure everyone wanted, uh this part

1139
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: with this cast Harrison Ford and Jason Siegel and and everyone.

1140
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: Well, when I auditioned, and I didn't know, I knew

1141
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: Jason was doing it, I didn't know Harrison was doing it.

1142
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: So I only knew that, you know, Bill, Jason, and Brett,

1143
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: those three names, and that was very exciting to me.

1144
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: I was I was watched, I had watched or was

1145
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: watching Ted Lasso, and of course knew Jason's work, and

1146
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: and I had met Jason one time and he was

1147
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 2: very you know, like at a weird big you know, TV,

1148
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: CBS something or other, and he was very nice to me,

1149
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, oh, well, he seems like a

1150
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 2: really good guy. And they sent me the pilot script

1151
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: or the first episode. I guess it wasn't a pilot.

1152
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: They sent me the first episode script, which my character's

1153
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: not really in. You see him across the street.

1154
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: But he's not really you're in the pilot. I forgot that.

1155
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I so that script was so good, and

1156
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: then I get my sides were basically all of my

1157
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: scenes from the second episode. But I didn't get the

1158
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: second episode, so I see what this show is going

1159
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: to be like, which is funny and sad and so good.

1160
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: And then I see this character that's going to show

1161
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: up later somewhere later, and it's you know, all these

1162
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: I had it hilarious scene, this scene where I burst

1163
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 2: into his office and I chew him out, this scene

1164
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: where I'm pretending to be a real lawyer or we're

1165
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: pretending to be a criminal lawyer. And then the great

1166
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 2: moving scene where we were playing pickleball and we get

1167
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: into the fight and we say love, I love you

1168
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. So I was like, oh my gosh,

1169
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: this guy's have all of these things. And I knew

1170
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: I could tell based on the script. I was like,

1171
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: he's his motto is everything goes my way. He seems

1172
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: to be this plucky, happy, you know, happy happy dude,

1173
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: but there's going to be something else. The other shoe

1174
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: will eventually drop. I can tell that they're not going

1175
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: to just have some surface character in here. And I

1176
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: didn't know anybody involved. I had met Jason that one time,

1177
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: but you know, he wouldn't remember and didn't didn't had never,

1178
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: had never met anybody, and so it was just like

1179
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: this audition that came my way, and I made a

1180
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: tape in my room with Ryan, my partner read red

1181
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: opposite me and sent it off and and I've gotten

1182
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: pretty good at forgetting about it, you know, you like

1183
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: make it.

1184
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: You said it a long time because this is after COVID,

1185
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: that's right, holy shit, So this is also the new

1186
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: wave of auditioning too, right right there.

1187
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: It was it a long time because I always find

1188
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: it's frustrating when you do something and it's a you're

1189
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: proud of the tape you put in, and then it's

1190
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: one thing to be like, you're not right, they're going

1191
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: to go with so and so, or they're they're talking

1192
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: about it they like. But then sometimes you just don't

1193
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: hear and you're like, I didn't even hear negative or positive.

1194
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: It's been fucking a.

1195
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: Month, right, Yeah, it was that. It was that I

1196
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: didn't hear anything for a while, and I and I

1197
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: did kind of. I was busy. I was doing a play,

1198
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: so it was like I was keeping busy, and you know,

1199
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: it was also such a good job that I it's

1200
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: sort of like it was easier to let like.

1201
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: When did shrinking come back? When did shrinking started?

1202
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean start?

1203
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot that was probably twenty two, I guess

1204
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: it was like spring of twenty two, maybe maybe winter

1205
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: into the spring of twenty twenty two. It was when

1206
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: I auditioned.

1207
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: Were you doing plays before COVID happened? Also? Was that?

1208
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was doing a lot of plays after

1209
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: Ugly Betty. I came back to New York and did

1210
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 2: a ton of plays, and I was, you know, I

1211
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: was able to get a lot into a lot better

1212
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: rooms and do some like serious cool work because had

1213
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: success because I was on TV. Yeah, and and so

1214
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: this play, this is a really cool play about William Shakespeare.

1215
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: My friend Talene Monahan wrote this hilarious play for my

1216
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: partner and me. We read it during the pandemic. We

1217
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: did like on zoom. We would read it and it

1218
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: was the idea was and this is based on a

1219
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: true thing. William Shakespeare wrote king Lear in Quarantine during

1220
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: the Black Plague. So she wrote a play about it,

1221
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: a comedy about it. That he was like stuck in

1222
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: quarantine with an idiot apprentice from his theater company and

1223
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: he wrote king Lear. And so that's what the play is,

1224
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: and it's so funny. So we were doing that play

1225
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: and that's why I have a beard and shrinking actually

1226
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: is because I had a beard as William Shakespeare. That's

1227
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: then when I got it. Yeah, so I was kind

1228
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: of preoccupied doing this play and the job seemed such

1229
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: a good job that I was like, all right, that's

1230
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: that's a if that happened, that would be more than amazing.

1231
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna pretend like it, pretend like it's

1232
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: it's not happening, and and and and and forget about it.

1233
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: And quite a while.

1234
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: I feel like it was like a month.

1235
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 2: That went by and and my agents were like, let's

1236
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: set up a call. We have an update about that show.

1237
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: It was called Pinch then, or that was the code name.

1238
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: We have an update about Pinch. And I was like, okay, great,

1239
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, what's that about? Yeah right, that show? Okay cool,

1240
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: And we got on the phone. I got on the

1241
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: phone with my reps and they were like, well, there's

1242
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: They were like, there's interest in Pinch.

1243
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 3: We'll get back to you. And I was like, oh okay.

1244
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: And then they got on the phone they were like, well,

1245
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: we really thought this was going to go to a

1246
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: test deal. And I was like, oh gosh, what happened

1247
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, they just offered it to you.

1248
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: What kind of agency are you with? And so suddenly

1249
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: like I got that's awesome.

1250
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: Man.

1251
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: It was such a And I never met anybody. I

1252
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: didn't have to, and I thought I would have to read.

1253
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: Never even FaceTime with Bill.

1254
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: No, I met Bill.

1255
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 3: He knew, he knew, he just knew.

1256
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I got to the table right.

1257
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: I would never cast somebody without talking to them. I mean,

1258
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: even if your audition was amazing, I would just wanted

1259
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: to see your personality and shoot the ship with you.

1260
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: Bill was like, no, him.

1261
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: I wonder you know later I later I did find out,

1262
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: because at the time I didn't know. I didn't think

1263
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: I knew anybody involved. And then and then up until

1264
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: basically the first day, I thought I knew nobody on

1265
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: the show. But then it turned out Brian Gallavan, who

1266
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: you know, Zach.

1267
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,479
Speaker 1: Is one of our one of the writers on the show.

1268
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: I had done a pilot for him a few years earlier,

1269
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: so I imagined that he vouched for me as like you know,

1270
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: like and.

1271
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: And but well everyone does recon.

1272
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: You've been in business, Yeah, I say, you've been in

1273
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 4: the business long enough. You have a reputation. Everybody knows

1274
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: what's your reputation. Yeah, I'm sure they did.

1275
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: Everybody, everybody who's been doing this a little while does

1276
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: recon because they're like, all right, he's a good actor.

1277
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: What's his vibe? Like, yeah, what's ruin my set with

1278
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: this diva attitude?

1279
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: And the first thing Bill said to me, well to

1280
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: all of us, was well it was for the table

1281
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: We've got there for the table read, and I met

1282
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: everybody for the first time. Hello, nice to meet you,

1283
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford, Nice to meet you, Krista Miller, Nice to

1284
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: meet you, Jason Siegel, and Chris Has said, my husband

1285
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: thinks you're very funny. And I was like, oh, that's

1286
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: really good. And then uh, and then we were at

1287
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: the door, we about to go in for the table read,

1288
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: and Bill came out. And that was the first time

1289
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: I met Bill, and he said, all right, nobody gets

1290
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: fired off my shows after table reads, just so you know,

1291
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: go in there and have a good time. And we did.

1292
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 3: It's not who got fired, who got fired. Nobody's control.

1293
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: If people get fired, even though he's the all powerful

1294
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: Bill Lawrence, if the networks like, nope, you get fired,

1295
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: it does happen. The best advice, the best advice we

1296
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: can give you is.

1297
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: Michael got the part on a tape audition? Bro like that.

1298
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm we have advised young actors on this podcast before

1299
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: that when you make it to the table, read don't

1300
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: still got to go in, don't make you think, don't

1301
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: think auditionings over.

1302
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 4: No, that's that that that that is the final audition

1303
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 4: right then and there.

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01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: No, not even then right.

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: Comes on television?

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01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: Made it listen Bill, Bill's fired people that fucking shot

1307
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: three episodes and like it's not working. Replace the character.

1308
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, I mean yeah, I've been in

1309
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: sitcom run throughs where people got fired or you know,

1310
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: like that thing where they're like, oykay, the network is

1311
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: going to discuss everybody sequester yourselves in your dressing room

1312
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: and you have to like wait in there and find out.

1313
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: If you're ask Eric, it's about back to the future.

1314
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 3: In the future, asked Charlie. She about two and a

1315
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: half men.

1316
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 4: That motherfucker did eight seasons and they're like, you know what,

1317
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 4: too much?

1318
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: That was eating.

1319
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: You can't take it anymore?

1320
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: That was that was that was eating.

1321
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: They made it eight seasons. They made eight seasons out

1322
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 3: of it.

1323
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Though, who was the star of Apocalypse now got replaced

1324
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: Danel and you must know that who.

1325
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: By Martin Sheen, the guy who was playing.

1326
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: She replaced him. I forgot who was the lead George C.

1327
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 4: Scott, George Wolf, George George.

1328
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: George Wolf was the lead in who was that? It

1329
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: was Harvey Kayitel Harvey k.

1330
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 3: Wow. Imagine walking around with that for a while.

1331
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: They shot a bunch of the movie and Francis Ford

1332
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: Coppola was like, this isn't right and replaced him.

1333
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: Same thing happened. Eric steltzwe back to the future.

1334
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: There's some movie that Robert de Niro got fired from.

1335
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: This is recently, like in the last ten years, and

1336
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: that he didn't he like didn't know his lines or something.

1337
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: And the director had a long shot like a pan

1338
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: or a push, like a long push that he and

1339
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: he needed he needed it to happen in one and

1340
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: Denier didn't know his lines. And at the end of

1341
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: the day the producer was like, all right, you can,

1342
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: we can fire him. I'll do it. I'll fire him,

1343
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: and the director was like, no, I'm going.

1344
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: To do it. Oh my god. Do you know what

1345
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: movie it was?

1346
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't remember, but I want to say, oh,

1347
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: that great actor replaced him. It wasn't a big it

1348
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: wasn't a big movie, but it was that cool actor.

1349
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1350
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, so.

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: Shrinking is is so good and you have such great

1352
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: chemistry with with everyone, and you really have good chemistry

1353
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: with the guy. I'm sorry, I forgot his name? Who

1354
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: plays your lover?

1355
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 3: Oh?

1356
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Devinka Oka's He's He's wonderful and we we go back.

1357
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: We actually knew each other. I didn't. They came to

1358
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: me and they were like, this is the guy we're

1359
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: thinking of casting. I think just to make sure I

1360
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: didn't hate him, and I was like, I know.

1361
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: Him, I love him.

1362
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: We we we have a bunch of friends in common,

1363
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: and so I knew him and we even during the pandemic.

1364
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: We were part of a Zoom game of Mafia.

1365
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: Does Maia work on.

1366
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: We? We would like it would like chat. You would

1367
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: like like we have private chats?

1368
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 1: Uh?

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: Like I think on Zoom you can do like like

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01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: group chats and private chats. And so it was like that,

1371
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: and there was one person was the host, and it

1372
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: was fun. It was fun for a while, and then

1373
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: after a while I was like, we can't really lie

1374
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: to each other. Anymore we've gotten too close.

1375
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: Well, the cast is really great. Everyone should check out Shrinking.

1376
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: And now you're doing Once Upon a Mattress on Broadway

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: with the legendary Sutton Foster. You know I have a

1378
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: connection to the show two ways. I did the show

1379
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: in camp. I played Dauntless, which is your car stage

1380
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,959
Speaker 1: at the stage stage Man. That's how I've been able

1381
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: to sing to you some of your I went to

1382
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: see the show.

1383
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 3: And of course have you heard of stage door manor

1384
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: Michael Yes from Zach Actually remember you telling me about it?

1385
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: Hey, you heard of stage or matter before me?

1386
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: I must have heard of it. But like the year

1387
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: of my real that's how I really learned.

1388
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I just thought being in New York and Broadway,

1389
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: someone would have brought it up to you before.

1390
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: He got there when he was seventeen young.

1391
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: But just it's in those guys to people are talking

1392
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: about things. Anyway. I did a play with Sutton Foster

1393
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: as well with Bobby Kinavali and Eric Rainer, and she

1394
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: was a dominatrix and I really love her, and she

1395
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: was always so kind to my father. My father, my

1396
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: late father was very very into Broadway and Sutton for

1397
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: those who don't know Sutton Foster. She is one of

1398
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: the most beloved Broadway stars there is, and she was

1399
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: always so loving and kind and able to receive my

1400
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: father's adoration. And I just I had a wonderful time

1401
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: coming to see your show when I come back. When

1402
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: I came backstage to see you, it was not great

1403
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: to see you, but also Sutton was so nice and

1404
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: mentioned my father, and it made me feel nice.

1405
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:36,959
Speaker 2: She is really really good person, Like, yeah, she's amazing

1406
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: on stage, I mean amazing, but like she makes you

1407
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: feel like you're the most important person in the room,

1408
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 2: which is and I think she means that, Like she

1409
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 2: really really is engaged and caring and filled with love

1410
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: and energy. But as you know, being on stage with

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: her is it's like it's like it's like beyond living,

1412
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: like there's something super nova. She's like, she's like it's

1413
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: it's like an electricity.

1414
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 3: That that that.

1415
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, when I was a kid going

1416
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: to see Tommy Tuone at the fair Park Music Hall,

1417
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: being way up in the balcony, I could see his

1418
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 2: face even though I was three blocks away. I think

1419
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: Sutton has that quality. There's a reason why she's a

1420
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: Broadway star, and that she's in musical after musical, and

1421
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: and it's that that wattage. It's just bigger than than she.

1422
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: Does it all. I mean, she can. She's very funny.

1423
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: She's been one.

1424
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 4: She was on television for a really long time. She

1425
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 4: had five seasons on a show on TV Land. Like

1426
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 4: she's got she's got skills.

1427
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: She's not. You know, it ain't she ain't on broad

1428
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 3: but she hasn't. It's not she doesn't get these Broadway roles. Uh,

1429
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 3: by luck. It's for a reason. Did she got the talent?

1430
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1431
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 2: And this show is filled with Broadway legends. We've got Broke,

1432
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: who I know you worked to and I love him.

1433
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 2: And Daniel Breaker, who plays the Jester. He was two

1434
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 2: years ahead of me at Juilliard and he is like

1435
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: my hero. And he is an incredible stage actor. Think

1436
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: he's an incredible actor. He starts the show, he opens

1437
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: the show with this wonderful like lullaby and the audience

1438
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: he has the audience in the palm of his hand,

1439
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: and a lot of what he does in the show,

1440
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: a lot of what he says, he's sort of made

1441
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: up himself. He's sort of like come up with and

1442
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: it's just completely unique. No one's ever done it like

1443
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: that before.

1444
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: The show is bizarre, but very funny. It's such a

1445
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: weird show.

1446
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: It's a weird show. I think that's because of the

1447
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: way that it was created. It was made at a camp,

1448
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: like an adult camp. In the camp for adults where

1449
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 2: adults would go used to go in the in the fifties,

1450
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: and it was a place where singles could go and

1451
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 2: meet people. But the camp would hire performers to entertain

1452
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 2: the campgoers, and they they would hire a cast, and

1453
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: they would hire creatives to put on shows, reviews or whatever.

1454
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: And they brought Mary Rogers and the other writers of

1455
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: this show one year and somebody said, let's do the

1456
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: Princess and the Peak, and they had and they wrote

1457
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: the show around the actors they had. So there was

1458
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: an actor who couldn't sing and and really couldn't dance,

1459
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: and so they were like, well, let's let's let's write

1460
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 2: him this a mute character and everything he does can

1461
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: be And then there was somebody else's like, well, she's

1462
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 2: not a great singer, but she's great at talking, so

1463
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: let's write her a bunch of a bunch of words.

1464
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: And then somebody was really limber and could belt, and

1465
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: they were like, well, she can play, she can be

1466
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: our star.

1467
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just a wacky show. But if you're

1468
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: bringing it to l A, right, that's this is a

1469
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: unique situation where the actual cast is going to do

1470
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: it in LA. The whole Broadway cast, everybody or everybody

1471
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: who's going to Sutton who's coming.

1472
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: Sudden and on a Gastre who plays the Queen my

1473
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: mom and a star is very good, and and Daniel

1474
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: Breaker and David Patrick Kelly who plays my dad. Uh

1475
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 2: and then some of the other people can't go. Brooks

1476
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 2: is doing Smash.

1477
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: I saw. I just texted Brooks because I said, two

1478
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: of my favorite gay things in the world are Brooks,

1479
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: Sash Manskis and Smash. And the fact that are.

1480
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 3: They doing They're doing Smash the TV show, I mean the.

1481
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: Musicals that the musical that they made in the show Smash.

1482
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up, no way. I texted yes because

1483
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 3: his Stormy was made a knight so cold the door,

1484
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: turn out the lights and listen.

1485
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: Donald and I were the only people watching Smash. I

1486
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: got to do when I finally got in a Broadway musical,

1487
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: When I finally got into Broadway musical. I walked in.

1488
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys love Smash as much as

1489
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: I do. And they're like, you're watching Smash. I loved Smash.

1490
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: I texted Brooks, I'm like, are you McFee.

1491
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 2: He's the director. Well, you know, director direct.

1492
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: They must have changed that guy because he was a

1493
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: sort of.

1494
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 2: European momanizer. Yeah, so it's different now. Now it's like,

1495
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: it's like Brooks and I think it's a funnier role.

1496
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 2: But uh, it's so it's like, it's not the same story,

1497
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: but it's it's still them making a musical about Marilyn Monroe.

1498
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: And oh so the musical will still be it won't

1499
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: be the musical. It will still be a musical about

1500
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: making the music.

1501
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 3: That's right.

1502
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm intriguing. I will be seated. I will be seated.

1503
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 3: Donald's really good too. I like the fact that you

1504
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 3: guys are all coming out to l a though. Man,

1505
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 3: you're talking about that back in the day and how

1506
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 3: shows came through your town and everything like that. I

1507
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: wish it was like that still.

1508
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 4: I wish that, you know, once you I think a

1509
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 4: lot of people would enjoy this experience. You do the

1510
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 4: Broadway run and then you take it on the road

1511
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,839
Speaker 4: with the same casts.

1512
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the road, because if you're a big Broadway star,

1513
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: you don't really want to go nowhere.

1514
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: People want to see that. People, people look. It's like theater.

1515
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 3: It's like movie theaters or theater all over again. Man,

1516
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 3: you go fucking go see the Buster Keaton jump off.

1517
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 4: You go see the fuck you know what I mean,

1518
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 4: especially if they're coming to your town.

1519
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: Small tool stars would do that, Carol Channing, Mary Martin,

1520
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 2: Tommy Tooon, like the old school stars things, you.

1521
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 1: Know, if you have a family, and it can be

1522
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: tricky for people to do a tour, but I think

1523
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: I think as a as a half measure at least,

1524
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: it's very cool for the og leads to say, okay,

1525
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: and we're going to do it for a month or

1526
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: two in LA That's cool.

1527
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

1528
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to do.

1529
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: That any one of the dates that your wait, So

1530
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: tell audience members when how long is you run? Until

1531
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:57,520
Speaker 1: in New York until.

1532
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: You can catch us on Broadway until November thirty, and

1533
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 2: then we play the Almendson Theater in Los Angeles December

1534
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 2: tenth through January the fifth.

1535
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: Okay, great, so people in La go see them at

1536
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: the Alminson. I was with my mom. She's so cute.

1537
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: She I saw her at my brother's birthday party and

1538
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: she brought out a little a little pamphlet and been

1539
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: sent her in the mail from the Ammend Center. And

1540
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 1: she opened it up and she goes, look, Sutton's coming

1541
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: to town. And I said, Mom, I know. And then

1542
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: that's Michael Uri. He's on the show Shrinking. She goes,

1543
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to go to this one. My

1544
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: mom will be seated for Michael Yurry and Sutton Foster.

1545
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: It'll be cool there. It'll be really, It'll be really

1546
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: and it's a really for us. It's a nice way

1547
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: to spend the holidays, you know, doing a family because

1548
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: it's for everybody. Everybody can come see the show. You

1549
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: can bring your kids, you can.

1550
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: Bring your grandma. It's one of those shows that has

1551
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 1: some sexual innuendo that will just go over your kids' heads. Yeah,

1552
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of that was pulled back because the

1553
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: show used to be way more naudience and they needed

1554
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: a little more PG.

1555
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of got rid of There was some

1556
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 2: like edible stuff between my mother and me.

1557
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: That we kind of got ready because she was in

1558
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,520
Speaker 1: love with you. Yeah, there was some of that.

1559
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: They cut that, and then there was the King was

1560
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 2: like kind of grabby, but that's we didn't that. But

1561
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: but but the it works like a Looney Tunes cartoon,

1562
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: where like there is stuff that's for the adults that

1563
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: the kids are like, why is that funny? And then

1564
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: there's the stuff that the kids love and the and

1565
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: the parents the adults love. There's nothing like the sound

1566
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 2: of kids laughing. I mean, it's it's just like it's awesome.

1567
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: And and there's a lot of stuff that happens in

1568
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: the show where just the kids laugh. And when that happens,

1569
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: when we when we get to those moments and we

1570
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: hear how many kids are out there, it's so fun

1571
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: for everybody. The whole audience loves hearing those those kids laughs.

1572
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: I think l a last question, Michael, This is something

1573
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: that came up before we brought to you on the air,

1574
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 1: but just added curiosity if Donald were again and only

1575
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: fans and and one of the offers was to sha

1576
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: before we did this.

1577
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember, I remember the monologue what if

1578
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: a million years ago a flash and energy.

1579
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: We don't want to hear it coming to you.

1580
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 3: Who knows where landed there, coming from the desert to

1581
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: space to this grain of sand known as Earth. What

1582
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 3: if we did not come from Africa but to Africa? Now,

1583
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: after seeing that on Only Fans.

1584
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: No, okay, let's say that's the flea thing, that's the

1585
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: that's the thing you get for free on only Fans.

1586
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 3: Naked and I'm holding and I'm no, no, no, no,

1587
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: ball not cupping.

1588
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: Let me give Michael the pitch please, okay, go ahead.

1589
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: He's clothed and looking over his shoulders, sort of flirtatiously,

1590
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: and he does his little Africa monolog and then you

1591
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: can pay twenty bucks just to see him hold his balls.

1592
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: We'd out of curiosity. Would you pay the twenty bucks?

1593
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 3: And that's not the question about the question is That's

1594
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 3: not the question. Hold up, that's not the question, Mike, Michael,

1595
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 3: that's not the question. The question is He said that.

1596
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 4: Only gay men would freaking look at me, and I

1597
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 4: was like, no, I'm universal, baby, I think straight women,

1598
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 4: gay men, I think freaking trans I think and nybody.

1599
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: Daniel said that he thinks the biggest piece of the

1600
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: pie chart would be straight scrubs men.

1601
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I think the curiosity would probably

1602
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: get them.

1603
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

1604
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: And you know, like like mid forties women who love

1605
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: clueless probably.

1606
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

1607
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 2: I don't know about gay man. I'm not sure. If

1608
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, what are.

1609
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: You talking about? All men?

1610
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to see donald?

1611
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 3: If you no, fuck you? We're staying thirty bucks? Now?

1612
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,440
Speaker 3: Are you telling me negotiate?

1613
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: Are you telling me just your balls? Maybe we throw

1614
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: a we get twenty five bucks.

1615
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, see you.

1616
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 3: There would be a freaking huge part of the gay

1617
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 3: community that would be interested in seeing my balls and shafts.

1618
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: I wish there was a survey we could do on this.

1619
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 3: Let's do one, let's do one.

1620
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: We probably can. I don't think we should. It might

1621
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: hurt his ego. Fuck you, fuck you. I think listen,

1622
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: I would you would get my You.

1623
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 3: Know what if you listen, If you're not into this,

1624
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 3: if you don't, you don't deserve it anyway, then how

1625
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 3: about that. If y'all ain't into this, then you don't

1626
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 3: deserve it. That's universal. That's for everybody out there.

1627
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell the case.

1628
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: Michael Michael Doug Life Michael knows actual homosexuals and can

1629
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: and can tell them to tell everyone.

1630
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a I have a thread going.

1631
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: So there's a group. They're all in the same group.

1632
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: Chats Michael. I love you. You're so talented. Thank you

1633
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: for coming on our podcast.

1634
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: I love you too. I love you both, and I

1635
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: love your friends. Chet I told you this act but

1636
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: many years ago, when I was first out in La

1637
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: shooting Ugly Betty, I was in I was at Baja

1638
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: Fresh and I saw you guys sitting on a curb

1639
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: in the parking lot eating together, and I thought it

1640
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 2: was so sweet and so cute. You are, you know, famous?

1641
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 2: Then they were on scrubs and everything, and I was like,

1642
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: look at those two guys. They're really friends and they're

1643
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: eating tacos together on a curb in the parking lot.

1644
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: And I've always you guys. Are you guys are really

1645
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 2: cool and sweet and and thank you very much. Always

1646
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: admired it.

1647
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael. Congrats on all your success and people

1648
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you in La La land uh

1649
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: in Once upon a Mattress.

1650
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 3: Wait, are they going to do a La La Land too?

1651
01:20:58,600 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?

1652
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: No, although Michael would probably be in La La Land.

1653
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: I bet you he would be great in La La

1654
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 3: Land to La La Land too.

1655
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: Is going to Broadway, probably probably.

1656
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're trying to make that go to Broadway.

1657
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 2: Greatest Showman's going to Broadway.

1658
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 3: He could be the This is getting even better.

1659
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 4: Listen, two great things that just happened. Greatest Showman's going

1660
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 4: to Broadway. Smash, Yeah, we'll be back. And I have

1661
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 4: a reason I'm gonna.

1662
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: Break out your hands.

1663
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 3: I had I did too, because, motherfucker, I know, are

1664
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 3: you kidding me?

1665
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: You know that you and I are the only two

1666
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 1: people who watch Smash. I know, but that's like's parents.

1667
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, okay, bye, Michael.

1668
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: We love you.

1669
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: I love you guys. Thank you so much.

1670
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 4: What a great show. And we've learned something. You know

1671
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 4: what I learned that you guys do not think me

1672
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 4: attractive at all.

1673
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 3: You don't think the game community finds me attracted.

1674
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 4: I think women find me attractive, and you don't think

1675
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 4: straight men find me attractive because the only reason why

1676
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 4: they would tune into my only fans is just.

1677
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 3: Curry out of curiosity.

1678
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: Hear the monologue from Juilliard. No, No, I think that.

1679
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 1: It's a big ask to say you're not going to

1680
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: see you engaging in sexual activities, You're just going to

1681
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: tune in to see your scroll them. Yeah, I think

1682
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: it's a big ask. I don't think for me or

1683
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Daniel they would tune in.

1684
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 3: So you're telling me me standing butt naked in front

1685
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 3: of a camera, shaking my ship up and down, bouncing

1686
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 3: it like it's an elephant trunk. When that's different.

1687
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: That's different. We weren't saying that. That's a lot of

1688
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: you could you could probably put on a wing to

1689
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: your house with that only fansy.

1690
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 3: No, that's not what you're saying.

1691
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: You said balancing it like an elephant trunk. Yes, I

1692
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: think that would garner a lot of views. Please don't

1693
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: do it because I I don't want to. I don't

1694
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: want our careers to take that turn. Michael Urry is

1695
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 1: such a nice guy. Cast and everybody check out shrinking

1696
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: he's so talented and uh and check out once upon

1697
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: an attress.

1698
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 3: Donald, I'm gonna take cold.

1699
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you.

1700
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 3: To five seven stories about the show we made about.

1701
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: A bunch of docs and nurses.

1702
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 3: Said he's a story nets So yet here yea here

1703
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 3: but we