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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Work in Progress friends. This week we are

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Speaker 1: joined by an actor who I admire so much. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest is none other than Janny Smale. She is an

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Speaker 1: American actress born here in New York, one of six siblings,

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Speaker 1: and she has been working in film and television since

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Speaker 1: she was a little girl. Known for her roles in Lovecraft, Country,

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Speaker 1: Birds of Prey, Underground, and True Blood, she is here

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Speaker 1: to discuss her brand new Apple TV show, Smoke. The

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Speaker 1: show centers around an arson investigator who begrudgingly teams up

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Speaker 1: with a police detective as they race to stop two arsonists.

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Speaker 1: It is a twisted game of secrets and suspicions, and

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Speaker 1: journey stars opposite tarn Edgerton in this incredible thriller. Today

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what it was like to

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Speaker 1: film the show, work with the iconic Dennis Lahne, and

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Speaker 1: a lot about what it means to juggle this life

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Speaker 1: performing and acting and traveling and creating with motherhood and

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Speaker 1: self discovery. And you'll hear a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: lessons the two of us have learned along the way.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive in with my friend Journey. Hi, honey, I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy you're here, my love. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to see you.

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Speaker 3: It's been forever.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's been a long time.

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Speaker 3: You look fabulous. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You look fabulous. This press tour is working.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, you know, I got a team of experts

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Speaker 3: helping it work.

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Speaker 1: We need it, especially when you got little ones at home.

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Speaker 1: It's like somebody helped me. Look like I've.

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Speaker 3: Slept right right, And then you know, the press to word,

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Speaker 3: it's almost like you're running a marathon. As you know,

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Speaker 3: you just sit in that room and you get asked a.

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Speaker 1: Lot, and you got to make them feel fresh every time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh I feel it. Well, I'm excited about the projects.

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Speaker 1: But before we talk about, you know, what's happening in

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Speaker 1: life at the moment, I want to go backwards a

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Speaker 2: Okay, how far back are we go?

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Speaker 1: Like all the way back?

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Speaker 1: Which is fun for you, especially because you've been working

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Speaker 1: since you were a baby. But I always wonder, like

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Speaker 1: when I sit with somebody, whether I know them or

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Speaker 1: I'm just meeting them, whoever sits in that chair has

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Speaker 1: an impressive resume, Some cool new project like something in

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Speaker 1: the world. And I wonder if you could go back

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Speaker 1: in time and hang out with your little self at

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Speaker 1: seven or eight years old, do you think the woman

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Speaker 1: you are today would see herself in that little girl?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, because I actually meditate on that little girl

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Speaker 3: a lot. Really, Yeah, because I do believe so much

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Speaker 3: of what we're doing is in response to our childhood,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I'm one of those nerds who you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm reading books on attachment theory and you know me too, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so you feel me, you know. And so like all

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Speaker 3: of the primary attachments we had and the core memories

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Speaker 3: just in how I see the world. It's also how

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Speaker 3: I construct characters, you know, when I'm approaching them in

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Speaker 3: my work. But yeah, that little girl, I mean, she

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Speaker 3: she was. She was a lot of fun. She was.

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Speaker 3: She was a lot of fun. There was a lot

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Speaker 3: been I had been offered by the producers of Full House, offered,

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Speaker 3: you know, your seven to do a spinoff of Full House.

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Speaker 3: You know, my character resonated with.

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Speaker 1: Folks for some reason, I you know, but.

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Speaker 3: My pay grade. And so my mom said no to

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Speaker 3: And she was like, I ain't doing no more damn

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Speaker 3: she was stretched thin. And so the producers, Bob Boyette,

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Speaker 3: She had us go into this meeting that happened. Yes,

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Speaker 3: she had us go into this meeting. We performed Shut

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Speaker 2: I was Flavor flav Oh, I did the Flavor Flav verse.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know. Maybe I had a clock around

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Speaker 3: all six even the baby that was Bacon in the oven.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So there was a lot a lot going on

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Speaker 1: Wow. And did you love it? Did you love acting? Performing?

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Speaker 1: Even from a young age.

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Speaker 3: I always did. I was always performing at home. My

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Speaker 3: know Gene Kelly, fred Astaire sid Cherise. I always wanted

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Speaker 3: And so she would put she would put down plywood

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so interesting because especially I think for a

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Speaker 1: similar to sport.

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Speaker 3: And I like it to sports too. Yeah, I like

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Speaker 3: in it to little league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, little league AISO, like whatever it is. I

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Speaker 1: think what we know that maybe folks who don't work

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Speaker 1: that when you are an actor or a performer, a musician,

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Speaker 1: You're in a cast, you work with a whole big.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like it's team sports, and you've got to learn

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Speaker 1: pretty cool to hear about how you were finding yourself

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Speaker 3: I completely agree with your perspective on it. And it's

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Speaker 3: funny because I find myself gaining so much inspiration from

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Speaker 3: sports from athletes. I watch it religiously. My son now

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Speaker 3: But I gained and I always have gained inspiration from

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Speaker 3: the way athletes push their bodies, how mentally tough they are,

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Speaker 3: and the flow that athletes have to be in. You

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Speaker 3: can when you're watching a tennis match, you're watching Coco, right,

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Speaker 3: and you're just like, ooh, she's in the flow right now, right,

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Speaker 3: That's what we try to achieve on set or on stage.

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Speaker 3: You know, you try to find that rhythm. It's like

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Speaker 3: they're in tune with their partner, you know. The pianist

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Speaker 3: It's very true, and I love that you you have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I think there's something really interesting too.

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Speaker 1: All these little connections are firing in my brain. Like

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Speaker 1: for roles, but also for yourself as a person. You know,

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Speaker 1: think that's especially important for anyone who's a performer, whether

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Speaker 1: do learn to push yourself to extremes, you do learn

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Speaker 3: Or it might be only allowing myself to feel when

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Speaker 1: Oh that yeah. And it's interesting, not that I want

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Speaker 1: I think there's a wisdom that comes when women take

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Speaker 1: be cheesy, I'm like, I'm proud of us. We've clearly

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Speaker 3: I deserve more. Yeah, And society doesn't always hold space

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Speaker 3: And so it does take a lot of courage to

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll actually get it in this lifetime,

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Speaker 3: but I'm I feel that it's I'm worthy enough to try.

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Speaker 1: To try that part.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to project my experience onto you, but I think, especially

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Speaker 1: about it's not even necessarily about that deserving right. It's

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Speaker 1: about I believe that I'm worse what I give, and

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Speaker 1: if someone doesn't, you know, how do you let that

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Speaker 3: And that could be, that could be a toxic relationship.

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Speaker 3: That can be your co workers, that can be your

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Speaker 3: agents or your lawyers, right, you know. I've found things

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to just go hard, Oh this relationship

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Speaker 1: do this show together? But then as y'all started growing

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00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 1: and going out into the world and working in these

435
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: different arenas, did it almost mean you got to spend

436
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: less time together as a family.

437
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, honestly, we were like we were We were

438
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 3: like a pack a herd.

439
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: That oh you everyone went together, you know.

440
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: Like my mom if one of us got a gig,

441
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: right like a movie or TV show, instead of her

442
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: flying there. It got to a point where she would

443
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: ask the studio for the money that they were going

444
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: to spend on the flights. Give her the cash, and

445
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: she would drive us all there in the suburban. I mean,

446
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: she was she was. She was gangster, you know, she's

447
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: very strategic, she was very smart. But also she had

448
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 3: no one to watch us we did. It's not like

449
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: we had a lot of friends or extended family. She

450
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: didn't have people she could leave us with. And my

451
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: parents separated when I was twelve, and so I have

452
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 3: to say, I think that's one of the reasons why

453
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: we might. I'm so close with my siblings. There's six

454
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: of us, and I have five best friends in them.

455
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it's when I say, I can show you

456
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: my text threads of like the sibling text chain, it

457
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: just it just girl just comes in. Everyone's always talking,

458
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: like the conversation is always you know, We're just so close.

459
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: But we were alway had you know. And if I

460
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: had an audition, then Jazz was doing my hair and

461
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: Jake was maybe making the you know, and Jesse was

462
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: running my lines with me like it. It really was

463
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: this this beautiful microcosm of everyone supporting everyone. There was

464
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: no jealousy, there was no competition. It just was not allowed,

465
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 3: and everyone was expected to serve the cause, the mission.

466
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: And it really was I.

467
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: Think about survival because when you think about it, this

468
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: became the family business. This became the income. It became

469
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: the way we were able to take care of each other.

470
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: My father mom separated, like I said, when I was twelve.

471
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: He worked for Pacific bell at and t He was

472
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: a blue collar worker. He didn't he didn't make enough

473
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: to support us, and certainly didn't you know, give enough

474
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: child support to support us. It became something where it

475
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: was us kids going out and working and my mom

476
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: finding us gigs and us living paycheck paycheck in a sense,

477
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: until you know, my brothers got older and they started

478
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: working regular jobs to contribute. But you know it, it

479
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: was I don't even remember what your original question was.

480
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm going on the tangent. But I

481
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: think that's that's one of the beautiful things about very

482
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: unconventional childhood. Yes, she was behind the camera, but I

483
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 3: learned so much about the industry from her. You know,

484
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: she just was so unwilling to sacrifice certain things and

485
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: unwilling to sell integrity, unwilling to just take things because

486
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: they were paying really good. You know, I was offered

487
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: a number of jobs that she said no to that

488
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: where it was either with someone who was a really

489
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: awful person, and it would have put me in a

490
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: very compromising situation getting me out of a very awful

491
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: and toxic work environment. And yes, but like I said before,

492
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: she was behind the camera.

493
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it's such a lesson

494
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: in you know, business.

495
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and remembering like, no matter how cool the set

496
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: is or the job is or whatever, like it's business

497
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: and I love that, you know, y'all have been able

498
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: to stay so close. I ask because I think about

499
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: how much I love what we do, but how often

500
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: it takes me away from the people I want to

501
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: be close to.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's so true. It's like, yesterday, my TV

503
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: show Smoke premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival, which is

504
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: very exciting, awesome. It played so well, but it was

505
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: also the same day of my niece's fifth grade graduation,

506
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: you know, and so everyone sending me pictures of her,

507
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm I tried to face time. But yes,

508
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: that for sure is part of the sacrifices is missing

509
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: out on How many birthdays or primary moments are you missing?

510
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: How did it feel to premiere the show here?

511
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: It was a full circle moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah, in

512
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: a number of ways. You know, when you work on

513
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: something for so long and then it's like your little secret,

514
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: it's your little baby that you've birthed, and then you

515
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: get to share it with the world. So it was awesome.

516
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: It was awesome to watch it in front of an

517
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: audience and get the feedback and it played incredibly well.

518
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: You know, it was quite thrilling.

519
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, will you tell our friends at home what

520
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Smoke is?

521
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: So. Smoke is a crime thriller for Apple TV Plus

522
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: at premiere is June twenty seventh, created by Dennis Lahane,

523
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: one of our premier writers. I mean, I don't know

524
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: that you can write crime thriller better than Dennis. And

525
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: I've been a fan of his since Mystic River and

526
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, Gone, Baby Gone, and Shutter Island and so

527
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: many Blackbird which was on Apple as well, But anyway,

528
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: it's based on true events in which an arson investigator

529
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: played by Tarren Edgerton is paired with a trouble detective

530
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: played by myself, and they are assigned to investigate to

531
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: serial arsonists and through this investigation begin to suspect that

532
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: each other are not who they can claim to be.

533
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: That's so juicy. Also crazy fun fact because when I

534
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: was reading up on the show, it centers around John

535
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: Orr and back in the day, I played his daughter

536
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: in a movie with Rayleoda.

537
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: Wait what yeah?

538
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: So of all the like things wait be talking about today? Guy,

539
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: it was like, I think it was maybe my second

540
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: job I was at USC and it filmed in LA

541
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: and I would drive from class and I would go

542
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: to shoot this movie and I was on set with

543
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Raleiota and John Likeguizamo, who I just.

544
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: Who's in our show?

545
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: Like?

546
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Come on? Like this is so it's crazy. So I'm

547
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: so excited to see it, you know because as a

548
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: young actor to think about, like, you know, how do

549
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you imagine what this sort of story would do to

550
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: a kid when this happens in your family? And now

551
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I get to watch my friend be on the adult

552
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: side investigating it. I know that's crazy. I know it's

553
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: so fun.

554
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: Wow full circle.

555
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, it's really really it's so cool.

556
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: Because he was an interesting person. Yeah, they're the podcast

557
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: Firebug that this is loosely inspired by is wild. If

558
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: anyone wants to.

559
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Listen to I'm like, wait, I want to listen to that.

560
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: You should listen to it. It's he was writing a book,

561
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, about an artison investigator who's secretly an arsonist,

562
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: and so that element is in our show as well.

563
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: But it's Dennis really has created of a heightened and

564
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: fictionalized version of that, and my character is really the

565
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: birth child of Dennis's mind. You know, when I met

566
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: with him, one of the first things he said, one

567
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: of the earlier things he said to me, was, you know,

568
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: we all say we want to be happy, and yet

569
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: why are we consumed by the very things that want

570
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: to destroy us? And that's my character in a nutshell.

571
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: She is metaphorically playing with fire. I mean, there are

572
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: these elements in her life that are just dangerous that

573
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: she's drawn to. And it's interesting because I know, I

574
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: don't know that it's unique to me, but I definitely

575
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: can see myself and those struggles in the past right

576
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: like where you are going. I know this is not

577
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: healthy for me, but I'm choosing it anyway, and I'm.

578
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 2: Hoping that it doesn't turn out how I'm afraid it will,

579
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: and it does.

580
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: It's like when you're blind, faith or your desire to

581
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: see the good just bites you in the ass. Yes.

582
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 3: Yes, And that manifests in so many different ways, totally

583
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 3: a toxic relationship. It could be our toxic, toxic level

584
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: of ambition being a workaholic.

585
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: It could be the childhood.

586
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: Trauma that we still have in process and the way

587
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: that manifests. And so Dennis has woven all these very

588
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: complex layers into my character Michelle, who's a detective, former

589
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 3: marine who finds herself in a relationship with her boss,

590
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: who's the captain of the precinct, who's married.

591
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Oh boy who leaves.

592
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: His wife for her, only for Michelle to then say

593
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: she no longer wants to be with him now, and

594
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: going back to attachment theory, you know, I spoke to

595
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: a therapist just specifically about Michelle, and she's very much

596
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: so an avoidant, which I am not. You know, I've

597
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: historically I've been attracted to avoidance. Guilty is charge.

598
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: I had a couple of those myself, and.

599
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: So it was so fun to weave those elements into Michelle,

600
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: someone who has she has real childhood trauma, she has

601
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: a mother wound, a deep betrayal that happened when she

602
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: was young with her mother, and it was beautiful to

603
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: be able to weave that in to the way she

604
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: sees the world, the way she attaches and detaches in

605
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: those patterns.

606
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you how do you begin to build

607
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: a world for a character? And I like, I want

608
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: to ask you this question that I like to ask

609
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: because I know you're a research nerd, and so am I. So,

610
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, tell me about your good Like, where

611
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: where do you start? You know, when you make when

612
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: you get this information? Former marine now a detective making

613
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: bad choices, probably a little addicted to the chase. You

614
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: get this nugget, I would imagine, because Dennis is brilliant. Yeah,

615
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: her childhood, Like how do you begin to build her house?

616
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: I begin answering all the whys and the who, what, where, why? When?

617
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: So that's really where I start. Yeah, you know, what

618
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 3: do I know about her environment? What does the text

619
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: tell me? I fill that in in her biography and

620
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: any holes that the text doesn't tell me, I go

621
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: to the source, screenwriter Dennis Lahane in this case, ask

622
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: him questions pick his brain of Okay, so what happened

623
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: to her? What is this? Why does she do this?

624
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: And all the questions he gives me. Any holes left,

625
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: I fill in myself through research, through either speaking through experts.

626
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: In this case, I spoke to not just therapists, but

627
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: I spoke to former Marines. I trained with a former

628
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: a veteran who served in the military. Just had to

629
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: be an expert and weaponry honestly, because she deals with

630
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: guns a lot. I interviewed firefighters and arson investigators. I

631
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: read the Firebug podcasts, you know, watch documentaries, which then

632
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: leads you to other films of this topic. And so honestly,

633
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: it's really about filling up the well. And then I

634
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: also just have several coaches that I work with. I

635
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: have a physicality coach, I have, you know, my acting coach.

636
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: I have my fitness trainer. And for this I'm normally

637
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: journey I can my weight. I can tend to be

638
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: a little bit on the leaner side. And so because

639
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: she's a form a marine who is working in a

640
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: very male dominated field, who has a little bit of

641
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: body dysmorphia, who dealt with insecurity from her weight when

642
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: she was a child, it manifests through her doing these

643
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: crazy intense workouts. So I went to my trainer, Jeannette Jenkins,

644
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 3: and was like, I gotta put on muscle. I gotta

645
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: put on weight. And so I put on fifteen pounds

646
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: of muscle before we started shooting. By the end of shooting,

647
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: I had put on twenty pounds. Wow. Crazy way of

648
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: eating of like eating five meals a day.

649
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: I was going to say, were you just like taking

650
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Speaker 1: hard boiled eggs to the face.

651
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: Like oh my gosh, and like these protein powders and

652
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: like the weight gainer shakes, and yeah, just eating in

653
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: between takes and snacking all the time and trying to

654
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: have a calorie surplus, but doing it in the right

655
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: way and the healthy way as much as I could.

656
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't eating donuts and doing it like that, you know,

657
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: which I would have loved, but also break out, so

658
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 3: I had to like watch the skin, you know, And yeah,

659
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: it was it was. It was awesome to be able

660
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: to just physically transform and feel stronger because that was

661
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: the goal.

662
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: Is Okay, then you feel like this person.

663
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a there's a dominant presence that she needed

664
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: to have when she walks in her room. Yes, and

665
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: you know, how does she what's her posture? How does

666
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: she walk? Like what's her gait? All those things are affected,

667
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: you know when you feel stronger, And man, Janette, she

668
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: got me. She got me up to I could do

669
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: a hack squat squat of lifting two hundred and sixty

670
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: pounds by the time we were done, and she got

671
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: me feeling incredibly strong.

672
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: So that's so cool.

673
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be.

674
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: Back in just a minute. After a few words, from

675
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Speaker 1: our favorite sponsors. When you think about that, you know,

676
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: love for research. One of the things I love about

677
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: the way you speak about your work is that you're

678
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: never afraid to shy away from real themes that are

679
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: in it, especially when you're doing a lot of these

680
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: historical projects, you know, whether it's the Order or love

681
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: Craft Country like it. It offers, I think, the opportunity

682
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: to share history and even things that are loosely based

683
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: on history, to invite an audience in and to encourage

684
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: them not to shy away from who we are from.

685
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: You know, and how we got here.

686
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Yes, you can uncover the things that as a society

687
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: we often want to tuck away, like in the corner.

688
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: Keep in the dark.

689
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: And how do you kind of layer the historically relevant

690
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: jobs with your love of process, Like do you ask

691
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: a director to put you in touch with the historian

692
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: or is it very much the similar thing where everything

693
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: you find in the research leads you to another thing

694
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: and you're just trying to get as much of it

695
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: in your brain and body as you can by the

696
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: time the camera roles.

697
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: When I did the Order, I did ask them to

698
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: put me in touch with a few former special agents,

699
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: which they did. It depends on the project, and yeah,

700
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: who can help me and who's a resource? Production is

701
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: typically very beneficial in that way and have a lot

702
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: of resources at their disposal and encourage that sort of

703
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 3: research for you. Yeah, but a lot of it is

704
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: self motivated, and you're right, it is. Okay. It could

705
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: be a YouTube clip that makes you down a path

706
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: and then that leads you to something else, And it

707
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: really comes down to the level of curiosity the individual has.

708
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: And I have an immense amount of curiosity about humanity

709
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: and what drives us and what motivates us. It just

710
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 3: helps me understand my own life more. And I do

711
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: think that as part of the reason that I do

712
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: what I do. Storytelling to me and art is essential

713
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: because it helps us understand humanity.

714
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: If we understood.

715
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: Patterns in history more, I think we wouldn't be where

716
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: we are today. I agree with you. You know, if

717
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: more of us knew about unfortunately Nazi Germany, right, like,

718
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: we would be able to recognize real rhetoric and real

719
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: talk of a dictator.

720
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Currently right wouldn't be saying oh no, it's not that,

721
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: because it is. And literally the quotes.

722
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: Match, literally match, okay, And so I do feel like

723
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: it's the job of the artist to just tell the truth.

724
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: And how do you tell the truth? You just do

725
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: the research, right, you dig deeper, you ask the questions.

726
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: And you know what you're carrying into the room with you.

727
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. It gives you more confidence. I find in

728
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: the times when, like when I was younger and I

729
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: don't know that I had as much technique as I

730
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: do now, those moments I think I can watch the

731
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 3: work and go, oh, I see why I was there

732
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: because I didn't know you had to do this and

733
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: this and this, you know. But I also have to

734
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: say I give so much credit to a lot of

735
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: the individuals I've actually worked with along my career that

736
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: I just kind of stole there their technique really, you know,

737
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: asking them questions, Okay, well how do you do this? Well?

738
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: Why do you do this? And then going all right,

739
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try that out.

740
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: What's one of the best answers you've gotten to that question,

741
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Like from someone you have worked with who you admire,

742
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: what was a Oh, that's really good.

743
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: Denzel Washington, Oh, great debaters. He directed the film that

744
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: I was in, and it was like taking a masterclass

745
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: and he a lot of the tools. I mean, I

746
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: literally you know, when you're working with someone like Denzel

747
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 3: you better keep a note on notes and literally taking

748
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 3: notes every single day of what he says or how

749
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: he directs me or little nuggets he gives me. And

750
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: it was you know him who first told me about

751
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 3: this idea of writing a biography for your character. Knowing

752
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: everything about your character, even down to the kind of

753
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: sheets they sleep on, what do they eat for breakfast.

754
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: It helps you think like the character, so that on

755
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: the day, whether you're improving or or not having no dialogue,

756
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: there's something going on in your head. Yes, because if

757
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: you're thinking about the boom operator whose shirt is like

758
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: rising up as the hoad in the.

759
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Boom, or like sorry, you've got to pull that tea down.

760
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 3: Or if you're thinking about the fact that the director's

761
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: eating the donut that you wish you could eat right now,

762
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: but you're not gonna do it. You know, if your

763
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: if your head is not actually thinking the thoughts of

764
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: the character, the camera will see it. You can just

765
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: get lost. And it's and it's it's like a bliss

766
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: or euphoria, yes, that you are able to feel.

767
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely it's it's like a feeling of weightlessness.

768
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're in the flow.

769
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful when you think about that, like the

770
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: joy of what we do. Being in that flow. You

771
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: can obviously reflect on the people you've worked with and

772
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: the sets you've worked on, continued to build your toolkit.

773
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, looking back, there is a role

774
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: you've played that in hindsight you realize changed you in

775
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: a way that you didn't expect.

776
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: I really have developed a very spiritual relationship to my

777
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: instrument and I really feel that all of them come

778
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: to me in a moment that I need them the most,

779
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: in a moment when there's something in myself I have

780
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: to exercise through them. There's something that I'm struggling with,

781
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: there's a pattern I'm in, or there's a block, you know,

782
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: in the pipes, And so.

783
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't pick one.

784
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: I think they're all an evolution and if you pull

785
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: out one of them, I wouldn't be who I am

786
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: or where I am today. Even the bad ones, you know,

787
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: you learn a lot from the bad ones totally, and

788
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: even the toxic environments. Dare I say I learned at

789
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: a very early age how to recognize toxicity how to

790
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 3: recognize how adults enable toxicity being in environments where it's

791
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 3: like you know, when you're a child. In the industry, unfortunately,

792
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: any child is going to be exposed to certain adult

793
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: behavior they shouldn't be. And I learned a way of

794
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: protecting myself and recognizing it. And so I am honestly

795
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: grateful for it all. Yeah, and that might for some

796
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: people strike you know, accord as like odd, but I

797
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: truly am grateful for it all. It has created me,

798
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: and it has given me tools in my craft, in

799
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 3: my character and my characters, but like my actual character,

800
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: it has built my own character. You know, Yes, I

801
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: feel that.

802
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Too, And you know yes, working with wonderful people teaches

803
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: you where to set the bar. But the toxic experiences

804
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: I do think are invaluable. Would I wish them on anyone,

805
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: but what it teaches you, you know, I know I.

806
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: Know what to look out for.

807
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: In a way I could not had I not seen

808
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: the bad side. I am a better co star and

809
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: producer because I know what bad ones look like.

810
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: Yes, And I do think if you choose to take

811
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: what you wouldn't wish on someone else, and what maybe

812
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: you wish you didn't have to experience, but turn it

813
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 4: into a learning.

814
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: At exactly fuel you and it can.

815
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: Actually support people around you in an even better way. Yes,

816
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: And that I just think is how we figure out

817
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: how to make lemonade out of lemons.

818
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, And I really I feel it's so important

819
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: for us to lift up the ones who are not

820
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: that way. I remember I was doing the Burial with

821
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 3: Jamie Fox.

822
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: He is who's lovelier than him?

823
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, come onliest, the loveliest, generous, I mean,

824
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: pours into everyone. He produced it along with his producing

825
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: partner Tatari Turner and Fox Hold their company produced it.

826
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: They made sure that the majority, if not all, of

827
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: the department heads were women. It was a woman director

828
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: and writer woman DP like, I mean, unbelievable set. Right.

829
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: But there was a moment we were doing a scene

830
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: and there was someone on set who disrespect did a

831
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: crew member, and Jamie stopped the take and he gave

832
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: a long speech about how we will not tolerate anyone

833
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: disrespecting anyone. There is no rank. We are all linked.

834
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 3: He said, it was so beautiful to see this man

835
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: who's I mean, this man is so talented. He's a

836
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: freaking alien. He's so talented, but to see him hold

837
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: everyone accountable in such a gracious and beautiful way. I mean,

838
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 3: it was a moment I'll never forget. Like as great

839
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: as his performance is in that movie, and it is phenomenal,

840
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: and I loved you know, it's a joy to work

841
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: alongside him. It was that one moment that I will

842
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: remember the most though.

843
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: That's what makes you love him forever, right right?

844
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I just say, beauty.

845
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: Of what he does, it's the beauty of who he.

846
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: Is, amen, And it's why he can have longevity. It's

847
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: why he can have you know, he's at the top

848
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: of the top of the game still, right and having

849
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: done it for decades. And so yeah, I think I

850
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: think all of the experiences I welcome because it has

851
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: taught me and it has made me grow.

852
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Well, when you think about what's next,

853
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, the you know, the show premierees,

854
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: it's like your baby goes out into the world. But

855
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: also it's it's done. You know, it's finished, and then

856
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: you're onto the next, whether it's a personal thing or

857
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: a professional thing. Like as you look out at what's coming,

858
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: what feels like You're a work in progress.

859
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: That's really good. I really am on the vision board.

860
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: It is about becoming very intentional with stepping behind the camera, producing, directing,

861
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: ushering forward store worries whether I'm in them or not.

862
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: I don't need to be the but like helping to

863
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 3: expand the gaze of who gets to tell our stories,

864
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 3: who gets to define who we are as women, who

865
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: we are as others? Right, Like, I am not interested

866
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: in continuing to complain about the problem if I'm not

867
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Speaker 3: going to help solve it. And I see that we

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Speaker 3: have come so far in the industry. You know, I

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00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: don't know that decades ago I would have been able

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Speaker 3: to even have the opportunity to play a role like

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Speaker 3: Michelle in Smoke, who is so layered and complex and flawed.

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Speaker 1: It would have been you mean, she wasn't described as

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Speaker 1: likable girl, I write the word to the ground right, right.

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Speaker 3: And that she can be many things, and she can

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Speaker 3: make really questionably ambiguous, she can make morally ambiguous choices right,

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Speaker 3: and and she doesn't have to be all knowing or

877
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Speaker 3: all strong. I mean the strong strong women. Come on,

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Speaker 3: I'm over it.

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Speaker 2: A strong black woman, I like bored with it and

880
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Speaker 2: can just.

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Speaker 3: Give me flaws because flaws are truthful.

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Speaker 1: Let us be messy, let.

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Speaker 3: Us be messy, let us break the law, let us,

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Speaker 3: you know, run away from the person we should actually

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Speaker 3: be with. Let us do all the self sabotage of

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Speaker 3: the world. Because I want to see myself up there.

887
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Speaker 3: I want my niece to see herself up there. I

888
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 3: want my friends to see themselves up there. Like I'm

889
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: not interested in the girlfriend who has to be the

890
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Speaker 3: ear for the man's plot being pushed forward, right, But

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Speaker 3: I'm also not interested in the robot who's all powerful

892
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Speaker 3: and all good, because none of us are, you know.

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Speaker 3: So that is my intention is to work with filmmakers

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Speaker 3: and collaborators who push me, who helped me grow. I

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Speaker 3: just want to continue to grow and be better. Growing up,

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Speaker 3: my mom always had me reading these biographies of the

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Speaker 3: greats like Catherine have burned me, you know, her autobiography,

898
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Speaker 3: and studying their patterns. And you're not going to have

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Speaker 3: longevity if you stay stuck and rigid and doing the

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Speaker 3: same thing. How are you evolving and changing? And That's

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Speaker 3: what I'm interested in, being a work in progress.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Well. Congrats on the show and all

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Speaker 1: the things. Really happy for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm very very proud of you. This is

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Speaker 3: a beautiful platform you have. Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 1: We enjoy it. We got good people over here. Come

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Speaker 1: back anytime.

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Speaker 3: I will be back, Okay,