WEBVTT - 100th Episode Spectacular 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:09.040 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:17.640 tech Stuff from how stuff Works dot Com. Hello everybody, 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.239 and welcome to tech Stuff, coming live to you from 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.200 Studios seven seven b X. My name is Chris paul Ott. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.040 I'm an editor here at how stuff Works dot Com. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.880 And sitting next to me as usual, making funny faces 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.520 and laughing under the table is senior writer Jonathan Stricklin. Hey, there, 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.919 guess what what Today marks are one hundredth episode who 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.560 and we have something special for you guys today, something 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.440 that one of our listeners sent in. Hit it. Tyler, Congratulations, 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.960 Tech Stuff. You've made it to a hundred episodes. You 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.480 never thought it would get this fubb Man didn't we hope. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:05.199 So what's gonna be funny about listen to text stuff 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.199 in a hundred years. It's all the problems that we 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.960 had and we tried to solve it with thy phones 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:19.280 and text stuff showed us how to access my Tude store, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.960 showed me how to run inti virus, stuffware in bit, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:29.600 toured many more. That's why it's important to listen to 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:35.200 every text of episode and think John and Chris for 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:51.040 making it so it's a hundred APIs so a hundred episode? Yeah? 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.880 Thank you? Wow, that was really cool, wasn't it. That's 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.560 pretty awesome. So that was from James Meyer, host of 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.200 The Rare Podcast, who wrote that song just for us 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.440 for this hundredth episode. Awesome. Yeah, fantast We've been immortalized 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.000 in song. That's a little scary. Yeah, it's a little 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.960 frightening and it So Chris and I were debating what 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.280 did we want to do for the hundredth episode, you know, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.760 what would really be special to do the hundredth episode 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.760 of Tech Stuff, And ultimately we came to the conclusion 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.080 that what would be really special is to do an 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.680 episode that didn't require us to do any research whatsoever, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.160 and that what you're getting. So we wanted to talk 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.880 a little bit about kind of kind of ourselves, our 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.680 stories about how we got interested in tech Now, it 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.280 may surprise you to know that that neither Chris nor 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.160 myself really joined How Stuff Works with the intention of 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.720 being technical writers. Correct, Yeah, that's that's true. At the 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.600 time that what we came on board, Um, we didn't 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.960 really specialize in anything in particular. We wrote about anything 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.239 and everything, which was cool and that was that was 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.760 a lot of fun. But as we started to grow, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.359 it became apparent that it would really behoove us too 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.520 to specialize in various categories on and we're talking across 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.800 the board, all the different writers and to that way 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.480 kind of build our expertise in these different subjects. And 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.920 it turned out that Chris and I were the two 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:17.400 who were not afraid of technology speak for yourself, but 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.800 Josh and Chuck scared to death of her. You should. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.200 I mean, Josh he quivers when he turns his power 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.840 button on on his computer. I mean, it's you know, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.600 it's a site to behold. But no, seriously, we we 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.679 actually both love technology, and so it was it was 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.480 a pretty good fit. I mean, it was again one 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.840 of those things where for a second, it was intimidating 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.560 because there's a whole lot of tech. Yeah, there's an 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.600 awful lot of tech and it changes all the time. Yep, yep, 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.520 just switched on us. So so we were both a 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.440 little uh, you know, we we were excited and a 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.720 little anxious, and it turned out to be a great 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.960 fit actually, because that led to the Tech Stuff podcast, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.920 which also led to the tech stuff blogs, and here 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.400 we sit getting to talk about some of the coolest 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.400 stuff on the face of the planet as far as 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.600 I'm concerned. All right, so we're gonna talk about some 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.480 of our favorite tech and some stories that about how 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.240 we got involved in technology and and led up to 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:19.240 our careers. I suppose. Alright, then, so you want to start, Um, sure, Um, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.640 you know, my dad was a mechanical engineer, and UM, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.880 you know he was. He's always been a real gadget nut. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.720 And UM, I think that's sort of carried over, you know, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.839 osmosis if you will. Um. And uh. I actually got 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.400 my first computer when I was in junior high school, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.760 which in the school system I was in was ninth grade, 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.960 was in junior high school, and it was unsurprisingly an 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.080 Amiga Amiga one thousand, which was the very first Um. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.400 And well, you know I would have if I had 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.440 gotten a PC, I would have been using Doss so seriously. UM, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.600 but we Uh, instead of going with the at R 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.480 E S T or the Mac, we actually went with 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:04.200 the Amiga. And I was an Amiga user for many years. Um. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.600 That's the basics on my my tech background. And of course, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.400 you know, there were many many gadgets and gizmos and 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.599 do flag. I'm sure. I'm sure we'll hit some of 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.159 them as we talk. So that was your sort of 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.359 the genesis for you. Yeah, it was my first computer, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.599 all right. Well for me, my parents are authors. Um, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.320 my father has been a published author for many many 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:32.560 years and has written several science fiction novels. So science, gadgets, technology, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.760 all of that sort of thing held you know, he 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.240 had had a fascination with all of that as well. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.200 So in our family, we decided that we needed a computer, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.880 mainly so that my father could write and uh not 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.920 have to type everything out on on paper and you know, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.520 curse every time there was a a mistake, and and 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.200 you know I had to go and retype an entire 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.159 page as opposed to you know, just hitting a little 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:57.919 backspace but in a couple of times and typing in 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:02.440 another key. So our first computer technically was a Texas 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.280 instrument computer. Wow. Yeah, I used to hunt the wumpus. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.719 But um, the first computer where we actually had what 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.040 I would call a computer computer. And this is not 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.480 to offend you Texas instrument fans out there, please don't 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.320 write to me, was the Apple to E and the 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.599 Apple to Apple two E was really meant for my 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.279 dad to uh to be able to write his books, 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.840 you know. But we also managed to get a few games, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.560 and that pretty much sold it for me. Once I 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.120 found out that this machine also let you play stuff, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.039 I was hooked. And so the Apple two E was 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:41.520 kind of my introduction. Yeah, Jonathan, the the anti Mac guy. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.359 My first computer was the Apple two e UM and 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.680 I'm not really anti Mac. I We always go on 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.280 about this because a reader once said that I had 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.760 an anti Mac bias, and so I find it very 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.320 funny and I like to bring it up. But yeah, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.680 that was my intro, was the Apple t E. And uh, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.600 I'll be talking a little bit more about that as well, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.360 I guess to this conversation. So we're just gonna talk 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.960 about some other kind of tech things, stuff we like, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.280 stuff that kind of shaped us. So you got anything 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.040 else you want to add before I jump into another 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.680 one of my stories, No, go ahead? Oh you want 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.160 me to go ahead? All right? Okay, Well here we go. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.040 One of the first games that I got for the 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.760 Apple to E was the was Ultimate too, all right. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.480 I never had the first Ultimate Game or a Calabath. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.720 I've never had either of those until much, much, much later. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.480 But Ultimate Too was an interesting game. First of all, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.760 I was interested in role playing, so the old Dungeons 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.480 and Dragons games and stuff like that, because I was 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.520 a complete geek even back then. And uh and Ultimate 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.040 two was of course a a computer role playing game. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.280 It was a single player game, and you went through 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.679 the game as an adventurer trying to kill the bad guy. Um. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.680 Because my dad writes science fiction, I got to go 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.960 to a convention where Richard Garriott, a k a. Lord British, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.440 the guy who invented the Ultimate series, was there, and 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.720 we were invited to go to a party. Helped this 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.560 name dropping city right here. We went to a party 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.040 held by Gary Gygax, the founder of one of the 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.600 co creators of Dungeons and Dragons. Richard Garriott was also 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.280 at this party. I talked to him briefly and said, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.040 I really like this game, Ultimate Too. I had played 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.520 Ultimate four because a friend of mine had it, but 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.920 I only had the second one. Richard Garriot said, oh, well, 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.400 I have a copy of the the first build of 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.120 Ultimate five. It's not ready to go to market yet, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.560 but if you want to play test that you can, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.400 and that was what sealed the deal, right there, was 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.200 getting to the the idea of getting to play something 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.760 before anyone else. You know, that really appealed to my 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.920 sense of ego. So I really enjoyed that, and uh 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.679 I became an Ultimate fan ever since. So I was 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.080 a big, big Ultimate fanboy. Um. So yeah, I would 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.960 say that the Ultimate Series, especially the way that he 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.120 incorporated the sense of morality in those games, which was 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.720 very different from any games that came before it, where 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.200 where you really were just a hack and slash kind 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:07.040 of you know, killing machine. Really in those early adventure games, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.680 the Ultimate Series, where you became the avatar, you actually 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.800 had to make moral choices and if you made the 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.400 wrong ones, you weren't gonna win the game. So it 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.040 was pretty cool, you know. I I admit I've never 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.320 actually played in the Ultimate Series. O you poor deluded food. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.520 That's amazing that you've gotten through life this this way. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.079 But I did play Leather Goddesses of Phobos. Oh okay, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.320 well then all right you a moral fool. Um. Well 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.120 that's awesome, awesome text based adventure yep, yep, so I 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.000 I you know, I remember playing some of those games 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.320 back in the day too. I remember playing Zurich and 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.920 Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, those great tech spased games. Yeah, yep, yep. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.200 But you know, there have been other tech things over 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.560 the course of the years that sort of fell in 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:55.880 love with. It's us thinking about something a little more recent. Um, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.880 the hand Spring Visor. Wow. Yeah, actually was one of 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.959 the few Handspring owners. For you, those of you who 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.000 don't have any idea what I'm talking about, that these 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.720 things called p d A s they came out before smartphones. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.600 I know, it's hard to believe. Um. The the Palm Group, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.080 actually some of the people who founded it broke off 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.840 because they wanted to do their own thing again. Um. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.439 They created a company called Handspring and they licensed the 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.400 Palm operating system and the very first one they came 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.160 out with was the Visor UM and it had an 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.360 expansion slot where you could plug in cartridges and other 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.480 uh neat expansions that would help your visor do other things. UM. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.000 I didn't really have any of that, but it was 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.680 my first p d A and found out how useful 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.320 it is to organize your calendar where you could just 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.080 write stuff down and you know, you got it at home. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.000 You've got it at work, you can sink your computers. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.960 Very useful. And then later on they went on to 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.920 build these you know, earliest smartphones called the Trio, and 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.320 then they got gobbled back up by Palm, so that's 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.880 where they are now. But it was my my first 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.199 introduction to the smartphone p D a world uh it 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.040 minded nemophone. But you know the technology to this in 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:11.160 smartphones now, Chris, I gotta ask you, okay, did you 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.000 before the Worldwide Web? Were you one of the folks 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.280 who would log into bolton boards and things like that. No, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.880 you know, I didn't use bulletin boards, which probably surprises 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.800 you a little bit. It does surprise me a little bit. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:28.320 But when I was in college, I did. Uh. I 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.559 did dial into the VAX on our on our college campus. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.800 So I was logging into the main frame direct. For 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.839 those of you, again who don't know what I'm talking about, UM, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.320 this was a very large mainframe computer um that digital 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.320 equipment made before they were gobbled up by you know, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.320 Compact and then HP. UM. You know, I had where 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:50.880 I used to go to the computer lab. I didn't 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.160 go to the mac lab. I actually went to the 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.760 VAX lab. So you know, basically giant dumb terminals with 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.880 the green light on the black screen. So the time 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.760 sharing model. Yeah, nice, nice. Yeah. I used to log 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.200 into bolden boards to do to play games and things 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.400 like that, various again, mostly role playing games of some sort. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.520 I remember there's a science fiction based one that I 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.360 enjoyed quite a bit. Uh. Do you remember the first 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.640 time you you discovered the world Wide Web? Um? I 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:23.640 don't remember the very first time for me. What's easy 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.880 because it was freshman year of college. So see when 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.560 I when I started using the the Internet, I wasn't 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:34.280 really using the web. I was using mostly chat and email, right, yeah, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.360 I was. I was using tel Net quite a bit too, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.240 to log into chat rooms and things like that. But then, UM, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:44.240 I remember being in the computer lab at my college 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.760 and looking over and seeing someone looking at something on 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.640 the computer that had graphics on it, and I was 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.760 wondering what it was, and he said, this is a 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.760 worldwide Web And I said, what's that? Because, of course 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.880 this is back before that was really gotten around quite 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:03.720 a bit, and uh was pretty young, and and uh, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.320 I did build a web page. And back in those days, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.840 of course, the way you built a web page was 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.240 that you had a an editor where you were essentially 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.080 editing things in uh in in text, and then you 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.920 would save it um to wherever the host was, and 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.360 you would then open up your browser and check it 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.760 out and see how it looked, and then realize that 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.200 everything was wrong and quit all of your browser. Open 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.800 your editor again, go back and tweak a few things, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.920 save it, upload, go back, open up the browser. You 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.800 did this over and over and over again until it 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.480 looked right. And of course, when I say looked right, folks, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.840 these pages look horrible, all right. You gotta imagine, Okay, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.600 some some really really crappy tiled background image, some clip 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:49.280 art type uh images along there a MIDI file playing 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.600 and a loop in the background. The blink tag. Now, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.760 the blink tag. I think I had a blink tag. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.600 I did have a minifile playing rule Britan Tanya over 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.800 and over and over again. Yeah. I was one of 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.280 those lame people who made a really really bad web page. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.560 I think I've seen that web page. You probably have, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.640 or it was one of the Essentially, if you look 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.440 at any web page that any college student made in 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.320 that's a pretty good indicator of what I built. It 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.840 was hideous. But you know what, it was so interesting 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.600 to be able to create something where not only were 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:28.240 you able to to publish your work, but essentially millions 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.400 and millions of people had access to it. And suddenly 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.680 that was when I realized, this is an amazing tool 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.920 where a single person can reach a huge audience. When before, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.480 you know, you had to have a monster kind of 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.840 organization backing you to be able to do that. You 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.760 had to be able to to become a published writer 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.160 or a journalist of some sort in order for that 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.880 many people to get a look at what you had 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.000 to say. The Web suddenly made it possible for everyone 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.160 to be that. Yeah. Now, of course that means that 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.200 you get some incredible writer who otherwise would never be discovered, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.320 and you also get the crazies who you wish you 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:11.160 had never discovered. It's you know, catch all. Really, you know, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.840 it's funny because I was I was just out of college, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.360 and um, they I signed up for a local internet 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:19.880 service provider and they asked me if I wanted my 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:24.640 own domain name, and I really didn't understand what that meant. Um, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.760 you know, because I'd been on a dot etu and 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.800 I figured out while I'm on a dot net now, 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.120 and it doesn't you know, I don't why would I 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.400 want my own domain name? Now, I'm thinking back to 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.880 all of the domain names I could have squatted on. Wow, yeah, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.040 nobody knew what what was going on, and no one, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.360 no one had any There were very few people who 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.400 were able to jump on that very quickly and and say, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.000 you know, this is gonna be huge. I'm guessing that 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.920 a bunch of companies are gonna get involved in this, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.640 and therefore I should make sure I get Coca Cola 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.360 dot com. Ye, except at that point, they weren't eight 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.280 for a dot com. They were I don't even know, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.680 probably hunt of dollars for a domain registration. They would 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.680 have taken six weeks to process in all sorts of 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.040 stem right right, And there's no guarantee that you would 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.800 actually be able to squat on and sell it, you know, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.280 because some some companies were strong enough to be able 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.720 to muscle them away. So but still, you know, I 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.360 was thinking about I was going to ask you what 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:23.640 your first video game console was. My first video game console, Well, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.600 if you don't count the the Pong game that we 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.920 had where it had the you know, eight different versions 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.680 of the same pong game. Uh, you would it would 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.640 have to be the a yeah, yeah, which not counting 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:40.480 my Calico Telstar, which had uh, handball, tennis and I 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.960 think hockey on it. It's very very subtle variations of Pong. Yeah, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.840 it was essentially the same thing I had, and I 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:52.280 just don't remember what the brand was anymore. Yeah, but yeah, 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.000 and yes, yes, we have joked about in the past. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.320 I really did own et. Yeah, and it was terrible. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.840 I still have all my games. Mine were given away 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:07.040 to a younger cousin. Ah, I see, and then of course, uh, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.120 you know, I actually skipped awhile, I skipped the whole 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.359 Nintendo thing and then went, you know, we got the 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.199 Sega Genesis. It's funny I owned, now that I think 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.040 about it, more consoles as an adult, you know, the 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.720 GameCube and the Wii and the PlayStation two. I still 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.919 like to get a PlayStation three in an Xbox three sixty. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.840 So let's see, I'll go through mine. I had the 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.840 Attar twenty s after it was already dead. I got 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.199 the Intellivision. Like the Intellivision works, but there were no 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.600 more games coming out. Yeah, I got a big collection 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.680 of games when I got the Intellivision and a big 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.640 collection of the little plastic inserts that you would put 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.680 in the controller. Um, the two did not necessarily match. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.520 There was some overlap, but there were. It was so 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.000 frustrating because there were I had games where I didn't 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.320 have the insert and I wasn't really sure what buttons 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.800 did what until lots of trial and error, and then 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.520 I had inserts that like they were for a really 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.359 awesome game, but I didn't have the game. So I 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.000 had the twice six hundred, the in television and then 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.040 again skipping quite a bit because I skipped the Nintendo 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.760 era as well. Uh then let's see, Oh, I got 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.880 a PlayStation one, and then I got a Nintendo sixty four, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.680 and then a GameCube, and then the Xbox and then 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.720 the PS two and then the Dreamcast. I got late, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:27.280 but it was awesome and uh, LOUI, So I think 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.280 that's all of them. I don't think I missed any Um, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.960 I left out the game Boy Boy, had a game 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.840 Boy Advance, and now we have a DS, which very 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.680 well fancy schmancy. Yeah no, I don't have a d 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.920 s um. Yeah, I know what happened for me was 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.440 that I went from the Atari and essentially in television later, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.040 which I kind of inherited from another cousin my family. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.240 We give give technology to our younger cousins, I guess, um. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.240 But I went from the Atari to computer games, and 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.080 then I became a computer game snob because I just 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.560 thought that the games on the computers were so much 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.520 more sophisticated than the console games at the time that 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.560 I did not want to go back to consoles. It 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.359 wasn't until we reached the point where in order to 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.760 play video games you had to upgrade your video card 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.480 every six months or else you couldn't play them anymore. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.480 That's when I was like, you know what, I'm going 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.399 back to consoles because you don't have to do that 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.080 with them. Yeah that's true. Yeah, that's true because they 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.760 you know, uh forces them to stay stick to the 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.320 the specs. They don't have a choice. Right. Um. Let's see, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.320 so any particular software he did, because I was I 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.800 was thinking about the different tools that we've used. I 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.200 mean there's stuff like Microsoft Office, which you know, other 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.959 than maybe power Point, I don't really have a problem with, 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.359 but it's not exciting, and you know, stuff that I 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.879 really like see a lot of the software that I 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.160 like right now or we're talking are like cloud applications 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.880 like Google Docs. I love Google old docs because as 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.400 a writer, I also write outside of my job here. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.680 I write fiction occasionally, and Google Docs lets me upload 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.240 things and that way I can access it wherever I 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.439 don't necessarily have take my computer with me. If if 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.040 there's going to be a computer wherever I go, I 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.919 can access it. And it also allows me to collaborate 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.399 with other writers, which and in a much easier way 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.119 than than the traditional way where you would write and 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.000 write and write and then email it to someone and 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.640 then they would make changes and then email it back, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.520 and then you don't have to make sure that you 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.000 had the most recent version of the documents so that 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.959 you didn't accidentally change something from an older version and 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.800 skip out on all the changes that have been made 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:42.880 since then. And Google Docs made it so much easier. Yeah, 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.000 you know, writing is one of those funny things because 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.760 really all you need is a pen and paper or 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.800 you know, you could use it. You know, it's your 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.359 simple text program to do that, you know, the one 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.399 that comes to your computer or word or Open office 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.520 or something like that. UM. I like Scrivener for mac 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.360 us ten um for those of you who are interested 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.960 in doing fiction writing, because it actually comes with a 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.119 corkboard kind of thing we can actually make uh you know, 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.120 I guess virtual note cards and sort of plan out 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.440 what you're doing with It's kind of neat. Um. It's 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.000 from a small company called Literature and Latte, which is 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:24.919 um pretty interesting. UM. Let's see, and you know, I 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.399 sort of picked on Office just a minute ago. But 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.520 there is one segment of the you know, Microsoft productivity 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.960 software that I really like, um, and that's one note 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.960 because it is a really neat notebook program that lets you, 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.080 you know, keep notes and things. And the reason I 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.040 like that, uh compared to other systems is you know, 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:45.720 you can search stuff in your notes and it's also 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.320