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Speaker 1: Here we go at Tower two on a Wednesday. Albert

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Speaker 1: Breyer in a couple of minutes, sob Brooks Koepka, my

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Speaker 1: guy going back to the tour, not going to be

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Speaker 1: eligible for some of the money, but he can still

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Speaker 1: take all of it. The Masters, the US Open, in

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Speaker 1: the British Open. So I didn't have a problem when

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Speaker 1: he left for Lives. I don't have a problem him

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Speaker 1: coming back. I like watching him play. The more he's

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Speaker 1: on my TV, the happier I am. So the way

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Speaker 1: I feel about Bryce and to Shamba and Rory McElroy,

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods in his prime here on my TV, I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who you play for. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: PGA doesn't control my three favorite tournaments. My three favorite

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Speaker 1: tournaments Masters, US Open, British Open, FedEx Cup's fine, but

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he's back, and I'm okay that he left.

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Speaker 1: All right, I do this, this will be I always

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Speaker 1: have about five or six teams in my Super Bowl bubble.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those teams like Kansas City or in

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Speaker 1: New England in their dynasty that we don't have that

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Speaker 1: this year. In fact, maybe the best team's Buffalo. We

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Speaker 1: don't know, and are they a super Bowl Bowl team?

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Speaker 1: So eight teams left, I'm gonna tell you how many

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Speaker 1: teams I think are capable of winning the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of wins from today. So we'll start

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Speaker 1: with the Rams. Number one scoring offense, number one total

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Speaker 1: offense in the NFL, and they are healthy. Okay, they're healthy,

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Speaker 1: and that offense is lethal. Matt Stafford's always been good

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Speaker 1: in the playof six and two with the Rams one

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Speaker 1: oh seven passer rating. I don't love their special teams.

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Speaker 1: But one of the teams that matched up very well

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Speaker 1: against them, Philadelphia with AJ Brown a problem for their corners.

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Speaker 1: They're out by the way. Carolina match up well with

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Speaker 1: them twice. Two big boundary of receivers. The Rams are

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl Bubble team. The second one I would

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Speaker 1: put in New England, folks, They've won fourteen in the

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Speaker 1: last fifteen games, top five coach. They also lead the

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Speaker 1: NFL in yards per play, including the playoffs. That's what

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Speaker 1: the wise guys like. And I said this yesterday. Here's

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Speaker 1: where they remind me of the old Patriots. A mature, tall,

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Speaker 1: accurate quarterback, a defense, tough guy at coach Josh McDaniel, coordinator,

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft, owner and those Patriot teams didn't have any

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Speaker 1: major holes. They weren't the best at a lot of

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Speaker 1: Patriots is. I do think they have to continue to

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Speaker 1: they terrible at anything? I have New England capable of

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Speaker 1: getting in winning a Super Bowl. The third team I

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Speaker 1: think can get in as the Seahawks. Again. They won

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Speaker 1: eleven of twelve, only lost two points in a turnover

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Speaker 1: play game against the Rams, number four scoring offense. You

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Speaker 1: can't run the football on them, so they force you

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Speaker 1: to throw. Well, that can be problematic if you're playing

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Speaker 1: in Seattle and it's raining in January sideways. I think

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Speaker 1: little dependent on JS Senate wide receiver. Okay, but again

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Speaker 1: I don't know where their hole is. Well. Darnold throws picked,

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Speaker 1: and final team maybe is the Buffalo Bills, best second

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Speaker 1: many wins eight as the remaining AFC quarterbacks combined four.

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Speaker 1: Their offensive personnel is very good, Deon Dawkins, James Cook,

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Speaker 1: Defense worries me a little, but I think they can

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Speaker 1: on this impressive win of Jacksonville. How about the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: I can't held the twenty points or fewer three straight games.

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Speaker 1: easy schedule. The Jacksonville loss was kind of a whoe moment,

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Speaker 1: Jmax said it earlier this week. Something's not quite right

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Speaker 1: I honestly, if Woody Marks is out, I don't feel

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Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams. We're not saying they can't win another game,

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Speaker 1: but I think only four of eight can get to

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Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl with that. Albert Breer is

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Speaker 1: now joining US Live. You're a reporter or not that

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Speaker 1: you care any of those rankly, any of those you

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Speaker 3: I mean, Houston's defense is starting to feel to me

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Speaker 3: like twenty fifteen Broncos, twy thirteen Seahawks, two thousand and

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Speaker 3: two Buccaneers, I shift, two thousand Ravens. Like just watching

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Speaker 3: because I think we all know, like how they can

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Speaker 3: they can get after the passer with Anderson and Hunter,

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Speaker 3: and then the depth that they have on the defensive line.

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Speaker 4: You know, one thing that really stuck out to me,

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Speaker 4: Colin was.

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Speaker 3: Watching when Aaron Rodgers checked the ball down and threw

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Speaker 3: it over the middle on Monday Night. Yeah, and how

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Speaker 3: it seemed like there were three hats on the ball

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Speaker 4: And it's just I.

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Speaker 3: Saw what they did to the Bills and Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: You know, said that when you see a great defense,

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Speaker 3: Right, So, Like my question is, and here's what so

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Speaker 3: against them. That's a good team. Like, I know they've

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Speaker 4: Really good team.

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Speaker 3: I just like, to me, it's like, what do their

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Speaker 4: On the concussion protocol.

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Speaker 3: But their rookie receiver Jayden Higgins and Jalen Noel, their

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Speaker 3: Arianta ERSII, their rookie offensive coordinator Nick Kyley, who knows

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Speaker 4: Like, I just.

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Speaker 3: I look at the amount of young people and first

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Speaker 3: and the quarterback's part of that equation too, And can

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Speaker 4: And I think you.

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Speaker 3: Saw flashes of it again on Monday night, like there

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Speaker 3: was the deep ball to Jalen Knowle that was right

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Speaker 3: Things that you see with them offensively where it's like God,

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Speaker 4: And this team could be even better next year, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I just think the historic.

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Speaker 3: Nature of the defense, we've seen it before, right like so,

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Speaker 1: We know the Ravens is the best job for a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons. Great owner, nice roster a mix of

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants is the second best job. I

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Speaker 1: We all know that goes without saying in Pittsburgh. I

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Speaker 1: think the Giants is a better job today to me

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Speaker 1: arch manning. Do you think the Giants is better than

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Speaker 3: I would agree, And I think what's so interesting about

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Speaker 3: this year's market, Colin is so many of the jobs

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Speaker 3: depend on your individual evaluation of the quarterback, right, because

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Speaker 3: we know how important having the right quarterback is. So

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Speaker 3: the Giants job, how attractive it is, is largely dependent

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Speaker 3: on what you think of Jackson Dart. Same thing with

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Speaker 3: cam Ward and Tennessee, same thing with Michael Pennix in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: I mean, heck, you just say the same thing about Vegas,

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Speaker 3: like what do you think of Fernando Mendoza and Dante Moore? Right, So,

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Speaker 3: I think the attractiveness of this job kind of a

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Speaker 4: That said, they have a lot of other.

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Speaker 3: Things with the Giants, like you said, franchise left tackle

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Speaker 3: On the defensive front, I mean, my goodness, Brian Burns,

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Speaker 3: Abdulla Carter, Dexter Lawrence, you have a chance to be

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Speaker 3: of years, I felt like they were the team right.

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Speaker 4: On the edge. So I think I would agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of it depends on what your

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Speaker 4: It's just as to just how attractive the job is.

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Speaker 3: So I think Robert gives you the chance to do that.

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Speaker 3: Jesse mintro got requested by every single team with an

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Speaker 3: Jeff Haffley has been a head coach before, has done

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Speaker 3: So I never heard of that one before, a cat this,

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Speaker 3: Brady and John Spytech. Do they take a swing on

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Speaker 3: Davis web Like? Do they take a swing on somebody

437
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Speaker 3: like that? I don't think that that's impossible. Dolphins that

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Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak, Yeah, there's some carryover system wise

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Speaker 3: with Clint and Matt Lafleur and John Eric Sullivan came

440
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Speaker 3: from came from Green Bay and had been with Lefloor

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Speaker 3: and is going to be comfortable with Clint Kubiak's vision

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Speaker 3: and be able to carry out Clint Kubiak's vision. I

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Speaker 3: know one of the things they're really looking for there

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Speaker 3: is a collaborative environment, you know, in their new structure,

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Speaker 3: and so Clint would make some sense for them.

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Speaker 1: One more Steelers Chris Sula.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm tempted to say Marcus Freeman, by the way, but.

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Speaker 1: His camp says he's not interested. You don't buy that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's the one.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the one of all these like his

451
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Speaker 3: like so, the Giants and Titans did pursue him, you know,

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Speaker 3: and did fit to gauge interest and talk to them

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Speaker 3: and everything else, and that was right when he agreed

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Speaker 3: to stay at Notre Dame. I do think he has

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Speaker 3: designs on coaching in the NFL. And let me ask

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Speaker 3: you this, Colin. If Marcus Freeman right now were the

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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator of say the Chargers, wouldn't he checked every

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Speaker 3: box as far as like a Steelers head coach, like

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Speaker 3: what they generally look for.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely like he.

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Speaker 3: Carries himself like a Steelers head coach. I think Chris

462
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Speaker 3: Schule is the same, by the way, but Marcus Freeman

463
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Speaker 3: would check a lot of boxes for the Steelers, just

464
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Speaker 3: kind of that battleship commander that they've always had. I

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Speaker 3: think Chris Shule, if you look at his background, right,

466
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Speaker 3: and despite his last name, he's had to work his

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Speaker 3: way up right and check boxes along the way. And

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Speaker 3: Sean McVeigh, despite their relationship, really made Chris earn it there.

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Speaker 3: And I can remember like when they promoted him, like

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Speaker 3: that was not about like oh yeah, like you know,

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Speaker 3: he's just been here long enough, we ought to give

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Speaker 3: it to him, Like he really had to earn that job.

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Speaker 3: I heard Shula's name connected to this deals before any

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Speaker 3: of this happened, like two three weeks ago. And if

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Speaker 3: you think about like kind of what they've looked for

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Speaker 3: and head coaches, maybe not the guy everybody's looking at,

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Speaker 3: but somebody with a defensive background, who's got real presence,

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Speaker 3: who carries himself like a battleship commander who can handle

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Speaker 3: the pressure of being Pittsburgh. I think Chris Shula to me,

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Speaker 3: would check a lot of those boxes. And again, like,

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Speaker 3: I think this is somewhere too that having that last

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Speaker 3: name probably doesn't hurt and not that it like you

483
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Speaker 3: think he's going to be the next Don Shula. But

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Speaker 3: this is a guy who's dealt with expectations his entire life,

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Speaker 3: you know, because of that last name.

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Speaker 4: So I think he would be a really interesting fit

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Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback. Great see anybody?

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Speaker 4: All right? Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Going, Yeah, there's some interesting candidates for sure. Colin.

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Speaker 7: He dropped like seven bombs there in that. I'm over here,

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Speaker 7: Like what Marcus Freeman? Come on, you think The only

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Speaker 7: scary thing and I just texted my two Notre Dame

494
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Speaker 7: people who are close to the program, is that the

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Speaker 7: Steelers would give Marcus Freeman a huge runway right, who

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Speaker 7: cares old roster no quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Here meets your talent. Here's the other great thing about

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman. They have a first, a second, three thirds,

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Speaker 1: two fourths. Who knows college personnel? Marcus Freeman, just like

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Speaker 1: Harball goes to the Chargers back to back drafts. He

501
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Speaker 1: knows he's recruited all these top guys. You get a

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Speaker 1: huge I mean, if you go pure NFL guy, you

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Speaker 1: don't get that. When you hire Harbaugh, you kind of

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Speaker 1: get that. You hire Marcus Freeman. I guarantee it for

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Speaker 1: the next two drafts. Marcus Freeman's gonna ace it. I

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Speaker 1: know he knows the odometer on guys, not just the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 7: That would be a bigger shock to me than Tom

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Speaker 7: Lennard Harball even combined.

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Speaker 1: If Marcus Freeman left Notre Dame, you would you take?

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Speaker 1: You tell me Notre Dame are the Steelers?

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Speaker 7: I mean Notre Dame is gonna be stacked next year.

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Speaker 7: Their quarterback could be a top five fifth. I'm not

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Speaker 7: going I would stay Notre Dame. But the Steelers they're

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Speaker 7: gonna be okay being terrible for three years because the.

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Speaker 1: Owners, They're not gonna be terrible.

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Speaker 7: Colin, your roster is garbage, dude, dude, dude.

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Speaker 1: A first, the second, three threes, two four With Marcus Freeman, all.

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Speaker 7: You have to cook, who's QB one that's away?

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Speaker 1: By the way, New England three hundred million in cap

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Speaker 1: space seven Draft picks. Shocking they had Drake May. Come on,

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Speaker 1: Drake May, on this one. You're not gonna be I mean,

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Speaker 1: I bet you everything I've earned, You're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: terrible for three years with Marcus Freeman. That roster is

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Speaker 1: going to turn over by the last but the last

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Speaker 1: weekend of April, you're gonna have seven new guys who

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Speaker 1: can play. And then and then, by the way, now

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Speaker 1: that you don't pay the quarterback, they're gonna have the

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Speaker 1: most money in the league. They're not paying it. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna happen what New England did to their roster. Forget

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Speaker 1: Drake May. Look at their roster. Last year the Patriots

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Speaker 1: had the worst receiving cord the league. Now it's like

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Speaker 1: number three in big plays. Why they had money and

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Speaker 1: draft picks.

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Speaker 7: The other thing Brier said, by the way, he said

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Speaker 7: Davis Webb as a head coach, I almost fell out

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Speaker 7: of my chair. I had to look up where Davis Webb.

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Speaker 7: He's like a passing game coordinator for the Broncos. What

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Speaker 7: he was in the league like seven minutes ago. So

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Speaker 7: Breer's onto. I love that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I love the rumors in the scuttle butt. Oh juicy

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Speaker 1: So Pittsburgh Steelers got a bunch of draft picks. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine they're going to have some cap space as

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Speaker 1: they move off their old expensive defense. Here's Art Rooney

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Speaker 1: this morning on how he looks at the roster and

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Speaker 1: the new head coach.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, it's a rebuild.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a new coach.

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Speaker 5: So there will be changes and and you know, we'll

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Speaker 5: we'll have to all get comfortable with kind of the plan.

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Speaker 5: So you know, whether you call it a rebuild or not,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't like like that word that much.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, we'll we'll try to compete day one if

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Speaker 5: we can.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and you won't probably Again, I think I think

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Speaker 1: an interesting part of this it's a it's not a

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Speaker 1: very good quarterback class, and you don't here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You think it's crazy. But if the Raiders weren't owned

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Speaker 1: by Brady, I think they'd a you know, Tom's gonna

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Speaker 1: make sure they take Mendoza's that's my prediction. You can't

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Speaker 1: get the number one spot if Dante More came out

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Speaker 1: you I mean, listen, if you're the New York Jets,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what if the Steelers came to you and said,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you all three of our threes to get

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Speaker 1: Dante Moore fause Dante More, I'd be like, I'll sign

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Speaker 1: up for that. Jets are Steelers. So Tys Simpson's viewed

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Speaker 1: as from the calls I've made, like late, first, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's the top ten guy. But again, if

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Speaker 1: you have to reach in a quarterback, that's the position

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Speaker 1: you reach at. Yeah, I think that the Steelers have

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Speaker 1: to get comfortable with just being awful awful? Get you

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Speaker 1: Drake May, Okay, mid get you, Kenny Pickett. So I

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Speaker 1: can't wait here? Was Albert Breer a second ago in

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Speaker 1: the Steelers opening.

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Speaker 3: It's a flagship franchise, patient ownership. They're going to give

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Speaker 3: you time to bill. But man, you got a lot

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Speaker 3: of work to do on that roster. They got eight

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Speaker 3: guys and they're starting twenty two right now that are

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Speaker 3: thirty year older.

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Speaker 4: So what do you do with TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt?

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Speaker 3: What do you do with Cam Hayward? Does he retire?

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Speaker 3: What do you do with Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Rodgers? Does

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Speaker 3: he enter out? You don't have a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: in that roster where you look and say, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: guy's going to be here three years from now. Got

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Speaker 3: a couple offensive linemen, maybe a defensive lineman or two,

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Speaker 3: and that's it. And so you've got I think what

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Speaker 3: looks like a relatively lengthy rebuild there.

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Speaker 1: My guess is Hardbott of the New York Giants, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Stefanski to the Steelers makes a lot of sense to me.

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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense to me. I could

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Speaker 1: see Brian dabol to the Titans. He's interviewing Friday, and

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Speaker 1: there's just don't forget about Stefanski, two time coach of

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Speaker 1: the Year in Cleveland. All right, I think almost all

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Speaker 1: of these jobs, I mean, I Arizona and Cleveland don't

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Speaker 1: interest me at all. But this league is you're so capable,

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Speaker 1: if you have a lot of draft picks, you're so

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Speaker 1: capable of turning things around quickly. I mean a great

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Speaker 1: example of it is if you get the right coach

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Speaker 1: and you got a couple hundred million to spend in

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Speaker 1: free agency. Look at New England and they say, wow,

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Speaker 1: they've got Drake May. In one year, we got six

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Speaker 1: potential first round quarterbacks, maybe eight. You stink for a year.

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Speaker 1: But this league, there's a pretty common thread if you

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback right and then eventually get the coach right.

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Speaker 1: Like That's why I think the New York Giant is

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Speaker 1: a really interesting opening. Whatever Jackson Dart is, he looks

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Speaker 1: like a franchise quarterback. Is he going to be the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth best, the eighth best or the sixteenth best? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Keep him out of the blue tenth, but

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Speaker 1: you got one, and that means you're not paying anything

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Speaker 1: for him. So or Neighbors or Abdul Carter or Scataboo,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Giants' best players. You're not paying

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Speaker 1: anything for him, So to me, the Giants job. I

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Speaker 1: know it's hard to say this when you've been bad forever.

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Speaker 1: I think the New York Giants job. If I was

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Speaker 1: Hardbaugh and Kevin Stefanski, that would be really attractive. And

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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. You saw the first year of

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart better than I thought. Too many blue tent trips.

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Speaker 1: Let's say Stefanski gets the job or Harball. You let

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Speaker 1: him play. And if if he can't get out of

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Speaker 1: the blue tent, and you look at it and think,

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Speaker 1: we got arch Manning coming out, Julian Saym coming out,

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Speaker 1: Dante More coming out, we got it, Jade and Mayava

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Speaker 1: coming out. That doesn't mean you have to stick with

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. You get a runway for him, So you

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Speaker 1: get a competent, young, inexpensive quarterback for a year. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you can't draft another one. Doesn't mean you will,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean you can't. If you give a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback Jackson Dart two years, that's a lot of runway.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of snaps, so the giant job's pretty

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Speaker 1: That all tips off Friday night at eight eastern on

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Speaker 1: Fox without further ado. Jay Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, con let's start with the Ravens.

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Speaker 7: Interesting presser from Steve Bushatti, the Ravens owner, yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Besides the fact that he had too many.

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Speaker 7: Buttons open on his shirt, he spent a lot of

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Speaker 7: time talking about the role Lamar Jackson is going to

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Speaker 7: play in the decision making process for finding a head coach.

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Speaker 1: This surprised me.

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Speaker 9: My decision, I think by Monday was pretty much set,

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Speaker 9: and I think by the time I got off the

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Speaker 9: film with Lamar, I had told him that I think

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Speaker 9: my position was pretty set and that but when I

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Speaker 9: hang up from you, I don't want you to think

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Speaker 9: the decision is ironclad a lot of say, but he

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Speaker 9: has no power.

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Speaker 4: I have the power.

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Speaker 9: They have opinions, and I want them all. I care

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Speaker 9: about my players very much, but I can't give them power.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, what's wrong with that? You don't

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Speaker 1: like that? Lamar has a lot of say in the

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Speaker 1: head coaching job. We didn't even't give them. You have

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Speaker 1: a say in it. But that can't be the deal.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a dangerous place to go. And Steve

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Speaker 1: Bushott he's a lot smarter than me. But if you

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Speaker 1: tell people I want you to have a say, they

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Speaker 1: give you an opinion and you don't hire that person,

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Speaker 1: do you create animosity? So you're better off just saying, listen,

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Speaker 1: we hire the coach, you throw the passes. That's a

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Speaker 1: fine line there that you want to listen to people.

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Speaker 1: But again, who Lamar likes is not you know I.

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Speaker 1: I I just think owners own GMS, GM coaches coach

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Speaker 1: players play. When you cross into that line and you

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Speaker 1: ask a quarterback what you think and you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna put him in of the two

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Speaker 1: or three candidates, But what if you don't choose it?

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Speaker 1: So I largely agree with what you said.

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Speaker 7: I think one of the best examples of this is

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Speaker 7: Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls back in the day.

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Speaker 7: And I know basketball and football a little different, but

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Speaker 7: Michael Jordan had Doug Collins as his coach. He loved

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Speaker 7: Doug Collins. Why Doug Collins said, do whatever you want,

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Speaker 7: score all the points. They didn't win anything. Jordan didn't

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Speaker 7: win a damn thing until the Bulls went and hired

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Speaker 7: Phil Jackson, and many articles at the time said Jordan

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Speaker 7: didn't like Phil Jackson. It was a little prickly, a

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Speaker 7: little different handing out books and stuff. Phil Jackson instituted

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Speaker 7: the triangle offense with text winter they made the jump

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Speaker 7: and Jordan becomes one of the greatest players all time.

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't want to go to my player

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Speaker 1: and say, what would you what do you think? What

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Speaker 1: do you like? It's interesting because Michael Jordan was also,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, an awful general manager. Uh huh, and

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson tried coaching for five minutes. You know he

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Speaker 1: wasn't good at that. I mean, so you know Lebron James,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you know his camp will deny this.

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Speaker 1: They're the ones to push raw Polenka to get Westbrook. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that didn't work. Also, Shabaz Napier in Miami, Lebron was

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Speaker 1: all into that, So, you know, I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: hard enough to be a great player. I mean, Mike

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Speaker 1: Holmgren's one of the best coaches ever. I remember when

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Speaker 1: he was in Seattle. You know, there was reports he

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Speaker 1: had a little say in personnel. Pete Carroll did as well.

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Speaker 1: Belichick bad at personnel. Can't do it college or pro.

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Speaker 1: We know Belichick knows this stuff. So my take is

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Speaker 1: it's hard to jump over into other sectors and other departments.

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Speaker 1: It's hard enough to be a great GM.

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Speaker 7: How did Aaron Rodgers do GMing the Jets when he

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Speaker 7: said can I have this OC and this wide receiver

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Speaker 7: and this player?

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Speaker 1: Like it was access all over? It doesn't work.

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Speaker 7: I think Bishati needs I mean, this is not gonna

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Speaker 7: be an easy one because you know Lamar's kind of

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Speaker 7: I mean, the stories.

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Speaker 1: Are out there about his practice habits.

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Speaker 10: Colin.

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Speaker 7: It's a tough job to phill It's obviously a great job,

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Speaker 7: but we'll see what happens. Let's move on to the

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Speaker 7: Philadelphia Eagles, who have parted ways with Kevin Petullo, the

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Speaker 7: embattled offensive coordinator. He was on the Colts staff with

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Speaker 7: Sirianni and then joined Sirianni in Philly. Jalen Hurts will

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Speaker 7: now have his fifth offensive coordinator since being drafted. Shane

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Speaker 7: Steiken left for the Colts. Has had some success, no

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Speaker 7: playoff trips. Kellen Moore had some success this past year

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Speaker 7: with the Saints and his quarterback, but Brian Johnson disaster.

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Speaker 7: Kevin Petullo a mess. Colin, This should be a coveted job,

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Speaker 7: right this. I mean, you've got a really really stacked team,

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Speaker 7: amazing defense, a lot of pieces on offense.

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Speaker 1: I think AJ Brown will be gone.

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Speaker 6: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: What direction you think this go?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 1: Well, there's I mean, this is again Mike McDaniel. They

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Speaker 1: pay money, They're not cheap in Philly. Mike McDaniel, Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury could work. I think what we what we know

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Speaker 1: is Nick Sirianni. Jason is very reliant on his coordinator mcveighson,

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Speaker 1: and he's not Shanahan's not he Dan Campbell, who's a

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Speaker 1: culture guy. Is Sirianni more of a culture guy, very

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Speaker 1: reliant on coordinators, And so I think Detroit I would

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Speaker 1: immediately put Detroit in a Super Bowl bubble if they

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Speaker 1: went and got Mike McDaniel. Yeah, if they'd get if

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Speaker 1: they you know, I feel like Detroit and Philadelphia are similar,

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Speaker 1: really like the rosters. The coach is a culture guy,

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Speaker 1: not a scheme guy. I like both quarterbacks, Jalen and

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Speaker 1: Goff don't love either, so I think, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's a good time to be an offensive coordinator in

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Speaker 1: this league. There's gonna be some bidding wars for Mike

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Speaker 1: McDaniel and bidding wars for Cliff Kingsbury.

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Speaker 7: And the other problem is, let's say you hire an

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Speaker 7: OC and the Eagles are great again and they go

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Speaker 7: to the Super Bowl. He's lead and for a head

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Speaker 7: coaching job, that's what they do. So honestly, I know

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Speaker 7: the Eagles won't do this. I'm blowing out, Sirianni and

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Speaker 7: I'm bringing in. I think that would be attractive for

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Speaker 7: a Stefanski, McDaniel, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Boh, of course, I doubt that would happen.

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Speaker 7: Final story, Let's go to Minnesota, where JJ McCarthy has

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Speaker 7: been a controversial figure on this show. One of us

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Speaker 7: stands by him, the other the other doesn't think very

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Speaker 7: highly because he can't stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: Here's Kevin O'Connell talking to the media and uh.

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Speaker 7: Oh, sounds like McCarthy is gonna have competition soon.

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Speaker 4: I think there has to be.

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Speaker 10: I think that's what's gonna make everybody better in that room.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be what makes our entire offense, you know,

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Speaker 10: thrive through that competition. I ultimately think that's what will

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Speaker 10: make not only are you know, the starter, but the

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Speaker 10: next guy and the next guy. And we've learned we've

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Speaker 10: got to get a lot of guys ready to play.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, competition.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna revive your Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's not mirrable. Listen, I said I defended Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins in Pennix. I would defend Aaron Rodgers if you

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Speaker 1: have this whole idea of well, it didn't work in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy showed glimpses in the last month. Yeah, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't stay healthy. Aaron showed absolute glimpses. But he's forty

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Speaker 1: two or forty three next year, whatever his birthday is.

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Speaker 1: So I think Minnesota goes into it. I'd have no

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Speaker 1: problem having both McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. None at all,

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Speaker 1: None at all. You don't have to love it, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's something. The one position, I'm okay. The

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Speaker 1: room being a bit crowded. Yeah. Jmack with the.

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Speaker 2: News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by

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Speaker 2: the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Nine coaching openings. That is a That is a lot

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Speaker 1: of coaching openings. I've said before, I think there's some

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Speaker 1: very goods. I think there's nine different people I'd be

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Speaker 1: comfortable hiring. I did not put Marcus Freeman of Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame in there because his campus saying he's not interested.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a tough call. Notre Dame, Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough call. It's very easy to say no

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Speaker 1: to Cleveland and Arizona in Miami. That's easy. Titans. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get off of the Ravens job,

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Speaker 1: the Giants job, the Steelers job, I'm Marcus Freeman, and

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Speaker 1: you sit down with a family. I mean, worse places

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Speaker 1: to live, worse jobs to have than head football coach

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Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's a pretty good job. Hour three.

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Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis