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Speaker 3: All right, thirteen practices in the books. Welcome into the

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Speaker 3: Patriots Training Camp Cast. I'm Mike you So, joined by

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Speaker 3: Evan Lazar and Paul Parillo and guys. We had a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a downshift today as the team gets

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Speaker 3: ready to face the Eagles. We heard from the defensive

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Speaker 3: coaches beforehand. Talked a little bit to them. I think

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Speaker 3: cornerback's probably a position maybe we should talk about just depth.

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Speaker 3: That seems like they're getting, you know, a little banged

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Speaker 3: off our own goal line kind of stuff. Some red

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Speaker 3: zone stuff to me felt like more of the same

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Speaker 3: but you know, continues to kind of be up and down,

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Speaker 3: and you see Demorrio Douglas again. He continues to stand

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Speaker 3: over from Jalen Polk is the most consistent receiver.

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Speaker 4: Polly, I'll let you go first.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think saying that's mostly what we've seen is

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Speaker 2: either direction. It's just we're in that part of training

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Speaker 2: camp now where we have so much data of all

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Speaker 2: the things that we've seen that it would be something

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Speaker 2: pretty crazy that we haven't seen already. If all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden it was like this practice where the offense

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Speaker 2: looks like the oh seven Patriots and they're just lighting

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Speaker 2: it up. We haven't seen that yet. We also haven't

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Speaker 2: the game on Thursday night is how much some of

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Speaker 2: you really going to be all that surprised by that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do think that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 4: I think the defense is sort of sitting on a

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Speaker 4: A screen pass got knocked away today. So yeah, the

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Speaker 4: bigger thing to me is not necessarily about the offensive execution.

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Speaker 2: But they're running the same coverage system, they're coaching the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, those guys will have their hands full tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always where I start with these joint practices.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Pictures on filter will be live during joint practice camp,

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Speaker 3: throughout the practice and then of course we'll come back

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Speaker 3: We're excited to see, though, tomorrow how the Patriots hold

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