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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: It is a Friday. It is the Friday before the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, which also means that the NFL held its

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Speaker 1: UH Honors UH event on Thursday night, and as expected,

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Speaker 1: Matt t J. Watt wins the NFL Defensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year, where got forty two votes out of fifty.

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Speaker 1: Were surprised that he got that many. I didn't do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am a little surprised at that. You do you

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Speaker 1: know where the other votes went? I mean, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's just do that real quick. Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons

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Speaker 1: got five and Aaron Donald got three. They were the

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Speaker 1: people that were voted for. I understand all accounts. I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, and this isn't bashing t J in anyway.

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Speaker 1: A I thought Donald would get Donald would get a

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Speaker 1: bigger portion of the votes. I thought what would win it?

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Speaker 1: But Donald hasn't done anything wrong except for being awesome

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Speaker 1: for too many years in a row. Well, remember too,

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Speaker 1: this is this. You know the vote has taken before

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Speaker 1: you know, the playoffs begin, so, um, you know his

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Speaker 1: team got to the super Bowl obviously. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think if you revoted on that now it might be

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Speaker 1: a little closer. But you know, you only get the

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Speaker 1: vote regular season award though, yeah it is, and you

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Speaker 1: only get the vote for one person. That's the other

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Speaker 1: part of the equation. Um, you know it's it's you

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Speaker 1: know when people talk about, well, such and such quarterback

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Speaker 1: never got an MVP vote. Well, the voters only vote

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Speaker 1: for one guy, so it's not like you vote for

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Speaker 1: the top five one to put that in a better light,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not better right, sorry? You know that like

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Speaker 1: the year Mahomes won it, Let's say there was fifty voters.

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Speaker 1: I think forty nine of them voted from a Homes.

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Speaker 1: So not only did Ben not get an m VV

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Speaker 1: vote or Wilson that year, but no did anybody else

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Speaker 1: except for one guy. You know, Like that happens a

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Speaker 1: lot where it's just a slam dunk and you only

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Speaker 1: get one vote, so you know, no one else is

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Speaker 1: gonna get any votes. You know that's not a good

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Speaker 1: way of looking at a player's career, is boy, he's

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Speaker 1: gotten very few m v P votes in his life

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Speaker 1: because sometimes it's just such an easy vote that everyone

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Speaker 1: picked the same guy. I don't know if you knew

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Speaker 1: this one, Matt, but what became the eighth winner in

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Speaker 1: Steeler's history of the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year award?

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Speaker 1: And they first started handing out that award? I believe

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Speaker 1: in so they've had eight. They've had seven different players

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Speaker 1: win eight. Joe Green won it twice, Mel Blunt, Jack Lambert,

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Speaker 1: Rod Woodson, James Harrison in two thousand eight, Troy Paula

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Speaker 1: mall who in two thousand ten. The next closest team too,

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Speaker 1: that has four. Wow, that's amazing and holy smokes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Blunt was the first corner that ever wanted.

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Speaker 1: It's a rare that a safety wins it. Um. I

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Speaker 1: didn't plan on having this chat with you, but you've

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Speaker 1: been covering this team for so long and so on

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Speaker 1: top of some of these all these players, I just

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Speaker 1: had a really good conversation with Stan Saverign about, you know,

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Speaker 1: Watt's place in Steeler history, you know, and he asked me,

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Speaker 1: if you could pick four linebackers to play the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl with, how would you do that? But where do

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Speaker 1: you think what ranks against Lloyd Green, Harrison, Gilden, Porter,

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Speaker 1: just the three or four outside guys, he's the best.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's number one? All right? I don't

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Speaker 1: even think. I don't even think there should be a

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Speaker 1: conversation based on what he has done. He's gonna he's

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Speaker 1: gonna break the all time the team's all time sack

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Speaker 1: he has seventy two sacks right now, and Harrison's the

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Speaker 1: all time leader with eighty and a half. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: thought Harrison's body of work still stands up against Watson

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Speaker 1: is a conversation. But TJ's twenty eavn and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: go past him. I mean, he's the third fastest player

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Speaker 1: to to to seventy sacks in NFL history, in NFL history, law,

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Speaker 1: Reggie White and his brother are the only two guys

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Speaker 1: who got there faster. And there is no grainer Hall

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Speaker 1: And that's who were comparing him to. Now, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the you know, and if you look at it, of

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Speaker 1: but I think he'll get some consideration at least. What's

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Speaker 1: absolutely are. I mean, knock on wood you know, he

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Speaker 1: just mentioned, if he never plays another down in his life,

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Speaker 1: I actually think and this is amazingly true with Cam

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Speaker 1: Heyward two, which is a different subject, but I think

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Speaker 1: I you know, I personally witnessed Woodson and three Harrison

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Speaker 1: what this year, um, you know, covering each one of

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Speaker 1: those games for that those guys played in Wat's what

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Speaker 1: season was the best of any of those guys? Do

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Speaker 1: have played a couple more games. You know, we're talking

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Speaker 1: if he don't, if he doesn't leave that game against

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Speaker 1: the Raiders early, Remember he left that game at he

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Speaker 1: in that mindset right now. The other games he missed

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Speaker 1: who the opponents are. But I really don't care either.

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Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about it was is oftentimes, and

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Speaker 1: He's an unstoppable force. He's an unstoppable force. And I

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Speaker 1: keep referencing his brother. It's hard not to, but I

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Speaker 1: certainly Highsmith looks very comfortable over there too, of course. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Um to me, it sounds like he's going back to

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Speaker 1: a loser. He can't win playoff game, YadA, YadA, yadda.

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. No, no, not at all. Um. The rest

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Speaker 1: he won the North and that's commendable and way ahead

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Speaker 1: of schedule. But I didn't hear Taylor among Monks Coach

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Speaker 1: That that's something I've heard the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And the votes are already cast. Man. Yeah, right, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the Hall of Fame. That the guys who

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Speaker 1: that goes in. Honestly was surprised at Sam Mills got

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Speaker 1: don't think of him as All of Famer. This sounds

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Speaker 1: And so we'll talk more about the super Bowl, what

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Speaker 1: next segment. He is Matt Williams and I am Dale Laali.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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