1 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie Reese. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: And I'm more in Vocal Bam and today we have 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: an episode for you about Marigolds. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: Yes, oh, I'm so excited. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Is your excitement about Marigolds or is it because this 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: is our May the fourth tie in episode. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: It's both, Okay, it's both, but I am feeling I 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: am feeling some excitement about May the fourth Revenge of 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: the fifth. However, many you want Revenge of the sixth. 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: It keeps going and going. 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: Every day is Star Wars day. When it lives in 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: your heart, it is that is the truth, for it 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: is the truth. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 4: And this. 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: We are coming up on the fortieth anniversary of Return 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: of the Jedi. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Wow, oh that makes me feel old. Yeah that's fine. No, 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: that's that's cool. 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: That's great. 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh. I'm actually going to see it in 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: theaters this weekend. 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: Theaters this weekend. Awesome. 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: And then I'm going to see in part of strikes 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: Back on Me the fourth. Okay, yeah, you're excited. It's 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: all great. I love Return of the Jedi. It was 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: my favorite as a kid. Im Pire strikes Back it's. 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: My favorite now. But the same kid. Return of the 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: Jedi was my favorite. I had like the. 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Indoor kids set, but you have like the logs. 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: That you could swing at the It was very cool. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: You could set up traps and trip the storm troopers. 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: Uh. 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: So when you were asking me about this, about what 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: topic we could do for me the fourth I was like, well, 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: we should do something around Return the Jedi and a 36 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: lot of Return of the Jedi when I think of 37 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: food has to do. 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: With eboks, okay, sure, yeah, yes. 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: So I suggested a couple of things, and edible flowers 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: was where we landed. 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: And then right, and then I chose marigolds in particular 43 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: because they as many flowers are are in the family Astarassier. 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: So there's kind of a star pun in there. 45 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: Also shout out to super producer Andrew's cat Yeah, ad, Yeah, 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: always shout out. 48 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: Yes. So that's how we got here. 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: And if you're listening to this and you're like, wait 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: a minute, I still don't get the Star Wars connection 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: other than ton oh dear, I'm going to try to 52 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: keep this short. After it Returned the Jedi came out 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people. You've probably heard the criticisms didn't 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: like the Ewoks. The Ewoks were definitely like trying to 55 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: sell kids toys. Also, I don't hate them, but people 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: were like, wait. 57 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: A minute, what is this cute thing doing in my 58 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: series film? 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Exactly my serious not for children film, but they people 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: went all in on the Eat Walks. In terms of 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: marketing merchandising, Ewoks has never mentioned. The name is never 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: mentioned in Return of the Jedi. That's really powerful. 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: This marketing is. 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: Whoa that was. 65 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: Right. 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: But they had several spin off movies, some of the 67 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: titles we've already spoofed in our Listener Male episode titles. 68 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: They had a show that has one of the most 69 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: catchy and haunting theme songs I've ever heard, and if 70 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: you've watched Stranger Things the most recent season, then you 71 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: saw snippet of it because they played it. And in 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: that show, which was a cartoon show, the Ewoks were 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: much more like, we eat all these cute fruits and 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: very bright flowers and all that that kind of stuff. 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: It was much less leaning into the We're going to 76 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: eat each your Luke Skywalker and Han Solo and all 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: the Stormtroopers aspect as Return of the Jedi was and 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: it was much more like. 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: The fruits of the forest. 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, they stepped away from them. Well, I guess 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: it's not cannibalism because Ewoks are not people. But sure 82 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: they were definitely ready to roast some stormtroopers and return 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: them with the Jedi. 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: So they were playing. They were using stormtrooper helmets as 85 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: like a xylophone thing. Look, you don't mess with the EBox. 86 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: People are always telling me they're so cute. No, I'm like, 87 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: they will kill you. 88 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: As with other small bear like creatures. Yeah, no, they 89 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: will actually mess you up. 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: Yes they will. 91 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: And also there is a popular I believe it's from 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: the quote Extended Universe, which is pre Disney, but the 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: Ewoks used these flowers, bright flowers to make a very 94 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: very fermented, strong alcoholic drink. Okay, in a bunch of 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: the rebels and you're watching them like yop nub and 96 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: they're drinking. They were drinking that and they were knocked 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: on their asses because it was way too strong for them. 98 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: So the you like, just don't mess with them, That's 99 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 100 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: Ultimately full agree fully, No, yeah, no, notes that is accurate. 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Yes, well with that aside, we are definitely going to 102 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: stretch the ostensibly a food show on this one. Bear 103 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: with us fun, I guess. And yeah, so it turns 104 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: out there was some confusion. I did try really really 105 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 1: hard to stick to common marigolds, which was the original idea, 106 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: and I tried to make note of where I wasn't 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: sure or didn't. 108 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: Didn't because there are different varieties of miracles, right, yeah. 109 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: And they don't specify or even separate them out often. 110 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: Yes, and Annie, I am so sorry. 111 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: I did not mean to cause confusion, especially this level 112 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: of confusion by specifying common marigolds or coleendula. Hopefully I 113 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: can help clarify throughout. 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: And on one of my most sacred of days. 115 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. 116 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I think mild confusion is part of the Star Wars 117 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: universe it. You're right, You're right. Also, I appreciate it. 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure I could have just asked you. 119 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: But I was like, don't let Lauren down. 120 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: Through it exactly. Sorry, you can't. No, don't apologize. We're 121 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: going to get through this together. We will, we will. 122 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: You can see our past episodes on sunflower Dandelions. 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah. 124 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: But I guess this brings us to our question. It 125 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: does marigolds? 126 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: What are they? 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: Well, Marigolds are smallish flowers with petals that are bright 128 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 2: yellow to orange to deep burgundy in color, a fairly 129 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: mild in flavor, which can be peppery to like licorice, 130 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: like to lemony. The variety here is partially because right 131 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: the word marigold is used to refer to flowers into 132 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: Genera Colunngula and to GTAs in species that are edible. 133 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: The flowers and the leaves can be both eaten that 134 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: the leaves will have stronger flavors. The flowers are used 135 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: as a decoration in dishes and desserts, steeped into teas 136 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: as a food dye. The leaves are eaten I think 137 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: mostly fresh and salads or maybe cooked down like like 138 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: dandelion greens might be. From what I've read. Marigolds though, 139 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: are like really mostly there because they're pretty, so so. 140 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: They're like C three Po talk to her. 141 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: That was a weird Droid diss. I actually love Frepo like. 142 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: He's probably the character that I most self associate with, 143 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: which probably says a lot of us I see and 144 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: or no. Actually the evil Protocol droid in the comics 145 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: Trip Triple Zero that's actually because come on, man, evil 146 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: protocol droid. Yeah, he's so good, so good at any rate. 147 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Mara golds, yes, uh, it's it's okay if they're just 148 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: there because they're pretty, because you know, we eat with 149 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: our eyes first, as the saying goes, and they are 150 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: really lovely, just bright and like rippling with all of 151 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: these rich golden colors, like a like a twin sunset 152 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: over the sands of Tattooine. 153 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:06,479 Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, I can hear the music sweeping over me now, oh, John. 154 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Williams, okay, So so both of these genera are in 155 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: the daisy family. Astaasa Colindula contains a couple dozen species. 156 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: Ta gts contains like a couple dozen more than that, 157 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: though some are categorically contested as varieties not true separate species, 158 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: but anyway, colendulas favor more temperate weather and tend to 159 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: look more like daisies with with flatter petals and like 160 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: a visible darker colored center, and t gts favor hotter 161 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: weather and tend to look more like like little pom 162 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: poms with with curlier and or ruffled petals. But like 163 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: I said, there are like a lot of species, so 164 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: none of this is hard and fast. Both gro on 165 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 2: relatively short, like under three feet tall herbaceous plants. The 166 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: the blooms come in colors ranging from off white to 167 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: pale yellow to like brilliant like crayon sun yellow to 168 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: like big bird's beak orange to deep scarlet. Sometimes there's 169 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: a gradient on there. The leaves are deep green and 170 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: varyingly large, and I have seen speaking of varyingly, I've 171 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: seen differing information online about different species edibility. I think 172 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: that generally speaking, Coleendula marigolds are edible and like mild 173 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: to peppery to bitter to tangy in flavor, and to 174 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: GT's species are mostly edible and more musky and pungent, 175 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 2: or have other flavors like licorice or lemon or tangerine. 176 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: When in doubt, ask the internet, or better yet, check 177 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: in with the company and or person who is selling you. 178 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: The seeds are flowers, they will know best. Yeah, yes, 179 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: hopefully fingers crossed, and yeah, the flowers are used like 180 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: however you use flowers fresh or dried, whole or just 181 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: the petals. You can scatter them over salads or other 182 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: dishes from mainz to desserts for like a papa color 183 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: and a little bit of flavor. You can brew them 184 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 2: into teas or drop them into pictures of cold drinks. 185 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: You can batter and fry the flowers whole for a snack. 186 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: You can mix them into baked goods. You can use 187 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: the petals in sauces or grain dishes like paiea to 188 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: create a golden color similar to what saffron in parts. 189 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: Marigold has sometimes been called poor man's saffron. Marigold extracts 190 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: are used as a flavor and I think more oftena 191 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: color in the food and beverage industry and products like 192 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: snacks and jams and jellies, pastries, alcoholic beverages. They show 193 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: up an animal feed, especially for poultry, because that bright 194 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: yellow the carotenoids that marigolds contain will work their way 195 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: into chicken skin and fat and egg yolks. They're also 196 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: used in pharmaceuticals and cosmetics. And there's an idea out 197 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: there that marigolds help repel pests in a garden. This 198 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: is sort of like folk knowledge that I mean I 199 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: grew up with. That's why my grandparents said that they 200 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: planted marigolds in their garden and scientifically speaking, the colendula 201 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: types probably don't. More researchers needed, but the tagts types 202 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: might help determ mammals because they're like bitter and or pungent, 203 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: and a compound in their roots does indeed help prevent 204 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: the growth of tiny worms in the soil that can 205 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: destroy your crops. You just need to plant the marigolds 206 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: like a season before you plant other stuff for it 207 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: to work. But like, generally speaking, more research is needed. 208 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, the flowers are also used extensively to make 209 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: garlands and other decorations for both social and religious functions 210 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: in various cultures around the world. 211 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: Oh yes, we will be talking about some of that. 212 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well what about the nutrition. 213 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: You're probably not eating enough marigold flowers to make that 214 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 2: much of a nutritive difference. But okay, well, also, like 215 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: we're talking about a wide variety of varieties here, so 216 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: your mileage may vary. But generally speaking, marigold extracts are 217 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: being investigated for a number of potential medical uses. They 218 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: have been used in folk medicine forever, and I mean 219 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: the brightly pigmented ones do contain helpful micronutrients that some 220 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: of which act as antioxidants, but savor motto. Yeah, your 221 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: body is complicated. More research is necessary before ingesting a 222 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: medicinal amount of anything. You should check with a doctor 223 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: who is not us, because we are not doctors. 224 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: No, no, nope, Well we have some. 225 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: Numbers for you, we do. 226 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: Marigolds are hugely popular in India and tagts types are 227 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: the third most commercially important flowers that are grown there 228 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: after only roses and chrysanthemum. India produces over two billion 229 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: metric tons of marigolds every year. Who A lot of 230 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: that is for decoration, not food, but yes, houfta. The 231 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: market for the extracts was valued at nearly sixty nine 232 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: million dollars as of twenty twenty two, and growing research 233 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: indicates that this may be like part of the movement 234 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: away from artificial food dies and towards natural ones. There's 235 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: a marigold festival right here in Georgia, over in Winterville. 236 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: I think it's like May thirteenth, like the weekend of 237 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: May thirteenth, so it's coming right up as we're recording this. Anyway, 238 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: It's been running on and off since nineteen seventy one, 239 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: which is when the marigold was adopted as the town's 240 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: symbol because and I quote of its heartiness, versatility and vigor, 241 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: and because it is a symbol of friendship all over 242 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: the world. And I think like the town was really 243 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: struggling at the time, and I think it was a 244 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: symbol of hope. Like the mayor was like, can we 245 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: all get together and plant some marigolds and have like 246 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: a nice time. A newspaper at the time reported that 247 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: ten thousand marigolds were planted in a single day that 248 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: year in anticipation of the festival. Yeah, these days there's 249 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: food and music and a car show, among other attractions. 250 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: Wholesale revenue for the flowers in the US was over 251 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: fifty million dollars a year as of twenty twenty one. 252 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: M hm. Well, the demand for marigolds has gone up 253 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: in recent years, and according to some of the things 254 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: I read, some people speculate that might be in part 255 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: because of the increasing depiction of Dia de los Montos 256 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: in our pop culture, our mainstream pop culture, and things 257 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: like twenty seventeen's Pixar film Coco that came up a lot. 258 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: Marigolds are a big part of that celebration. More on 259 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: that in the history section. 260 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: Yes, and we do have quite a history section for you, 261 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: Yes we do. 262 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: Sorry, no worries. 263 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get through it, but first we 264 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: have a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 265 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: and we're back. 266 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. 267 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so let us embark on this journey. 268 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: Yes, we've got this, okay. 269 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: Common marigolds originally in southern Europe and the Mediterranean, though yes, 270 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: some places that I read put it in Es, Central 271 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: and South America, which I think is classification confusion which 272 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: dogged me throughout this. There's also a lot of murkiness 273 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: around the many types and between how they were classified, 274 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: not even just within the flower family, but like R 275 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: versus flower, a lot going on. 276 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, so yes, many sources do not specify 277 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: and even do confuse which type of marigold they're talking about, 278 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: and to be fair, like historically speaking to people who 279 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: encountered them in different places probably confuse them as well 280 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: because they look real similar. But colendula originated in Europe 281 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: and tagts originated in Central and South America. 282 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all that being said, I did see 283 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: a lot of different explanation of this flower and its origins. 284 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: The story goes that the name is a combination of mary, 285 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: as in the Virgin Mary, and gold, and they were 286 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: what poorer people would give to the Virgin Mary if 287 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: they couldn't afford gold. 288 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, although that name wouldn't have popped up until like 289 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: the late thirteen hundreds. Before then, the flowers may have 290 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: just been called gold in Old English. 291 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice. 292 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: One thing that seems fairly certain is that since ancient 293 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: times common marigolds, a lot of marigolds have been used medicinally. 294 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: For instance, Plenty listed a type of marigold in his 295 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: first century CE work Natural History, and I believe he 296 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: was referring to common marigold. 297 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: Yes, he was. 298 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: Even this species name that we eventually attached to the 299 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: common marigold, the the colindula type. It's colndula officionallis, which 300 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: means that it was sold in shops and indicates that 301 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: it was used medicinally. 302 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 303 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: Yes. Meanwhile, marigolds also have a long history of medicinal 304 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: use in what is now Mexico and Central and South America. 305 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: So again, yeah, pretty high chance it wasn't colon marigold, 306 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: even though I saw some arguments that one way or 307 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: another common marigold did end up in Central and South America, 308 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: even though they have their own natively grown type of marigold. 309 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. 310 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 5: Yeah okay, yes, European colonizers brought colendula over with them 311 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 5: at some point though again yeah, colendula can't stand the 312 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 5: heat like the literal heat as well as the local 313 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 5: American to GT's types. 314 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: Hey yeah, yay, yes, Well anyway, the leaves and flowerheads 315 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: of marigolds in Central and South America and Mexico were 316 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: infused into waters and teas. They were used in this 317 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: medicinal beverage that was prescribed for all kinds of things, 318 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: especially around digestion, pain and inflammation, and to increase lactation 319 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: for those lactating. It was widely used for skin issues 320 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: for insect bites, stings, rashes, and warts. On top of that, 321 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: the leaves were used similarly to how terragon is often 322 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: used in sauces and soups or as you said, in 323 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: the place of saffron to make tea, and possibly was 324 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: even used as an insect repellent. So I guess that 325 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: idea has been around for a long time. 326 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. 327 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: On top of that, some sources indicate that they were 328 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: used as part of ceremonies, rituals as well as ornamentally, 329 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: because they are. 330 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: Going back beautiful quite a long time. 331 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah right. 332 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: By medieval Europe, marigold was regularly prescribed for all kinds 333 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: of things. Fifteenth and sixteenth century herbals regularly featured it. 334 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: John Gerard's fifteen ninety seven Herbal Distinguished Voice said it herbal, 335 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: but herbal probably is correct, you know what I mean, 336 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: distinguished between several types of marigold, while also recommending them 337 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: for a wide variety of things from toothache, red eyes, 338 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: the plague. Yeah. Nicholas Culpepper wrote in sixteen fifty three 339 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: that marigold was a quote herb of the sun and 340 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: under Leo they strengthened the heart exceedingly. Oh okay, yeah, 341 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: at the time they weren't just used medicinally, but yes, 342 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: also in salad's butters. 343 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: I read color butters. 344 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and as a seasoning and 345 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: in addition to tease, which sounds very lovely to me. 346 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: They were also reportedly Shakespeare's favorite flower. I found a whole, 347 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: really detailed article about this, and I love that. I 348 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: found a whole really detailed article. Right, He mentioned marigold's 349 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: in his work six times. Two of those times were 350 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: as an ornamental grave flower and a metaphor for death. 351 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, spooky, yeah yeah, thank you, Lauren. The rest 352 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: of the mentions in his works have to do with 353 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 1: sunrises and sunsets. And here's a quote the marigold that 354 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: goes to bed within the sun and with him rises weeping. Sorry, 355 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm not good at Shakespeare reading Shakespeare with it. 356 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that this is referring to the idea 357 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 2: that the flowers might might kind of close up at 358 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: night and then they reopen in the morning and they're 359 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: wet with morning dew, so they're weeping with the return 360 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: of the sun. 361 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And that's from Winter's Tale, Act four, scene four. 362 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: But they go search out this article because they had 363 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: all the instances. 364 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. 365 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: Later in the Victorian language of flowers, which I love 366 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: talking about every time we get to talk about it, Yes, 367 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: happy marigolds were associated with grieving, loss and despair. And 368 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: yes from this article it claimed that at the time, 369 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm having trouble envisioning this, but at the time, middle 370 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: class folks played this game where one of the party 371 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: goers would be blindfolded and pick a flower from a vase, 372 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: and then the guests would quote read the flower, which 373 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: was thought to indicate the future with this person's future 374 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: both in love and just in general, and if marigold 375 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: was guessed, it was believed to be bad luck. 376 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I'm not sure exactly how it works, but right, yeah, no, no, 377 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: you know, you pick a flower and people are like, 378 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: oh man, you're going to die tomorrow. I'd probably not not, 379 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: but like you're going to be lucky in love, like 380 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: you're going to be like, yes, Scott does like you, 381 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: like you know, whatever it is it is. 382 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, Scott does like you. And marigolds have been 383 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: featured in a lot of art. They are very very 384 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: eye catching. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yes, speaking of because 385 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: they were so pretty. They did spread across the world 386 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: during the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds, and they ended 387 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: up in all kinds of celebrations, including to Wally, which 388 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: again I don't think is a traditional common marigold, and 389 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: in gardens in kitchens all over. 390 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: Yes, you are correct. The types mostly grown in India 391 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: are the heat tolerant to GT's which probably made their 392 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: way over with British or other colonizers around the same 393 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: time that like hot chili peppers did so, yeah, right 394 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: around that time. 395 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yes. 396 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: And quick aside here around loss and the symbolism of marigolds. 397 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: As mentioned, marigolds are very important to Dia de los 398 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: Mertos celebrations, which are held over November first a second 399 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: and despite the lost part, are quite celebratory. According to 400 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: some sources, going all the way back to the Aztecs, 401 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: people in those regions believed that the scent of marigolds 402 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: led your deceased loved ones. 403 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: Back to you for that for those days, Yeah, for 404 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: those days. 405 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: Yes, many who observe Dia de los Mortos believe that 406 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: an altar isn't complete without marigolds. This day has been 407 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: celebrated for centuries by Mexico. It has roots in Aztec 408 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: rituals around Lady of the Dead and the marigolds usually 409 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: used called simpa suchil, which is the as Tech name 410 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: for the type native to Mexico. Add this really festive 411 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: nature with their color and their general beauty. I did see, though, oh, 412 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: conflicting reports about the type of marigold typically used. The 413 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: Simpa suchil. The type that I just mentioned is the 414 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: traditional type that's used, but it is not the common marigold. 415 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: But I think some people do use the common marigold gods. 416 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: Sorry it's okay. 417 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: I have like a really like in lengthened like weepy 418 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: emoji in the outline here. Yeah, okay, so right, you 419 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: are correct. Uh, the GTS types that that are that 420 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: are native to that part of the world are perhaps 421 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: most commonly used, but as the European types made their 422 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: way over. You know, people use what's available, but the 423 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 2: European types are not. Again, as like that strong scent 424 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: is part of part of the afrenda, and so like 425 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: part of what you're looking for is to write, right, 426 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: draw the idea of drawing the souls of the dead 427 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: back to you with these scents and other stimuli. 428 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: So right. 429 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: I will also say about Dia de las Portos that, 430 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: like the older traditions that you were talking about got 431 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: swept up into Catholic like Roman Catholic All Saints and 432 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: All Souls Day, which have created the modern iterations of 433 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: this festival. And like we could do whole separate episodes 434 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: surrounding all of that, Like those afrendas and the candies 435 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: and like pandamorto. 436 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: It's so cool. Oh yeah, I would love to do that. 437 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: I would love to come back to that. 438 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: Sometime around the sixteen to nineteen hundred in England, in 439 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: addition to butter, marigolds may have been used as a 440 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: food dye for cheddar and other cheeses for which yellow 441 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: orange color is a mark of quality, because originally orange 442 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: or yellow color meant that the cows that the cheese 443 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 2: came from were grass fed, which we've talked about extensively 444 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: in our cheese episodes. 445 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we have, which is quite a sentence to say. 446 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: True. 447 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Nonetheless, Leona woodring Smith nineteen seventy three book The Forgotten 448 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Art of Flour Cookery, great title, had a chapter on marigolds, 449 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: including history, symbolism, Emily Dickinson, quotes and recipes. Yes, snacks, soups, 450 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: salads including marigold cucumbers or cucumbers with marigold petals, and 451 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: a simple dressing. Oh yes, all right, yeah, yes, And 452 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: this was from an article from the Atlantic about eating 453 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: marigolds and it was really good, so I suggest it, 454 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: but we're interested. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say a 455 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: lot of the most recent stuff I had was because 456 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: that's the last note we have in this outline. But 457 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the recent stuff I found was more 458 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: about like cultural appropriation around Dia de los Mirtos, but 459 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: also people discovering, like second generation immigrants discovering it and 460 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: feeling more comfortable celebrating it. But kind of how that's 461 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: gotten bigger, I guess, yeah, sure, oh absolutely, m hmm. 462 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would love if any listeners if you 463 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: have recipes using marigolds. They do add just such a pop. 464 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: I saw some pictures of them in salads and I 465 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: was like, it just looks very nice. 466 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh it's a beautiful color and can be 467 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: a really good contrasty color for a lot of other 468 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: different foods. 469 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: So mm hmmm, mm hmmm. And I do like the 470 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: idea of frying them. 471 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: I have to admit, right, anytime that anyone talks about 472 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: fried like like fried squash, blossoms or what I get first, 473 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: But right, I'm just like, yes, fry up some flowers. 474 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: I want to deep fry flowers and then dip them 475 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: in sauce and then eat them. That sounds amazing, Yes, 476 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: Yub Nub Lauren Yub nub Annie. 477 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: The ewowks, they would approve. 478 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: I think, yes, well that is what we have to 479 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: say about marigolds for now it is. 480 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: But we would love to hear from you, and we 481 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: do have some listener mail already prepared for you, which 482 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: we are going to get into as soon as we 483 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: get back from one more quick break for a word 484 00:30:53,640 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you, sponser, Yes, 485 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: thank you, and we're back. 486 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: With just the snuve No. 487 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 3: One of my favorite Return of the Jedi facts is that. 488 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: The song at the end, and if you know, you know, 489 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: George Lucas changed it when it came out in nineteen 490 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: ninety seven, the re release, because he thought the original version, 491 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: the Yubna version. 492 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: Was too childish. 493 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 1: Oh, which it makes me laugh because again they're like 494 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: four kids. I mean they're for everybody, but right, but 495 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: it was literally a ploy to get children to buy toys. 496 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: Not that like the rest of the movies were not 497 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: at the time, but right, like. 498 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: There was, I mean, there's so much. 499 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: They're so good and they're so great and they could 500 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: be given for kids and for everybody. 501 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: But I love that that was his. 502 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: Line where he's like too childish huh. But if you're 503 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: like listening and you don't know what yub nub is, 504 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: then yes, oh yeah, welcome young person. 505 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 506 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 2: It's also still like a like a term of like 507 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: deep celebration. Yeah, among my friends and I, and I'm 508 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 2: sure it is for y'all as well, like if something 509 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: really good happens, like we'll just text each other like 510 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: yeb nub. 511 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: Yes, it's good, it's great. It can also be used 512 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: as a swear. It's a very multi purpose term. 513 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: It is, it is, it is. That's what's so beautiful 514 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 3: about it. Everybody says about yeb nub. I have a 515 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: lot of thoughts about this, as you know. 516 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: Of course, why wouldn't you, I know, right, all right, Well, 517 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: James Rope, first time a long time, and I love 518 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: your informative and delightfully nerdy podcast. The occasional D and 519 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: D or Silent Hill reference always makes me smile. Anyhow, 520 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: during your listener mail on the Harisa episode, you specifically 521 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 1: mentioned wanting more feedback about the practice of putting a 522 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: red hot iron poker into beer, and I'm calling your 523 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: bluff now. I can't speak to whether it's desirable or 524 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: likely for iron flakes to come off in the beer. 525 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: But I can relate some first hand experience at a 526 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: hot beer fest hosted by a local brewery. Aside from 527 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: the gimmickry of hanging out by a campfire and plunging 528 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: a red hot poker into monks of beer, the idea 529 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: is to scorch and caramelize residual sugars in the beer 530 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: to create some complex, sweet and toasty flavors along with 531 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: a pleasantly aromatic and frothy head. It's kind of like 532 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: roasting marshmallows for grown ups, although that's a wonderful practice too, 533 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: with or without a beer accompaniment. Inspired by the festival, 534 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: I commissioned a friend of mine to craft me a 535 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: hot beer poker in his forge. After my first attempt 536 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: at a hot beer by my fireplace, I will rest 537 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: the value of having a separate vessel of water on 538 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: hand to rinse the hot poker before putting it into 539 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: the beer. Oh yeah, While iron flakes might be desired 540 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: by some, I doubt anyone seeks fresh ash floating in 541 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: there otherwise heavenly frothy and marshmallowy beer. I found that 542 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: heating the poker on the stovetop instead streamlines things a bit, 543 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: but that feels like a cheat and lacks any charm 544 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: of the antiquated fireside process. 545 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: This is so cool, right. 546 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: Okay a A. 547 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: We are never bluffing about wanting more information about stuff 548 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: like this, never ever ever. 549 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 3: B it's so cool that you have a friend with 550 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 3: a forge. Yes, that's very star Wars. 551 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: That's great. Yes, and right see, oh this is so 552 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 2: this sounds so cool. Thank you for the detail of 553 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: like how it does. 554 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 3: That's terrific. 555 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: Yes, yes that I mean it makes sense in that 556 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: way where I'm like, I could also hear another point 557 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: and be convinced it doesn't make sense, but to me 558 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: it makes sense that it would give it that those 559 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: kind of flavors. 560 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly film up Yeah. 561 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but I love that you. Yeah, you got 562 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: a hot a poker commission specifically for this you ransom test. 563 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 3: You have some tips. 564 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: It's great. 565 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: Oh oh heck, now I need a beer poker. 566 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: Obviously, right, what are we even doing? What's even going 567 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: on here? 568 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 2: There are there are some local forges around Atlanta that 569 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: like you can go like like take classes at so M. 570 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we could go make 571 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 2: beer pokers. 572 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 3: I feel like we could. 573 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: I also feel like both you and I are easily 574 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: startled and might make mistakes, but that's okay. 575 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and slightly accident brown like like the newspaper headlines 576 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: would be like two podcast hosts accidentally killed in freak forge. 577 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah accident, yeah, yeah, that feels about right. 578 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, no oh dear okay uh. 579 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: Andrea wrote, after experiencing the delicious dish in a restaurant, 580 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: my family adopted a new expression, where did my phone go? 581 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: Which means where did my phone go? These words are 582 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 2: said multiple times a day as we searched the house 583 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 2: for that tiny apparatus. 584 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. 585 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: It adds a nice fun flare on what can be 586 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: a very upsetting time where you don't know where your 587 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: your phone did go? 588 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 2: Sure yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I tend to. I tend 589 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: to saying the Lizzo song to myself, but sure yeah. 590 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: Also this also works. Yeah, yes, they're multiple ways. 591 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 3: You know. 592 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 2: You gotta make it fun, though, Yeah, you gotta make 593 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 2: it fun. 594 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: And I do love this. 595 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: I love the idea of thinking of my fungo multiple 596 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: times a day. 597 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 3: It sounds nice, right, oh right? Crating? 598 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well, happy May the fourth. May the Force 599 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: be with you. Oh yes, yes, and thank you to 600 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: both of these listeners for writing it. If you would 601 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: like to write to us, you can. 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