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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's me Your Man, nam G.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant still masking and socially distancing and partially vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: Although like yes, before I started the show, the CDC

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Speaker 1: release new guidelines, so maybe we don't have to be

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Speaker 1: as masked as often he does. To find a new intro,

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Speaker 1: tom me up soon. We'll figure that one out later.

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Speaker 1: That is a That is a conversation for another time.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, Welcome to another edition of the show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we will continue, we will wrap up our draft preview.

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Speaker 1: Mat Okada is with us as he has been for

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Producer Steve with us as well,

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Speaker 1: so we got plenty to talk about. Matt Um. This

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Speaker 1: is great. We are finally we are. As we sit

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Speaker 1: here and record this, we are a little more than

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours away from the start of the draft.

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Speaker 1: It is exciting. I think for me at least, it's

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Speaker 1: also a little bit of a relief because I think

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week. I'm I'm over draft takes.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm over them, so I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: getting this going. But forty eight hours out, how you

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Speaker 1: say there's also a little bit of the well, this

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Speaker 1: that we like that some teams are gonna dash because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna wish we could come back to this time

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Speaker 1: But but there's there'll be some exciting ones too, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully those will balance out. Yeah, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: at this moment, like everybody is right right, like no one,

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Speaker 1: this turned out to be okay, So we will see.

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Speaker 1: But we have been going along position by position. Last

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Speaker 1: is so deep. So today we're gonna do part two. Uh.

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Speaker 1: These are guys that maybe in redraft leagues won't have

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be one to pay attention to. Hey, look,

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Speaker 1: So these are names that you will definitely want to

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to figure out, Matt, is what happened

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Speaker 1: if anything, that the Patriots seemed more likely to trade

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Speaker 1: I think that will be really interesting. Once all these

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Speaker 1: The rest of these are guys that will kind of

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys that you mentioned last week at

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Speaker 1: start with Ron Dale Moore. Uh, you know, just kind

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Speaker 1: I mean I remember when they had their pro day

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Speaker 1: Matt Harmon made the point that, you know what, for

431
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Speaker 1: despite the fact that he's sort of been underwhelming, Equanimius

432
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: has done a good job at least hanging around the

433
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Speaker 1: Packers roster and doing just enough to kind of stay there.

434
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what his brother has in store wherever

435
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Speaker 1: he lands in the draft. So, speaking of children of

436
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Speaker 1: former professional athletes, A Mari Rodgers, whose father is T Martin,

437
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Speaker 1: who obviously played at the University of Tennessee was in

438
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Speaker 1: the NFL for a moment um. Mari had a good

439
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Speaker 1: career at Limson was did a lot of work in

440
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Speaker 1: the slot there though when he was playing at Clemson.

441
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Speaker 1: Do you see him as a guy who can move

442
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Speaker 1: to the outside and be successful in the NFL. I

443
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Speaker 1: think probably he can and be successful to a degree, yes,

444
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Speaker 1: But I do think that the slot would be ideal

445
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Speaker 1: for him because he's best in the short and intermediate

446
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: area by a lot, and it's a little bit easier

447
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: to be involved and get open in the shorten intermediate

448
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: area when you're coming out of the slot. If he

449
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: was more of a downfield threat, I would maybe be

450
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: more interested in putting money outside, but I don't really

451
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Speaker 1: see that. That being said, and I'll go back to

452
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Speaker 1: release when you're talking about being an outside receiver. If

453
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Speaker 1: you can release well, especially against press man coverage, then

454
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 1: I believe you can probably succeed on the outside. And

455
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: he was very good at that. He has very good footwork,

456
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Speaker 1: a lot of athletic ability and explosiveness that I saw

457
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Speaker 1: on tape consistently, and I think that that means he

458
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: can win on the outside if they put him there.

459
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Speaker 1: That being said, he struggles on vertical routes. I saw

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Speaker 1: poor technique. He looked unbalanced. He doesn't get leverage against

461
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Speaker 1: corners easily. On vertical routes. He showed some good ability

462
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: and like at the catch point downfield, but getting to

463
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: that catch point, I saw a lot of issues. So

464
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever going to be a vertical

465
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: outside receiver or consistently are commonly doing that. But if

466
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Speaker 1: he's put on the outside to run a lot of

467
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Speaker 1: crossing routes, or if he's put in the slot, I

468
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: think he can win. We're pretty well either of those ways,

469
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Speaker 1: and I like him a lot if he goes to

470
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Speaker 1: those kind of situations. The other thing that kind of

471
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: keeps showing up and scaring reports is an issue with

472
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Speaker 1: just drops occasionally. I know when we talked, you were

473
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Speaker 1: sort of you know drops can be a problem, but

474
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Speaker 1: you know you don't wait it too heavily. I mean,

475
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Speaker 1: in this situation, do you look at that as potentially

476
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Speaker 1: a problem or is it something that can sort of

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Speaker 1: be overcome with work, um not not for Rogers. Sometimes

478
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: it will be an issue that that all make note of.

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Speaker 1: But with him, except for a couple of drops on

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Speaker 1: deeper balls that look like hands issues. The other drops

481
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Speaker 1: I saw on tape seemed to be more concentration drops,

482
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Speaker 1: and I feel like those just come and go based

483
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Speaker 1: off a season of life that are receivers in honestly,

484
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 1: we'll see it happened in the NFL that a guy

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Speaker 1: will be a drop machine one year and then the

486
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Speaker 1: next year he won't. And what I did see consistently

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Speaker 1: with Rogers was excellent strong hands, especially in the short

488
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Speaker 1: and intermediate area like I mentioned, where he succeeds. He

489
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Speaker 1: would snag Cam Newton ask bullets out of the air

490
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Speaker 1: from Trevor Lawrence that I was like, WHOA, I expected

491
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Speaker 1: that ball to bounce off your hands, and he came

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Speaker 1: down with it. So I really trust his hands. And

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Speaker 1: I think any drop issues that came from, you know,

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Speaker 1: concentration or turning upfield before you have the ball, I

495
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Speaker 1: think that that kind of stuff will just kind of

496
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Speaker 1: fade away or be coached out, typically with the receivers,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not too concerned. So that that seems like

498
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Speaker 1: a really good segue from Amari Rodgers to Thayland Wallace,

499
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Speaker 1: who seems to sort of be on the other end

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Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Right where people sort of talk about

501
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Speaker 1: him not necessarily being a great separator getting away from

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Speaker 1: defensive backs, but everybody talks about how great and how

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Speaker 1: strong his hands are. Um, you know, I know that.

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Speaker 1: You know when you talk about this, there is a

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Speaker 1: kind of a cocktail of things it takes to really

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Speaker 1: stand out as a receiver. But knowing that maybe he's

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Speaker 1: not a great separator, do you look at him and say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, his strong hands can sort of make

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Speaker 1: up for that will help him in the contested catch area.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, here's the thing with Tyland Wallace. His hands alone,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they quite make up for it.

512
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Speaker 1: And I will say from from in terms of his separation,

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Speaker 1: primarily where he lacks is that foot quickness and that

514
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Speaker 1: cutting ability in shorter routes, cross or routes. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to Stefon Diggs or Keenan Allen you as a

516
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Speaker 1: dB in order to win in that in that area.

517
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Speaker 1: But I do think he does well route running in

518
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Speaker 1: vertical routes. And that might may sound a little bit

519
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Speaker 1: more curious to listeners because a vertical route you just

520
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Speaker 1: feel like you're running straight. Not true. There's a lot

521
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: of nuance to that. There's where you attack the defensive

522
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: back as you're heading up field, trying to stack that

523
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: defender and create leverage for yourself, head fakes and things

524
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: like that to push them off balance. The way you

525
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Speaker 1: take angles going on your vertical routes, whether it's just

526
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: a streak or whether you're running a post or a corner,

527
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: it really matters to where you're gonna get open on

528
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Speaker 1: that route, whether you're going to get past that defender

529
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Speaker 1: or if you're coming back, how far you're gonna throw

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Speaker 1: them off. And I see a lot of ability with

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Speaker 1: Tylan Wallacey in those areas of his route running. So

532
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Speaker 1: he's not Stefon Diggs, no, but he does have some skill.

533
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Speaker 1: And then back to the original question of whether his

534
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Speaker 1: hands just make up for that what he does lack,

535
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: maybe not quite, but everything else that he does, in

536
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: my opinion, will make up for that. His like I

537
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: just mentioned, his vertical route running technique, his hops, He

538
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Speaker 1: has the best hops in this class, no question. He

539
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: will jump over anybody and he's not even that tall,

540
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: but he will jump over anyone to make a catch,

541
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Speaker 1: especially in the end zone. Consistent contested catchability which makes

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00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: that red zone threat even greater. The circus catches we

543
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: just talked about the Odell Beckham stuff, Well, hawk On,

544
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't play like Odell Beckham and make incredible

545
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: catches and blow my mind. That stuff does apply with

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Speaker 1: Tyland Wallace. He is unbelievable downfield. Watching his table was

547
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Speaker 1: some of the most fun I had this entire and

548
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: probably actually was the most fun I hadn't watching a

549
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: receiver this year. He is incredible receiver at the catch point,

550
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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of that will make up

551
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Speaker 1: for what he lacks in the Stefon Diggs esque route

552
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: running part of his game. So this is this is

553
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Speaker 1: sort of a glass half full, glass half empty sort

554
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 1: of question here when when you were what what when

555
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: you were watching him? What was more notable to you?

556
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: You know what? What did you make more notes of

557
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: the spectacular circus catches that you talked about for the

558
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: occasional focus drops, like everybody sort of has them at

559
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Speaker 1: some point. Um it is I feel like this is

560
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Speaker 1: more of a are you an optimist about him? Are

561
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Speaker 1: you a pessimist about him? Which of those two into

562
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: the spectrum you caught your attention more well? To answer

563
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: your question, very simply I just have to say I'm

564
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Speaker 1: an optimist about him because I love him. In fact,

565
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: in my notes, in my scouting notes, which is for

566
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: for every player I have, is all you know, scout ease,

567
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: just nonsensical stuff about leverage and release and all this stuff.

568
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: My first noting about Tayland Wallace is just in all

569
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: caps love him. So so I'm an optimist about Tyland Wallace,

570
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: but specifically on this issue, I think both of those

571
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: things have to be taken to a degree with a

572
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: grain of salt. And this is the case across you know,

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Speaker 1: these kinds of attributes with any receiver, um because their

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Speaker 1: outlier events. Right, You're he's not dropping the ball every play.

575
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: He's certainly not dropping the ball consistently in terms of

576
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: half the time or even maybe a fifth of the time.

577
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it's every once in a while. You see this

578
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: and you wonder if it's an issue. He's also not

579
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: making Odell Beckham ask jumping over a defensive back catches

580
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: consistently all the time every play, but he does it often,

581
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: and so their outlier events. So which one fits up

582
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Speaker 1: with what I see from him as a player overall,

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Speaker 1: and what I think he was going to be at

584
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Speaker 1: the NFL level. And for me, if this was a

585
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty target slot receiver right who we expect

586
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: to get peppered with with targets and and he had

587
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: drop issues, that would be a big concern for me.

588
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: But that's not what I see Thailand Wallace doing. I

589
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: see him being a seventy catch, hundred hundred ten target

590
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: probably guy who's doing most of his work down field,

591
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: winning in the red zone, making contested catches. And where

592
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I see the spectacular catchability fit in is with that,

593
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: with that portion of his game where I see him

594
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Speaker 1: being used in the NFL. And So while both are

595
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: are important and impactful, both of spectacular catches and the

596
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: focus drops, I think that the and that plays into

597
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: and impacts his his game more is those spectacular catches

598
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: because that's what he's gonna be asked to do at

599
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: the NFL level, whereas the drops won't matter as much

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Speaker 1: to what he will be doing. I think we'll see

601
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Speaker 1: if an NFL team wants to do the same, but

602
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: that's what I see him doing. Uh, real quick, do

603
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Speaker 1: you have any special phrases or anything that you use

604
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Speaker 1: in your your Book of Scout ease that you're really

605
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: to share special phrases, the ocata is ms maybe that

606
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: are in that in that scout book. Okada is ms?

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00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: I would say no, Okada is ms, mainly because especially

608
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: with receivers, I had my my scouting ease coached into me.

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00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: Uh and so everything you see is except for Tayland

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Speaker 1: Wallace love him. Oh okay, you know what, that's not true.

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Speaker 1: There are some times where I'll put some analogies then

612
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: that are definitely ocada ease. I'll try to find an

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Speaker 1: example if I can, maybe what you're what you're team

614
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: up a question, but but I'll compare someone to someone else.

615
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: I know one, I'll go find the exact wording when

616
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: you asked the next question. Okay, yeah, no, it's funny

617
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: because I so my buddy texted me today and our

618
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: group chat was like, what are some of the draft

619
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: terms scouting terms that you love? And like, you know,

620
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: I always love stuff like you know, a guy is

621
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: a heavy legged waist bender or sand did his pants

622
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: or something like that, like all these these things that

623
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: like outside of football scouting context sound bizarre and maybe

624
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of scene. Um, but you know, when

625
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: you talk to football people about them. They sound the

626
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: sounds semi normal, uh, and may makes sense in our weird,

627
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: weird world. I don't think I have any heavy legged

628
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: knee benders in here, but I will say I found

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Speaker 1: the one I was thinking of. I was talking about

630
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Speaker 1: justin fields, and I'll do this sometimes when I'll compare

631
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: them to other players, and I said, he's willing as

632
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: a runner, willing to slide, unlike some people whose names

633
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: rhyme with flever. And I'll do that often to assass

634
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: another player in the draft. In case you're wondering who

635
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: that is, that's Trevor Lawrence, who not mine. And it

636
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: concerns me. All sometimes poke fun at other players. Uh,

637
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: in my scouting notes. That's funny. Yes, Steve had a

638
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: good one to saying a guy's a butt slapper, a

639
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: defensive player who doesn't make tackles but gets close enough

640
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: to to slap a butt, which, again, outside of football,

641
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: that sounds like something that can get you arrested for assault. Um,

642
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: But within football circles, uh, it makes sense. It's the

643
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: thing people talk about. Um. All right, let's talk about

644
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Speaker 1: Nico Collins, who you know, depending on I feel like

645
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: his his evaluation in his ranking sort of fluctuates a

646
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: lot depending on on who you're talking to or who

647
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: you're reading. Um. He is one of the bigger receivers

648
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: though in this draft, and I think we talked about

649
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: it last week and overall this is sort of an

650
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: undersized class physically, Like we don't have a lot of

651
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: big body guys out there. Nico Collins is one of them.

652
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: Uh Can he be more though than just sort of

653
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: a big body downfield Devin funcious type target in the

654
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: NFL to a degree, I would say he can, but

655
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: not a top end, reliable fantasy degree. I think that

656
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: this will be primarily what he gets uh stuck doing,

657
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: is this kind of big body downfield. Devon Fungus is

658
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: actually maybe offensive but pretty good cop. If you're Nico Collins,

659
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to be compared to Devon Fungus. But

660
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: but you know, the strength I saw with him are

661
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: all that kind of things. He has excellent contested catchability.

662
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: He adjust the ball well, adjusted the ball well in

663
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: the area, has very strong hands. He seems to kind

664
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: of float on those jump ball uh plays, which is

665
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: something you'd like to see. Um, he's a long strider,

666
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: so he gets downfield, kind of surprisingly quick, but he's

667
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily a super speedy yak yards after catch receiver UM.

668
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: And he has good ball tracking and good sign line

669
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: catch awareness. All things that you want to see with

670
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, a Devon Funchis or if you want to be,

671
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of a Mike Evans type of role, but all

672
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: the stuff you want to see with winning over the middle,

673
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: winning in the short area, PPR stud kind of guy,

674
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the ability to separate versus off coverage UM, the ability

675
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: to win over the middle, to be tough over the

676
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: middle kind of like we talked about with ron Dale Moore, uh,

677
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: and to come down with passes that you might have

678
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: some fear of making because they're tougher when you're you're

679
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: catching across the middle. I did not see that stuff

680
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: with Nico Colin. So I do think he gets kind

681
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: of pigeonholed into that contest contested catchdown field role, the

682
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: big bodied role, and I think that's probably best for

683
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: him to do that, but I do think it limits

684
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: his fantasy upside. Yeah, I thought immediately about Mike Evans,

685
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: but I felt like Mike Evans might be too dynamic

686
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, it's better or worse if

687
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: I say, Kelvin Benjamin is that. I don't know that's

688
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: not good either. I don't know if that's better or

689
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: worse if I if I went that direction with it.

690
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I got the feeling that he's

691
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: going to be you know what, I what I imagine

692
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: for Nico Collins, and he might end up being that

693
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: guy who go somewhere and it's sort of that red

694
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: zone target, um, you know, or that end zone target

695
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: that is productive enough that you sort of have to

696
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: pay attention to him, but not productive enough that you

697
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: feel confident, you know, drafting him or having him in

698
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: your lineup. Um that in the Indians of sort of

699
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: being that guy that you know more often than he

700
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: just sort of takes opportunities away from your guy that's

701
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: probably on the same team that you want to score touchdowns.

702
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm interested to see kind of how that goes.

703
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Um that gets us too. I put these guys back

704
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: to back, a pair of guys from North Carolina, and

705
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: several weeks ago we talked about running backs. We talked

706
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: about their two guys in Javonte Williams and Michael Carter.

707
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: They got a pair of wide receivers that you know

708
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: are likely to get drafted over the next few days.

709
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: The first one is Diami Brown, who had back to

710
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: back thousand yards seasons the last couple of years. Really

711
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: sort of a big play guy. And the one thing

712
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people have said about him is just

713
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: sort of his inconsistency, uh kind of from from week

714
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: to week, is he is he destined to kind of

715
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: be a best ball guy. I know it's always like

716
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: a cop out when we say that about a player, like, oh,

717
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: he's a good best ball guy. But I feel like

718
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: when I I read him a little bit, I watched

719
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: about him, everything about him screamed as though he's going

720
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: to be a best ball darling one of these days. Yeah,

721
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I I lean into that, I would say pretty heavily.

722
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: My camp for him was another Brown, John Brown. And

723
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: to be fair, like when John Brown has gotten maybe

724
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: one year, one or two year, has gotten a heavy

725
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: target load, he's been a little bit more than a

726
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: best ball darling. I think he's kind of squeaked into that.

727
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: Why is he over two three? Flexious? Flexhiit flexish, that's

728
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: hard to say, sort of role that could be the

729
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: upper end for Diamy Brown, but I think most most likely, yes,

730
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: he will be more of a best ball darling, more

731
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: of a deep ball UH speed guy, because that's just

732
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: how he wins. He's got a ton of Furst and speed,

733
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: elite ball tracking ability downfield, which is why he's so

734
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: good on those deep balls. Most of the time that

735
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: he wins, it's it's uh when it's not a nine route,

736
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: when it's not just freaking down the field, it's a

737
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: comeback route where he's running as if he's drinking down

738
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: the field and then he's coming back. All the other

739
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: stuff that you like to see in the route tree

740
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: from receiver, the crossing routes that digs INDs, the outs um,

741
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: I didn't really see much of that. I didn't really

742
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: see him win much in those routes uh Fordomy Brown.

743
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: And he plays small, which he is small ish, but

744
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: he plays smaller I think than he even is. And

745
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the surest hands either. So a lot

746
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: of those skills that I just said he doesn't have

747
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: are what we want to see with PPR studs, with

748
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: guys who are you know, getting into the upper wide

749
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: receiver two tier who win with route running in hands

750
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: and having a full route tree. I did not see

751
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: a lot of that with Dami Brown, So I think

752
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: he could be very good at the best ball darling,

753
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: John Brown, Roll and John Brown you want to draft

754
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: in your redraft leagues. So you know, he's still valuable

755
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: even if he's the best ball darling. That could be

756
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: what we see with Dammy Brown too, But I don't

757
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: think he's a guy who's ever going to be a

758
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: high end wide receiver two necessarily, So then his teammate

759
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Dads Newsome, uh, you know, didn't necessarily have the same

760
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: kind of numbers last year two years ago when he

761
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: was a junior, did have a thousand yards season. Uh,

762
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: tim receiving touchdowns that year and one uh Diami and

763
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: Daz sounds like, you know, actually kind of a cool

764
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: band name, to be honest um. But watching him, you know,

765
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: I know that he did a lot of work sort

766
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: of as a punt and kick returner when he was there,

767
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: and that was a lot of his value to that team.

768
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: But also sort of watching him, and maybe this applies

769
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: to Brown as well, how much do you think these

770
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: guys were sort of stifled by the fact that the

771
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: Targiels had a really good running game. I mean you

772
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: could turn around and hand the ball to Williams or

773
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: Carter and your offense would flow pretty well from there.

774
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that had an impact on these

775
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: guys in terms of their targets, their production, just knowing

776
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: that that the have to share a lot of time

777
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: with two good running backs. There I do, but not

778
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: on these guys plural. And here's why. Deonny Brown's skill

779
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: set and the way that he wins, I think it's

780
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: actually improved and highlighted by a good run game. When

781
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: you're a downfield receiver and the defense is forced to

782
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: come up because of the run game you have, that's

783
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna help you usually, And so that's why we see

784
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL teams that have good run games

785
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: have also have great play action games and deep threats.

786
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: It kind of works hand in hand to a degree.

787
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: Dad's Newsome. On the other hand, everything I talked about

788
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: Doomy Brown not having that makes you that good shorter

789
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: area PPR guy DA's Newsome has. But he's the kind

790
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: of guy who's going to thrive on a team where

791
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the run game is the short pass game. Right. We

792
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: see this in the NFL. Good amount um and that

793
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: was not North Carolina because they had two great running backs.

794
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: So I do think that it's stifled Dad's Newsome a

795
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: little bit and a lot more than it's stifled Doomy

796
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: brown It. I really like Das Newsome because of that

797
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: that skill set. If he goes to a place an

798
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: NFL team where that is the case, where they are

799
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: more of a run through the past kind of team

800
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: like we make like for example, we've seen the Detroit

801
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: Lions for a long time. Um the opposite of the Ravens.

802
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: If Daz Newson went to the Ravens, just scratch it off,

803
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: not even drafting him. But if he goes somewhere where

804
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: he has PPR upside because they're gonna pepper their short

805
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: area receivers with targets, I really like him. A great

806
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: separator in the short intermediate area. Like I said, he's

807
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: an he has excellent yards after catchability with nasty juke

808
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of agility, a lot of quick speed.

809
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: He's very strong and unafraid at the catchpoint over the middle,

810
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: which I mentioned lacking with some other guys recently, and

811
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: that really takes away from your ability to be that

812
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: slot receiver. Or short area receiver who is getting a

813
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: lot of that PPR work. He's the guy that I

814
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: could see being a third down star in the NFL level.

815
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: And he does have a large round tree as well,

816
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: so I think he can do everything. In fact, I'm

817
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: pretty sure I have Danny Brown raked the spot above No.

818
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: DA's Newsome in my rookie rankings right now, and after

819
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, I think I might have to switch

820
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: it up. I do really like Das Newsome as a

821
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: well random player. I think both of these guys their

822
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: landing spot will be important, and Dads maybe more because

823
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: if he goes one of those places where we say

824
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: they don't have a strong run game, but they've got

825
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: a good short area quarterback, and I think they're gonna

826
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: maybe the Dads has a chance to maybe be a

827
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty target guy down the line because of that,

828
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: even if it's you know, four yards downfield that he's

829
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: getting targeted consistently, he could be very, very productive. I

830
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching Dazz Newsome. I did get to watch him

831
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: a little bit when I when I wasn't being distracted

832
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: by Javon Say Williams taking the football and running down

833
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: the field with it. But I did think that he

834
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: can go somewhere and sort of be a little bit

835
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: of a Swiss Army knife for somebody, you know. I mean,

836
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: obviously he has these skills as a punt and kick returner,

837
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: which I know that doesn't get you fantasy points, but

838
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: it is I think sort of crucial for guys. I

839
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: think guys especially drafted later, to be able to get

840
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: on the field and to make an impact. Um, you know,

841
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: you see it all the time, you know, you watch

842
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: hard knocks and you hear about you know, the more

843
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: you can do, the more things you can do. If

844
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: you can play special teams, Uh, teams will find a

845
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: spot for you and they will find a way to

846
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: get you on the field. So I think that could

847
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: potentially help. But again, all the things you mentioned, his

848
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: his ability in these short areas to be successful and

849
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: to win there could really make him kind of an interesting,

850
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: interesting prospect somewhere down the line. And it was nice

851
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: to hear you say you kind of talk to yourself

852
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: through uh A rankings change. So uh, it happens. People

853
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: everybody changes their mind. Oh yeah, it will probably happen

854
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: again before the draft in two days and then it

855
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: will happen a ton after that, but a lot after that, exactly. Um.

856
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: All right, So the last name that I got here

857
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: is Seth Williams from Auburn and another sort of bigger

858
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: bodied receiver about six three, looks like two ten to eleven,

859
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: uh somewhere around there. Never had any huge seasons when

860
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: he was at Auburn. I think some of that might

861
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: have had to do with just the pieces sort of

862
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: around him there. For you, when you watched him, what

863
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: things did you take away from his game? Primarily that

864
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: he can be a red zone star. That is where

865
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: he'll win certainly, and hopefully it's a little bit more

866
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: than the Nico Collins version that we just talked about,

867
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: where that's pretty much all he can do, and I

868
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: do have him ranked slightly higher than Nico Collins right now.

869
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: But the elite hands to pluck the ball away from

870
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: his body on contested catches, on jump balls, contorting his

871
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: body to make those catches downfield, coming down with big plays,

872
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: especially in the end zone. That was Seth Williams to me,

873
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: That's what I saw, and take very good high pointing ability,

874
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: which is ability to time your jump to get the

875
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: ball at the second that it gets to your location

876
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: where if you can do that better than the dB,

877
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: you're usually gonna come down with the ball. That's how

878
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins made that famous hail Mayer hailman he catch

879
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: this last season. He high pointed that ball better than

880
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: the four defenders that were around him, and that's how

881
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: he came down with it. Um Seth Williams also has

882
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: a very large catch radius and he's big. Like you mentioned,

883
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: six three to eleven. I mean I should say he's

884
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: big for this class because six three to eleven it's decent,

885
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily big big. But for this class

886
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: that's huge because this is a very small class. So

887
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: a team, if an FL NFL team is looking for

888
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: a red zone threat, kind of more of a downfield guy,

889
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: I think Seth Williams could definitely fit that mold. Is

890
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: he gonna be a wide receiver one or even a

891
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver two for fantasy? Probably not? But could he

892
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: be a seven or eight touchdown guys some years with

893
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards maybe? So I think he's he's decent.

894
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Um any other names because we've we've gone through you know,

895
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: a ton and I think we had you know, eight

896
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: seven eight names last week. We got another eight names

897
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: here this week. Anybody else out there though, for for

898
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: those Dynasty folks and the debbie folks or anybody just

899
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: looking to get an edge that you are you're sort

900
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: of tracking maybe kind of you know guys who might

901
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: be third day guys who are worth knowing. Yeah, I've

902
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: got I've got a few for you actually, Um, I'll

903
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: just hit on them real click and kind of what

904
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: what they are, what you can look for with them.

905
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: Sage Sarat out of wake Forest, He's kind of des briantish,

906
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: That's what I consistently thought. I found myself thinking watching

907
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: him on tape. He's six three to fifteen. So another

908
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: one of these big guys were bigger guys, Um, maybe

909
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: the guy's team, the guy that teams will go for

910
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: if they need that big boy red zone threat on

911
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: day three or four, like we just mentioned. Even with

912
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: Seth Williams, he's another guy that could fit that role

913
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: and actually have him ranked higher than Seth Williams. So

914
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: in fact, I think of these three guys who've talked

915
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: about Nico Colins, Seth Williams, and Sage Sarat, I have

916
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: Sarat the highest. Yeah, that's true. So so he's my

917
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: favorite of these specifically red zony big body guys that

918
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: aren't in my top like twelve rookie wide receivers Um

919
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: and then Tamri and Terry out of Florida's eight really

920
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: good size speed combo six four two tens. So apparently

921
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: all the big guys aren't good anymore because they're all

922
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: falling down here. But but he has rather than just

923
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: being that red zone threat the jump ball guy, he

924
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: has a lot of explosiveness, UM and speed that I

925
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: think could make him a little bit more than some

926
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: of those guys we just talked about. Uh. In fact,

927
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: he his physicality kind of I saw him struggling in

928
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: contested catch jump all situations that might make him less

929
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: desirable as a red zone threat. So he's a bigger

930
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: guy that if you want a size speed combo, maybe

931
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: you're looking at Tomri and Terry as an NFL team

932
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: for fantasy. You just want to know if you can

933
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: score points. I think he can. Um. I like him

934
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: a decent bit. And then the last one I'll throwout

935
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: is Shy Smith Um out of South Carolina, and he's

936
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: kind of in the same range as these last few

937
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: guys we've talked about for me and my rankings, but

938
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: very different from from the guys we just talked about.

939
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: He is a route runner, excellent route runner, extremely quick,

940
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: snappy in his routes, more of that stuff. Fun Diggs

941
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: keenan Allen type of receiver and has superb hands. So

942
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: I think he could be a great short area receiver

943
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: that third down kind of roll again, maybe a slot guy.

944
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: Look to see where he goes and and if he

945
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: goes to an NFL team that needs a slot receiver,

946
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: I think he can actually contribute pretty early and pretty well. Um,

947
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: very different from some of the guys we've just named,

948
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: but very useful for the NFL as well. So those

949
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: are kind of the last few have a name. There's

950
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: a couple of others, but we're getting too dark territory

951
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: at that point. I was wondering if you're gonna mention

952
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: WAP failure just because his name is fun again, another

953
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: fun name to say. Uh, you know, I don't know

954
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: necessarily that what his prospects are going to be, but

955
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: you know a guy who got his nickname because he

956
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: loved burger king whoppers. Uh, it's at least a fun

957
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: story to tell if nothing else, Um, all right, that

958
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: was healthy, Like we feel like we did work in

959
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: a month. Um that I appreciate all your help, all

960
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: your insight on this. It was a lot of fun.

961
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: For the next few days for draft days, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

962
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: Any any big plans, any any content that you might

963
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: want to share with folks that you will you'll be

964
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: putting out. Yeah. Actually, if you want the most instant

965
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: possible fantasy reactions to draft picks, I would recommend following

966
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at matt Okada. I am going to

967
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: be doing roughly in nineties second video reaction to every

968
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: fantasy relevant pick as soon as it happens during the draft.

969
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: So the second Trevor Lawrence goes, I will be recording

970
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: and uploading a ninety second video on what does it

971
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: mean he's going to the Jaguars, What does that mean

972
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: for his fantasy upside? Who brief rundown of who he

973
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: is as a prospect should be six ninety seconds on

974
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: all these guys. And I think I'm gonna go all

975
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: the way through Date three, man date Day two, we'll see,

976
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: but round three for sure, um, and then I'll maybe

977
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: do some like compiled ones on the lower guys. But

978
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: if you want to get the quick fantasy reacts, that's

979
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: what I'm bea doing during the draft. I'm already told

980
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: anyone who would want to hang out with me on

981
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: those nights typically sorry, I'm out taken by the draft.

982
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'll be doing the whole time. Well, you

983
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: guys should be following Matt Anyway at Mattacatta on Twitter.

984
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: If you aren't already going and do that, um, I

985
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: would say for you, I mean, you might just record

986
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: your Trevor Lawrence one now if you haven't already, just

987
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: just recorded now so that the moment they announced his name,

988
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: you can just blast that one out there and get

989
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: it ready to go. Um. You know, so you don't

990
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: have to, like, you know, scramble and do anything in

991
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: the moment that one that when your homework, I feel

992
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: like it's done for you already. UM. So you know.

993
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: As for us, we are also doing fantasy relevant content

994
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: around the draft. Of course, you can see all of

995
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: our stuff on YouTube at YouTube dot com slash NFL

996
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football. But this show, the NFL Fantasy Football Show,

997
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: will be doing some streaming efforts uh each day after

998
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: the draft, So we'll have one on Friday recapping the

999
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: first night, We'll have one on Saturday, UH that is

1000
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: recapping the second day, and then we will do one

1001
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: on Monday that recaps sort of the draft as a

1002
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: home a couple of three half hour shows. Myself and

1003
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: Adam Rank will be doing that as well. You can

1004
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: find them streaming at NFL dot com in the Fantasy app,

1005
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: and of course if you don't see them live, UH,

1006
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: they will be archived as well so you can get

1007
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: to your your recap fixed. Of that, we have plea

1008
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: to talk about, and then as I mentioned, hopefully we'll

1009
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: get together and do a mock draft once it's all done,

1010
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: so that hopefully will be next week's show for you

1011
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: to look forward to. So Matt, thank you so much,

1012
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: dude for all your help. It was. It was great

1013
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: having you here. This is not gonna be the last

1014
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: time we get you on here, but Dode, I appreciate

1015
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: all the work you put in the last month or so. Yeah,

1016
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. I I enjoy talking about

1017
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: fantasy rookies way too much, so this was all blast.

1018
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: Foremy dude, appreciate it absolutely and it means I've for rest.

1019
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: That is it. We are done. We appreciate you hanging

1020
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: out with the NFL Fantasy Football show. You know the drill.

1021
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: Tell to friends to tell two friends rate review and

1022
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: remember if someone asks you which three items you'll take

1023
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Speaker 1: to a desert island, one of them should be a boat,

1024
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: he says. Take care of ourselves, wear a mask, and

1025
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Speaker 1: we will see you next week. Enjoy the draft, everybody. Wow.

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