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Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of discussions lately on social media,

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Speaker 1: especially in Christian circles, that there is an evasion coming,

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Speaker 1: an invasion of our nation here, and that is what

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Speaker 1: people are calling the Islamic invasion. Is this real? Is

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Speaker 1: this is this fiction? Is this something we should be

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Speaker 1: worried about. Let's discuss in today's show. So I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited about this discussion today. It's it's really connected a

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Speaker 1: little bit to last week's episode. We were talking basically

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Speaker 1: in Christian nationalism and and you it's hard today to

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Speaker 1: And then there is more and more a fear of Islam,

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Speaker 1: especially from Christian circles, I would argue, especially from nominal

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Speaker 1: Christian circles. Sure they think they think. I like my life,

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Speaker 1: it's very comfortable. I like my my the school that

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Speaker 1: see Muslims coming in and bringing their ideas and they're

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Speaker 1: a culture and pushing us out. You know, we see

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Speaker 1: that around the world. And so that's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: a flash reaction, a knee jerk reaction.

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Speaker 2: Especially when you have the governor of the most populous

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Speaker 1: It's it's mayor. And as we as we record this today,

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Speaker 1: the elections today, So by the time this comes out,

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Speaker 1: we will know whether the mayor of New York City

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and predicted for a while now that

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Speaker 2: he would win. Yeah, so what that would mean.

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Speaker 1: If we are connecting this to last week's podcast, I

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Speaker 1: I typically will make the more unpopular argument that this

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Speaker 1: is actually an opportunity for us because we see people

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Speaker 1: that are in the image of God, that are that

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Speaker 1: are lacking Jesus, that that need to hear the Gospel,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of us have gotten on airplanes and

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Speaker 1: gone a long way to give a message to people

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Speaker 1: that need Jesus. And yet here there's an opportunity of

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Speaker 1: this coming to us, which brings us to our guest.

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Speaker 1: We have a very different guest for us, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited about this. Mike Chun is with us, and

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Speaker 1: I've tried to your wife, Sunday's here, My brother Aaron

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Speaker 1: is back here too from church, and I've tried to

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Speaker 1: describe to tell Aaron and other people about you, and

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Speaker 1: even ant Man and so let me just say it.

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Speaker 1: You are a South Korean. Yep, that's that's lived for

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Speaker 1: years in Afghanistan with a heart for the Afghan people.

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Speaker 1: And yet you currently live in Canada. And right now

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Speaker 1: you're with us here in Texas.

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Speaker 4: Yes, God, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: So you you, you and your and your lovely wife

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Speaker 1: have have been spending a night in our barn. We

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Speaker 1: had dinner last night with our family, and and oh

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Speaker 1: there's another there's another component to how I describe you.

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Speaker 1: And we met on zoom while you were in Greece,

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Speaker 1: yes right, Yes, your South Korea with a heart for

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Speaker 1: the Afghan people living in Canada. That we met while

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Speaker 4: In Greece, yes right.

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Speaker 1: And we had a lovely dinner last night, and and

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Speaker 1: I was able to hear even more of your story

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Speaker 3: Please tell me you fit in Texas barbecue.

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Speaker 1: No, it was actually more authentic than that. We live

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Speaker 1: in a German and so Zion Lutheran church that's just

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Speaker 4: So that's really lovely.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll try to get Mexican food tonight. They don't

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Speaker 4: Uh no, we have more kind of they we have

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Speaker 4: more Indian food and les and yeah. So yeah, that

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Speaker 1: So I got to know more of your story yes

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Speaker 1: a church as a pastor, but it's going to be

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Speaker 1: an Afghan church. Yes, So.

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Speaker 4: After the government collapse in Afghanistan, translators and also Afghans

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Speaker 1: So you know what that is. These two guys here

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Speaker 1: to capture it, to test it, to study it, yes,

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Speaker 1: and to protect others. That's what you're doing. This so

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Speaker 1: say we're going into it. We're going into it because

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Speaker 3: Muslims or are they believers?

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Speaker 4: Oh, they're Muslims. They're Muslims by the way, you know,

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Speaker 4: the baseline should be clear. They had no chance to

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Speaker 4: As they were born, you know, like family name, they

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's so good, and we talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: you've seen that play out in a way where you

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Speaker 1: your heart has been stirred, and you thought, because I have,

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Speaker 1: I am responsible to share, to give because what I

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. This is this is not something

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Speaker 1: It's not mine to hold onto. No, it's mine to share.

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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of me and a mindset that has

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Speaker 4: I grew up in South Korean church back in nineties.

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Speaker 4: God built me, created me as a musician. I love

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Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be pastor so you know, even.

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Speaker 1: Though even though you're seminary trained, no, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone every single believer, so we are cooled to

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Speaker 4: And then I wrote a couple of Christian world view background,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I told them that Americans are obsessed with Koreans,

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Speaker 4: God led us into Central Asia because we knew some

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Speaker 1: So what year is this when you moved to the year.

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Speaker 4: At the time? Was one? Dave?

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Speaker 1: And then you had Sarah?

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Speaker 4: Oh, no, Dave josh Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Joshua Joshua was next. Yes, But but you My point is,

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Speaker 4: Akbar John. Akbar means you know, the almighty one. So

436
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: for my heart, Lord, she's courting you, Lord. The mother

437
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: who just lost her baby is courting out your name.

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Speaker 1: Lord.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: So that moment was a turning point for him in

441
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Speaker 1: his ministry, not only in his in his ministry for Islam,

442
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Speaker 1: but in his understanding of evangelism in a culture that

443
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Speaker 1: is that values honor, shame, that that cannot open up

444
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Speaker 1: in any other way. A woman that would never speak

445
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Speaker 1: in a country that doesn't allow a woman to speak,

446
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: was crying out in a way that impacted Mike. Where

447
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: everything the Lord revealed something in your heart. Then that

448
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: there is a new way of ministry.

449
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Speaker 4: Yes, so that moment really engraved my borone God. They

450
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: are crying out to you right Perhaps they might be

451
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: considered as a lost child or flock out of the

452
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Speaker 4: barn according to the Gospel of John, but they are

453
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: calling out you Lord, and skip the time into twenty twenty,

454
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Speaker 4: I had a chance to visit a refuge camp, Maria

455
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Speaker 4: refugee camp in Lesbos Island in Greek territory, but right

456
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: in front of the Turkish shore. So we had a

457
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Speaker 4: conference to serve refugees. So at the time, you know,

458
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: it was flooding of refugees. So we had a conference

459
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Speaker 4: and then we've undered the up team to visit one

460
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Speaker 4: of the refuge camp so from iva look from Turkish side.

461
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Speaker 4: We paid some ticket to get some you know seat,

462
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Speaker 4: and then we got a nice coffee and then we

463
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Speaker 4: enjoyed like an hour of the very ride to the

464
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Speaker 4: Greek island.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful place.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful, yeah, great vacation place. By the way, you know,

467
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: far away distance, I saw dingy boats filled with refugees.

468
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: Really yes, you know, just exactly the same human beings

469
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Speaker 4: like you and me. In Afghanistan. What really stunned me

470
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Speaker 4: was I'd never paid the application feel like ten thousand

471
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Speaker 4: dollars to get the you know, Korean skin and Korean

472
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Speaker 4: Christian parents. When I was born. I found you you know,

473
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Speaker 4: I had like good four or five generations of serious

474
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: Christian fathers, forefathers. But in Afghanistan, I found they are

475
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: exactly the same human being. And I paid nothing to

476
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Speaker 4: become Korean Christian and they paid nothing. And then found

477
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: you know, they were born in a Muslim family and

478
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: like family name identity has just keiven, Oh you're a Muslim.

479
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: So my heart was, you know burning. So I was

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Speaker 4: sitting on a nice favoryboat with hot coffee. They were

481
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Speaker 4: sitting on the dingy boat uncertainty whether it could reach

482
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Speaker 4: the island or not.

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Speaker 1: And these are people from Afghanistan or that have fleed

484
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Speaker 1: the war and the economy of Afghanistan, and they're just

485
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Speaker 1: trying to get to Europe. Yes, Europe doesn't want them.

486
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Speaker 1: Greece doesn't want them in neither this Turkey because they

487
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: want they don't want Islamic invasion. Sure, right, it sounds

488
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Speaker 1: like us, that sounds like that's down. This was only

489
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Speaker 1: six years five years ago.

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Speaker 4: So when I arrived, you know, and real quick, why

491
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: are they why are they fleeing?

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Speaker 3: Why have they fled.

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Speaker 4: Like Afghans? You know, first they find shelter in Iran,

494
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 4: and then when the refuge permit finished or expired, they

495
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Speaker 4: moved to Turkey.

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Speaker 2: But they're trying to get out of the war that's

497
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Speaker 2: going on in Afghanistan. Yeah, correct, okay, yeah, And then

498
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Speaker 2: you know, like.

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Speaker 4: During the war, you know, even like there is no

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Speaker 4: guarantee to raise your children until like fifteen twenty without

501
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: any concern because you know, there are many militias, local militias.

502
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: So one day, you know, with a couple of pickup trucks,

503
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 4: you know, worldlords came and oh I need more soldiers.

504
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: You come joined. There is no way to say no,

505
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 4: no choice, no choice, and you know those little boys

506
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: might be where with a suicide vest and then you know,

507
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: a brain watched for a month. As soon as you die,

508
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: you will be in heaven, so you know. And then

509
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: they compensate like five hundred dollars for the family, and

510
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: this is great. Martyr parents doesn't want to be part

511
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: of that story. So they left their village. And then

512
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter whether I begging on the street or

513
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: eating from the food garbage. We will be out of

514
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: this mess. So they escaped the war zone conflict, and

515
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Speaker 4: then they moved to Iran. By the way, you know,

516
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: nobody welcomes refugees, so you know, when the permission expired,

517
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: they moved to Turkey and got permission. And when they realized, oh,

518
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: my refuge status will be expired in a week and

519
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: we are going to be deported back to Afghanistan, then

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: you know, they sold every everything and paved mooddlers. And

521
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 4: then they find a fit on the dingy boat. So

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00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: I saw them on the dingy boat, and then you

523
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: know they.

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Speaker 1: These are dingy boats, are like these little rubber drafts basically,

525
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Speaker 1: and they've paid everything they own to get on that

526
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Speaker 1: boat to try to get to Greek, to that Greece,

527
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Speaker 1: the Greek island of what's the island's name, uh, Lesbos Island,

528
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Lesbos Islands, because because that Lesbos island is another holding

529
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: spot yep. That then you can get to the mainland

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Speaker 1: of Greece. So they pay everything they own just to

531
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Speaker 1: not go back to Afghanistan frum Iran through Turkey to

532
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Speaker 1: get on this rubber dinghy boat.

533
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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: So the dinner time we had dinner, and then suddenly

535
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Speaker 4: I heard the rescue choppers almost you know, blew out

536
00:36:52,719 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: our roup and and uh Christian workers who in that

537
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: area says, oh, another you know dingy boat flipped over

538
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: its rescue operation. Let's see what happened. And then you know,

539
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 4: an hour later, okay, two persons dead, drone dead in

540
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: the ocean and a star bubrus rescued. My heart was

541
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: just broken. They are just exactly the same human being

542
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: like you and me, but you know, the what it

543
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: welcomes them and their hometown is masked with this conflict

544
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: and tell them.

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00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: Why these dingy boats go down and people die every

546
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Speaker 1: day on those boats.

547
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: At the time. Greek coast guard sometimes by purpose they

548
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: cause wave to flip over this refuge boat, dingy boat.

549
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: So they die out there and they don't have to

550
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: do anything with them on the mainland.

551
00:37:53,800 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: And sometimes speedboat appear out of nowhere, speedboat with sometimes gone,

552
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: sometimes with spear, and then they destroy the dingy boat

553
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: to die. Clear message like you know, do not attempt,

554
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: don't try to cross the ocean so you will die.

555
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: So there was you know, clear message. But still people

556
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: want to try that because otherwise, you know, only option

557
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 4: was wait for a week and then you know, deported

558
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: back to Afghanistan. So my heart was so broken. So

559
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 4: you know, at that night I wasn't able to sleep. Lord.

560
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: Next day I supposed to let a worship session for

561
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: Afghan Muslim background, the new Christian believers. Okay, so you

562
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: know I've been in prayer for the worship session and

563
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: then so less than like twelve hours was the leader

564
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: worship session for them. So Lord, what do you want

565
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: me to sing with these afternoon livers? And then God

566
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: gave me uh kind of some worship lamentation worship.

567
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: But that but last night you said you you first

568
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: you started singing craising worship.

569
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 4: Yes, so next day, you know, next day like Hudo

570
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: and Nichols Hu Nichols translated worship song from English worship song,

571
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: but I is song. Uh you have memic less memory less.

572
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

573
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 4: By the way, the response was not really active, okay, yeah, okay.

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00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Just kind of looking at them, yea, not doing anything.

575
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: You know, God, y, you're you're my boyfriend, you know Jesus,

576
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: you know.

577
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 4: So they were not able to resonate with the worship

578
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: songs and night before, you know, while I prayed, God

579
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 4: reminded me that night the lady, my neighbor, lady who

580
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: cried out, akbarjon amy one, where are you? You never

581
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: hear my cry? So I wrote a lamentation worship Mighty One,

582
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: hear my cry. I've been cry at all night long.

583
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: I've been drawn underwater, I've been chased by enemies, I

584
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 4: was lost in the desert, and I was hired under

585
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: the big rock. Nobody welcomes me, but I know you

586
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 4: are the Almighty One. Still I'm here for your help,

587
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: the rescue me, save me.

588
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: The old woe do I am mouto besh.

589
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 4: Ay?

590
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Who do whoa.

591
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: Create model.

592
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Be?

593
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Now?

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00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: So I borrowed melody from the kind of a Courregorian chant,

595
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 4: which is actually an original form of the Azan in

596
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: the Islamic community. So there was borrowed from the early churches.

597
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: So I borrowed those melodies and then I played this

598
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: lamentation worship with Afghan traditional musical instrument named Afghan rubob.

599
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 4: And then I saw, you know, when we had the

600
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: worship possession, I saw Afghan Muslim background doo believers like

601
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: eighty we had a fellowship in a warehouse, they turned

602
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 4: into the stoneface. So you know, I was surprised. Oh Lord,

603
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: am I doing something wrong. I was really nervous. But however,

604
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: I started the song, so you know, I supposed I

605
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: supposed to finish the song. So as I continue the

606
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 4: worship song, I saw that the stoneface burst in tears.

607
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: Then I realized, oh, even in this you know, so

608
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 4: called Christian fellowship, tension was real, uh issue, So they

609
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 4: don't want to inform others that he or she is crying,

610
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: so you know, they burst in tears. And then with

611
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: the stoneface, then they took out their mobile phone and

612
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: started to record my lamentation worship because they love it.

613
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: And then they want to keep it and they want

614
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: to keep listening this worship song. Wow, and I realized, oh,

615
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: this is a key two to reach out the wounded heart.

616
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 4: Traumatized community. They are waiting for some medicine, some healing, grace,

617
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 4: and that is the lamentation worship.

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00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: So this is impactful for me too because our church

619
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: we went through the Book of Limitations. We preached through

620
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: that book, and it's often missed and Americans are like

621
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the first in line to skip over the idea that

622
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: the that lament in the Bible was given to us

623
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: as a gift, as a heart posture for grieving. Oh yeah,

624
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: and that key that you're talking about is right here

625
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: in our Bible. We have it. We have it, you know.

626
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: For instance, I'm thirteen, I go to I think about

627
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: this a lot because these are ideas when when someone

628
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: is struggling and they're grieving, they're they're hurting, the Bible

629
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: gives you a language. Oh yeah for this. Aaron and

630
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: I have been through this a lot between us and

631
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: our lives. And there are days when you want to

632
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: to give a joyful rejoice, a happy you know, cheerful

633
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: thanks to God. But there's other times when you say, psal,

634
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm thirteen, How long, o Lord, will you forget me forever?

635
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: How long will you hide your face from me? How

636
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: long must I take counsel in my soul, and have

637
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: sorrow in my heart all the day. How long shall

638
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: my enemy be exalted over me? Consider and answer me, O, Lord,

639
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: my God, light up my eyes lest I sleep the

640
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: sleep of death. And this is the voice of the

641
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: woman you heard in the rebble, without even knowing Christ.

642
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: She was.

643
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: Her heart was postured for lamit churches in America, not

644
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: just Afghanistan, not just in Korea. We need the laments.

645
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: We need to view that. This is our heart language

646
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: of sorrow. This is the key you unlock. It's interesting

647
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: because your wife is pursuing a master's degree in biblical counseling.

648
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: You're planning a church as a pastor, you've been trained

649
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: to be a pastor, you're planning in I thought, oh, well,

650
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: will Sunny be counseling biblical counseling in the church. And

651
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: you both looked at me and said no.

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00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: No.

653
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Speaker 1: Afghans don't. They don't go to counseling. Afghans don't open

654
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: up anything about their lives. Afghans don't speak the problems

655
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: because that's shameful. They don't want anybody to know. But

656
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: guess what works singing laments? Amen, that has become your

657
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: mission now.

658
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: Yes, so earlier you know we mentioned about Islamic invasion.

659
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think no.

660
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: Otherwise, Like let's say, you know, your village somehow entangled

661
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: with the combat different militia, like seven militias. You know,

662
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: every night, different militias came and they require food and

663
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 4: sometimes your son and your daughter can you stay there? No,

664
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: it's nothing new. When you open the Bible, like Genesis

665
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: chapter forty two to forty five, you can find the

666
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: Joseph stories. So you know, one point, Joseph use that

667
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: analedge kind of you know when when he's teasing his brothers,

668
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: you know he put gold cups and treasures in their back. Oh,

669
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: you must despi, which means you know, that was one

670
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 4: of the common perspective to see others from outside. So

671
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: at the time in Egypt, they had food and security

672
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: and better life rest of the community, you know, so

673
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: you know, people came to Uh Joseph to get the

674
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: food to survive and community. See, it was possible. It

675
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: was popular to see that the situation with the hostality

676
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 4: are they bring harm to us or are they come

677
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: here to destroy us or steal us? So in our

678
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: generation we might have similar, especially through the media. You know,

679
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 4: we were kind of feed over and over the perspective

680
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 4: of hostility. But in Christ, you know, uh, the perspective

681
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 4: of Christ is hospitality.

682
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Did you say that again for the people that might

683
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: want to hear that again on this podcast?

684
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: Perspective of Christ? In Christ, what we have to where

685
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: is hospitality?

686
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: Oh?

687
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: You need water? Yes, I can bring a water. You

688
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 4: need a food, yes I can share. Still you know

689
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 4: to who those uh in need? Those kind of people?

690
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: What color skin?

691
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: Uh?

692
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Well yes, what kind of language would they speak?

693
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 4: They might speak like, you know, Spanish or you mean

694
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: all people, yes, everybody, Korean, Chinese and Indians. And why

695
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: are they storming into Europe and North America? Because you

696
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 4: have the food and they do not have and they so.

697
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: We need to keep it and build walls around us

698
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: and just we need to hoard.

699
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: Huh kick them out, kick them out? Yeah, Oh they

700
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: must be thieves and gangsters and yeah yes, so you know,

701
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: uh in the eyes of hostolity. Okay, so now we

702
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: want to build a war and then buy some weapons,

703
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 4: not a bad idea, and you know, some ammunitions so

704
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: that we'll be good just in case. Who knows. But

705
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: Christ says they don't know even you know, when they're

706
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: doing nasty stuffs. Christ said, they don't know what they

707
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: are doing. They have no idea. So in Christ, what

708
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: we have to.

709
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Nail them to the cross. Yes, other forgive them they know.

710
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: Not what they do.

711
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: Amen.

712
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 4: So as Tonny and I uh lit a weekly based

713
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: this thirty minute Afghan worship session in language of Afghanistan Dari.

714
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: We invite Afghan worship leader and offer them to lead

715
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: worship session and we empower them. And as we continue

716
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: the ministry, sometimes we got a death threat and then

717
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 4: you know they really think we are Hazara tribe Afghans.

718
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: Once we were Afghans and then now we convert into

719
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 4: the Christianity, so they be can even more upset. And

720
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 4: then they say I'm going to you know, catch you

721
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 4: and then chop you guys into pieces and then kind

722
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 4: of stuff. But it's the same. You know, they don't

723
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: know what they are doing. And from our end, you know,

724
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: we want to keep our perspective and saying a posture

725
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: a little bit more space for them to get to

726
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: know Christ and get a couple of water from our

727
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: hand hands on a feat of the Christ. So Mother terrorists.

728
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 4: Once she said, well, God does not have hands and

729
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: feed I'm a Baptist pastor, but you know, I yeah,

730
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 4: but I think are really yeah, really well mentioned that

731
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: God doesn't have hands but ours. So you know, as

732
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: we feed them, as we serve them, they see the difference.

733
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

734
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 4: So when I worked in local tivy station in Afghanistan,

735
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: first or the Afghan journalists and technical people, they watched

736
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: me really carefully, and then we sometimes we had conflict,

737
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 4: and then they watched me how I deal with the conflict.

738
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 4: And one summer I built a recording studio and then

739
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: after months of effort, of course one guy jumped in

740
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 4: and then his goal was clear. He wanted to take

741
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: over the recording studio. So God gave me just peace

742
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: for heart to give him everything and step back. And

743
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 4: then after the one guy came to me said I

744
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: think you are smart guy, and then you are educated,

745
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: but your solution was totally different. I think you are

746
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: true Muslim.

747
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: So I was done.

748
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 4: So why why did he said? Well, man, I can

749
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: tell you leave in the Gotch presence every day. Your

750
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: language is totally different, and I can tell you fear

751
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: God and you I can tell you are working with

752
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 4: the God, the Creator daily basis. So you know we

753
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: are just kind of you know, fake, but you are

754
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: genuine God fear and I see God's touch in your

755
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 4: heart in your life. I found, you know, nobody could

756
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: deny the evidence. So nowadays, you know, media says or

757
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: be prepared for this invasion and how many casualties and

758
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 4: see their hostilities and stuff. But well in the Bible

759
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: we can find the answer. You know, it's time of femine.

760
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: You have the food they do not have. You know,

761
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 4: whenever when we reach out Afghans Muslim community, only thing

762
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 4: they want is better future their children. They hope my

763
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: son wouldn't be dragged into the militia for the soulside

764
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: bombing in Afghanistan. You know, sometimes you have no guarantee

765
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 4: to protect your daughter beyond age twelve. So you know, okay,

766
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: it would be better to begging on the street, so

767
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 4: I will go out. So they take their family and

768
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: then really literally they go to Pakistan and Iran and Turkey.

769
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: Actually they're sitting on the street and then begining to survive.

770
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: So now you know, last week I saw news report

771
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: forty five percent of food bank customers are Afghans. So

772
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 4: they need food and they need community, and whoever listened

773
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: to this podcast, I would like to really encourage you

774
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: to reach them out. They are here not to destroy

775
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 4: this community, but they want to be part of this community.

776
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 4: They're only desire is better future their children. One day,

777
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 4: you know, their children will be educated and well fit

778
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: in this community and contribute to society, and they have

779
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: a better future. That's only their hope and desire. By

780
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: the way, as we reject them, as we segregate them,

781
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 4: things are getting downward and things are getting spoiled. In London, Canada,

782
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 4: years ago, we had some kind of extremist cases. It

783
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: was funny, you know, one guys from North Africa and

784
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 4: other guys from Middle East, just high school graduate and

785
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: one Korean guy joined this giddy group. Okay, this Korean guy.

786
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 4: They had Catholic background, but they were bullied and rejected

787
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 4: in high school. And then they found oh, watch common

788
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: in US. Oh we are all bullied, so majority doesn't

789
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 4: accept us. Uh. So you know, they they had deep

790
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: anxiety and sorrow and angry. And then one guy had

791
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 4: a resources from the extremists, so or they went to

792
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: North Africa to be a jihadist and this Korean guy

793
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: lost in the city and then and then detained by

794
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: the local authority and then later deported back to Canada.

795
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: So when we reject and when we isolate them, things

796
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 4: are getting really downward. But I believe God sent them

797
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 4: to in front of us, you and me, right next

798
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: to the church. You know, we say Bible belt. Southern

799
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: Ontario is you know, Bible belt, And in a sudden

800
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: part of the US strong Bible belt, they are here

801
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: to listen to the gospel. So one of my crazy

802
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 4: suggestion is, would you like to mess up your Thanksgiving dinner?

803
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: Go to the McDonald's or on the Thanksgiving evening you

804
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: can find so many immigrants who has nowhere to go.

805
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 4: Perhaps they brought their children to spend time for the evening.

806
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: Perhaps you might mess up one dinner a challenge, Yeah,

807
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: but you might earn the relationship and you might be

808
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: the witness who Christ is. They might ask you, so

809
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 4: why do you invite us? You can say you know,

810
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm a follower of the Christ. It doesn't mean you know,

811
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to change your religious background, or your even family,

812
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 4: or your gender or nothing. But I want to be,

813
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 4: you know, a friend. I want to be a neighbor,

814
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 4: good neighbor with you, So I know you know since

815
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 4: as a Korean, actually we are one of those families

816
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 4: who are sitting in the betterners for Thanksgiving evenings. So

817
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: we are a nuclear family far from our homeland. So

818
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 4: each time when we visit there, we see you know,

819
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: so many immigrant families from China and India and the

820
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 4: Middle East. They're just sitting and then spend time there,

821
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 4: while Norse American families really rejoice with a bigger family.

822
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 4: So I know, you know, Christmas dinner is really important,

823
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 4: and Thanksgiving dinner is really important. But do not fear.

824
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 4: Fear drive us into wrong direction, not to shine out

825
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 4: who we are. I certain in the Navy, you know

826
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: when you panicked, actually you forgot who you are once.

827
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 4: We had an active situation in nineteen seventy three. It

828
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 4: was before my time in DMZ Korea. So North American

829
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 4: soldiers attacked UN forces. So US military officer with Korean members,

830
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 4: so they attacked this unit. The UN team was trying

831
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: to cut down a tree for the better observation, but however,

832
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 4: in the North Koreans just appeared and then attacked them

833
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 4: with ax By the way, one of the guards. You know,

834
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 4: he was panicked as other side jumped in with the ax.

835
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: He panicked and he ran like one hundred meter and

836
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: then he found actually he has a gun. Or however,

837
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 4: you know that Captain Boniface already attacked with acts and

838
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 4: he lost his life at that moment from the attack.

839
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 4: So when we panic in the field with the fear,

840
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: actually we forgot who we are. We are the rock.

841
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 4: We are the Church, We are the light of the world,

842
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: and we are houses on the rock. Sometimes you know,

843
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: I compare that if you attack the rock with the

844
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 4: agg who will win act or rock. We are the

845
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 4: rock because we have the Gospel. So do not fear.

846
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: And if you have any like you know, immigrant background

847
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 4: neighbors or even Muslim neighbors, do not fear and connect

848
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 4: with them and then ask them what's their name and

849
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 4: watch their dren's name which they're you know, favorite food,

850
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: and then connected with them. And then if you are

851
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 4: walk with the Lord, there should be some reflection who

852
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 4: God is visible evidence they will see it.

853
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

854
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: And then well, if you've ever thought about going on

855
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: a on a mission trip and you haven't been able

856
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: to God's bringing them to us.

857
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: Now that we don't have to go anywhere to go

858
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: on a mission trip anymore.

859
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: Like what an amazing message. And I didn't know you

860
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: were going to finish that way. It's like perfect. I mean,

861
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been better timing. Continuing from last week's

862
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: podcast where we talked about where could people find you today?

863
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: If they are maybe we shouldn't have people find you

864
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: because you say things that are that you know could

865
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: get you in trouble. But where if do you have

866
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: a ministry that people could find you? That may be

867
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: the church plant that's coming in uh huh Kitchener, right.

868
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 4: Yes, we are going to church planting in Kitchener, Ontario.

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Speaker 4: And also you could reach me, Mike that chun at

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Speaker 4: O m org so you can send me an email.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, So this here is my favor to everyone

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Speaker 4: who listened to this podcast. Prayer so weekly basis, we

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Speaker 4: send out Christian message in the form of art Afghan

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Speaker 4: worship songs into Afghanistan as a Facebook ad. So sometimes

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Speaker 4: in four days, you know, we got one hundred fifty

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Speaker 4: riches and we record one hundred and ninety five abuse,

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Speaker 4: so means more than forty thousand people watching more than

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Speaker 4: one time. I don't know if they are isolated believers

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Speaker 4: or not. But sometimes Ah, the reply says, fear Allah

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Speaker 4: and do not deceive people. So I said, praise the Lord.

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Speaker 4: He shows his very first reaction to the gospel, like

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Speaker 4: for support early stage. You know, he was ready to

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Speaker 4: kill anybody because of his you know, uh faith to

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Speaker 4: protect the faith. But by the way, you know our

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Speaker 4: God does not need protection. Of course, you know there

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Speaker 4: are law authorities enforcement systems in this country like CIA,

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Speaker 4: FBI and then RCMP in Canada. So as a civilian,

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Speaker 4: you know, we don't need to worry about too much

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Speaker 4: about it because we have the best system in the government.

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Speaker 4: What we need to do is reach them out. And Ah,

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Speaker 4: as I see this negative reply, I thank God he

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Speaker 4: shows at least one reaction to the gospel. And we

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Speaker 4: are keep praying for these guys. They feel upset means

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Speaker 4: better than ignore, and I pray you know this opportunity

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Speaker 4: became to shed the light of gospel into their life.

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Speaker 4: And then I pray, Lord inter in their life. And

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Speaker 4: then reveal who you are even nighttime when they sleep

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Speaker 4: through the dream, reveal yourself. So if you keep standing

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Speaker 4: alongside with us with prayer, I will really appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: And if you want to get prayer letter, send me

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Speaker 4: an email Mike dot Chan at om Org.

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Speaker 1: Sonny, did he miss anything? He missed a lot of things. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's I think.

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Speaker 4: Not.

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Speaker 1: You said one hundred and fifty views. It was one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand. Yes, thank you, Sonny was her brother.

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Speaker 1: Thank you sincerely. You have you have blessed us with

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Speaker 1: your story and and even your presence in our house,

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Speaker 1: and so I hope that this is the beginning of

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Speaker 1: many conversations between us. And as we watch the Lord

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Speaker 1: as he unravels his providence in front of our eyes,

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Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's the Bible says, it is marvelous

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Speaker 1: in our eyes. And so we serve a great God.

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Speaker 1: And though we were born far far distance from each other,

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Speaker 1: we are brothers and we served the same So I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to stand beside you in prayer and maybe

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Speaker 1: even in another.

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Speaker 3: Country one of these days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely, Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for hanging out with me on

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Speaker 1: this episode of the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 1: see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Yee