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Speaker 1: Native Lamb Pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reezing Choice Media. Welcome Home, y'all, Episode one O

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Speaker 1: two of Native Lamb pot where we break down things

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Speaker 1: that are all political and dip into the culture and

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Speaker 1: boy ol boy, did we set off a discussion this week?

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Speaker 1: We are going to get into all of that on

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Speaker 1: this episode. I am your co host Tiffany Cross here

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Speaker 1: with Angela Rye, Andrew Gillum and Bacari Sellers. Bakari, we

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Speaker 1: are told is having some technical difficulties. You guys know,

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Speaker 1: he's a very hard working trial attorney. He's in trial

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Speaker 1: at the moment, so he joins us on this podcast

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Speaker 1: from his office and he is having some technical difficulties.

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Speaker 1: So we have seen him, we've heard from him, and

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Speaker 1: he rumor has it he'll be making an appearance on

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Speaker 1: the show eventually once he gets his dial up fixed.

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Speaker 2: I think that's his dialupe.

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Speaker 3: Beyonce would never have done.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, while we wait on Bakari, what are we

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Speaker 1: getting into on the show today?

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Speaker 2: Angel what you got?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: If we move beyond to beef, I think that we

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Speaker 4: really need to talk about another beef that I have

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Speaker 4: and the beef that I have is with the way

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump continues to use this government as a

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Speaker 4: bank account, rolling bank account while everybody else is frozen out.

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Speaker 4: So he's asking the Department of Justice for restitution for

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Speaker 4: crimes he says he doesn't he didn't commit.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I have thoughts on that, Andrew, what do

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Speaker 1: you got?

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Speaker 5: I hear that Mayor Brandon Johnson of the Great City

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Speaker 5: of Chicago issued a different kind of challenge during this

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Speaker 5: No Kings set of protests over the weekend, and I

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Speaker 5: actually wonder if we have as a community the stomach

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Speaker 5: for it. We're here about that and hopefully get into

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Speaker 5: a little conversation.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Butcari wanted to talk about something with

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Speaker 1: the Congressional Black Caucus, So if we have time for that,

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Speaker 1: we might have to do that on a mini pod

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Speaker 1: next week. But I know he did reference that, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get into this what's going on with

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Speaker 1: snap benefits. I think that'll probably come up in your conversation.

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Speaker 1: And I know, Angela, you did a whole on the

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Speaker 1: government shut down. I just want to tell people what's

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Speaker 1: happening there, and I want to stress that we this

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Speaker 1: week have certainly heard from a lot of you. We

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Speaker 1: looked at all your comments, and so we're going to

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Speaker 1: be joined by Charlemagne the God Lenara McKelvey, host of

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, who had his own thoughts about what

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Speaker 1: on what anti intellectualism is to him. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that will be a very spirited discussion. So stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that conversation. But for now, let's kick off

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Speaker 1: the show. I oh, I think Beyonce is in the building.

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Speaker 3: AOL, AOL dial.

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Speaker 2: Up, get fixed, Bacary, Like, what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Man? Look, this is called this is called Orangeburg, South Carolina.

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Speaker 6: We welcome to the.

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Speaker 1: Technological Okay, Well, we just went through our rundown on

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Speaker 1: what we want to talk about. And I know that

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Speaker 1: you had mentioned that you wanted to talk about something

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Speaker 1: with the Congressional Black Caucus. I wasn't clear, So you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean I think that people need to

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Speaker 6: understand that the Congressional Black Caucus is at risk. I

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Speaker 6: think that you know what's going on with the rulings

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Speaker 6: in the Supreme Court and what you're seeing throughout the South.

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Speaker 6: Many of your CBC members are at risk of having

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Speaker 6: their seats either squashed, cut in half, or disappeared. So

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Speaker 6: it's something we need to raise awareness about, you know what.

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Speaker 2: And that reminds me.

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Speaker 1: We did get a really great viewer question on section

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Speaker 1: two of the Voting Rights Act, so I'd love for

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Speaker 1: you and Andrew to weigh in on those.

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Speaker 2: For now, I have to.

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Speaker 1: Tell you, I'm really concerned with Donald Trump asking for

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Speaker 1: restitution from the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain to people exactly what that is.

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Speaker 1: Explain it to me like a five year old, because

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Speaker 4: Following well for those who had forgotten, because there it

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Speaker 4: feels like we've lived a decade in the last ten months.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, before he was elected president in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: was charged with ninety one different counts, different felony counts.

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Speaker 4: It was reduced down to eighty eight and he was convicted.

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Speaker 3: They were thrown out. He now wants restitution. But see

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Speaker 3: here here, here's how it goes.

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Speaker 4: Friend, Just because the case was thrown out doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: that it was a malicious or selective prosecution. It was

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Speaker 4: thrown out because you're lawyers, not you, Tiff. I'm just

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Speaker 4: looking at you, Tiff. But his lawyers said, you know

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Speaker 4: what we're gonna challenge forget civil immunity. We're gonna go

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Speaker 4: for criminal immunity for anyone who served as president. That

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Speaker 4: means that you cannot be liable, convicted, charged for any

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Speaker 4: be being president of these United States. So the charges

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Speaker 4: that he no longer faced federally were because they could

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Speaker 4: no longer bring those cases because he's now criminally immune.

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Speaker 4: That's what the Supreme Court decided. So he said, let

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Speaker 4: me take it a step further with my white privilege.

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Speaker 4: Let me see if since I was never tried, or

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Speaker 4: since the cases were thrown out, can I get you

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Speaker 4: to run me my money that's not mine? So he said, tif,

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Speaker 4: you pay it to this taxpayer bucket. I want your

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Speaker 4: money to come to my pockets now and pay two

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Speaker 4: that I wasn't convicted of. Again, not because he didn't

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Speaker 3: He's trying to see.

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Speaker 5: How far he the judges to the Supreme Court that

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's true as well what he did, that's true

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Speaker 4: it's but it's true as well. And I think the

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Speaker 4: other thing that's important to understand is the Florida judge

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Speaker 4: Court justices, but Eileen Cannon said they that they've made

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Speaker 4: two separate claims. No, they've I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the wrong thing. They that they've made.

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Speaker 4: In the case of mar A Lago Judge Eileen Cannon,

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Speaker 4: So let's say that there was some wrongdoing which would

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Speaker 3: There was none, and so he just says, let.

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Speaker 4: Me just see if because there's a gray area or

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Speaker 4: a place where it's silent, I can now recover something.

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Speaker 4: He claims that what he would do with the money

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Speaker 4: is that for that east wing that he's now torn down,

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Speaker 4: he's over there destroying the White House and Kseyawn missed it.

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Speaker 4: For that east wing, I'm going to use that money

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Speaker 4: to build out this grand ballroom that the country so

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Speaker 1: This sounds like, man, he's not planning on leaving the

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Speaker 1: White House with maccari. Let me ask you, how likely

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Speaker 1: is this to happen? Like, do we think that he

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Speaker 6: He should not. Angela highlighted something that was very important

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Speaker 6: about the reasoning, the legal reasonings why he should not

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Speaker 6: goes the indictments were actually just and prudent based upon

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Speaker 6: what the prosecutor believed. However, subsequently, the challenges to presidential

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Speaker 6: you know, it becomes a weird question. So does he

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Speaker 6: But as we know, the conflict of interest is now

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Speaker 6: why I'm hesitant about saying no to the question that

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Speaker 6: you asked Tiffany, Ultimately, the decision made about who's going

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Speaker 6: to pay out that Tort Claim Act is going to

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Speaker 6: is no separation. There is some unique case law over

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Speaker 6: what this falls under, is called the Federal FTCA Federal

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Speaker 6: Tort Claims at case. And you know there are intentional

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Speaker 6: And so I really don't know this is this like

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Speaker 6: But if there was some level of ethics, the answer

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Speaker 6: probably wouldn't even bring up right now if you're a

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Speaker 2: Everyone's seen Andrew.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he's gonna get the money, just as he achieved

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any with the respect to all

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Speaker 5: should have never been bought and that he was never

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Speaker 5: I think he's going to get exactly what he asked for, period.

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Speaker 5: And he's telling the American people that he's going to

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Speaker 5: American government on an expense the American people didn't ask for,

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Speaker 5: hundred and forty million back to his own pocket at

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Speaker 5: a day after Donald Trump, and if the people who

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Speaker 5: then have executed and excavated and worked around and buried

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Speaker 4: I just want to say one other thing that I

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Speaker 4: I will yield in just a second. Donald Trump is

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Speaker 4: maintaining that any decision about whether or not he gets

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Speaker 2: We knew then that he was corrupt.

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Speaker 7: Hi, Native Lamb, my husband and I just said us

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Speaker 5: grounds for legitimacy to bring these cases to the court

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Speaker 5: on behalf of the voters. That is the piece that

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Speaker 5: the US Supreme Court delayed taking additional action on the

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Speaker 5: supp If the course should come to the conclusion that

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Speaker 5: the government is the only entity that can argue that

443
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Speaker 5: a state is out of line with any with any

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Speaker 5: how do you say failty to the law, then if

445
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Speaker 5: we were relying on Donald Trump's judiciary to bring that case,

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Speaker 5: those cases would never come Why Because Pambondy in this

447
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Speaker 5: case has decided against the standard government position. She's now

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Speaker 5: on the other side of the government's.

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Speaker 4: Arguments state governments. Andrew, just for clarity, is the state governments.

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Speaker 4: They're bringing it, and we're also up a crete there.

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Speaker 5: All I'm saying is that the federal government's previous position,

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Speaker 5: all the way up until Pambondi's administration here was always

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Speaker 5: on this was the government's position, wasn't upholding these respective

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Speaker 5: standards of the law. If their position now is to

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Speaker 5: collapse those to say, the state government is right to

456
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Speaker 5: have no argument on the other side, and then the

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Speaker 5: states and then the West Supreme Court says that these

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Speaker 5: cases cannot be bought by interest groups anymore, like the

459
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Speaker 5: like Janey and what she's doing at the Legal Defense Fund.

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Speaker 5: If they no longer are a party to this, who

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Speaker 5: is going to bring the legal cases on our behalf?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that is a question, right, Okay, Andrew was

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Speaker 1: always profound. So I hate to cut you off because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear what you had to say, But

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Speaker 1: because our show is so so packed, I do want

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Speaker 1: to shift us along because I'm coming right back to you, Andrew,

467
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Speaker 1: because on the other side of this break, Chicago Mayor

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Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson has quite the charge for society.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into that right after this. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 10: My ancestors as slaves can lead the bravest general strait

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Speaker 10: in the history of this country. Operations we can, Gooby said,

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Speaker 10: today people people well people to people people relations. We

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Speaker 10: are makeupations to boss to live on because of this generation.

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Speaker 5: Are you letting to take it to a book to

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Speaker 5: the snake?

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Speaker 3: He ain't net a lampid.

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Speaker 2: My name is Andrea.

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Speaker 11: I am originally from Cleveland, Ohio, but I've been living

479
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Speaker 11: in Fort Worth, Texas for the past almost ten years,

480
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Speaker 11: and I wanted to pick y'all brains about Mayor Brandon

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Speaker 11: Johnson's call for a general strike during the No King's

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Speaker 11: protests this past Saturday on October eighteenth. I think that

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Speaker 11: that was a very bold move by an elected official,

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Speaker 11: especially during the times of like this administration. And I

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Speaker 11: also think that him calling for the general strike on

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Speaker 11: a national stage, even though a general strike is nothing new,

487
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Speaker 11: it's not a new concept, but I think he's probably

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Speaker 11: one of the few elected officials who has called for

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Speaker 11: a general strike to meet this moment. Also, I think

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Speaker 11: that in this moment, as Bakari and Tiffany had the

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Speaker 11: conversation that during the one hundredth episode about the relationship

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Speaker 11: between black men and black women and how Bakari stated that,

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Speaker 11: you know, black men don't really get a chance to

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Speaker 11: breathe and lead. I feel like think this is a

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Speaker 11: perfect opportunity. I feel like Mayor Brendan Johnson has put

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Speaker 11: the call to action out and I think it is

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Speaker 11: a perfect opportunity for black men to meet the moment.

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Speaker 2: I think that's you, Andrew.

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Speaker 5: Oh, well, there's the resident black man not meeting moments.

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Speaker 3: Now what that meant?

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Speaker 5: I take her at her words, and I appreciate everything

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Speaker 5: she had to say and the question the framing. I

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Speaker 5: appreciate also the seriousness by which she interpreted the mayor's comments.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it got covered in real broad swaths

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Speaker 5: of American media that a general strike had been called

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Speaker 5: for by the mayor of Chicago. It's one of the

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Speaker 5: largest municipalities in the country. He sits at one of

508
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Speaker 5: the most powerful purchases of political power, and he did

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Speaker 5: admonish us to hold corporations accountable for their complicity in

510
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Speaker 5: the moment. I thought it was powerful. I honestly, I

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Speaker 5: wish that it was accompanied by more fanfare, that more

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Speaker 5: people said what a thing was similar to what this

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Speaker 5: viewer did. I question if the American people are prepared

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Speaker 5: to demonstrate the kind of appetite for resistance that we

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Speaker 5: say not just in a weekend's protest, but in a

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Speaker 5: day in and a day out, weekend, week out, month

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Speaker 5: and month out, resistance toward putting our financial dollars behind

518
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Speaker 5: a system and behind a set of systems and corporations

519
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Speaker 5: who have fallen fidal to this autocratic form of government,

520
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Speaker 5: who basically saying we're okay with this so long as

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Speaker 5: we keep making money, or we're okay with it so

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Speaker 5: long as our deals toward consolidation of company X and

523
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Speaker 5: Y still go forward. Or you saw with Salesforce, one

524
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Speaker 5: of the most impactful companies in this country, the chairman

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Speaker 5: of their foundation board back up, and basically, I don't

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Speaker 5: recognize Benioff, don't recognize the person who I thought I

527
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Speaker 5: was in good company with accomplishing good things for the

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Speaker 5: American people when you agree with the President sending the

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Speaker 5: National Guard into the excuse me, into the city of

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Speaker 5: San Francisco. So I'll just double down on compliments for

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Speaker 5: Mayor Johnson on his call, and I would just hope

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Speaker 5: similar to how we've seen our brother in Atlanta helped

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Speaker 5: to to to that's Jamal Bryant. That is to create

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Speaker 5: a framework around what protests out to look like, what

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Speaker 5: impact ought to look like. That there's some people who

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Speaker 5: are part of that movement who are willing to put

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Speaker 5: pen to paper to sketch a to sketch a resistance

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Speaker 5: and what that resistance looks like. That might help to

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Speaker 5: build the appetite amongst American people to say, you know what,

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Speaker 5: I am willing to put my money where my mouth is,

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Speaker 5: where my where my street shoes are, and say I

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Speaker 5: can protest not just for days resistance, but I can

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Speaker 5: protest for the next foreseeable future so that we can

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Speaker 5: still have the democracy if we can keep it.

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Speaker 2: Angela, what do you?

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Speaker 6: What do you?

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Speaker 2: I have so many questions I want to hear you.

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Speaker 3: At thoughts fars Well, just a few things. The first

549
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Speaker 3: thing is, you know, since we.

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Speaker 4: Talk about black intellectualism at least over the last couple podcasts,

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Speaker 4: I've been thinking a lot about the approach. We've talked

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Speaker 4: before about Congressman Rangel saying whether or not we took

553
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Speaker 4: the right path and in our liberation from economic roots

554
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Speaker 4: versus social roots. We think about the beefs that is,

555
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Speaker 4: like we didn't create beefs y'all believe that, believe it

556
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Speaker 4: or not, between Booker T. Washington and w E b

557
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Speaker 4: DU Boys or w E b DU Boys and Marcus

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Speaker 4: Garvey and all of the others Jay Z and oas right,

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Speaker 4: all the others that have existed. And I think that

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Speaker 4: what comes to mind is that ultimately most of us,

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Speaker 4: I say, ninety five percent of us agree that black

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Speaker 4: people need to be free in this country.

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Speaker 3: We often disagree on the means. And I was looking at.

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Speaker 4: Stuff on the General Strike and like, why wb DU

565
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Speaker 4: Boys says that it was enslaved people and their general

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Speaker 4: strike that really resulted in our emancipation, and so have

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Speaker 4: we since. And I had thought about it because of

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Speaker 4: what Brandon said at the top of his remarks, which

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Speaker 4: was like, it was our ancestors and the general strike

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Speaker 4: that led to our freedom. So I was like, I

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Speaker 4: know that from somewhere, and then I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 4: it's w B DU Boys, who I just so I

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Speaker 4: happen to talk about. But the thing is in Black

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Speaker 4: Reconstruction in America, he has an entire chapter on the

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Speaker 4: General Strike. And I wonder, if we don't take this

576
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Speaker 4: moment you keep saying to if we need to go

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Speaker 4: back and read books, but read the book for how

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Speaker 4: it applies in this moment. What is the lesson that

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Speaker 4: we can learn the call to action from the various

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Speaker 4: scholarly pieces that exist, and if it's quotes from people

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Speaker 4: who didn't necessarily write books, but they were an essential

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Speaker 4: part of different movements and movement building. What is the

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Speaker 4: role of the black person in labor, you know, not

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Speaker 4: just the person in black labor leadership, but the actual

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Speaker 4: dues paying labor union members.

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Speaker 3: Educator, Yeah, what's the role of all of us?

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Speaker 4: The commentator, you know, the influencer, who's the creative content producer,

588
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Speaker 4: whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: What is the role that we must play in this moment?

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Speaker 4: And if we are to strive towards a general strike,

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Speaker 4: do we have commonality around understanding for what that means

592
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Speaker 4: at that point? That's not just a boycott of a

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Speaker 4: business and withholding your dollar for Black Friday or Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 4: Now we're talking about workers saying if you don't respect

595
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Speaker 4: my labor, I don't respect your business and I'm not

596
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Speaker 4: going to go. Do we feel that our people are

597
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Speaker 4: willing to sacrifice their paycheck they're going to work?

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Speaker 3: Is a strike?

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Speaker 4: Right like it is saying I'm withholding my labor. I'm

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Speaker 4: not just withholding my dollar and supporting your business. I'm

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Speaker 4: saying that since you don't respect my personhood, you also

602
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Speaker 4: are not going to be a benef You're not gonna

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Speaker 4: be gonna be a beneficiary of my labor. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to deprive you of that because now we're at a

605
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Speaker 4: crossroads where, you know, it's not just about democracy anymore,

606
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Speaker 4: it's literally about my ability to survive in this space.

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Speaker 4: It is dangerous, it's as risky.

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Speaker 2: Well it sounds even privileged that that would even be

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Speaker 2: a question.

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Speaker 3: Well, but you know, but I think that W. E. B.

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Speaker 4: Du Bois at the time would argue it was not

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Speaker 4: privileged for enslaved people to withhold their labor. It was

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Speaker 4: a matter of survival. And so then the question becomes,

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Speaker 4: are we at that type of crossroads where now our

615
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Speaker 4: labor and are withholding that labor as risky and as

616
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Speaker 4: sacrificial as it is, is that the only way that

617
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Speaker 4: we'll truly see liberation in this country?

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Speaker 6: Well? WB.

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Speaker 1: De Boys was also criticized at the time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he you know, and this is of course post slavery,

621
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Speaker 1: where he, you know, was leading a cause and always

622
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Speaker 1: thought that there would be a path in this country

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Speaker 1: where black folks could be accepted. You know, he was saying, like,

624
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Speaker 1: no black people. He wasn't saying withhold your labor. He

625
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Speaker 1: was saying, go participate in this system, go fight in

626
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Speaker 1: this war, because then if you do that, you will

627
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Speaker 1: they cannot deny you. They cannot deny your citizenship, they

628
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: cannot deny your equal rights. Of course, he later changed

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Speaker 1: that changes, right, Yeah, he changed his attitude. But I'm

630
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Speaker 1: just saying at the time when he was saying that

631
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Speaker 1: there they had be for real, and Marcus Garvey said

632
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Speaker 1: of w E B du boys, this is the white

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Speaker 1: man's nigga.

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Speaker 2: Y'all listening to you.

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Speaker 1: And so I just think at this time I would

636
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Speaker 1: have a hard time telling somebody, yeah, withhold your labor

637
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Speaker 1: and don't get that paycheck, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, because that's the very thing Brandon is coming for.

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Speaker 1: I agree, this is why I have questions about it.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm just trying to think realistically, what does

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Speaker 1: it look like for us to not only withhold our labor,

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Speaker 1: because now we're talking about with hold our participation in

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Speaker 1: this white constructed society, and so any and anytime I

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00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: think about that, I think, Okay, we build our own communities,

645
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Speaker 1: we live off the grid, you know, we grow our

646
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Speaker 1: own food. And when that has happened, they've come and

647
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: destroyed our communities. They've literally burned them down. At me,

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Speaker 1: just Tulsa, I mean, we can go over more than fifty.

649
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Speaker 1: You can look up the Red Summer of nineteen nineteen,

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Speaker 1: which predated Tulsa, of course, and look at all the cities,

651
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Speaker 1: all the white violence, all the despotism that we've survived.

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Speaker 2: So again I would ask us, is this a time

653
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Speaker 2: to flee?

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Speaker 1: That doesn't to me that is perhaps an act of violence,

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Speaker 1: or not an act of violence, an act of resistance.

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Speaker 1: But I really stay well, I was to teeing that

657
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Speaker 1: up to get Andrew's perspective on this, only because for me,

658
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Speaker 1: I only have me, you know, like I do have family,

659
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Speaker 1: but what I don't have is a spouse and children,

660
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Speaker 1: school systems to worry about. I guess health care. Health

661
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: care isn't an issue for me, but like healthcare systems,

662
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: not just for myself, but because other people. I will

663
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Speaker 1: you say that what does that really look like? And

664
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Speaker 1: that is a real last question, and how and Andrew

665
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: you're in Florida, You're in the belly of the beast, Like,

666
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Speaker 1: at what point or I don't know, just your thoughts

667
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Speaker 1: on all of it. I was gonna say, at what point, Well.

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Speaker 5: Rebirth the beast. Yeah, the parents of the beast. We

669
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Speaker 5: are the beast.

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Speaker 2: Some people say he is a dick of the country,

671
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Speaker 2: but that's another Well, you know, there's that.

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Speaker 5: So, first of all, I do think the amount of

673
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Speaker 5: racial consolidation around this idea, in order for success to

674
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Speaker 5: be had in all, you know, points across this land

675
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 5: would be significant. White people would have to find themselves

676
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 5: as at risk as many of us find ourselves at risk,

677
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 5: I think to participate. I wonder whether or not the

678
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: appetite for that exists, and I mean for a general strike. Right,

679
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 5: So we're talking about at all levels of society, largely

680
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 5: against the owners, right, the same owners who helped us

681
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 5: develop these narratives of these very meaningless, bifurcated meritives, narratives

682
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 5: on the workplace that put black and white people and

683
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 5: black and white bodies at strife toward each other. Anyway, Right,

684
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you a title and a promotion without

685
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: any financial increase, just so that we can keep the

686
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 5: turbulence between blacks and white so that we can be

687
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 5: sure that you'll never find the same side with each other.

688
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: You'll never end up fighting on the same side, because

689
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 5: we've now created a level of difference between you, and

690
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: that difference now will always exists. So are folks who

691
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 5: are who were susceptible to that kind of divide before?

692
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 5: Are they going to be equally as succeptable to it?

693
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 5: Are they willingly? Are they going to be willingly able

694
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: to walk away from their jobs, their workplaces, and the

695
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 5: places that they patronize frankly out of solidarity with the

696
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: kind But they don't see it as the country right

697
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 5: now because they only you know, because but for their

698
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 5: favorite late night comedian, they hadn't seen themselves in the

699
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 5: crosshairs of its.

700
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Speaker 2: Impacts talk about it.

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Speaker 5: So are they now willing to see themselves truly in

702
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 5: the crosshairs of the impact and are now willing to

703
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Speaker 5: lay their bodies on the line? And I mean their

704
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 5: physical bodies. I don't know how we get a general

705
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: strike that is successful if once again it relies on

706
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Speaker 5: black and brown bodies to lay themselves at the sacrifice

707
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Speaker 5: of everything horrible that happens in society and whatever little

708
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Speaker 5: good that they are able to extract from society so

709
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Speaker 5: that everybody else gets to be the benefactor of their

710
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Speaker 5: of their sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: I do well really quick. I just want to say, Andrew,

712
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Speaker 1: we're not making you the sole black man here. As

713
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Speaker 1: you guys know, Bakari joins this podcast while he's in trial,

714
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: so he had to run to court, but he will

715
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: be joining us for our interview with Charlemagne and the God,

716
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: which is coming up right after this segment, So don't

717
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Speaker 1: go anywhere. I just wanted to let folks know why

718
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Bakari wasn't weighing in. He had to run, but he's

719
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Speaker 1: coming right back for that important conversation.

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Speaker 4: I think the other thing that we might need to

721
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Speaker 4: consider is, like you know, just like anything else, is

722
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Speaker 4: just focusing on not leaving the country, but on this

723
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: general strike concept. There is something to be said about

724
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Speaker 4: the privilege piece that you mentioned. And one thing that

725
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Speaker 4: I would love to see My dad has been saying

726
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: this for years and every time something goes down, particularly

727
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Speaker 4: in athletics, my dad is like, I wish the players

728
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Speaker 4: would do X, Y or Z. And one thing that

729
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Speaker 4: comes to mind here is It would be incredible, Like

730
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Speaker 4: the NBA.

731
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Speaker 3: Just opened up.

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Speaker 4: It's a preseason over game opener, you know, just a

733
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Speaker 4: couple of days ago. It would be dope to see

734
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Speaker 4: entire teams say, until my personhood is respected, until my

735
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: community's respected, until democracy is no longer compromised.

736
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Speaker 3: I don't have anything for you.

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Speaker 4: And what would it take to organize players around that,

738
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Speaker 4: Whether it's the NBA, the MLB, or the NFL, what

739
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Speaker 4: would it take for them to say, like at a

740
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Speaker 4: pivotal moment, whether it's a season opener, it is right

741
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Speaker 4: before playoffs start, like until we get some things done.

742
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Speaker 4: And I wonder really if they know their power or

743
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Speaker 4: if they could if they're willing, like we keep saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, it would be a sacrifice for maybe these

745
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: hourly wage workers. I know it would be sacrificial as

746
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: well for players who support their whole families. But I

747
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: don't know where the buck stops. No pun intended, right,

748
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Speaker 4: It's like it has to stop somewhere. So if the

749
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Speaker 4: Miszoo athletes could come together, the football players and say

750
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Speaker 4: we're organizing with other students on campus and administration at

751
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Speaker 4: Maszoo until you hear what they're saying we can't play

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Speaker 4: for y'all.

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Speaker 3: It turned immediately.

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Speaker 4: I think there's so much of what we're fighting against

755
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: and protesting and people are carrying signs and banners and

756
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Speaker 4: bullhorns for that.

757
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Speaker 3: If a few of the elites, yeah, and by that I.

758
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Speaker 4: Mean people who actually made it's a professional leagues said

759
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Speaker 4: we're not going to do this with you until you

760
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 4: respect us in this way. I think that could be

761
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Speaker 4: well a general strike that that could at least kick

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Speaker 4: it off.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you then, because we've had this conversation,

764
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Speaker 1: how do you square that with Because somebody could argue

765
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Speaker 1: Jay Z's partnership with the NFL, he's providing entertainment for.

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Speaker 2: This, like does like how do you square that with?

767
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Speaker 11: Like?

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Speaker 1: Does he have a role to play in saying because

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Speaker 1: he said we're beyond protesting. You know, that was part

770
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Speaker 1: of the discord I think was he and Colin Kaepernick.

771
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Speaker 3: A small clip of what he said.

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Speaker 4: He said beyond kneeling, and I think he was talking

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Speaker 4: about I think he said right after that that it's

774
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Speaker 4: time to stand up and take us right.

775
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Speaker 1: But his intention was we were beyond what Colin Kaepernick

776
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Speaker 1: was doing. He was trying to take the next step.

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Speaker 1: In conversation with Colin Kaepernick, he has had pushback on that,

778
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Speaker 1: of course, But I wonder as we talk about that,

779
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Speaker 1: the people who are in a position like that, should

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Speaker 1: they be leading an effort to get athletes to stop

781
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Speaker 1: playing or leading an effort to provide aner tayment for

782
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl delivering a political political message. And it's

783
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Speaker 1: not either one and again or both in I agree,

784
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Speaker 1: and I think that what I'm saying is what we

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Speaker 1: keep doing.

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Speaker 4: And I really think this is where we shoot ourselves

787
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Speaker 4: in the proverbial foot. We keep trying to get one entity,

788
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 4: one person of influence, one person of power, to be

789
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: all things to all of us, and I don't think

790
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: that's their role.

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Speaker 9: There.

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Speaker 4: The people who would most likely be the most influential

793
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Speaker 4: with athletes to get them to sit down are the

794
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: veterans in the league. Are the people who they like,

795
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Speaker 4: the people who are the old heads in the league,

796
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Speaker 4: like they're yeah, they're they're veterans.

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Speaker 3: So, but I'm not talking about I see what you

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Speaker 3: think they're They're not.

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Speaker 4: They're no longer out of the military. I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: people who are old. And then also the people who

801
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 4: have tried it. It's been so long, but it would

802
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Speaker 4: have been like a Muhammad Ali. There are a lot

803
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Speaker 4: of folks who went back to learn from Muhammad Ali.

804
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Speaker 4: It would have been a Jim Brown before he changed.

805
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Speaker 4: I said, before he changed, what would have been those folks.

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Speaker 4: It's the it's the the John Carlos Is and the

807
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Speaker 4: Times Smith. Why did you take this approach? And what

808
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 4: did you sacrifice in doing that? And can I stomach that?

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Speaker 4: Am I brave enough to do?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I've seen by the top one percent ever, and certainly

812
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 5: not one towards the success. This is This is why

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00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 5: coon tycoons tycoons of industry, is why Henry Ford decided

814
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 5: that his best tactic was going to be to separate

815
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Speaker 5: the proletariat, to put one man who feels equal next

816
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 5: to this the other man that feels equal. Because in

817
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 5: my experience, having you know, watched these things, I don't

818
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Speaker 5: know that there's a lot of common cause between me

819
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Speaker 5: and the top one percent of athletes in this country

820
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Speaker 5: or the top earners who are largely who largely constitute

821
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Speaker 5: the who largely make up the players of the National

822
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 5: Basketball League. But I'm actually also not looking for enemies here.

823
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Speaker 5: I think we want friends on all sides.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, can't you see where.

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Speaker 9: It could drive?

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Speaker 3: Just let me just let me just ask you this

827
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Speaker 3: really quick. Can you see where the.

828
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Speaker 4: People who are the players are more like the laborers

829
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Speaker 4: and the owners are more like the heads of corporations? Well,

830
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Speaker 4: they are, they are they literally they literally have unions,

831
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Speaker 4: not at all.

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Speaker 5: Because regular people are usually unionizing over the ability to

833
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 5: put food on the table from one check to the next.

834
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Speaker 5: And I think when you sit at this is why

835
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Speaker 5: you know what folks are like? Well, what about athletes

836
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 5: such and such and such, And why wouldn't he be

837
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Speaker 5: against a ross holding a fund raiser for Trump because

838
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 5: he would be a guest and invited guests at such

839
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Speaker 5: a dinner. Because that's the that is the strata in

840
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Speaker 5: which people roll. And I just don't think that our

841
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: shared race can can, can can can any longer be

842
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 5: a topical connection between uh us as a group of people.

843
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 5: We we are not we are not advocating for the

844
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: same things in the tax bracket because we're not in

845
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 5: acted by the same things in the tax bracket. The

846
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: reason why I can see that fifty cent comes down

847
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: differently on his politics toward a bush or toward a

848
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 5: Trump and then where I could ever come down, it's

849
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 5: because we don't. Our pocketbooks don't look the same, our

850
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 5: checks don't look the same. And I think power corrupts absolutely,

851
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 5: and in this day and age, power is in so

852
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 5: many ways interpreted by your money, not by who you

853
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: can call them the cell phone necessarily, but by how

854
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 5: much money you have. That that's the trading card, that's

855
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: the currency. I think we have better if we could

856
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 5: get over this big issue of race. I think our

857
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: better cause is going to be toward the man or

858
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 5: the woman I'm standing next to earning similar amount to

859
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 5: being separated by superficial differences that are no differences at all,

860
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 5: and for them to wake up and realize that the

861
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 5: same enemy we're trying to withhold our services from are

862
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 5: the same ones who have their foot on your neck too.

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Speaker 5: And I just think it's harder for wealthy people to

864
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: see that with other wealthy people. I think it's an easier, easier, common,

865
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Speaker 5: a common reframe that working folks see in other working people.

866
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 5: But you know what, can I failed at this Booker T.

867
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Speaker 5: Washington failed that all of those who tried to move

868
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 5: this argument to be one of economics have almost always

869
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 5: failed at this, largely funded by the big pooh bahs

870
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 5: who have made the issue about race right. Every time

871
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: we talk about money, they want to talk about race.

872
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: Every time we have a share ground, they want to

873
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: change the narrative to one that's more superficial in nature

874
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 5: to keep us from grasping at the thing we know

875
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 5: we share.

876
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 9: The most that can.

877
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: I just say, this is why I love our conversations

878
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: because we all have very different perspectives. I don't know

879
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: that I have a perspective here, but I'm curious about

880
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: you all's perspective because I'm looking for guidance here.

881
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: This is not an area where I can lead.

882
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not either. I'm trying to figure out out.

883
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: But you say that, but you do.

884
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: I think you do have like charging orders like you

885
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: do say like here's what I think we should do

886
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: when people ask me.

887
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: I try because the things haven't worked.

888
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: But even even having an idea like here's what we

889
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: should try, I think that is something that's needed. Andrew,

890
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: you have like very clear positions on this. So I

891
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: just love when I get to listen on this podcast

892
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: and learn something. So I really learned from you guys,

893
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but Cary has to run the court. But

894
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: he's literally running back right now because it is time

895
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: for us to move along and finally get to that

896
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: conversation that we've talked about all show. Charlemagne the God

897
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: is going to join us for this conversation to talk

898
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: about anti black intellectualism and get his take.

899
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 12: I define an intellectual not based on how much a

900
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 12: person knows, but I define an intellectual as someone who

901
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 12: has a tremendous desire to know, someone who's incredibly curious,

902
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 12: someone who loves the question. And there are these curious

903
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 12: people with tremendous desires to know, who are incarcerated, who

904
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 12: are houseless, who are in c suites, who are in universities,

905
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 12: who are dropouts, they're everywhere. And these people who are

906
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 12: everywhere I define as intellectuals. And I define a black

907
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 12: intellectual as not only a black person with a tremendous

908
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 12: desire to know, but a black person who is seeking

909
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 12: to acquire knowledge for power. Not knowledge for knowledge's sake,

910
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 12: but knowledge for power's sake.

911
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 9: Man, that was powerful.

912
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 6: I mean I think that I think we all agree

913
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 6: he is the definition of an intellectual. And none other

914
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 6: than Ebram Candy. Shout out to my brother for always

915
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 6: speaking truth to power. Speaking of someone who I love

916
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 6: and a door speaks truth to power. Always very very curious.

917
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 6: We have none other than Charlemagne, the god I think Angela.

918
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 6: You call him by his full government, but I call

919
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 6: him Charlemagne. That's what we call him down in Monk's Quarter,

920
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 6: That's what we call him up and down twenty six.

921
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 6: So Charlemagne, welcome to the show, my brother. How you feel, Cary,

922
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 6: what's up, my brother?

923
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 9: How are you? I just heard your name. I was

924
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 9: with us ce Sue Williams earlier. He said your name.

925
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 6: Cecil Williams for y'all who don't know, is one of

926
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 6: the greatest civil rights photographers that we've ever seen. I

927
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 6: challenge everybody to google see Sir Williams and then check

928
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 6: out his museum. He had the legendary picture he just

929
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 6: walked New York Fashion Week and he has the picture

930
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: of him drinking out of a whites only water fountain.

931
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 6: And since we're doing something right here, make sure y'all

932
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 6: go and contribute to Cecil Williams Museum in Orangeburg, South Carolina.

933
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 6: It's those type of artifacts of relics of our community

934
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 6: that we need to make sure we support.

935
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: So can I Saycary, that's all that, Michael, Harriet's uncle,

936
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: all related to everybody and probably cousin.

937
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 5: But oh man, lucky to have you brother.

938
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: Well, so we had that much time.

939
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: So we we love you.

940
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 4: You know that we're nice to you. We're gonna keep going.

941
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: So you are here because we had a very interesting

942
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: exchange on our show last week and also over the weekend,

943
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 4: true to normal sibling chatter, we had conversations about you know,

944
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: where you thought we were right, where you thought we

945
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: were wrong. And I think really what it gives us

946
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: the opportunity to do is to back into uh, you

947
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: know device that exists across our community, from gender to

948
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 4: class to degree attainment to you know, who gets to

949
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 4: speak for who and what why you get to speak

950
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 4: for that person. And so I just thought it would

951
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: be a good thing to have you come on talk

952
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 4: about some of what you're hearing, some of what you

953
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 4: felt listening to our show, listening to the response on

954
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 4: Joe Budden's podcast on the other side of what was

955
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: a disagreement with Mark and Flip, and would love to

956
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: hear your thoughts on that and in broadening the conversation.

957
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, are we not going to

958
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 5: let the record reflect that we were just a peaceful

959
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 5: place for people to talk before Bakar joined this show, Yeah,

960
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: started fighting with everybody on every block. I just think,

961
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 5: you know, for historical record, we should put a pin

962
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 5: in it.

963
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I agree that is not misinformation. We got more fights everywhere,

964
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: and we fight each other.

965
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 6: B way to go.

966
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: Now you want to talk time out.

967
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 6: I just I just have to clarify the record as

968
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 6: we are doing this. I don't talk trash about people individually,

969
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 6: except even A because I go out too much in

970
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 6: these streets and I don't want to bump into people

971
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 6: in one of the dark corners in one of these bars.

972
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 9: I'd be able to get hit in the back of everybody.

973
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 9: I love everybody.

974
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 13: Go ahead, No, I mean, you know, sometimes I don't

975
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 13: even like to have a private conversations publicly. But you know,

976
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 13: when I first saw you know what y'all talked about

977
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 13: last week, I hit Angela and I was like, I

978
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 13: want to talk about what y'all was just speaking about,

979
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 13: not saying I want to talk about it on the show,

980
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 13: I said, I just want to talk to you personally.

981
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 13: And then you know, when I when I saw what

982
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 13: you know, Joe Budden said about it, I agreed with Joe,

983
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 13: you know, I felt like, you know, it came off,

984
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 13: you know, very elitists, you know, very Jack and Jill,

985
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 13: you know, very you know, I got my nose up.

986
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 9: At these these negroes over here.

987
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 13: And I don't think that, you know, you make any

988
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 13: you don't make any scribes and connecting community by by

989
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 13: by doing, by doing that conversation and the way the

990
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 13: way that it was done.

991
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 9: You know, I feel like, you know, whenever there's UH,

992
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 9: instead of.

993
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 13: Calling people out, sometimes you should, you should call people

994
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 13: in and and you know, the whole conversation around who's

995
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 13: an intellectual and who's not intellectual. My biggest issue with

996
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 13: it was, well, damn, you know, a person who's an

997
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 13: intellectual should look at the whole context of a situation

998
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 13: before they have a conversation about it. I feel like,

999
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 13: you know, Andrew said one of the strongest points last

1000
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 13: week when Andrew was like, I don't watch the show

1001
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 13: enough to have an opinion about it, you know, and

1002
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 13: then he said, and then he said, but I trust Mark,

1003
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 13: you know, being marked not to be in spaces where

1004
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 13: you know, he knows he needs to be in. And

1005
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 13: as I'm listening to the combent, I told Angela that

1006
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 13: even when she told me that y'all wanted to talk

1007
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 13: about it, it came up as a topic of discussion.

1008
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 13: I said, well, make sure you watch the whole thing

1009
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 13: in context before you just watch a clip of it

1010
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 13: and then you know, speak on it for the next

1011
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 13: twenty or thirty minutes, because to me, that's what an

1012
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 13: intellectual should do, right, Like, that's what an intelligent person

1013
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 13: should do. An intelligent person should get the whole context

1014
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 13: of something before they comment on it, instead of watching

1015
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 13: like two or three minutes or something and then actually

1016
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 13: taking to clip out of context. Because if you watch

1017
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 13: the clip in context, Mark was actually wrong. You know,

1018
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 13: if there's a right or wrong in this situation, Mark

1019
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 13: was actually the one who was who was wrong in

1020
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 13: that situation, so much so that he even came back

1021
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 13: and apologized, you know, the next week, and I just, yeah,

1022
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 13: I just did the conversation just really just it just

1023
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 13: kind of made me feel a way, like, damn, like

1024
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 13: that's how we look at each other as black can.

1025
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 4: I tif I want you to go here because this,

1026
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: this is TIFF's conversation. But I do want to oh no,

1027
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: but this was Tiffs's idea. Tiff is ready to claim that.

1028
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 4: And we're fine. We all weighed in, we all said

1029
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: what we said. But I have a quick question for you,

1030
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 4: and this is a focus group for this podcast. How

1031
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 4: many of you all were in Jack and Jail? Raise

1032
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: your hands? How many of you all or have any

1033
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 4: sorority or fraternity affiliation? Raise your hands? How many of

1034
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: you all are in the Links? I quit, I was

1035
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 4: in the links. How many of you all are in

1036
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 4: the Bulet? Raise your hands. I'm doing that because Andrew

1037
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 4: was the most relatable person to them, per their own commentary.

1038
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: And Andrew's the only one who was into Bulet. We

1039
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 4: are not even into Bulet, so we get label for

1040
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 4: stuff that we're not even in.

1041
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: But tipy, I didn't. I didn't hear Charlemagne say that.

1042
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 9: He didn't.

1043
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: He said Jack and Jail of y'all?

1044
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I yeah.

1045
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: But I want to say, uh, just to set the

1046
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: record straight, because I hear what Charlemagne is saying, and

1047
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of comments echoed that my personal

1048
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: background aside, I want to say that as a journalist,

1049
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: before I bring up anything on this show, I want

1050
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: our viewers to know I have indeed done my due diligence.

1051
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: So I didn't just watch the clip. How I prepared

1052
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: for that segment. I didn't pay for Patreon, but I

1053
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: did read the transcript of what happened. I even understood

1054
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: the word in question that was tricky was a lude.

1055
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: I understood that the conversation was about payment discrepancy. I

1056
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: spoke to Mark before I did the segment. I looked

1057
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: at literacy rates before I.

1058
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: Did this segment.

1059
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: I watched a few clips or not clips with segments,

1060
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: different segments from Joe Budden's podcasts before I did this segment.

1061
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: And I will say I stand by what I said.

1062
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: My perspectives and opinions don't sway in the winds of

1063
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: public opinion. Sometimes the cheese will stand alone. I do

1064
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: think there is very much a toxic landscape that is

1065
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: fueled by a lot of podcasts, Bros. But I definitely

1066
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: agree with you, Charlemagne. Before you have an interview with anybody,

1067
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: before you sit down and speak on something, I would

1068
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: advise anyone to be well informed. Rather it's politics, sports,

1069
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: anything like that, and so I don't think.

1070
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: That the issue was that.

1071
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: The collective was not well informed. I don't think that

1072
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: was my perspective. I think the issue that a lot

1073
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: of people felt is they felt attacked. And so I

1074
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: want to be clear that I wasn't saying who wasn't

1075
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: intellectual and who was not. My perspective was there is

1076
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: an anti intellectual movement ravaging the black community. I also

1077
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: want to be clear that I was not saying that

1078
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: no one should talk to Flip or Joe Budden. Certainly

1079
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: somebody should, someone should be reaching out to them. That's

1080
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: not my ministry. Things I care about are the incarcerated

1081
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: and puppies, most importantly pitbulls. I don't like that tens

1082
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: of thousands of them get euthanized every month. It breaks

1083
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: my heart. I think about the incarcerated all the time.

1084
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't want our Black men and women in prison

1085
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: thinking they're forgotten about. I think it's a bit arrogant

1086
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: to me to say Angela Bakari Andrew y'all should be

1087
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: talking to the incarcerated. That's not their ministry. But if

1088
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Speaker 1: Angela feels like no, those are the people, or U Sharman,

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00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: if you feel like, no, those are the very people

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00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: I want to be speaking to. Then, by all means,

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00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: go do that. I'm saying, it's hard to fill a

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00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: cup that's already full. So if I'm telling you something

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00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: and you're insulting me from my intelligence, I don't need

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00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: to be where fools gather. So I stand on what

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00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: I say said. I'm not disrespecting any of them, but

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Speaker 1: I just want to be clear our viewers know. I

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00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: never come on this podcast ever without being very well

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00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: informed and researched and fact checked, and FactCheck is not

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00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: a thirty second Google search before I come on this show.

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of work to prepare for anything

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Speaker 1: I introduce, and I would hope that we all do that.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 13: If it's interesting you say you like talking to the incarcerated,

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Speaker 13: Like who do you think they incarcerated or are listening to?

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 13: Like they incarcerated are listening to things like the Joe

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00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 13: Budden podcast, Like they're listening to, you know, places like

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 13: the Breakfast Club, Like that's who they're actually tuning into.

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Speaker 13: I know because I go speak at the jails. I

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 13: was at right gu Island a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 13: with Shaka Sin Koor. You know, I know when you

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 13: know these brothers from Rikers Island are writing into the

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00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 13: breakfast club and telling me, like you know, what they

1113
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 13: like to listen to, what they like to read. So

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 13: if you are trying to reach the incarcerated, you got

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00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 13: to go where the incarcerated is that.

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Speaker 1: I go directly into the prisons as well through a

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: teaching program and also through a journalism program I've talked

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Speaker 1: about here. Prison journalism is a project that I support.

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: So I'm not necessarily trying to talk to Joe Budden

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Speaker 1: to talk to the incarcerated. I'm trying to talk directly

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00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: to the incarcerated.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to air.

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Speaker 1: Out anybody's business, but I got people in my immediate

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Speaker 1: family who are the incarcerated, which is another thing I

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Speaker 1: think it's important for people to understand.

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Speaker 11: I am not.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that intellect has anything to do with degrees, pedigree,

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Speaker 1: how much money you make, because I saw a lot

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00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: of comps they all make more money than you. I

1130
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: know a lot of rich fools, and I know a

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00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: lot of degreed idiots. I've sat across from tables of

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00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: CEOs who I did not find terribly intelligent. I went

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: to school with a lot of debutantes that I don't

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00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: find terribly intelligent. It's not ass to them, but I

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00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily put them in that category either. I think

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00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: it's important. I just want people to know I don't

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: come from I wasn't born with a silver spoon in

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Speaker 1: my mouth.

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00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: I am my family right now.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm not of that world. And I don't

1141
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: think you know what we called like elitism. I don't

1142
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: necessarily think being of that world is a bad thing.

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't also don't believe in putting people down because

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: you did grow up privileged, or because you did have

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01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: parents who have multiple degrees or money, that none of

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01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: these things.

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Speaker 2: Makes you a bad person.

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Speaker 6: To me.

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Speaker 1: What I find frustrating is when you are not receptive

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01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: or curious. I don't need to talk to people wherever

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: you are, whatever your background is. If you're not receptive

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01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: or curious, then you are likely not my audience and

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01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm likely not yours. I am curious about things. I

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01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: can learn from anybody, but I don't necessarily respect everybody's opinion,

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: and I don't think all the people say I respect

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 1: everybody's opinion.

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Speaker 2: You'se a lie, I don't believe that.

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Speaker 9: Go ahead, can you?

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Speaker 13: Can you be intellectually curious without respecting everybody's opinion.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're looking at somebody who's intellectually curious without respecting everybody.

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Speaker 13: Because I consider myself intellectually and curious. So I'm the

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01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 13: type of person that I'm gonna hear you out. You know,

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Speaker 13: I may not want to hear you again, but I'm

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01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 13: at least take the opportunity to live listen to you

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Speaker 13: at least one time.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a gentleman by the name of Corey. He

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: is a lovely person. He happens to be schizophrenic and homeless,

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01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: and he's in the front of my building, and he

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: has an opinion on everything. And I sit there and

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Speaker 1: chat with Corey sometimes just because he's so nice and

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01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: so sweet, and I give him bread because he lightly

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Speaker 1: feed the birds. I don't respect Corey's opinion on anything.

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01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: He got opinion on the financial systems and the banks

1174
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Speaker 1: and all the things that he wants to tell me about.

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Speaker 1: I'm nice to him, I'm kind to him, I give

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Speaker 1: him bread. I would be lying to you to say

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Speaker 1: I respect Corey's opinion when I have interest you had to.

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Speaker 9: Speak to him, you had to speak to him at

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01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 9: least one time to understand him.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can speak to anybody. I'm never saying I

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: don't speak to anybody. But once I ascertain, oh, you

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: are not a curious person, once you are saying things

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01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: to me like you're using tricky words, and this isn't

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: just a center flipping that conversation, because I'm really trying

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01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: to broaden this out into anybody who's incurious. Once you

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: are clear to me that you are not curious about

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Speaker 1: what I have to say. And I would inter myself

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: when I would interview different like men on the street

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Speaker 1: interviews during the Obama race, and people would say the

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: most ignorant things to me, or when you would hear

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01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: lazy reporters go out to Trump rallies and they would say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know Obama gave Iran millions of dollars. You know

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: he's in cahoots with Iran and he's a Muslim. I

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: don't respect your opinion anymore now, like you sound like

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01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: a fool, And I'm giving you reason right there in

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01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: real time, challenging you. But I can't fill a cup

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Speaker 1: that's already for so now, No, I don't respect your opinion.

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Speaker 1: And Bacari said, this is South Carolina saying, but I

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Speaker 1: think all black folks say this. If I'm arguing with

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Speaker 1: a fool from a distance, you can't tell the difference.

1201
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't need to be where fools gather. If somebody

1202
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: else feels called to say no, it is my ministry

1203
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: to go inform, to go educate this.

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Speaker 2: Particular group of people. I would never shit on that, Like,

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01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: that's just not even my way. I'm like, live and

1206
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: let live go do it. That's just not what I

1207
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: choose to do.

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Speaker 13: I understand. I guess the issue comes in. I can't

1209
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 13: believe I'm on here defending the Joe Budden podcast us, right,

1210
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 13: But but I guess the issue is I don't think

1211
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 13: fools go together at the Joe Budden Podcast, Like, I

1212
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 13: don't think anybody I never say that for the record, Yeah,

1213
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 13: I don't think anybody in that room.

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01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 6: Is a fool.

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 13: And I also feel like, you know, we should be

1216
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 13: happy that people like Mark Lamont Hill want to be

1217
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 13: on big black platforms. I think that's the biggest problem

1218
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 13: I have right now, is that you know, we tend

1219
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 13: to knock, you know, certain platforms when what we should

1220
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 13: be doing is infiltrating those platforms.

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Speaker 9: Like you know, I know everybody likes to you know,

1222
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 9: go as Steven A. Smith.

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Speaker 13: I want to see more black elected officials, more black politicians,

1224
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 13: you know, uh, more black spiritual leaders, more black activists,

1225
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 13: more black people with something to say about black issues,

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 13: go on platforms like Steven A. Smith, because all the

1227
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Speaker 13: white elected officials are taking advantage of it.

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: They're taking advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: They're laughing at a fool that when people like about

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01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: because I think that's such an important point. White politicians

1231
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: are going on there because they are elevating him to

1232
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: a position and they only do this specifically in the

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: black community. They are elevating him into a position that

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: he did not earn. He is an expert in sports,

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01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: and so you will have white people all the time

1236
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: pluck an entertainer, right, well, he whatever he expert in,

1237
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: is not politics, it's.

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01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: Not policy, and.

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01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 9: He has an audience.

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: An audience does not equate to intellect, if we can.

1241
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that what you have to say about

1242
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: about defendence, go ahead.

1243
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not saying it does.

1244
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 13: I'm just saying these audience, these these black people who

1245
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 13: have these large audiences. Instead of sitting on the sidelines

1246
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 13: complaining about them having a large audience and who didn't

1247
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 13: learn what how.

1248
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 9: About go on that platform and deliver some of that truth?

1249
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 13: Are some of that intellect that you have to his audience,

1250
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 13: Like even if you sit around and you talk about

1251
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 13: you know, you saying about the person that you that

1252
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 13: sits outside of a stoop and they have a lot

1253
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 13: of misinformation, are you talking about the people that were

1254
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 13: saying the things about Obama? Those people will continue to

1255
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 13: have misinformation if somebody doesn't go to them and inform them.

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01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: But this was the point that miss, let me, let

1257
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: me just respond, please, This is the point that maybe you, miss,

1258
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I'm trying to inform you, when I'm saying, no,

1259
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: that is actually not true about Obama, and somebody say

1260
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: yes it is because Okay, you are not curious at that.

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: You are not right.

1262
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: I can't feel your bucket is full. You don't want

1263
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: to hear what I have to say. Number two, I'm

1264
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: not complaining about anyone having a large audience. I'm complaining

1265
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: about who his audience is. He has a large audience

1266
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: of mostly conservative, white folks, and they are treating him.

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Speaker 4: This is no.

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Speaker 9: Tiffany.

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Speaker 13: Do you have statistics that say Stephen A. Smith's audience

1270
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 13: is majority conservatives?

1271
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: I do Nielsen ratings or his ESPN show. Nielsen Ratings

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01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: qualifies that.

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01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 9: Well, no, that's the ESPN. I'm talking about his podcast

1274
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 9: because most of the time of these funerals, I don't.

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01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know his podcast. I just know he built

1276
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: his audience on a majority of white people. So I

1277
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: don't and I would I would love to dig into

1278
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to come on here next week because

1279
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: I would love somebody to prove to me that his

1280
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: audience is a majority of black people.

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 13: That's a feeling, but that's a fact. So does that

1282
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 13: make you anti intellectual because you're spewing feelings?

1283
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna respond to It's literally five minutes

1284
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: left in the conversation. I want to respond to what

1285
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: he said. Weigh in, but I'm going to respond to

1286
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: this he said, that's a feeling or an opinion. Not necessarily,

1287
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: it's somewhat informed because if you look at who his audience,

1288
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: how he built his audience, the suggestion that a majority

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01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: of his audience would be comprised of black people is

1290
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: not a well informed one. It's it's logic to say

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: most of his audience are white people. Are you suggesting

1292
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: that most of his audience are black people.

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Speaker 13: I don't know what most of his audience is, but

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 13: I know I started, you know, reading steven A's columns

1295
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 13: when he was writing for the Philadelphia Inquirer, when he

1296
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 13: was covering Allen obviously way back in the day, and

1297
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 13: then I followed him the cold pizzin first Take and

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01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 13: everything else. I think that this new, you know, political

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01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 13: Stephen A with a conservative audience is relatively new, so

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01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 13: I would before these white people were talking about him.

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Speaker 13: It was majority black people in the barbershop that was

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Speaker 13: talking about steven A. But I'm just talking about the

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Speaker 13: audience in general. Like you said Mark la mont Hill

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Speaker 13: shouldn't be on Joe budden show, why you actually said

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Speaker 13: You actually said he should be on CNN.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So that's the difference between saying he should not

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Speaker 1: be on Joe Budden. I'm saying he should be on

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Speaker 1: CNN because he should have never gotten fired from CNN.

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01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: If Mark is happy on Joe Budden's podcast, more power

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Speaker 1: to it. What I said was they lack an understanding

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Speaker 1: of Mark. I felt like he's disrespected on that podcast

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Speaker 1: based on clips that I had seen what Angela said,

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01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: and Angela caught a lot of strays for things I said,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to be clear. What Angela reference was

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: a moment where they dismissed his humanity on that show

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Speaker 1: when he talked about his friends being killed in Palestine.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that is based on what I've seen.

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Speaker 1: I do think that is a consistent, consistent pattern where

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Speaker 1: I do feel like Mark is not necessarily well received there.

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Speaker 2: But Angela once again, other people.

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Speaker 9: I just I will say Joe did apologize.

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Speaker 3: It's more than just you two in here.

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Speaker 2: Just you got a hard out, but you get these

1324
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Speaker 2: dudes in here.

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Speaker 9: I know, but Joe is crazy, But Joe did apologize

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Speaker 9: for that moment.

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Speaker 3: I get to all that if we sort I want.

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Speaker 2: We can continue, Charlene, and.

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Speaker 4: To be continued, you trying to talk twenty minutes ago,

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Speaker 4: I got to like one, you got time got.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 6: I was just appreciating watching the mini pod that.

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Speaker 1: I know, the Invisible Man, Robert's a good conversation.

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Speaker 6: It was it was all right, the only the only uh,

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Speaker 6: My only criticism of us, I think as we approach

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Speaker 6: these discussions is that we are part of that intellectual

1337
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 6: curiosity that we all must have. We must be able

1338
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 6: to accept criticism without necessarily being defensive, and that being

1339
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 6: our immediate posture to it. And one of the things

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Speaker 6: that I saw in the comments, and one of the

1341
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Speaker 6: things that I saw when Joe Button was making those comments,

1342
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Speaker 6: is we want to be individuals that people come to.

1343
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 6: It's in our phrase, it's welcome home, that feel as

1344
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 6: if there is a comfort level to come in to

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 6: our doors and hear the things we have to say,

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Speaker 6: and whether or not we're talking about it from a

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 6: respect perspective or intellect perspective. I think that throughout that conversation,

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Speaker 6: it's not that we can't sit out here and be like,

1349
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry you felt that way, because that's like human

1350
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 6: gut gas lighting. We have to acknowledge that there were

1351
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Speaker 6: people who felt foreclosed from a conversation because of our tone,

1352
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 6: ten or vocabulary. And how do we make sure that

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01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 6: these are some of the people that we do want

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Speaker 6: to reach, or at least I want to reach. That

1355
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 6: may not be everybody's ministry, but I would like to meet.

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Speaker 6: I would like to have some of those listeners from

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Speaker 6: Joe that are like, you know, maybe maybe we can

1358
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Speaker 6: come over there too, maybe there's an hour we can

1359
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Speaker 6: spend there too, And that may never happen, but uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, that's just kind of my perspective on it.

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Speaker 6: And I feel like the only other thing that I

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Speaker 6: felt was like weird, and I know we don't do that,

1363
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Speaker 6: and we fixed it, but I was glad that we

1364
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Speaker 6: didn't necessarily stick with using you know that Joe Button

1365
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 6: in the title and y'all had my face. It was handsome,

1366
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Speaker 6: but we had like Joe Button in the title.

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Speaker 3: On you get to that be don't be trying to

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Speaker 3: scoop me be.

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Speaker 9: I told Angela that too.

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Speaker 6: I was like, you know what I'm it was first,

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Speaker 6: but it was my face and I didn't know, and

1372
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Speaker 6: I just felt like I just felt like, right, damn.

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Speaker 5: Description, because I don't have no no problem.

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Speaker 3: So we had our thumbnail.

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Speaker 4: What but car is talking about is the thumbnail for

1376
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 4: last week's show, said Joe Button's podcast and the dumbing

1377
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Speaker 4: down of America and Bacari's standing there in the middle

1378
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 4: getting the haze up.

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Speaker 3: He did for another too much, so he was in

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Speaker 3: the middle of it, and I think that what what

1381
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Speaker 3: we did wrong, and I do want to.

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Speaker 4: I do want to apologize to Joe Button's cast, to

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Speaker 4: their team, to their production company for that title. I'm

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 4: an EP on this show and so I own that wholeheartedly.

1385
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Speaker 4: We should have titled it differently. Maybe they wouldn't have

1386
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 4: looked at it. But they they got us back. They

1387
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Speaker 4: got the whole podcast taken down for copyright and fishment

1388
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Speaker 4: because we actually used their clip. They only took that

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Speaker 4: clip out. It's still under challenge. We reposted it without

1390
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Speaker 4: the clip, but I would just say to them, well played.

1391
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Speaker 4: But I do apologize for titling the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we should for that purpose though. I mean, the

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01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 5: conversation we had was about the dumbing down.

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Speaker 4: But I think that what they took offense to is

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Speaker 4: that it looked like we were saying that they are

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Speaker 4: responsible for the dummy.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all apologize, thanks Tiff.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't apologize one. I don't necessarily credit all

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01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 5: of us with wanting to be curious. I think we

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 5: have to declare that for ourselves and then act that

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01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 5: way if it's a true statement.

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 7: Too.

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 5: Typically, I'm never confused about what perspective you're coming from,

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 5: because you kind of stated very clearly every time you

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 5: say a thing, and it is often clear, I think

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 5: to the audience. You know how you'll have relatives or

1407
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 5: uncles or friends who you're like, they don't suffer fools Like,

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01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 5: that's just not the uncle you're gonna go to to

1409
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 5: bring up that kind of mess with. And I don't

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Speaker 5: necessarily take offense from that uncle. I just know what

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 5: I'm getting when I walk in the door, that that's

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Speaker 5: not the one who's gonna play with Nichols with me.

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01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 5: He don't believe woulden Nichols are wooden, and therefore we're

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 5: not gonna play a game with the where the where

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Speaker 5: the Nikels are wooden? Tiff, You're kind of that for

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 5: me as it relates to this show. And I don't

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Speaker 5: think you hold yourself out there as being something that's

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 5: you're not one either curious about the things that are

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01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 5: incurious to you. That's not to say you're not curious

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Speaker 5: about things, but things that you've determined to be in

1421
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 5: curious to you. You don't want to go the next

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Speaker 5: layer layer. And if many of us are being honest,

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Speaker 5: there's some people we're not gonna waste time with or

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01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 5: issues upon because it doesn't say she had us in

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Speaker 5: any way, form or fashion. And I wish more of

1426
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 5: us would frankly be honest about that part of ourselves,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm not going to feign curious. I'm not going

1428
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 5: to and curious. I'm not going to feign interested and

1429
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 5: what it is that everybody has to say because I'm

1430
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Speaker 5: not that isn't necessarily my personal testimony. My personal testimony

1431
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 5: is sort of closer to that, to that tank half

1432
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 5: empty versus half full scenario. If you have room in

1433
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Speaker 5: your brain, if you've got room in the conversation for

1434
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 5: what I have to contribute, and I mean legitimately, then

1435
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 5: I feel like this is a conversation I can stay

1436
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 5: a part of. But if it becomes very clear to

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 5: me there's no room here for what I have to contribute,

1438
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 5: no matter in what way or at what level of

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01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 5: substance I do it, then it's a waste of all

1440
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 5: of our times for us to continue that going on.

1441
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 5: I'm actually I didn't know we were at a war

1442
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 5: of words with other podcasts till this morning. My brother

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 5: told me he's a subscriber to Patrina Patreon Patreon, and

1444
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 5: he was like, I was about to cancel my subscription

1445
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 5: if they were go come at you. And I was like,

1446
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Speaker 5: who are you talking about, because I don't even know

1447
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 5: who Patreon is. And then you know, we get in

1448
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 5: the dialogue and he's telling me who is what, and

1449
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, we said something, but it was a

1450
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 5: response to this. That and the third I say that

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Speaker 5: to say, I know, we feel like these things are

1452
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 5: much bigger than what they really are in the in

1453
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 5: the scale and in the frame of the world to everybody,

1454
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 5: but it isn't that serious to a lot of people.

1455
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 5: I hope we can keep this sort of at that level.

1456
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 5: One of the most brilliant things I heard at the

1457
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 5: opening of this topic was from Brother Abram ken Deing,

1458
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 5: where he basically was like he considers the intellectual you know,

1459
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 5: sort of the intellectual drivers and thinkers of our day,

1460
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 5: to be the ones who are the most curious. And

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Speaker 5: I thought that was beautiful. And I think it's beautiful

1462
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 5: to the extent that it leads to a pathway of

1463
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 5: greater understanding. But I'm also not down for going on

1464
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 5: the platform that's the largest I don't know that we

1465
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 5: find ourselves in competition in those places, partly because I'm

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 5: not sure what made you the largest. I'm looking around

1467
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 5: at some people's numbers. I'm like, well, God, who juiced

1468
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 5: this machine to make this the outcome. I just think

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Speaker 5: we ought to go places that allow us to be ourselves,

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Speaker 5: that allow us to state truth. And yes, the truth

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Speaker 5: can be challenged, but it's still mine if I've expressed it,

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Speaker 5: and then that has some intellectual honesty that they're not

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 5: gas like men. I'm not gaslighting you to think that

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Speaker 5: the thing is when it really isn't. And if some

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Speaker 5: of those norms can be absorbed, then all cool, Great,

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 5: I'm taking this hot ass sweat off.

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Speaker 9: I agree with the last thing you said, Andrew.

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Speaker 5: I think that you know the one thing off and

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Speaker 5: Floyd in the summertime, I.

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Speaker 13: Think the one thing that would keep me from going

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01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 13: to a place is it's not if it's not a

1482
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 13: good faith conversation. Absolutely, that's the one thing that keep

1483
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 13: me from going to a place. But you said something else.

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 13: You said, people that allow you I think was the

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 13: first thing you said, people that allow you to be

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Speaker 13: who you are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that you don't have to change codes to like

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01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 5: show up.

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Speaker 9: That that's on you.

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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 12: No, no, no, no no.

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 5: What I mean by that is you're not welcomed and

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 5: you're not legitimated in the space unless you're splitting certain

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 5: verbs in that verbs, unless you're laying down lines, you know,

1494
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 5: like you're laying down a track. And I'm just saying

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 5: to the extent that that is the environment that's created

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Speaker 5: or else you're debased or legitimized in the audit, in

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Speaker 5: the eyes of the people you're in discourse with. Then

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Speaker 5: it can't be an honest and intellectual conversation in my opinion,

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Speaker 5: like I can't, but you can't.

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Speaker 9: Want me to.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, beca you. If you express a different thought,

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01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 5: it's totally cool. All I'm saying is is I don't

1503
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 5: want to feel outside of myself in order to enter

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 5: You're right, that is completely controlled by me, Charlemagne, whether

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 5: I feel in or outside of myself. I don't want

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01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 5: the pressure to be outside of myself in order for

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 5: me to fill at home in the conversation. And I

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01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 5: can be outside of myself, I can be in environments

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01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 5: that are completely different every day of the week. I've

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01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 5: done that. I've run for election in one of the

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Speaker 5: most incurious states I think out there right in so

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01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 5: many ways, so it's not unlike me to be in

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Speaker 5: those places. I've never felt the pressure, however, to show

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 5: up as something that I'm that I'm that I'm not.

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01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 5: And so so long as the conversation can stay legit

1516
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 5: on those various planks, we're good to go. And if

1517
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 5: they can't, I'm not likely going there anyway.

1518
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 6: I just I for me personally, I think that I

1519
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 6: want to stand on something I said earlier, which is

1520
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 6: that in a portion of being intellectually curious, is you

1521
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 6: cannot be above reproach from criticism, understanding that criticism, and

1522
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 6: at least at least sitting in it for a moment

1523
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 6: to see whether or not it's something that can make

1524
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 6: you better, or it's something you cast aside. Is it

1525
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 6: constructive or is it destructive? But the other thing is,

1526
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 6: and I think this is where I'm somewhat disagreeing with

1527
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 6: with with my brother Andrew, is that I have this

1528
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 6: unique belief that Andrew Gillam is the most talented political

1529
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 6: communicator official that I've ever been around. And I say

1530
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 6: that with a great deal of humility, because I think

1531
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 6: I'm really really good at this right and Andrew. But

1532
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 6: Andrew is the only person that I can say that

1533
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 6: I've been around and be like, man, buddy better than

1534
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 6: me at this, Like he gets it, he conceptualized it,

1535
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 6: he puts policy, and he can go and articulate. And

1536
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 6: that is one of the major reasons I disagree with

1537
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 6: you in Tiffany's kind of a thesis here, because I

1538
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 6: think we're missing the moment where it's incumbent upon us

1539
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 6: to meet people where they are. We have a skill

1540
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 6: set and this is not this is not some anti

1541
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 6: intellectual putting us on another play, But I believe that

1542
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 6: there is a skill set which is measured for this moment,

1543
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 6: something that I don't even think that the Chuck Schumer's

1544
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 6: and the King Jeffries, et cetera. Have, But for this

1545
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 6: particular moment where we it's incumbent upon us in a

1546
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 6: responsibility to meet people where they are, and we can't

1547
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 6: disregard who those people are or disregard the platform upon

1548
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 6: which we may meet them. And so I just feel

1549
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 6: that to be a part of the responsibility, even with

1550
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 6: the skill set and talent that I hold all of

1551
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 6: you all up to have, but I just think that

1552
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 6: was important for me to couch Andrew in that discussion,

1553
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 6: so one he knows how I feel about him. But

1554
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 6: to the reason that I say that, yeah, I get

1555
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,480
Speaker 6: it right. This shit may be hard, it may be uncomfortable,

1556
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 6: They may not even give you the benefit of their humanity.

1557
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 6: But oftentimes you're not even talking to that individual. You're

1558
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 6: talking to that impressurable mind. That may be somebody that

1559
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 6: you can change, even slightly, if it's a city council race,

1560
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 6: or it's a proposition or whatever it may be. And

1561
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 6: I think we miss that sometimes, understanding that, yeah, protecting

1562
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 6: our piece is something we have to do, but understanding

1563
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 6: your skill set, God's responsibility, the platform we have, I

1564
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 6: would just say in synopsis, never be above reproach to

1565
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 6: criticism and to you know, I think that we have

1566
01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:59,959
Speaker 6: to accept the challenge of meeting people.

1567
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 9: With Are are we using the word intellectual wrong?

1568
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 13: Because because what y'all should be saying is academic, right,

1569
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 13: Because intellectual is just to be able to think, reason

1570
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 13: and understand objectively.

1571
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: Right.

1572
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 13: Like I think what y'all are saying is y'all y'all

1573
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 13: are talking about academics like anybody. Joe is an intellectual.

1574
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 13: Joe Budden is one of the most prolific rappers ever.

1575
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 13: Joe Joe probably got a better macabulat.

1576
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 9: Than all of us. Stop card, Joe Budden can rap

1577
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 9: his ass off.

1578
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 5: Now you're about to make this man hate me because

1579
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 5: I'm about to be.

1580
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 9: Remember from the one song, But y'all remember Joe from

1581
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 9: the podcast. I remember Joe from Rappings. But I'm just

1582
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 9: saying why.

1583
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 3: Leonard think he older than us. Y'all just know him

1584
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 3: from the podcast.

1585
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 11: I know him when he had.

1586
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 6: Because you and Leonard are the same age and the

1587
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 6: rest of us are young.

1588
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 4: First of all, you're younger junior down Andrew, you've been

1589
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 4: trying to get in.

1590
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 5: After that, I want to get back to quick, which

1591
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 5: was simply say I haven't disqualified any platform. In particular.

1592
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 5: I talked about a couple of planks that I need

1593
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 5: to be in place for me to be anywhere, and

1594
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 5: that's not to disqualify a place. And I and I

1595
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 5: and I generically think that, yeah, it does require. All

1596
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 5: communication requires at a certain level, meeting people where they

1597
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 5: are if each side is going to be heard. I

1598
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 5: just don't always. I don't always. That doesn't always equal

1599
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 5: to me the glass half empty side of the equation

1600
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 5: every time. Meeting people where they are doesn't require them

1601
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 5: dumbing down or me smartening up necessarily. The way I

1602
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 5: consider what it means to meet somebody where they are

1603
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 5: is to see that their situation and circumstances might be

1604
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 5: right just like mine, or it might be or me

1605
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 5: maybe the up too, so opposite side of where I am,

1606
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 5: and they still deserve what is a respectful exchange, you know,

1607
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 5: off jump, I people don't have to use the same

1608
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 5: vocabulary as me. For us, we meet met each other

1609
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 5: where we are. We don't have to go to the

1610
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 5: same schools. And I've never credentialed myself by education. I

1611
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 5: think I probably carry the lowest amongst it, amongst my

1612
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 5: siblings who have been educated, amongst my friend base who

1613
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 5: have been educated, so.

1614
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 9: That you don't count anyway.

1615
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 5: On that point. So I don't think those are righteous

1616
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 5: criteria in my opinion. I don't think your degrees are

1617
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 5: righteous criteria for me. I don't think where your parents

1618
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 5: come from, what was before and after your name or

1619
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 5: righteous criteria for me. My criteria are much more a

1620
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 5: humane and basic level of entry than that.

1621
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 4: So if we're saying, Leonard, you raised that you thought

1622
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 4: we were saying we met academic when we said intellectual,

1623
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 4: and I don't think any of us think that. Is

1624
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 4: there a way that we're defining And I'm saying we

1625
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 4: are very loosely because we all clearly have very different

1626
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 4: opinions here, But is there a way that you're hearing

1627
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 4: any of us describe or define intellectual that is striking

1628
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 4: you as more actandemic?

1629
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: And if you can't explain that, that would be helpful.

1630
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 9: I mean, I think the whole conversation.

1631
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 13: But that's what's so interesting because Mark isn't on that

1632
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 13: show to be an academic, you know what I'm saying,

1633
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 13: Marcus on that show talking about pop culture, Marcus on

1634
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 13: that show talking about you know, women like he's just

1635
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 13: talking about regular things that they would normally be talking

1636
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 13: on that show.

1637
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 9: And then when the conversation, you know, turns to something

1638
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 9: that might be around.

1639
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 13: Social justice or you know, activism or you know politics,

1640
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,879
Speaker 13: then he comes in and he's Mark Lamont Hill to academic.

1641
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 13: But I think a lot of us look at Mark

1642
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 13: a certain way, and so you think that's what Mark

1643
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 13: is doing on when it's not.

1644
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 9: That's why I say him and Flip can have that brotherly,

1645
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 9: you know, kurk.

1646
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 13: Fuffle that back and forth because that's how they they

1647
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 13: get down on the show, like they talk about things

1648
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 13: that happen behind the scenes, they bring it to the

1649
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 13: podcast and they're able to have those type of interactions.

1650
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 13: But that wasn't an academic debate like to where where

1651
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 13: Mark was using some you know, fifteen letter words and

1652
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 13: Flip was confused about the words.

1653
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 9: That was that was just some nigga ship.

1654
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we talked about that because I heard from

1655
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: a lot of men who are Joe Budden podcast listeners,

1656
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: and what they said to me, Leonard is there are

1657
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 1: so few spaces for black men to gather. There are

1658
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: so few spaces where black men can go and exhale

1659
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: and be themselves. And what they said is, you know

1660
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 1: that Mark Lamont Hill and Flip exchange is so common.

1661
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: They're like Tiffany. That's happening everywhere across barbershops right now,

1662
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: on street corners, everywhere. And the intimation was, and I

1663
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: receive it, but the intimation was, you were weighing in

1664
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: on something that you don't touch. You're weighing in on

1665
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: a culture of that exists between black men that you

1666
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly what they said, I'm from we.

1667
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 4: Now apparently share a vagina, were the same person, and

1668
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 4: why all of what Tiff said. I also said, they

1669
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 4: can't even distinguish between the two us because they're like,

1670
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 4: why y'all in the.

1671
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: Angel caught a lot of straits or things I said,

1672
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: But I did receive what black men were saying, and

1673
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: they were saying, like, don't you do some like, you know,

1674
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: ignorant shit because they acknowledge, like, yeah, some ignoran shit

1675
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: on that show, But so what is our ignorant shit?

1676
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: And it's for us?

1677
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 13: And you know, no, I didn't look at it as

1678
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 13: a gender thing at all. It was literally just just

1679
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 13: a black Yeah, it was just it was just a

1680
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 13: black community thing.

1681
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 5: To me.

1682
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 13: It was like, yo, man, if we're trying to build community,

1683
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 13: and we need community.

1684
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 9: Now more than ever. Like, it's not even about knocking

1685
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 9: the platform.

1686
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 13: I don't think you should knock the platform, but don't

1687
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 13: don't knock Mark's role on that platform, because I think

1688
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 13: Mark's role on that platform is very important.

1689
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 9: I think when you got there, when.

1690
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 13: You command the type of audience that you know, Joe

1691
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 13: Budden has for all the type of issues that will

1692
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 13: be you know coming up and have been coming up

1693
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 13: over the last ten months, and we'll.

1694
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 9: Be coming up for the next few years. You need

1695
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 9: somebody like him.

1696
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 5: And that just beef with our conversation about it was

1697
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 5: I felt like we may have positioned marks like the

1698
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 5: guy fighting out of the corner, you know, the keep,

1699
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 5: and I was thinking, which is why I said, I

1700
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 5: wish we could interpret what we think is being said.

1701
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 5: And I think where we into the conversation was like

1702
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 5: each of those men knew exactly what was being said,

1703
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 5: what shot was being fired across which bow, and they

1704
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 5: were prepared to meet each other at that respective place.

1705
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 5: There were no fools, there were no there was no

1706
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 5: confusion about the words exchange or anything like that. I

1707
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 5: just felt like each man met the moment for for

1708
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 5: what they had going on, for the exchange that was

1709
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 5: going on. And I heard directly from a good friend

1710
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 5: of mine, he's a lawyer. Came it was family home

1711
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 5: company rescued me out of my corpse of a house

1712
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 5: and basically was like, look, man, I'm just saying I

1713
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 5: know it's something shit don't listening to. That's why I

1714
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 5: listened to it. And at the same token, he's subscribing

1715
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 5: to NPR every morning, and it's listening, you know, so

1716
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,480
Speaker 5: it doesn't even have to be a fight of amongst hedgemonds,

1717
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 5: Like I'm listening to the smartest thing versus the thing

1718
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 5: you're listening to. It's not how you got downe with

1719
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 5: it at all. It was like it's some nigga ship

1720
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 5: and I love it and that's why I listened to it.

1721
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 5: But I love y'all too, and I listened to that

1722
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 5: on the Native Lamp podcast. And that's the thing that

1723
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: I guess frustrates me the most awesome. Yeah, every I

1724
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 5: know y'all, single one of y'all. I'm here in the

1725
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 5: corner like I don't even know what we signed up.

1726
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 13: Even when you look at even when you look at

1727
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 13: the conversation that was happening, Look how the audience is interested.

1728
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 13: There's people who listen to Native who listen to Joe,

1729
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 13: people who listen to Joe who listened to the Native land.

1730
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 13: So that lets you know that Joe y'all are not

1731
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 13: far from each other in any way shape of fact.

1732
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 9: Thing that I think that was my money that was

1733
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 9: that was you.

1734
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 3: Need to get the briefing on not cutting people off

1735
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 3: in the middle of it.

1736
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 6: I mean if I if I don't cut nobody off, yeah,

1737
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 6: it'll just be tiffing and Angelo over and talking about

1738
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 6: I should want like.

1739
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 2: At that point, go ahead, Lena, you are the way.

1740
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 3: Listen, he has a heart out.

1741
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Bakari, and then we'll go ahead, Bakari, and

1742
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: then Leonardo closes.

1743
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 6: Now I just want to make sure. I want to

1744
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 6: make sure that listeners know that I don't think we

1745
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 6: say this and I definitely don't believe it that there

1746
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 6: is a huge gulf between you know, what goes on

1747
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 6: over there and where we are and if it is

1748
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 6: a golf Hopefully the conversations we can have, we can

1749
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 6: have them on a certain level, that we can bring

1750
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 6: communities together in the spirit of welcome home instead of

1751
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 6: drive people apart that that is the only thing that

1752
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 6: frustrated me in reading the comments. I felt like we

1753
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 6: put ourselves in a position to and it was you know,

1754
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 6: when you drive people, when you when you jones people

1755
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 6: like I was talking about pump pump, pump it up

1756
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 6: and all that stuff. That's one thing, But to just

1757
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 6: push people away from not having a purpose or seat

1758
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 6: at the table, I think is another. And I think

1759
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 6: that people felt that whether or not that was our

1760
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 6: intention or not, that's literally all it was.

1761
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 13: It's just like the rhetoric seems like y'all were so

1762
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 13: far apart, are you know, you know, y'all look at

1763
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,560
Speaker 13: them in a certain way, like, you know, kind of

1764
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 13: looking down on them, And I'm like, no, we should

1765
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 13: be looking.

1766
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 9: At each other, you know, eye to eye, because I

1767
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 9: want to see everything.

1768
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 13: I want to see Mark Lemon Hill on Joe Budden,

1769
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 13: I want to see Angela Rai on steven A because

1770
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 13: I know, you know, whoever wants to go to these platforms,

1771
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 13: whoever we on these platforms. I want to see Bakari

1772
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 13: and steven A have a conversation, even though that might

1773
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 13: not ever happen, Like it's the reason we bring, you know,

1774
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 13: so many different voices on Breakfast Club. It's like, wherever

1775
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 13: the audience is, let's amplify the people who have, you know,

1776
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 13: something to say. Like it's just weird that you know,

1777
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 13: everybody's drawing a line in the sand and we're being

1778
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 13: so divisive to each other as a community. Because if

1779
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 13: we're really trying to build community, let's build community for real.

1780
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I think that we are.

1781
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 4: I think that we do also have to understand that

1782
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 4: everybody plays a different part. So if Tiff is saying

1783
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 4: this is my ministry over here, this is the thing

1784
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 4: that I can do and I do well, then we

1785
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 4: have to trust that somebody else can play their position.

1786
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 3: I really would like for us to get underneath this.

1787
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 4: Blanket labeling that we do of anti intellectualism, of elitism,

1788
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 4: of the boulet, of the democratic shields, Like what is

1789
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 4: beneath all of that?

1790
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 3: And can you really hear people for the distinctions?

1791
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 4: One of my favorite things about this show as long

1792
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 4: as we've been on is that we there's always a distinction.

1793
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: There's always a fine point that somebody offers where it

1794
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 4: may even shift my opinion, you know, it really might.

1795
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 4: I was glad when Leonard was like, I want you

1796
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 4: to listen to the show.

1797
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 3: I promise you. I was like, I am not listening

1798
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 3: to their show. I am not listening to it.

1799
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 4: I just knew they were gonna be it was gonna

1800
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 4: be some craziness, and I am so grateful that you

1801
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 4: pushed me to listen to the show, so much so

1802
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 4: that I went into our chat dropped the show link.

1803
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 4: It was like Leonard said, listen to this, here's the

1804
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 4: time stamp. It changed my perspective a lot. On flip

1805
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 4: it changed my person I could feel like I heard

1806
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 4: the pain in Joe. It felt like, no matter how

1807
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 4: high up you get, you never get the recognition you

1808
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 4: truly deserve, which is amongst your people. And that's something

1809
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 4: that whether we have the same degree, went to the

1810
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 4: same school, live in the same area, or make the

1811
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 4: same amount of money, that's something that we all should

1812
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 4: be able to relate to as black folks. So I think,

1813
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 4: if there's nothing else, if we know where our end

1814
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 4: goal is, liberation for black people, even if our means

1815
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 4: is different, that's the conversation I really want to have,

1816
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 4: and it's the one that I've been in earnest having

1817
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 4: for several months now since this terrorist cuts off.

1818
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,879
Speaker 13: Imagine if Bakari and tiff never went on Abbey Phillips show.

1819
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 2: Think get about that I'm conflicted about and we need

1820
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: you in that space.

1821
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 9: You're great in that space.

1822
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 13: Because if you weren't there, how many things would just

1823
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 13: go would just fly and people would probably just take

1824
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 13: his gospel if Tiffany wasn't there to dispute it.

1825
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 9: If Bakari wasn't there to dispute it.

1826
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 13: Like think about Obama going on O'Reilly back in the day,

1827
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 13: Think about John Stewart going on Fox News back in

1828
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 13: the day. Imagine if people didn't go in those spaces

1829
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 13: to combat some of the bullshit.

1830
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 9: I think that we need to be everywhere there's eyeballs.

1831
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 13: We need to be everywhere our people are listening, because

1832
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 13: you know that truth does get the people.

1833
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 9: And you may not see it in that moment. Yeah

1834
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 9: you might.

1835
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 13: You might be in that studio and feel like you

1836
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 13: just wasted your time because you was arguing with somebody.

1837
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 13: But think about the millions of people that are at

1838
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 13: home watching. Are the millions of people that are at

1839
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,839
Speaker 13: home listening they're getting something from it. They're like, damn yo, Macari,

1840
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 13: Really you know said some ship last night on seeing

1841
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 13: in a Tiffany?

1842
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 9: Really doesn't it last night? On seeing it? And like

1843
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 9: you need that?

1844
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 13: Mark sets in on Joe Budden podcast. I personally feel

1845
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 13: like you you need that, and I don't think we

1846
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 13: should we should knock it.

1847
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Ever, Well, I have I have thought some questions on that,

1848
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: but that's a conversation. I don't have to text you

1849
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: about because I'm I'm I'm seriously conflicted about going on

1850
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: that show. We've talked about it a little bit here, but.

1851
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 13: Angela stopped listening to Angela and it will probably be

1852
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 13: she can testify.

1853
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 2: No, don't listen to me.

1854
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 4: No, I make my She's not intellectually curious about what

1855
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 4: I have to say on this top.

1856
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: On this topic, Angela think we all need to be

1857
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,799
Speaker 1: on there or as a no go, So that's something different.

1858
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 3: I think Angela's was the agreement.

1859
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but I have I have.

1860
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: Conflict about going on that show, Charla Mane, because I

1861
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: think it is dangerous the way that they are platforming

1862
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: literal white supremacists, and not everybody deserves my audience, not

1863
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 1: everybody deserves my debate, and so it does feel icky

1864
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: to me, Like I watch people on there when you

1865
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: are getting to the point where you debate in slavery.

1866
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Something about that does feel beneath me. And I don't

1867
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: think it's anything wrong with feeling that way, or even

1868
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: somebody does think is wrong. Then that's just where I stand,

1869
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just on the wrong.

1870
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: Side of you.

1871
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 6: But let me also let me also, I mean, it's

1872
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 6: it's one of the only shows where you have whatever

1873
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 6: however you want to describe people where you have that

1874
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 6: cross section of individuals that are there. But also like,

1875
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 6: we have to not come from a place where we

1876
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 6: are foreclosing on platforms we won't go to like we

1877
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 6: we have to. I mean, you're too talented. I mean

1878
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 6: I feel like I said the same thing about Andrew,

1879
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 6: Like we there. It seems like we we always come

1880
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 6: up with a litany or list of like I'm not

1881
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 6: gonna go there. I have, but we have to be

1882
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 6: willing to take our talents in these spaces, not quite

1883
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 6: come as you are a type of deal, but take

1884
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 6: your talents in these spaces and be willing to Yeah,

1885
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 6: have these discussions and realize that at the end of

1886
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 6: the day, it's not about changing that person's mind that's

1887
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 6: sitting at the table from you. At the end of

1888
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 6: the day, it's about talking to the broader audience that

1889
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 6: is thirsting during this vacuum for somebody like Tiffany Cross

1890
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 6: and so I wasn't a part of those conversations. But

1891
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 6: let me just ask you to, you know, politely, reconsider

1892
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 6: that notion. Just if you're weighing as a balance, I

1893
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 6: want you to reconsider it because the need is probably

1894
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 6: greater than the can then the condemnation you may have

1895
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 6: for the particular person you may be may be there with.

1896
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 9: I think.

1897
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 13: Tif gave the best example, Tiffany, you gave the best example,

1898
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 13: that Slavery example. Imagine somebody wasn't there to combat that

1899
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 13: because there are people peple out there who believe it.

1900
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 13: There's people out there who actually believe what that young

1901
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 13: lady said. It's actually people out there who think just

1902
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 13: like her. So somebody has to be out there to

1903
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 13: give the real information.

1904
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 9: That they're not.

1905
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: For platforming that person because seeing they should not be

1906
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: putting them on. To me, that's where I began my

1907
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: broadcast journalism career, and it is abhorrent to me to

1908
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: witness them devolve into that kind of thing. It is

1909
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 1: not actually healthy political discourse. It is a Jerry Springer

1910
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: like segment where you literally will have a white supremacist

1911
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: sitting across from somebody like me, or you'll literally have

1912
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: Scott James regurgitating white supremacist attitudes, policies, politics, et cetera.

1913
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: And I'm supposed to legitimize this point by debating him.

1914
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily you know, like I shouldn't be a

1915
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: part of the debate. It is this news organization should

1916
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 1: not be putting setting up that kind of conversation.

1917
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 2: I think that's a disgrace.

1918
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 5: I agree with you to this parameters. I don't don't

1919
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 5: think this is pick on tiffany day, but I'll just

1920
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 5: say definitely at the that and I said this to

1921
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 5: you directly, that we have to check ego a lot

1922
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 5: of times and a lot of these spaces and to

1923
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 5: the if the most salient point, like echoing in your

1924
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 5: mind is this person doesn't deserve me across from them,

1925
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 5: I just say that's the wrong part of the that's

1926
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 5: not a place to begin in the conversation.

1927
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 1: They may not stand down ten toes down. I don't

1928
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: know why supremisist does not deserve.

1929
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 2: They don't deserve And as.

1930
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Speaker 5: You are, all I'm simply saying is is we have

1931
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 5: to challenge our own ego and some of it. And

1932
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 5: I don't think it's ego to not when we say

1933
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 5: this person does deserve.

1934
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: To be, Oh, well, then I guess I got an

1935
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: ego because that's me. That's that's where I draw a car.

1936
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 5: I don't want to deride it. I don't want to

1937
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 5: really drive us down in the conversation. I apologize for

1938
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 5: moving us that direction. This is meant and and and

1939
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 5: real love for you, and not just for you, but

1940
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 5: for all of us. Because I have to do it myself.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I've debated at that level before, I've debated

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Speaker 5: above that level. There's no reason for me to have

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Speaker 5: a legitimate, a legitimate person who sympathizes with white supremacists,

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Speaker 5: as I said in the debate, one who if if

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Speaker 5: I'm not calling him it, the ones who are it

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Speaker 5: seem to believe they're in good company with them, So

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Speaker 5: so I get that. But there are people who are

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Speaker 5: legit moved by your words, who might be where they

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Speaker 5: are and the position of the debate simply because they

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Speaker 5: haven't heard the other side. That's all.

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Speaker 9: That's it.

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Speaker 5: They maybe where they are simply because they don't know

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Speaker 5: the fruits of the other side.

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Speaker 9: And I gotta run. I gotta run. But I do

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Speaker 9: want to say one thing.

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Speaker 13: Andrew said something on this podcast a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 13: and he said he never wanted to be blind sided

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Speaker 13: again about what the other side thinks in this country.

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Speaker 13: So therefore, when I see these people platformed on the CNNs,

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Speaker 13: you know the MSNBC's of course you see them on Fox.

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Speaker 13: I watched that because I too want to know what

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Speaker 13: other people are thinking. But I am very appreciative when

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Speaker 13: there's a Tiffany Cross, when there's a Bacari Sellers or

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Speaker 13: whoever to confront that.

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Speaker 9: And I will end with this, are we better than

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Speaker 9: our ancestors?

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Speaker 13: Because I know Malcolm X, James Baldwin, they publicly debated

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Speaker 13: the debated white supremacists all the time. They publicly confronted

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Speaker 13: white supremacists all the time, and they would smack them

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Speaker 13: down with their black intellect and they're black excellence.

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Speaker 9: So wherever there's.

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Speaker 13: White supremacy on cable TV, I want to see black

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Speaker 13: intellect and black excellence like the Tiffany Crosses of the world.

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Speaker 9: And I'm glad and I thank you for your service.

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Speaker 1: To be continued. This is a conversation that's ongoing. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: What are you got to You gave us way more

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Speaker 1: time than you had, so thank you Lenar for joining

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Speaker 1: the conversation. All right, well, we're moving us right along.

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Speaker 1: I think now we got to get into some calls

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Speaker 1: to action. We kept you all here for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's a long show today, but we wanted to be

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Speaker 1: sure to address this issue because we did read a

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Speaker 1: lot of your comments and did hear from a lot

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Speaker 1: of you for laying in. So thank you all to

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Speaker 1: our viewers, and we also want to let you know

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Speaker 1: if you're watching this show or listening, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the show, we are going to play Angela Roun's

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Speaker 1: a professional development program of young folks, and she asks

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Speaker 1: them the way in with their thoughts on the whole

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Speaker 1: intellectual debate. So at the end of the show you'll

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Speaker 1: be able to hear their thoughts as well. But for

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Speaker 1: now we're going to move on to cause to action.

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Speaker 5: Who cares about truth?

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Speaker 6: On the last more than.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we told you it was going to be a

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Speaker 1: spirited conversation and it certainly is. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: sticking with us on a long show today. I do

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Speaker 1: want to remind you that please tune into our mini

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Speaker 1: pod because we get to sit down with Ajaka Owen's mom.

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Speaker 1: She's the subject of a very striking documentary on Netflix,

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Speaker 1: The Perfect Neighbor. It was so striking it is number

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Speaker 1: one on Netflix right now. It is about a woman

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Speaker 1: who was murdered by a white woman who happened to

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Speaker 1: be her neighbor, and I encourage you all to watch it,

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Speaker 1: but please be sure to tune into Native Lampod's conversation

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Speaker 1: with them. And right now we have another that was

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Speaker 1: not my call to action. For the record, I have

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Speaker 1: another call to action, but I'm gonna kick it off

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Speaker 1: with my co host, Angela.

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Speaker 2: You want to go first.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 4: My call to action is to talk to somebody you

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Speaker 4: don't agree with this week and really listen. I had

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to do that last week, and to listen

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Speaker 4: to a podcast that I don't normally listen to.

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Speaker 3: It proved to be enlightening. So that is my challenge

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Speaker 3: to y'all.

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Speaker 2: I like it, Andrew was yours.

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Speaker 5: Build your things on things that last, Put your hopes

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Speaker 5: on things that last. Put all everything you're building on

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Speaker 5: things that last, because slippery is all of the ground.

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Speaker 5: And learn from the movements that have actually something to

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Speaker 5: teach us. There was a time in this country where

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Speaker 5: eighty percent of Americans believed in social security and retirement benefits.

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Speaker 5: There was a time in this country where eighty percent

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Speaker 5: of the politepole believed in workplace protections. There was a

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Speaker 5: time when eighty percent of this country was prepared to

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Speaker 5: go after big oligarchs and the wealthiest, consuming as much

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Speaker 5: as they could for themselves, and it was a widely

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Speaker 5: popular set of ideas, the New Deal, And when the

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Speaker 5: New Deal was popular, it was popular amongst over eighty

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Speaker 5: percent of Americans until those people realize that those same

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Speaker 5: benefits would be extended to black people. And that's when

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Speaker 5: the benefit, the support for those benefits dissipated. So check

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Speaker 5: out the sum of us. Read a little bit about

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Speaker 5: these parts of movements that I think we can build from,

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Speaker 5: grow from, learn what we can from them, and leave

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Speaker 5: the rest that doesn't serve us behind. Because our only

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Speaker 5: pathway out of this is going to be on the

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Speaker 5: ground that's solid and that gets shored up by our

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Speaker 5: continued activism in this space. At least that's what I believe.

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Speaker 5: I'll continue to believe that until a new belief takes over.

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Speaker 2: Did you say, build your hopes on the things that.

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Speaker 5: Last, Build build everything on the things that last.

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Speaker 1: Build everything on it. I just want to get it

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Speaker 1: right from when I repeat it like it was my own.

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Speaker 1: Everything on the things that last.

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Speaker 5: Dream, build it last.

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Speaker 1: Build your hopes and dreams on the things that last. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: that's beautiful, Andrew, thank you for that. I do want

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Speaker 1: to share Bakari. So, Bakari has been going back and forth,

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Speaker 1: as I said, because he's in court, but he did

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Speaker 1: when he was running out, he did tell us his

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Speaker 1: CTA and it was really similar to yours.

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Speaker 2: Angela. He said, I need no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: He he just said, to basically approach conversations open. I

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Speaker 1: think it's all you know, all about our conversations that

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Speaker 1: we've had. So he kind of shared his ct and

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Speaker 1: his perspective and our conversation with Charlemagne. But essentially he

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Speaker 1: was saying, you know, be open to have conversations with people.

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Speaker 1: Show go to where people are even you know, no

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Speaker 1: matter what your preconceived notions about them. So sorry, b

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Speaker 1: if I have butchered your CTA, but next.

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Speaker 2: Time, keep your ass here.

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Speaker 3: Next time homework.

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Speaker 2: But if I mess it up, you can correct me.

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Speaker 3: Next week you can do a dis tape on social

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Speaker 3: media like you probably.

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Speaker 1: Probably we sorry Beyonce from messing up as your backup dancers.

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Speaker 1: My ct A is this week in Minnesota, Texas, New York,

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Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania. Uh, they are looking at dwindling funds for

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Speaker 1: SNAP benefits and uh even Wick which which helps to

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Speaker 1: feed over seven million low income mothers and children. Those

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Speaker 1: funds are running low. SNAP is of course federally funded,

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Speaker 1: but it's administered by the states, and so the shutdown

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Speaker 1: impacts the people who get these benefits. So if you

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Speaker 1: are able to help in any way feed someone who

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Speaker 1: may not have their benefits, who may be too proud

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Speaker 1: to ask. You can anonymously leave a bag of groceries

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Speaker 1: on their door, mail them food. You can have food

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Speaker 1: delivered to them if you feel in fancy, Uber eats

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Speaker 1: them dinner for a week. Whatever you can do, even

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01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: if it's somebody you don't know, if you see somebody

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01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: on the news talking about it. However, we can help

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Speaker 1: each other in this time. I think it's so incredibly important,

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Speaker 1: and I'm cheating because I have another call to action.

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Speaker 1: I do want to tell our Native Land Pod audience

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Speaker 1: that Angela Rye turns twenty nine years old this week.

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Speaker 2: She's celebrating forty six.

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Speaker 1: She is turned at forty six this week, and so

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Speaker 1: we want to wish our dear sister a happy birthday.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you spend that day I don't think

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Speaker 1: you will, but I hope you spend that day doing

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Speaker 1: nothing in service to anyone but yourself.

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Speaker 3: Like to go to sleep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is that what you're planning on doing? Sleeping?

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Speaker 3: I do think so.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, for my birthday, wish is for

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Speaker 4: Andrew to get well, because I'm watching him blow his nose.

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Speaker 3: It's so nice.

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Speaker 2: He's been sweating the whole show.

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Speaker 1: Andrew's been fighting bickness since last week because the show.

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Speaker 3: Last week, ever, he got well. Here's what you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do my birthday be around Andrew because

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Speaker 3: I do not want whatever.

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Speaker 1: Angel You need some rest, and Andrew and Angela you

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Speaker 1: need celebration. I will say, you guys know the Machetes

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Speaker 1: always we are a very giving, loving, supportive group of girlfriends,

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Speaker 1: and so you do. You have something coming your way

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Speaker 1: from us, But I won't say what it is. We

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Speaker 1: can talk about it later. But if you guys catch

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Speaker 1: this on numberfore Sunday, be sure to wish Angela a

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Speaker 1: very happy birthday. I will be tweeting out her personal

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Speaker 1: cell phone number so you can tell her directly. Stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. And as always, we want to remind

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Speaker 1: everybody if you like what you heard today, and I

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Speaker 1: really hope you did, because we've been Andrew's stripping.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. He's getting undressed. I was

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Speaker 2: distracted though, like I saw Andrew stripping. I don't know

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Speaker 2: it's happening. But uh, we're here for it, Andrew, We're

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Speaker 2: here for it, not.

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Speaker 5: Go straight.

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Speaker 1: But no, that is why I know you said because

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Speaker 1: you've been hot and cold, Andela being rude talking about you.

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Speaker 1: If you liked any part of this conversation, truly, I

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01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 1: just wanted to say all of us really appreciated reading

2127
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: your comments, hearing from you all, So please share the video.

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Speaker 1: Tell a friend about the podcast. You know, some people

2129
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: were complaining, like, oh, you guys are doing this for clicks.

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01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: We talk about things of substance. You know, Angela had

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Speaker 1: a great interview with Jenny Nelson. Please, by all means

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Speaker 1: go flood that clip with comments. I don't know he's

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Speaker 1: going through menopause.

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Speaker 2: He's like chill.

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Speaker 5: Menopause shows up in all different phases. To be guilty.

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Speaker 5: But no, I was shaking my head your comment about

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Speaker 5: they're just doing that for clicks.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, click for who We'll just we're saying like

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Speaker 1: we wanted more viewers, and of course we always do,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's why we show not by any means

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Speaker 1: and certainly not by being messy, but but having a

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Speaker 1: very healthy exchange of ideas and ideology, which we do

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Speaker 1: on this show every week about things of Stuffarence. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got two minutes before we got to be out

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Speaker 1: of the studio, so I just want to tell everybody

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Speaker 1: that there are other clips and things that we would

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Speaker 1: love to have from this week that we discussed that

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Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you on. Feel free

2149
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: to drop a video, drop a question, share the video. Also,

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Speaker 1: please check out other choices on Reason Choice Media. Our

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Speaker 1: girl Jamil Hill shout out to the Macheties, she hosts

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Speaker 1: Politics and Si Cup hosts Off the Cup and I

2153
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Speaker 1: know it's the edition which we talked about Noah de

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Speaker 1: Borasso with the more you know, and please be sure

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Speaker 1: to give us a follow on all our platforms.

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Speaker 2: We certainly heard.

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Speaker 1: From a lot of you, so you just showed up

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Speaker 1: to make a comment on our alleged beef. We hope

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Speaker 1: that you will stick around for the substance that we

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Speaker 1: try to offer on this show every week.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: Many days there are until midterm elections, because at this point, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Angela's telling me there are three hundred and seventy six days,

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Speaker 1: which is almost a year. Isn't that crazy? Three hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy six days left until midterm elections. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if we're gonna have free and fair elections, but

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Speaker 1: certainly now's the time to be informed and stay focused

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Speaker 1: on what's happening while we prepare for the worst to come.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for joining us. We are your hosts.

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Speaker 1: Bakari Sellers allegedly is somewhere fighting a good fight in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. Andrew Gillam, who is going through the menopause

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Speaker 1: hot and cold. We send our prayers. Angela Rai, who

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Speaker 1: is getting ready to turn up for her birthday, and

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Speaker 1: by turn up, I mean turn it down, getting comfy

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Speaker 1: in the bed, relaxing. We're on down for what she

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Speaker 1: deserves it. And Tiffany Cross, thank you guys for tuning in.

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Speaker 14: Welcome Home, Welcome Home to the Native Landing on the

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Speaker 14: podcast space Tess and for greatness sixteen minutes it's so hit,

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Speaker 14: not too long for the crazy ships. High level combo

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Speaker 14: politics in a way that you could taste it then

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Speaker 14: got chested. Politics touches you will and if you don't

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Speaker 14: touch it, so get invested across the t's and dop

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Speaker 14: the i's, kill them back to get them staying on

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Speaker 14: business with ride. You could have been anywhere, but you

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Speaker 14: truset us natively and podcast the brand that you can

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Speaker 14: trust you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, So, because we had such a long, in

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Speaker 4: depth conversation today, we're actually gonna move some of our

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Speaker 4: viewers questions and comments over to our sub stack. We

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Speaker 4: invite you to continue the conversation over there, real or

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Speaker 4: perceived beef whatever. We're broadening out this conversation into what

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Speaker 4: it means to be an intellectual, what it means to

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Speaker 4: find common ground with all of us, so that we're

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Speaker 4: not excluding anyone. We are not engaged in the math

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Speaker 4: the power politics of subtraction or division. We are engaged

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Speaker 4: in additional multiplication and for that reason we want to

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Speaker 4: hear your thoughts. Go over and leave your comments, let

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Speaker 4: us know what you think, send us a video as

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Speaker 4: you normally do, and hopefully we'll see you over there

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Speaker 4: on substance.

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