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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. The first player

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Speaker 1: so does all tells Jaguars Did you Jack, Jack Warris?

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Speaker 1: Did you Jaguars Drive Time? Ryan Sex steps that John

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Speaker 1: oh saves. Actually, Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: and welcome in Jaguar's Drive Time. Wednesday Morning, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Duval Motor Company. We hope most of you

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Speaker 1: are enjoying a day off getting ready for Thanksgiving holiday.

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Speaker 1: But us we have a busy day. It is a

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Speaker 1: busy day. Most people have Wednesday off before Thanksgiving with

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Speaker 1: amateur night. I know tonight as amateur there there are

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Speaker 1: I don't know. None of my friends are actually and

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Speaker 1: I take the same route to work. Um, and I

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Speaker 1: the time that we normally come in. Did you see

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Speaker 1: Henry Winkler on the way to work? Well, if he was,

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Speaker 1: If he were here, Ashlyn wouldn't be able to recognize,

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Speaker 1: line up here. She does not know who the Fonds was.

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Speaker 1: Don't embarrass me on til this. Well, obviously you're without embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: I don't get wearing is probably older than her. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So she's not going to know Arthur fond thank you.

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Speaker 1: But I like the Happy Day's reference right around the

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Speaker 1: holiday that that was always a good episode, the Thanksgiving episode.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll tune in, I'll come back write the shark.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the phrase jump the show? Goods? Stop

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Speaker 1: quizzing me on things. I don't need to know Ashlyn,

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Speaker 1: big things. Things I know. Big thing one is focus

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Speaker 1: on football. The talk of coaches whether or not they'll

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Speaker 1: still have a job and contracts cannot enter this locker room.

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Speaker 1: They have to focus on the bucks because they don't

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Speaker 1: have a choice at this point, and they have to

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Speaker 1: focus on sticking together barring everything that's happened. You have

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Speaker 1: a smart of the team that that knows what it

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Speaker 1: this locker room. There's a lot of guys who wotun

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Speaker 1: extremely hard, but we can't lay down that Big thing

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Speaker 1: too is focus on four net yards from scrimmage. This season,

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Speaker 1: he has been a bright spot to a not very

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Speaker 1: positive season so far. He's also been a pleasant guy

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Speaker 1: excited to see him. So we'll talk more about him

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Speaker 1: and what a key is to the game on Sunday

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Speaker 1: against the Bucks and Big Thing three it's focus on

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Speaker 1: winning one game. The Jaguars they were four and seven

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Speaker 1: cliche fans that want to hear it, but that's the

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Speaker 1: we've said many times, winning makes everything better. I always

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Speaker 1: That's what players say this time of year, when you're

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Speaker 1: because at times he's done that before. And that's nothing

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Speaker 1: seen him do that. It's a remarkable story. And I know, uh, people,

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Speaker 1: because I get the sense that talk is cheap to him. Right,

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00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: show me on the field and show me they're not showing.

429
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: So what's he's supposed to do? He the only thing

430
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: he can do is keep giving people some encouragement. If

431
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: the quarterback went up there when we suck, don't you

432
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: all see that? Would people take that better? Right? What

433
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: do they want him to say? The fans can be

434
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 1: worn out and it turn it off. You can't expect

435
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: him to come out there and say, now, let me say,

436
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: on this play, we did this and we should have

437
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: done that. He can only be himself I don't fault

438
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: him for being himself. I don't care if people don't

439
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: like what I say. I say what I say because

440
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: I have a belief behind it. That's what I'm interested in, John,

441
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: I'm interested in whether his belief is genuine, if his

442
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: personality is genuine. And I stood down there yesterday. Normally

443
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: I watch it in the other room, and I felt

444
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: it was genuine, authentic, and the heat that you sensed

445
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: was him wanting to make his point. I don't know

446
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: that he is a great communicator slash leader. I did

447
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: get the sense that he is a leader that people

448
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: will follow. I just you can only be you, you

449
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: can only do you. We've seen guys around here who don't.

450
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: They're not real, right, Um. I admire the real part

451
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: of it, and I get it. People only want to

452
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: hear what they want to hear. He's not interested in

453
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: telling you what you want to hear. He's interested in

454
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: telling you what he thinks. Now, post game, after that

455
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: kind of butt whipping, what do you expect him to say?

456
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna be angry. He's He's only gonna he's gonna

457
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: stay on message. Yesterday was a much better place for

458
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: him to come out and say it, and I'll say this,

459
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: you've seen it for two games. Let's see what he

460
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: does over the course of the final five he's going

461
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: to be on the field, then you can make an

462
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: evaluation of whether he's the guy. Yes, but change will

463
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: not be coming this season. That's what we're insating, not insinuating,

464
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: saying it, saying it's not. The headband and the mustache

465
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: will not be coming back this year. Yeah, you're just

466
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: like all of that. Joining the club another big time

467
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: joining the club. Joining the club doesn't help this franchise

468
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: this year. That's the point to make. Another hot topic

469
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: was Team Turkey or Team Ham Yes, very hot topic,

470
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: but Chris Connelly did say this is the first Thanksgiving

471
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: he's head off during his playing career. Yeah, you know,

472
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: you can definitely tell where coaching staff's heart is um

473
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to holidays and how they schedule practice

474
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: and giving you time to spend time with things that

475
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: are most important. You know, footb all is our job

476
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: and everything, but family comes first and being able to

477
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: do that speaks a lot to think about them. Thing

478
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: you could tell the appreciation. I asked a few guys

479
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: about what they felt like when Doug was saying, you

480
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: know you have Thanksgiving off. You said a lot of time,

481
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: especially for Chris. We don't have that other other teams.

482
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: And you could tell that that was a big thing

483
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: for them, that coach understands that day is family day.

484
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: I've done this a long time and the last two

485
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: years of the first two Thanksgivings, I've had off. Yeah,

486
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: and there's nothing for people who don't really realize it.

487
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: Under NFL rules, players get one day off a week

488
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: no matter what. So I know people canna say why

489
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: should they have time off? You know there four and seven,

490
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: but people get I mean, the players get one day

491
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Speaker 1: off a week. It's usually Tuesday. Doug Morn shifted the

492
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Speaker 1: schedule to Thursday. I've never you know, I don't know,

493
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: that's the first one I've been around. Um, but I've

494
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: never really understood why more coaches don't do it, because

495
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: there's no magic too having practiced on a Thursday compared

496
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: to a Tuesday day off. Yeah. So um, and I

497
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: think the Jags what they did have one. Coaches get

498
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: into a routine and Thanksgiving and Christmas or days that

499
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: we work. Now, most coaches I've been around have had

500
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: a short practice Thursday, they get the kids, get the kids,

501
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: they get the players out of there by early afternoons. Yeah.

502
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: I think with the Colts they did everything in the morning.

503
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: When I was there for ten years, I think everybody

504
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: was out there but name or whatever. UM. I believe

505
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: since Doug's been here over tiyears, I think they won

506
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: one and lost one after Thanksgiving. Uh so that's a

507
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: that's a better record than the other game. Just a

508
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: quick story. The broadcast department was young. We were all young.

509
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Most of us were single, and we were in here

510
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: working because they were practicing, and we taped Tom Coughlin's

511
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: radio show early in that morning and we had all

512
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: brought in food. None of us were married or any

513
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: of that. So we brought in food and we're eating.

514
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: Tom walks and he goes, what are you doing. Don't

515
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: you have families? Well, no, we're here because you're here.

516
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: When are you going home? Four o'clock? We're here till

517
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: four o'clock. Then, right, It's just that's what coaches do.

518
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: They grew up in it. They played, they coached, they

519
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: stayed to the traditional schedule, and credit the Doug for

520
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: finding a way to give people a chance to have

521
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving off. I'm looking forward to it absolutely all right.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't anyone on the defensive coaching staff been fired?

564
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: This is this? This is a much ask question with

565
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: a simple answer because A, in my opinion, because the

566
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: coaching getting the problem on this tame. The the defensive

567
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: front is not as good as it was two years ago.

568
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: It's not stopping the run. Well, the talent level across

569
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: the board against the run is not getting it done.

570
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: But the reason nobody on the staff has been fired

571
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: it is because Doug Marron passionately believes what I just

572
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: said and that it's not coaching that's causing the problem

573
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: on defense. It's uh yeah, the interior, the line. It's

574
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: not doing a good job stop in the run. We

575
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: talked about, uh, you know all the stuff earlier, Uh,

576
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: fight all those things. Marcel Darius when he was in

577
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: the defense was not a complete train wreck against the run. Uh.

578
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: They had the one game against Carolina. For the most part,

579
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: his loss took them from being okay and hanging on

580
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: by their fingernails against the ruin to not being able

581
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: to stop it. It's not coach well, and he got

582
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: hurt in that game against against Carolina. Sou Merry Christmas, Bob,

583
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: Hoping your family enjoy it without someone getting fired, losing

584
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: their job and suffering this holiday season. Hope you can

585
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: enjoy your holiday too, Bob. I don't believe in firing

586
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: coaches mid season. It makes no sense. I don't think

587
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: do does either. At this point, fire rep send him packing.

588
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: That'll make you happy. I just fire everybody. Mentality, Hey,

589
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: look at the end of the season, if they underperformed, coaches, No,

590
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: that's part of the deal, you get fired, right, But

591
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: waiting for someone to get fired to change the equation.

592
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Who could they fire that would change the defense dramatically?

593
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: That would improve it? This week, well of the fans

594
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: thank Todd washed because when a defense struggles, it's always

595
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna blame on the coordinator. Uh yeah, but would it

596
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: absolutely not. No, I think we'd see much different at all.

597
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Fort Worth, Texas. J T.

598
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't believe Folds is elite, but the way fans

599
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: are going at him seems a little crazy right now. Well,

600
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: and that's true. I mean it's uh, I don't think

601
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: he's elite. I think, uh, well, I can't figure out Brian.

602
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if his arm is completely right right now.

603
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: And I know he's not saying it. I know Doug's

604
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: not saying it. Uh, nobody's really said it. But it

605
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he is throwing the ball as well

606
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: as he did during training camp. It's hard to know.

607
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: During the preseason we saw did I miss something? That?

608
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: Did he? I mean he broke the other collar, but

609
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: on the other side from the passing arm um he

610
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: said it's fine. Yeah. Other words, it doesn't look fine.

611
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't get it, so which he's not saying, well,

612
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I have a little shoulder thing. I'm working through it

613
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: right right. I don't know of any injury that's there.

614
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: But you're right, there were some underthrown passes a lot.

615
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean from watching him in camp and watching him

616
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: in practice. When we saw him before the injury, to

617
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: an untrained eye, it looked like there was more zip.

618
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: But he's right, Yes, it's a little crazy. Everybody's gon

619
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: act to Foles, but that's what people do. They're going

620
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: up to watch and he hasn't provided the lift that

621
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: was expected. And were those expectations unfair? Perhaps, But when

622
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: you're the fifty million dollar quarterback coming in. Uh. Again,

623
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: that's the disconnect between talking about culture and talking about patients. Well,

624
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: when you're signed immediately, you know, when you're signed as

625
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: a free agent quarterback, patience is not what people are expecting.

626
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: So that's where the disconnect is. But yes, it's been

627
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: a ridiculous people going after He's gonna get five more games.

628
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: We'll see at the end of the season and that

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00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: and the point I was trying to make before the

630
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Speaker 1: break is he has to have the five more games.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a real evaluation because you can't

632
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Speaker 1: go to the owner and say, well, we put him

633
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: in for two games, right, we convinced you to spend

634
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: the money on this guy, and we got everyone excited

635
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: about this guy, and we gave him two games. Let's

636
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: go back to the other guy. That makes sense. Yeah,

637
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: you can't do it. Um, there's nothing more to say.

638
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's with Dave. Do you think the young

639
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: players are developing? I know the results are not showing it,

640
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: but are the young Jag pieces to build with for

641
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: the future or do they need to be replaced. This

642
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: was interesting because, oh it's you guys own you know

643
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: the secret. A lot of the ozone mail bag questions

644
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: that I get if I probably got two d and

645
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: fifty between the end of the game and maybe Monday night,

646
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: and usually after a loss, they all focus on three

647
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: or four the same topics. It's different versions of White

648
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: todd Well should be fire, seven versions of White Morne,

649
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and this is was the only one

650
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I got along these lines, So it was interesting to me.

651
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: And Uh, I think there's a perception perhaps that because

652
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: you're four and seven that what that person asked isn't

653
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: taking place. But I do think you're seeing the development

654
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: of Joan Taylor, You're seeing the development of Josh Allen,

655
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: You're seeing the development of DJ Chart. There are some

656
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: guys that no matter what happens in the future, that

657
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: will be building blocks, and I think there are some

658
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: encouraging things going on. I'm not sure about Davin Bryan.

659
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: For the last couple of weeks, I don't know where

660
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: that ceiling is going to be. That does not look

661
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: as good as it did for four or five games.

662
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Concerned about Ronnie Harrison's development, he was supposed to take

663
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: a major step forward this year and he has not

664
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: played it hasn't Um, So I'll give you. I'll give

665
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Speaker 1: you another guy that though, that I thought was encouraging

666
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: by his performance last week, was Cam Robinson. And because

667
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: I had only that's true, then there's two tackles I

668
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: had only seen from Cam Okay this year. I had

669
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: not seen anything that made me say he's getting better.

670
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: And then last week Harold Landry. There was a communication

671
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: issue upfront, and Harold the Lander got the stack early.

672
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: But the rest of the game, I thought Cam Robinson

673
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: played as well as he has played this year, and

674
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Speaker 1: maybe as well as he's played consistently for a whole

675
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: game since early in his rookie season. And if you

676
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: think about that, UM, within the context of his career,

677
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: that makes some sense. Okay, third year veteran, He's not

678
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: really a third year veteran, He's really a second year

679
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: veteran because he missed what fourteen games last year. UM

680
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: was okay during his rookie year. Remember, the the narrative

681
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: with Cam was okay, during his rookie year, needed to

682
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: get better to live up to his draft status. Didn't

683
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: play well early before, he got hurt in his second year,

684
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: and then he's coming in this year off of an

685
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Speaker 1: A C L. So there's got to be some development.

686
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Speaker 1: If what you're saying is true, it's a good sign

687
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: because then they've got their two tackles. I thought you

688
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: were brewing up something. Well, we're gonna throw up the

689
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: four net um because we've seen him develop. We talked

690
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: earlier about him, so there's no you don't necessarily think

691
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: of running backs he's developing, because those are the guys

692
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: that generally come in and they are what they are. UM.

693
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: But with Leonard it's complicated because of the off the

694
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: field stuff and the and and on the on field

695
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: stuff last year. UM, I think you conclude him as

696
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: a guy whose arrow is pointing up with plenty of

697
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: room to show his best stuff. He's on the list,

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,080
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Speaker 1: Buccaneers team insider, joins the show. Now, Casey, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us. How's it going? Absolutely Thanks for having me

739
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: it's going great down here. So first off, tell us

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00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: about Jamis instant in the season so far. I know,

741
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: always the talk of the team is how he's doing.

742
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: From an outsider's perspective, yeah, it's uh, it's always interesting

743
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: with him that you know, he will make so many

744
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: incredible plays. He will win you games and extend drives,

745
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: extend plays. But then of course we all know, um,

746
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: the touchdown and you know, the touchdown interception ratio, just

747
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: the interceptions overall or not what he or the team

748
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: wants to be happening. They know it's a problem. They're

749
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: doing everything they can to try to get it down.

750
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, this game last week for US against

751
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: Atlanta was sort of the way that it's been with him.

752
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: That opened the game, couple interceptions and then uh, basically

753
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the game and they're turning around. You know,

754
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: he gets a seventy one yard touchdown a Chris Godwin

755
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: right after that. So, um, if they can just get

756
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: some those interceptions down a little bit, I think he

757
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: really could be something incredible and special. Case. From your perspective,

758
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: what's the relationship like between Byron Leftwich and Jamis Winston.

759
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing I actually just had Byron on my radio

760
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: show this last week. We talked a lot about that

761
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: and the fact that he played quarterback so recently and

762
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: in Bruce arians system, really was such a unique opportunity

763
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: for them to be able to relate to each other.

764
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot of mutual respect there

765
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: and um, they spend tons of time together. There's Byron left,

766
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: which there's also you know, the quarterback coach, Clyde Christiansen,

767
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and um, they are doing everything that they can to

768
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: put Jamis in a position to succeed. They talked about

769
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: all the new strategies that they've implemented about the film

770
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: they watch of other quarterbacks turnovers, whether it be interceptions

771
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: or fumbles, and they sort of break those down, They

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00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: break his own down, put him into some of the

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00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: different categories of what could have caused it, diagnosed every

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Speaker 1: single one. So they are putting everything into putting him

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Speaker 1: in the place to succeed. And I know that Jamis

776
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: and Environ have a lot of mutual respect for each other,

777
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: so it's a perfect situation. And then of course you

778
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: have Bruce Arians incredibly involved, known as the quarterback whisper

779
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: for a reason, and Um, I think that it's a

780
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: it's a perfect combination of people to be working with

781
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: him right now. Well, I think it's interesting and to

782
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: point it out, we know Byron was a very uh

783
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: roundly criticized quarterback in Jacksonville when he was a first

784
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: round pick here, and he was stubborn, he didn't really

785
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: want to listen that much. There were there were lots

786
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: of people that wanted to get into his head, but

787
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: he kind of kept everybody at a distance. So it's

788
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: interesting to those of us who covered Byron to see

789
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: him now be on the other side of the ball,

790
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: well other side of the ball, but other side of

791
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: the coin and having to work with the quarterback. So

792
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: how open, how receptive is Jamis to all of this.

793
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Jamis is incredibly open and receptive. And it's actually funny

794
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: because I asked Byron this week, now that he's a coach, uh,

795
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: does he ever look back at anything about when he

796
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: was a player and thinks he either said two coaches

797
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: or how he acted and kind of go, oh my gosh,

798
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: now I see it the other way. He said, absolutely,

799
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: But um, it's funny how he'll hear himself saying things

800
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: that his own coaches said to him, and he just

801
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: he himself kind of finds it funny of man like,

802
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: I have a whole new perspective now being on the

803
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. And um Jamis though is

804
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: has always been known as incredibly coachable and incredibly receptive.

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00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: And if you ask anyone on this team what is

806
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston like as a player, probably the first thing

807
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: they will say is he has the most incredible work

808
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: ethic of anyone on this team. He is first one in,

809
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: last one out. Essentially coaches have to make him stop working.

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00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: That was something his quarterback coach said is I've had

811
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: to kick him off the field because sometimes Moore isn't

812
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: always better, but he is constantly trying to get better.

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00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: He's in here by five am every single day. He's

814
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: here for at least twelve hours every day. It's insane.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, his work ethic is incredible. Um No. A

816
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about the Bucks running game, but

817
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars run defense, the opponent's running game is

818
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: always a topic. How dangerous are the Bucks running the

819
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: football and can they commit to that considering it's it's

820
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: a weakness for the Jaguars right now. Yeah, so it

821
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: really for the Bucks has depended completely upon the game

822
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: plan that they really do want to be running the ball.

823
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Speaker 1: And as much as Brazilians is known for this no

824
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: risk at no biscuit idea, and everybody thinks that they're

825
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: just going to be throwing the ball all over the field,

826
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: and that's the whole point. He really wants it to

827
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: be balanced. And the Bucks actually had a season high

828
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: on three rushing yards is last week against Atlanta. It

829
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: wasn't because they all of a sudden figured out something

830
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: about the run game. It was the fact that they

831
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: actually got to have the lead at the beginning of

832
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: the game. You know, the week before that we played

833
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: the same so we got down almost immediately and had

834
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: to pretty much completely abandon the running game. So our

835
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: running game has really been focused mainly on just what

836
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: the situation is in the score about as compared to

837
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: how successful it actually can be. So Peyton Barber and

838
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones have really ended up being a pretty good duo.

839
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: And Ronald Jones has emerged a lot this year. Is

840
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: that um quick burst of speed guy. He can break

841
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: things open, and um, Peyton Barber's you know, definitely a

842
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: guy that can ram it in there and get you

843
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: those goal line plays at the big time, you know,

844
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: third down type yards and um, I really think that

845
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: the two of them combined, they really are a great

846
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: running game. It's just the fact that unfortunately the Bucks

847
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: have been behind in a lot of games to start

848
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: off with, so they haven't been able to commit to

849
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: it as much. All Right, we'll be interesting on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Casey thinks so much for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you here in Jacksonville on Sunday. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys, see you then, all right, and that

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Speaker 1: is our show, Jaguar's Dry Time. Have a great Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back coffee with the coach here on Friday morning.