WEBVTT - Hope | 9

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<v Speaker 1>Hey listeners Jessica here, be sure to check out new

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the podcast should be considered innocent until found

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<v Speaker 1>guilty in a court of law. This podcast contains subject

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<v Speaker 1>matter such as violence and graphic descriptions, which may not

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<v Speaker 1>be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Jessica's sister, Audrey,

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<v Speaker 1>has never forgotten a sit down she had with three

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<v Speaker 1>n OPD detectives back in January twenty twenty, a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>that lit a fire in her which still burns to

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<v Speaker 1>this day.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in this meeting, they told me and my dad

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<v Speaker 2>that it was a cold case and that there was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing that homicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Could do about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got really upset and I slammed my fist

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<v Speaker 2>down on the table. I stood up and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>how can it possibly be a cold case, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that was really just about all of it, because by

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<v Speaker 2>that time I was just like, I'm done. I'm fucking done.

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<v Speaker 2>This means war.

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<v Speaker 1>Growing up, Audrey was always the self proclaimed rebel out

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<v Speaker 1>of the three sisters, the one who spoke out, stood out,

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<v Speaker 1>and stood up. And since Jessica's death in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey's been a rebel with a cause because getting justice

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<v Speaker 1>for her Jessica. No matter what it takes, it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>A fucked up situation and it has me questioning life

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<v Speaker 2>and just everything in general. We were always taught, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you need help, then you ask the cops for help.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is just opened my eyes and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>they're not doing anything. Why would we How can we

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<v Speaker 2>even trust someone that's not even doing their job?

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, Audrey's actually been fighting two separate

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<v Speaker 1>battles since losing Jessica, one of course, with the NPD

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<v Speaker 1>over the lack of resolution in her sister's case, but

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<v Speaker 1>another with the Corner's office over her sister's remains, which

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<v Speaker 1>have been stuck there since her family discovered her body

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<v Speaker 1>on August twenty second, twenty eighteen. But come early twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, the family was finally given some hope, though

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<v Speaker 1>for Audrey this still loved one unnerving question.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like, oh my god, finally they're releasing her

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<v Speaker 4>to us.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I was also upset because I was like, well.

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<v Speaker 4>Why did they give him five hundred and thirty days

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<v Speaker 4>before they actually told us we.

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<v Speaker 3>Could have her.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside Jessica's mother's home, there's a memorial set up on

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<v Speaker 1>a table. White angels perched on wooden pedestals keep over

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of Jessica that's placed inside a small bible

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<v Speaker 1>propped open, along with a white tapered candle standing tall

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<v Speaker 1>in a gold holder. A silver and white pearl rosary

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<v Speaker 1>is draped nearby. All of it centered around a glass cross,

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<v Speaker 1>which sits on top of Jessica's round marble urn with

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<v Speaker 1>stars and a large crescent moon etched on the top.

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<v Speaker 1>For her love of astrology and celestial beauty. It reads

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Renee Easterly Heaven's Melody Starlit Cosmic Dancer crossing the Universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Born August seventeenth, nineteen seventy six, deceased August twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. Many loved ones have written their memories of

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica in an online obituary, like her best friend Maria,

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<v Speaker 1>whom Jessica called low, who wrote, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to accept this theft of light from the world. I

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<v Speaker 1>miss you like crazy. I hear the music you send me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you always and forever. And our mother Donna,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote, you are worth every day, every prayer, every

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<v Speaker 1>fear and every tear I shed those four months in

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<v Speaker 1>bed waiting for you to grow to term. I love you,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Easterly. Audrey thinks about her younger sister Jessica every

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<v Speaker 1>single day. Inside her home hangs a beautiful silver wind

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<v Speaker 1>chime that Jessica had given to her. It reminds Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>of her sister each time a gentle breeze passes through.

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<v Speaker 1>The top is a full sun linked to a series

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<v Speaker 1>of metal chimes, holding all the pieces together. Dangling by

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<v Speaker 1>a thin wire. Just below the chimes is a moon

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<v Speaker 1>holding a Audrey remembers the day Jessica bought it, and

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<v Speaker 1>she told Audrey that it reminded her of the bond

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<v Speaker 1>they shared. The two even had matching astrology themed tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey with the sun and Jessica with the moon and

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<v Speaker 1>a star. It's the wind chime blowing softly in the

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<v Speaker 1>southern breeze. Each time Audrey opens the door that reminds

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<v Speaker 1>her family. With every twist and turn throughout Jessica's story,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a reason, a purpose. Take Jessica's urn for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the one in the middle of that elaborate memorial back

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<v Speaker 1>at her mother's house, a symbol of closure, but for

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<v Speaker 1>this family, so much more than that. Jessica may be

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<v Speaker 1>at rest and at home now, where she should be,

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<v Speaker 1>but she didn't get there through normal circumstances, not even close,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain. From August twenty nineteen to February twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica's body sat in the morgue unclaimed. Throughout that time,

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey remained persistent with the coroner's office, but ultimately it

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<v Speaker 1>was out of her control. The family was stuck hopeless.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was Jessica's case in limbo, Jessica herself was

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<v Speaker 1>also in limbo. That was until January of twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>when out of the blue, Audrey received a call she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting on for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>So January fifth, the coroner called me and asked me

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<v Speaker 2>if my name was Audrey Schmidt, and I said yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, can we have Jessica? He said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, I'm going to have to make it legal

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<v Speaker 2>and send justin legal notices. I was like okay. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, can you give me a timeline? He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot give you a timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately for Audrey, it didn't take long to hear something

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<v Speaker 1>more definitive. She remembers the wave of emotions excitement, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but she felt conflicted.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like, oh my god, finally they're releasing her

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<v Speaker 2>to us. But then I was also upset because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, hawkm it took.

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<v Speaker 4>Five hundred and thirty days. Why did they give him

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<v Speaker 4>five hundred and thirty days before they actually told us we.

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<v Speaker 3>Could have her.

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey immediately reached out to her cousin, Doug, who, if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, works in the funeral home industry.

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<v Speaker 5>It took about what a year and five months before

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<v Speaker 5>the chain of custody moved to the next link. And

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<v Speaker 5>that was a bittersweet moment because right of custody and

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<v Speaker 5>right of disposition are two different things, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>both frustrating and a relief at the same time, because

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<v Speaker 5>it's still left open for one important invariable because naturally

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<v Speaker 5>an next of kin would still be justin. He's the spouse,

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<v Speaker 5>but we had to try to make attempts to contact

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<v Speaker 5>him throughout a ten day period in order to see

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<v Speaker 5>if there's any objection on his part before the next Mexicican,

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<v Speaker 5>which is Jessica's mom, can take the right of disposition.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was a.

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<v Speaker 5>Hard ten days because you just don't know. We didn't

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<v Speaker 5>know if he was going to object, and he did not.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten days passed. On the eleventh day, we made arrangements

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<v Speaker 5>for Louisiana Funeral Home to drive to pick her up.

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<v Speaker 1>After five hundred and thirty days at the Corner's office,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica was finally coming home. As Audrey made arrangements to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up Jessica's body from the Corner's office, she had

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<v Speaker 1>just one important request when.

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<v Speaker 5>She told me that, hey, you know, I have custody

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<v Speaker 5>and I want to get a second autopsy. I immediately

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<v Speaker 5>asked one of my line balmer coworkers and friends. I said, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 5>they said that there's not much left to do an autopsy.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, she's been in a cooler. She wasn't involved

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<v Speaker 5>for a year and five months, he said, and he

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<v Speaker 5>was able to paint a picture for me of what

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<v Speaker 5>to expect at that level of dcom.

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<v Speaker 1>The picture he described Doug was disturbing, to say the least,

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<v Speaker 1>but it at least left room for optimism when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to the possibility of a second autopsy. But when

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<v Speaker 1>they finally received her remains.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a little box of bones and they looked

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<v Speaker 5>like they were perfectly cleaned, organized in a box, complete

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<v Speaker 5>opposite of what I was expected from these guys who

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<v Speaker 5>have been doing this upwards of twenty years. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>explain while it was a box of bones. They say, so,

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<v Speaker 5>did did y'all want this thing like cleaned and organized

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<v Speaker 5>or something really and give them any instruction to do

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<v Speaker 5>any of that? We didn't even know that was an option.

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<v Speaker 5>And that is one question, the biggest question I have,

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<v Speaker 5>just because of my profession. What did y'all do to

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<v Speaker 5>these remains to reduce it to this? Because from what

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<v Speaker 5>I understand that this is not a normal thing. It

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<v Speaker 5>blew my mind because I'm like I work here. I've

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<v Speaker 5>personally gone and picked up people who have been sitting

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<v Speaker 5>in corners office, medical examiners offices, or crime labs and

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<v Speaker 5>Jackson that have been there for a long time and

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<v Speaker 5>they're still intact. But dcomp obviously still happens. Never seen

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<v Speaker 5>it like that, Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>Boons.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all that was left of Jessica. To make matters worse,

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<v Speaker 1>no further medical examinations can ever be performed on her body,

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<v Speaker 1>no more answers when it comes to her death, at

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<v Speaker 1>least not from a medical perspective. The unfortunate news was

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<v Speaker 1>like a punch in the gut for Audrey, who was

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<v Speaker 1>really hinging on the idea of a second autopsy, but

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<v Speaker 1>she did her best to remain strong and focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the positive. At this point, she was ready to bring

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<v Speaker 1>her sister home, and on February second, twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>she and Doug made the drive to New Orleans to

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<v Speaker 1>do just that.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the first victory in all of this, the

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<v Speaker 5>first of this whole chain of events, this whole discovery,

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<v Speaker 5>this whole thing that was the one thing only because

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<v Speaker 5>it relied on him being the exact person that he

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<v Speaker 5>is to not be smart enough to say I can

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<v Speaker 5>object and then they can't do anything. Well, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 5>what we were hoping. It wouldn't happened because it was

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<v Speaker 5>a very real possibility. He had a very important card

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<v Speaker 5>that he didn't play. We're thankful he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the family's first real triumph. They had Jessica.

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<v Speaker 4>It felt amazing, It felt like a win, like of

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<v Speaker 4>nothing but losses and this haunt ore thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was totally awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>With only a box of her bones, Jessica's family has

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<v Speaker 1>her cremated, and shortly after Valentine's Day, Audrey, Amanda, and

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<v Speaker 1>their parents gathered in Mississippi to say their goodbyes to Jessica.

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<v Speaker 1>With Jessica at home and at rest, there was now

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<v Speaker 1>just one thing to focus on, finding out what really

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Jessica. So Audrey, more energized than ever before,

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<v Speaker 1>got to work. She went on the Internet and made

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<v Speaker 1>a website, Justice for Jessica dot org, dedicated to her

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<v Speaker 1>sister's case, and also created a Twitter page to share

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<v Speaker 1>related information. And then in April twenty twenty one, she

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<v Speaker 1>drafted an online petition on change dot org designed to

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<v Speaker 1>nab the attention of newly elected New Orleans District Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Williams, whose Twitter handle is the People's DA. The petition,

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<v Speaker 1>which included a timeline Audrey created started with a very

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward ask at the top, requesting DA Jason R. Williams

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate the death of Jessica Easterly dearning, it goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to read, in part.

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<v Speaker 7>We fully believe that this case has not been taken

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<v Speaker 7>seriously by local authorities from the beginning, and this impression

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<v Speaker 7>is based on the following elements of Jessica's story and

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<v Speaker 7>the collective solid information that we have obtained over the

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<v Speaker 7>course of its investigation. It is our firm belief that

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<v Speaker 7>once you examine the information we have gathered, you will

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<v Speaker 7>agree that the evidence pointing to Jessica's murder is palpable,

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<v Speaker 7>and the fact that it has been blatantly ignored by

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<v Speaker 7>the law is nothing short of derelict to their duties

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<v Speaker 7>to protect and seek justice for all members of their community.

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<v Speaker 7>We love and miss Jessica more than we can put

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<v Speaker 7>into words. She was a human being who did not

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<v Speaker 7>deserve to die so young, much less by the hands

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<v Speaker 7>of another person. Jessica was a living, breathing life, and

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<v Speaker 7>she had dreams, a favorite food, a favorite song. She

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<v Speaker 7>was smart and funny, and she loved with all of

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<v Speaker 7>her heart, sometimes to a fault. We implore you, the

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<v Speaker 7>People's DA Jason R. Williams, to please commence your own

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<v Speaker 7>investigation of the death of Ja Jessica easterly darning and

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<v Speaker 7>bring charges and retributions to the individuals responsible. Thank you

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<v Speaker 7>for your time and I look forward to working with

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<v Speaker 7>you to finally resolve my sister's case.

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<v Speaker 1>The virtual signature steadily grew by the hundreds and then

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands. Eventually the petition garnered the attention of true

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<v Speaker 1>crime YouTuber Kindle Ray for.

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<v Speaker 6>Jessica because they deserve answers. Jessica deserves justice. This case

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<v Speaker 6>just tore my heart apart. So again I'll put all

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<v Speaker 6>that information below. You can follow Justice for Jessica, you

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<v Speaker 6>can fign the petition, and you can make a short

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<v Speaker 6>phone call in an email. It's going to make a

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<v Speaker 6>huge difference.

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<v Speaker 1>So I reach out to Kendall to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>an internet community helped stretch Jessica's village by the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands. In fact, it was on Twitter where she

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<v Speaker 1>first learned about Jessica's case with a tweet by you

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<v Speaker 1>Guessed It. Audrey seen tweets from Audrey about the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and I reached out to her and then she followed

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<v Speaker 1>me and we connected via DM and then I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got her email from there, And when I really

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<v Speaker 1>started to dive into the case and go over all

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<v Speaker 1>the information that was available, I was just blown away

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<v Speaker 1>that there wasn't any movement in the case and there

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<v Speaker 1>was very minimal coverage from what I was seeing. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to be of help in some way

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<v Speaker 1>and get some traction going and hopefully work towards justice.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean I was just blown away by the

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<v Speaker 1>strength of their family and after all the trauma that

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<v Speaker 1>they had been through, for them to still be fighting

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<v Speaker 1>and doing everything they can with minimal help and resources.

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<v Speaker 1>I just really wanted to be part of that. This

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the first time Kendall has used her social media

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<v Speaker 1>prowess for good. She's well aware of the impact the

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<v Speaker 1>public can make in a case like Jessica's.

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<v Speaker 8>We have done several petitions over the years, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 8>we have luck with them, sometimes we don't. Normally, when

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<v Speaker 8>we pair it with a calling and email campaign, that

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<v Speaker 8>really gets things going. But the petition was basically an

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<v Speaker 8>easy way for anyone to participate if they didn't want

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<v Speaker 8>to take the extra step to email and call. We

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<v Speaker 8>just kind of came up with the idea to really

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<v Speaker 8>go after Jason Williams and get him to step up

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<v Speaker 8>to the plate and be the people's DA that he

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<v Speaker 8>claimed to be and investigate the case and basically get

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<v Speaker 8>any movement going. And basically I've realized that the power

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<v Speaker 8>of the masses is real and that we can really

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<v Speaker 8>make a change if enough people demand. It just really

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<v Speaker 8>takes enough people demanding justice, demanding action to actually get

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<v Speaker 8>people to do things sometimes, and there's been so many

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<v Speaker 8>cases that I've worked on where we've sent people to

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<v Speaker 8>call an email and sign petitions and it really just

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<v Speaker 8>works wonders because when they start feeling the pressure, then

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<v Speaker 8>action is actually taken.

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<v Speaker 1>Once Kendle Ray's video hit the Internet, the signature skyrocketed

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<v Speaker 1>to over one hundred thousand between the now largely supported

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<v Speaker 1>petition and all the retweets tagging the DA with the

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<v Speaker 1>hashtag justice for Jessica. Less than a month later, on

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<v Speaker 1>May fourth, twenty twenty one, District Attorney Jason Williams made

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<v Speaker 1>a public announcement on his Twitter page using the same

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<v Speaker 1>hashtag Justice for Jessica.

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<v Speaker 9>District Attorney Wims is absolutely willing to meet with the

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<v Speaker 9>family of Jessica Easterly Derning to discuss this horrible matter.

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<v Speaker 9>He is also committed to re examining this matter with

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<v Speaker 9>fresh eyes and revisiting all facts and evidence involved with

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<v Speaker 9>this case in any other in New Orleans. DA Wims

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<v Speaker 9>is dedicated to seeking justice.

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<v Speaker 1>And the DA followed through on his promise. In May

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty one, less than a month after Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>created the petition, DA Jason Williams sat down with the

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<v Speaker 1>family to talk about Jessica's case. Audrey shared the update

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<v Speaker 1>on the change dot org page on May sixteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one.

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<v Speaker 7>We have met with the People's DA Jason Williams. At

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<v Speaker 7>this time, we are unable to comment regarding this meeting.

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<v Speaker 7>The world is watching and I hope this injustice is

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<v Speaker 7>taken seriously and accountability and justice will be served. Thank

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<v Speaker 7>you to everyone who has taken an interest in getting

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<v Speaker 7>Jessica the justice she deserves. It takes a village, and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm so thankful that you are part of Jessica's village,

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<v Speaker 7>demanding answers and accountability. Today, I leave you with one

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<v Speaker 7>thought said by doctor Martin Luther King, injustice anywhere is

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<v Speaker 7>a threat to justice everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey shared a glimpse of their three hour meeting. When

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<v Speaker 1>we spoke over the phone.

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<v Speaker 10>It was me, my sister, Amanda, Maria, my dad, and

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<v Speaker 10>we all went down there and we met with them,

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<v Speaker 10>and it was the DA. It was Alison Morgato, the

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<v Speaker 10>head of homicide was in there. He sounded very interested.

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<v Speaker 10>He said that he was sorry for what has happened

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<v Speaker 10>and how NPD have I handled this, And we just

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<v Speaker 10>talked to him about everything that we had and then

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<v Speaker 10>he was telling me that, you know, basically they were

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<v Speaker 10>going to look into it. And then I don't know, probably,

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<v Speaker 10>like I want to say, maybe a week or two later,

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<v Speaker 10>we heard from Alison Morgato and she said that Investigator

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<v Speaker 10>Joe Lorenzo was going to be handling the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Joe Lorenzo is an investigator with the DA's office.

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<v Speaker 10>I sent him over everything. I mean, he does keep

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<v Speaker 10>in contact with me if I have a question and

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<v Speaker 10>he'll answer it.

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<v Speaker 1>The case is now in the office's hands, and Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>admits that after their initial meeting, she felt optimistic for

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<v Speaker 1>what seemed like the first time.

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<v Speaker 10>I felt very hopeful, like he actually cared, like he

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<v Speaker 10>is fixing to solve this case. We're going to find

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<v Speaker 10>out exactly what happens to.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister Jessica.

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<v Speaker 1>And just as momentum started to swing in the family's favor,

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey's hope was further manifested an announcement from the DA himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He was planning to hold a press conference about Jessica's case,

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<v Speaker 1>So on August twenty fifth, twenty twenty one, I hopped

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<v Speaker 1>on a flight and headed back to New Orleans. The

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<v Speaker 1>press conference is scheduled for four o'clock in the Lakeview neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>near the area where Jessica's body was found. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>podium set up on top of a hill next to

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<v Speaker 1>the train tracks. The air is thick and the heat

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<v Speaker 1>is almost unbearable. Moisture balls up and slowly drips from

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<v Speaker 1>my nose onto the blank pages of my notebook. Local

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<v Speaker 1>media starts shuffling in, setting up their tripods and cameras

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<v Speaker 1>as reporters hold their recorders and notebooks. Everyone has their

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<v Speaker 1>phone out ready to snap photos. Jessica's mom, Donna Schmidt,

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<v Speaker 1>stands just to the side of the podium along with

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<v Speaker 1>her father, who's holding a white homemade sign with Jessica's

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<v Speaker 1>photo and the hashtag Justice for Jessica. The sign reads

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<v Speaker 1>we are not going to rest, We are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to give up on this. We are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>wash our hands of this or back down at all

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<v Speaker 1>until justice is served in this case. Behind them, more

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<v Speaker 1>family members hold neon pink signs in support of Jessica.

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<v Speaker 1>Her sister, Audrey, is wearing a purple T shirt, and

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<v Speaker 1>her fingernails peeking around the corner of a sign she's

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<v Speaker 1>holding are also perple, Jessica's favorite color. Audrey holds steady,

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<v Speaker 1>a face of grit and determination as the clock ticks

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<v Speaker 1>past four. Then a hush comes over the small crowd

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<v Speaker 1>as a suited man walks to the microphone, puts on

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of tortoiseshell glasses, and clears his throat. District

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney Jason Williams of Orleans Parish kicks off the press

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<v Speaker 1>conference by welcoming the family to the site where they

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<v Speaker 1>found Jessica's body just two years earlier.

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<v Speaker 11>First of all, let me just say to the family

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<v Speaker 11>of Jessica, I want to thank them for being at

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<v Speaker 11>this place, at this site. I know it is not easy.

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<v Speaker 11>I know every time they come anywhere close to this area.

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<v Speaker 11>They are reliving the worst moment of their lives. As

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<v Speaker 11>you know, two years ago, we unfortunately lost Jessica after

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<v Speaker 11>going missing. Jessica's sisters found her deceased just steps away

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<v Speaker 11>from where we're standing right now. And since that day,

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<v Speaker 11>this family has had absolutely no closure in this case.

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<v Speaker 11>They've gotten no answers in this case. Each of these

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<v Speaker 11>strong family members behind me is a constant reminder of

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<v Speaker 11>the work that this office has to do. Frankly, the

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<v Speaker 11>entire criminal legal system at large must do to solve

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<v Speaker 11>cases like this one and many other cases across the

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<v Speaker 11>city that remain unsolved after two years. Unsolved, a case

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<v Speaker 11>is considered cold, and we all know that for far

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<v Speaker 11>too many decades, too many murder cases is in the

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<v Speaker 11>Parish of Orleans have gone unsolved, and every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>That goes the DA announces he's starting a cold case unit,

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<v Speaker 1>using Jessica's case as a segue to discuss the bigger picture.

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<v Speaker 11>Since nineteen sixty four, approximately five thousand, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 11>thirty two cases murder cases have gone unsolved in our city.

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<v Speaker 11>And when you add the numbers of those loss lives

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<v Speaker 11>to the family and friends, impacted by these unsolved murders.

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<v Speaker 11>You can easily understand the cycle of trauma and violence

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<v Speaker 11>in our communty. Solving cold cases is a hard job.

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<v Speaker 11>It is difficult. It is an uphill battle. But I

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<v Speaker 11>ran for DA so that this office could lead and

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<v Speaker 11>be a partner with the rest of the criminal legal

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<v Speaker 11>system doing the hardest things, doing the difficult task. This

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<v Speaker 11>cold Case Unit will specifically and strategically target and review

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<v Speaker 11>cases that have not been resolved. This unit is going

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<v Speaker 11>to revisit past data and put fresh eyes on the evidence,

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<v Speaker 11>put fresh eyes on the people and persons of interest

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<v Speaker 11>that first peaked law enforcements curiosity, so that we can

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<v Speaker 11>do everything within our power, everything within our distress and

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<v Speaker 11>authority to bring closure and resolution to these families.

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<v Speaker 1>The DA's newly created Cold Case Unit will tackle thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of cases that have remained unsolved in the city for

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<v Speaker 1>far too long. Williams admits tall task for a single unit.

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<v Speaker 1>So Williams makes a plea to the city and more directly,

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<v Speaker 1>to the Lakeview neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 11>The purpose of today's press conference on these railroad tracks, however,

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<v Speaker 11>is to make a very clear and a very direct

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<v Speaker 11>public appeal to this community, because we cannot do this

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<v Speaker 11>work alone. We need you, the members of the public.

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<v Speaker 11>We need you to help us. We need you to

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<v Speaker 11>speak up, because in order to solve cold cases and

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<v Speaker 11>unsolved murders, all of the law enforcement community needs your help.

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<v Speaker 11>This city, the five thousand plus unsolved cases, needs your help.

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<v Speaker 11>This family needs your help. I need your help. If

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<v Speaker 11>you have any information whatsoever about Jessica's last moments, about

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<v Speaker 11>Jessica's last day, about Jessica's death, I'm begging you to

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<v Speaker 11>come forward. I am pleading with you to provide any information,

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<v Speaker 11>no matter how small you might think it is. Today

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<v Speaker 11>I have with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Williams wraps his speech by introducing the Chief of Victim

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<v Speaker 1>Witnesses Services, Alison Legato, from his office. She leads what

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<v Speaker 1>he calls an integral team of sixteen. Since recently taking office,

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<v Speaker 1>he says he's doubled the size of her team because

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't enough time and attention given to witnesses, victims,

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<v Speaker 1>and survivors, providing them not only with mental health support

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<v Speaker 1>but also safety as he takes cases to trial. In closing,

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<v Speaker 1>Williams makes one final plea to the public, and I.

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<v Speaker 11>Want to say to this family. Just like I said

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<v Speaker 11>to Jessica's mother, you have our thoughts and prayers and

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<v Speaker 11>you know that. But this family needs more than that.

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<v Speaker 11>This family needs us to work and work together. This

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 11>family needs us to be a team. This family needs

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<v Speaker 11>closure and deserves justice. And in the world, the way

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<v Speaker 11>that we could achieve that is for private citizens to

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<v Speaker 11>get involved in this fight. To not sit down and

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<v Speaker 11>take information to bet with you at night, or take

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<v Speaker 11>it to your grave, but to speak out and tell

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<v Speaker 11>us what you know. Tell us what you saw, no

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<v Speaker 11>matter how insignificant you might think it was. If you

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<v Speaker 11>think you saw someone who matches Jessica's description on this

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<v Speaker 11>faithful night, give us at information on the day before,

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<v Speaker 11>get us at information. This is how we solve cold cases.

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<v Speaker 11>This is what we need to move this investigation forward.

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<v Speaker 11>So at this time, I would please like.

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<v Speaker 1>To welcome Darlene Constanza, the President and CEO of Crime

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<v Speaker 1>Stoppers in New Orleans, has led the anonymous tipline efforts

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<v Speaker 1>in Jessica's case.

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<v Speaker 12>From day one, we got calls and requests for help

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<v Speaker 12>in Jessica's case, and they wouldn't give up. They knew

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<v Speaker 12>that there was something that more that could be discovered

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<v Speaker 12>there was more to the story and for crime Stoppers,

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<v Speaker 12>and we have to take our leave from law enforcement

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<v Speaker 12>and where a case would stand.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can just say that we're here.

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<v Speaker 12>Crime Stoppers doesn't go away.

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<v Speaker 3>But all we do.

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<v Speaker 12>Is step up in front of the victims' families and say,

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<v Speaker 12>let us be your voice. Let us be that anonymous

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<v Speaker 12>way for people in the community who may be fearful

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<v Speaker 12>to get involved. Yes there's a reward, Yes we do that,

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<v Speaker 12>it's twenty five hundred. But more importantly, it's time now

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<v Speaker 12>to say enough is enough. I'm not gonna let another

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<v Speaker 12>family go through this. I would not want my family

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<v Speaker 12>to go through it. And I can tell you whatever

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<v Speaker 12>information you have, don't think it's too small.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>As Darlene leaves a podium, I notice a petite woman

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<v Speaker 1>start to wade through the large chunks of gravel towards

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the hill overlooking the Lakeview neighborhood. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just Pscka's mother, Donna. She's about to speak publicly for

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<v Speaker 1>the very first time. Donna's wearing a charcoal gray sleeveless

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<v Speaker 1>romper with a sheer black veil softly draped over her

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<v Speaker 1>silver hair. A small pair of round black sunglasses shade

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<v Speaker 1>her from the sun and conceal her eyes. Already welling

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<v Speaker 1>up with sadness and anger, She cautiously approaches the podium

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<v Speaker 1>with numerous microphones pointed at her in anticipation. The silence

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<v Speaker 1>is palpable. She removes her sunglasses and hangs them gently

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<v Speaker 1>from her scarf. As she begins to speak, her voice quivers.

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<v Speaker 13>She is my only biological daughter. I have vivid memories

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<v Speaker 13>from the day that she was born, and she was

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<v Speaker 13>a very vibrate, talented, loving woman. I do not believe,

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<v Speaker 13>and I will never believe, my daughter died at the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughter was dumped.

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<v Speaker 13>This investigation was handled poorly. All efforts within the department

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<v Speaker 13>was shut down.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a cold case.

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<v Speaker 13>Her death undetermined. My daughter was dumped two blocks.

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<v Speaker 3>From her resident in a wooded area.

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<v Speaker 13>Fractures of the neck and cervical spine and ribs occurred

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<v Speaker 13>after she died. I believe justice will be served.

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<v Speaker 3>Justice is always served.

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<v Speaker 13>It may not be served in this world, but it

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<v Speaker 13>will be served in the next.

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<v Speaker 3>And her predator will receive that justice.

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<v Speaker 13>But it is not until people come forth and tell

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<v Speaker 13>their stories and have the courage to at least say something.

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<v Speaker 13>People are so fearful, but you have to put yourself

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<v Speaker 13>into situations that families have put in when unsolved murders occur.

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<v Speaker 13>When that precious daughter that you held in your arms,

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<v Speaker 13>that you nurtured all those years, that you have vivid

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<v Speaker 13>members of night in and night out, that.

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<v Speaker 14>She's in a war, she is in a mor for

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<v Speaker 14>almost two years, two years. Please come forward, Please have

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<v Speaker 14>that courage to do what is necessary to solve this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

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<v Speaker 13>I will remember each and every face here today for

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<v Speaker 13>your support.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Donna stepped somberly away from the microphone and back out

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<v Speaker 1>of the spotlight as da Williams approaches the podium once more,

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<v Speaker 1>making one final appeal following Donna's cry for help, I.

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<v Speaker 11>Want to take this podium and be in these shoes.

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<v Speaker 11>No father ever wants to be in these shoes. I

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<v Speaker 11>am pleading with the members of this community, no matter

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<v Speaker 11>how small or slight you believe your information might be,

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<v Speaker 11>no matter how scared or nervous you might be, for

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<v Speaker 11>coming for you. We have systems in place to protect

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<v Speaker 11>your dinner. We have systems in place to help and

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<v Speaker 11>protect you. I'm asking that if you know anything about

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<v Speaker 11>Jessica's disappearance, her death, or her final days, please get

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<v Speaker 11>that information to crime stoppers or get that information to

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<v Speaker 11>the DA's office. At eight two to two two.

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<v Speaker 1>After wrapping up, William starts taking questions from reporters, and

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<v Speaker 1>I jump at the chance. I've been eager to ask

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific question ever since he made the announcement

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd be looking into Jessica's case.

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<v Speaker 3>The cold case unit.

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<v Speaker 15>You spoke a lot of about homicide victims and the

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<v Speaker 15>many cases that are here in the city. The coroner

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<v Speaker 15>has ruled her cause and manner of death as undetermined.

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<v Speaker 15>Is your investigator looking at this case as a homicide?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you investigating her death?

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<v Speaker 11>You never put the cart before the horse and say

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<v Speaker 11>what you're gonna find, But when you have a suspicious death,

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<v Speaker 11>I think you investigated. My office is investigating any death

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<v Speaker 11>like this as a homicide, looking for any answers, looking

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<v Speaker 11>for any evidence, And today we're begging with the public

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<v Speaker 11>to come forward with more information, more witness testimony, and

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<v Speaker 11>more evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first time anyone in any investigative official

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<v Speaker 1>capacity has ever said that Jessica Easterly Derning's case was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be investigated as a homicide. While the coroner

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<v Speaker 1>has deemed Jessica's cause and manner of death as undetermined,

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<v Speaker 1>william says the corner's office doesn't have all the information.

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<v Speaker 11>Each case is different, Each case has a unique set

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<v Speaker 11>of circumstances, and frankly, you know what, how a coroner

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<v Speaker 11>classifies the death is based upon a very limited set

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<v Speaker 11>of facts. Corners aren't looking at all of the interviews.

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<v Speaker 11>Corners aren't looking at all the police supports. Corners don't

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<v Speaker 11>get all the evidence. They are really faced with a

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<v Speaker 11>limited set of facts that's before them, and that it

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<v Speaker 11>should not and cannot be the end of the termination.

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<v Speaker 3>Got any other question?

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<v Speaker 1>I just had one more.

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<v Speaker 15>Sure, are you looking at any one particular person of

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<v Speaker 15>interest at this time?

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<v Speaker 11>I certainly cannot answer that question with you.

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<v Speaker 1>He assures the public that at this point in his

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<v Speaker 1>office's investigation, nothing is off the table.

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<v Speaker 11>I haven't taken anything off the books, and I cannot.

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<v Speaker 11>I cannot take anything off the books. We have to

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<v Speaker 11>investigate any and every lead that comes to us. That

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<v Speaker 11>is what an investigation is. If you have predetermined something,

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<v Speaker 11>then you are not doing a thorough investigation, so we're

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<v Speaker 11>looking at every single leap. All right, thank you guys,

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<v Speaker 11>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>For Following the press conference, we move into Audrey's cousin,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie's air conditioned car, to cool off and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how they felt everything went and where they go from here.

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<v Speaker 1>He said the words today that his office is investigating

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<v Speaker 1>this as a homicide.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes me happy. That makes me real.

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<v Speaker 15>Happy, considering it's classified as unclassified with n OPD classified

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<v Speaker 15>as undetermined with the coroner's office. To have someone in

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<v Speaker 15>a high power investigating her case as a homicide.

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<v Speaker 16>Correct, Yes, yeah, that makes me happy that he's now

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<v Speaker 16>considering it as a homicide.

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<v Speaker 15>Do you have some thing that you haven't had in

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<v Speaker 15>the last two years?

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<v Speaker 3>Hope and faith that this will be resolved, hopefully soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Audrey how she felt listening to her mom

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<v Speaker 1>speak publicly for the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's great that she spoke that.

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<v Speaker 16>And I don't know if you know, but my mother

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<v Speaker 16>has a medical background, so all those injuries that my

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<v Speaker 16>sister suffered, she has seen that before, so she knows.

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<v Speaker 3>What she's talking about.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, I'm glad she said it, but I feel

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<v Speaker 16>sad because my mother shouldn't have to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>No mother should ever have to do that.

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<v Speaker 16>And ask for the public's help in a cold case.

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<v Speaker 15>Do you think that the DA's words, crime stoppers words,

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<v Speaker 15>your mom's words resonated today with someone.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so I'm praying and that they'll call crime

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<v Speaker 3>stoppers and give us that one little piece of the

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<v Speaker 3>puzzle that we need.

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<v Speaker 15>You said you had faith, and you have hope.

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<v Speaker 17>I always have faith in hope, no matter what, I

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<v Speaker 17>always have faith in hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey tells me the family had finally laid Jessica to

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<v Speaker 1>rest with a funeral just a few weeks ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic had sort of put that on hold. She thinks

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<v Speaker 1>the timing of that with today's press conference is what

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<v Speaker 1>finally propelled Jessica's mother to speak out for the first time.

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<v Speaker 16>I think maybe after Jessica's funeral on Saturday, I think

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<v Speaker 16>she fills like she needs to say something.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 15>Can you tell me a little bit about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Was August twenty first?

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<v Speaker 15>Was that when you had the funeral?

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, it was August twenty first. It was in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 16>It was that Saint Margaret of Scotland Catholic.

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<v Speaker 3>Church and it was a beautiful, beautiful church.

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<v Speaker 16>It's the surech that my parents go tom but.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a service there for Jessica.

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<v Speaker 17>It definitely made me realize that my sister's no longer here,

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<v Speaker 17>Like I knew that she wasn't here before, but I

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<v Speaker 17>think that that just like I finally realized that my

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<v Speaker 17>sister really is gone. And I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 17>closure because I hate that word, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It made me accept that Jessica really has gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie explains what the journey and the struggle have been

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<v Speaker 1>like for Audrey a two year battle in counting it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a roller coaster ride of emotions, hope given, hope

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<v Speaker 1>taken away over and over again, which is why this

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<v Speaker 1>new investigation means so much to her.

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<v Speaker 18>She needed to believe in the DA and what the

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<v Speaker 18>DA was saying and that it wasn't this same song

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<v Speaker 18>and dance that NPD had sold. And once she can

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<v Speaker 18>believe that they are doing what they're saying they're doing

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<v Speaker 18>and put the faith in them, then she will be

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<v Speaker 18>able to back off of it a little bit because

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<v Speaker 18>she understands they have their role to do and that

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<v Speaker 18>she can't know everything they're doing because we've talked about this.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, it's just hard for me to trust because for

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<v Speaker 16>a year and a half I have heard, oh, yeah

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<v Speaker 16>we're going to do this, so, yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 16>do that, and nothing was ever done.

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<v Speaker 3>So in that regards, yes, I do have faith because

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<v Speaker 3>I do know that some things have been you know,

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<v Speaker 3>been done.

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<v Speaker 15>Do you think the DA's office is going to be

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<v Speaker 15>the ones who solve her case?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 13>I do.

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<v Speaker 15>What does solving her case? What does justice for Jessica

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<v Speaker 15>look like for you? What does that day look like

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<v Speaker 15>for you?

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<v Speaker 17>The day that the judge says guilty, that would.

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<v Speaker 3>Be justice for Jessica, and then.

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<v Speaker 17>That person or person's will be in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be justice. That has to happen. It just

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<v Speaker 3>has to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing is for certain. If justice is ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, someone must investigate her case. And while there's

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<v Speaker 1>a renewed sense of interest and urgency by the DA,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still hard for the family and at this point

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<v Speaker 1>for us to sit back and trust that everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>doing what needs to be done. So Todd and I

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<v Speaker 1>make a call. We believe we have some important information,

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<v Speaker 1>a recommendation we want to share regarding those text messages

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<v Speaker 1>from a concerned neighbor which we covered in our last

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<v Speaker 1>episode and what could be a vital piece of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, but it has an expiration date and

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<v Speaker 1>right now the clock is ticking.

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<v Speaker 19>So there was a neighbor of Justin Derney's by Jay Royce.

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<v Speaker 19>He had communicated with a phone over the next door

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<v Speaker 19>app and he says during the text thread it was

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<v Speaker 19>an accident and he said she slipped and fell in

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<v Speaker 19>the bathroom. Just so you know, location information for that

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<v Speaker 19>phone service provider are purged in two years, so unless

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<v Speaker 19>someone sends in a preservation request to the service provider,

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<v Speaker 19>if you don't get them by October of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 19>they will be purged.

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