1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Hey listeners Jessica here, be sure to check out new 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: episodes of Undetermined every Tuesday for free wherever you get 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: your podcasts. For early and ad free listening, check out 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot plus on Apple Podcasts. The views and opinions expressed 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: in this podcast are solely those of the individuals interviewed 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: and participating in the show, and do not represent those 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: of Tenderfoot TV and resonate recordings. All individuals described or 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: mentioned in the podcast should be considered innocent until found 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: guilty in a court of law. 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Jessica's sister, Audrey, 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: has never forgotten a sit down she had with three 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: n OPD detectives back in January twenty twenty, a meeting 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: that lit a fire in her which still burns to 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: this day. 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 2: So, in this meeting, they told me and my dad 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: that it was a cold case and that there was 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: nothing that homicide. 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: Could do about it. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: And I got really upset and I slammed my fist 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: down on the table. I stood up and I said, 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: how can it possibly be a cold case, and then 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: that was really just about all of it, because by 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: that time I was just like, I'm done. I'm fucking done. 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 2: This means war. 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: Growing up, Audrey was always the self proclaimed rebel out 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: of the three sisters, the one who spoke out, stood out, 28 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and stood up. And since Jessica's death in twenty nineteen, 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: Audrey's been a rebel with a cause because getting justice 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: for her Jessica. No matter what it takes, it's just. 31 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: A fucked up situation and it has me questioning life 32 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: and just everything in general. We were always taught, you know, 33 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: if you need help, then you ask the cops for help. 34 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: But this is just opened my eyes and it's like 35 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: they're not doing anything. Why would we How can we 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: even trust someone that's not even doing their job? 37 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, Audrey's actually been fighting two separate 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: battles since losing Jessica, one of course, with the NPD 39 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: over the lack of resolution in her sister's case, but 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: another with the Corner's office over her sister's remains, which 41 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: have been stuck there since her family discovered her body 42 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: on August twenty second, twenty eighteen. But come early twenty 43 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: twenty one, the family was finally given some hope, though 44 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: for Audrey this still loved one unnerving question. 45 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 4: I felt like, oh my god, finally they're releasing her 46 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 4: to us. 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: But then I was also upset because I was like, well. 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 4: Why did they give him five hundred and thirty days 49 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: before they actually told us we. 50 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: Could have her. 51 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Inside Jessica's mother's home, there's a memorial set up on 52 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: a table. White angels perched on wooden pedestals keep over 53 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: a photo of Jessica that's placed inside a small bible 54 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: propped open, along with a white tapered candle standing tall 55 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: in a gold holder. A silver and white pearl rosary 56 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: is draped nearby. All of it centered around a glass cross, 57 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: which sits on top of Jessica's round marble urn with 58 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: stars and a large crescent moon etched on the top. 59 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: For her love of astrology and celestial beauty. It reads 60 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: Jessica Renee Easterly Heaven's Melody Starlit Cosmic Dancer crossing the Universe. 61 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: Born August seventeenth, nineteen seventy six, deceased August twenty second, 62 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Many loved ones have written their memories of 63 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Jessica in an online obituary, like her best friend Maria, 64 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: whom Jessica called low, who wrote, I don't know how 65 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: to accept this theft of light from the world. I 66 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: miss you like crazy. I hear the music you send me. 67 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: I love you always and forever. And our mother Donna, 68 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: who wrote, you are worth every day, every prayer, every 69 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: fear and every tear I shed those four months in 70 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: bed waiting for you to grow to term. I love you, 71 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Jessica Easterly. Audrey thinks about her younger sister Jessica every 72 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: single day. Inside her home hangs a beautiful silver wind 73 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: chime that Jessica had given to her. It reminds Audrey 74 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: of her sister each time a gentle breeze passes through. 75 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: The top is a full sun linked to a series 76 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: of metal chimes, holding all the pieces together. Dangling by 77 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: a thin wire. Just below the chimes is a moon 78 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: holding a Audrey remembers the day Jessica bought it, and 79 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: she told Audrey that it reminded her of the bond 80 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: they shared. The two even had matching astrology themed tattoos, 81 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: Audrey with the sun and Jessica with the moon and 82 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: a star. It's the wind chime blowing softly in the 83 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: southern breeze. Each time Audrey opens the door that reminds 84 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: her family. With every twist and turn throughout Jessica's story, 85 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: there was a reason, a purpose. Take Jessica's urn for example, 86 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: the one in the middle of that elaborate memorial back 87 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: at her mother's house, a symbol of closure, but for 88 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: this family, so much more than that. Jessica may be 89 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: at rest and at home now, where she should be, 90 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: but she didn't get there through normal circumstances, not even close, 91 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: I'll explain. From August twenty nineteen to February twenty twenty one, 92 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: Jessica's body sat in the morgue unclaimed. Throughout that time, 93 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: Audrey remained persistent with the coroner's office, but ultimately it 94 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: was out of her control. The family was stuck hopeless. 95 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: Not only was Jessica's case in limbo, Jessica herself was 96 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: also in limbo. That was until January of twenty twenty one, 97 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: when out of the blue, Audrey received a call she'd 98 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: been waiting on for a long time. 99 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: So January fifth, the coroner called me and asked me 100 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: if my name was Audrey Schmidt, and I said yes, 101 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: And I said, can we have Jessica? He said, well, 102 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: he goes, I'm going to have to make it legal 103 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: and send justin legal notices. I was like okay. I 104 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: was like, well, can you give me a timeline? He said, 105 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: I cannot give you a timeline. 106 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: Fortunately for Audrey, it didn't take long to hear something 107 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: more definitive. She remembers the wave of emotions excitement, of course, 108 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: but she felt conflicted. 109 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: I felt like, oh my god, finally they're releasing her 110 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: to us. But then I was also upset because I 111 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: was like, well, hawkm it took. 112 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: Five hundred and thirty days. Why did they give him 113 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: five hundred and thirty days before they actually told us we. 114 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: Could have her. 115 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Audrey immediately reached out to her cousin, Doug, who, if 116 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: you remember, works in the funeral home industry. 117 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 5: It took about what a year and five months before 118 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 5: the chain of custody moved to the next link. And 119 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: that was a bittersweet moment because right of custody and 120 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 5: right of disposition are two different things, and it was 121 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 5: both frustrating and a relief at the same time, because 122 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 5: it's still left open for one important invariable because naturally 123 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 5: an next of kin would still be justin. He's the spouse, 124 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 5: but we had to try to make attempts to contact 125 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 5: him throughout a ten day period in order to see 126 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 5: if there's any objection on his part before the next Mexicican, 127 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 5: which is Jessica's mom, can take the right of disposition. 128 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 6: And that was a. 129 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 5: Hard ten days because you just don't know. We didn't 130 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 5: know if he was going to object, and he did not. 131 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 5: Ten days passed. On the eleventh day, we made arrangements 132 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: for Louisiana Funeral Home to drive to pick her up. 133 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: After five hundred and thirty days at the Corner's office, 134 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Jessica was finally coming home. As Audrey made arrangements to 135 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: pick up Jessica's body from the Corner's office, she had 136 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: just one important request when. 137 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: She told me that, hey, you know, I have custody 138 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 5: and I want to get a second autopsy. I immediately 139 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: asked one of my line balmer coworkers and friends. I said, hey, man, 140 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 5: they said that there's not much left to do an autopsy. 141 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 5: You know, she's been in a cooler. She wasn't involved 142 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 5: for a year and five months, he said, and he 143 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 5: was able to paint a picture for me of what 144 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 5: to expect at that level of dcom. 145 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: The picture he described Doug was disturbing, to say the least, 146 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: but it at least left room for optimism when it 147 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: came to the possibility of a second autopsy. But when 148 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: they finally received her remains. 149 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 5: It was a little box of bones and they looked 150 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 5: like they were perfectly cleaned, organized in a box, complete 151 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: opposite of what I was expected from these guys who 152 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 5: have been doing this upwards of twenty years. They couldn't 153 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 5: explain while it was a box of bones. They say, so, 154 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 5: did did y'all want this thing like cleaned and organized 155 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 5: or something really and give them any instruction to do 156 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 5: any of that? We didn't even know that was an option. 157 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 5: And that is one question, the biggest question I have, 158 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 5: just because of my profession. What did y'all do to 159 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 5: these remains to reduce it to this? Because from what 160 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 5: I understand that this is not a normal thing. It 161 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 5: blew my mind because I'm like I work here. I've 162 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 5: personally gone and picked up people who have been sitting 163 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 5: in corners office, medical examiners offices, or crime labs and 164 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: Jackson that have been there for a long time and 165 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 5: they're still intact. But dcomp obviously still happens. Never seen 166 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 5: it like that, Absolutely not. 167 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: Boons. 168 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: That's all that was left of Jessica. To make matters worse, 169 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: no further medical examinations can ever be performed on her body, 170 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: no more answers when it comes to her death, at 171 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: least not from a medical perspective. The unfortunate news was 172 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: like a punch in the gut for Audrey, who was 173 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: really hinging on the idea of a second autopsy, but 174 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: she did her best to remain strong and focused on 175 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: the positive. At this point, she was ready to bring 176 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: her sister home, and on February second, twenty twenty one, 177 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: she and Doug made the drive to New Orleans to 178 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: do just that. 179 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 5: That was the first victory in all of this, the 180 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 5: first of this whole chain of events, this whole discovery, 181 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 5: this whole thing that was the one thing only because 182 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 5: it relied on him being the exact person that he 183 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 5: is to not be smart enough to say I can 184 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 5: object and then they can't do anything. Well, that's exactly 185 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 5: what we were hoping. It wouldn't happened because it was 186 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 5: a very real possibility. He had a very important card 187 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 5: that he didn't play. We're thankful he didn't do it. 188 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: This was the family's first real triumph. They had Jessica. 189 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: It felt amazing, It felt like a win, like of 190 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 4: nothing but losses and this haunt ore thing. 191 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: It was totally awesome. 192 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: With only a box of her bones, Jessica's family has 193 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: her cremated, and shortly after Valentine's Day, Audrey, Amanda, and 194 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: their parents gathered in Mississippi to say their goodbyes to Jessica. 195 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: With Jessica at home and at rest, there was now 196 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: just one thing to focus on, finding out what really 197 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: happened to Jessica. So Audrey, more energized than ever before, 198 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: got to work. She went on the Internet and made 199 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: a website, Justice for Jessica dot org, dedicated to her 200 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: sister's case, and also created a Twitter page to share 201 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: related information. And then in April twenty twenty one, she 202 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: drafted an online petition on change dot org designed to 203 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: nab the attention of newly elected New Orleans District Attorney 204 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Jason Williams, whose Twitter handle is the People's DA. The petition, 205 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: which included a timeline Audrey created started with a very 206 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: straightforward ask at the top, requesting DA Jason R. Williams 207 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: to investigate the death of Jessica Easterly dearning, it goes 208 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: on to read, in part. 209 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 7: We fully believe that this case has not been taken 210 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,119 Speaker 7: seriously by local authorities from the beginning, and this impression 211 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 7: is based on the following elements of Jessica's story and 212 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 7: the collective solid information that we have obtained over the 213 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 7: course of its investigation. It is our firm belief that 214 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 7: once you examine the information we have gathered, you will 215 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 7: agree that the evidence pointing to Jessica's murder is palpable, 216 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 7: and the fact that it has been blatantly ignored by 217 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 7: the law is nothing short of derelict to their duties 218 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 7: to protect and seek justice for all members of their community. 219 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 7: We love and miss Jessica more than we can put 220 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 7: into words. She was a human being who did not 221 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 7: deserve to die so young, much less by the hands 222 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 7: of another person. Jessica was a living, breathing life, and 223 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 7: she had dreams, a favorite food, a favorite song. She 224 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 7: was smart and funny, and she loved with all of 225 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 7: her heart, sometimes to a fault. We implore you, the 226 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 7: People's DA Jason R. Williams, to please commence your own 227 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 7: investigation of the death of Ja Jessica easterly darning and 228 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 7: bring charges and retributions to the individuals responsible. Thank you 229 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 7: for your time and I look forward to working with 230 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 7: you to finally resolve my sister's case. 231 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: The virtual signature steadily grew by the hundreds and then 232 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: the thousands. Eventually the petition garnered the attention of true 233 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: crime YouTuber Kindle Ray for. 234 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 6: Jessica because they deserve answers. Jessica deserves justice. This case 235 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 6: just tore my heart apart. So again I'll put all 236 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: that information below. You can follow Justice for Jessica, you 237 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 6: can fign the petition, and you can make a short 238 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 6: phone call in an email. It's going to make a 239 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 6: huge difference. 240 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: So I reach out to Kendall to talk about how 241 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: an internet community helped stretch Jessica's village by the hundreds 242 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: of thousands. In fact, it was on Twitter where she 243 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: first learned about Jessica's case with a tweet by you 244 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Guessed It. Audrey seen tweets from Audrey about the case, 245 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: and I reached out to her and then she followed 246 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: me and we connected via DM and then I kind 247 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: of got her email from there, And when I really 248 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: started to dive into the case and go over all 249 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: the information that was available, I was just blown away 250 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: that there wasn't any movement in the case and there 251 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: was very minimal coverage from what I was seeing. So 252 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: I just wanted to be of help in some way 253 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: and get some traction going and hopefully work towards justice. 254 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: And I mean I was just blown away by the 255 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: strength of their family and after all the trauma that 256 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: they had been through, for them to still be fighting 257 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and doing everything they can with minimal help and resources. 258 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: I just really wanted to be part of that. This 259 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: wasn't the first time Kendall has used her social media 260 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: prowess for good. She's well aware of the impact the 261 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: public can make in a case like Jessica's. 262 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 8: We have done several petitions over the years, and sometimes 263 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 8: we have luck with them, sometimes we don't. Normally, when 264 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 8: we pair it with a calling and email campaign, that 265 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 8: really gets things going. But the petition was basically an 266 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 8: easy way for anyone to participate if they didn't want 267 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 8: to take the extra step to email and call. We 268 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 8: just kind of came up with the idea to really 269 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 8: go after Jason Williams and get him to step up 270 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 8: to the plate and be the people's DA that he 271 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 8: claimed to be and investigate the case and basically get 272 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 8: any movement going. And basically I've realized that the power 273 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 8: of the masses is real and that we can really 274 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 8: make a change if enough people demand. It just really 275 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 8: takes enough people demanding justice, demanding action to actually get 276 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 8: people to do things sometimes, and there's been so many 277 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 8: cases that I've worked on where we've sent people to 278 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 8: call an email and sign petitions and it really just 279 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 8: works wonders because when they start feeling the pressure, then 280 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 8: action is actually taken. 281 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: Once Kendle Ray's video hit the Internet, the signature skyrocketed 282 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: to over one hundred thousand between the now largely supported 283 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: petition and all the retweets tagging the DA with the 284 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: hashtag justice for Jessica. Less than a month later, on 285 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: May fourth, twenty twenty one, District Attorney Jason Williams made 286 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: a public announcement on his Twitter page using the same 287 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: hashtag Justice for Jessica. 288 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 9: District Attorney Wims is absolutely willing to meet with the 289 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 9: family of Jessica Easterly Derning to discuss this horrible matter. 290 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 9: He is also committed to re examining this matter with 291 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 9: fresh eyes and revisiting all facts and evidence involved with 292 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 9: this case in any other in New Orleans. DA Wims 293 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 9: is dedicated to seeking justice. 294 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: And the DA followed through on his promise. In May 295 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, less than a month after Audrey 296 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: created the petition, DA Jason Williams sat down with the 297 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: family to talk about Jessica's case. Audrey shared the update 298 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: on the change dot org page on May sixteenth, twenty 299 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: twenty one. 300 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 7: We have met with the People's DA Jason Williams. At 301 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 7: this time, we are unable to comment regarding this meeting. 302 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 7: The world is watching and I hope this injustice is 303 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 7: taken seriously and accountability and justice will be served. Thank 304 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 7: you to everyone who has taken an interest in getting 305 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 7: Jessica the justice she deserves. It takes a village, and 306 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 7: I'm so thankful that you are part of Jessica's village, 307 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 7: demanding answers and accountability. Today, I leave you with one 308 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 7: thought said by doctor Martin Luther King, injustice anywhere is 309 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 7: a threat to justice everywhere. 310 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: Audrey shared a glimpse of their three hour meeting. When 311 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: we spoke over the phone. 312 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 10: It was me, my sister, Amanda, Maria, my dad, and 313 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 10: we all went down there and we met with them, 314 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 10: and it was the DA. It was Alison Morgato, the 315 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 10: head of homicide was in there. He sounded very interested. 316 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 10: He said that he was sorry for what has happened 317 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 10: and how NPD have I handled this, And we just 318 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 10: talked to him about everything that we had and then 319 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 10: he was telling me that, you know, basically they were 320 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 10: going to look into it. And then I don't know, probably, 321 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 10: like I want to say, maybe a week or two later, 322 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 10: we heard from Alison Morgato and she said that Investigator 323 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 10: Joe Lorenzo was going to be handling the case. 324 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: Detective Joe Lorenzo is an investigator with the DA's office. 325 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 10: I sent him over everything. I mean, he does keep 326 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 10: in contact with me if I have a question and 327 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 10: he'll answer it. 328 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: The case is now in the office's hands, and Audrey 329 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: admits that after their initial meeting, she felt optimistic for 330 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: what seemed like the first time. 331 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 10: I felt very hopeful, like he actually cared, like he 332 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 10: is fixing to solve this case. We're going to find 333 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 10: out exactly what happens to. 334 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: My sister Jessica. 335 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: And just as momentum started to swing in the family's favor, 336 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: Audrey's hope was further manifested an announcement from the DA himself. 337 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: He was planning to hold a press conference about Jessica's case, 338 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: So on August twenty fifth, twenty twenty one, I hopped 339 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: on a flight and headed back to New Orleans. The 340 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: press conference is scheduled for four o'clock in the Lakeview neighborhood, 341 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: near the area where Jessica's body was found. There's a 342 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: podium set up on top of a hill next to 343 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: the train tracks. The air is thick and the heat 344 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: is almost unbearable. Moisture balls up and slowly drips from 345 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: my nose onto the blank pages of my notebook. Local 346 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: media starts shuffling in, setting up their tripods and cameras 347 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: as reporters hold their recorders and notebooks. Everyone has their 348 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: phone out ready to snap photos. Jessica's mom, Donna Schmidt, 349 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: stands just to the side of the podium along with 350 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: her father, who's holding a white homemade sign with Jessica's 351 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: photo and the hashtag Justice for Jessica. The sign reads 352 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: we are not going to rest, We are not going 353 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: to give up on this. We are not going to 354 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: wash our hands of this or back down at all 355 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: until justice is served in this case. Behind them, more 356 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: family members hold neon pink signs in support of Jessica. 357 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: Her sister, Audrey, is wearing a purple T shirt, and 358 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: her fingernails peeking around the corner of a sign she's 359 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: holding are also perple, Jessica's favorite color. Audrey holds steady, 360 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: a face of grit and determination as the clock ticks 361 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: past four. Then a hush comes over the small crowd 362 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: as a suited man walks to the microphone, puts on 363 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: a pair of tortoiseshell glasses, and clears his throat. District 364 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Attorney Jason Williams of Orleans Parish kicks off the press 365 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: conference by welcoming the family to the site where they 366 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: found Jessica's body just two years earlier. 367 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 11: First of all, let me just say to the family 368 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 11: of Jessica, I want to thank them for being at 369 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 11: this place, at this site. I know it is not easy. 370 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 11: I know every time they come anywhere close to this area. 371 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 11: They are reliving the worst moment of their lives. As 372 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 11: you know, two years ago, we unfortunately lost Jessica after 373 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 11: going missing. Jessica's sisters found her deceased just steps away 374 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 11: from where we're standing right now. And since that day, 375 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 11: this family has had absolutely no closure in this case. 376 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 11: They've gotten no answers in this case. Each of these 377 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 11: strong family members behind me is a constant reminder of 378 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 11: the work that this office has to do. Frankly, the 379 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 11: entire criminal legal system at large must do to solve 380 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 11: cases like this one and many other cases across the 381 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 11: city that remain unsolved after two years. Unsolved, a case 382 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 11: is considered cold, and we all know that for far 383 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 11: too many decades, too many murder cases is in the 384 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 11: Parish of Orleans have gone unsolved, and every single day. 385 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: That goes the DA announces he's starting a cold case unit, 386 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: using Jessica's case as a segue to discuss the bigger picture. 387 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 11: Since nineteen sixty four, approximately five thousand, four hundred and 388 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 11: thirty two cases murder cases have gone unsolved in our city. 389 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 11: And when you add the numbers of those loss lives 390 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 11: to the family and friends, impacted by these unsolved murders. 391 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 11: You can easily understand the cycle of trauma and violence 392 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 11: in our communty. Solving cold cases is a hard job. 393 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 11: It is difficult. It is an uphill battle. But I 394 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 11: ran for DA so that this office could lead and 395 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 11: be a partner with the rest of the criminal legal 396 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 11: system doing the hardest things, doing the difficult task. This 397 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 11: cold Case Unit will specifically and strategically target and review 398 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 11: cases that have not been resolved. This unit is going 399 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 11: to revisit past data and put fresh eyes on the evidence, 400 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 11: put fresh eyes on the people and persons of interest 401 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 11: that first peaked law enforcements curiosity, so that we can 402 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 11: do everything within our power, everything within our distress and 403 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 11: authority to bring closure and resolution to these families. 404 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: The DA's newly created Cold Case Unit will tackle thousands 405 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: of cases that have remained unsolved in the city for 406 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: far too long. Williams admits tall task for a single unit. 407 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: So Williams makes a plea to the city and more directly, 408 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: to the Lakeview neighborhood. 409 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 11: The purpose of today's press conference on these railroad tracks, however, 410 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 11: is to make a very clear and a very direct 411 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 11: public appeal to this community, because we cannot do this 412 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 11: work alone. We need you, the members of the public. 413 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 11: We need you to help us. We need you to 414 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 11: speak up, because in order to solve cold cases and 415 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 11: unsolved murders, all of the law enforcement community needs your help. 416 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 11: This city, the five thousand plus unsolved cases, needs your help. 417 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 11: This family needs your help. I need your help. If 418 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 11: you have any information whatsoever about Jessica's last moments, about 419 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 11: Jessica's last day, about Jessica's death, I'm begging you to 420 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 11: come forward. I am pleading with you to provide any information, 421 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 11: no matter how small you might think it is. Today 422 00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 11: I have with me. 423 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: Williams wraps his speech by introducing the Chief of Victim 424 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: Witnesses Services, Alison Legato, from his office. She leads what 425 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: he calls an integral team of sixteen. Since recently taking office, 426 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: he says he's doubled the size of her team because 427 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: there wasn't enough time and attention given to witnesses, victims, 428 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: and survivors, providing them not only with mental health support 429 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: but also safety as he takes cases to trial. In closing, 430 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: Williams makes one final plea to the public, and I. 431 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 11: Want to say to this family. Just like I said 432 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 11: to Jessica's mother, you have our thoughts and prayers and 433 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 11: you know that. But this family needs more than that. 434 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 11: This family needs us to work and work together. This 435 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 11: family needs us to be a team. This family needs 436 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 11: closure and deserves justice. And in the world, the way 437 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 11: that we could achieve that is for private citizens to 438 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 11: get involved in this fight. To not sit down and 439 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 11: take information to bet with you at night, or take 440 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 11: it to your grave, but to speak out and tell 441 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 11: us what you know. Tell us what you saw, no 442 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 11: matter how insignificant you might think it was. If you 443 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 11: think you saw someone who matches Jessica's description on this 444 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 11: faithful night, give us at information on the day before, 445 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 11: get us at information. This is how we solve cold cases. 446 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 11: This is what we need to move this investigation forward. 447 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 11: So at this time, I would please like. 448 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: To welcome Darlene Constanza, the President and CEO of Crime 449 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Stoppers in New Orleans, has led the anonymous tipline efforts 450 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: in Jessica's case. 451 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 12: From day one, we got calls and requests for help 452 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 12: in Jessica's case, and they wouldn't give up. They knew 453 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 12: that there was something that more that could be discovered 454 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 12: there was more to the story and for crime Stoppers, 455 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 12: and we have to take our leave from law enforcement 456 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 12: and where a case would stand. 457 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: So I can just say that we're here. 458 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 12: Crime Stoppers doesn't go away. 459 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: But all we do. 460 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 12: Is step up in front of the victims' families and say, 461 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 12: let us be your voice. Let us be that anonymous 462 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 12: way for people in the community who may be fearful 463 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 12: to get involved. Yes there's a reward, Yes we do that, 464 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 12: it's twenty five hundred. But more importantly, it's time now 465 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 12: to say enough is enough. I'm not gonna let another 466 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 12: family go through this. I would not want my family 467 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 12: to go through it. And I can tell you whatever 468 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 12: information you have, don't think it's too small. 469 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 470 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: As Darlene leaves a podium, I notice a petite woman 471 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: start to wade through the large chunks of gravel towards 472 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: the top of the hill overlooking the Lakeview neighborhood. It's 473 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: just Pscka's mother, Donna. She's about to speak publicly for 474 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: the very first time. Donna's wearing a charcoal gray sleeveless 475 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: romper with a sheer black veil softly draped over her 476 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: silver hair. A small pair of round black sunglasses shade 477 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: her from the sun and conceal her eyes. Already welling 478 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: up with sadness and anger, She cautiously approaches the podium 479 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: with numerous microphones pointed at her in anticipation. The silence 480 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: is palpable. She removes her sunglasses and hangs them gently 481 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: from her scarf. As she begins to speak, her voice quivers. 482 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 13: She is my only biological daughter. I have vivid memories 483 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 13: from the day that she was born, and she was 484 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 13: a very vibrate, talented, loving woman. I do not believe, 485 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 13: and I will never believe, my daughter died at the scene. 486 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 3: My daughter was dumped. 487 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 13: This investigation was handled poorly. All efforts within the department 488 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 13: was shut down. 489 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: She was a cold case. 490 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 13: Her death undetermined. My daughter was dumped two blocks. 491 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: From her resident in a wooded area. 492 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 13: Fractures of the neck and cervical spine and ribs occurred 493 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 13: after she died. I believe justice will be served. 494 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: Justice is always served. 495 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 13: It may not be served in this world, but it 496 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 13: will be served in the next. 497 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 3: And her predator will receive that justice. 498 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 13: But it is not until people come forth and tell 499 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 13: their stories and have the courage to at least say something. 500 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 13: People are so fearful, but you have to put yourself 501 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 13: into situations that families have put in when unsolved murders occur. 502 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 13: When that precious daughter that you held in your arms, 503 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 13: that you nurtured all those years, that you have vivid 504 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 13: members of night in and night out, that. 505 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 14: She's in a war, she is in a mor for 506 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 14: almost two years, two years. Please come forward, Please have 507 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 14: that courage to do what is necessary to solve this case. 508 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 3: Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. 509 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 13: I will remember each and every face here today for 510 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 13: your support. 511 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. 512 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: Donna stepped somberly away from the microphone and back out 513 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: of the spotlight as da Williams approaches the podium once more, 514 00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: making one final appeal following Donna's cry for help, I. 515 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 11: Want to take this podium and be in these shoes. 516 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 11: No father ever wants to be in these shoes. I 517 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 11: am pleading with the members of this community, no matter 518 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 11: how small or slight you believe your information might be, 519 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 11: no matter how scared or nervous you might be, for 520 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 11: coming for you. We have systems in place to protect 521 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 11: your dinner. We have systems in place to help and 522 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 11: protect you. I'm asking that if you know anything about 523 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 11: Jessica's disappearance, her death, or her final days, please get 524 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 11: that information to crime stoppers or get that information to 525 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 11: the DA's office. At eight two to two two. 526 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: After wrapping up, William starts taking questions from reporters, and 527 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: I jump at the chance. I've been eager to ask 528 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: a very specific question ever since he made the announcement 529 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: that he'd be looking into Jessica's case. 530 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 3: The cold case unit. 531 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 15: You spoke a lot of about homicide victims and the 532 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 15: many cases that are here in the city. The coroner 533 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 15: has ruled her cause and manner of death as undetermined. 534 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 15: Is your investigator looking at this case as a homicide? 535 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: How are you investigating her death? 536 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 11: You never put the cart before the horse and say 537 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 11: what you're gonna find, But when you have a suspicious death, 538 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 11: I think you investigated. My office is investigating any death 539 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 11: like this as a homicide, looking for any answers, looking 540 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 11: for any evidence, And today we're begging with the public 541 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 11: to come forward with more information, more witness testimony, and 542 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 11: more evidence. 543 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: This is the first time anyone in any investigative official 544 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: capacity has ever said that Jessica Easterly Derning's case was 545 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: going to be investigated as a homicide. While the coroner 546 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: has deemed Jessica's cause and manner of death as undetermined, 547 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: william says the corner's office doesn't have all the information. 548 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 11: Each case is different, Each case has a unique set 549 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 11: of circumstances, and frankly, you know what, how a coroner 550 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 11: classifies the death is based upon a very limited set 551 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 11: of facts. Corners aren't looking at all of the interviews. 552 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 11: Corners aren't looking at all the police supports. Corners don't 553 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 11: get all the evidence. They are really faced with a 554 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 11: limited set of facts that's before them, and that it 555 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 11: should not and cannot be the end of the termination. 556 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 3: Got any other question? 557 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: I just had one more. 558 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 15: Sure, are you looking at any one particular person of 559 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 15: interest at this time? 560 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 11: I certainly cannot answer that question with you. 561 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: He assures the public that at this point in his 562 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: office's investigation, nothing is off the table. 563 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 11: I haven't taken anything off the books, and I cannot. 564 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 11: I cannot take anything off the books. We have to 565 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 11: investigate any and every lead that comes to us. That 566 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 11: is what an investigation is. If you have predetermined something, 567 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 11: then you are not doing a thorough investigation, so we're 568 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 11: looking at every single leap. All right, thank you guys, 569 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 11: thank you. 570 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: For Following the press conference, we move into Audrey's cousin, 571 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: Stephanie's air conditioned car, to cool off and talk about 572 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: how they felt everything went and where they go from here. 573 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: He said the words today that his office is investigating 574 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: this as a homicide. 575 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 3: That makes me happy. That makes me real. 576 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 15: Happy, considering it's classified as unclassified with n OPD classified 577 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 15: as undetermined with the coroner's office. To have someone in 578 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 15: a high power investigating her case as a homicide. 579 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 16: Correct, Yes, yeah, that makes me happy that he's now 580 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 16: considering it as a homicide. 581 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 15: Do you have some thing that you haven't had in 582 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 15: the last two years? 583 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 3: Hope and faith that this will be resolved, hopefully soon. 584 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: I asked Audrey how she felt listening to her mom 585 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: speak publicly for the first time. 586 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 3: I think it's great that she spoke that. 587 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 16: And I don't know if you know, but my mother 588 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 16: has a medical background, so all those injuries that my 589 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 16: sister suffered, she has seen that before, so she knows. 590 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 3: What she's talking about. 591 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 16: I mean, I'm glad she said it, but I feel 592 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 16: sad because my mother shouldn't have to do that. 593 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: No mother should ever have to do that. 594 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 16: And ask for the public's help in a cold case. 595 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 15: Do you think that the DA's words, crime stoppers words, 596 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 15: your mom's words resonated today with someone. 597 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 3: I hope so I'm praying and that they'll call crime 598 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 3: stoppers and give us that one little piece of the 599 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 3: puzzle that we need. 600 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 15: You said you had faith, and you have hope. 601 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 17: I always have faith in hope, no matter what, I 602 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 17: always have faith in hope. 603 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: Audrey tells me the family had finally laid Jessica to 604 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: rest with a funeral just a few weeks ago. The 605 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: pandemic had sort of put that on hold. She thinks 606 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: the timing of that with today's press conference is what 607 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: finally propelled Jessica's mother to speak out for the first time. 608 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 16: I think maybe after Jessica's funeral on Saturday, I think 609 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 16: she fills like she needs to say something. 610 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 3: Now. 611 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 15: Can you tell me a little bit about it? 612 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 3: Was August twenty first? 613 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 15: Was that when you had the funeral? 614 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 16: Yes, it was August twenty first. It was in Alabama. 615 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 16: It was that Saint Margaret of Scotland Catholic. 616 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 3: Church and it was a beautiful, beautiful church. 617 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 16: It's the surech that my parents go tom but. 618 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: We had a service there for Jessica. 619 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 17: It definitely made me realize that my sister's no longer here, 620 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 17: Like I knew that she wasn't here before, but I 621 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 17: think that that just like I finally realized that my 622 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 17: sister really is gone. And I don't want to say 623 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 17: closure because I hate that word, but. 624 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 4: It made me accept that Jessica really has gone. 625 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: Stephanie explains what the journey and the struggle have been 626 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: like for Audrey a two year battle in counting it's 627 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: been a roller coaster ride of emotions, hope given, hope 628 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: taken away over and over again, which is why this 629 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: new investigation means so much to her. 630 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 18: She needed to believe in the DA and what the 631 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 18: DA was saying and that it wasn't this same song 632 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 18: and dance that NPD had sold. And once she can 633 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 18: believe that they are doing what they're saying they're doing 634 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 18: and put the faith in them, then she will be 635 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 18: able to back off of it a little bit because 636 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 18: she understands they have their role to do and that 637 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 18: she can't know everything they're doing because we've talked about this. 638 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 16: Yeah, it's just hard for me to trust because for 639 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 16: a year and a half I have heard, oh, yeah 640 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 16: we're going to do this, so, yeah, we're going to 641 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 16: do that, and nothing was ever done. 642 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 3: So in that regards, yes, I do have faith because 643 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 3: I do know that some things have been you know, 644 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 3: been done. 645 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 15: Do you think the DA's office is going to be 646 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 15: the ones who solve her case? 647 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 3: Yes? 648 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 13: I do. 649 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 15: What does solving her case? What does justice for Jessica 650 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 15: look like for you? What does that day look like 651 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 15: for you? 652 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 17: The day that the judge says guilty, that would. 653 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 3: Be justice for Jessica, and then. 654 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 17: That person or person's will be in prison. 655 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: That would be justice. That has to happen. It just 656 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 3: has to happen. 657 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: One thing is for certain. If justice is ever going 658 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: to happen, someone must investigate her case. And while there's 659 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: a renewed sense of interest and urgency by the DA, 660 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: it's still hard for the family and at this point 661 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: for us to sit back and trust that everyone is 662 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: doing what needs to be done. So Todd and I 663 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: make a call. We believe we have some important information, 664 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: a recommendation we want to share regarding those text messages 665 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 1: from a concerned neighbor which we covered in our last 666 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: episode and what could be a vital piece of evidence 667 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: in this case, but it has an expiration date and 668 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: right now the clock is ticking. 669 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 19: So there was a neighbor of Justin Derney's by Jay Royce. 670 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 19: He had communicated with a phone over the next door 671 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 19: app and he says during the text thread it was 672 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 19: an accident and he said she slipped and fell in 673 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 19: the bathroom. Just so you know, location information for that 674 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 19: phone service provider are purged in two years, so unless 675 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 19: someone sends in a preservation request to the service provider, 676 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 19: if you don't get them by October of twenty twenty two, 677 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 19: they will be purged. 678 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: Forever Undetermined is a production of Resonate Recordings and Tenderfoot 679 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,439 Speaker 1: TV in conjunction with Cadence thirteen, written and hosted by 680 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: me Jessica Nole and produced by Dennis Cooper and Todd McComas, 681 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: with additional production by Whitney Bozart. 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