1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Hats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,039 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. Joined 4 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, Mike Gravel. 5 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 6 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,358 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight and. 7 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:48,119 Speaker 2: Please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian coy 8 00:00:48,199 --> 00:00:50,598 Speaker 2: Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but 9 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:53,119 Speaker 2: number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrish. 10 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 3: It good to be home, Good to see you guys. 11 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 12 00:01:01,239 --> 00:01:03,039 Speaker 2: Look, my message to the team was, look, this is 13 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:05,239 Speaker 2: the NFL. It just wasn't good enough. You know, first quarter, 14 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: zero points across the board and then give up twenty 15 00:01:08,039 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: four points in the second quarter. Definitely is a hard 16 00:01:10,759 --> 00:01:13,719 Speaker 2: peal to swallow. And then look, we saw some fight 17 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:16,079 Speaker 2: at the end, which is encouraging. But at the same time, 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: this game you got every single play, every single play counts. 19 00:01:19,679 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 2: I thought we gave it too many big plays. Defensively, 20 00:01:22,639 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: did a better job in the run game. They have 21 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: too many big plays, tackling scheme, whatever you want to 22 00:01:29,759 --> 00:01:33,238 Speaker 2: call it. Just overall execution defensively just wasn't good enough. 23 00:01:33,679 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: On offense, they did some good things, but anytime you 24 00:01:37,078 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: lose a turnover battle, it's always going to be a 25 00:01:39,438 --> 00:01:42,159 Speaker 2: tough game. And then special teams, we just got to 26 00:01:42,199 --> 00:01:43,359 Speaker 2: continue to improve on that. 27 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 3: Sorry. 28 00:01:47,999 --> 00:01:50,199 Speaker 2: Last thing for me, like the last thing, I told 29 00:01:50,199 --> 00:01:53,479 Speaker 2: the guys, it's all about us. And this is before 30 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:55,119 Speaker 2: the game. I said, it's about us. It's not about 31 00:01:55,119 --> 00:01:57,839 Speaker 2: anybody else. It's about us and to make a commitment 32 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,239 Speaker 2: to one another. And that's what the game really came 33 00:02:00,279 --> 00:02:03,239 Speaker 2: down to. It's us going out there, you know, kicking 34 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:05,439 Speaker 2: ourselves in the butt or snapping our toe against the 35 00:02:05,479 --> 00:02:07,039 Speaker 2: wall because the penalties. 36 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:08,279 Speaker 3: We don't have a team. 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,559 Speaker 2: I don't think any team wants to go backwards at 38 00:02:10,559 --> 00:02:13,319 Speaker 2: any case in any cause, but we did that today. 39 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:16,159 Speaker 3: Did you get a sense this we practiced that something's 40 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 3: freaking like not have a good team? No? 41 00:02:18,559 --> 00:02:20,319 Speaker 2: I didn't, not at all, not at all. I thought 42 00:02:20,358 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 2: the guys were locked in, just didn't walk away with 43 00:02:22,519 --> 00:02:22,719 Speaker 2: the win. 44 00:02:23,079 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 3: So when you play them on the coverage breakdowns, we're 45 00:02:25,358 --> 00:02:26,319 Speaker 3: not used to seeing. 46 00:02:26,038 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: That from this team. 47 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 3: Historically, So what's the cause. 48 00:02:30,679 --> 00:02:34,159 Speaker 2: Of these historically or even this season? Just a a 49 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: lack of communication, a lot of communication. 50 00:02:37,239 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 3: The six pre snout penalty is in the first half. Yeah, 51 00:02:41,279 --> 00:02:44,719 Speaker 3: five on offense, one on defense. I mean, how much 52 00:02:44,758 --> 00:02:48,198 Speaker 3: how much of that is a reflection just something that coaching. Yeah, look, 53 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:48,879 Speaker 3: it starts with me. 54 00:02:48,999 --> 00:02:51,798 Speaker 2: It starts with me, And we've had these these hiccups 55 00:02:51,799 --> 00:02:53,999 Speaker 2: of you know, games where the penalties really affected us, 56 00:02:53,999 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 2: and it did that today. Do you think that first drive, 57 00:02:56,599 --> 00:02:58,479 Speaker 2: the first sustained drive in the first quarter that the 58 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:01,798 Speaker 2: two penalties brought it back and then you. 59 00:03:00,839 --> 00:03:02,599 Speaker 1: You kind of went conservative in the middle and then 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,039 Speaker 1: went for the field goal. Did did you feel like 61 00:03:05,079 --> 00:03:06,038 Speaker 1: things stalled out there? 62 00:03:06,119 --> 00:03:08,518 Speaker 3: How much did you in the first quarter? Yeah? 63 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:10,159 Speaker 2: To me, in the first quarter, you're still trying to 64 00:03:10,279 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: just get a vibe for the game, how they're gonna 65 00:03:11,799 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 2: play us, and how we're gonna play them, and how 66 00:03:13,679 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 2: they're gonna match our stuff. 67 00:03:14,679 --> 00:03:16,758 Speaker 1: So did you concern to you that this was a 68 00:03:16,799 --> 00:03:19,039 Speaker 1: big spot for you guys throwing off a loss division 69 00:03:19,038 --> 00:03:20,039 Speaker 1: games and you guys kind. 70 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:20,599 Speaker 3: Of came up flat. 71 00:03:20,758 --> 00:03:23,358 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we came out flat. And look, it's it's 72 00:03:23,359 --> 00:03:25,319 Speaker 2: a long season. It is a long season, and the 73 00:03:25,359 --> 00:03:27,199 Speaker 2: guys they recognize that. You know, when you get the 74 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:29,279 Speaker 2: schedule early on, you got to see like where the 75 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: bye week is and saying that, look, no excuses for 76 00:03:32,359 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: me and hopefully no excuses from the players. 77 00:03:34,079 --> 00:03:35,559 Speaker 3: We have to be better defensively. 78 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:36,359 Speaker 1: Where do you go from here? 79 00:03:37,679 --> 00:03:39,599 Speaker 3: Uh? You know, for me, nowhere but up? 80 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:41,359 Speaker 2: And you know a lot of that stuff going again 81 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:43,759 Speaker 2: and going back to the big plays like it starts there, 82 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,799 Speaker 2: like the defensive line in the run game. 83 00:03:45,839 --> 00:03:47,359 Speaker 3: I don't think that was a problem in this game. 84 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:48,439 Speaker 3: It was just a big place. 85 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,199 Speaker 2: How do you coach a guy and you bring there 86 00:03:51,239 --> 00:03:53,199 Speaker 2: down that before and play as a player. 87 00:03:53,519 --> 00:03:56,079 Speaker 3: How do you coach guy keeps making the same mistakes 88 00:03:56,359 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 3: over over again. How do you get to that guy? 89 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:03,719 Speaker 3: They're there? I mean, that's why we're coaches, you know. 90 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 2: We gotta find a solution, whether that's you gotta figure 91 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:07,799 Speaker 2: out what lever to the pool to get a guy going. 92 00:04:07,999 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 2: And sometimes look, it could look good during the week 93 00:04:09,839 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 2: and then you get into the game and it's it's 94 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:14,519 Speaker 2: a surprise, just. 95 00:04:14,519 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: Like they did in the first matchup, was that you 96 00:04:17,599 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: believe them trying to stress your communication when you said 97 00:04:19,799 --> 00:04:21,199 Speaker 1: led to the breakdowns. 98 00:04:21,558 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say so much. You know, tempo is always difficult. 99 00:04:25,318 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: Those guys come out with one word plays and we 100 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,439 Speaker 2: just have to I feel like we were on the 101 00:04:28,438 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: same page out in the field, if that's what you're 102 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,759 Speaker 2: talking about. See people tackles were struck in on it today, 103 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 2: but specifically you decided to pull. 104 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: The matri Jac ups on the floor and put in 105 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: the city. So I just want want into that decision. 106 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,319 Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, he was having a tough game, huh. Whether 107 00:04:40,318 --> 00:04:42,079 Speaker 2: it's penalties or or block in the edge, he was 108 00:04:42,119 --> 00:04:44,759 Speaker 2: having a tough game. And gotta protect the quarterback as 109 00:04:44,799 --> 00:04:45,439 Speaker 2: an offensive linement. 110 00:04:45,479 --> 00:04:45,959 Speaker 3: That's what we do. 111 00:04:45,999 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: We protect quarterbacks and we gotta open up holes for 112 00:04:48,318 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: the backs. The real reason you chose to take that 113 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,959 Speaker 2: to Matria and Husbanofaderian, Like, was there a. 114 00:04:52,958 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 3: Reason for one over the other? Yeah? Not all? How 115 00:04:56,039 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: much of at all? Did the health of Christian thoughts 116 00:04:58,198 --> 00:05:02,519 Speaker 3: going cheat? Yeah? How things happened then? I mean we 117 00:05:02,558 --> 00:05:03,438 Speaker 3: saw the injury report. 118 00:05:03,479 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: He was dealing with something he worked out before the game, 119 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: and we thought he was ready to. 120 00:05:06,919 --> 00:05:09,319 Speaker 3: Go draw out on Monday. You said we have enough 121 00:05:09,359 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: talent in that room. You played football games. How do 122 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 3: you rectify that with falling up behind thirty and nothing? 123 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:16,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it it starts with me. I think it starts 124 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: with me. And you know, getting these guys ready to go. 125 00:05:20,239 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: There's some uh assignment breakdowns that SEA might have the 126 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:25,199 Speaker 2: red zone absolutely well, they just like what did you 127 00:05:25,198 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: see on those plays? 128 00:05:26,958 --> 00:05:28,959 Speaker 3: Right the age or I I mean it was a secret. 129 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:31,038 Speaker 2: They used motion and shift and things like that to 130 00:05:31,198 --> 00:05:33,959 Speaker 2: confuse the community, to stress the communication, and we just 131 00:05:33,958 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 2: weren't on the same page early quest Drive four one 132 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:38,959 Speaker 2: thirty nine and he thought of going for. 133 00:05:39,239 --> 00:05:41,319 Speaker 3: A birthday I thought was there. It was the best 134 00:05:41,318 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 3: friend saying it starts with you. But when do the 135 00:05:43,678 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: players have to start the dinner? So, I mean you 136 00:05:45,799 --> 00:05:48,399 Speaker 3: go and do so much? What is it on the players? 137 00:05:48,719 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's it's always Look. Once of those 138 00:05:50,558 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: guys cross the white lines, there's nothing I can do 139 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 2: for him. There's nothing any coach can do for him. 140 00:05:54,239 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: Once they cross the white line. It's my job to 141 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: continue to prepare not only them, but our coaches to 142 00:05:58,599 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: go out here and play better football. 143 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: Thanks Patriots Playbook, Join John Rook as he brings you 144 00:06:04,958 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: all the latest Patriots talk an expert commentary direct from 145 00:06:07,719 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: Patriots HQ. The show features interviews with New England and 146 00:06:10,958 --> 00:06:13,439 Speaker 1: Opponent Beat writers that bring you a unique media view 147 00:06:13,438 --> 00:06:15,199 Speaker 1: of the state of the team. 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