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Speaker 1: he recently wrote a column talking about how affirmative action

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Speaker 1: and more with my friend Bobby, stay with us. Well, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: it's your first time coming on this show, but we're friends.

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Speaker 4: We've connected on radio several times on Outkicks, so good

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Speaker 4: to reconnect on the podcast. Congratulations to all your successes.

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Speaker 4: I know the show is killing it and happy to

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Speaker 4: color of their skin. Well, other the nineteen sixties and

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Speaker 1: Which is ironic because he's actually made some of the

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Speaker 4: think health should be a political topic. I don't really

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Speaker 4: know that it is. I know in the media it's

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Speaker 4: become that, but I don't think if I go to

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Speaker 4: the gym and I see somebody really fit, I don't

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Speaker 4: just assume they're far right. And if I see somebody fat,

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Speaker 4: I don't just assume they're liberal. I've never really associated

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Speaker 4: politics with fitness and health. But this trend has been

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Speaker 4: going on for a while. If you remember that movie

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Speaker 4: came out last November called The Whale, and the Rolling

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Speaker 4: Stone website complained that the director casted a man in

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Speaker 4: a fat suit and not an actual fat man. They

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Speaker 4: called it fatphobic and discriminating against fat people in Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the most bizarre articles I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they say Lizzo is healthy. Remember a Dall

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Speaker 4: lost all that weight and they attacked her. They don't

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Speaker 4: like Dell now because she lost all that weight, but

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Speaker 4: they hold Lizzo up as a hero because she is fat.

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Speaker 4: It's just, you know, it's also hypocritical because MSNBC, not

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Speaker 4: only are they now sticking up for fat people multiple

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Speaker 4: times and I checked over the past year, they've defended

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden by saying he's more physically fit in Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: and they'll call Donald Trump overweight. So are they pro

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Speaker 4: fat are they not? It seems to be they pick

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Speaker 4: and choose whenever it benefits them. But none of it

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Speaker 4: is really rooted in reality, because being fat is not healthy.

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Speaker 4: It's actually the best way to ensure you have a

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Speaker 4: short life.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also the best way for you know, big

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Speaker 1: pharma and you know what have you to make money.

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Speaker 1: I mean, during COVID when they're trying to get everyone

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Speaker 1: to get the vaccine, and they weren't telling us that

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Speaker 1: one of the leading comorbidity is and one of the

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Speaker 1: lead driving factors to the hospital was obesity. Meanwhile, they're

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Speaker 1: giving out, you know, cheeseburgers and what have you to

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Speaker 1: get people to get the vaccine. And what really would

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Speaker 1: have helped tremendously is just to tell people to be healthy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, really, just tell people to be healthy would

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Speaker 1: cut a lot of costs in your life for a

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Speaker 1: variety of purpose, particularly in the long term. But you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously they don't want people to be healthy. I guess

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Speaker 1: they want everyone to be fat, depressed and dependent on

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Speaker 1: the government. The media landscape has changed pretty significantly. How

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Speaker 1: do you think digital has changed Cable news and the

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Speaker 1: media landscape.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen years ago or twenty five years ago, thirty five

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Speaker 4: years ago, people saw big jobs because it was guaranteed success.

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Speaker 4: Meaning people watched ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Fox, et

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Speaker 4: cetera all day long. They had it on the background,

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Speaker 4: and at like six o'clock they see an uptick. So

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Speaker 4: whoever you put in that time slot was guaranteed some

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Speaker 4: level of success. Just like on radio, local markets said well,

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Speaker 4: I want to follow rush Limbob because he has so

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Speaker 4: many listeners. If I follow him, I'm going to inherit

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Speaker 4: some of them. Now, we're in a place where media

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Speaker 4: is on demand alacarte, where people go out of their

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Speaker 4: way to find one individual. People type in Joe Rogan

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Speaker 4: on Spotify, they type in Ben Shapiro on Apple podcasts.

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Speaker 4: They're not just coming on in the background, So the

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Speaker 4: numbers are smaller. Some of those reports aren't accurate that

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Speaker 4: Rogan reaches more people than TV viewers or TV hosts.

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Speaker 4: It is actually not accurate. I mean, we can get

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Speaker 4: into why, but what it is is his audience is

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Speaker 4: more engaged. So Jake Tapper probably reaches more people than

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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan by virtue of how many households have CNN

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Speaker 4: in the way they measure it. But Rogan's listeners are

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Speaker 4: engaged and they're actually listening to what he's saying, where

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Speaker 4: a lot of Tapper's viewers might just walk by at

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Speaker 4: the airport where there's muted, they might be making dinner

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Speaker 4: and have it on the background. They're not actually listening

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Speaker 4: and consuming to what he says. So you bring a

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Speaker 4: full circle. Media is more fragmented than ever. That's why

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Speaker 4: numbers are down so substantially. Johnny Carson used to average

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Speaker 4: fifteen seventeen million viewers. Jimmy Fallon averages eight hundred thousand. Well, because,

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Speaker 4: first of all, Jimmy Foul is not very good, but

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Speaker 4: just different market. There's so many more options. So what

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Speaker 4: healthy happens is is that it cuts out the middle class.

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Speaker 4: The stars are making more money than ever Rachel Maddow,

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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, Howard Stern, Megan Kelly. They're making more money

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Speaker 4: than ever before, but the middle class is struggling because

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Speaker 4: they're now more replaceable than ever.

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Speaker 1: Quick commercial break, Stay with us. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan does so well?

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Speaker 4: He relates to the people who listen. I grew up

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Speaker 4: in a real small town in Michigan. The people on

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Speaker 4: the TV don't associate that. We can't really relate to

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Speaker 4: a lot of people on TV. Didn't go to Ivy

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Speaker 4: League schools, didn't have rich parents, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan is somebody people want to go have a

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Speaker 4: beer with. Right, He didn't go to college or he

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Speaker 4: dropped out. He doesn't use words that people don't understand.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't try to convince people he's smarter than them.

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Speaker 4: People would like to go have a beer with Joe

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Speaker 4: Rogan because his show is built around two people in

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Speaker 4: a room having a drink, smoking weeds, smoking a cigar. Well,

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Speaker 4: you don't get that from most people in the media.

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Speaker 4: They're all done up there. They're privileged, they're spoiled, they

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Speaker 4: talk down to you. Joe Rogan relates to the people

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Speaker 4: he listens to. Rachel Mattow doesn't do that. Rachel Mattow

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Speaker 4: is popular among liberal viewers, but she's not like them.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she went to Stanford, she brags about her

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Speaker 4: IQ score. She is disassociated from reality. Where Rogan brings

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Speaker 4: the conversations people have amongst themselves to the air.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense. What do you think media is going to

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Speaker 2: look like in ten.

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Speaker 4: Years, Yeah, more and more fragmented, fewer and fewer successful people,

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Speaker 4: but more successful in that upper class like the Rogans,

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Speaker 4: Alex Coopers, Megan Kelly's, Dan Bongino's. They're going to make

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Speaker 4: more and more money. But I think the biggest direction

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Speaker 4: media is heading in is that is that where social

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Speaker 4: media has made where people don't want to consume long content.

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Speaker 4: So the people So let's think Ben Shapiro, for example.

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Speaker 4: He makes a lot of money in a lot of

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Speaker 4: different ways, but part of it is that his podcast

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Speaker 4: is cut up into short clips on Facebook, so people

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Speaker 4: are consuming it in two three five minute increments, not

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Speaker 4: the full hour. You didn't really have that option in

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Speaker 4: the past. So social media reach is going to be

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Speaker 4: a big part of it. But there's also a question

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Speaker 4: I have of what is the future of social media.

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk rolled out this new monetization program. Maybe Twitter

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Speaker 4: separates because Twitter has struggled to actually make money. If

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Speaker 4: Twitter can become that beaking of free speech, maybe that's

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Speaker 4: where conservative media lives. But if not, it's going to

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Speaker 4: be harder for conservatives to continue to have that influence

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Speaker 4: if YouTube, Facebook, Instagram threads make it harder for them

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Speaker 4: to do that because growing up, most people had Rush Limbaum,

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Speaker 4: Mark Levin, Sean Hannity on AM radio. Well, they didn't

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Speaker 4: censor AM radio. They can censor people online. So it's

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Speaker 4: a lot harder to have that fight for the truth

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Speaker 4: unless there is that platform that allows everybody to tell

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Speaker 4: their version of the truth via Twitter or rumble. I

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Speaker 4: really hope one of those can stabilize and become that

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Speaker 4: central place for alternative viewpoints.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then of course we have mainstream media. We

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Speaker 1: even saw with the cocaine at the White House, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out trying to know who's blow it was, right,

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Speaker 1: and you've got Politico already running interference, saying, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're probably not going to figure it out when they

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Speaker 1: can find someone who spent two seconds in the Capitol

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Speaker 1: on January six, but you can't find who brought blow

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Speaker 1: to the White House like spare Main.

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Speaker 4: And with that reminded me of a couple months ago.

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Speaker 4: Remember they said that they weren't going to further investigate

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Speaker 4: who leaked the Supreme Court draft in May of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two. So they look into what they want to

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Speaker 4: look into, but when they don't want to reveal who

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Speaker 4: the culprit was, they just brush it all under the

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Speaker 4: rug and don't ever want to talk about it again.

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Speaker 4: Don't you dare ask about it or you're causing trouble.

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Speaker 4: So I thought that right away. But we do we

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, we don't have any evidence, but I

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Speaker 4: think we all know where that blow came from, don't we?

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Speaker 2: Lisa, did you see the Babylon b it says?

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Speaker 1: DC police say they may never figure out who left

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Speaker 1: the bag of cocaine labeled property of h Biden.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely right. I love the work they're doing. I'm so

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Speaker 4: glad they're back on Twitter. I know they were off

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Speaker 4: for a while because they misgendered apparently, I guess I

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Speaker 4: think they were kicked off for that or suspended. But

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Speaker 4: they do a great Yeah, they're on the few media

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Speaker 4: outlets that I actually enjoy consuming at this point. And

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Speaker 4: the Sad Tire because well, sat tire is better than

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Speaker 4: the real reality now because they're so similar.

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Speaker 1: Well, and satire ends up turning into reality. So that's

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Speaker 1: where we were today. It's a crazy world, but I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you always covering these different angles. Everyone should go

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Speaker 1: check out your column. Where can they find you?

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Speaker 2: On Twitter? Where can they find your work?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm actually only on one social media platform at

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Speaker 4: least for now, I'm on Twitter. They can find it there.

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Speaker 4: OutKick dot com. I've been there for three and a

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Speaker 4: half years now. I'm actually the longest tendered employee believe

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Speaker 4: or not, other than Clay, So they can find it

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Speaker 4: either place.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I hope they do.

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Speaker 4: I hope they like it. If they don't, they can

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Speaker 4: let me know over But I really appreciate the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to speak to you and proud of you by the way.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've gotten to know you, and I think

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Speaker 4: you've changed a lot in the short time we've got

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Speaker 4: to know each other, and all for the better. I

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Speaker 4: know how much the truth matters to you, and how

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Speaker 4: really you're one only people that I know who is

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Speaker 4: willing to put themselves in jeopardy to do it. Like

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Speaker 4: when you put out that column about why you were unvaccinated.

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Speaker 4: No one else had done that, and you probably did

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Speaker 4: jeopardize some opportunity, some friendships, some relationships, and I know

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Speaker 4: you didn't care because you wanted to tell the truth.

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Speaker 4: So I admire you for that.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, my friend. That means a whole lot

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Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, not a fun period of life. It

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Speaker 1: nicks me from the consideration for the view and had

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Speaker 1: some you know, close friends turn their backs on me.

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Speaker 1: So you know, but you get it too. We all

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Speaker 1: get it if you know, you try to tell the

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Speaker 1: truth in this environment, so we your friend. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining the show. This is a great conversation. We'll

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Speaker 1: have you back on soon.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right.

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Speaker 1: That was my buddy Bobby Burack. Rights for Outkeck. I

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Speaker 1: always enjoy talking. Now'm but gotten to know him. He's

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Speaker 1: just really good guy, really smart guy, always writing interesting stuff,

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Speaker 1: so you should definitely go check out his work for Outkeck.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys at home for listening

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Speaker 1: every morning and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting

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Speaker 1: the show together as old ways. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Until next time,