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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast Don't Mess with No Horses, bro.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Janzas, and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Seiler, Chris Westling, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosen Ald up bos Hey. Dan, was that a

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Speaker 1: call back to the great great horse fearing Eric Berry?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I believe so. When it goes back

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Speaker 1: to the old old podcasts, the a t L Debate Club,

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Speaker 1: one of our fav brought my wife on. If you

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Speaker 1: remember who used to ride horses to talk about the

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Speaker 1: fear of That's what our podcast used to be about.

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Speaker 1: Now it's now it's a crazy football fest. And you

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Speaker 1: got west and here you got a scientist. Here you

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Speaker 1: have Greg Rosenthal, one of the great fantasy minds of

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Speaker 1: one century. Here he comes over. Uh, you know we

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Speaker 1: have everything cooking now, all fantasy talk. Oh well, Greg

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Speaker 1: went to p f T and then we poached him.

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Speaker 1: NFL media cocomorate in a way we go. Mark and

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Speaker 1: Dan were a bit a big part of that, recruiting

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Speaker 1: me coming over to my house, offering me, like applying

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Speaker 1: you with things that may not have been legal, but

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Speaker 1: we got it. Done. We got Greg in the building.

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Speaker 1: It is week eight. It is the week eight Sunday show.

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Speaker 1: An exciting show, a great one, uh, t D and

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Speaker 1: West you you seem like you have to get something

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Speaker 1: off your chest with t D. Right, t D. He

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Speaker 1: set down the rules with a very heavy hand. I

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Speaker 1: thought that we are not allowed to wear hats now

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Speaker 1: that we're on camera. Now that we're on camera, Look

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Speaker 1: who's wearing a hat tonight? Old, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I am god. I think it's more of a hypocrisy complex.

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Speaker 1: I know that t D is not feeling well. It

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Speaker 1: is that accurate, that is correct, And now I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to just trying to push through. Guys, all right,

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Speaker 1: so let's try. We're gonna try to take it easy

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Speaker 1: on you. We're not gonna mess up once. We're just

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Speaker 1: gonna roll through the show. We go. We got a

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Speaker 1: great week of games, and we're also going to get

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Speaker 1: our friend, our newest around the NFL member, Connor Or

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Speaker 1: on the line. He was at the medal ends today

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Speaker 1: for that blood bath for the Jets, which we'll get

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Speaker 1: into a little later in the show. But let's start,

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Speaker 1: as we always do with uh some games that really

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Speaker 1: jumped out of us the games of the day. So

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Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's get right into it, CD, Let's roll.

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback, became the first player

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Speaker 1: in NFL history to throw for at least five hundred

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Speaker 1: yards and multiple games. This time he did it against

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Speaker 1: the Colts, just leveling Indianapolis win on Sunday in Pittsburgh. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, I ask you, as a man that is

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Speaker 1: a historian of the game, who loves football, who ingestsed

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Speaker 1: like a maniac, where is this on your list of

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback performances you've ever seen? It's right up there.

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Speaker 1: It might be the best. If he had one more

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Speaker 1: pass attempt, he would have had the highest completions percentage

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Speaker 1: halfway through the third quarter, maybe getting close to forth,

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Speaker 1: you said this was the best quarterbacks game overall in

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Speaker 1: terms of a quarterback matchup that you've ever seen. I

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Speaker 1: think they ought to do way with the rest of

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Speaker 1: the schedule and just to have the Steelers and Colts

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Speaker 1: played each other every week. It was It reminded me

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that Broncos Cowboys shoot up from

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Speaker 1: last year. But Luck and Big Ben, we're making better

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Speaker 1: throws like more. I catching amazing throws in this game.

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Speaker 1: But your best quarterback performance was in reference to uh

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Speaker 1: Brown's Raiders. I didn't see that game, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: the funny thing about this game. Andrew Luck went forty five,

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Speaker 1: four hundred yards and three touchdowns, but wasn't even close

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Speaker 1: to the best quarterback of the day. He threw two interceptions.

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Speaker 1: He was mortal. Here's Roethlisberger's line, because we cannot understate

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Speaker 1: how incredible this game was. Big Ben went forty forty

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Speaker 1: The only reason he didn't set it is because they

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Speaker 1: Mark Tavis marta you and Martevis. I've I've spoken with him.

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Speaker 1: He actually told me the way I said is proper um.

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Speaker 1: Levan Bell. Chris Wesseling was giddy watching this game because

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Speaker 1: he loves the Stealers so much. There's boys of them

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Speaker 1: into the stable of y exciting team to watch. He

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Speaker 1: comes from an organic place. I thought today's newsroom was

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Speaker 1: been a it was a fun day. That The thing

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Speaker 1: watch this game. A little closer is the Colts defense

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Speaker 1: Do you think was a factor. Vonte Davis got hurt

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing with Pittsburgh, we've seen hints

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Speaker 1: I'm not that shocked that this happened to that team today.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny to look back when we thought this

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Speaker 1: Ben just was absolutely on fire. Every pass he through

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Speaker 1: takes more than the first five weeks of the season

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Speaker 1: for these guys to flesh out. Yeah, the Big Ben

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Speaker 1: that hard. Greg, I want to thank you for convincing

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Speaker 1: me to take the Steelers as a hero. It's gross,

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Speaker 1: but I do like that it's opened up the avenue

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Speaker 1: the week if you're feelings. John, So, congrats, you know, thanks,

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Speaker 1: and you're talking about another one. First, it's your years,

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Speaker 1: your year, sleeper, Zeus the sleeper. Let's uh, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: But I just don't blow it. I mean, now it's

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Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals came came up big in the final

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Speaker 1: two minutes on Sunday. They got a seventy five yard

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Speaker 1: two five and one teams. Very good game marred by

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Speaker 1: there's twenty penalties for almost two hundred yards. But the

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Speaker 1: game itself was a very entertaining game to watch, and

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Speaker 1: it came down to the last possession after the long

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Speaker 1: Brown touchdown. Uh, Chip Kelly's offense marched down the field.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this, the genius Chip Kelly for

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Speaker 1: all for all. We give him all the credit, and

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Speaker 1: sure he deserves it because he's so smart. Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: the ball down the field, but Todd he said, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep coming at you. They bought the blitz

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Speaker 1: Bowls saying exactly what he thinks about nick Foles, that

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Speaker 1: you can't handle the pressure because a big time veteran

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it all Your Nick Foles is almost

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Speaker 1: impossible to figure out. You you look at the stat

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Speaker 1: He set the Eagles record today with thirty six completions

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Speaker 1: that are terrible throws. He did not have a great game.

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Speaker 1: And you know what Greg's saying there checks out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if if a quarterback was making plays, that game was

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Speaker 1: not able to take advantage of the over aggression. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. Every week, Fulls seems to be a lightning rod.

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Speaker 1: He's he's either he's producing, but we're not happy with

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Speaker 1: his mechanics. Whatever it is. Do you if you watch him,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like it's something that's fixable. He's a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback still is it's something that three years from

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Speaker 1: now this is these these issues are cleaned up. Or

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Speaker 1: is this who he is and he's ceiling doubt? His

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Speaker 1: footwork has been bad. If you mentioned mechanics, his footwork

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Speaker 1: don't know that he's that good. I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: it's even last year. You knew that a lot of

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Speaker 1: what he was doing was Chip Kelly scheme. He is

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Speaker 1: giving the Eagles coaching staff in front office the toughest

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Speaker 1: dilemma that you have with quarterbacks. It's like, what the

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. He's basically right around the Dalton line. What

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Speaker 1: do we call it again? The scale? He's right in

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Speaker 1: the middle where he's just good enough too that you

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Speaker 1: don't feel like you're gonna move on. But I think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have a really hard decision at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year because I think they'll win a lot

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Speaker 1: of games who they maybe they win some playoff games too,

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Speaker 1: And yet I don't think he's playing well at all. Dan,

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Speaker 1: There's so much talent on this offense. If Carson Palmer

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Speaker 1: But all those things are why they're not vastly superior. Also,

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Speaker 1: Even if the Eagles were vastly superior. We don't trust

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady had as many touchdowns that's five as in

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Speaker 1: it in a convincing manner. Greg, everything is great and Foxbar,

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Speaker 1: Six and two? Halfway to what mark? Twelve and fours. Well,

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Speaker 1: That bad. But the reason why the offense has turned

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Speaker 1: Brandon Browner made a big difference today and Durrell Revas

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Speaker 1: Browner has been great. I don't know, Dan, it's a neither.

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Speaker 1: In the second, it's another magical campaign, another beautiful autumn

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, So Mark, this was a game of

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Speaker 1: but also Greg and I went crazy watching Jim Caldwell's

428
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Speaker 1: hyper conservative approach where he was trying to set up

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Speaker 1: a fifty yard field goal with forty seconds left for

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Speaker 1: Matt Prador. They were two of twelve this year on

431
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Speaker 1: field goes over thirty yards I think it was, and

432
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Speaker 1: yet he was trying to set up a fifty yard

433
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: or and then the Falcons took time out. It was

434
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Speaker 1: a totally bizarre sequence, and there was a defensive holding

435
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Speaker 1: call on a run which I don't I can't remember

436
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: ever seeing that much less in that situation. That's the

437
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Speaker 1: only thing that even set up the field goal. It

438
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: was a battle of who could coach worse between Caldwell

439
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 1: and Smith. It was a delicious game, though it was

440
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Speaker 1: one of the more entertaining finishes of the entire season.

441
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Speaker 1: I didn't see this game, So question for you guys

442
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Speaker 1: who saw it, is Golden Tate the greatest wide receiver

443
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: in NFL history? Well, yes, it's funny because he's almost

444
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: He's almost in the Megatron mold right now. Megatron and

445
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: no Bush in They're like he has had to do

446
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: it all himself. There's nothing else. You know, they had

447
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: three tight ends out as well. There's nothing else for

448
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: Stafford to throw to right now. But he got to

449
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: discussion he's one of the most think he isn't and

450
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Speaker 1: he's conversation that he's one of the most valuable savers.

451
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Speaker 1: It's amazing how he makes plays every week to make

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Speaker 1: them win the game. Stafford was brutal today. He was bad.

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Speaker 1: He has been his worst season I think of his career.

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Speaker 1: This year, I would say it has been the best

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Speaker 1: free agent signing by any team where West and your

456
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Speaker 1: stable of boys, it does Golden Tate have the Honeymoon

457
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Speaker 1: suite at this point. And Steve Smith is, oh, I

458
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Speaker 1: knew that that line of questioning. He's very much into

459
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Speaker 1: individuals and that's this is one of his everyone one

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Speaker 1: of those guys, and that I think that was a

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Speaker 1: shot at me. What into individuals you are? You have

462
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Speaker 1: that you have? Well, you are you don't team. You

463
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Speaker 1: have a stable of players that get you jazzed up.

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Speaker 1: That's accurate. I have teams every year they just switch. Well,

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Speaker 1: you then you have teams every year as well. One

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Speaker 1: day West will come back to the Bengals. No, that

467
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Speaker 1: will not happen. It's gonna happen, and it will be

468
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Speaker 1: a special day before we move on to this game.

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Speaker 1: In case any shadowy League figures aren't listening, let's sign

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Speaker 1: up for some more wake ups at Whimbley or whatever

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Speaker 1: the heck you're calling it. Just get another fourth game

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Speaker 1: on the program. You liked that, people loved it. Just

473
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Speaker 1: another another game to watch it before we leave this game.

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Speaker 1: A Twitter follower asked me, will Mike Smith be canned

475
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Speaker 1: within the next week or two? Now? I think they

476
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Speaker 1: have too much He's probably the best coach in franchise history,

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Speaker 1: so I think they have too much respect for him

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Speaker 1: to do something like that, and they'll do it at

479
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Speaker 1: the end of the year. That's what I thought too.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson connected with Luke Wilson on a twenty three

481
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Speaker 1: yard touchdown past late in the fourth quarter, leading the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks to a thirteen to nine win over the

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panther Is West. This wasn't the clean, everything is

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Speaker 1: okay now game for the Seahawks, I imagine, but they

485
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Speaker 1: got it done. I'm not sure if they deserve to win.

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Speaker 1: It was extremely sloppy, dropped past his misthrows by Russell

487
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Speaker 1: Wilson cost him a couple of touchdowns. Um defensively, they

488
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: dropped a couple of interceptions, flubbed some fumble recoveries. Cam

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Speaker 1: Chancellor is in himself. They they held the Panthers to

490
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Speaker 1: nine points, but they should Kevin Benjamin should have had

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Speaker 1: two touchdowns. He dropped one in russ In Cam Newton

492
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: overthrew him by a yard on another one. It was

493
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Speaker 1: sloppy game all around. Big win though for the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: I mean they would have gone to three and four,

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Speaker 1: three games back of the Cardinals. Look, they had a

496
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Speaker 1: lot of wins like this last year. They pretty much

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Speaker 1: had an identical game in Carolina last year. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think the final score last year in Carolina was

499
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Speaker 1: twelve to seven. This year it's thirteen to nine. Similar

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Speaker 1: sort of thing where they end up getting the scores

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter to get it done. West. Let's

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Speaker 1: going know with Marshawn Lynch, he's not getting the ball

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Speaker 1: as much. I know. Before the game's NFL media columnist

504
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Speaker 1: Michael Silver reported that Lynch Harper is quote ill feelings

505
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Speaker 1: toward coach Pete Carol for his training camp hold out

506
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Speaker 1: that offseason proclamations about reduced workload are they just not

507
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Speaker 1: feeding him the balls? Is that the case again today? Yeah,

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00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: he's actually he has a higher yards per carry average

509
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Speaker 1: than last year, but his carries per game is down

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Speaker 1: by almost five. They're just not getting him. He's not

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Speaker 1: getting into a groove. They're not handing the ball like

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Speaker 1: every series and moving the chains. They're not allowing him

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Speaker 1: to do that. Well, sorry, it's fundy because Albert Brier

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Speaker 1: and It talked to some people inside the organization last

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Speaker 1: week in his notebook, where you know, there were a

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Speaker 1: number of players watching Darryl Bevel closely wanting to go

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Speaker 1: back to that run heavy offense, but they didn't. So

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Speaker 1: they're not doing that still now, they're still passing more

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Speaker 1: than their running right by a lot. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the ceiling for this offense is, and what's the

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Speaker 1: ceiling as good as they were last year, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if that's possible. I think they miss Harvin.

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Speaker 1: I really do. The the receivers don't separate. They they

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Speaker 1: don't make plays on contested passes either. I think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna miss Harvin. I mean they came in scoring more

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Speaker 1: points and turning out more yardage per game than last season.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I guess my point is more that they

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Speaker 1: need their defense to be that best in the league defense.

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Speaker 1: That's there, that's right now, that's the road map for

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Speaker 1: them winning the Super Bowl. It's not going to be

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Speaker 1: because of their offense. An offensive past interference call on

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith wiped out a go ahead touchdown with seconds

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Speaker 1: to play, allowing the Bengals to hold up the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens for with win at Paul Brown Stadium, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: are back in first place in the hyper competitive an

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Speaker 1: f C North. Mark I asked you to do the

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Speaker 1: best team win today. I I really came in looking

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Speaker 1: at Baltimore as the almost obvious best team in the North,

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Speaker 1: and after what the Steelers did today that I'm not

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Speaker 1: convinced of anymore, and I can't buy the Bengals. I

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Speaker 1: this feels like every other Bengals Ravens game that I've

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Speaker 1: seen over the last three years, where you know they're

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Speaker 1: gonna split and you're gonna get one good game for

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Speaker 1: the home team, and then the next you know, this

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00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: game really should have been Baltimore's I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that call and Steve Smell, I guess it felt like that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the offensive past in appearance, it was close.

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00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: It was borderline to me, and it was a beautiful pass. Flacco, though,

549
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: is culpable in this game. A little bit after he

550
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: came in with fourteen touchdowns, five picks through too bad

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00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: interceptions today that gave you know, Cincinnati a chance to

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Speaker 1: get back in and win the game. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't the cleanest effort by the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: It's a problem for the Ravens that they've gotten swept

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Speaker 1: by Cincinnati because any tie break, if whether it's the

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Speaker 1: two of them or three teams tying for the division,

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Speaker 1: they you know, they're in a big hole now because

558
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Speaker 1: of that and two records. They kind of have to

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Speaker 1: sweep the Steelers to make up for it. When the

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Speaker 1: Bengals get a j green back, and what we talked

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Speaker 1: about before that they aren't the same team. They really weren't.

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Speaker 1: I think Mohammed Sanu did as much as you could

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Speaker 1: ask for someone to step up and make some big plays,

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Speaker 1: but the offense has just seemed completely out of sink

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Speaker 1: and I just I still can't believe in Andy Dalton.

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Speaker 1: He had an awful fumble today where he just was

567
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: spinning around like a marionette with the ball hanging out there,

568
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: and that should have been the game too. Well, I know,

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Speaker 1: and I know Andy Dalton's enemy number one of this podcast.

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00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: No one believes. Well, we shouldn't maybe put them down

571
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: as much as we do. That's always he's been very clean.

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00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: Right now, we're talking about them because we've seen them,

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Speaker 1: we've seen their little ruse in the playoffs before. Alright,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're awful. They're very confusing because they

575
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: were as bad as can be on defense the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks, and they were great the first three weeks,

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Speaker 1: so they were just figuring them out. Finished my point though,

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Speaker 1: that maybe they deserve some credit for beating the Ravens

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00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: today when they don't have a j Green, they don't

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Speaker 1: have Marlon Jones, like this is a nice win. And

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00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: and for Andy Dalton for that terrible fumble that led

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Speaker 1: to the score that put him behind, also let him

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Speaker 1: down the field and got him in the end zone

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00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: to give him the win. So while this team is

585
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: not dominating anyone, if you're making a list of the

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: top five teams in the FC right now, they're probably

587
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Speaker 1: five if you're lucky. Right now, they're probably not in

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Speaker 1: anyone's top three. There's still a team. That's one thing

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00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: we've said about Cincinnati, even going back to last year's

590
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Speaker 1: they're one of the most complete teams in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's accurate to say that we're all

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Speaker 1: bearing Dalton. I mean he is. He is going to

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Speaker 1: do those two or three one or two three plays

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00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: a game to get you killed. But Andy Dalton has

595
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: had a nice season for the most part up to now.

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Speaker 1: But but do you look at him as someone that's

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Speaker 1: a plus factor for that team? Though we're not all

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00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: saying the same thing about him, number one, I I

599
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: tend to think we're all on the same page, or

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Speaker 1: the three of you are on the same page about Dalton,

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Speaker 1: that he's not the answer. He's not a plus factor.

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00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a reason that they are not winning

603
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: playoff games played today, at least just looking at the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that fair to say Flacco had I

605
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Speaker 1: think going back to Week one, this was his worst

606
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: game since Week one. I'll say something positive about the

607
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: Bengals now that Golden Tate is starting to get some respect.

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Speaker 1: Mohammed Sanu is my pet project as the most underappreciated

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL. He is yeah, I mean,

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00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: what a life. I think he's appreciated properly. Anything else

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Speaker 1: in this game, guess, Oh my god, I guess not.

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Speaker 1: T D says no. Moving forward, the Miami Dolphins ran

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Speaker 1: back to Blake Boardles interceptions for touchdowns, giving Joe Fieldman's

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: team more than enough scoring win over the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars cannot build off their big win over the Browns

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Speaker 1: last week. Uh, let's talk a little bit about Blake Boardles.

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Speaker 1: Watching this game, he had six He has now six

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Speaker 1: turnovers in the past two weeks. He leads the league

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Speaker 1: with twelve interceptions. He has four pick six is um

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Speaker 1: and don't forget all this was done. He didn't really

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Speaker 1: start a game until Week four. So Boardles, while has

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Speaker 1: plenty of plenty of tools, he has not answered a

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Speaker 1: great six wation and he's turning the ball over too

624
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: much right now. I think it's like your your your

625
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that go high in the draft and bear it

626
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: will be are going to incomplete awful teams at the

627
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Speaker 1: same time. I mean, from what we've seen from boardles,

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Speaker 1: this guy is not afraid to fire the ball down field,

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Speaker 1: but he's not reading the field correctly. You know, he

630
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: made some terrible throws in Cleveland last week. I didn't

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Speaker 1: watch the game today, but I'm obviously that happened again.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're gonna get with this guy. I am

633
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: a team, right, any team that plays a rookie quarterback,

634
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: these games are gonna happen in the game. Um, you

635
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: know the games he said was turning the ball over

636
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Speaker 1: too much. Do you guys think it was the right

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Speaker 1: move to to roll with him this far to go

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Speaker 1: from week four on? Was this the right move? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And even with all of these pick sixes, I'm still

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Speaker 1: convinced he's going to be a star. I agree. How

641
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: did the narn Robinson look, Dawn? He has he's the

642
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: backfield guy there now, he's the man. He had a

643
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: second straight game over a hundred yards. They were feeding

644
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: the ball. He even looked pretty good running between tackles.

645
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: He was showing me something that I didn't really expect

646
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: to see. Toby Gara Hart who's named Toby, so it

647
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: should have been the tip off. He is not the

648
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: answer there. They gave him a nice amount of money.

649
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: They get he's healthy. Today he had four carries, so

650
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: he's been marginalized, and look for o W to be

651
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: their guy in the backfield going forward. How about the Dolphins.

652
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we kind of sunk this team as irrelevant here.

653
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: They are like the Bills above five hundred at mid season,

654
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: almost four and three. They're they're winning the games they're

655
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: supposed to win the last few weeks. A little bit

656
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: of credit for the Dolphins. They deserve credit for sure.

657
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: I will say that, Um, Ryan Tannehill took a little

658
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: bit of a step back today. Uh, you want to

659
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: see consistent play from him, so we'll see. I'm interested

660
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: to see how he does next week if if, maybe

661
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: he just shrugs us off and continues. He got better

662
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: in the second half, but there was a point in

663
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: the first half. I think midway through the second quarter

664
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: they had four total yards on offense, so they were

665
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: not moving the ball very well at all. Um, some

666
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: good news if you're Dolphin spent. Also, Tannehill and Mike

667
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Wallace hooked up on a fifty yard p s um,

668
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: which has been an issue with them. All season, so

669
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: that would be something to get excited about. And then

670
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: a weird stat. I'm I don't put too much into this,

671
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: but Tannehill had his third straight game with a thirty

672
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: yard rush. No quarterback has done that since two thousand

673
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: four Michael Vicks. So, as we talked about last week, Uh,

674
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: this guy is doing it with his legs. He's rushed

675
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: for about fifty yards three straight weeks. So Bill Laser

676
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: is incorporating a sneaky element of his game. I think

677
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: they're Yeah, this defense too. I mean they can get

678
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Four sacks, eight quarterback hits today. Uh,

679
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: not playing the best offensive line in the a f C.

680
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: We know that, but you know Dolphins and Bills are

681
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: They're not gonna win that division because the Patriots are

682
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: blessed eternally. But maybe sneaky potential wild card candidates here?

683
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Are we buying that? Well, I'm not. I'm not ready

684
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: to recount him out, that's for sure. I mean the Bills,

685
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: especially suddenly five and three. Yeah, the FC is way

686
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: deeper than last Yes, it is much. It is gonna

687
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: be a lot tougher to get into the playoffs, but

688
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: I think they have a Chance, Bills and Dolphins. The

689
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: next team we're gonna talk about is the team that

690
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to get. I really wanted to gage you

691
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: guys on what you think about them as playoff contenders.

692
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: Transition Jamal Charles Rush for a pair of touchdowns to

693
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: lead the Kansas City Chiefs to a thirty four to

694
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: seven win over the St. Louis Rams. Uh. This is

695
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: a game that Chiefs had a two to one advantage

696
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: in time of time possession. Alex Smith completed eighty five

697
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: point seven percent of his passes West. The Chiefs have

698
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: won four or five, as we said, with the exception

699
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: of Week one, They've they brought it every week. They've

700
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: been a competitive team. They're winning. Now, do you buy

701
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: the Chiefs as a legit a f C playoff contender? Well,

702
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: I think you have to say by their record, in

703
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: the way they've played, you have to include them in that.

704
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know a half dozen teams that are around

705
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: that four and three, five and three that do have

706
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: a shot at the wild card. They're not gonna win

707
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: that division. Are they the best of those? I don't think.

708
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: I think if you if you put the Ravens in

709
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: that mix, I think the Ravens are the best of those.

710
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: See Dan, If you you you point to Dalton is

711
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: someone that's not appreciated, I would quit more quickly point

712
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: to Alex Smith twenty four, twenty eight. It's not easy

713
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to do. I really he's not. But but yeah, he

714
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: manages that. I think he's He might be the best

715
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: game manager of any quarterback in history if you label

716
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: these game managers like that, like the Trent Dealvers and

717
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: Brad Johnson's of the world. Their offensive line with such

718
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: an issue in the preseason, and they obviously lost ton

719
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: of people. Is it better now? Is it is? It's

720
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: playing more cohesively. Yeah, I think it's a lot better

721
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: than we expected. We expected it to be a season

722
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: long Achilles heel for them, and it hasn't been. And

723
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: part of that is I'm sure that's a big part

724
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: of why they do the dncin Dune Golfer. Smith and

725
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: Reid deserve a lot of credit because they have Dwayne

726
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: bow who's a number two getting paid like a number one.

727
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: They don't have a number two. They don't really have

728
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: a number three. I mean, Travis Kelsey is a nice

729
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: tight end, very nice tight end. But they don't have

730
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: anyone out wide receiver. I mean, look at the leading

731
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: receiver was today. It's both and Kelsey, then Charlottan Sherman

732
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: and Fossano, then Thomas They was not really a receiver.

733
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: You're down to your sixth receivers. Frankie Hammond, who cut apat.

734
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: You have no wide receivers on the team, and yet

735
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: you're dialing up enough offense to win game. Maybe they'll

736
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: have Vincent Jackson in a day, or you know what,

737
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: they do have. The NFL sack leader, Justin Houston had

738
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: three today. He's up to ten bypassed. I mean, I

739
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: don't think he's playing as well as von Miller, but

740
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: he's got more sacks than him. West. Uh. You know

741
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Bret farrv a man that was a great football player.

742
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: Now he's a maintenance worker. I understand he's somewhere in

743
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: the southern portion of the United States. He wrangles wranglers,

744
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: wrangles wranglers. He said that Austin Davis could be the

745
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: next Kurt Warner. You say the bloom is off the

746
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: Austin Davis rose it is. He had eighty yards before

747
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: the final like garbage time drive. Today. No offense whatsoever.

748
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: In St. Louis. They got creative in that forty Niners

749
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: game in a little bit against the Seahawks too, did

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00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: that just they had a nice opening drive again today touchdown,

751
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: and then had nothing the rest of the Whats all

752
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you can ask from this office, You're getting The Buffalo

753
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: Bills took advantage of six New York Jets turnovers. That's

754
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: a real number, waltson to an easy win over Rex

755
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: Ryan's free falling team at the meadow Lands on Sunday.

756
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: The Jets of last seventh straight, and they again benched

757
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Gino Smith in favor of Michael Vick. After Gino Smith

758
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: and get this people through three interceptions in the first quarter.

759
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: He had more interceptions than completions. Luckily, because we are

760
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: we are run by the Boss, Greg Rosenthal, who knew

761
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: this would be one of those great epic meltdown games

762
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: for the Jets. We wanted to get someone and bed

763
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: them at the meadow Ends. So that's what we did.

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Speaker 1: We have around the NFL's New York correspondent or New

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00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Jersey correspondent, I should say, Connor, or how are you doing, buddy?

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00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Round the NFL Podcast, what's going on?

767
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeling a little bit better now, I'm a

768
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: few more a few hours removed from quite possibly the

769
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: worst offensive football game I've ever seen. Well, let's let's

770
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: start right off the top, because usually Kevin Patrick comes

771
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: on here, his his move when he signs on, when

772
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: we call him, what's going on? Fellas? Yours was similar?

773
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: What's going on? So that that's an issue right off

774
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: the bat. Before we get to the Jets, I want

775
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: have to come up with some sort of uh, I

776
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: don't know, New Jersey like provincial, like hello or something

777
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: like that, like maybe how you doing or something like

778
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: how you doing? All right? Okay, good? Don't force it,

779
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: thoull be natural. Now tell us about this one of

780
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: the worst before I'm used to cover the Jets. People

781
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: that don't know Connor or used to be the beat

782
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: guy for the Jets for a couple of years, and

783
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of ugly, grim business in the

784
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan era. Tell tell us what set this apart? Well,

785
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean just the fact that I mean, early on,

786
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: Geno seems so helping on just forcing the ball to

787
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Percy Harvin and and he you know, he threw an

788
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: interception on that one d ball down the Jet sideline,

789
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: and then the drive after that when when Percy Harvin

790
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: was out with the concussions, He's through the exact same

791
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: route only to Jeff Cumberland. So I don't know how

792
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: he thought one would work out a little bit better

793
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: than the other. UM. And then you know, then you

794
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: bring in Michael Vick who fumbles four times, uh, and

795
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: uh really throws two interceptions, one of them end up

796
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: getting called back. So I mean, just I think it

797
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: was the first time since Arizona Cardinals that they had

798
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks in one game have three or more turnovers.

799
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Jeff Football, go for it. Give us a little report

800
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: card on Percy Harvin's first game as a Jet. UM.

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00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, I actually thought, I do agree with Eric Decker.

802
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna open up the offense. Uh. You know,

803
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: he ended up getting forty snaps. Uh. They used him

804
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: primarily on the outside, UM, a little bit in the slot,

805
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: probably about five or six times in the slot. UM,

806
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: and then I think he got about six or seven

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00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: carries out of the backfield, which was interesting. Really, It's

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00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: what I thought Chris Johnson was supposed to be doing there.

809
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: But you know, apparently he's all but resigned to the

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00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: fact that he's no longer part of the offense. It

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: sounds like, yeah, I'm gonna tile you're talking. I'm gonna

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: try to find the quote that I heard from Chris

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00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: Johnson after the game. That's right, you were in the

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00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: locker room. Did you go to the Bills or the Jets?

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00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: I guess he probably went to the winners or he

816
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: went to talk Harvin. No. I went to UH. I

817
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: wanted to see what was up with Gino uh and

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: and Vic. I wanted to see them talk. I thought

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00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: that was definitely gonna be the most interesting part of

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00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: the night, and it didn't disappoint. Mean, the dynamics, they're

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: just fascinating. I mean, Rex just you know, he's been

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00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: there for so long and it's never had a dependable quarterback,

823
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: and like you can just tell he's just so worn down.

824
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: And both of those guys are talking. Neither of them

825
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: really his campaigning for the starting job at this point.

826
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: They want and Rex then announced after the game. But

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00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: just to circle back, Chris Johnson was asked about the

828
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: Jets quarterback situation. This was after he had I don't

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00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: know three carry something like that. He said, three carry

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Speaker 1: seven yards. He said, I don't even be in the game,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what does that me? I don't know.

832
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about the Bills a little bit because, uh,

833
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: another you know, frisky middle of the pack a f

834
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: C team took advantage of an outrageous amount of turnovers

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00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: by the Jets. But they did some things today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they went and I'm surprised, actually,

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00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, I did kind of take a jab at

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00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: Maron and his coaching staff for not going down field more.

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00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean if uh, you know, they went deep to

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Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins twice and you know, two times he took

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00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: it eighty four yards. He should have had touchdowns. Um,

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00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, he showboted. He showboted trying to show off

843
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: during his first long reception and he was dragged down

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00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: from behind, uh kind of in the most embarrassing eighty

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Speaker 1: four yard catch ever. Yeah, by the converted wide receiver.

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00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: Uh So, I mean that's one thing the Jets have

847
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: going for them is u sex. Ryan knows how to

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00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, and he's a very belly checking enough

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Speaker 1: him to to scrape the bottom of the roster and

850
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: trying to find the safety since uh, nobody else seems

851
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: to be working out forget Brady and Roethlisberger. Kyle Orton

852
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: averaged fourteen yards per attempt today, seventeen throws, and he

853
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: had four touchdowns. And he did something that no quarterback

854
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: has done since Bubby Brister ten or fewer completions in

855
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. Wow. I like that. It is Greg knows

856
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: how to push all the buttons. He's like that manager

857
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: in the Playoffs that every movie makes is working Greg Rosenthal. Wow,

858
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: good job Greg. All right, thank you, Connor, thank you guys.

859
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Have one. Hey, while we're on the topic of Kyle Orton,

860
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: I want to read something a feature in the Buffalo

861
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: News that Greg Rosenthal brought to my attention. The headline

862
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: and Mark, you should pay attention to this because you

863
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: have assassinated this man's character in the past. Kyle Orton

864
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: the bills, his quiet warrior. And here's here's a line

865
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: from the piece. Anyone who has interacted with Orton on

866
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: a significant level can attest he is a man of

867
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: passionate convictions. Away from the field, he's a known as

868
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: an erudite, cultured, and politically inspired he's an advocate for

869
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: social changes, causes and workers. Right, he's a deep thinker,

870
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: Mark Sessa. Well, so, I mean we've got Odell Beckham,

871
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: that's strategy is to miss a month of work and

872
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: come back and become a star. Now you've got Kyle Orton,

873
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: that's all these great things and decides to walk away

874
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: with millions of dollars from Jerry Jones. So what is

875
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: he teaching us? You know, I want you to go

876
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: and read this article, Tim Gram. I will read it,

877
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: but I'm not going. What do you come and just imagine?

878
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Just imagine instead of the words Kyle Orton on the page,

879
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: it says Mark Sessler, because I see some similarities. I

880
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: don't know philosophical and I mentioned that all along. I

881
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: don't like the way he dealt with the Dallas Cowboys.

882
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: He hung him out to drive. You spoke of him

883
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: as a man of low moral fiber. I did not

884
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: like that particular lever Pool. Maybe, like a lot of

885
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: deeper thinkers who have played football, they have some issues

886
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: with the game and they do under what it should

887
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: mean for their lives. Maybe that was what Kyle Orton

888
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: was doing. Well, okay, but he also was like let

889
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: me get paid for doing nothing, and let me get

890
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: paid a lot. So really, suddenly we're painting him as

891
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: this in or something that walks around doing all these

892
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: wonderful intellectual things while he walked away with millions of

893
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: dollars with doing nothing. I think we'd all like to

894
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: do that. I like to think of you, Mark as

895
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: the guy that what does it all mean? You're like

896
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: the biggest what does it all mean? Guy? I know.

897
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: So there's a connection here. I think there's dislike him

898
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: if he is the way they described him here, But

899
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I haven't met him, and I'm not gonna just take

900
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: this as gospel. Do we need a day? Tant number

901
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: nine overall picked Anthony Barr forced the fumble and returned

902
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: it for a touchdown to deliver the Vikings a nineteen

903
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: thirteen overtime victory over the Buccaneers and Tampa greg This

904
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: was a game in which the Vikings dominated for three quarters,

905
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: blew at ten point lead, then managed to bring it home.

906
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: I imagine Mike Zimmer and by the way, congrats Mike's

907
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: Murphy knocking out those kidney stones. Two procedures to get

908
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: rid of kidney stones. The worst thing in the world

909
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: to even think about, and now he gets a nice

910
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: win after some tough losses. Big week. Tell us about

911
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: the game, Greg, Well, the kids in your kidney Stone issues, yourself,

912
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: the kids in Minnesota. You got something to be excited about.

913
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Teddy Bridgewater had a very up and down game,

914
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: but on his toughest throws he made completions. I mean

915
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: the touchdown to Jennings was a beautiful play while he

916
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: was getting hit. A lot of big third down throws

917
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: to Cordurell Patterson, who led the team in receiving yards

918
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: eighties six yards. Today Bridgewater sets up over time with

919
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: a game tying drive. Bar who makes a couple of

920
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: wild plays every week wins it. There's your two first

921
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: round picks. Meanwhile, Sarie Floyd had a nice game. Everson

922
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Griffin's been on fire, so some of the building blocks

923
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: for the Vikings are kind of coming around. We also

924
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: got Cordarold Patterson finally showing up eighties six yards all

925
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: six catches. And I really like Jared Mjerrick McKinnon in

926
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: the backfield too, and he had a big day what

927
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: eighties something yards? Yeah, he was solid. You know, the

928
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Bucks couldn't move the ball. I think they had fifty

929
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: one yards midway through the third quarters, So typical Mike

930
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Glenning game man. He didn't have any time and granted

931
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: he didn't play well. They had five straight three and outs,

932
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: but the Minnesota defensive line has something going here with

933
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: Floyd Griffin, Lynn Val Joseph has been a little bit

934
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: of a disappointment, but robuson Griffin gets after it. I mean,

935
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: they they've had a good couple of weeks. Last two weeks.

936
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: They should They should have won both the games or

937
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: the Bucks the worst team in the NFL, I think

938
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: they are right now. I would take the Raiders and

939
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: the Jags over them on a neutral field because I

940
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: think they've been lucky. The one game they won was lucky,

941
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: and even the games they're in, it feels like they're lucky.

942
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: They were lucky to get this thing to overtime. Will

943
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: Vince and Jackson be in Tampa Bay by Wednesday? I

944
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: don't think so. He only had one catch today, But well,

945
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: it sounds like they're getting a lot of offers from

946
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: people to and this team almost needs to be blown

947
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: up from scratch. Why not? It's weird that they want

948
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: to trade him so badly, because I get the send

949
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: that it's Tampa saying for sale, guys. I don't know

950
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: if they're getting a lot of good offers, because he'd

951
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: be traded if they were getting a lot of good offers.

952
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: I think they want to get rid of him. Uh,

953
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: impromptu game of what's more likely? What more likely has

954
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: a job January one, Lovey Smith or Mike Smith. I

955
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: say Lovey Smith is more likely to have a job

956
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: just because he's only been there year. They probably want

957
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: to give him more than one year job. I mean,

958
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: we're just saying they're they're a team. They weren't. They

959
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: weren't expected to be a rebuilding team or some team

960
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: in the tank. This year. They could go to and fourteen.

961
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: It's a fair question because the Bucks were one team

962
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: that we all thought, oh, you know, Lovey Smith has

963
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: just he had a nice sabbatical year. He's walked into

964
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: a playoff ready defense. That's what we were saying back

965
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: in April and May and there before. You can't keep

966
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: firing coaches one year into the contract. I mean Shianna

967
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: fired a couple of years into it. They'd be playing

968
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: three different coaches million dollars a year. If they went

969
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: for another one, and he has a history with the

970
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: bus his name because it's been one of the most

971
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: disappointing coaching jobs. Thanks Mark, that's fair. Get props with

972
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: the Hosts. The Browns avoided becoming the first team in

973
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: NFL history to drop back to back games to winless

974
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: teams this late in the season. They took care of

975
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: business within over the winless Oakland Raiders. Mark, first thing,

976
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: I just want to say, congratulations on the win, your

977
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 1: team bouncing back. I'm not so happy that you hedged

978
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: your best and picked against your own team. It seems

979
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: like a you compromise your honor a little bit there,

980
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: but you both you won and you lost. Today. I

981
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: didn't talk about compromise any honor because if you think

982
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: because I grew up rooting for the Browns and I'm

983
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: gonna pick them sixteen straight games, I mean at home

984
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: against the potentially one of the worst teams in recent history.

985
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: That's why I was a little disappointed. Look they this

986
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: honestly was not a great performance by Cleveland. The Raiders

987
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: that gained the Browns by eight yards, Well, Cleveland has

988
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: some issues on defense. They also put the heat on

989
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: car towards the end kind of put this thing out

990
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: of question at some point. But they've got issues and

991
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: this is this is was the third best rushing team

992
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: in football two weeks ago today thirty nine yards at

993
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: one point six yard per carrying. They cannot run the

994
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: football anymore. And you as a major missing piece. And

995
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: I know that you think Dan and I'm over selling that,

996
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: but I really think what at Mac brought to that

997
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: line was cohesiveness and he would call out the adjustments everything.

998
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: Hoyers not experienced to do that the same way that

999
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback would. They have a guy that brought

1000
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: off the practice squad to take that job right now,

1001
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: and it shows no running back could get lanes get open.

1002
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: I really think for the way this team was playing

1003
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: before that it is is it fatal, It's fatal. If

1004
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: you wanted them to do more than go eight and eight,

1005
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: nine and seven tops, there won't be any return of

1006
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: the Mac next year. Maybe if if Mac is that good,

1007
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: he should have been the m v P. I mean,

1008
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: he's a two time Pro Bowl that's senter, so he's

1009
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: going to be ignored. But I'm not saying it's ignored,

1010
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: but it's one player. If Okay, I get it for

1011
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. If that ends up being the

1012
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: thing that ruined their season, it's not the thing. I mean,

1013
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: there's other things around that could be going better. Maybe

1014
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: it's a coincidence he was gone. I'm just saying, I

1015
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: just don't know what else to point to because it

1016
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: happened right when he went out running game. It makes

1017
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: sense Jordan Cameron went out with a concussion. That's that's

1018
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: bad news. Tell us about Brian Harry had obviously a

1019
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: terrible game last week. Bounce back a little bit, at

1020
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: least in the second half. He kind of he improved

1021
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: down the stretch of this game. But they really looked

1022
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: disjointed on offense again, because there's such a play action

1023
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: passing team that when you're not when the defense doesn't

1024
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: believe in the run, you're exposing your quarterback. That would

1025
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: happen with any team that can't run the ball, you know.

1026
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: He he continues to make throws two receivers that are

1027
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: like five ft seven and five ft eight. They really

1028
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: we need to get Josh Gordon back. I know that

1029
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: they really wanted. Petton said after the game that Jordan

1030
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: Cameron was the absolute central part of this game plan,

1031
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: and when it went out in the first quarter, they

1032
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: struggled to pick it up from there and they played

1033
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: They played a bad defense and so any plays they made.

1034
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: The numbers for Hoyer he had a hundred eleven rating.

1035
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: He wasn't a hundred eleven rating. Looking quarterback on the

1036
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: field today, he's he's a middling guy that is still

1037
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: learning the game. They have a winning record. When was

1038
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: the last time they had a winning record this late

1039
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: in the season two thousands of I think maybe two

1040
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: thousand and one because they were four and two and

1041
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. All right, let's play a fun

1042
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: little game. I incorporated all all of you gentlemen, and

1043
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go around the horn quick fire. I'm gonna

1044
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: go through the rest of the Raiders schedule. Just give

1045
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: me win loss. As I go through the schedule, I'll

1046
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: start with Mark to Greg and then back here we go.

1047
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Mark at Seahawks, loss home to Broncos, West at Chargers,

1048
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: home to Chiefs, Well US at Rams mm hmm. Give

1049
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: him the win. Yeah, I'll give him a win. Oh, no,

1050
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: way home to Niners at Chiefs. When alright, we're ruining

1051
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: the game though, home to Bills Tea at Broncos to

1052
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: close it out. According to the around the NFL team,

1053
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: we're three and thirteen. I'm gonna take the Rams win

1054
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: back and just give him. I would almost eat West

1055
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: of Softball pants if they win three games, but I

1056
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: won't go that far this team. The point I was

1057
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: making is there's not really a gimme here for a

1058
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: bad bad Raiders team. If they're lucky sixteen, it's not insane.

1059
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: Mackenzie is so gone after the season. Derek carr is,

1060
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: I think too good. Actually, that's the That's the reason

1061
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: why I picked them is their offense and their quarterback

1062
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: isn't terrible. He'll get a win. He is extremely good

1063
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: under pressure and especially when you know late late in

1064
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: the fir staff just throw them right down the field.

1065
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like a rookie in some ways. They'll

1066
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: get at least war Troy Aikman went one fifteen. His

1067
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: rookie far Aaron Foster went over a hundred yards rushing

1068
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: for the sixth time the seeding season, leading the Texans

1069
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: to a thirty to sixteen road win over the Tonosa Titans.

1070
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: In Zach Mettenberg's NFL debut. Zach Mettenberg completed forty one

1071
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: passes for two nine yards two touchdowns in an interception.

1072
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: I guess showed some promise replacing clipboard Jesus and Jake Locker.

1073
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: That didn't stop though J J. Watt, who didn't take

1074
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: kindly and I didn't like it either. Greg was defending

1075
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: this for some reason downstairs. I didn't like Mettenberger posting

1076
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: tons of selfies and instant snapchats and having a grant

1077
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: and all time on social media. And then J. J.

1078
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: Watt came out and buried him for it after the game, said,

1079
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: this is the NFL, not high school. It's true. Got

1080
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: calmed down, zackmanton Burg just sounded like a get off

1081
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: my lawn thing. I just I wouldn't think it was

1082
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: a big deal that Mettenberger is having some fun posting pictures.

1083
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: Who cared he might be the only player in the

1084
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: burning with any personality though, so give him that. Kevin

1085
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: did I call him Mettenberg the whole time? Yeah, Kevin,

1086
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: six round will be out of the league of three years.

1087
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Kevin did send in his summary that that game sucked.

1088
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: Mettenberger was mad, made some bigger throws in clipboard Jesus,

1089
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: but was scattershot. Arian Foster best player on the field.

1090
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: Arian Foster has had like an amazing, amazing and quietly

1091
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: amazing season. He's carrying him said a hundred yards and

1092
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: six out of seven games. I think in the only

1093
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: game he didn't have a hundred yards was coming back

1094
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: from a hamstring injury. He wasn't jenevon Clowney, jadevan Clowny.

1095
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: Actually it's pronunciation correction day only. A tackle didn't really

1096
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: do much as it. Metturger that J J. Watt while

1097
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: we're just throwing out stats, two sacks, forced fumble, two

1098
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: tackles for a loss, and he knocked down another pass. Uh. So,

1099
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: as great as von Miller has been, J J. Watt

1100
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: is gonna win Defensive Player of the Year. Yes, a

1101
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: good job by Bill O'Brien. They won two games last year,

1102
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: they won four this year. He'd have to vanish in

1103
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: like an alien vehicle to not win that award. Right now,

1104
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: we need to turn the page on Ryan Fitzpatrick. Well,

1105
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: you could have said that three years ago and I

1106
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: would agree with you. Who who they turned into to

1107
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett. Yeah, they have to figure out what Ryan

1108
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: mall it is. I mean, they're they're competitive every week.

1109
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, is that basically all they could have asked for.

1110
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick figured out what he was, or at least

1111
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: in his estimation, he was worth like a pile of penn.

1112
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they traded him for nothing. They wanted no

1113
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: part of Smart football analysts have said this guy is

1114
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: an NFL starter. Mike Mayock has said it, let's see,

1115
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: because we know Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't gonna give you more

1116
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: than six wins in a season. Which takes us to

1117
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: Sunday Night football at the Superdome. The Saints get back

1118
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: on track, mark Ingram Rush for a career high a

1119
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: hundred and seventies two yards, leading the Saints over the

1120
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers on Sunday Night UH a game in

1121
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: which the Packers jumped ahead early and it looked like,

1122
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: oh more trouble for the Saints and the Packers are

1123
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: gonna keep rolling. But it didn't work out that way.

1124
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: The Saints gut back into it, then they took the lead,

1125
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: and then they just ran away with it in the

1126
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: second half. Chris Wesson, what did you see out there?

1127
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you quit jerking around and

1128
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: get the ball and mark Ingram's hands. You have you do,

1129
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: as Dan mentioned, have a stable full of boys, but

1130
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: I feel like there's one guy at the front of it.

1131
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, no one was Smith well, but no one

1132
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: feel they're more invested in Ingram this year. I feel

1133
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: like no one can say that they were ahead of

1134
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: you on the mark Ingram rejuvenation bandwagon. There are still

1135
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: people doubting him, and to me, it's just it's silly.

1136
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: All you have to do is turn on the film.

1137
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: The guy is running better than any back outside of

1138
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: the Margot Murray and maybe Arian Foster. And in a

1139
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: day of great quarterback play, there were nine quarterbacks at

1140
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: three over three hundred yards. We talked about what Ben

1141
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger did. We talked about what Tom Brady did. Drew

1142
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Brees also delivered a gym thirty two for three d

1143
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: and eleven yards, three touchdowns on average, almost ten yards

1144
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: per attempt, a hundred and thirty eight pass. The rating

1145
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: Drew Brees showed up and almost in a very important

1146
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: development for the Saints, gave them a little bit of

1147
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: a swag back, especially in their own building where it's

1148
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: tough to beat at home. Well, they hit vertical passes,

1149
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: which they hit one last week to still so that

1150
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: was a nice start. But they tried three or four

1151
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: and then today they hit one to Brandon Cook's off

1152
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: play action. They hit one to Kenny Stills deep and

1153
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: that's the same offense, the big play offense, and they

1154
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: started to look like that today and Jimmy Graham looked

1155
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: a little bit healthier and got a touchdown too. I

1156
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: think this is what we expected in in August, that

1157
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: you got these two guys going deep. They used Cooks creatively,

1158
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham's a weapon in the red zone, and it

1159
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: was easily Breeze is best game of the year. Well,

1160
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I picked them this week was

1161
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: not just because I'm a Homer and went to school there,

1162
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: but that I thought they played really well in New Orleans,

1163
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: that I mean in Detroit, that that looked like it

1164
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: was the turnaround of their season. And then they totally

1165
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: gagged the last four minutes. But for the most part,

1166
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: it was a really good game, and the defense did

1167
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: some similar things tonight where they didn't get too crazy

1168
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: with blitz is. They didn't play that well, they didn't

1169
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: force a single punt in the whole game. But they

1170
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't give up big, big plays the whole game, and

1171
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: they got a few turnovers in a few breaks. The

1172
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: timing is perfect for the Packers. The only I guess

1173
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: the good thing that came out of this game was

1174
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: they hit their by now, which is good because Aaron

1175
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: Rodgers did something to his hamstring in this game. He

1176
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: was limping pretty badly by the time he exited. They

1177
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: get a week now to regroup. Are we to the

1178
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: Packers are playing better than anyone going into this game?

1179
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: Now they hit a speed bump here. Um, Are we

1180
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: to worry about the Packers now? Or is this just

1181
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: one of those situations where a game got away in

1182
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: a tough environment. I'm not worried about him. I think

1183
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: they're a very good team. Their defense might not be

1184
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: quite as good, but they're better than they were last year.

1185
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: And you mark Ingram wasn't the only back with a

1186
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: career game tonight. Eddie Lacey un two yards from scrimmage

1187
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: his best game by far as a receiver, bolstered by

1188
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: a sixty seven yards screen pass on which he looked

1189
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: dynamite eight. As receiver, Eddie Lacy i mean, it seems

1190
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: like a miracle for most of the game, whenever the

1191
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: Saints could force a field goal, and then they get

1192
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: a tip in the red zone and pick that off.

1193
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: A rookie receiver Davante Adams stops his route and they

1194
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: get a tip for another interception. Otherwise, the Packers are

1195
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: gonna put up forty points in this game. They didn't

1196
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: have Morgan Burnett, they didn't have Sam Shields. I think

1197
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. They are a game back of the Lions, though,

1198
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: so we have a little bit of an NFC North race.

1199
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: They're collapse in this game coincided with Rogers hamstring injury.

1200
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: They didn't score another point until garbage time really after

1201
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: that hamstring injury. And I thought they moved the ball

1202
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: well all night, Roger's fourth career four hundred yard game,

1203
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: even though they pulled him early. How about no punts

1204
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: in this game. It's only happened three times in NFL history.

1205
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: Two of those times we're in Packers games this season

1206
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Packers Bears in Week four, no punts and then and

1207
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: then tonight. That is weird stuff. That's a crazy And

1208
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: how many teams have a third running back like mark

1209
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: Ingram that they can just roll out there, not that

1210
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that guy's the number one back. Pierre

1211
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Thomas gets hurt, Skottie Robinson gets hurts, and it doesn't

1212
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: that's the best thing. If I'm Steve Smith, I'm worried

1213
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: about my honeymoon suite and West's uh stable of boys

1214
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: because this man is coming on hard right now. Mr

1215
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: Ivory could be taken over. Did I say I Yeah,

1216
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: you said, I'm not not kidding about this. Pierre Thomas,

1217
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: Kyrie Robinson injuries were the best thing to happen in

1218
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: this offense. Sean Payne needs to get out of his

1219
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: own way and get the baltimark ingram. Maybe he will

1220
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: Thursday night. That's a good little game we got here,

1221
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: NFC title or lead on the linement only on NFL Networks.

1222
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: How all right. That's it for Sunday's Editionally Around the

1223
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: NFL podcast. We'll be back with three more shows and

1224
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: the upcoming week including Wednesday or next show. Thank you

1225
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: for listening. As always, this is is Dan Hansons signing up

1226
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: for the Sizzler, The Mailman, the Boss and t D

1227
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: with a hat on behind the glass. So one said