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Speaker 1: This episode is presented to you by DraftKings. The crown

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Speaker 1: is yours.

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Speaker 2: Hmmmm, welcome back all the smoke, Day two in LA.

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Speaker 3: It's been a fun run. Yes, Sir Max has been

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Speaker 3: out here having a good time. We're going to sit

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Speaker 3: down with the legend yesterday. You get to sit down

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Speaker 3: with another legend today, gold status. I just want to

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Speaker 3: read some accolades real quick for introduce this this person.

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Speaker 3: Two time n C double A champion sc won the

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Speaker 3: first four w NBA champions.

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Speaker 1: How many four? Great? Okay? Make sure was the finals

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Speaker 1: MVP of all four chips. How many four? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Eight time Overseas scoring champ. I mean, and that's

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Speaker 3: just some of the accolades. Welcome to the show. The

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Speaker 3: one and only Miss Cynthia Cooper.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm excited to be overdue.

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Speaker 1: We had to chase you down.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Birthday, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You do anything fun for your birthday?

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Speaker 4: I didn't really do anything fun. Well, I guess I did.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't say that because then my son get all mad. Right,

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Speaker 4: So I had dinner with my son and kind of

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Speaker 4: chilled out. We binge watched some movies and television series.

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Speaker 4: I'm really low key like that. You know, I don't

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Speaker 4: need to party every once in a while. I enjoy

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Speaker 4: being on somebody's island just for you know, working on

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Speaker 4: my color.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, work on your color. Ye need that.

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Speaker 1: What's what's going on in life today besides that?

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Speaker 4: You know, I do training. I trained kids. I actually

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Speaker 4: was telling someone I heard my foot the other day

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Speaker 4: playing one on one with some twelve year olds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, they didn't get the drill right. I was like, Jad,

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Speaker 4: this is the jazz. It's more of a flinch. Do

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Speaker 4: it this way. And I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: check up, you know, just old school.

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Speaker 1: Just you didn't hurt yourself with the first jab, did you? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: I heard it.

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Speaker 4: Hey, look I heard it on the in and out

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Speaker 4: move shot. And then I was going to do the

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Speaker 4: runner off the glass. You look like it's still there though, Man,

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Speaker 4: it's still there. Bye people. Yeah, I'm still going back. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just pulling from my bag.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes our minds are a lot sharper than our bodies.

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Speaker 4: And when I noticed that my foot was like then,

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Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, a little too much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little too much.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about the current state of the w n

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Speaker 6: b A with all the money and all the attention

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love the current state. And what

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Speaker 4: I love about it is that this past rookie class,

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Speaker 4: gap between the n c a A fan fans and

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Speaker 4: the W fans. You know, they brought their fans with them.

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Speaker 4: Before there was a disconnect, you know, from you know

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Speaker 4: they're playing in March Madness and you know in college

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Speaker 4: to them going and playing and performing in the WNBA.

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Speaker 4: This past rookie class they were the first ones to

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Speaker 4: which then brought viewership, sponsorship money, more money, and I

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Speaker 4: love it. The other thing that I'm super impressed with

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Speaker 4: is it talent. You know, because girls get a chance

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Speaker 4: so they're getting to the W more complete, their games

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Speaker 4: people are really seeing how special women's sports are.

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Speaker 3: You had a quote it said, one thing I'm proud

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Speaker 3: of about my journey is I never got bitter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you know, sometimes when you see all this

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Speaker 4: money they making and you know you didn't make it,

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Speaker 4: and you know they have unrivaled and and and for unrivaled,

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Speaker 4: I had to go back overseas and get some money.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can become like a little jealous, like

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Speaker 4: I wish I was. I wish I was there, a

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Speaker 4: little hater. You could become a hater, But not me.

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Speaker 4: I love it, like I love everything that they're getting.

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Speaker 4: They deserve it. I love the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know. And I love that that they're able, the

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Speaker 4: a lot of times that's what gain fans support when

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Speaker 4: you show who you are off the court, when you

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Speaker 4: when you demonstrate that you're more than just a basketball player.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back in touch on your time at SC,

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Speaker 1: but talk to the current.

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Speaker 4: That's because you're brewing.

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Speaker 6: No, I have no issues with Yeah, I'm neutral, so

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Speaker 6: don't get mad with zero zero issues with that.

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Speaker 3: But what I want to say is, you finished college,

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Speaker 3: is the best player in the nation. What were your

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Speaker 3: options in America at that time, none nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, not only did I not

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Speaker 4: you got to remember when I was in college, it

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Speaker 4: was the McGee twins. It was the Cheryl Miller show show.

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Speaker 4: So Cheryl Miller was that that girl, that player, right,

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Speaker 4: and the McGee twins were right there, twin towers.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I actually came off the bench for the first three years.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I was a role player. Now I play

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Speaker 4: now I finished. I hear some shots now, but that

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Speaker 4: coming out of college, nobody really believed that I could

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Speaker 4: I could perform. And it's funny because while I was

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Speaker 4: like in my mind, I was a champion. In my mind,

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Speaker 4: I was a go to player. I was just playing

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Speaker 4: us to win a championship. Right. So then when I

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Speaker 4: got Overseas, the first thing I did my actually, actually

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Speaker 4: everybody the dog cat everybody. Everybody was to get some

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Speaker 4: right because I had to prove myself. I had a

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Speaker 4: chip on my shoulder right my first year in Italy

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Speaker 4: had averaged forty thirty nine point year giving them numbers.

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Speaker 4: Why because they were supposed to be the best league,

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Speaker 4: and I just wanted them to know y'all missed out

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Speaker 4: right once again with a chip on your shoulder, right,

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of that was my opportunity after, you know,

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Speaker 3: I want to back up real quickly because you said

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Speaker 3: something that I think we all grew up having to

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Speaker 3: learn is we had to pay our are dudes now

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Speaker 3: how did that help you with in the long term

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Speaker 4: Accountability? I learned accountability. I learned that if I wanted

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Speaker 4: couldn't blame it on anybody else because at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, coaches don't go out on the court

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Speaker 4: Coaches don't come off the screens. Coaches don't have one

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Speaker 4: I learned that I had to be accountable for me,

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Speaker 4: for my shooting percentages, free throw percentage, and how I

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Speaker 4: helped my team be better win championships. I had to

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Speaker 4: By the time I got to college, I had only

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Speaker 4: been playing basketball for three years. Now, I might add

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Speaker 4: I did average thirty one points as a senior in

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Speaker 1: To go ahead and throw that shit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I had one scholarship offer and I was

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Speaker 4: from USC, right, And so I learned hard work will

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Speaker 4: get you there, and then loyalty.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I was loyal. I was loyal to my high school

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Speaker 4: for giving me an opportunity. I was loyal to USC

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Speaker 4: for opening up the windows of the world to me,

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Speaker 4: and because of that, I was able to go overseas

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Speaker 4: with another level of confidence. That Okay, Like I wasn't

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Speaker 4: be great. I can be great if I'm willing to

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Speaker 4: put the work and look myself in the mirror when

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Speaker 4: I have a bad game and go get better.

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Speaker 3: You're from why there's another young lady coming from WATTS

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Speaker 3: currently and kind of followed your footsteps from WATS to SC. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: we all saw what happened to Juju tear her knee

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I shoot her communications and texts and all the time.

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Speaker 4: And I just love Juju.

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Speaker 4: I mean I love Juju. I love the work she

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Speaker 4: has almost perfected. Right, And I love that there's always growth.

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Speaker 4: Right when you see Juju as a freshman and have

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Speaker 4: the accomplishments she did, she didn't just settle there for that.

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Speaker 4: You know, she came back her sophomore year and just better,

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Speaker 4: adding to her bag, adding to her game and constantly growing.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So I love where she is and I know when

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Speaker 4: she comes back from this injury, she's going to be

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Speaker 4: better because mentally, you have to be a strong person

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Speaker 4: have to be an even stronger person to transition your

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Speaker 4: being the best player in college basketball. And you have

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Speaker 4: to be able to separate mentally what happens off the

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Speaker 4: when she needs to add to her back. So love

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Speaker 6: We and not especially in men's basketball. A lot of

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Speaker 6: us come from, you know, the hood and hard demographics,

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Speaker 6: and we don't hear too many stories about women having

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Speaker 6: to overcome a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of ours to come out.

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Speaker 6: You come from Watch paint the picture of your childhood

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Speaker 6: coming out of Watch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, the first thing that came to my mind

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Speaker 4: is hungry? Are you just hungry? Serp sandwiches?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 4: Government chief men and and just the fact that it

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Speaker 4: wasn't always easy to get to school. You know, you're

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Speaker 4: catching a bus. At the time, it was called RTD

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So I grew up in it was very tough with

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Speaker 6: Yeah, were you into the hip hop scene? You into

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Speaker 4: We could not see I to eye on anything.

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Speaker 1: Shack and Kobe. Oh it was, and.

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Speaker 5: I will say she was she was Kobe, and I

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Speaker 4: And I would I would sit there like, who.

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Speaker 1: Just do you ever? Shut up? And younger than you?

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Speaker 5: Older, older, and and I was, look, coming out of

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Speaker 5: I knew I was good, but I didn't believe I

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Speaker 4: I ain't no punk.

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Speaker 5: I mean live at Riverside, but I ain't no punk.

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Speaker 5: So she would come out from Watson. She would say

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Speaker 5: Taste the same, yeah, the same wanted you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: That would Papa, I don't care, no, but on the court. Simpotico, simpotico.

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Speaker 3: You know, you arguably played with the greatest female player

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Speaker 3: But how was it in college with that team, particularly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so did I mention I was a little rough

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Speaker 4: You gotta get your bluffy in right, I still have.

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Speaker 4: She Yeah, look, she got real tough. I love Cheryl,

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Speaker 4: It has to be like hers complete package, a complete package.

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Speaker 4: And she played so dog on hard, y'all. She played hard,

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Speaker 4: not sliding for nobody. So you know that helped me

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00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: in college, right, that helped me in the pros. I'm

439
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 4: constantly in balance right on. You ain't bumping me off

440
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: my line, Nope, I'm anticipating that contact.

441
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm meeting you where you yeah.

442
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. So now, she was great and she helped me

443
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 4: be better, and as a result, I became who everyone

444
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 4: saw in the w n B A because I had to.

445
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: I had to deal with Cheryl Miller, the greatest of

446
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: All Time at a very very early age.

447
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: So Cheryl said, you guys were the Showtime's little sisters.

448
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: Obviously you mentioned that team and that motivation and inspiration.

449
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: Any us stories you remember with those guys, those guys

450
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: magic in particular, or any of them.

451
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 4: Well not I don't remember a lot of stories, but

452
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: I remember Cheryl was Showtime. You remember I came off

453
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 4: the bench, y'all. I was in the second five. So

454
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: for me, the McGee twins and Cheryl, they were Showtime me.

455
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 1: I was.

456
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: I was trying to carve my spot out right. The

457
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 4: funny thing about my collegiate experience is by the time

458
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 4: you know, eighty three, by the time we got to

459
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 4: the championship game, we were the first All Blacks starting five.

460
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 4: So I went from being on the bench the entire

461
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: season to starting in the championship game and we won that.

462
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: We won that championship against kill Mooch and her crew

463
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: Deborah Rodman, Janis Lawrence. It was great because I ain't

464
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: like them because Kim talked too much. No, she wasn't nice.

465
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: She was a point guard, had those pigtails. Man come on,

466
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 4: the little braids in her hair and look, y'all, y'all

467
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: ready for this. I took my first and only collegiate charge.

468
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: It was a block all the way, but they didn't

469
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: call it a block. They called it a charge. The

470
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: ball was tapped away. Kim tapped the ball away from

471
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 4: Kathy and I saw it happening.

472
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: I was like, boom, she goes.

473
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: Tapped it to Janice Lawrence. Janice Lawrence passes it out

474
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: to kill Mochy on the fast break. I sprint back

475
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: and look, y'all. They have been calling charges all game,

476
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: charges all game. So I said, if I try to

477
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: block this girl's shot, they're gonna call the follow me.

478
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 4: We only yep by two, they're gonna call her phone.

479
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I'm gonna take a charge. Hey, y'all,

480
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: I ain't know how to take a charge, but I

481
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: knew I had to try to take a charge. Took

482
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: a charge. Boom charge on kill Moke. We going down,

483
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 4: Cherl picks me up off the floor. She's jumping around.

484
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: She's probably just jumping around because I took a charge.

485
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: That seemed like the scene from Loving Basketball many where

486
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: they got that from.

487
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: They didn't pay me no money though, they ain't give

488
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 4: me my duke.

489
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: Scene when Monica turned the ball over, it back down.

490
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: They changed it a little bit. But yeah, see yeah, yeah,

491
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: come on the show and you heard some money. I'm

492
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: gonna give you a few names. You talked about them.

493
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: But Deborah Rodman.

494
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: A little crazy but greaty look crazy. But you know

495
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 4: what it was, It was funny. First of all, she

496
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: came by honest, we know her brother, but she was

497
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 4: just a shot blocking machine, defensive player. She was tough

498
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 4: around the basket. So you know, I really I enjoyed

499
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 4: going up against everybody, right because you know, I played

500
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: against guys, so you know, when they let me play

501
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: against girls, I was like, all.

502
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: Right, cool, thank you. How hard was that?

503
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: I'm diverting a little bit, But I was going to

504
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: ask you, playing on these black tops, there's not too

505
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: many women out there, if any, So what was that

506
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: like coming up and kind of earning your stripes, in

507
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: earning respect for the men out there?

508
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it was. It was tough at first

509
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: because you have to prove yourself.

510
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: You know.

511
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 4: The other thing you taught me was you got to

512
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: be creative and you have to be lethal, Like you

513
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: can't get out there and miss three shots because then

514
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: they start talking. It's a man's game. You ain't supposed

515
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: to be out here anyway, like what you're doing. You're

516
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: a girl, right, So I learned to be fishing. I

517
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 4: learned to be. I learned to attack, and also I

518
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: learned that when I attack, I'm gonna draw everybody, because

519
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: every guy believes they're better than every girl just because

520
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: they're a guy. And every guy is gonna try to

521
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: beat your shot up when you go to the realm,

522
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: every single one up. So they're gonna go for every

523
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: shot fake, they're gonna go for every time you go

524
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: to the realm because in their minds they getting ready

525
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: beat this up. So I'm dishing off, I'm past my

526
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: and we winning, and were sitting them down and they

527
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 4: boys talking bad, crazy trash on the sideline to them,

528
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: and I'm loving every minute. Then they start talking to me,

529
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: and now you talk about shit talking, man, I got

530
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 4: some one liners for your eight Yes, come on, quick,

531
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: precise cut cut right. So that was me, that was

532
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: me learning right, that was me learning my craft. But

533
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: it also taught me how to take contact when I

534
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: played in games, and how to get teammates involved so

535
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: that you balance your game out. And they can't always

536
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: double team you, Right, That's what playing against guys and

537
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: how quick they are and strong and athletic, it taught

538
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: me those things so that when I applied those to

539
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: my games when I played in college, or when I

540
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: played overseas and I got triple teamed overseas, or they're

541
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: playing super physical in trying to keep me from scoring,

542
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: because overseas they don't care you getting paid to score,

543
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: you getting paid to score, you getting paid to win.

544
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: They don't care that they're triple tamu and officials not

545
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: making a call. So you know, I learned a lot

546
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: playing on the black tops in la.

547
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 6: First ten years overseas, you wont scoring titles of the

548
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 6: first eight, but the first ten, you could have won

549
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 6: all ten because you was in the runner is to

550
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 6: win all ten, but you won eight. Was that in Italy, Spain, Italy,

551
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 6: Italy and you only made twenty k?

552
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Talk about that experience.

553
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, First, let me let me say this. I only

554
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: made twenty k going over because that was the pay

555
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: skill and I didn't care because I wanted to get

556
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: my foot in the door because I felt like if

557
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: I got my foot in the.

558
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 7: Door, it would open up more opportunities, right, and so yeah,

559
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 7: I could have made more stand in America, but I

560
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 7: wanted to pursue a dream of playing professional basketball.

561
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: And so I went over there and I took a chance.

562
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: I betted on me. I bet it on my skill set,

563
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: on my drive and determination. Right, I I chose you

564
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: know me. And so I went over there, and like

565
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: I said, I'm dragging people. I'm giving them numbers. We

566
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: winning games. I'm not just scoring. We're winning because that's

567
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: just I'm not just a score. I want to win

568
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: in everything I do. I want to be the best.

569
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: And so you know, going over there being scoring champion

570
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: when they when other people were picked before me, right,

571
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: and other people had the names they wanted to rese

572
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: it Edwards, they wanted Janice Lawrence, they wanted other you

573
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: know players, and not me. So I had to turn

574
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: the tie, right, I had to turn that spotlight on

575
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 4: to me. And you do that by rolling up your

576
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: sleeves and going to work.

577
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: You always talk about it.

578
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 6: You have mixed emotions about your time overseas, being from

579
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 6: Watts and going to Italy like that culture shop.

580
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so you know I'm a kid from Watts,

581
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: did I mention I was rough around the edges. I

582
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: go to Watts and I get my first coach over there.

583
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I go to uh to Italy and my

584
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: first coach is Antonio Morabito, and all Antonio Moravia wanted

585
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: me to do was shut up now. Cheryl told y'all

586
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: that I talked too much, right she did, She did

587
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: mention that.

588
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Right.

589
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: So I'm over here, I'm trying to learn the language.

590
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: They don't speak any they speak broken English. I don't

591
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: speak any Italian. And every time I tried to explain

592
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: something and he would say shot op, shot shot op,

593
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: and I be like no, But I said, finally, I said,

594
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: you know, shut up is offensive. He said, shot top yo.

595
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: I'm ready to tear his head off his shoulders. I'm

596
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: ready to So finally I just bolt out the gym.

597
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: I actually jogged back to my apartments, like five miles away.

598
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: I just run back. That's how hot. I'm packing my stuff.

599
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: I'm ready to get out of there. The president of

600
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 4: the team comes. He tries to explain. I was like, nah,

601
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: I'm good boom packing myself, remember from Watts, So I

602
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: ain't about to take this anyway, So talk to me

603
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: he talked me down. I go back, we talk it out.

604
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 4: He ends up being one of my favorite coaches in

605
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 4: the world. He challenged me, he helped me to be better.

606
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: And then a year and a half later in the language,

607
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah that's who your father with because a boy can't

608
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: study cha. You asked you to say, I know how

609
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: to get the ball, I know where my money is coming,

610
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 4: I know when it's late. I can tell you when

611
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: it's late. Yo, Come on now, Yeah, I mess around,

612
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: the care from Watts. I mess around and learn your language. Yes,

613
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: I did in a small city called Parma, Reggiano di Parma. Anyway,

614
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: we'll go there another time. So so, yeah, I learned

615
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: a language. And and all the time, I'm never thinking

616
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm not supposed to be doing this because I'm a

617
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: care from Watts. I'm not supposed to be able to

618
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: learn another language. I'm not supposed to be able to

619
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: go to Italy and average thirty nine forty points. I'm

620
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: not I'm not supposed to that. People people are people

621
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: don't believe I can do this. It never dawned on

622
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: me that I wasn't supposed to do that. I just

623
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: knew that that's what I needed to do, and I did.

624
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 6: It from overseas. Can you walk us through how the

625
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 6: w NBA got formed.

626
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had been hearing about two leagues, the

627
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: a BL and the w n B. A well, at

628
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: the time, they didn't I didn't know what would be

629
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: called the w NBA. They just I just knew that

630
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: there was going to be a team or a league

631
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: created by the NBA. Played in the summer, so I

632
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: was like, you know, that's opposite of my season overseas.

633
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: You know, I get to come back to America in

634
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: my mind. So first team, first people I called was

635
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 4: the a BL that were the a b L and

636
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: they I was like, yo, I'm Cynthia Cooper. I love

637
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: to try out for one of your teams.

638
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: You know.

639
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: I played at USC and they were like, we have

640
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: enough guards. And I was like, I mean, okay, it

641
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: looks like I'm going back overseas, right, So I'll go

642
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: back overseas. But now I know that it's they're confirming

643
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: that they're going to start a league. The NBA is

644
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: going to start women's league in the summer. So I

645
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: get it together. I get my stat sheets, get the

646
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 4: stat sheets, I get film vhs at the time, YEP.

647
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: Put it all together and before I send it off,

648
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: I called Renee Brown. Called Renee Brown just to let

649
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: her know that the package was coming. And I called her.

650
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: I said, Yo, Renee, you know, I really would love

651
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: to play in the w n b A. I'm Cynthia Cooper.

652
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: I play in Parma, Italy. I've been over here. And

653
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 4: she's She's like, I said, yeah, you know, I'm really

654
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 4: I have this package. I want to say, She's like,

655
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: in Italy, Parma, she said, I said yeah.

656
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 7: She said, girl, we've been looking for you.

657
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: The top eight. What do we send the contract? I'm like,

658
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 4: but on the phone, I was like, oh, you know,

659
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: you can send the contract.

660
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: That's the crazy story.

661
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: I had these steps, I had everything together to send

662
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: and she was like, oh, you're on that topic. What

663
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: do we send in the country. I was like, I

664
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 4: call my mom. I'm yelling. She said, hold on, what's

665
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: going on? Are you You are right? I'm playing the WNBA. Mom,

666
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: I'm coming home.

667
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: Before we come home and talk about that, speak to

668
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: the grind that oversees grind. I mean, it's a lot

669
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: of practice is talk to what that And it's ten

670
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: to eleven months it's a long season two right.

671
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's like a ten month season. And

672
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: I think the grind is you know, for me, yo,

673
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: there's no grind harder than growing up in Watts. And

674
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: I ran track and I just was like whatever it takes.

675
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: So for me, I was up for it. You know.

676
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: I wasn't the type to go out to party. I'm

677
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: not partying because I'm gonna drag you tomorrow, So you're

678
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: not gonna catch me in the club. You might catch

679
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: me after, but let me give you some numbers first, right.

680
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 4: And so it was tough playing overseas. The biggest part

681
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: was being away from your family and your friends. Right.

682
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: You just all all of a sudden gone for most

683
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: of the year. Right, and then you come back, you

684
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: lose touch with friends and you know, people forget you,

685
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: and so it was tough. It was tough, but I

686
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 4: made tons of friends in Italy. I traveled all over Europe,

687
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: Valencia and then Ference and then I played two years

688
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: on the island of Sicily in Sicilia, in a city

689
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: called Alcamo. So I took full advantage of this kid

690
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: from Watts being over in Europe, right, I didn't just

691
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: sit back and play basketball. I really learned the culture

692
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: and I literally lived as an Italian in Italy and

693
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: that really it was a great time for me, a

694
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: great time in my life.

695
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 6: First four years, you go four for four? Yeah, was

696
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 6: it easy the first couple of years?

697
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: Well, it wasn't easy first of all, because when I

698
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: got back, I didn't know that I would be as

699
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 4: successful as I was. Right, I didn't know that we

700
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: would be that successful because I hadn't played against all

701
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 4: Americans in a long time. Normally there are only two

702
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: foreign players per team over in Italy, So you know,

703
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: I put up numbers there, but who knew that it

704
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 4: was going to translate here? So I just went back

705
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: to work, right, I went to add to my bag

706
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: and get better.

707
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: How old were you first year on the W thirty four?

708
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: I turned thirty five.

709
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: And coach was holding you back when he first came

710
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't lett you lose it.

711
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: He won't let me loose. He wouldn't let me so.

712
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: So I get there and it's show swoops team. But

713
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 4: she pregnant. I had nothing to do with that. Y'all.

714
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: Offense was built around her and everything.

715
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 4: Ething we got next was built around Chryl Swoops, Lisa Leslie,

716
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 4: Rebecca Lobo. They ain't have my name nowhere in there, right,

717
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: But then you give me an opportunity. I remember I

718
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: said same opportunity when I was making twenty thousand dollars

719
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: over overseas. You give me the opportunity, and I'm just

720
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: gonna come in and do what I have to do.

721
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Right.

722
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: And so I'm playing and I'm thinking I can do more.

723
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: I can do more. So I have a meeting with

724
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: Coach Chancellor. Coach Chanceller's like, yo, cool, you already mid

725
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: season MVP. You know what I said, Coach, But I

726
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: can give you more, like I can, I can do more.

727
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: He's a kite man. He let me go. And now

728
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: now I'm going to the rim. I'm making players better,

729
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: We as a team get better, and nobody expected us

730
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: to make it to five hundred without Cheryl, and we

731
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: go win the championship. You know, Nike has signed me

732
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: to like a real uh just a regular deal, just

733
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: right out of you know, first year in a w

734
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: they don't know a very basic deal. And then I go,

735
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: I win MVP, then we win the championship, and then

736
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: I'm MVP at of the playoffs, and they were like, uh,

737
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: can we renegotiated, can we can we sign you for

738
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 4: a little longer? And so they came back to the table.

739
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: So it was just a good time for me. Yeah.

740
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: Expand on that Nike situation being your own shoe.

741
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so taught us about that, no.

742
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: I you know, when you dream of playing professional basketball,

743
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: you dream of championships, you dream of winning the you know,

744
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 4: hitting the winning shot of a game. You even might

745
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 4: dream of being an MVP, but you never dream, or

746
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: at least I didn't of having your own shoe. And

747
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: I was just like, remember you guys, I'm that same

748
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 4: kid from Watts. You know, I'm the kid at USC

749
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: that was looking up at Cheryl Miller, and now Nike

750
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: is going to give me my own signature shoe. I

751
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: was like, I just felt incredibly honored and I was

752
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: blown away by the opportunity that Nike afforded me and

753
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: and a lot of other female athletes. You know, they've

754
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: always been out in the forefront. And I was like, yo,

755
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: once again.

756
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: You know.

757
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 4: I went back to my mom, like, Yo, we get some.

758
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Shoes up in the building.

759
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it was it was a great moment for me.

760
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Will come to mind me see that picture.

761
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, greatness, you know, I'll just say I'll just say greatness.

762
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: You know.

763
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 4: So that that picture was at a Nike event when

764
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: Phil Knight was retiring, and so we were all there

765
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 4: to celebrate Field Night. Really quick story before that picture,

766
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: I was in a pull up to the hotel. Get

767
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: out the car. I see some Italians speaking, you know,

768
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 4: people in front of me. I can understand. We get

769
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 4: there checking into the hotel and they're speaking Italian, bowing

770
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 4: my check in. We get we happen to be in

771
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: the elevator together. So we're going up and I'm looking

772
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: at this guy and I'm like, I know this guy.

773
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: It's Paulo Maldini from Milan Ace. I'm like, yo in Italian,

774
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 4: Yosuki say do say Paulo Mountdini. Do say me though,

775
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 4: he's just looking at me like this black girl in Beaverton,

776
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: Oregon speaking Italian? What his kids are there, his wife

777
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: is there, and they're just all looking at me like

778
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: And then I explained that I played basketball in Parma

779
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 4: and all that, so they were less alarmed, but it

780
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 4: was great. And then that picture, you know, Ray Pond,

781
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: my Nike rep at the time, she was like, y'all

782
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 4: get together, get together. I mean, we didn't know it

783
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: was gonna become iconic. We just all kind of got

784
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 4: together and took the picture and and then look at it.

785
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 4: Look at all that greatness in that picture.

786
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Is that Moses Malone in the back?

787
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 4: Moses Malone? And look when I see when I when

788
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 4: they when they posted that picture, everybody was like, who's

789
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 4: the girl? Like, shoot, besides Michael Jordan, I got more

790
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 4: championships than anybody. That's who the girl is.

791
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: That's right.

792
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 6: Anyh Kobe connections both y'all having any I have to

793
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 6: both have an Italy connection.

794
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Kobe and I every time we saw each

795
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: other just spoke Italian to each other. We speak Italian

796
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: one we get to practice it. And he's just you know, great,

797
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 4: just a great, great person. And just so when I

798
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: when I finally had kids and brought him to the game,

799
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 4: I remember Kobe coming. I was walking in the back

800
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: and he was like he stopped me and he was

801
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: with his daughter, one of his daughters, and he was like, yo,

802
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 4: this Citia Cooper. She Mito, She's a Mito. The girl

803
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: was like, what does mito mean? I think he means legend.

804
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, Kobe and I were close, and I remember

805
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: one time at an All Star game he was he

806
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: was like warming up at half court ball and handling,

807
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 4: and I was like, you know what you're gonna do

808
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: in the time. I was like, yo, because A like mijora.

809
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 4: Oh no, He's like, yeah, I'm better than all of them.

810
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: And we're speaking in time. Don't nobody even know what

811
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 4: we say. He's like, yeah, I'm better than all of them.

812
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: Uh So it was just we've had were at half

813
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 4: court and you know how much media is around during practice,

814
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: so it was.

815
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, mj any relationships.

816
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. So mj uh is my my goat,

817
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: and he was one of the guys that when I

818
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: was when I was being inducted into the Natesmith Memorial

819
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. Hey, you guys, do not judge me,

820
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: but this actually happened. It was natural. So they citia

821
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: Cooper and I get up to walk up on stage

822
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: and Michael Jordan right there. So I just tapped him

823
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 4: on his butt, like, yo, your girl is in the building.

824
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, who Cooper is here? I mentioned I was

825
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 4: rough around the edges.

826
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: That's funny, Hey, yo, Yo, girls in the Hall of Fame.

827
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Yo, that's dope. What does that mean? Though? Again the

828
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: girl from Watts Long, I mean, and.

829
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: You did it, you won championships, historic career overseas in

830
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: in the w But when that when that phone call came.

831
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I was so nervous because you know, I'd

832
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: only played four years in a w right and I

833
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 4: didn't know that I would be a Hall of Famer

834
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: because I didn't know if I had done enough. And

835
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: so when that call came, I was so nervous. I

836
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 4: was like just jumping for joy once again. You dream,

837
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: you know, you can dream of stuff you never quite

838
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: get to. I'm gonna be a Hall of Famer, Like

839
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 4: they're gonna induct me into the Hall of Fame with

840
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan and in my class it was Scottie Pippen,

841
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 4: the Mailman, but doctor Buss was in my class and

842
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: arrest in Peace. It was just it was just an

843
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: extreme honor, and to be honest, I was a little overwhelmed. Right,

844
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 4: I'm still the kid at heart, My spirit is still

845
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: that kid that everybody said, you couldn't do this, you

846
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: can't go there, you can't accomplish this. They never told

847
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: me what I could do and who I could be,

848
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: and so to be a Hall of Famer. It really

849
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: solidifies that, you know, no matter where you come from,

850
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 4: if you're willing to stay the course, if you're willing

851
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: to believe in yourself, put in the work and believe

852
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: that you can do it, like have that perseverance type

853
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 4: of spirit of perseverance. Man, you can, you can. You

854
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: can achieve what you want to.

855
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: That's beautiful graduations.

856
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: What year was that twenty ten? Speak to the relationship

857
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: of the Big Three again? Obviously first four championships in

858
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: the w Cheryl and Tina. What was your guys' dynamic, Like,

859
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: all different backgrounds, all different journeys, landing in one spot

860
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: and you know, making magic happen.

861
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know. I will say two people's

862
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: names real quick that help bring us together. One Kim

863
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: Paratt rest in peace.

864
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: How instrumental was you spoke very You've always spoken very

865
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: highly high instrumental she was.

866
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: She was pivotal. She was our glue, our you know,

867
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: she was the one that ran the show. She was

868
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: the soldier. She was the one that was like, yo, Coop,

869
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: that's don't shoot that. I'm not gonna pack, don't shoot

870
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: the next one.

871
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: Right.

872
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: She was the one that everyone listened to, and she

873
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 4: brought us all. She brought us all together. She came

874
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: out of a tryout, you know, she came out of

875
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: a tryout, and then she sacrificed a lot of her

876
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 4: game for the Big three.

877
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: Right.

878
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: She she scored fifty four points in college. Right, So

879
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: she was a scorer, and she came out and she

880
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: just ran the team and really morphed into whatever we

881
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: needed her to be in order for us to win championships.

882
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, and she was. She would dog the ball

883
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 4: up the court. Look, I think I led the team

884
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 4: in steels or I was second, because she would deflect

885
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: the ball and I was still it because I was

886
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 4: in denied. I was always in denying. I was always

887
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: denying the ball. You know why because I ain't really

888
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: want to play no defense. Yeah, man, because if you

889
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 4: deny the ball and they don't get it the other side.

890
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: But that's what they tell you, though one pass away,

891
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: you should be in denying. How is your help side defense?

892
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: My help side defense was ridiculous. I was in help

893
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: side defense all the time. Time ball got to my side.

894
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: I was denying right now. Remember y'all, I'm denying Kim

895
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 4: tips it and I steal it.

896
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Man.

897
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 4: Come on, now, that's a life, right. You ain't really

898
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: got to do nothing but stay in the passing lane.

899
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 4: Make sure your hands are containing contest. Baby, that's my thing.

900
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: But speak to that.

901
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: That that team though obviously excuse me, the Big Three

902
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: because correct me from wrong. Simultaneously, the Rockets are trying

903
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: to build their Big three with Elijah Won and Barkley

904
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 3: and Drexter at the same time, right, and you guys

905
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: with the team that got it right?

906
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we got to right before we were

907
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: we were different, we were special for a reason. The

908
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: other person I wanted to mention was Van Chancellor. You know,

909
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: he was a good manager of people and helped us

910
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 4: kind of come together. So there were some tense moments.

911
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 4: Why tense moments because you know, Tina was young rookie,

912
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: first first ever drafted in the WNBA, and then Cheryl

913
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: was pregnant and coming in and somebody else and came

914
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 4: in and stole kind of stole her her position the

915
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: way the way I think she saw it right, and

916
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: and now she won it back. So the question is,

917
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 4: can we play together?

918
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: So me.

919
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 4: You know, I've done my homework. I didn't know who

920
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: Cheryl Swoops was when I first got back to the WNBA, Like,

921
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: I didn't know who who she was, but then I

922
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: read up on her. You know, won the national championship,

923
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: scored forty seven points. Cat Quick places defense both sides

924
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 4: of the ball. Like, you know, I did my homework,

925
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: so I know who she is. She comes back and

926
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 4: my mind, we can work together, right because our games

927
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 4: aren't similar. She's more of a you know, shooter, she

928
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 4: plays defense. She's transition me. I'm a slasher. I'm trying

929
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 4: to get to the room every chance I get. And

930
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: when I don't get to the room, I'm trying to

931
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 4: get there anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying.

932
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 8: I'm trying to I'm getting closet there.

933
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Don't let her go right. I

934
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: fake left to go right. I jacks have to go right,

935
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 4: in and out and go back right. Stop me from

936
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 4: going right. That's my thing. Right, I go left to

937
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 4: go right. I hit a three pointer to go right.

938
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to go right. I hit the coach

939
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 4: telling her they're yelling on it. In and out shoulders

940
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 4: going this way, the ball going that way, Baby, I'm

941
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 4: already sho the rim by that time they figured out

942
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,959
Speaker 4: there's a couple of chicks still at the gym looking

943
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: for me right now, right, so you know, you know,

944
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 4: I believe, I believe we could play together. You know,

945
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: Suyl know Cheryl wants to be the MVP. I'm the MVP.

946
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: Right.

947
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: The great thing about us three was I was older,

948
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 4: Tina was young, and Show was right there in the middle.

949
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 4: So I knew what we had to do in order

950
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: to win. And remember, you guys, I'm well versed at

951
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: sacrificing because I did it in college, right, I did

952
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: it when I played USA basketball, So I know how

953
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 4: to play a role. But the role I'm playing right now,

954
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: I'm her. I'm her now. Everybody else, line up, get

955
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 4: in line now. I ain't gonna be here forever because

956
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: I'm older, but right now, this is my role. I've

957
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: earned it, right in my mind, I've earned it, you know,

958
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: and Cheryl's mind she was giving it, and Tina's mine.

959
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get it like I'm gonna be there, right,

960
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: And that's why our dynamic was so great because we

961
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: were all at different phases and it was unique and

962
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: it worked right because we were willing to sacrifice when

963
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 4: we needed to sacrifice to win a championship and not

964
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: make each other, yes, not make each other the enemy,

965
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: but come together and make them the enemy, right. And

966
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 4: I think that was That's a tough thing to do.

967
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: I mean, you explained it very well, but I mean,

968
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: egos are a motherfucker, you know what I mean, you know,

969
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: and that's a hard I think on the men's side

970
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: of particular.

971
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: I can't speak to the women's side. That keeps a

972
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: lot of teams from.

973
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: Getting over that hump that have a ton of talent

974
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: is egos and stuff like that. For you guys to

975
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 3: be able to somehow put it aside for the greater good.

976
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 6: It shows even Kelsey said, like women can be way

977
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 6: more caddier than men.

978
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, trash.

979
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 4: We are terrible sometimes. But I think for us, we,

980
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: like I said, we had the unique combination that I

981
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 4: had already played eleven years of professional basketball. So I'm

982
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 4: in the gym. Yeah, so I'm in a gym. You know,

983
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: we practiced at eleven. I'm there at seven. I'm doing

984
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: my sprints, I'm doing my weights, I'm doing my shots.

985
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 4: You know, I'm there after we finish, you know, I'm there.

986
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: I grabbed the rookies were playing one on one. You know,

987
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 4: I'm working on my game. I'm working on their game.

988
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 4: My game. I'm getting better. And so, you know, for me,

989
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: it was just everybody needs to play their role. Like

990
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 4: when it was my turn to play my role, I

991
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: did that. Now with somebody else's turn to play that

992
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: role for this time, not forever, for this time. And

993
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: I and I think we had that dynamic, which is

994
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 4: why we were successful. And then the other thing is,

995
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: you know, we realized everybody was after us. Right after

996
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 4: the first year there was an influx of the abl

997
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 4: players that that league folded.

998
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: So now that're coming, have enough room for you.

999
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, same league to say, no, they were good, they

1000
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: had enough.

1001
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Going Welcome to my world.

1002
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm just doing shake them.

1003
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1004
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 4: I was giving them numbers. Couldn't wait till they came.

1005
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: Would all due respect what were obviously because it's a

1006
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: huge topic now of what women are making. This is

1007
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: the inaugural first three to four seasons. What kind of

1008
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: money you guys making annually? From the w OH I.

1009
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 4: Think the top players were making. I want to say

1010
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: sixty or seventy, maybe sixty thousand, and then the top

1011
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, those top four players had additional marketing deals.

1012
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: We weren't making a lot of money. But to be

1013
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 4: honest with you, it was it like a summer job, right,

1014
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 4: So it was a summer job. You were making your

1015
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: money overseas. You came back, you're playing in a WNBA.

1016
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: If you were you know, lucky enough, and you won

1017
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 4: a championship or two, you got a marketing deal on

1018
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 4: the side. I had some you know, some bonuses that

1019
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: you received. And to be honest with you, I was

1020
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 4: happy because I'm playing in front of my family, my friends,

1021
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: We're having success. You know, h town is in the building.

1022
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: Is what you wanted ten years ago?

1023
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 4: Yes, it's what I wanted, you know, ten years But

1024
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 4: you know, can you imagine, Lord Jesus.

1025
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: I told them to early.

1026
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 6: I say, if the wild oh well it came ten

1027
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 6: years ago, should have my ten twelve championship.

1028
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: Me and the W at twenty five instead of thirty five.

1029
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: And my first step at thirty five.

1030
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 3: Was still still a problem.

1031
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: Man, a problem. And so but I don't regret it.

1032
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't regret laying the foundation. I don't

1033
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 4: I don't regret, you know, bringing my A game because

1034
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 4: I did that purposefully. You know, it was it was

1035
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: on purpose that I brought my A game because I

1036
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: felt like if I brought my A game, gonna lay

1037
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: a foundation of solid foundation, not just a foundation, a

1038
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 4: solid foundation for the next generation. Right, They didn't know

1039
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 4: I was playing because of that, or playing hard every

1040
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 4: single game because you know, I have to show these

1041
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: fans that women's basketball is legit. Like I remember, I

1042
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: was in New York City. I'm walking down the street

1043
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: getting ready to go to Nike Town. I'm getting ready

1044
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: to go to Nighttown. I'm just walking down street in

1045
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: New York City. Dude hops out of a taxi and goes,

1046
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 4: oh my god, you're sent to you a Cooper. Listen, y'all.

1047
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: I made it. Man, if you get recognized in New

1048
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 4: York City, come on now on the street with a

1049
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 4: random dude hopping out a taxi, you made it. Like

1050
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 4: that's that's life. Come on the kid from Watts right.

1051
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 4: And so it just made my day.

1052
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: Man.

1053
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: I start, we took pictures. I was gonna get them

1054
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: some shoes, Like, dude, I love this. I made it

1055
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 4: in life.

1056
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: I love it.

1057
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: I love it well obviously, I still feel I think

1058
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: a lot of people feeling you weren't celebrated enough and

1059
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: weren't given enough flowers.

1060
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: For what you did.

1061
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: Everything you just said, you paved a solid foundation, help

1062
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: pave a solid foundation for what the game is today.

1063
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: And I think, what this is, your twenty eighth of

1064
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 3: the league. We got to do something to celebrate.

1065
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'm here right, this is a celebration right now.

1066
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: We gotta do something bigger than this to celebrate well.

1067
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 4: I will tell you. I will tell you. You know, I

1068
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 4: love to see the success that the w is having

1069
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 4: right now, like I love it. I mean, that's why

1070
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 4: we did what we did, to make the sacrifices you make,

1071
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: and you know, keep going hard so that you see

1072
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 4: these players have the success they're having now and you

1073
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 4: see the level of talent grow and grow and grow,

1074
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 4: because now you can dream of playing pro ball.

1075
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: Here, you know what I mean?

1076
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 6: And not just for women, like you know, like I

1077
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 6: went through my own little overseas thin growing up, but

1078
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 6: like knowing your story coming out of high school like

1079
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 6: that helped a lot of people, not just women, to

1080
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 6: help men too, just like you can go overseas and

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Speaker 6: still you know what I'm saying, still make it happen.

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Speaker 1: That's that's your that's your journey. It's not the end.

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00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: And don't think your career is over.

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00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 6: That you because you're going overseas and you really got

1085
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 6: the NBA dreams, you still can make it.

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: So your story up to a lot of people.

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00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate that. I really appreciate it. And

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00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 4: you know what it was. It was real. It was

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00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: the real deal. Like I I didn't cut corners. I

1090
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 4: you know, I did what I had to do.

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00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 8: And that's all ball down to what you gotta do,

1092
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 8: make the sacrifices, and then and then state of course,

1093
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 8: you know, be a finisher and what you do, don't

1094
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 8: just limp across the finish line.

1095
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: You know, be a solid finisher so that you can

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00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 4: leave a legacy of hard work and a legacy of winning.

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00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 4: You know, I'm in it to winning. I'm not just

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Speaker 4: a participate participating.

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01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: Quick first thing to come to mind, let us know,

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 3: top five women basketball players ever?

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01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: In your opinion?

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 4: Top five women's basketball players ever? Can I can? If?

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01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely so, I would say myself.

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: So.

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 4: Cynthia Cooper Diana Tarassi, Maya Moore?

1106
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: How mean is that? Three?

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: I will say top five Lisa Leslie. I like Lisa.

1108
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 4: This is of all time Shrumler.

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01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: So you Sharyl, Lisa, Diana.

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 4: And Maya Moore to Yukon two US three U s.

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01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: C was cold. She just didn't play a long time.

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01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 6: She was, she was, she had to shut it down.

1113
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm so nice, Yeah she was.

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: She was a best. Most underrated food spot in l

1115
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: A underrated Papa's Chicken.

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 6: Let me rephrase myself because term when I say l A,

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01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 6: term say comptonent in l A.

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: So do you consider watch l A? Yes, because they

1119
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: say confident. We don't. We don't call Compton l A.

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: That's the term saying.

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Speaker 4: Hey. First of all, I would just tell y'all real quick.

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 4: When I was growing up, Compton was the suburbs.

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, Now they had nice houses, the project, you know,

1124
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 6: nikas and guards and imperial courts.

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01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: Then we moved up to over there by Jordan Down.

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: You know, we had a little apartment where eight kids

1128
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 4: were in too bad anyway, I'm gonna go there.

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01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, so underrated uh food spot in in in

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01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 4: Los Angeles. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. Now,

1132
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna stick with pop.

1133
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Childhood crush.

1134
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: Oh Mark Robbins Robins, Yeah, y'all know Mark. He was

1135
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 4: my first boyfriend ever.

1136
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: Mark Robin I don't know. I don't know.

1137
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 4: Terry Briscoe, Terry Briscoe my you know, you know from

1138
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: Valerie Briscoe, her brother anyway, cause I ran track, you

1139
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: know anyway. Uh, he took me to the prom. I

1140
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 4: had a Jerry Crow then too, both have curls.

1141
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: What could you have a celebrity crush growing up?

1142
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 4: Celebrity crush? No, I didn't. I didn't really have a

1143
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 4: celebrity crush. I didn't really watch TV week.

1144
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1145
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 4: I was hooping or running track or running from people

1146
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 4: or you know. That's how that's how I got my

1147
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 4: change of direction. I got my change. Come on now,

1148
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 4: I'm running, I'm getting right. I don't I used to

1149
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 4: play tag in the junk yard. Come on, now, you

1150
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 4: right around the card. Don't touch me, not tag direction, baby,

1151
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: come on now.

1152
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: One word to describe Caitlin Clark.

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 4: Amazing a beast. She is the truth, and I mean

1154
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 4: she she's the truth. And she was a rookie, right,

1155
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: not not down the three pointer, get to the rim,

1156
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 4: she can get to the free throw line. She she's crafty, yeah,

1157
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 4: very crafty, crafty. So sometimes she's looked like she's coming

1158
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 4: off for a three point shine and she back doors

1159
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 4: you for a layup. She gets her teammates involved, she

1160
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 4: can pass, she can shoot, man, she is a complete

1161
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: basketball player. You know what I want to see. You know,

1162
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 4: so many people talked about Sabrina and Steph you know

1163
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 4: with that three point shooting contest. You know what I

1164
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 4: want to see in the w NBA All Star Game.

1165
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 4: I want to see Sabrina and nesc you shoot against Caitlyn.

1166
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

1167
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 4: I want to see that three facts.

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: Hopefully it'll be there with it's in Indiana this year, right, yep,

1169
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: again that the NBA was there.

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01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, one album and repeat.

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01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: Oh Luther anything, Luther.

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01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: Big Luther, definitely, definitely yeah Luther. And my second choice

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01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: would be Yolanda Adams. You know, you know, I'll be

1174
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 4: so many people think, you know, I got this music,

1175
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 4: hip hop music blasting in my headphones before a game,

1176
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 4: and really, you know, I'm between Luther, Whitney and and

1177
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 4: Yolanda because shoot, I'm already hyped for the game. I

1178
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 4: don't need to get.

1179
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: More already ready.

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01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So yep.

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01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: Rate these three names, m J, Kobe Bro.

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 4: MJ is one. I'm gonna have to go with my

1183
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 4: boy Kobe as two that's how I do it too,

1184
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 4: and Lebron three.

1185
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: But Lebron is a beast.

1186
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: The longevity the game, the pressure he's been under to

1187
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 4: perform every single year, and he shows up and shows

1188
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 4: out every time. Yeah. But when you talk about mentality, though,

1189
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 4: you gotta talk about cob When you talk about just

1190
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 4: the mentality, just the assassin type of mentality, you gotta

1191
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: you gotta mention Kobe's name every single time, like how

1192
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: he confronted a game, how he confronted practice workouts, and

1193
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 4: you know, I'm with him. People want to know how

1194
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: you become a Hall of Famer when you start playing

1195
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 4: basketball at fifteen, is that you put into work right.

1196
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 4: You put in the work when nobody else was looking.

1197
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 4: You put in the work right. And Kobe talks about

1198
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 4: his work ethic all the time, And damn, m J,

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01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 4: he was way before his time. He just he just

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 4: just nobody can stop him. Like what whatever era he

1201
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: played in, he would have been m J.

1202
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: Him.

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Speaker 6: If you could see one guest on our show, who

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01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 6: would it be? But you have to help us get

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 6: your answer on our show.

1206
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: Wow, set up.

1207
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: It is a setup. If I could see anybody, I

1208
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 4: would love for you guys to have juju.

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01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: Yes, great call.

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 6: Program, big fan, Cynthia, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Do we have We don't have our bag. Where's our bag? Okay,

1212
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 3: it's upstairs. Okay, well so yeah, we got gear for you.

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01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: Everybody else normally get bags. This is.

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01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 4: No just kidding. Thanks for having me.

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 6: Now, Thanks for coming even though we got a whole

1216
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 6: standoff right next door going on. If we want to

1217
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 6: apologize to that, we didn't think it would go down

1218
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 6: and yeah, goddamn this is he I guess so.

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: But thank you. We appreciate you very much. Continued success. Again,

1220
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 3: we need to tell your story more on a deeper level.

1221
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 3: Let's work on that.

1222
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 4: Let's work on it.

1223
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: Pleasure.

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 6: You know a lot about a story, and I'm honored,

1225
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 6: big fan, coming from Texas, so to have you on

1226
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 6: the show, it's definitely.

1227
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: Honor for me. Thank you.

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01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

1229
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: Cynthia Cooper, all the smoke you can catch your son

1230
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: all the Smoke Productions YouTube, and the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week. M