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Speaker 2: though not obligatory Nick Wright one hour sit down, which
Speaker 2: we do try to do, you know, three out of
Speaker 2: four weeks. Okay, so I want to throw this set.
Speaker 2: I thought about this. So there is a weird thing,
Speaker 2: and I've seen it in a lot of fields. But
Speaker 2: since we're sportscasters, we'll talk about this. And I saw
Speaker 2: it with Sean Payton that Sean came to Fox and
Speaker 2: was really good. And I kept saying and Shawn and
Speaker 2: I would talk about, you know, his deal with Fox
Speaker 2: and the money, and he we went to dinner once
Speaker 2: or twice and it was really open. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: what do you think I'm worth? And I'm like, listen
Speaker 2: to Sean, You're really good at this, and I think
Speaker 2: you should stay at Fox. And I said, you know,
Speaker 2: if a perfect job comes open, go, but I said,
Speaker 2: here's what you're worth. You know, Fox has never low
Speaker 2: balled people. Fox tends to pay very reasonable money. You're
Speaker 2: not It's not I mean I worked at Disney, where
Speaker 2: you argued over a number two pencil. Fox has always
Speaker 2: been I think, more reasonable negotiations. Mine would have been
Speaker 2: quick and fast, and you don't get everything you want,
Speaker 2: but it's you know, they're not They're not going to
Speaker 2: hold you over a barrel on stuff. Right, it's a company,
Speaker 2: it's a corporation, and you know they want to win.
Speaker 2: But and so when he took and then I knew
Speaker 2: he was going to take a job when I started
Speaker 2: texting him and he wouldn't return them, and I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's now in a space he can't talk to me.
Speaker 2: He's got to protect the new owner. And and so
Speaker 2: then a couple days later he took the Denver Broncos job,
Speaker 2: and uh, and I remember thinking, because we had talked
Speaker 2: about it, I didn't love that for him, Not that
Speaker 2: I think I thought he would get the best out
Speaker 2: of Russell. But Russell's money mahomes twice a year. Herbert,
Speaker 2: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Jumping into an adverse situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of lifts here, And it's funny
Speaker 2: I think this about Mike Rabel. So Rabel's name hasn't
Speaker 2: come up a lot, but I was writing this down today.
Speaker 2: My argument is, Vrabel, there's one great job, because there's
Speaker 2: one really excellent quarterback who needs a coach. Chargers, Herbert,
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw these out to you, and I
Speaker 2: feel bad mentioning the names because these are employed people.
Speaker 2: So I'll just mention the quarterback. It is possible, perhaps
Speaker 2: not probable, but in some cases very possible, either an
Speaker 2: impulsive owner or a very hot seat situation that next year,
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, Caleb Williams, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, much lower level Josh Allen will need a
Speaker 2: new coach. I do not remember a year this year
Speaker 2: there's one. There's seven coaches that need to win either
Speaker 2: division multiple playoff games. And I thought to myself, Mike,
Speaker 2: next year, you know how usually you don't have many
Speaker 2: great candidates. This year we have like Harball. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a good year for candidates. Next year is potentially a
Speaker 2: remarkable year for openings. And your take on that, like,
Speaker 2: I think that's smart. I think I think McDermott would
Speaker 2: be on the very low I think they like Sean,
Speaker 2: but I do think you can only lose so many
Speaker 2: playoff games to the same team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think mcdermot's on the low end.
Speaker 1: I mean they they this isn't Nick trolling the Bills.
Speaker 1: They put a giant banner of the Lombardi Trophy in
Speaker 1: their practice facility and they started six and six and
Speaker 1: then for the second straight year they So for the
Speaker 1: the reason mcdermot's not, you know, the reason he starts
Speaker 1: the year on the hot seat is four years in
Speaker 1: a row they have gone into a playoff game either
Speaker 1: against Patrick mahomes On or Joe Burrow on a five
Speaker 1: to six or seven game winning streak. The last two
Speaker 1: have been in their building and they've lost. So next
Speaker 1: year they lose in the playoffs to mahomes Burrow or
Speaker 1: now add Lamar to it. You can't just keep you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that absolutely, I think he is. I think he starts
Speaker 1: the year on the hot seat. It's also why I
Speaker 1: think Sirianni is going to be in a rough spot.
Speaker 1: What happened with Sirianni from last year to this year,
Speaker 1: among other things. The coordinators left right, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I know they're you know, there was reports today they're
Speaker 1: interviewing around Rivera. I would think the best coordinators might
Speaker 1: be apprehensive to go to Philly this offseason because it's
Speaker 1: like we might we start the year on the hot seat.
Speaker 1: So the I think it's a really unique point that
Speaker 1: if you are a guy who there are certain guys
Speaker 1: who if they don't strike while the iron's hot. They're
Speaker 1: not going to be a head coach right or they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to take a step back. Rabel's not one
Speaker 1: of them. I think Belichick could find a far better
Speaker 1: job next year than Atlanta. I think Belichick's problem is
Speaker 1: shouldn't say problem. He is like, I'm so much older,
Speaker 1: I don't want to city. You're out. It's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, especially if my goal is to catch
Speaker 1: Shula before I'm seventy seven, like I'm trying to coach now.
Speaker 1: So I think that is a really unique point. It's
Speaker 1: also why I thought, and it doesn't look like it now,
Speaker 1: I thought Hardoald was going to go back to Michigan,
Speaker 1: go back, go back to Michigan, defend your national title,
Speaker 1: and then be it not just be at the mercy
Speaker 1: of the Chargers with the quarterback like you're saying, next year,
Speaker 1: three or four or five quarterbacks, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: could need a head coach. So I think I think
Speaker 1: that is a really smart point. It's also why if
Speaker 1: I were Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson kind of has to
Speaker 1: take a head coaching job right now because you're not
Speaker 1: guaranteed that next year you're gonna be the hot coordinator.
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys go from oh, he's gonna get a head
Speaker 1: coaching job to fire During the year, things go sideways.
Speaker 1: But for hardball Vrabel and in a different way Belichick,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that they should rush into
Speaker 1: it because you're right when you look at the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and the teams incredibly available. It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Let me throw another one at you. So I have
Speaker 2: made this argument before. So much of life is timing.
Speaker 2: So had the CTE scandal hapened a decade earlier, today
Speaker 2: Andy Reid would be considered the greatest coach of all
Speaker 2: time and not Belichick. So once the NFL wrote a
Speaker 2: billion dollar check, it was at that moment that the
Speaker 2: league made some really clear distinctions on the kind of
Speaker 2: football they were going to allow. And it was much safer,
Speaker 2: much less hitting in practice. I mean, it's the knock
Speaker 2: now is that now starters don't play in the preseason.
Speaker 2: It is the safest the sport has ever been. There
Speaker 2: are helmet developments happening despite what happened in the freezing,
Speaker 2: whether mahomes the helmets will be elevated over time. Practice schedules,
Speaker 2: the offensive linemen just don't hit enough. Arguably that's why
Speaker 2: there's been an erosion a regressional line had that happened
Speaker 2: ten years earlier. That Andy Reid essentially had to work
Speaker 2: against the system. The system worked against Andy, and it
Speaker 2: worked in favor of Belichick and defensive coaches. Is that
Speaker 2: you could grab Andy's receivers, receivers. You remember this barely.
Speaker 2: I lived through it, alligator arms receivers.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be able to remember that about.
Speaker 2: My entire life until twelve years ago. And that if
Speaker 2: football that is allowed to be played now defensively, which
Speaker 2: completely nobody can stop anybody. At the end of the year,
Speaker 2: the Niners defense, Chiefs flew through it. Last year, Eagles
Speaker 2: flew through it. Nobody can stop anybody. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Ravens went through the Niners defense like a hot knife
Speaker 2: through butter. You can't stop anybody anymore. You can only
Speaker 2: hope that you can create pass rushes consistently and be
Speaker 2: good situationally because people are going to score on you.
Speaker 2: So to my point is Andy was hurt by the
Speaker 2: timing of the industry. So I do hope Andy stays
Speaker 2: for another eight years, but he's not going to. He
Speaker 2: had a health scare. So here's another one. Andy and
Speaker 2: the Chiefs won a Super Bowl in a year in
Speaker 2: which they were doubted throughout by everybody but you or
Speaker 2: Chiefs fans. That Andy says, I've had health issues. This
Speaker 2: has been rough sometimes on my family. Mahomes is not
Speaker 2: going to get cheaper. So I'll do it for Spags.
Speaker 2: I'll do it for Naggie, and that Andy retires if
Speaker 2: they win the Super Bowl. And this was floated by
Speaker 2: Jmac today on Vrabel because Rabel has a relationship with
Speaker 2: Andy and the Chiefs and that I guess did he
Speaker 2: play for them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in the Matt Castle trade when Verrabel.
Speaker 1: He was sent over when they traded for Castle.
Speaker 2: So just a thought. Because the Chiefs historically have spent
Speaker 2: money on coaches, they don't they don't go low budget.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I So Florio keeps floating the
Speaker 1: idea that Andy might retire, but Andy, when asked about it,
Speaker 1: keep saying absolutely not. The fact that Andy dealt with
Speaker 1: a true tragedy when he was in Philadelphia with one
Speaker 1: of his sons at the facility, didn't take a year off,
Speaker 1: went right from Philly to Kansas City. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago for the Super Bowl, different type of tragedy.
Speaker 1: But another one of his sons kept going, I don't
Speaker 1: I think that Andy Reid. I would have to imagine,
Speaker 1: while this year has been, like you said, challenging, working
Speaker 1: with Mahomes has to be the most fun part of
Speaker 1: his entire career up to this point. And if they
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, I would think the whole team
Speaker 1: would say, guys, wait a minute, for everyone, forget the counting,
Speaker 1: the rings, forget everything. If we win it next year,
Speaker 1: all of us are now being talked about in a
Speaker 1: different way. I understand Belichick's got six. If Andy wins
Speaker 1: three in a row when no one in the history
Speaker 1: of football's done it. If Patrick wins three in a row,
Speaker 1: and that would so I think that And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to right now be like because they haven't won
Speaker 1: two in a row yet, but under the premise of
Speaker 1: if they win these next two games, the stakes for
Speaker 1: all these guys on, hold on a second, we can
Speaker 1: be the greatest team ever and have real legacy stakes
Speaker 1: attached to who we are and what we are. So
Speaker 1: I don't listen. Maybe they would walk away, or maybe
Speaker 1: he would walk away, but he seems to love it.
Speaker 1: He seems to really love it, so I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I do find it. I thought Vrabel was maybe waiting
Speaker 1: to see if I'm shocked. Philly, Dallas, Buffalo, none of
Speaker 1: them open like it is. I'll have to check if
Speaker 1: I'm right on this. I think it's rare that not
Speaker 1: a single playoff team fires their coach. I think recently.
Speaker 1: I think most years there's been at least one playoff
Speaker 1: team that's like, that's not good enough. So I think
Speaker 1: some of these guys were waiting for a great job
Speaker 1: to open. I am shocked that Dallas. Neither Dallas nor
Speaker 1: Philly fired their coach. And I'm at least a little
Speaker 1: surprised that Buffalo didn't, given who's available at coach. But
Speaker 1: that is that is interesting, and that does become if
Speaker 1: any if I guess, I would say this if the coach,
Speaker 1: because I think maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh has a connection to Kansas. I'd have to look
Speaker 1: it up. I just remember maybe his wife. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I just remember when I was doing radio in Kansas
Speaker 1: City and the Kansas football job came open, people thought
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh might take it. And it was because there
Speaker 1: was some connection there. But the reason I'm saying any
Speaker 1: of this is, I think if any of the candidates
Speaker 1: thought there was even a ten percent chance that coaching
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes could be available in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I think everyone would be pausing what they're doing and saying,
Speaker 1: hold on, let's see if that one is available to me.
Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about this just as you
Speaker 2: were talking about Andy Reid, because I really do think
Speaker 2: Andy has an argument as in that Bill walshvein is.
Speaker 2: I think he really is one of the three or
Speaker 2: four seminal great coaches in my lifetime. He's aged so
Speaker 2: gracefully in terms of his intellect, and he takes it's
Speaker 2: almost a joyful experience. He'll text me in the off
Speaker 2: season plays He'll go, He'll send me he's a video.
Speaker 2: He goes, I'm running this. I'm not telling you when,
Speaker 2: but I'm running it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like a kid.
Speaker 2: So nobody's ever of all the thirty for thirties that
Speaker 2: haven't been made, the one I think I've told you
Speaker 2: this before that's never been made that I would love
Speaker 2: to see it. Michael Jordan the Wizard Years, what a disaster.
Speaker 2: It was, the players hated him. Nobody's ever made it.
Speaker 2: People forget what a mess it was. But I imagine
Speaker 2: Jordan has the ability to stop it or talk about it,
Speaker 2: and others won't bad mouth them. But those years disappear
Speaker 2: into the ether. Orem was a band that I loved,
Speaker 2: and then they went off the rails in my opinion,
Speaker 2: and started sounding different, and I never listened to him again.
Speaker 2: But I still love RM. I don't hold it against him.
Speaker 2: The greatest actors have been in terrible movies. Marlon Brando
Speaker 2: was in you know, six or seven classics and six
Speaker 2: or seven awful movies. It's never held against him. Yet
Speaker 2: with Belichick, I cannot unsee the last four years in
Speaker 2: New England. He is completely tone deaf. He can't draft
Speaker 2: he it's as if he has no understanding of offense.
Speaker 2: He can't draft it, he can't develop it, he can't
Speaker 2: hire it, and it really it's making. I can't get
Speaker 2: rid of it. I can get rid of Jordan bad movies.
Speaker 2: I don't punish actors, directors, stars. I can't unsee what
Speaker 2: I've seen from Belichick in four years, so that I
Speaker 2: can't keep him in the Walsh Vein and I'm and
Speaker 2: if Andy reels off a couple more.
Speaker 1: So, that is that something you said? You said this
Speaker 1: for the first time before the Chiefs won last year.
Speaker 1: I remembered it was before it was It was when
Speaker 1: it looked like they really could but they hadn't yet won.
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe the week leading up to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but you started to I think kind
Speaker 1: of soft launch the idea of could Andy Reid become
Speaker 1: the greatest coach of all time? And when you first
Speaker 1: said it, I think everyone's immediate reaction is that's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: like no, But what I don't think people recognize it,
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna pull it up real quick. NFL
Speaker 1: Head Coaches Wins Wiki. I don't think people understand where
Speaker 1: he is right now on the wins list because it
Speaker 1: is way higher than you think. So on he has
Speaker 1: regular season and postseason combined, so he's twenty four plus
Speaker 1: two point fifty eight, so he is at two eighty
Speaker 1: two total wins. He is fourth all time on that list.
Speaker 1: All right. He is probably not gonna catch Bill, but
Speaker 1: he is close. He has got a real chance of
Speaker 1: finishing third all time and passing George Hollis right on
Speaker 1: just playoff wins. He could absolutely catch Bill. Bill's it
Speaker 1: thirty one, Andy is at twenty four.
Speaker 2: Isn't that incredible?
Speaker 1: That's it? It doesn't it's it's incredible. And so it's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Then the other thing, because I had
Speaker 1: this graphic for first things. First, we never used it,
Speaker 1: but it was Pete Carroll, who's obviously in a different class.
Speaker 1: But Pete Carroll's record with Russell Wilson without Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: and it's like, really really really, pardon me, really really good,
Speaker 1: not good at all, Belichick with Brady without Brady, unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and then below five hundred Andy with Mahomes without Mahomes
Speaker 1: and it's unbelievable. And then it's really damn good. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it is, And yep, Donovan McNabb was good, not great,
Speaker 1: He was good. Mike Vick post prison, what I love.
Speaker 1: Michael was good, not He had one great year. But
Speaker 1: how much of that was because of Andy? Was that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Andy put his arms around him.
Speaker 1: Andy helped well.
Speaker 2: Michael Vick acknowledges it was because of him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Alex Smith the only section of his career that
Speaker 1: was highly successful was with Andy. So it's not that
Speaker 1: he had nobody's at quarterback. I'm not saying that. But
Speaker 1: he was able to win divisions, win playoff games, go
Speaker 1: to conference championships, and go to a super Bowl without
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback. Did all of that, and
Speaker 1: then the moment he got the Hall of Fame quarterback instantly,
Speaker 1: it was the most prolific offense in the history of
Speaker 1: the league that first year. Yes, and so there is
Speaker 1: something to be set and his dexterity.
Speaker 2: It's like the reason we look at Prince as one
Speaker 2: of the great musicians. His ability to i mean like
Speaker 2: classically play multiple instruments. That's why he separates from other,
Speaker 2: even great performers. His dexterity, Andy's ability conference division quarterback
Speaker 2: to win everywhere. There is no way to separate Belichick's
Speaker 2: career other than Brady years non Brady years, and those
Speaker 2: are increasingly not just mediocre, they're getting to be embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Well out of touch, right and so and the other
Speaker 1: part of it that is just the truth of it,
Speaker 1: and every some people don't like when if someone makes
Speaker 1: this point or I make this point, but the opposite
Speaker 1: of it, like sometimes the best way to understand if
Speaker 1: an argument is a legitimate one is imagine if the
Speaker 1: exact opposite happened, what your feelings would be, Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1: If Tom Brady went to Tampa and they were three
Speaker 1: and thirteen and the next year four and twelve, and
Speaker 1: then he retired, would that be a plus or a minus?
Speaker 1: For Bill's resume that it would obviously be a plus.
Speaker 1: Now it would be a little different because he was older.
Speaker 1: He'd be like, ah, he got old, but it would
Speaker 1: be a plus. He'd be like, hey, Tom left there.
Speaker 1: They had two years prior won the super Bowl. The
Speaker 1: previous year they had won eleven twelve games and been
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and then immediately fell you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, fell apart. Instead, he left and immediately won
Speaker 1: the super Bowl and the next year almost won League
Speaker 1: MVP and was in round two of the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in a close in a tie game with a minute left,
Speaker 1: so or in round two of the playoffs. I should say.
Speaker 1: So that obviously hurts Bill a bit. Maybe it's not fair,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. That Tom was able
Speaker 1: to leave and have the highest success one can have
Speaker 1: individually and team wise, won a super Bowl, came in
Speaker 1: second in MVP voting. When Tom left Bill's team, it
Speaker 1: went for mediocre to downright offal in a very short
Speaker 1: period of time, and so that had That's a part
Speaker 1: which is why I thought it was that it was
Speaker 1: going to be so important for Bill to go coach
Speaker 1: the Cowboys or the Eagles or the Bills where he
Speaker 1: can then even the score to would agree because it
Speaker 1: would then help Bill immensely. If the Cowboys haven't been
Speaker 1: able to get over the hump for thirty years, he
Speaker 1: gets there and they do, then it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That was him. He just
Speaker 1: had problems drafting players the last few years. And so
Speaker 1: it is it is a at least an interesting idea. And
Speaker 1: here's the other thing that I would say, And this
Speaker 1: is why I think the count the rings stuff across sports.
Speaker 1: This is not a Lebron argument, but it touches. It
Speaker 1: can be so foolish. Yes, yes, the count the rings
Speaker 1: thing demands that we simply say, both Brady and Belichick
Speaker 1: are the greatest of all time, but those rings are
Speaker 1: so you understand what I mean, Like they both have
Speaker 1: Brady now a seven. But let's just say Brady retired, right,
Speaker 1: when the Patriots era ended, that he retired, and the
Speaker 1: count the rings thing demands that Phil and Michael and
Speaker 1: that these things, but that then it almost creates an
Speaker 1: extra ring. If I know, I'm not describing this properly,
Speaker 1: but the Brady and Belichick's rings are intertwined, yet they
Speaker 1: both get one credit when compared to other quarterbacks or
Speaker 1: other coaches. There's no shared credit, and so if we're
Speaker 1: just doing count the rings, then it has to be
Speaker 1: the you know what I mean, they're both the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time when I don't really feel that way,
Speaker 1: and I don't know which. You can make an argument
Speaker 1: for who gets more credit if it's Bill Early, Brady Late,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But is it more accurate to say
Speaker 1: that like Brady and Belichick between them have no nine rings,
Speaker 1: that each coaching ring counts for a half, each player
Speaker 1: rink counts for one, and the real split is like
Speaker 1: well five four or six three, Like it's weird, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They're both the greatest of all
Speaker 1: time when right, I don't really feel that way, and
Speaker 1: I don't know which. You can make an argument for
Speaker 1: who gets more credit if it's Bill Early, Brady Late,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, But is it more accurate to say
Speaker 1: that like Brady and Belichick between them have nine rings,
Speaker 1: that each coaching ring counts for a half, each player
Speaker 1: RNK counts for one, and the real split is like,
Speaker 1: well five four or six three, Like it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's just about this. What if in thirty years, forty years,
Speaker 2: we view Brady as Bill Russell, So we don't even
Speaker 2: argue that Russell is Michael Jordan Kareem. We don't think
Speaker 2: he's nearly as good as modern players shack, but he's
Speaker 2: the most productive and in his era he was a big,
Speaker 2: big man playing against often just smaller men, and the
Speaker 2: competition was very, very small. But he was part of
Speaker 2: the greatest red Arbak, the biggest brand, the best roster.
Speaker 2: So in thirty to forty years, as quarterbacks now run
Speaker 2: like Lamar and throw like Mahomes and are built like
Speaker 2: Josh Allen jumping over people, in thirty to forty years,
Speaker 2: when we see the next two other Mahomes, that we
Speaker 2: will look at Brady and just say, well, Craft Belichick,
Speaker 2: the culture, the bad division, he's the most productive player
Speaker 2: and that so I'm I don't need thirty years. I'm
Speaker 2: listen you don't. But I'm saying if my home stacks
Speaker 2: three but doesn't get to get to them.
Speaker 1: So that's my point exactly right, Like I already believe
Speaker 1: that Patrick Mahomes plays the position better than anyone's played.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the accolades to be able to call
Speaker 1: him the greatest everges, but he doesn't need seven in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Like that, I think that there is there
Speaker 1: is a level of let's be let's be serious about
Speaker 1: what we're seeing and with respect that what Brady did
Speaker 1: for twenty five years, damn near is truly unbelievable, but
Speaker 1: also recognize. So this is something I did today that
Speaker 1: I think is instructive, and it's why the Chiefs this
Speaker 1: year are so interesting because theoretically they could win a
Speaker 1: playoff game this year that Mahomes plays poorly. It hasn't happened,
Speaker 1: but they have a good enough defense that they theoretically
Speaker 1: could sustain. I don't think they can next week. But
Speaker 1: against Miami, for instance, if Mahome had played a terrible game,
Speaker 1: they could have won that game ten to seven because
Speaker 1: Miami wasn't doing anything. So I to me, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you agree the quarterback mount Rushmore of the
Speaker 1: you know Super Bowl era, not counting unitas and stuff,
Speaker 1: is Manning, Montana, Brady, and Mahomes. I think those are
Speaker 1: the four best quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Manning, Montana, Brady, and Mahomes. A lot of people want
Speaker 2: Lway close. He's he's looking up at the mountain. He's
Speaker 2: he's scaling it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Elway and Marino are the next two.
Speaker 1: But to me, those are the four. Those are the
Speaker 1: four best quarterbacks that I've seen. And their residence.
Speaker 2: Brady, Montana, Manning, Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Yes, those So here's what is so interesting about the
Speaker 1: three non Mahomes. They all for their first and for
Speaker 1: Brady and Montana their second, no for both of them,
Speaker 1: for all three of them for their first and second
Speaker 1: rings in the playoffs. The year they won the Ring
Speaker 1: had at least one and for two of them multiple
Speaker 1: down right awful playoff games, and they won. They were
Speaker 1: able to win despite it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Brady didn't have an awesome playoff game until his second
Speaker 1: Super Bowl victory. Peyton, who is as great of a
Speaker 1: football players I've ever seen. The year they won the
Speaker 1: Ring in the playoffs, he had three touchdowns, seven picks,
Speaker 1: never had a ninety passer rated Montana in the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game for Ring number two had I think two picks,
Speaker 1: zero touchdowns, a sixty rating, but his team shut out
Speaker 1: the Bears like they allowed zero points. Mahomes has never
Speaker 1: won a single pay like, he's never been able to
Speaker 1: be bad in the playoffs and they win. Now he's
Speaker 1: only ever been numbers are insane and insane without us.
Speaker 1: The only bad game is the Super Bowl against Tampa,
Speaker 1: which if you watched it, you know he wasn't the problem,
Speaker 1: but say he was, he was, Say he was bad
Speaker 1: that game, they get blown out. And so the fact
Speaker 1: that all the other guys, yeah, while they were stacking
Speaker 1: those first rings, were able to have oh I don't
Speaker 1: have it tonight, bail me out is a very unique thing,
Speaker 1: or not a unique thing. That's the most stint thing.
Speaker 1: Like this interesting thing about Peyton Manning is both of
Speaker 1: his playoff runs that ended in a Super Bowl, he
Speaker 1: was bad the entirety of both postseasons. Now, his best
Speaker 1: playoff runs they just didn't win it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they had He had way better years. But
Speaker 1: the years he actually won the ring, the six goalt
Speaker 1: he had three touchdown, seven picks for the playoffs that
Speaker 1: was at his peak, and they won the championships, so
Speaker 1: nobody cares.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little bit. I think people sometimes
Speaker 2: forget he was a little bit. As Bill Ponian called him,
Speaker 2: a teeth clencher. He could get a little worked up. Yes,
Speaker 2: he could get some anxiety, which Mahomes has none of it,
Speaker 2: which I asked Mitchell Schwartz about on FS one today.
Speaker 2: I said, did you see it early that Mahomes almost
Speaker 2: plays backyard football in the biggest games. It's almost like
Speaker 2: a race car driver whose heart beat doesn't go up
Speaker 2: in a corner usually, you know, if you go up
Speaker 2: against the wall, it's more dangerous, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: these race car drivers, like it'd be like your heart
Speaker 2: your rate not changing at all during a crash.
Speaker 1: That's literal. So I don't know if we've talked to
Speaker 1: this before or not, but during the famous thirteen seconds
Speaker 1: game against the Bills two years ago, Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: one of those whoop things or something that monitors his
Speaker 1: heart rate. Maybe we've talked about this. His heart rate
Speaker 1: only went up when Buffalo had the ball, So when
Speaker 1: he got the ball, he was calm, but when it
Speaker 1: was out of his control. He got anxious. When he's
Speaker 1: like on the sideline and I get it back, that's
Speaker 1: when his heart rate spiked. As soon as it was okay,
Speaker 1: it's on me again, he calmed, Yeah, yeah, Peyton was Peyton.
Speaker 1: That's the The only reason Peyton Manning is not the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback ever is like when I look at athletes
Speaker 1: basketball and football. Baseball's a little different, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: the greatest of the great are awesome in the regular
Speaker 1: season and somehow get a touch better in the postseason.
Speaker 1: That's Michael lebron Shack. Yeah, and that's damn near the list. Like,
Speaker 1: if you actually look at the numbers, a team is
Speaker 1: not many. Isaiah was the great. Are able to maintain Yokis,
Speaker 1: by the way, gets pending. Are able to maintain the
Speaker 1: same level.
Speaker 2: That's what coloric Jeter's classic. I mean, he hit this,
Speaker 2: it's it's the same player.
Speaker 1: It's the same player, Kobe. If you look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: he's the you know what I mean, he doesn't get worse,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid. But there's a lot the and then well,
Speaker 1: Peyton was the third category get a little worse, just
Speaker 1: a little worse by the way, and people get mad
Speaker 1: at me, but just look up the numbers. It's also
Speaker 1: true for Steph step just a touch work, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, just a touch. Yeah, And so that
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the all time legends, that is
Speaker 1: an important factor. If Peyton could have just he didn't
Speaker 1: have to get better. Brady got better, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, as he got older. At least Mahomes gets better,
Speaker 1: which is mind boggling. If Peyton could have just maintained right,
Speaker 1: he'd be unimpeachable. And listen, I still think he's I
Speaker 1: still I think it's Brady Mahomes, Peyton, Montana in that order.
Speaker 1: I think it's one through four. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of Montana people get bad the volume