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Speaker 2: four weeks. Okay, so I want to throw this set.

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Speaker 2: I thought about this. So there is a weird thing,

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Speaker 2: and I've seen it in a lot of fields. But

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Speaker 2: it with Sean Payton that Sean came to Fox and

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Speaker 2: I would talk about, you know, his deal with Fox

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Speaker 2: not It's not I mean I worked at Disney, where

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Speaker 2: been I think, more reasonable negotiations. Mine would have been

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Speaker 2: but it's you know, they're not They're not going to

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Speaker 2: it's a corporation, and you know they want to win.

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Speaker 2: But and so when he took and then I knew

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Speaker 2: texting him and he wouldn't return them, and I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: He's got to protect the new owner. And and so

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Speaker 2: then a couple days later he took the Denver Broncos job,

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Speaker 2: and uh, and I remember thinking, because we had talked

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Speaker 2: I think I thought he would get the best out

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Speaker 1: Jumping into an adverse situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of lifts here, And it's funny

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Speaker 2: I think this about Mike Rabel. So Rabel's name hasn't

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Speaker 2: come up a lot, but I was writing this down today.

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Speaker 2: My argument is, Vrabel, there's one great job, because there's

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Speaker 2: one really excellent quarterback who needs a coach. Chargers, Herbert,

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Speaker 2: So I'll just mention the quarterback. It is possible, perhaps

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Speaker 2: not probable, but in some cases very possible, either an

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Speaker 2: Derek Carr, Caleb Williams, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 2: great candidates. This year we have like Harball. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think mcdermot's on the low end.

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Speaker 1: I mean they they this isn't Nick trolling the Bills.

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Speaker 1: now add Lamar to it. You can't just keep you

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Speaker 1: What happened with Sirianni from last year to this year,

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Speaker 1: be apprehensive to go to Philly this offseason because it's

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Speaker 1: like we might we start the year on the hot seat.

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Speaker 1: So the I think it's a really unique point that

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Speaker 1: gonna have to take a step back. Rabel's not one

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Speaker 1: of them. I think Belichick could find a far better

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say problem. He is like, I'm so much older,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to city. You're out. It's you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, especially if my goal is to catch

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Speaker 1: So I think that is a really unique point. It's

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Speaker 1: also why I thought, and it doesn't look like it now,

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Speaker 1: could need a head coach. So I think I think

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Speaker 1: that is a really smart point. It's also why if

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Speaker 1: Sometimes guys go from oh, he's gonna get a head

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that they should rush into

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Speaker 2: Let me throw another one at you. So I have

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Speaker 2: made this argument before. So much of life is timing.

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Speaker 2: So had the CTE scandal hapened a decade earlier, today

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid would be considered the greatest coach of all

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Speaker 2: time and not Belichick. So once the NFL wrote a

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Speaker 2: billion dollar check, it was at that moment that the

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Speaker 2: football they were going to allow. And it was much safer,

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Speaker 2: much less hitting in practice. I mean, it's the knock

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Speaker 2: It is the safest the sport has ever been. There

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Speaker 2: are helmet developments happening despite what happened in the freezing,

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Speaker 2: whether mahomes the helmets will be elevated over time. Practice schedules,

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Speaker 2: the offensive linemen just don't hit enough. Arguably that's why

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Speaker 2: there's been an erosion a regressional line had that happened

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Speaker 2: ten years earlier. That Andy Reid essentially had to work

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Speaker 2: worked in favor of Belichick and defensive coaches. Is that

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Speaker 2: you could grab Andy's receivers, receivers. You remember this barely.

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Speaker 2: I lived through it, alligator arms receivers.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be able to remember that about.

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Speaker 2: My entire life until twelve years ago. And that if

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Speaker 2: football that is allowed to be played now defensively, which

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Speaker 2: completely nobody can stop anybody. At the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: the Niners defense, Chiefs flew through it. Last year, Eagles

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Speaker 2: hope that you can create pass rushes consistently and be

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Speaker 2: So to my point is Andy was hurt by the

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Speaker 2: had a health scare. So here's another one. Andy and

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Speaker 2: I'll do it for Naggie, and that Andy retires if

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Speaker 2: they win the Super Bowl. And this was floated by

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in the Matt Castle trade when Verrabel.

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Speaker 2: So just a thought. Because the Chiefs historically have spent

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I So Florio keeps floating the

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Speaker 1: But another one of his sons kept going, I don't

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Speaker 1: I think that Andy Reid. I would have to imagine,

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Speaker 1: while this year has been, like you said, challenging, working

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Speaker 1: would say, guys, wait a minute, for everyone, forget the counting,

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Speaker 1: different way. I understand Belichick's got six. If Andy wins

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Speaker 1: I don't listen. Maybe they would walk away, or maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm right on this. I think it's rare that not

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Speaker 1: So that's my point exactly right, Like I already believe

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Speaker 1: playoff game this year that Mahomes plays poorly. It hasn't happened,

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Speaker 1: but they have a good enough defense that they theoretically

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Speaker 1: could sustain. I don't think they can next week. But

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Speaker 1: they could have won that game ten to seven because

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Speaker 1: Miami wasn't doing anything. So I to me, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you agree the quarterback mount Rushmore of the

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Speaker 1: you know Super Bowl era, not counting unitas and stuff,

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Speaker 1: is Manning, Montana, Brady, and Mahomes. I think those are

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Speaker 1: the four best quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Manning, Montana, Brady, and Mahomes. A lot of people want

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Speaker 2: Lway close. He's he's looking up at the mountain. He's

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Speaker 2: he's scaling it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Elway and Marino are the next two.

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Speaker 1: But to me, those are the four. Those are the

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Speaker 1: four best quarterbacks that I've seen. And their residence.

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Speaker 2: Brady, Montana, Manning, Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, those So here's what is so interesting about the

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Speaker 1: three non Mahomes. They all for their first and for

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Speaker 1: Brady and Montana their second, no for both of them,

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Speaker 1: for all three of them for their first and second

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Speaker 1: rings in the playoffs. The year they won the Ring

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Speaker 1: had at least one and for two of them multiple

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Speaker 1: down right awful playoff games, and they won. They were

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Speaker 1: able to win despite it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Brady didn't have an awesome playoff game until his second

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl victory. Peyton, who is as great of a

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Speaker 1: football players I've ever seen. The year they won the

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Speaker 1: Ring in the playoffs, he had three touchdowns, seven picks,

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Speaker 1: never had a ninety passer rated Montana in the NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game for Ring number two had I think two picks,

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Speaker 1: zero touchdowns, a sixty rating, but his team shut out

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Speaker 1: the Bears like they allowed zero points. Mahomes has never

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Speaker 1: won a single pay like, he's never been able to

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Speaker 1: be bad in the playoffs and they win. Now he's

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Speaker 1: only ever been numbers are insane and insane without us.

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Speaker 1: The only bad game is the Super Bowl against Tampa,

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Speaker 1: which if you watched it, you know he wasn't the problem,

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Speaker 1: but say he was, he was, Say he was bad

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Speaker 1: that game, they get blown out. And so the fact

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Speaker 1: that all the other guys, yeah, while they were stacking

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Speaker 1: those first rings, were able to have oh I don't

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Speaker 1: have it tonight, bail me out is a very unique thing,

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Speaker 1: or not a unique thing. That's the most stint thing.

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Speaker 1: Like this interesting thing about Peyton Manning is both of

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Speaker 1: his playoff runs that ended in a Super Bowl, he

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Speaker 1: was bad the entirety of both postseasons. Now, his best

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Speaker 1: playoff runs they just didn't win it, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had He had way better years. But

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Speaker 1: the years he actually won the ring, the six goalt

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Speaker 1: he had three touchdown, seven picks for the playoffs that

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Speaker 1: was at his peak, and they won the championships, so

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Speaker 1: nobody cares.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little bit. I think people sometimes

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Speaker 2: forget he was a little bit. As Bill Ponian called him,

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Speaker 2: a teeth clencher. He could get a little worked up. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he could get some anxiety, which Mahomes has none of it,

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Speaker 2: which I asked Mitchell Schwartz about on FS one today.

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Speaker 2: I said, did you see it early that Mahomes almost

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Speaker 2: plays backyard football in the biggest games. It's almost like

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Speaker 2: a race car driver whose heart beat doesn't go up

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Speaker 2: in a corner usually, you know, if you go up

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Speaker 2: against the wall, it's more dangerous, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: these race car drivers, like it'd be like your heart

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Speaker 2: your rate not changing at all during a crash.

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Speaker 1: That's literal. So I don't know if we've talked to

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Speaker 1: this before or not, but during the famous thirteen seconds

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Speaker 1: game against the Bills two years ago, Yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: one of those whoop things or something that monitors his

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Speaker 1: heart rate. Maybe we've talked about this. His heart rate

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Speaker 1: only went up when Buffalo had the ball, So when

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Speaker 1: he got the ball, he was calm, but when it

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Speaker 1: was out of his control. He got anxious. When he's

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Speaker 1: like on the sideline and I get it back, that's

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Speaker 1: when his heart rate spiked. As soon as it was okay,

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Speaker 1: it's on me again, he calmed, Yeah, yeah, Peyton was Peyton.

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Speaker 1: That's the The only reason Peyton Manning is not the

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Speaker 1: greatest quarterback ever is like when I look at athletes

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Speaker 1: basketball and football. Baseball's a little different, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the greatest of the great are awesome in the regular

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Speaker 1: season and somehow get a touch better in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: That's Michael lebron Shack. Yeah, and that's damn near the list. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you actually look at the numbers, a team is

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Speaker 1: not many. Isaiah was the great. Are able to maintain Yokis,

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Speaker 1: by the way, gets pending. Are able to maintain the

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Speaker 1: same level.

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Speaker 2: That's what coloric Jeter's classic. I mean, he hit this,

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Speaker 2: it's it's the same player.

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Speaker 1: It's the same player, Kobe. If you look at the numbers,

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Speaker 1: he's the you know what I mean, he doesn't get worse,

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Speaker 1: he's not afraid. But there's a lot the and then well,

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Speaker 1: Peyton was the third category get a little worse, just

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Speaker 1: a little worse by the way, and people get mad

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Speaker 1: at me, but just look up the numbers. It's also

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Speaker 1: true for Steph step just a touch work, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, just a touch. Yeah, And so that

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about the all time legends, that is

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Speaker 1: an important factor. If Peyton could have just he didn't

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Speaker 1: have to get better. Brady got better, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, as he got older. At least Mahomes gets better,

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Speaker 1: which is mind boggling. If Peyton could have just maintained right,

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Speaker 1: he'd be unimpeachable. And listen, I still think he's I

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Speaker 1: still I think it's Brady Mahomes, Peyton, Montana in that order.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one through four. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of Montana people get bad the volume