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Speaker 3: dot com. All right, let's get to confirmation and let's

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Speaker 3: go put this up there on the screen. This is

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Speaker 3: a huge week for confirmation for some of Trump's nominees.

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Speaker 1: Today this morning.

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Speaker 3: Actually after the show is finished recording, RFK Junior will

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Speaker 3: take and testify to the Senate Health and Human Services

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Speaker 3: Committee for his confirmation hearing. He's actually will appear first

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Speaker 3: before Finance, which is one of the two committees with jurisdiction,

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Speaker 3: and then again on Thursday, so they'll have multiple opportunities

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Speaker 3: to question him. Then you will have Kelly Leffler, who

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Speaker 3: will be at the Small Business Administration for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before SBA. I forgot that too.

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Speaker 4: The failed some kind of like insider trading situation.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it wass. She just had a

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Speaker 3: sketchy background. She worked as the CEO of a crypto

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Speaker 3: she lost famously in that Senate runoff and has been

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Speaker 2: She was accused of selling twenty million dollars in stock

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Speaker 2: a week after a coronavirus pandemic briefing.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I remember that, Yeah. Because it wasn't just her.

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Speaker 3: There was also Richard Blanket on the name senator from

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Speaker 3: North Carolina bur Burr.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Senate Richard Burr. He's the one I remember.

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Speaker 1: He had his phone sees that's right, right, and all

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Speaker 3: There was David Perdue, also the former senator from Georgia

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be our ambassador to China.

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Speaker 4: Oh there you go, lovely, All right.

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Speaker 3: Thursday, we will have cash Ptel from the FBI. He

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Speaker 3: This is really the big one, which is Tulsea Gabbard,

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Speaker 3: confirmation as the DNI. Right now, the biggest question marks

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Speaker 1: Taste of what that looks like.

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Speaker 3: John Brennan, the former CIA director, campaigning against her on MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Well, when they are National Security Council meetings that the

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Speaker 5: So again it's the presence daily brief, but also the

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Speaker 6: Real quick, before we let you go, Director, do those

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Speaker 3: That's the taste of the deep state against Tulsi Gabbard.

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Speaker 3: John Brennan of course would never manipulate intelligence. He would

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Speaker 1: It's an absolute non starter.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Many of them would not even vote or meet with

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Speaker 3: all of that. I still, you know, really remains to

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Speaker 3: But if they do get confirmed, it's very likely to

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Speaker 1: Break vote with r K.

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Speaker 4: I could see some Democrats crossing over.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking the same.

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Speaker 2: I could see John Fetterman voting for him, whereas I

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Speaker 3: Gabbernie could vote for if he extracts some promises.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I mean maybe, but I

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Speaker 2: his views on vaccines. The other one that I think

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Speaker 4: I mean, even Corey Booker has made some like sort.

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Speaker 2: there's concern that he is pro choice now like Tulci,

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Speaker 3: it really is Sean O'Brien, And he has played it well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, big tensions in this. Who will win or not?

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Speaker 3: Well, they voted against almost all of the Trumpet nominees, right,

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Speaker 1: Some heritage fundation, right.

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Speaker 1: To be easy. Well last time, the biggest check bark

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Speaker 2: The beginning, that guy's name is like Puzzter And yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see, why don't we get to wildfires? Lots

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to.

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Speaker 8: That ID is a condition for aid to California.

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Speaker 9: Is that gonna be a red line for you?

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Speaker 1: Can you insist on voter ID and in shade for

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we've got to work out the details of that.

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Speaker 7: I haven't not spoken to the President about that issue,

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Speaker 2: This is of course echoing some of what Trump said

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Speaker 4: We're upset about it.

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Speaker 2: Pretty wild to just directly tie it to political outcomes

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Speaker 9: I want to see two things in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 9: Those are the two things.

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Speaker 8: After that, I will be the greatest president that California

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Speaker 9: I want the water to come down and come down.

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Speaker 9: So I want two things. I want voter.

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Speaker 2: of what we're talking about when you're dealing with these

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Speaker 2: repeated climate crises. Let's take a listen to what Trump

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Speaker 2: how to say about that.

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Speaker 8: North Carolina gets hit, the governor takes care of it.

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Speaker 8: When Florida gets hit, the governor takes care of it,

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Speaker 8: meaning the state takes.

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Speaker 9: Care of it. To have a group of.

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Speaker 8: People come in from an area that don't even know

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Speaker 8: where they're going in order to solve immediately a problem is.

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Speaker 9: Something that never worked for me.

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Speaker 8: But this is probably one of the best examples of

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Speaker 8: it not working.

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Speaker 9: And there's been some others, like in Louisiana, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: So we're going to be doing something on FEMA that

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Speaker 8: I think most people agree. I'd like to see the

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Speaker 8: states take care of disasters. Let the state take care

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Speaker 8: of the tornadoes and the hurricanes and all of the

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Speaker 8: other things that happen. And I think you're gonna find

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Speaker 8: it a lot less expensive. You'll do it for less

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Speaker 8: than a half and you're gonna get a lot quicker response.

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Speaker 2: This actually ties in Zagara with the executive order that

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Speaker 2: we were talking about. This actually non executive order, but

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Speaker 2: an agency directive I guess it was that is being

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Speaker 2: parsed and debated right now. Calenrad points will cover in

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Speaker 2: full tomorrow, but basically says that all agencies need to

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Speaker 2: stop distributing all federal funds to any programs outside of

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Speaker 2: those that go directly to individuals. So potentially included in

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Speaker 2: that would be things like disaster relief, so you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of ties in with these comments from Trump. And

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Speaker 2: just one more note. You know, I know we're all

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Speaker 2: thinking about California after these horrific fires, but because you

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Speaker 2: have so many Red states along the coastline of the

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Speaker 2: Gulf of America, I guess we'll say right that are tremendous,

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Speaker 2: you know, tremendously impacted routinely by hurricanes. The bulk of

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Speaker 2: FEMA money distributed goes to Red states, so it would

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Speaker 2: be Red states that would be primarily affected. Not that

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Speaker 2: that should matter, because I happen to believe that whether

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Speaker 2: you vote for Republicans or Democrats, you should benefit from

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Speaker 2: the federal government coming in to help you in your

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Speaker 2: time of need. And I'm pretty sure that's something that

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Speaker 2: most people in the country tend to accept.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've gone on the record I think for this,

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Speaker 3: whether you look obviously, I think voter ID is a

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Speaker 3: good policy or whatever. If Congress wants to pass a

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Speaker 3: law that requires it for the entire nation, fine, I would.

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Speaker 1: Have no issue with that.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that FEMA money or any of

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Speaker 3: that should be tied to it. I also think that

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Speaker 3: it's stupid. You know, every single time we have a

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Speaker 3: major disaster, Congress has to come through and pass like

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Speaker 3: some special supplemental as opposed to just actual checks that

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Speaker 3: just kick in.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 3: Philosophically, California is the biggest economy in our state. Federal

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Speaker 3: federal revenue wise, they probably pay more than any other

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Speaker 3: state and turn into the coffers. So Alabama, which I

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Speaker 3: don't like talking this way, but it is true. Most

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Speaker 3: of these states Alabama, Misissippi, or whatever, are downwardly mobile

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Speaker 3: and are almost certainly more beneficiaries of recipient tax dollars

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Speaker 3: than they are paying.

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Speaker 1: In the system.

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Speaker 3: It would be genuinely outrageous. I would say this about

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Speaker 3: Texas too, which is also a G fifteen economy in

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Speaker 3: and of itself. If there's a Biden administration and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you need to implement ESG, I'd be like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll just take our oil and go somewhere else. Same

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Speaker 3: with California. So I feel the same way in terms

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Speaker 3: of neutrality for overall disaster relief. We've got thirty million

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Speaker 3: Americans I think who live that it might be more

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Speaker 3: a thirty something million, one tenth or so of the

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Speaker 3: entire US population that lives in the state.

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Speaker 1: I think we should just get.

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Speaker 4: Many of them Republicans. By the way, yes, they for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't even have to talk this way. It's not

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Speaker 1: about Republican Democrats. They're citizens.

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Speaker 3: Many of them again tax wise, have paid more than

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Speaker 3: anybody else into the federal coffers. So when they need

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Speaker 3: to be bailed out, I think we should bail them out.

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Speaker 3: And in general, tying this political stuff to just as

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Speaker 3: aid is really bad policy because, like we just said,

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Speaker 3: you could easily foresee some future Democratic president who said,

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Speaker 3: if there's an issue in Texas, they're like, okay, well

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Speaker 3: you have to pursue green energy, and they're like, okay,

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Speaker 3: well we don't want to. So what are they supposed

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Speaker 3: to do? You know, it's a bad policy to set.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well in the voter.

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Speaker 2: I d think is particularly crazy because I mean I

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Speaker 2: would find it objectionable to put any conditions on it,

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Speaker 2: even if it was like you have to do the

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Speaker 2: water management in the way that we want.

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Speaker 4: But at least that would relate. Yeah, that's right in theory,

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Speaker 4: you know, the water.

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Speaker 1: Thing, if it's real.

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Speaker 3: I don't know nearly enough about water. I've tried to

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Speaker 3: read about it. It's way too political of the way

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Speaker 3: that it is. But if theoretically that was genuinely what.

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Speaker 1: Caused it, okay, I could live with it.

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Speaker 3: But the voter thing and anything generally political again, if

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Speaker 3: we want national voter id, fine, pass it through an

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Speaker 3: Act of Congress.

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Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with that.

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Speaker 3: But conditioning aid to each state specifically to compel behavior

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Speaker 3: is very different, for example, than the national what was it,

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Speaker 3: you know, then the thing that set the drinking age

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Speaker 3: at twenty one. They're like, oh, if you want your

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Speaker 3: highway dollars, then you have to do that. Okay, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't even love that per se, but at least

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Speaker 3: that's one that applies to all states.

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Speaker 1: Singling out an individual state.

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Speaker 2: It seems wrong and very clearly being like we don't

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Speaker 2: like how you voted, so you're not going to get

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Speaker 2: our help is crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mentioned this before.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that really radicalized me against

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Speaker 2: Democrats when I lived in Kentucky, which you know, had

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Speaker 2: trend into the right and just elected Republican and governor,

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Speaker 2: and they were passing all kinds of legislation through that

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Speaker 2: we you know, getting rid of, like implementing quote unquote

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Speaker 2: right to work versus anti labor an, attacking pensions whatever.

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Speaker 4: I got a lot on.

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Speaker 2: Twitter of like, we'll screw those people. They voted the

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Speaker 2: wrong way. And I just think that once you start

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Speaker 2: thinking that way, it's really it's like the end of

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Speaker 2: the country. It's like it's over, Like we may as

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Speaker 2: well just break up and dissolve. If it's just going

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Speaker 2: to be you know, retribution against states and country and

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Speaker 2: counties and cities that don't vote the way that you

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Speaker 2: want them to, it's very bad.

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Speaker 4: Direction to go in.

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Speaker 2: There were some additional sort of underlying pieces here that

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Speaker 2: have come out after the fires that you know, have

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Speaker 2: really caused additional pain and suffering for people there and

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Speaker 2: helped to explain why, for example, the fire department in

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Speaker 2: La County, among other reasons, why they were under resourced

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Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 4: And we put this up on the screen, this.

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Speaker 2: Was actually from Ben Norton tweeted it out, but this

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Speaker 2: was from Matt Stoler's sub stack. He had a guest

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Speaker 2: author on who I believe is an antitrust attorney something

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Speaker 2: like that, who wrote a long piece about the fact

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Speaker 2: that US fire trucks their costs have skyrocketed because a

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Speaker 2: private equity firm bought up the manufacturers and made a monopoly.

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Speaker 2: Can put the piece up on the screen and I'll

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Speaker 2: give you some of the details here. So the cost

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Speaker 2: of fire trucks has skyrocketed, going from three hundred to

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Speaker 2: five hundred thousand for a pumper truck and seven fifty

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Speaker 2: to nine hundred thousand for a ladder truck just in

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Speaker 2: the mid twenty tens. We're not talking about like the

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Speaker 2: eighties or nineties. We're talking about the mid twin tens

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Speaker 2: a decade ago. Now they've skyrocketed to around a million

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Speaker 2: for a pumper truck and two million for a ladder truck.

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Speaker 4: And not to mention the time to even get some if.

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Speaker 2: You can afford that and you're willing to shell out

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Speaker 2: the cash, the time to actually take delivery receipt of

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Speaker 2: that truck has gone to now being between two and

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Speaker 2: four and a half years used to be less than

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Speaker 2: a year. And the TLDR here and again I recommend

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Speaker 2: you read the piece because it's very instructive, not just

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Speaker 2: about fire trucks, but about so many problems within our economy.

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Speaker 2: Is that a private equity firm car called American Industrial Partners,

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Speaker 2: decided to roll up the fire truck industry, forced prices

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Speaker 2: up across the board, consolidated all these previously like regional

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Speaker 2: sort of like small manufacturing manufacturers. Originally, they had all

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Speaker 2: this propaganda about, oh, we're going to continue to allow

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Speaker 2: you to operate in your facilities, and you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: your own brand and we'll just be like the parent

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Speaker 2: company and you guys are going to do your own thing.

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Speaker 2: But they've since dropped that act. They've significantly reduced capacity,

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Speaker 2: like factory capacity, in order to actually build and deliver

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Speaker 2: these trucks. Spike the prices, and now you have an

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Speaker 2: industry that is just, you know, tremendously consolidated, very little competition,

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Speaker 2: very little choice. So when these fires struck, over half

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Speaker 2: of the LA Fire Department's trucks were currently out of service,

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Speaker 2: and part of that is because of this price they

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Speaker 2: weren't able to replace the trucks, and then even things

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Speaker 2: like being able to get the parts from these same

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Speaker 2: manufacturers gets wildly more expensive. You add on top of

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Speaker 2: that they had seen budget cut cuts that we talked

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Speaker 2: about before, and you know, you end up with a

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Speaker 2: situation where even as the fire risk has obviously dramatically

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Speaker 2: increased in this era of climate crisis, they are significantly

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Speaker 2: under resourced and unable to even marshal the equipment necessary

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Speaker 2: to be able to combat the fires that they wear.

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Speaker 3: It was really interesting action to look at that there's

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Speaker 3: also been this price gouging that we should mention. Put

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Speaker 3: it up there please on the screen one of the

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Speaker 3: things that we immediately flagged here at breaking points. But

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Speaker 3: the rent has now risen by some twenty percent across

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Speaker 3: LA counties after the fires, even though that's actually in

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Speaker 3: direct violation of the legal limit of ten percent, which

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Speaker 3: is meant to be an anti price gouging maneuver that

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Speaker 3: kicks in in terms of disaster.

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Speaker 1: But the real issue is.

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Speaker 3: That the housing stock has now obviously massively shrunk in

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Speaker 3: some of the richest areas. There are huge question marks

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Speaker 3: about insurance, property tax, the ability to even rebuild, and

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Speaker 3: then whether a lot of those people even want to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as I said, if something like that happened

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Speaker 1: to me, I'm done.

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Speaker 3: I'm not paying all that much income and property tax

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Speaker 3: just to be screwed. Whenever it actually matters, whether it's

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Speaker 3: private equity, whether it's lack of investment or whatever, we

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Speaker 3: can all agree that it was completely incompetent the way

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Speaker 3: that it was run. And so put that together and

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Speaker 3: you're just seeing a real crisis of what I would

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Speaker 3: say is like capital l liberalism. Like these cities San Francisco,

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, you know, New York and others have relied

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Speaker 3: on this like weird balance of like progressivism through rhetoric

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Speaker 3: but nimbiism and rich people that come together. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: la Is now the best example of this is one

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Speaker 3: of the greatest places in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: No one can dispute that.

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Speaker 3: Weatherwise, it's incredible, and you know that you have the

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Speaker 3: dynamic effect of the city. You've got land, you've got sun,

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Speaker 3: you've got you know, all this stuff happening. But the

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Speaker 3: fact is is that if anything, it's resources are a

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Speaker 3: curse that enables all of this bullshit to like surround it,

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Speaker 3: And what we see here now is there's huge question

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Speaker 3: marks as to whether they're even going to change their

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Speaker 3: housing policy. Now, I'm not some universal yimbi person. I'm

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Speaker 3: actually skeptical of a lot of this, like we need

661
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Speaker 3: you all need to live in a box, five minute

662
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Speaker 3: city stuff, et cetera. But California and New York are

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Speaker 3: the places where I'm like, guys, this is undeniable.

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Speaker 1: This It clearly is not working.

665
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Speaker 3: When you have millions and millions and millions of dollars

666
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Speaker 3: and the average salary is like one hundred grand with

667
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: thirteen percent incometax, right, It's like, how.

668
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Speaker 1: Does shit even work? So I think they need to

669
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Speaker 1: ask big questions.

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Speaker 3: And if we're going to tie federal aid, I would

671
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Speaker 3: like it to be tied to something like this and

672
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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, let's make sure that normal people can

673
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Speaker 3: actually live here, you know, instead of just either bailing

674
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Speaker 3: out the ultra rich or just accelerating what was accelerating

675
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Speaker 3: building pathways for the richest residents who lost their homes

676
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Speaker 3: as opposed to lowering the price for everybody. Look at

677
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Speaker 3: what has happened in Austin. This is where a red

678
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: state is genuinely beneficial. They don't have all this yimbie bullshit.

679
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: Rent in Austin is down twenty three percent over the

680
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Speaker 3: last three years. That's incredible, and it's literally just because

681
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: they built a shit.

682
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Speaker 1: Ton of housing everywhere. Houston not the most beautiful city.

683
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Speaker 1: It's cheap to live if you want to live there.

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Speaker 3: You know, listen, you know, it's one of the only

685
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Speaker 3: places that made me want to maybe have some zoning

686
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Speaker 3: laws because.

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Speaker 1: Like, should a auto body shop.

688
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Speaker 3: Be next to a single family house? I don't know,

689
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: but that house is pretty cheap, and the people there

690
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Speaker 3: seem to like it's one of the biggest cities in

691
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Speaker 3: the country. That's my been my main takeaway from this

692
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Speaker 3: LA situation.

693
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to some interesting comments from AOC who

694
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Speaker 2: has become one of the more vocal members of Congress

695
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: on the Democratic side. I mean, I was just seeing Zager,

696
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: like the Democrats apparently just got their act around to

697
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: do like some press conference condemning the partning of January

698
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Speaker 2: six rioters and we're like, I mean, we're ten other

699
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: outrageous moves later, like they're just I don't know, they're

700
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Speaker 2: a mess. They don't understand the landscape. They don't know

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Speaker 2: what to do. They're totally pathetic in terms of any

702
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: sort of a fight. This time around, I've seen a

703
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: lot of just like normy Democratic base type people who

704
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: are loyal, vote blue no matter who, MSNBC types who

705
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: are furious with the way that the Democratic Party has

706
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: reacted or their lack of response to Trump two point

707
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: zero this time around. So in any case, AOC is

708
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: one of the people who has asserted herself more. John

709
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Stewart had her on and she made some interesting comments

710
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Speaker 2: about insider training, but also some insider and some interesting

711
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: comments about Joe Biden on his way on of office,

712
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: being like, oh, there's a problem with oligarchy, really is there?

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Speaker 2: Tell me more about that. Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 2: what she had to say.

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Speaker 10: There need to be democrists who walk the walk and

716
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Speaker 10: talk to talk. There is an insane amount of hypocrisy,

717
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Speaker 10: and the hypocrisy is what gets exploited to use the

718
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Speaker 10: cynicism and wherever there's a hypocritical window. For example, I

719
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 10: think one of the most biggest examples of this is

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Speaker 10: insider trading in Congress.

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Speaker 11: Like, dude, like, I don't know if I like, do

722
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Speaker 11: I give snaps do I don't know what the kids

723
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Speaker 11: do anymore, but like, dude.

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Speaker 10: It's yes, it is.

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Speaker 11: That's so crazy, so crazy.

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Speaker 10: I mean, like that's the end. This is the thing.

727
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Speaker 10: It's like like people think that everyday people are stupid.

728
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 10: I'm like, do do you really think that people don't

729
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 10: see this shit?

730
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Speaker 11: Like they sit on a committee, they get information about

731
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 11: a drug or a contract or a thing, they immediately

732
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 11: make a call, the stockbroker changes thing, and and their

733
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Speaker 11: portfolio swells explodes.

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Speaker 10: And you're doing this on public trust right on like

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Speaker 10: taxpayer finance, public you know, facilities like it.

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Speaker 11: You're regulating the market that you're trading on exactly, and

737
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Speaker 11: we're on the casino.

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Speaker 8: And then we're.

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Speaker 10: Supposed to act like money doesn't only corrupt Republicans, give

740
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 10: me a fucking break. Biden on his way out, it

741
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 10: was only his way out that he was like, this

742
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 10: country's controlled by oligarchs by like we couldn't use that

743
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Speaker 10: energy a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Accurate on all of that.

745
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Speaker 1: Isn't this a little too late?

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00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I was, I mean talk it's like you endorsed Biden, Okay,

748
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: not only not defended Bien.

749
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Speaker 1: She and Bernie.

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Speaker 2: Actually they were in the like, you know, we're all

751
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: in with Biden here today.

752
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: They were more with Biden than like Nancy Pelosi. So

753
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: that's where part of it.

754
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Speaker 2: Is just like shut up, all right, Well here's here's

755
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: the part to I think one of the there's a

756
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: few points she makes that I think are important.

757
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Speaker 4: Number one about the.

758
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Speaker 2: Way that hypocrisy is used against Democrats and understandably so,

759
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: I mean she's talking about the insider trading piece, also

760
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: talking about you know, you had a lot of people,

761
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: including Joe Biden, who were like Trump's a fascist and

762
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: then are like, welcome to the way, welcome home, h

763
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. And people are not going to believe you

764
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: next time you raise the alarm about something if you

765
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: are not acting like this was really this was really

766
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: bad that he got elected. And I you know, still

767
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: think the things that I said before were true and

768
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Speaker 2: this is a real threat. And so you know, to

769
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: see democrats the way that they buy and large responded,

770
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Speaker 2: which is to be like yeah, we'll see and maybe

771
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: we'll work with him or whatever. It's like, this is

772
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: a wildly different energy than you were bringing up until

773
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Speaker 2: five seconds ago. So even though your point about her

774
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: and Biden is a correct one and it's like, okay,

775
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: well where was that energy.

776
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Speaker 4: Critiquing him previously?

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Speaker 2: She is right in what she's saying here about you know,

778
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: the Democratic response this time around to Trump.

779
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

780
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's why when you think about when you're

781
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: thinking about how this is all shaping up, I think

782
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: it all comes to credibility and say whatever you want

783
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: about Trump. And he's switched his you know, his tune

784
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: on many many Yeah, but he's like core thing about

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00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: immigration and trade.

786
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Speaker 1: She's been saying this in nineteen seventy six.

787
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: You know, he's got a consistency of message, and even

788
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: when he's inconsistent, it's within his like Trumpean Maga like framework.

789
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: As you always point out, what are things people like about?

790
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders basically been saying the same stuff since he's

791
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Speaker 3: been running for office.

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Speaker 1: And was it Burlington mayor The.

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Speaker 3: Problem I have here with the aocs and all of

794
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: that is you both try to be consistent on these

795
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: and let's be clear, she actually has been. She cosponds

796
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: to that legislation with Matt Gates on stock trading, So

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Speaker 3: I'm not calling around on whatever on this specifically but

798
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: she's a capital D Democrat and that works for her sometimes.

799
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: But it didn't.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you have that inability to call out

801
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: your own side when it's happening in the midst of

802
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 3: the big existential question of the time, do we support

803
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: Biden or do we ditch Biden? I don't know if

804
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: a lot of people can have a lot of trust

805
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: with you on this issue. So trust is everything politics.

806
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean, why did Kamala at the end of the

807
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: day lose you know, her whole border hawkstick. People were like,

808
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: I don't believe you because of all this crap that

809
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: you said in twenty nineteen. I think that you either

810
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: still are open borders or maybe worse, you don't believe anything.

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Speaker 1: And that's not a problem.

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Speaker 3: That's not a version that vibes with Trump, who has

813
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: been one hundred percent of consistent at least on illegal immigration.

814
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: And that's mostly the valance of where people decided to

815
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: fall with.

816
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Speaker 1: So with AOC, with a lot of.

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Speaker 3: These progressive Democrats, it's like, I think Biden was like

818
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: poison for them because they both had to defend him.

819
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: But even in the times when they knew that he

820
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: was being bad, they had to stay silent. They lost

821
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: a lot of trust, and so it's like it's easy

822
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: to say when you're out of power. And by the way,

823
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: of course, this applies to Republicans too, right, this is

824
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: the eternal problem of the insider outsider dynamic. Yea, but yeah,

825
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I see, you know, she

826
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: we're about to play Charlem Mane. He's people should be

827
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: more like AOC and like should they really like I

828
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: don't think that she's been a very a successful politician

829
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: over the last time. I would say she's actually one

830
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Speaker 3: of the most failed politicians of the last ten years.

831
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Speaker 2: I mean, here's here's what went wrong for her. She

832
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: came in as a true outsider, true outsider. Yeah, takes

833
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: out Joe Crowley, who was you know, in leadership and

834
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: close to Pelosi and all these people and just sort

835
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: of took a seat for granted, and she comes in

836
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: and she knocks them out, and it's an earthquake. Right.

837
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Speaker 2: She decides, before she's even I think, before she's sworn in,

838
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: she's going to protest outside of Nancy Pelosi's office and

839
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: make this statement. And there was a there were two

840
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: different pathways, right, One was to maintain that outsider status

841
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Speaker 2: and really be that bomb throw and leverage the social

842
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: media following that she had and continues to have, by

843
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Speaker 2: the way, and use that grassroots power against the established

844
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party power. She step by step by step, chose

845
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Speaker 2: the other path, which was to try to play the

846
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: inside game, and we just really saw an example of

847
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: how that was a completely failed tactic. I mean, she

848
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: wanted to be ranking member on Oversight, and she pledged

849
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: reportedly as part of that, like if you let me

850
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: do this, I am not going to primary any Democratic incumbents,

851
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: which is an extraordinary, extraordinary concession, Okay, extraordinary concession to

852
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: basically say like I'm gonna lay down my arms against

853
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: any critique I have against any of y'all in the

854
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: Democratic Caucus. And they still blocked her and put in

855
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Speaker 2: Jerry Connolly, who you know, is literally suffering with cancer

856
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: and is aged. It's and nobody's idea of a fire brand, right,

857
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: nobody's idea of a firebrand for a position that actually

858
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: made sense for AOC because oversight, you know, it's all

859
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: about like getting that clip that goes viral and sharing

860
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Speaker 2: on social media.

861
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Speaker 4: Whatever it was.

862
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: It really was a good position for her within the

863
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: context of the Democratic Party, even in that she's blocked.

864
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: So I think you're right Saga that ultimately the tests

865
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: will come. Like now it's kind of comfortable to have

866
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: these critiques of like Joe Biden has done, he's out.

867
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Speaker 4: It's all easy to see in.

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Speaker 2: Retrospect the way this all went sideways, et cetera, et cetera.

869
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Speaker 2: Are you going to have that energy when it's difficult,

870
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: when it goes against the where the party is and

871
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: what they're doing, because you know, that's that's when it

872
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: really counts. Like we could have used that voice back

873
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: when the Democrats were like, we're just not going to

874
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: have a primary. You know, forget about the like Biden

875
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: Kamala thing, because I think you could justify that when

876
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 2: it turns out that Kamala actually on economics was going

877
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: to be worse than Biden, like with regard to antitrust,

878
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Speaker 2: sec crypto, possibly labor was not going to be as

879
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: good as Biden. You could justify it from an ideological perspective.

880
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: I mean, though Biden obviously is too old blah blah blah.

881
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: But the real moment was back when Democrats said we're

882
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: going to cancel the primary. We're not going to have

883
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: any debates, We're not going to have any choice, and

884
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: that there was none of that energy from anyone at

885
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: that point. So I think that is the quiet. If

886
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: she wants to and I think she does. If she

887
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: wants to be an actual leader of a reformed, different

888
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: Democratic Party, she's going to have to say things like

889
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: this when it is difficult, when it is uncomfortable, and

890
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: requires her to bump up against her friends and colleagues.

891
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: In this institution, we tease the Charlamagne clips, so let

892
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: me go ahead and play it. But you know, he's

893
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: been interesting also in the aftermath. I mean, he's very

894
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: frustrated with the Democratic Party for a whole variety of reasons,

895
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: but it was interesting to hear him pick up on

896
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: AOC at least having some fight in her. Let's take

897
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: a listen to what he had to say.

898
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 12: And don't get me wrong, you should be angry at

899
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 12: people suddenly making nice with Donald Trump. But instead of

900
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 12: snooping Nelly, what about the Democratic politicians who spent four

901
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 12: years calling Trump the new Adolf Hitler and then started

902
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 12: doing stuff like this.

903
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 5: President Biden welcoming his successor to the White House observed

904
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 5: all the traditional niceties.

905
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 10: Joe Biden greeting Donald Trump at the White House with

906
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 10: two words welcome home.

907
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 5: There were smiles, there were handshakes.

908
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 6: I mean, there was a real respect between the two.

909
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: This moment between former President Barack Obama and President elect

910
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has gone viral.

911
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: They chuckled like old buddies. Trump even made Obama laugh.

912
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, if you tell us someone is hitler, you

913
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 12: at least have to act like he's hitler. I know

914
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 12: when Barrock got home, Michelle was.

915
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: Like, he he hell.

916
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: So hit Look god jokes, hump.

917
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 12: In fact, here's the energy I wanted to see more of.

918
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 13: On Monday, all these journalists are like, congresswomen, are you

919
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 13: going to the inauguration? Congresswoman, are you going to the inauguration?

920
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 13: Are you going to the inauguration? Let me make myself

921
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 13: clear here. I don't celebrate rapists. So no, I'm not

922
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 13: going to the inauguration.

923
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 12: See that's right, that's right, that right there, that's backbone.

924
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: That's principles.

925
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 12: Man, I'm gonna miss AOC when she's deported to Nicaragua.

926
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: Now, whether or not you particularly agree with Akritik Sagar,

927
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: think about the difference though, between Joe Amiga, who spent

928
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: all this time and made lots of money and got

929
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: super famous saying comparing Trump to fascists and yes Nazis,

930
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: and then immediately he's elected and they're like, Oh, we're.

931
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: Gonna make nice and we're gonna go down to mar

932
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Speaker 4: Alago blah blah.

933
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: Blah versus Listen, she's been consistent on this, and she

934
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: is acting the way you would act if you actually believe.

935
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Speaker 4: The things that you said.

936
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Speaker 2: And that's the piece of this that I think is

937
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: important is you know, Democrats have by and large decided

938
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: that the thing to do in this moment is just

939
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: to like sort of be quiet and see what happens

940
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: and in certain respects like capitulate to him, etc. Think

941
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Speaker 2: and then I will gain them credibility with the country.

942
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: But I think that's the completely wrong calculus, because we

943
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: all remember the things you said, and you need to

944
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: act consistent with those threats that you lay down and

945
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: you claim to believe in.

946
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: So I think Charlemagne is corrected.

947
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: But I don't think that they really do. I don't

948
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: think that they really do like believe it. I think

949
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: they only believed one thing that this resistance and to

950
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: all the rhetoric and everything, it was always fake. It

951
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: was always just about getting elected. They didn't believe in it.

952
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: They didn't believe in healthcare, they didn't believe in whatever.

953
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: Right.

954
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: Almost all of it was just to get themselves either

955
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: elected twin some mid terms to keep control of power,

956
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: and then eventually around Biden, it was like to worship

957
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 3: this cult of personality. And so really what's been revealed

958
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: is they don't believe anything.

959
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Really, what I.

960
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: Think that they did believe is that Trump was democratically illegitimate.

961
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: That was really it, Like that was their core belief

962
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: that they could sell to the country. The reason why

963
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 3: they're so in shambles is that obviously that's just no

964
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: longer a case than you can advance. So now what

965
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 3: and like that's I mean, look, it's exciting. I think

966
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: if you're a Democrat, because you're like, wow, you know

967
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: everything's up for grabs. You have the lowest party I

968
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: d in a national century, Like, you have so many

969
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: different ways that you could think about, you know who

970
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: we are and what's next. But it's also, yeah, like

971
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: you said, if I was one of those MSNBC people,

972
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: these are normal folks, and yeah, I don't begrudge them.

973
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: They are fellow citizens.

974
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of them did believe it, and so

975
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: it's humiliating for them in some ways to look at

976
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 3: this and to see what it really is.

977
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: And I would tell you guys, you guys got taken

978
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: for a ride. They never believed anything. I know that.

979
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope they do.

980
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean that's why like you do see I mean,

981
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: first of all, I'm ass it's almost like you can't

982
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: even pick on them at this point because it's so pathetic, right,

983
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think they have lost total credibility, and

984
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: I think.

985
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 4: Liberals have really had their trust.

986
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: In those institutions the Washington Post, the Times and MSNBC

987
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: and whatever has been shattered. I think their trust in

988
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: the mainstream Democratic Party that they you know, we're talking

989
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: about like really hardcore normy Dems has been dramatically shaken,

990
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that they're waiting for someone

991
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: to have some energy and some fight left in them.

992
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: And I do think like these battles are going to

993
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 2: play out in the next Democratic primary, and I don't

994
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: think that the Democratic base is going to I'm going

995
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: to skip this sack because we've just We've gone on

996
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: a long time here. But you know, there was a

997
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: reporter who was like, ah, maybe John Fennerman's what the

998
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: Democratic Party means. Like that is not going to be

999
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: the direction the base wants to go in of k

1000
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: of now being like, Oh, I'm going to go and

1001
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: have a meeting with Trump and I'm going to.

1002
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: Back his priority with the Lake and Riley Act.

1003
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: And I'm going to basically sound like a Republican on

1004
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: any manner of things. That is not what the base

1005
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: is going to want. So while you know, I think

1006
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: the most likely direction is that the next Democratic nominee

1007
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: is someone like a Gavin Newsom, some very standard you know,

1008
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: you know, cut from the normal Democratic cloth. There is

1009
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: more of an opening now than there was previously because

1010
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: of the way that the trust in those liberal institutions

1011
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: has been broken, and Democrats are really going to have

1012
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: a like whose side are you on moment because the

1013
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: way that you have to combat the you know, the

1014
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: Trumpest view of the world is with your own worldview

1015
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: that points the finger in a different direction and says,

1016
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: actually the problem, you know, these Robert Baron oligarchs that

1017
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: he surrounded himself with, they're the problem. And this is

1018
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: actually a good transition into the next block, because as

1019
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: of right now, most Democrats want to have their cake

1020
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: and eat it too. They want to complain about elon

1021
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 2: which you know, I'm the first to do right correct

1022
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: the problem of oligarchy and government, big problem. But you

1023
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: don't get to then still say but we're going to

1024
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: take our money from our billionaires, because those are the

1025
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: quote unquote good billionaires. And most of these Democrats who

1026
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: are in positions of power, it's not because they had

1027
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: an inspiring vision. It's not because they have a grassroots base.

1028
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: There a few exceptions. It's not because they were like

1029
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: good at delivering for their district. It's because they were

1030
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: good at sucking up to rich people and separating them

1031
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: from their money. And so the minute you change course

1032
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: on that, the minute many of these people lose what

1033
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: has been their claim to and grip on power. So

1034
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: that's where the rubber is going to meet the road

1035
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: with regard to the Democratic Party. But I know for

1036
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: many normal Democrats it has been radicalizing to watch so

1037
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: many of their liberal media figures and liberal political icons

1038
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: just basically laid down in these early days of the

1039
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: Trump av.

1040
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: Estion and again. You know they care about power. That

1041
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: was the way to get it. Now they've got to

1042
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: figure out what's next. Let's quickly just do this Bill

1043
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 3: Gates thing just because it is funny and it gets

1044
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: to what you're talking about. Let's go ahead and put

1045
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: this up there on the screen. Bill Gates gave an

1046
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: interview to The Sunday Times where he said a lot

1047
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: of interesting stuff. He said he was very stupid to

1048
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 3: be caught.

1049
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Being with Jeffrey Epstein. Do you remember did you hear

1050
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: the operative word there? What was the operative word? It

1051
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: was to be caught with Jeffrey Epstein.

1052
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 3: Okay, but on elon, here's what he had to say,

1053
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: he said. He said, it's really insane. He can destabilize

1054
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: the political situations and countries. I think in the US

1055
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: foreigners aren't allowed to give money. Other countries maybe should

1056
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: adopt safeguards to make sure super rich foreigners aren't distorting

1057
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: their elections. The Microsoft founder said he was not at

1058
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: all concerned about influencing politics like Musk.

1059
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: However, he has told friends.

1060
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: He has since donated fifty million dollars to Democratic nominee

1061
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. He said he obviously criticizes him about the

1062
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: AfD and about Nigel Faraj in the UK, but he

1063
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: also offers muted praise for MUCKs.

1064
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: He said, Musk, we can all overreach.

1065
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 3: If someone is super smart, and he is, they should

1066
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: think about how they can help out. But this is populous, stirring,

1067
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 3: and what I think is really funny throughout this is

1068
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: Gates trying to square. He's like you just said, He's like,

1069
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 3: he's got his hatred of Elon. He doesn't like Elon

1070
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: for being kind of like a cultural trader. But whenever

1071
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 3: it comes to this idea of influencing politics or world politics,

1072
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have to be the first one

1073
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: to tell you that nobody has influenced politics in Africa

1074
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: probably more than any other American than Bill Gates through

1075
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. I mean, the Bill

1076
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 3: and Melinda Gates Foundation is basically a private USAID which

1077
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 3: doles out more than USAID and has influenced malaria, AIDS

1078
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: or whatever policy vaccination in those countries. You can be

1079
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 3: fine with that if you think it's good. Some of

1080
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: it's been fine, but you have to also think they're like, dude,

1081
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 3: you're wielding immense power as a nation state. And then

1082
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: you know, not to mention the fifty million dollars for

1083
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris or that's fine. I don't know if you

1084
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 3: saw this, but you know Reid Hoffman is now spending

1085
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: even more money behind the Democratic machine. And there's a

1086
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: hilarious tweet going back to twenty sixteen I'm sure you

1087
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: saw from Sam Altman being like, we all need to

1088
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: credit we all need to credit Reid Hoffman for spending

1089
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: more money than anybody else to defeat Donald Trump. He's like,

1090
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: what a hero this guy is. I mean read is

1091
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: the biggest single donor I think in the entire Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: So yes, look Elon and all that. It's extraordinary, right,

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Speaker 3: But if you actually look at the equivalent number or

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Speaker 3: whatever a billionaires, I think that there were they're either

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Speaker 3: more or like in terms of the overall absolute number

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Speaker 3: who would endorse Kamala Harris who had been giving to them?

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Speaker 3: And you know, you haven't even seen this because we've

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Speaker 3: been doing the show. Gary Peters, the senator from Michigan,

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Speaker 3: says he won't run in twenty six We all know

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Speaker 3: who lives in Michigan, maybe Pete, you know.

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Speaker 2: So they're going to governor there too. Yeah, well I

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Speaker 2: prefer that to him running for president.

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Speaker 3: No, but this will be the stepping stone, Crystal. He'll

1104
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Speaker 3: pull an RFK the senior not junior in terms of

1105
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: running in two years and then immediately vault or an

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Speaker 3: Obama or a JD vance. You know, this is what

1107
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Speaker 3: these people do. So you know, you know the amount

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: of money that's behind Pete Boots.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And Boomers love Pete Pete.

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Speaker 4: They love to watch him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I enjoy why he's good at like going

1113
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: on Fox News and like doing the thing. And I

1114
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: do worry that that's going to substitute for like.

1115
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Speaker 4: An actual change erection because there are.

1116
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: So many liberals who just love to see him be

1117
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: able to like go into lines and same thing with

1118
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, which I get, but you you're going to

1119
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: need something more than that if you're actually going to

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Speaker 2: make a material difference in people's lives and be able

1121
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Speaker 2: to fight back against this, you know, the right wing

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00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Trumpet movement, you know. Just going back to Bill Gates

1123
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Speaker 2: here for a second, there's the p as you mentioned. Also,

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Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time covering on Rising the

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Speaker 2: way that he was so influential in shaping the COVID

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Speaker 2: vaccine response and making it so that it was controlled

1127
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: by these private, big pharma companies because he's a big

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Speaker 2: believer in patents, rather than making it widely available and

1129
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, a public good, so that the entire world

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Speaker 2: could benefit from it and not just you know, originally

1131
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: primarily the developed world. So he, you know, even on

1132
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: that was very influential. And then to hold up the

1133
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: US model of campaign finance like it's anything to be

1134
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: emulated is fricking insane, right, It's insane. Yes, we do

1135
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: bar foreigners from contributing, that is the one good thing

1136
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 2: you can say about it. But there is no way

1137
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: in hell that we should have the system that we

1138
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: have where Bill Gates can give fifty million or Elon

1139
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: Musk can give a quarter of a billion, probably more,

1140
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: in order to elect their favored candidate.

1141
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Speaker 4: That is crazy.

1142
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Speaker 2: And I can tell you all day long, which is

1143
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: true that a Kamala had a larger number of billionaires

1144
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: who endorsed her. Trump had a larger concentration of a

1145
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: handful was like three billionaires who gave them something like

1146
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: half a billion dollars. So that's why they've ended up

1147
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: with such extraordinary power Elon in particular, Miriam Madison as

1148
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: well in this administration. So I can tell you how

1149
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: this is different in terms of the scale. But anyone

1150
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: can look and say, well what about Bill Gates, Well

1151
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 2: what about George Soros? Well what about Reed Hoffman? And

1152
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: how much does my little like parsying of Oh, but

1153
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: technically they didn't give as much as this one or

1154
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: no one cares because they also had way too much power,

1155
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: way too much influence, shape everything about the Democratic Party

1156
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: in terms of what policies they're really going to fight for,

1157
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: what they're really going to pursue, who's going to be

1158
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: in their administration, what those priorities are ultimately going to be.

1159
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Speaker 4: So Democrats, if.

1160
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Speaker 2: You actually want to have a compelling political alternative trump Ism,

1161
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: you have to reject all. There are no good billionaires.

1162
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: You have to reject it all. You have to do

1163
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: it aggressively. It has to be clear what side you

1164
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: are actually on. And you know, there is a lot

1165
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: of polling out there that the Achilles heel of this

1166
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: Trump administration is how much influenced these billionaires have. People

1167
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: hate it right. Elon's approval rating has fallen off a cliff.

1168
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: He's dramatically unpopular. Now that was not the case in

1169
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: the past. They are really skeptical of even Doge, which

1170
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised at because just the like, oh government efficiency,

1171
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: like that sounds good, but because it's seen as this

1172
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: billionaire project a lot of skepticism. You only have twelve

1173
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: percent of Americans who say they like the idea of

1174
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: billionaires advising government.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: To me, this is the potential Achilles heel for this administration.

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Speaker 2: But if you're around there still, you know, in league

1178
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Speaker 2: with Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman, and that is the

1179
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: center of gravity in your party, and you are not

1180
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: willing to make a clean, clear break with them, then

1181
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: all of your complaints about that are going to fall

1182
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: on deaf ears and you will be seen as hypocrites.

1183
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: And I've mentioned this several times, but I think it

1184
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: is so emblematic. The lead candidate for DNC chair right now,

1185
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Speaker 2: Ken Martin, I'm sure has other things to recommend him.

1186
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Speaker 4: I know people like him, know him whatever.

1187
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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about him other than he ran

1188
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: a state party, okay, and when he got asked about

1189
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: money in politics, he said, of course, we're going to

1190
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Speaker 2: continue to take money from good billionaires good billionaires.

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Speaker 3: And who's one of the leading candidates to become the

1192
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: nominee in twenty twenty eight, JB. Pritzker, who bragged on

1193
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Speaker 3: the DNC stage that he was an actual billionaire. You know,

1194
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: I mean, that's another one which drives me crazy. It's like,

1195
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 3: did you earn it? You're an air Is there anything

1196
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 3: more grotesque in the American tradition than the billionaire air? Well,

1197
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: it's a universally despised person.

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00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: A page from the Trumpian playbook, where you know, first

1199
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Speaker 2: time he was like, well, I'm a billionaire, so I

1200
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: don't need.

1201
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Speaker 4: These people's money. He could pull that page. But I mean,

1202
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 4: he is, but he hasn't. No, he hasn't. He's done

1203
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: a decent job.

1204
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Speaker 2: I don't know enough to like lay out all of

1205
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: his track record, but I know he's done some things

1206
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: that were positive in the state and in some ways

1207
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: been you know, in certain instances a class trader.

1208
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Speaker 4: But he is not. He is not.

1209
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Speaker 2: You really need an outsider, you do, because all of

1210
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: these other people are too infected in the way things

1211
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: are currently in the Democratic Party and their current way

1212
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: of thinking and their current power structures, et cetera. So,

1213
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 2: in any case, Bill Gates, you're right about Elon Musk,

1214
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: but you need to look in the mirror, buddy, You

1215
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: need to look.

1216
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 4: In the mirror.

1217
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that's gonna be happening, all right.

1218
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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for joining us. We really appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Its a great counterpoint show for everyone tomorrow, and we

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Speaker 3: will see you all on Thursday.