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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump promised to cut electricity

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Speaker 1: rates in half. They're up eighteen percent. We have such

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Speaker 1: a great joke for you today the good liars. Jason

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Speaker 1: Selvig talks to us about all the lies the GOP

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Speaker 1: is telling about the Iran war, and Mitch McConnell. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to the mid coast villagers Alex Siteswald about

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Speaker 1: the very interesting turns in the center race in Maine.

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Speaker 1: But first the news Somali.

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Speaker 2: Trump gotten out with the tariffs when the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: said that they were not legal, and yet he has

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Speaker 2: decided no, I'm going to find a way around this

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Speaker 2: to tariff Canada for pollution.

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Speaker 1: So here's what's happening. Remember the Supreme Court said you

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Speaker 1: can't do the tariffs its emergency powers. This is not emergency. Actually,

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Speaker 1: this unusual new law is from Smooth Holly. It is

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Speaker 1: a law from the nineteen thirties. It was passed during

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Speaker 1: the Great Depression, which I think is amazing. He's using

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Speaker 1: it to punish Canada for forest fires. Okay, he's using

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Speaker 1: it to punish Canada for forest fires, wild forest fires

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Speaker 1: happening with more frequency because of climate change. What is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump very uninterested in addressing climate change? What is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump very focused on fighting with Canada? And that

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Speaker 1: is why we have him putting in these smooth Holly

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Speaker 1: tariffs on Canada. Again, my gas is that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: will forget about this. But this is a never before

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Speaker 1: you section three three eight of the nineteen thirty Smooth

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Speaker 1: Holly Tariff Act. So this is the maximum penalty allied

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Speaker 1: by law fifty percent duties. Just want to point out

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Speaker 1: it's bad for Canada, it's bad for us, it's bad

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Speaker 1: for everyone. And like the other thing is that there's

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Speaker 1: no way the courts are going to go along with this, okay,

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Speaker 1: And again, the really important part of the story is

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Speaker 1: this is a zombie law like the Comstock Act that

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Speaker 1: people thought they Democrats and other politicians thought they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have to repeal because no one would be stupid enough

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Speaker 1: to go back to nineteen thirties laws and put them

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Speaker 1: back on the books. But here we go. And so

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Speaker 1: this is a really I think it's important that when

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Speaker 1: Democrats get back into power, they make sure to put

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Speaker 1: in place the kind of anti corruption measures that we

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Speaker 1: saw after Nixon and Watergate. They need to regulate. They're

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Speaker 1: going to need to get, you know, laws like this

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Speaker 1: off the books for once and for all. You know,

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Speaker 1: section three three eight of these smooth holly terror fact

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but here we are, okay. So Governor Mikey Cheryl

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Speaker 2: had an announcement today that they found that there was

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Speaker 2: an error in the automatic registration that happens at the DMV.

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Speaker 2: For people who don't know, I use this to register

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Speaker 2: to vote for the first time that when you get

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Speaker 2: your license at the DMV, they automatically registered to vote

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Speaker 2: as long as your citizen. It registered. Roughly six thousand

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Speaker 2: non citizens, four hundred which have voted. So now what

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Speaker 2: we're going to hear for the rest of our lives

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Speaker 2: is illegal voting in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't one of them a Trump voter. There was a

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Speaker 1: person who was not a citizen who got deported, but

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Speaker 1: before they got deported, they voted for Trump. Yeah, or

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Speaker 1: this is the bad place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not good.

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Speaker 1: My analysis is this is really really bad. All six

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Speaker 1: six hundred people will be removed from the voter role.

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Speaker 1: They all answered no when asked on a keypad whether

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Speaker 1: they were United States citizens, but a mistake was made.

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Speaker 1: Four hundred dollars people voted. If you think about how

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Speaker 1: many people are in New Jersey, how many people are

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Speaker 1: not New Jersey resident, someone who grew up in New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: It's almost ten million.

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Speaker 1: Almost ten million people live in New Jersey. Four hundred

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Speaker 1: illegal votes probably not going to do much, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to hear a lot about this from Trump world

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Speaker 1: because this is exactly what they are hoping for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so RFK Junior is playing politics when he's not

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Speaker 3: and he's holding Medicare funds for Blue states.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's no proof of fraud. But again this

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Speaker 1: is like Trump is really just president for the Red States.

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Speaker 1: The Trump administration announced its pausing a billion dollars in Medicaid, right,

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Speaker 1: that's for people who can't afford it, and Medicare, which

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Speaker 1: is for older people. Payments to California and Minnesota. Accusing

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Speaker 1: each state of widespread fraud. This is from Health and

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Speaker 1: Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior and celebrity doctor

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Speaker 1: doctor Memdas. They made announcement of press conference on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: accusing recipients of the program of suspective fraud and non compliance.

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Speaker 1: Now you'll remember Trump World obsessed with Minnesota because of

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Speaker 1: a dumb dumb called Nick Shirley. Nick Shirley, mister Medicare fraud,

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Speaker 1: doesn't know how to reach, gets very confused and make

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Speaker 1: some mistakes. Vice President Vance is running this is one

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Speaker 1: of his midterm issues is fraud is widespread fraud when

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Speaker 1: it comes to public services. The reason they're doing this

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Speaker 1: is this is like, this should remind you a lot

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Speaker 1: of what happened with Doge. Right. The idea is that

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Speaker 1: remember Doge was coming to get fined waste, fraud and abuse.

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Speaker 1: But what did they really find. Well, they created a

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Speaker 1: lot of waste. They canceled a lot of contracts that

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Speaker 1: they had to re Remember, they stopped monitoring the screw worm,

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Speaker 1: which then populated the beef supply.

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Speaker 2: Now we have the highest prices of beef of all time.

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Speaker 1: Yep I remember, right, So these are these are these

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Speaker 1: like penny wise pound foolish kind of things. But now

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Speaker 1: they're just freezing the money. And like Trump did this

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Speaker 1: in his first term road freeze money, you know, when

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Speaker 1: he felt like it. And that's what this is. This

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Speaker 1: is like a little bit of the Autocrat. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's part autocrat, part just corruption. And you know, who

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Speaker 1: knows how long they'll hold the money. In the past,

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Speaker 1: when they've done this, states have appealed the cuts in

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Speaker 1: court and won, and I think that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: So Minnesota and California will sue to get their funding back.

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Speaker 1: But MAGA will have their press conference and they'll get

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Speaker 1: to see rf case taken on the lips by cutting

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Speaker 1: funding for poor people and elderly people.

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Speaker 2: So nice of them. So the headline, I have to

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Speaker 2: tell you, threw me for a loop. It said Mike

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Speaker 2: Johnson backspan on lawmakers dating hill staff, and I thought

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Speaker 2: to myself, we don't have a ban on dating hill staff.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they don't, And in fact, there's been quite a

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Speaker 1: lot of dating hill staff, both on the left and

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Speaker 1: the right. Republicans are trying to address these sex misconduct

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Speaker 1: scandals in the House, but the problem is it's very

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Speaker 1: hard to address the sex misconduct scandals in your workplace

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Speaker 1: when your big boss is Donald Trump, right like, you

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Speaker 1: want to take on sex misconduct and you are being

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Speaker 1: rice married adulterer who has numerous allegations and has just

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Speaker 1: had to pay Eugene Carroll five million dollars. So it's

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Speaker 1: a little problematic for them. So they're trying to do

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Speaker 1: these sort of grand gestures. Here's Camick, we've heard from

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Speaker 1: her before. She is from Florida, trying to you know,

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Speaker 1: not offend Donald Trump while still doing this. If you're

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Speaker 1: a member, you really should not be doing that because

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Speaker 1: you have extraordinary power and authority over that individual's career,

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Speaker 1: even if they're not in your office. There is a

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Speaker 1: massive power dynamic imbalance. Anything they do is good, but

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Speaker 1: I just am very suspicious of this administration and anything

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do. You remember they had, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez and Eric Swawell both resigned at the same time.

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Speaker 1: There's still Max Miller in the House who has all

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Speaker 1: sorts of allegations of domestic violence against the daughter of

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Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Marino and then there's Corey Mills, who is

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Speaker 1: also under ethics investigation for allegations at Enter on domestic abuse,

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Speaker 1: stolen valor, and financial misconduct, all of which he denies.

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Speaker 4: Great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Jason Salvig is one half of the Good Liars. Welcome, Welcome, Jason.

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Speaker 5: It's so good to be back here.

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Speaker 6: You're sounding much better than the last time I was here,

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Speaker 6: which is great news for.

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Speaker 5: You and me and the listeners. More importantly, the listeners.

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Speaker 1: I think, yes, it's just normal vocal fry and not

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Speaker 1: like worse vocal fry. So we have this very interesting

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Speaker 1: inflection point, interesting moment in Trump world where there are

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Speaker 1: so many lies that it is hard. You know, you

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Speaker 1: have everything needs to be couched with allegedly. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: but my new favorite alleged conspiracy theory. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: redo a headline from Fox News. Perhaps you've heard of it.

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Speaker 5: Left yea name liberal rag Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Governor Kentucky governor says he received two calls from agencies

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Speaker 1: indicating McConnell has passed. He did not specify which agencies

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Speaker 6: Discuss well, I think it's very interesting what's happening with

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Speaker 6: Mitch McConnell and basically the Senior Citizen Center, that is

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Speaker 6: the United States Senator right now and the White House,

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Speaker 6: you know for the last six, I guess almost ten years.

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Speaker 1: Let the record show we laugh to keep from crying.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yes, that's true, that is very true.

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Speaker 6: But I will you have a sitting US senator, former

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Speaker 6: majority leader, who is holding a newspaper up like it's

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Speaker 6: a hostage video as a proof of life. Yeah, the

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Speaker 6: current sports page that just happened to be sitting on

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Speaker 6: his lap, and that picture is supposed to be by them.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how long has that been, now eight

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Speaker 6: when there's video of him being rushed out of his

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Speaker 6: don't wish ill on anybody, but like you, if you're

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Speaker 6: And he he's not talking, he's he's it's all like

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Speaker 6: I talked to him the other day. He's doing great.

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Speaker 6: It's all from the most suspect sources or saying like

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Speaker 6: he more energy than I've ever seen before, you know, running.

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Speaker 1: With Mitch McConnell the other day, So says CNN pundit

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Speaker 1: and noted truth teller Scott Scott Scott Jennings noted truth teller.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, he's the reliable source. And he's like, I

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Speaker 6: talked to him now. I did like that he was

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Speaker 6: put on the spot. They're like, well, give him a

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Speaker 5: But like, there are actual implications to this.

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Speaker 6: If you know, if he is not able to perform

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Speaker 6: his duties and to represent the people of the state

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Speaker 6: of Kentucky, there needs to be.

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Speaker 5: Somebody who can.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know how long they can punt on this,

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Speaker 6: but it's it's kind of the norm a little bit

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Speaker 6: a lot of people who are representing us who have

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Speaker 6: means that they're there for life, and they're appointed for life,

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Speaker 6: and so do the voters really because of the two

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Speaker 6: party system. But they're like, yes, this is the person

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Speaker 6: forty years.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to add one thing. The reason

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Speaker 1: allegedly not alive is because there's a democratic governor in

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Speaker 1: Kentucky and so Andy Buscher's. Again, historically the governor would

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Speaker 6: Then I think that's showing that like they're not going

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Speaker 1: Deadhead. We don't have like a president for someone who

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's gonna end corruption while he's selling a

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Speaker 6: news cycle, then that becomes it's hammered in their head

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Speaker 6: like twenty times a day if they're people that are

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Speaker 6: just watching cable news or looking at their phone and

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Speaker 6: reading his social feed, So then that comes that will

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Speaker 6: come out to the surface at Trump rallies when you

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Speaker 6: like people will bring if Trump's talking about Greenland, They're

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Speaker 6: going to talk about that, like that's a huge issue

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Speaker 6: for them at the time. So it really depends on

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Speaker 6: what he decides is his big issue of the day,

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Speaker 6: like the World Cup. I wonder if we would have

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Speaker 6: talked to people two weeks ago about the US like

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Speaker 6: red card, if they would have been like, this is

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Speaker 6: the most important issue right now.

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Speaker 1: Bernie Marine Now had a tweet about Trump's speech last

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Speaker 1: week that was like, this is going to be the thing.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that Trump gave a speech last week?

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Speaker 5: No, when was this speech?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: The speech? Yes, of course, the speech. Yeah, a speech

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Speaker 5: that we.

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Speaker 1: Have to like redo our elections so that I don't lose.

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Speaker 6: This is how uninformed I am about it. And this

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Speaker 6: is here I'm just saying I'm just so important.

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Speaker 1: But it's more just that it disappeared, right.

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Speaker 6: I was going to say, I didn't, I like was

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Speaker 6: I tuned into CNN to watch it, and then because

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Speaker 6: I knew ABC and they didn't hear it, and I

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Speaker 6: was like, how is this going to start? And then

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Speaker 6: I realized about like three minutes they do it, like, oh,

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Speaker 6: it's happening over here.

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Speaker 5: That was but it was like batshit. That was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, but it was. But it's gone right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically Trump wants Republicans to pass the Say Act.

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Speaker 1: Then maybe they will and maybe they won't, but actually

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Speaker 1: they can't so they don't have the votes.

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Speaker 6: But him yelling at people, like when he just took

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Speaker 6: like a minute to just scold the camera and be

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Speaker 6: like they don't want to pass it because of this

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Speaker 6: and that, and like he starts like pouting. Almost that

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Speaker 6: would be. It's just like you always think back to

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Speaker 6: like the Howard Dean the moment, and you're like, that

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Speaker 6: is the moment. Like there is a moment every day

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Speaker 6: with Trump where a normal politician would just be gone.

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Speaker 1: It's the mugshot face. The pout is the mugshot face

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Speaker 1: that he makes because he thinks it makes him look

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Speaker 1: like Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 6: Oh really, that's just like Poudy lips thing. It's like

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Speaker 6: he's taking it selfie like right two thousand and nine

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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's duck lips. But when ducks duck lips

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Speaker 1: does Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 5: It, it's beautiful, It's beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, he's like just like putting

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Speaker 6: on lipstick in the mirror.

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Speaker 1: That's right, duck face.

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Speaker 6: But the speech like part of me wants him to

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Speaker 6: keep talking about this stuff just because it's such a

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Speaker 6: loser and it's like.

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Speaker 5: Makes him look like such a loser.

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Speaker 6: And especially they released all these documents and there was

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Speaker 6: no proof of the thing that he says he was

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Speaker 6: gonna release proof on.

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Speaker 1: That reminds me of Bill Barr, Like don't you know

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Speaker 1: you can just cliff note what things say? And I

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Speaker 1: mean that is remember like you have Elon really mad

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Speaker 1: that Gronk tells truth, right, like trying to get a

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Speaker 1: more conservative groc. I mean, the whole idea here, and

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Speaker 1: this is somewhat of the Fox News theory is like

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Speaker 1: if you just tell people what's in it and they

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Speaker 1: don't read it themselves, which of course they won't, then

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Speaker 1: you can kind of get ahead of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, I mean, I guess that's true.

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Speaker 6: And I know when we go to the next Trump

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Speaker 6: rally that we're going to hear from people who are

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Speaker 6: going to say it proved that the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 6: was stolen. It's been proven just because Trump said it

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Speaker 6: was stolen and he said he released documents and made

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Speaker 6: a claim that was like connecting it, but he never

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Speaker 6: explicitly said anything that actually happened, which is just like,

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Speaker 6: it's just wild that a sitting president can say an

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Speaker 6: election was stolen and provide no proof. He was also

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Speaker 6: the president when it happened, and we just go about

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Speaker 6: our daily lives like this is it. This is a

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Speaker 6: normal This is our normal lives now with the president

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Speaker 6: the United States saying the elections are not fair in the.

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Speaker 1: Country, but you do have that moment where you say

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Speaker 1: that to them and they're like yeah, like.

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Speaker 6: They believe what he says, even if absolutely, and it's

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it's been People are more doubled

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Speaker 6: down on it more recently, but a lot of people,

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Speaker 6: like unprompted, have talked about like how he should have

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Speaker 6: another term because of twenty twenty, because of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 6: which makes no sense. And I always walk people through

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Speaker 6: like this is still his second term.

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Speaker 5: He won.

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Speaker 6: Nobody's debating he won. How could why would he get

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Speaker 6: a third term now because of twenty twenty when he's

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Speaker 6: already president again for the second time. And they're like

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Speaker 6: it should be a makeup, he should have it as

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Speaker 6: a makeup, and.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 6: I have moments where I'm like, where did they get this?

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Speaker 6: And then I'm like, oh, yeah, Trump said that.

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Speaker 4: He said it.

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Speaker 6: He was like, I should have this again because it

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Speaker 6: was stolen, even though like if you follow the life

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Speaker 6: and the constant logic and the Constitution, it makes no

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Speaker 6: sense what he's what he's saying, but it's still being

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Speaker 6: repeated by the Trump supporters where they have will go

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Speaker 6: on to say, I will violate the constitution if he's running,

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Speaker 6: I will vote for him, even if it's in violation

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Speaker 6: of the Constitution. I will I want him to be

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Speaker 6: elected if he says he wants to run.

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Speaker 1: And my man will be like eighty three.

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Speaker 5: No, I know, eight will maybe eighty seven when he

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Speaker 5: when he would leave.

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Speaker 1: Off, I mean like eighty eight, eighty seven, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, he may he may be able to defy

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Speaker 1: the laws of political gravity, but I'm not sure he

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Speaker 1: can defy the laws of nature.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, if you look at his that I

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Speaker 6: think I pluyed before the speech that didn't air on CNN.

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Speaker 5: When I was watching it.

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Speaker 6: They showed a clip of him in twenty sixteen when

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Speaker 6: he was like and Russia and China. If you've got

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Speaker 6: Hillary's emails, like, let let's see him. And he's he's

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Speaker 6: gotten a lot older. I mean he physically looks older,

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Speaker 6: and then like mentally the way he talks now if

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Speaker 6: you look at him in the nineties and even like

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Speaker 6: twenty sixteen first term, something has really slowed down with

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Speaker 6: him in his speech pattern.

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Speaker 1: Jason, Jason, will you come back?

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Speaker 5: Always? Always? You just got to say the word and

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Speaker 5: I will be here. Just call my name and I'll

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Speaker 5: be there.

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Speaker 1: Alex sites Wald is an editor at The Mid Coast Villager. Welcome, Welcome, Alex.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be Mack Molly, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Maine. We had Platner, the allegations

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Speaker 1: of rape, allegations of a lot of other stuff, gets

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Speaker 1: out of the race, and Maine decides they want to

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Speaker 1: do something different. And what's so interesting to me about

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Speaker 1: this is the establishment had gone for Janet Mills, right,

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Speaker 1: she had gotten the Schumer endorsement, she was the candidate,

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Speaker 1: and because she is a go though she's extremely old

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Speaker 1: and she would be eighty four right at the end

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Speaker 1: of her first term. And what happened was that instead

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Speaker 1: of going with her, they actually went and did a convention,

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Speaker 1: so talk us through what Main Democrats did.

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Speaker 7: The Main Democratic Party was put in a pretty impossible

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Speaker 7: situation here.

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Speaker 4: Grand Platner dropped out July tenth.

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Speaker 7: They had a legal deadline of July twenty seventh to

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Speaker 7: come up with a new nominee, so they could have

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Speaker 7: just you know, had a closed door meeting, hashed it

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Speaker 7: out pick somebody. Instead they opened it up to this

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Speaker 7: process that's a little byzantine, but you elect delegates at

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Speaker 7: county conventions, and then the county those delegates go to

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Speaker 7: the state convention, which is going to be next weekend.

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Speaker 7: But we don't even really need to get there because

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Speaker 7: Troy Jackson, who is the most Platner aligned candidate out there,

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Speaker 7: both endorsed by Bernie, both had worked together for a

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Speaker 7: long time.

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Speaker 4: He has the backing of Labour unions.

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Speaker 7: He just totally cleaned up at these county caucuses, I

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Speaker 7: mean swept them almost one hundred percent of the vote

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Speaker 7: in both of our two counties here, he got one

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Speaker 7: hundred percent of the available delegates just running circles around

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Speaker 7: the other candidates. So a very different election than you know,

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Speaker 7: actually running. But it does show something an ability to

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Speaker 7: organize insiders. He was the former state Senate president, so

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Speaker 7: he knows how toccount votes and having the labor unions

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Speaker 7: on his side was definitely really helpful too.

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Speaker 1: So what I think is interesting about Troy Jackson is

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Speaker 1: that so he cleaned up right like there wasn't even

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Speaker 1: a second place. Everybody just dropped out, like it really

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Speaker 1: was like he was the nominee, came in Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: he came in third in the governor's primary, So make

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Speaker 1: that make sense.

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Speaker 7: I think Troy Jackson is not the kind of guy

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Speaker 7: who could have won the Democratic primary just period, you know,

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Speaker 7: full stop. And it's not that much of a hot

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Speaker 7: take because as you said, he just ran for statewide

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Speaker 7: office and you know, did fine.

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Speaker 1: And came in third.

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Speaker 4: Came in third.

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Speaker 1: Who was the guy who came in second?

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Speaker 7: Narrov Shaw, the former CDC director of Maine who was

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Speaker 7: on TV all the time kind of seen as a

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Speaker 7: you know, pragmatic, middle of the road guy, not a

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Speaker 7: not a politician so in outside are in his own way,

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Speaker 7: but a more kind of moderate one. And then this woman,

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Speaker 7: Hammon Pingree won and there's also Shannon Bellows and both

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Speaker 7: of these are the same figures in both of these races.

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Speaker 7: But Troy Jackson is almost the the LBJ two Platner's JFK. Like,

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Speaker 7: I don't think Troy Jackson could have won the election

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Speaker 7: on his own, but now that Platner built this huge movement,

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Speaker 7: he had the communication skills to do it. The main

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Speaker 7: Democratic Party wanted the message and the movement of Grand

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Speaker 7: Platner without the man of Grand Platner, and Troy Jackson

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Speaker 7: is the natural heir to that and maybe somebody who

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Speaker 7: could actually get more done behind the scenes because he

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Speaker 7: does have that legislative experience and you know, actually knows

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Speaker 7: how to pull the levers of power, which this caucus

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Speaker 7: result showed.

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Speaker 1: So he was president in the main Senate and he

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Speaker 1: is actually like a fifth generation manor right, this is.

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Speaker 4: The crazy thing. I mean, Troy Jackson is the guy.

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Speaker 1: That Graham Platner pretended to be.

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Speaker 4: Right, exactly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, then, which raises a whole interesting class discussion about

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Speaker 7: like to be a communicator in modern politics, do you

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Speaker 7: need to have a sort of elite background like I

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Speaker 7: think that was the only way that grand Planner could

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Speaker 7: do that was because he knew how to speak to

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Speaker 7: the New York Times and donors and elites.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Troy Jackson cannot.

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Speaker 8: Like.

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Speaker 7: Actually, the first time I saw both of them was

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Speaker 7: Grand Planner was catering an event for Troy Jackson and

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Speaker 7: he had just gotten the race two days ago, but

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Speaker 7: he had already been booked to cater crazy moment in

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Speaker 7: hindsight now, and people had come to see Troy Jackson.

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Speaker 7: But he gave this rambling speech in his thick North

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Speaker 7: main Woods accent.

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Speaker 4: It's very melancholy.

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Speaker 7: He talks about all his troubles growing up, and then

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Speaker 7: Grand Platners takes this stage and totally electrifies everybody, and

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Speaker 7: they all left me like that's the guy. But Troy

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Speaker 7: Jackson is the real deal. He was born to a

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Speaker 7: sixteen year old mother in Way, northern Maine, right on

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Speaker 7: the Canadian border. He got to start in politics in

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Speaker 7: these kind of crazy wildcat logging union actions where they

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Speaker 7: were physically block roads from Canada to prevent Canadian loggers

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Speaker 7: from coming in in the late eighties. He started in

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Speaker 7: elective office as a social conservative Republican because he's a

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Speaker 7: Catholic guy, and then he kind of had a saw

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Speaker 7: the light became a Democrat. Now is fully perfect ratings

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Speaker 7: from Planned Parenthood and LGBT groups.

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Speaker 1: But he was a late ad to being pro choice

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Speaker 1: because he was originally He's like George Conway, very conservative

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Speaker 1: when it comes to abortion exactly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, like a type of Democrat that doesn't really exist anymore,

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Speaker 7: at least in the like a Bob Casey or even

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Speaker 7: a Joe Biden, you know, who were Catholic and progressive

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Speaker 7: on everything else except for abortion and also gay marriage,

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Speaker 7: but then he totally changed views on that. And yeah,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't talk with the pizazz of a Platiner. But

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Speaker 7: you know, Susan Collins is also not a particularly compelling

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Speaker 7: public speaker, and she's never faced a candidate like this,

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Speaker 7: So I'm really curious how this is going to go.

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Speaker 7: And it's a completely different race than if it was

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Speaker 7: Grand Platner vers Susan Collins.

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Speaker 1: Right, and Sarah Gideon, who was the last time Democrats tried.

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Speaker 1: This was very polished that had him gazillion dollars, but

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Speaker 1: did not feel Maine. Like there's this distinction in Maye

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Speaker 1: in between rural Maine and Portland. And Portland people are

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Speaker 1: sort of just northeastern coastal elites in a way, right

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Speaker 1: north Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: People call it derogatorily.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so explain to us this candidate seems like he's

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Speaker 1: a rural manor.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so Sarah Gideon was from Freeport, which like is

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Speaker 7: where the Lbean store is. You might have been there.

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Speaker 7: It's a Portland suburb. She was coded as from away, like,

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Speaker 7: not of Maine. Platner looked the part, he acted the part.

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Speaker 7: He I think he got a lot of you know,

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Speaker 7: manor credentials. But still, as my colleague, who's a very

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Speaker 7: hardware manor says, even if you were born in Maine,

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Speaker 7: if your parents are not from Maine, he says, if

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Speaker 7: acatus kittens in the oven, it don't mean they're biscuits.

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Speaker 7: So I'm not sure that grand Platner was like a

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Speaker 7: full main biscuit if you follow the metaphor.

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Speaker 1: This is like birthright maners.

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Speaker 7: Yes, very nativist, kind of tendency somewhat jokingly and somewhat not.

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Speaker 7: And then the other big divide is the coast, which

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Speaker 7: is more wealthy, more liberal, and the interior. And on

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Speaker 7: every count, Troy Jackson checks every box. He's like a

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Speaker 7: multi generational maner. He is from not just off the coast,

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Speaker 7: but like one hundred miles in them, I mean crazy,

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Speaker 7: it's like four and a half hours from where I am,

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Speaker 7: which is already two hours north of Portland. And he

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Speaker 7: is a real blue collar guy who comes from a

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Speaker 7: blue collar family and has worked his way up. And

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Speaker 7: maybe he couldn't have won on his own right, but

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Speaker 7: now kind of coming in on the coattails of Platinir maybe.

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Speaker 1: Cam now we need to talk about he has a

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Speaker 1: bad temper, and there are stories from his supporters which

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Speaker 1: I feel like really adds to the story here about

725
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: him throwing water bottles, being obstruperous, getting people mad, getting

726
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Speaker 1: mad at people, screaming at people. So just could have

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Speaker 1: use some effects or something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is like the two big knocks that

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Speaker 7: I always heard on try Jackson. We're not a great

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Speaker 7: communicator and just kind of a tough hang like yeah,

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Speaker 7: even for his staff and supporters, just kind of a grumpy,

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Speaker 7: quick to anger. I moderated a forum with the gubernatorial candidates,

733
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Speaker 7: and he happened to be the one sitting closest to me,

734
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Speaker 7: and I could just hear him audibly sighing when the

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Speaker 7: other candidates were speaking, and he wasn't even like trying

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Speaker 7: to hide it, you know. And then we took one

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Speaker 7: more question from the audience. He's like, so not the

738
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Speaker 7: warm and fuzzy guy. And maybe this is why he

739
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Speaker 7: came in third in the primary. But I will say,

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Speaker 7: I feel like we have to put an asterisk next

741
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Speaker 7: to anybody running for Senate.

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Speaker 4: For me, and who knows what's in their past.

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Speaker 7: Nobody, even if you've been at high levels of politics

744
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Speaker 7: like he has been, it's nothing like being put through

745
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 7: the ringer of a top tier Senate campaign.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see what else comes out.

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Speaker 1: Right, this is the national stage. You can say to

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Speaker 1: a platin or supporter, this guy supports what you support.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I heard and a do

750
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Speaker 1: delay from a friend of mine who's a manor, was

751
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Speaker 1: that she saw people had taken down their Platner signs

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Speaker 1: but put up their Bernie signs, So they wanted people

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Speaker 1: to know that they were While they might be abandoning

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Speaker 1: Grand Platner, they were not abandoning their liberal values.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: And basically Platner's entire volunteer network, like self, migrated to

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Speaker 7: the Jackson campaign and just came over. And they had

758
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Speaker 7: already been working together after Janet Mills dropped out. While

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00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 7: Platner was kind of the you know, heir apparent, the

760
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Speaker 7: obvious guy, he had started working to support Jackson.

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Speaker 4: So there's already deep ties there.

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Speaker 7: And yes, the progressors in the state were very active

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Speaker 7: early on. They were afraid there was going to be

764
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Speaker 7: this kind of bait and switch that you know, Janet

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Speaker 7: Mills or somebody that they perceived as too moderate, would

766
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Speaker 7: they would swoop in and do it. And that's just

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Speaker 7: you know. Now, it ended up being that there weren't

768
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Speaker 7: even there wasn't even really a moderate candidate who ran.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Platner won seventy two percent.

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Speaker 4: Of the vote.

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Speaker 7: The electorate was very clear in what it wanted, and

772
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Speaker 7: they wanted somebody more in the Bernie mold and less

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Speaker 7: in the Hillary or Josh Gottaimmer mote or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So here's a question for you. This is a state

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Speaker 1: that has gone for Democratic presidentials, you know, regularly, but

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Speaker 1: where it's still a swing state, right, Susan Collins keeps

777
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Speaker 1: getting re elected. So the question here is we're going

778
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Speaker 1: to actually I think, see and you tell me if

779
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Speaker 1: I'm getting high on my own supply, because I may

780
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Speaker 1: very well might be what it's like to run a

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Speaker 1: candidate because liberals make this case, and I, being a liberal,

782
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Speaker 1: also make this case. The part of the problem with

783
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Speaker 1: moderates is sometimes you depress the base where you can't

784
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Speaker 1: get the base out for a candidate who's like investment

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Speaker 1: banks are actually good, and so it ends up being

786
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Speaker 1: that you don't get the people you need. You know,

787
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Speaker 1: if you don't get the left out there, then you

788
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Speaker 1: can't make your numbers. So is there a question here?

789
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Speaker 1: I mean, because remember Angus King pretty centrist. What I mean,

790
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Speaker 1: he's an independent, nobody's really a Democrat. Susan Collins a

791
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Speaker 1: Republican but you know, pretends to not be but votes

792
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Speaker 1: with Republicans. So I mean, is that what we will

793
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Speaker 1: see in this election?

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Speaker 7: I think the Jackson is going to be in a

795
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Speaker 7: good place to contest this election. I think the progressive

796
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 7: base is going to be pretty satisfied just by having

797
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Speaker 7: him on the ballot. I mean there'll be stuff that

798
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Speaker 7: he'll have to deal with, of course, but all of

799
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Speaker 7: his you know, his past stance on abortion in lgebat

800
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Speaker 7: that's that's been litigated before. It will it will come

801
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 7: up again because there's an audience that didn't see it.

802
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Speaker 7: But but he's like, you know, dealt with that for it,

803
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 7: made peace with it for years. So I think he

804
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 7: can focus on appealing to the core of Susan collins

805
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 7: winning strategy, which are the people who do cross both sides,

806
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Speaker 7: and I think he'll he'll have the leash to be

807
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 7: able to do that. He already on just kind of

808
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 7: cultural competency, if you will. You know, he clearly can

809
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 7: speak rural white America because that that is who he is,

810
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Speaker 7: so I think that will help him there. And then

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Speaker 7: the other key thing, or the key demographic is educated

812
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Speaker 7: women on the coast. That's kind of been Susan Collins's

813
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 7: sweet spot. Those are the people who will vote for

814
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Speaker 7: Joe Biden and then vote for her. So I think

815
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Speaker 7: he can now he's in a position where he can

816
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Speaker 7: basically focus all his energy on trying to win those

817
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Speaker 7: people and then cut some of the margins that Democrats

818
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Speaker 7: typically get in the rural areas, and he doesn't need

819
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Speaker 7: to win them, but if he can lose them by less,

820
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Speaker 7: that can go a long way.

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Speaker 4: And he's well positioned to do that.

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Speaker 1: But here's a wrinkle in this situation that I'd love

823
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Speaker 1: you to talk about. So Jared Golden had this district

824
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Speaker 1: that was very rural. He was able to keep that

825
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Speaker 1: district by appearing more conservative. Can this guy pick up

826
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Speaker 1: those voters or can he pick up some of them?

827
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Speaker 1: Just where will he pick up the voters?

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Speaker 4: It's a great question.

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Speaker 7: Joe Golden is a very controversial figure among main Democrats

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Speaker 7: I personally, and I mean I think just the facts

831
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Speaker 7: speak for themselves. I think he's been an incredible electoral

832
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Speaker 7: success and basically is not running because he got pushed

833
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Speaker 7: out of his own party by getting a Democratic primary challenge.

834
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Speaker 7: The guy who's now running in the second congressional district,

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Speaker 7: which includes Troy Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Who probably can't win.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't want to be too bold in

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Speaker 7: any predictions about main politics these days, but yeah, I

839
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Speaker 7: would not bet say Trump plus what Trump plus ten district?

840
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Speaker 7: It's the most rural district East of the Mississippi River.

841
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Speaker 4: It's massive, It's ninety two percent of the state, just enormous.

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Speaker 7: And I went to these small towns in western main

843
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Speaker 7: where Jared Goulden would walk in a parade, and there

844
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Speaker 7: I literally saw people wearing Trump hats and Trump shirts

845
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Speaker 7: and come up to him and shake his hand and say,

846
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Speaker 7: you know you're a Democrat, but I like you, and

847
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Speaker 7: you speak your mind and we don't always agree.

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Speaker 4: He was able to do that.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that Troy Jackson is necessarily going to

850
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Speaker 7: be able to do that, but he doesn't need to.

851
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Speaker 7: That district is much more conservative than the state is

852
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Speaker 7: as a whole, and by doing a couple of small

853
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Speaker 7: things he can really make a big difference. He can

854
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 7: try to eat at the Collins core support, which are

855
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 7: the people who think that she's good for the state,

856
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Speaker 7: even if they don't think she's great for the country

857
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Speaker 7: as a whole. She brings back a lot of money,

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Speaker 7: great constituent services. Everybody knows her, and I think he

859
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Speaker 7: can also just cut the margins in the places in

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Speaker 7: the Jared Golden places, and Jared gold was all about that,

861
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Speaker 7: like he would spend days and days and weeks campaigning

862
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Speaker 7: in these towns that he knew he was going to lose,

863
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Speaker 7: but he wanted to lose sixty forty instead of seventy thirty,

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Speaker 7: and that made the math work elsewhere. And it's worth

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Speaker 7: noting that nobody, no Democrat, has one statewide in Maine

866
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Speaker 7: without being from the second Congressional District, which is this

867
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Speaker 7: district that we're talking about. And Troe Jackson is from

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Speaker 7: the second district, as was Grand Platner.

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Speaker 1: And is Augustus King. Pengus King is not but Angus King, right,

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Speaker 1: And he was a Republican Originally.

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Speaker 7: He was a Republican, then he was governor as an independent,

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Speaker 7: and then I ran for centered as an independent.

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Speaker 1: This is so interesting, I mean it really will be.

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Speaker 1: Will learn a lot of stuff from Maine from what

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Speaker 1: happens to Maine, I think so.

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Speaker 7: And if you know on this this little political tour

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Speaker 7: of Maine that the country is getting, You've seen the coasts,

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Speaker 7: now you've seen the oysters in Platiner, and now we

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Speaker 7: get to venture to a whole new territory with its

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Speaker 7: own amazing quirks and mysteries.

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Speaker 1: Would the governorship just tell me what that race looks like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So, the Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 7: There is Hannah Pingree, who's a local to my I

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Speaker 7: can look out and see the island that she is

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Speaker 7: from North Haven. Her mom is the congresswoman from the

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Speaker 7: first district, the more liberal district.

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Speaker 4: She is basically a Locke at this point.

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Speaker 7: The Republicans nominated a very kind of far right guy,

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Speaker 7: not a Susan Collins type at all. She's had twenty

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Speaker 7: points something like that, all the raiding agencies have, you know,

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Speaker 7: put her up.

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Speaker 4: Still something to watch and keep an eye on, of.

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Speaker 7: Course, but that could also help Troy Jackson in the

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Speaker 7: Senate race, if you know, moderate Republicans are less likely

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Speaker 7: to turn out because they don't like the governor nominee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and already we see in this recent poll from

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post episodes that there's the enthusiasm is a

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Speaker 1: real The Republican versus a Democratic enthusiasm gap is real.

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Speaker 1: So you may see a world where progressives come out

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Speaker 1: and modern Republicans stay home.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Maine has pretty high turnout rates in general,

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Speaker 7: so you know, that does give people a little bit

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Speaker 7: of leeway. But it's really with having Bobby Charles on

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Speaker 7: the ballot as governor candidate and Susan Collins has Senate.

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Speaker 7: It really shows the two polls of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Colins is barely holding on to another poll

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Speaker 7: and this kind of high wire act that Collins has

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Speaker 7: had to walk this entire time.

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Speaker 4: And I never want to say that it's finally up.

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Speaker 7: Because she's defied the odds so many times before. But

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Speaker 7: it really shows how different she has become from the

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Speaker 7: Republican Party, which had just elected a far right, trumpy

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Speaker 7: guy that looks nothing like her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'll remember that she did vote for Kavanaugh,

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Speaker 1: who did overturn Roby with yep.

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Speaker 7: And the big beautiful bill that's cutting Medicare at Medicaid reimbursements,

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Speaker 7: that's causing local hospitals to shut down. That's a big thing.

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Speaker 7: Food stamps cut. Yeah, there's a lot that will be

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Speaker 7: put at our feet. And she's going to counter with

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Speaker 7: all the millions of dollars that she's brought back to

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Speaker 7: the stateum in every town you can find a bridge

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Speaker 7: or a library or a historical society that she's helped

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Speaker 7: fund good, legitimately good valuable projects. And she's made a

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Speaker 7: lot of connections through that. So I think a lot

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Speaker 7: of people are going to feel conflicted and come down

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Speaker 7: to the end.

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Speaker 1: Alex. I hope you will come back because I'd love

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Speaker 1: to know how Troy Jackson does in his baptism by fire.

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Speaker 7: Over the next couple months, we shall see and yeah,

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Speaker 7: hopefully whatever skeletons are in his closet are the giant

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Speaker 7: thirty foot home deep ot variety.

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Speaker 8: Thanks, Thanks Molly, Jesse Cannon Smiley.

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Speaker 2: Trump has made twenty nine private prison stock trades since

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Speaker 2: taking office. You know who uses private prisons a lot?

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Speaker 2: Ice you don't say. All I could think is a

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Speaker 2: lot of the time, I'm like, man, they're so enthusiastic

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Speaker 2: about this, and I know Stephen Miller's enthusiastic about it

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Speaker 2: because he's an insecure whitt work. But I was always

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Speaker 2: wondering where the gript was because I think of something.

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Speaker 2: Mary Trump always said that she was shocked that her

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Speaker 2: grandfather attended a clan rally because it was the first

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Speaker 2: time she heard about him doing something that wasn't motivated

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Speaker 2: by money. I always have been guided by that, and

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Speaker 2: then this started to make it all make sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So look, it certainly seems as if there is

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Speaker 1: some self dealing going on here. Trump's brokers have made

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Speaker 1: twenty nine trades of private prison stock since his return

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Speaker 1: to office, with the first prison for just only on

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Speaker 1: the tenth day of seton and our Trump's portfolio and again,

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't know who's trading on his portfolio,

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Speaker 1: but his portfolio has made a lot, a lot, a

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Speaker 1: lot of trades. And again, this is really really really

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Speaker 1: not okay. It's something that voters hate, which I think

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Speaker 1: is also worth remembering. The voters really really really hate

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Speaker 1: this kind of thing, so that is also good, and

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Speaker 1: we need to stop it. We need to stop congressional

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Speaker 1: stock trading. We also need to stop presidential stock trading.

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Speaker 1: But this is a cryptocracy, It certainly looks like a cryptocracy,

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Speaker 1: and this is a kleptocrat. And here we are. That's

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