1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Well. 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 3: And all the times that the media likes to talk 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: about the decline under progressive woke leaders, they sometimes point 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 3: to California with their homelessness and crime problems, and one 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: place they go to in particular when they want to 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: look at homelessness and crime is San Francisco. In fact, 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: the term that's now been applied to that city is 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: the doom Loop. And it's not just from crime and homelessness, 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: but it's also a place where I guess a lot 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: of tech people worked and decided that when the pandemic came, 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: and they can work anywhere in the world, they left. 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: Downtown San Francisco, I saw yesterday has a thirty some 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: odd percent vacancy rate for office rentals. One story that 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: also got a lot of attention concerning all of this 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: was a major downtown San Francisco mall known as the 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: Westfield Mall. I had been there many times of the years. 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: The big tenant was Nordstrom's. Well they pulled out, and 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: that was followed by the mall's owner announcing that it 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: was going to stop making payments on a five hundred 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 3: and fifty eight million dollar loan and was effectively leaving 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: the city. This has led to the term because it 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: affects the tax base of the city, the doom loop. Obviously, 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: San Francisco's downtown is important. Tourism is another big deal, 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: but you do need office workers and business there to 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: get a tax base beyond the residents. The National Review 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: posted up a story recently in titled Brawls, Theft, Drugs 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: how rampant crime has turned Westfield Mall into a symbol 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: of San Francisco's decline. It's an interesting read. One thing 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: that popped out immediately is, according to the statistics they 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: were able to garner. In the last three years, authorities 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: have been called to the mall more than five thousand 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: times for a variety of reasons, some of them benign, 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: but some of them involve people with knives, mentally disturb people, 37 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: indecent exposure, just a quick list of some of the things. 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: We finally have an opportunity to talk to somebody in 39 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: that city who can give us a little bit of 40 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: first hand input into this, and he's described in the 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: story as a former San Francisco drug dealer who's now 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: an activist calling for reform there. 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: His name is Reese Wynn. 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: Let's get him on the show and talk more about 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: what's going on in that city. 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Johnny Ken Show. Ye, I'm going man, 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: go ahead. How are you you know? 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: Could be better? You know, still kind of an epidemic 49 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: down here in the area where I'm living at San Francisco. 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: It's the Soma District, District six. It's pretty bad. I mean, 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: the problem is pretty widespread, though, I'd have to admit 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: it's not just this district. You know, today I traversed 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: from almost the Marina District over the hill, past Soma 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: and even into the dog Patch area, and I mean 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 4: you see homeless people everywhere using drugs. So it's very disturbing, 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: very shocking that we can't get a hold on this 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: problem and at this rate. The only fingers you can 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: really point are at the policy makers. 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's been a lot of talk and 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: obviously the mayor there is even talked about some form 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: of enforcement when it comes to the drug problem. I mean, 62 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: you're described as a former drug dealer. How do you 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: look at the problem with all the addicts in San Francisco, 64 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: particularly in certain neighborhoods. 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: The problem is that the ideologies don't match up. Lennon Breed. 66 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: The mayor is saying one thing publicly and saying that 67 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: she's going to arrest people for public drug consumption, for 68 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: using drugs out and open that they're going to enforce that. However, 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: on the backside, the Department of Health here in San 70 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: Francisco is actually uh sanctioning the drug paraphernalia sites under 71 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: the guise of harm reduction. Right, So if if you 72 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: still have a government funded facility that's giving out brillo pads, 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 4: crack pipes, needles, tinfoil and and different things to get 74 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: high with, it's not matching up with what she's saying 75 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: to people on the news and and to other media outlets. 76 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense. If you were taking a hard 77 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: stance on this drug problem, then you would get rid 78 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: of that program. I mean, I understand if you're passing 79 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: out narcan you know to to help reverse the side 80 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: effects of obit use? You know, if you went into 81 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 4: too like O D, then that's one thing to pass 82 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: out in arcamp because you might be saving somebody's life, 83 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: But to give out utensils that you get high with 84 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: on taxpayer dollars is unconscionable. It's it's contradicting what you're 85 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 4: saying to your voters. It's contradicting to what you're saying 86 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 4: to the news outlets. It's you're lying and then you 87 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 4: know so it's it's it's very, very frustrating when you 88 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 4: walk down my street and you see the street littered 89 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: with these things that they're these utensils, the paraphernalia that 90 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: they're getting from the harm reduction people or the Saint 91 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: James Infirmary. There's two major ones that actually give out 92 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: these kids, these using kids, and it's it's it's just ridiculous. 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: It doesn't match up to what you're saying on the 94 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: front end. So really all it is is more political 95 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: uh stunts and empty words. 96 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: We need. 97 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: What about Pasha the governor was there and supposedly c 98 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: HP is now involved in trying to cut down the 99 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 3: fentanyl that makes its way into the city. 100 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Are you seeing any effects of that? 101 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 5: Definitely? 102 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: And we we you know a lot of us here, 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: the residents here, you know, welcome to c the c 104 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 4: HPS help. You know, they're they're more or less pulling 105 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 4: cars over. And i'ven't seen them on fill control or 106 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: you know, apprehending drug users. But if they're you know, 107 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 4: if they're coordinating with that's MPD and and to to 108 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 4: crack down on the dealing, that's that's great, you know. 109 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 4: But what people have to realize from San Francisco all 110 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 4: the way to l A is that that individuals that 111 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: are selling out here right now, I would I would 112 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: argue that about a good jory of them are undocumented migrants. 113 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 4: And I know here in San Francisco for sure, the 114 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: people that control the open air drug market are undocumented 115 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: migrants that are up here from Honduras, from Guatemala, from 116 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: Al Salvador, and they're they're out just the drug trade 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: out here with fentanyl, methamphetamine in particularly those two drugs. 118 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: But not the users. 119 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 4: Necessarily, the users do not control the drug market. No, absolutely, 120 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: they're not. 121 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: No, But I mean they're not migrants. The users are. 122 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: Who are the users? 123 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 4: The users are? No, the users are definitely not migrants. 124 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: These are people that are you know, our citizens that 125 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: are you know a lot of them are suffering from 126 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: mental illness coupled with their drug addiction. So they're dual 127 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: diagnosed right, and or some of the really younger ones 128 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: that have not you know, slipped into psychosis yet are 129 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: are you know, just may need a good push in 130 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: the right direction. And when I say a good pushing 131 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: in the right direction, I mean just old fashion rehab, 132 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: old fashioned rehab, old fashioned consequences. You know, you use drugs, 133 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: you go to jail for ninety days, you are forced 134 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: at detox with no suboxone, no methadone. You are forced 135 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: at detox. And when you're done detoxing, then you meet 136 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: these individuals in the jail and say, hey, don't you 137 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: want to change your life? Are you tired of living 138 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: like this? Aren't you sick of this? And then that's 139 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: when you get them onto the road to recovery. If 140 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 4: you were to go through and arrest these homeless people 141 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 4: that are drug addicts and take them off the streets 142 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: for ninety days to like a rehab camp or something 143 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: that's ran by the Sheriff's department and get them into 144 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 4: a place to where they're forced to detox for ninety days, 145 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: I guarantee that the dealers are going to it's gonna 146 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: it's like this, The snake's gonna eat its own tail. 147 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: It's gonna tamp down on it. But the demand is 148 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: so high, the demand is so high that they're not 149 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 4: going to be deterred. I've seen a sixteen year old 150 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 4: girl out here that's from another country sitting here selling dope. 151 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 5: She is has a pocket full of money. 152 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: She has three to four addicts, grown men around her 153 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 4: at all times buying drugs from her. It's, you know, 154 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: it's you can't let people, you know, generate revenue like that, 155 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: and they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop. They've 156 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: never even seen that type of money before. And so 157 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: when they get down there and they're in that position 158 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 4: like I was when I generated the money that I 159 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 4: generated from my past criminal life, it was very hard 160 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: for me to deter myself from doing it again. Because 161 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: can you bring on anything? I knew? What? 162 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: Can you hang on a minute? I gotta take a break, 163 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: but I'd like to talk to you some more. 164 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Can you just hold on? 165 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure? 166 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Okay. That's Riichi Win. 167 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 3: He's a former San Francisco drug dealer now an activist. 168 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: And you can hear him. 169 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: He knows a lot about the drug problem in San 170 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: Francisco and the lack of and you're hearing it enforcement. 171 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: When I come back, we'll talk about what he also 172 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: cited in this story which has appeared in the National Review, 173 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: was about the Westfield Mall basically shutting down. But he 174 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: talks about Prop forty seven, which we've talked about so often. 175 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: It passed in twenty fourteen. I think it's at the 176 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: root cause of a lot of the homeless and the 177 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: crime problems. We'll talk more with him. Johnny Kent Show 178 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: I Am six forty Live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 179 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 180 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 181 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: All right, My guest is a former San Francisco drug 182 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: dealer now an activist. He's apparently I looked him up, 183 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: appeared in many shows around the country Fox News. His 184 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: name is Richie Winn, and he cited in a National 185 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: Review story about what they called the doom loop in 186 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: San Francisco. We know that a lot of people did 187 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: not return following the pandemic. It has led to high 188 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: vacancy rates in some of the office buildings. But of 189 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: course what gets most of the attention is the open 190 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: air drug use that's going on in that city. And 191 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: of course problems with crime and shoplifting and Walgreens clothing 192 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 3: and all these kinds of things. Let's get him back 193 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: on the show and dig into this a little more 194 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: because he's got a great perspective on this. And of 195 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: course where we left off, he's talking about, you need 196 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: some kind of enforcement. 197 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: You need to get these people. 198 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: In and tell them, you know, if you don't go 199 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: to drug treatment, then the choice is jail time. And 200 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 3: it is cited in the story that Proposition forty seven, 201 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: which was passed in twenty fourteen, is one of the 202 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: problems here because it decreased penalties for nonviolent offenses, including 203 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: drug use and theft. And that was something that they 204 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: had over the drug addicts before that they don't have anymore. 205 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 3: And you think that contributes a bit to this problem. 206 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. Proposition forty seven is another one of those 207 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: failed policies that they came out with, and they packaged 208 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: it up. I mean, Proposition forty seven was packaged up 209 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: as a Safe Neighborhoods and School Act. I don't know 210 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: how they did that or why they labeled it that, 211 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: but it's very misleading. 212 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Well let me tell you why they did that. 213 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: They said that with the money we're going to say, 214 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: by not sending people to prison, we can turn around 215 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: and spend it on treatment to make the people better. 216 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: But that hasn't happened, has it. 217 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: No, I can't say it has. You know, at the 218 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: end of the day, it's made the problem worse. And 219 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: the thing is with these type of social experiments that 220 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: these lawmakers are trying to do on us here in California, 221 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: is that they're dismantling one whole system or one set 222 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: of rules before the other. 223 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 5: Set is proven to work. 224 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: Just like defunding the police. They were really big on 225 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: defund the police, and here in San Francisco, a lot 226 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 4: of these people said that they were going to allocate 227 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: funds for the police department elsewhere, and they did. They 228 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: took a lot of money away from the police department 229 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: and now they're short staffed almost five hundred officers, you know. 230 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: But that just goes to show you you cannot, you know, 231 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 4: cancel one whole thing that's been working for years. Maybe 232 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 4: it's not working to the level or the degree that 233 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 4: everyone wants it to, but we're not living in a 234 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 4: utopia society that there are going to be mishaps that's 235 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 4: with anything, you know. So so before you canceled one 236 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 4: whole you know process, you've got to make sure that 237 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 4: the new process that's going to replace it is proven 238 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: to work. And Proposition forty seven was not proven to work, 239 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 4: and now it's actually proven that it does not work, 240 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 4: and it emboldens the drug use, it emboldens the theft 241 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 4: from these stores. And in the radius of just where 242 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: I live, there's been almost nine closures of different you know, 243 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: big chain places. These aren't just mom and pop places 244 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: that just could not pay the rent. 245 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 5: After COVID. 246 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: You're talking about Burger King, you're talking about Chase Banks, 247 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: you're talking about Whole Foods, you're talking about Walgreens, you're 248 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: talking about CBS, you're talking about Old Navy, You're talking 249 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 4: really big corporations that just pulled out of this area altogether. 250 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: And it's because of the lack of enforcement behind these 251 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 4: these policies. And instead of saying, hey, you know, as 252 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: a policymakers, as a lawmaker, instead of having some humility 253 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: and saying, hey, you know what, we tried this and 254 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: it's not working. We're gonna we're gonna, you know, pull 255 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: this U back a little bit. And go back to 256 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: the drawing board and go back to maybe how it 257 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: was before, so we can get the thing under control, 258 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: and then if we want to try something later on, 259 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: then maybe we could do that. They won't do that now. 260 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 4: I don't think that they went into this situation with 261 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: mal intent. I don't think they went into it with like, 262 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: you know, malice or something like that. 263 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 5: But or. 264 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: That's what they say. And I'm sure you've heard this. 265 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 4: Intensions every time, intensions. 266 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: Every time they debate this in Sacramento and even in 267 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: your city, when we're talking about enforcement against not just 268 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 3: the dealers, but obviously the drug use. All the war 269 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: on drugs didn't work. We're not going to win prison 270 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: people that was a failure. We're not going to go 271 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: back to that. I'm sure you've heard that argument, but. 272 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: That's not true. Everyone that I know that has perpetual sobriety, 273 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: that is still clean and sober to this day, went 274 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 4: through some type of custodial sentence. 275 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 5: Went through some type of justice system. 276 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 4: It might not have happened the first time, might not 277 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 4: happen the second time, might not happen the third time. 278 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: The person might have went there a slutize but find 279 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: they got sick and tired of being sick and tired, 280 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: you know, they they were in that jail cell and 281 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 4: they just finally said, you know what, enough is enough? 282 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: Do this anymore? 283 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: Right right now? 284 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: That's that's very common and obviously if you don't do 285 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: that in the San Francisco the permissive attitude towards all this, 286 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: of course, is letting this problem only get worse. And 287 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: what you're gonna get instead is all these overdose deats 288 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: that we're seeing because as you mentioned. 289 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Before, too harm reduction. 290 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: That is just a god awful way to deal with 291 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: the drug problem, isn't it. 292 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're moving our moral goldpost further away from 293 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: where it should be. Instead of saying, hey, you shouldn't 294 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 4: be doing this. You know you need sobriety, you need 295 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: to get your your life back on track, right, they're saying, okay, well, 296 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: here we know that you you you're hopeless, you're never 297 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: gonna get clean. So here's a whole bunch of stuff. 298 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: So at least you're not spraying disease while you're out 299 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: there killing yourself. 300 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 5: With the disease an addiction. 301 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: It's such a it's such a bleak to to try 302 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 4: to combat this problem. You need to stand on our 303 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: morals and our you know, our character as Americans, as Californians, 304 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: as things to say, hey, some things are just not acceptable. 305 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 4: And living on the streets using drugs, expecting taxpayers to 306 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: keep giving you money, keep expecting all these things, all 307 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: these services, is not right. It's not the American way. 308 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: It's not it's it's just not. 309 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 5: We don't it's not it's making. 310 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 4: A We're bringing an ideology that that is like makes 311 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 4: everybody just lazy and feel entitled to things. 312 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta go. 313 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: I really appreciate talking to you, great input from you. 314 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on my show. Richie, 315 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: Richie Wynn. 316 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely. 317 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 4: Brother, Thanks all right. 318 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 3: He's a fantastic Key is of course a former drug 319 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: dealer now an activist, giving us a perspective from San Francisco, 320 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: and again, this idea of harm reduction, lack of enforcement 321 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: is just going to make that city go into a 322 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: further further death spiral. More coming up, Johnny KENKFI AM 323 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: six forty Live Everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 324 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 325 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 326 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: You can't listen to the show live, pick us up 327 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: on the podcast Johnny Can on demand ATAM six forty 328 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: dot com, also the iHeartRadio app. We now move over 329 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: to an oldie, but a goodie on the John and 330 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: Ken Show, and that's the mileage tax. The Associated present 331 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 3: his story over the weekend that as more and more 332 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 3: people by electric vehicles, says, your sales are now up 333 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 3: to almost five percent in twenty twenty one. Well, they 334 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: won't be a stopping for gas and paying the gas tax, 335 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 3: which is sucked up by the politicians to basically waste 336 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: on some of different things, not the roads as you 337 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: can see in California. To talk about what's going on 338 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: in California with the idea of a mileage tax, we're. 339 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: Going to welcome back to the show. 340 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 3: Jay Bieber was Safer Streets LA and also now director 341 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: of policy and Research for the National Motorists Association. Always 342 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: not here, Okay, all right, then I'll explain more of 343 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: the story. It says here the federal government is about 344 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 3: to pilot its own programs, so there might be a 345 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 3: federal mileage tax too, funded by one hundred and twenty 346 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: five million dollars from an infrastructure measure that Joe Biden 347 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: signed back in November of twenty twenty one. It says 348 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: here many states of implemented stopgap measures such as mileage 349 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: based user fees, distance based fees, or vehicle miles travel taxes. 350 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: Video circulating on social media service TikTok have shown how 351 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: people can start Kia Hyundai models by using only a screwdriver. 352 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: Or USB cable. 353 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: But it talks about how lawmakers passed a bill last 354 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: month that would have begun early steps towards a program 355 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: by allowing collection of motorists O dometer readings on a 356 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: voluntary basis. And as I mentioned a little bit earlier, Oregon, 357 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: Utah in Virginia are already generating some revenue from road 358 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: uses charges. All right, let's get Jay on the show. Jay, 359 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: how are you? 360 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: I'm great? How are you doing? 361 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 4: All right? 362 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: So, your director of policy and research for the National 363 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: Motorist Association. 364 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: Is that new that is new as of this year? Yeah? 365 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: Well, good for you. So what can you tell us 366 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: about the dreaded mileage tax? 367 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 5: Well, Well, first of all, I think the thing we 368 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 5: should all really understand first of all is that it's 369 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 5: probably not going to replace the gas tax. They will 370 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 5: probably replace. They will probably layer this on top of it, 371 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 5: because no government ever wants to give up any revenue. 372 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: So well, if that would that's true, let me ask 373 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: you that though, let me stop you there. That's true, 374 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: would people who actually have to still buy gas and 375 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: don't drive an EV would they pay a little less 376 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: mileage tax because that seems unbalanced. 377 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's going to be unbalanced no matter 378 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 5: what happens. But my guess is it's just going to 379 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 5: be a tax on them on the amount that you drive, 380 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 5: plus whatever you pay at the pump. I don't think 381 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 5: they're going to give you any credit for anything. I mean, 382 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 5: they claim it's to replace the gas tax, but you know, 383 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 5: when when has the government ever given up any amount 384 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 5: of revenue that they're getting. 385 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh no, this is they'll always be a gas tax. 386 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: You're right, right, exactly exactly. But I understand that this 387 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: is less about generating revenue to replace the gas tax 388 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: or to you know, for transportation or fixing roads is 389 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 5: what it's supposed to be. Of course, most of the 390 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 5: money right now for the gas tax and uh transportation 391 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 5: is diverted for things other than roadways. It's usually for 392 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: transit or bike lanes or you know, things of that nature. 393 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 5: But so this is really about social engineering. It's really 394 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 5: about a way to penalize you for driving your car 395 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 5: too much. And there's been a lot of proposals around 396 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: the country for different versions of this. There's a federal 397 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 5: version of it, there's a different states have versions of it, 398 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 5: and a lot of what we're seeing out there are 399 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 5: things that are not just sort of a flat rate 400 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 5: for however, in RNY miles you drive, you know, a 401 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 5: rate per mile. One of the proposals is to tier 402 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 5: the rates, so for example, you'll get a certain allotment 403 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 5: at a lower amount, and then you'd get charged if 404 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 5: you drive too much whoever they decide is too much, 405 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 5: then you would get charged more for that next tier 406 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 5: than more for even the next tier, kind of like 407 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 5: they do with our electric rates right now. So you know, 408 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 5: it's a way to discourage you from driving your car. 409 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: There's another proposal. I know this is true in Michigan. 410 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 5: I don't know whether it's part of you know, California's 411 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 5: version of this, but I'm sure it will be at 412 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 5: some point, which would be that they would charge you 413 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 5: a higher rate. If they determine that your trip could 414 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: have been taken using another form of transportation, like if 415 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 5: you could have taken that trip using a bus or 416 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 5: a train, or if you could have you know, driven 417 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 5: written a bicycle, or if you could have walked, they're 418 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 5: going to charge you more for that trip than they 419 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 5: would for other kinds of trips. 420 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: So actually have the programming to figure that out? 421 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's part. I mean, it's 422 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 5: part of the whole algorithm of you know, like where 423 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 5: you're driving. I mean, you can imagine the massive amount 424 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: of surveillance it's going to be required for this kind 425 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 5: of thing where they're going to I mean, they're going 426 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 5: to have to figure out, you know, where you drove, 427 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 5: you know, when you drove there, whether there was some 428 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 5: other form you could have taken. And then you know, 429 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 5: they they want to charge people with you know, higher 430 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: value vehicles more money promile than people who they think 431 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 5: have less money. 432 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: That's what I thought. 433 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you if there's going to 434 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: be some tiered system based on people's incomes. 435 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 5: Most most likely again this is all to be worked out, 436 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 5: but you know, this is what they want to do. 437 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 5: The cost of collection of this, by the way, is 438 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 5: more expensive than the cost of collection for the gas tax. 439 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: So a portion of whatever they're going to be collecting 440 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 5: goes to the mechanism for collecting it and their surveillance 441 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 5: and all of this kind of thing. So some of 442 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 5: that money will just go to overhead, So we'll lose 443 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 5: money right off, right off the bat. 444 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: So they're going to be some sort of device in 445 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: a way to track your mileage is still the thing. 446 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 5: They need right exactly exactly. And if they were just 447 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 5: going to just a complete, flat, flat rate and they 448 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: could just you know, your whether you you know, when 449 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 5: you do your registration or your vehicle or or inspection 450 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 5: of your vehicle, you know, they would check your odometer, 451 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 5: you know, then they wouldn't need much invasiveness. But anything 452 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 5: else beyond that will require a lot of invasiveness. And 453 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 5: just another just think about this. Let's say you live 454 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 5: in California, and California has you know, a rate per 455 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: mile that's different than other states. And let's say you 456 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: do the majority of your driving for in a particular 457 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 5: year outside the state. And let's say you take a 458 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 5: trip across the country and back again, it's like six 459 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 5: thousand miles plus that's driven out of state. You're still 460 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: going to get charged to California, right, And let's unless 461 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 5: they know that you drove somewhere else, right, and then 462 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 5: who gets that money? The whole thing is insane. If 463 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 5: you if you go to Colorado and you buy gas there, 464 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: you're paying the gas tax in Colorado. But this form 465 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 5: of taxation is a form of taxation which is going 466 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: to have to surveil you and know where you were 467 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 5: if they want to somehow give the money to another 468 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 5: state because you're drove in another state. I mean, it's 469 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 5: a huge, massive government, new government program. And I don't 470 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: know if anybody thinks it's a good idea to give 471 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 5: the government more taxing power. 472 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: They By the way, so this could be a federal 473 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: mileage tax and a California mileage tax. 474 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 5: Could be two, could be two ye wow, because right 475 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 5: now we do right now we do pay a federal 476 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 5: gas tax and we pay a stake are we do? 477 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: So they have to have a way of getting their 478 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 5: pound of flesh. So so somehow, somehow they're going to 479 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 5: get you well one way or the other. But really 480 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 5: this is about I understand, it's not really about the 481 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: money as much. I mean, it's about the money, of course, 482 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 5: but it's also about social engineering and trying to discourage 483 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 5: you from driving and and by, and it'll be much 484 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 5: easier to you know, monkey with the rates on this 485 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 5: kind of thing than with the gas tax. So you know, 486 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: with the gas tax, you go to the pump, you know, 487 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 5: every time you go to the pump, you see that number. 488 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: With this, you might not see it till the end 489 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 5: of the year. You might not you know, it might 490 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 5: be all you know, mixed up with other things, maybe 491 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 5: with your tax return or something, you know, so you 492 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 5: may may not see it as as overtly. So it's 493 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 5: an easy way to hide it to some extent, but 494 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 5: also to penalize you for after the fact for driving 495 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 5: too much. 496 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 3: Well do they have an argument though, because they are 497 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 3: losing money because the people aren't buying gas with evs, 498 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: so they're not grabbing that money at the pump. 499 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 5: It's a very small percentage. 500 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 4: Now. 501 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 5: Of course, California has this idiotic idea that that everyone's 502 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 5: going to drive an EV even though we don't have 503 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 5: the infrastructure for it right and and you know, they're 504 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 5: going to force everybody into an electric vehicle. There's nothing 505 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 5: wrong with electric vehicles, of course, but they don't have 506 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 5: the the the range that you would need. Like for 507 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 5: example that I was saying about that trip across the 508 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 5: country vehicle, it's almost impossible to do, you know, a 509 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 5: couple of days in a row of of of a 510 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 5: road trip, right, and so so you have to stop, 511 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 5: you know, a half hour an hour just to recharge 512 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 5: your vehicle every two hundred miles or so. I mean, 513 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: I would make it very difficult to do a reasonable 514 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: road trip. So so you know, electric vehicles have their 515 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 5: drug backs. But the other thing is that electric vehicles 516 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 5: overall are actually worse for the environment than than a 517 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 5: regular internal combustion engine. I mean, you don't see it. 518 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 5: You see it differently at the exhaust pipe, but you 519 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 5: don't see it. 520 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Right, everything that goes into making the battery and everything. 521 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 5: Right making in the battle. And then think about the 522 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 5: fact that, like a regular I have one of my 523 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 5: cars is soon to be a classic is a ninety 524 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 5: four Toyota Salica right, Okay, long ago that battery, if 525 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 5: that was a battery vehicle, that battery would have been done. 526 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: The car would have been worthless. But you know, I've 527 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 5: been able to maintain it and keep it keep it running, 528 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 5: so we'll have a lot more turnover in cars too. 529 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 5: So think about all the steel and all the wasted 530 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 5: energy and production of taking going into vehicles which will 531 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: then no longer have any value once that battery goes bad, 532 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 5: and the cost of replacing that battery maybe is more 533 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 5: or not not that much less than just getting a 534 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 5: new one, and so there'd be much less of a 535 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 5: secondary car market. So the cost of cars will go up. 536 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 5: I mean, this is the whole thing is going to 537 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 5: be a huge hit, especially for the people who don't 538 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 5: have that much money. I mean, think about you know, 539 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 5: people that are just struggling to get by, they're struggling 540 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 5: to pay their rent. I mean, now they have a 541 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 5: car that maybe they can buy, you know, an older vehicle, 542 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 5: and it doesn't cost them that much, and and you 543 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 5: know they it. You know, maybe it doesn't get as 544 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 5: great ass mileage as a you know, a hybrid or 545 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 5: something like that, but you know, they can generally afford 546 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: it now and then they can get by and they 547 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 5: get to work. But the cost of a EV is 548 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: going to be more, and the cost of maintaining that 549 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 5: vehicle over the long term, once those batteries start going, 550 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 5: is going to be a lot more. 551 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: All right, Jay, thank you so much for talking to 552 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: me once again in a good go with your new position. 553 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 5: Thank you appreciate it, all right. 554 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: Ja Bieber Safer Street La also director of Policy and 555 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: Research for the National Motorists Association motorists dot org. More 556 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: coming up, John and KENKFI AM six forty Live Everywhere. 557 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: It's the iHeartRadio app. 558 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 559 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 560 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: Round the radio from one till four after four John 561 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: and Ken on demand podcast on the iHeart App. 562 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: Well, we're just talking about Governor Dippity too. His wife 563 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: also got some recognition today. The Elsagundo Times did a 564 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: tongue bath on her by Taran Luna. Basically, the title 565 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: is Trauma has shaped Jennifer Cybel Newsom's life now it 566 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: helps fuel her work for California. She is a filmmaker 567 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: and a feminist. We've talked about this before. She makes 568 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: these gender movies that schools have to show. 569 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: Right, and they're financed by PG and E, which is 570 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: why they're fine us by corporate donors, which is why 571 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: PG and he always worms their way out of trouble 572 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: after they start fires that kill one hundred people and 573 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: cost billions of dollars of damage. You know, the stuff 574 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: that ever bad happens to PG and E even after 575 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: they murder all those people, because they make donations to 576 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: the governor's wife, among others. 577 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: Predictably, it starts with the fact that she took the 578 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: stand in the trial against Harvey Weinstein. Of course, the 579 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: jury deadlocked on her Jane Doe story, and a lot 580 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: of people have been skeptical and also not really mentioned 581 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: in this article. 582 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: She didn't really come forward right. 583 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: Away when the whole story broke in twenty seventeen and 584 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: the MeToo movement was underway and Weinstein got accused of 585 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: so many things, she wasn't really around. But eventually she 586 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: came forward and they did use her in the case 587 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: against them, but as I mentioned, they deadlocked. But of course, 588 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: the attorney for Harvey Weinstein because he called her a bimbo, 589 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: just another bimbo who slept with Harvey Weinstein to get 590 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: ahead in Hollywood. 591 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh, they made a big deal out of this. 592 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: Oh massagyny, Oh my god, there's still so much hate 593 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: and prejudiced against people. But let's face it, we've said 594 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: this a thousand times before. With the Weinstein case, there 595 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: were some women who knew that this was the way 596 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: to get head in Hollywood. There were some women who 597 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: were sexually assaulted by Weinstein, all right, which is which 598 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: good luck figuring out sometimes, But it looks like the 599 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: jury couldn't quite take a stand on that sidebel Newsom, 600 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: who turns forty nine this month, has made a familiar 601 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: pivot from anguished to motivated. Publicly, she's talking about funding 602 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: for women's health and support for families escaping domestic violence. 603 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: Behind the scenes, she's doubling down on trying to make 604 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 3: the criminal justice system more fair to other survivors. So 605 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: part of me thinks that one of the she did 606 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: this with the Harvey Weinstein trial was to make her 607 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: feminist label look stronger, like there I was. I was 608 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: brave enough to take the stand and accuse somebody publicly 609 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: in court of sexually assaulting me. 610 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: Too bad the jury didn't exactly buy it. 611 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: No, Well, she continued so much contact with Harvey Weinstein 612 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: after he allegedly attacked her. 613 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh, she wanted his help to handle Gavin nussance problems. 614 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Gavin Newsom was screwing his best friend's wife. 615 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Right, she wanted some pr help, he want, Yeah. 616 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: How do I handle that my new boyfriend was screwing 617 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: his best friend's wife. I think you have experienced and 618 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: how to handle these kinds of situations. 619 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: She is a kale, a colossal phony, colossal. 620 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: But the reason she's getting attention is the other trauma 621 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: in her life, which was real, and I'm not doubting 622 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 3: it or otherwise trying to undermine it. But apparently she 623 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 3: and her older sister were playing on golf carts when 624 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 3: Jennifer Newsoen was just seven, just a few days. 625 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Before her birthday. 626 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: She didn't see her sister hiding behind the golf cart. 627 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: She rolled it backwards and she killed her eight year 628 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: old sister. And that's the trauma that I never knew 629 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 3: that either. And she said now, she became the only daughter, 630 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: so that in and of itself, there were big expectations 631 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 3: from her parents to excel in academics and the arts. 632 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: And in sports. I felt the pressure to be perfect. 633 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. But it really is a 634 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: quite depositive profile. 635 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 3: On the other half of this publicity hungry couple and 636 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 3: her attempts to make these these of gender movies. 637 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: Well, she's got the Representation Project, and that's the nonprofit 638 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: that promotes her films. And the foundation's list of donors 639 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: include PG and E and AT and T, who spend 640 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: a lot of time lobbying Gavin Newsom to get favorable 641 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: laws and in PG and E's case, protection in bailouts 642 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 2: for all the people they kill, right because of their 643 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: bad maintenance of their electrical facilities, which start the huge 644 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: fires which news then blames on climate change. See how 645 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: all this works. PG and E starts the fires because 646 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: of bad maintenance, he uses climate change as the excuse, 647 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: then taxes the hell out of us in order to 648 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: stop the fires that PG and he created. PG and 649 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: E buys that protection and the reimbursement by giving money 650 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: to Jennifer Newso's film project. 651 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 3: Right, so, so have a role doing something and it 652 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: still involves what she wanted to get into in the 653 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: first place, which was movies. 654 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: Right, So, excuse me for being skeptical of an La 655 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: Times tongue bath. All right, because I don't see that 656 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: article being done by Tara Tarren Luna tarn Luna Taren Luna, 657 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 2: instead of doing a throwaway paragraph several pages into the 658 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: story about well, you know, the foundations under scrutiny for 659 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: the donations against No, no, no, Why don't you dig into 660 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 2: the donations? What's the deal, what, what's what's the exchange 661 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: that's going on here? What's your influence? 662 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 3: John and Ken KFI AM six forty Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app. 663 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 664 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 665 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 666 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 3: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.