WEBVTT - TechStuff Classics: The types of WiFi

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<v Speaker 1>Get in text with technology with tex Stuff from Hastaf.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still on vacation, vacating which means that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy another classic episode of tech Stuff, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing so for a specific reason because of a little

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<v Speaker 1>listener mail. And this comes from Troy, who says, good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>I've recently started to listen to your podcast as my

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<v Speaker 1>tech interests begin to grow. I was hoping you could

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<v Speaker 1>do an episode on WiFi versus Y Max would be

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<v Speaker 1>great to learn about that. Well, Troy, way back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, I'm talking November of two thousand nine, Chris Pallette,

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<v Speaker 1>my original co host, and I talked about WiFi and

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<v Speaker 1>the different types of WiFi, and we also talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Wi Max, which is not a type of WiFi. We

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<v Speaker 1>grouped it under there because it was the easiest way

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<v Speaker 1>to explain it to people who are unfamiliar with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I regret actually calling the episode the different types

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<v Speaker 1>of WiFi, because why that's that's that's misleading. Why Max

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<v Speaker 1>and WiFi are two different things. There are actually two

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<v Speaker 1>different communications standards designed to transmit data wirelessly, So you

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<v Speaker 1>can think of it as two different approaches to accomplish

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<v Speaker 1>similar goals. Now, why MAX can transmit up to about

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<v Speaker 1>a gigabit per second for fixed stations, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>a station that is in a fixed location, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>moving around, and it can also transmit this at a

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<v Speaker 1>much wider area than say WiFi could. Uh. That is

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<v Speaker 1>why why Max is really being used in municipal wireless data.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, it's it's kind of a a

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<v Speaker 1>replacement for wired connections. You wouldn't use cables instead, you

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<v Speaker 1>would have these towers that would transmit why MAX signals

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<v Speaker 1>using this specific standard, and you could then provide internet

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<v Speaker 1>connectivity to different to a large area, whereas WiFi tends

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<v Speaker 1>to be much more localized, it doesn't have as broad

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<v Speaker 1>a transmission range, but it can also go really fast.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the the eight O two dot eleven a

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<v Speaker 1>C standard is on the five giga Hurts band of frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>because WiFi uses two different frequency bands depending upon the

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<v Speaker 1>standard you're using, and can also reach a gigabit per

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<v Speaker 1>second or even theoretically faster than that. So the two

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<v Speaker 1>are able to transmit data at similar speeds, but doing

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<v Speaker 1>so in a different way, and I will now transfer

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<v Speaker 1>this over to the episode where Chris and I talked

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<v Speaker 1>more about these different types. Keeping in mind this goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to two thousand nine and the standards have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>considerably since then, So enjoy this episode. We thought we'd

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<v Speaker 1>talked a little bit about the different kinds of wireless

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<v Speaker 1>networks out there are the ones that use the various

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<v Speaker 1>standards set out by our good friends at the Triple E,

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<v Speaker 1>or as I always like to call them, a yeah right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, early early networks were sort of like tin

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<v Speaker 1>cans with the string between them. This sort of makes

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<v Speaker 1>this string virtual. Yeah, there you go. That's all you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know. There's the whole we're gonna alright, So anyway, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a set of standards that in general

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<v Speaker 1>fall under the designation eight zero two point one one.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't that easy? Yeah, well it's it's the most those

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<v Speaker 1>are the most common frequency variations of wireless networking. So

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<v Speaker 1>the way you h you'll see on things like outers

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<v Speaker 1>and modems and stuff. You'll see this number followed by

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<v Speaker 1>a letter, and that tells you which of the specific

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<v Speaker 1>sets of standards you're working with. Now you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>understand what I was getting ready to correct myself because

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and that's not a frequency, no, No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a designation. Is a designation? Yes, so so the

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<v Speaker 1>I triple ey. They work on various designations for different

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<v Speaker 1>UM networking solutions, and with the eight to two point

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<v Speaker 1>one one, you have different working groups all working on

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<v Speaker 1>different sets of standards to try and create the most

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<v Speaker 1>stable and reliable form of wireless networking in this case

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<v Speaker 1>wireless networking UM. And it's it's a little confusing because

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<v Speaker 1>you have all these different groups working on working from

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<v Speaker 1>the same basic set of standards, but they're all tweaking

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<v Speaker 1>them in different ways to try and get different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of performance out of them. So let's try and go

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<v Speaker 1>through some of these. It's really kind of complex, but

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<v Speaker 1>um yeah. One of the things to uh that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting about these different standards is, UH, as we

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<v Speaker 1>start going through them, if we are going through them

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<v Speaker 1>in alphabetical order, you will find that they do not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily uh go start from the bottom up, like if

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<v Speaker 1>we start with eight eight O two dot eleven A. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>This actually operates on the five gigga hurts frequency and

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<v Speaker 1>can carry up to fifty four megabets of data per second. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in contrast at two dot eleven B you'd figure to

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<v Speaker 1>be faster. No, actually it's not. It operates at the

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<v Speaker 1>two point four gigga hurts frequency and only can handle

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<v Speaker 1>eleven megabits of data per second. And that's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that makes it so confusing is you

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<v Speaker 1>you'd figure there would be a logical progression there, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's not necessarily one. Yeah, so what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>should we go by just by letter even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>not logical progression necessarily, but just to make it easier

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<v Speaker 1>to move from one to the other. Those two, those

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<v Speaker 1>two do fit well together because they were the first

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<v Speaker 1>two very common standards, at least in my experience. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>ATO two point eleven B uses UH unregulated radio signal

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies in the two point four gigga hurts range. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's something. Here's some things about the ATO two point

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<v Speaker 1>one one B set standards. It's single ranges is pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>um in the two point four gigga Hurts range, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to have problems with obstructions that some

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<v Speaker 1>other frequencies do. So, in other words, you might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to use this kind of signal through walls things

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<v Speaker 1>like that, you don't have to worry about losing signal

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you turn a corner some UH from

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<v Speaker 1>the source of the the frequency UM, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>very expensive. The range is pretty good, UM, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a very it's not very fast, as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, compared to eight to two point eleven A.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's fairly slow. UM. And because it's an unregulated frequency,

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<v Speaker 1>some other appliances that generate radio frequencies can cause interference

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<v Speaker 1>within that wireless UH frequency because you have to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the computer you're using whatever, Like if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>wireless router that's broadcasting WiFi on this set of standards,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's using unregulated radio frequencies, that means that it

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<v Speaker 1>can fall within a wider range, and that things that

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<v Speaker 1>also generate radio frequencies within that range. When you're using

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<v Speaker 1>your computer, your computer doesn't know which one of those

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<v Speaker 1>which of those signals are coming from your router and

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<v Speaker 1>which are coming from other devices. So that's where you

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<v Speaker 1>get your your interference. If you're saying, what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interference could you possibly be talking about? While we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about things like your cordless phone in your house, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps an alarm system where you have uh wireless

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<v Speaker 1>UM the devices that go above your windows and doors,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, it uses radio frequencies to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the main box UM and baby monitors stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all using you know, those radio frequencies in

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<v Speaker 1>those ranges. And of course you can you can buy

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<v Speaker 1>cordless phones and and not to over use that word

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<v Speaker 1>range of different frequencies. UM. So you could try to

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<v Speaker 1>get to to get around that. But that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that I think they've been trying to improve

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<v Speaker 1>is is cut down on some of the interference. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why um ATO two eleven A uses the orthogonal

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<v Speaker 1>frequency division multiplexing. Basically, it's it's just a system of

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<v Speaker 1>splitting down that signal into a group of sub signals

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of make it less likely that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be interfered with. It breaks it down so that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not all in one one signal, Right, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna you're not gonna have the same interference issues.

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<v Speaker 1>UM it's you shouldn't. And again, like we point out,

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<v Speaker 1>it is faster. ATO two point eleven A is faster

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<v Speaker 1>than NATO to a point eleven B. But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>it's UM range is shorter, it's not it doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>as far, and because of the frequencies that uses UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little more easily obstructed, So you can't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast through several walls. If you have a large house

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got a wireless router in the middle, then

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<v Speaker 1>you may notice that as you move away you start

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<v Speaker 1>having problems getting a signal. I also suggested you don't

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<v Speaker 1>make your walls out of lead. Yeah, I um, never again,

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<v Speaker 1>never again. I tell you one thing. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>You make your walls out of lead, and you invite

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<v Speaker 1>Superman over. The dude is just a total jerk face

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time. He's just easy, right, He's just standing around,

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<v Speaker 1>staring at the walls and just mumbling hers. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even repeat the things that man says. He just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mouth on that guy. At any rate. I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that my little joke would turn so awry. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but tell you what, green Lantern is awesome. You get

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<v Speaker 1>a few drinks in him, so uh so, yeah, eight

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<v Speaker 1>two point eleven. A faster, shorter range also was more expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Both A and B were being worked on at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, UM B was. Even though B was slower,

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<v Speaker 1>it was less expensive and had a greater range, so

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<v Speaker 1>it it caught on a lot faster than A did.

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<v Speaker 1>UM A was much more expensive, so you didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>see that getting adopted in home networks as much. But

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<v Speaker 1>that brings us up to eight to two point eleven G. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we skipped a few letters and specifications, yes, UM not that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could. If you look up all these

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<v Speaker 1>different numbers UH along with I E, you'll see that

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<v Speaker 1>there are all these different working groups that are working

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<v Speaker 1>on various projects that have different designations. But it gets

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<v Speaker 1>way too complex to talk about all that, especially since

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really relate to what we're talking about here

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<v Speaker 1>with home networking. So ATO two yeah, that was A

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<v Speaker 1>and B were popular together for a while, and then

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<v Speaker 1>G was a good sized leap forward. I would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, and it has been a standard. UM it's

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<v Speaker 1>been widely adopted up until just recently, but we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into that in a moment. Um ATO two dot eleven

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<v Speaker 1>G also uses the two point for giga hurts spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>just like ATO two dot eleven B. However, it is

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<v Speaker 1>much faster band with up to fifty four megabits per

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<v Speaker 1>second as I as I see before me, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>figure I have. Yeah, that's the number I have as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's really fast speed. And it's actually the

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<v Speaker 1>it has really much better range. It's not easily obstructed,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's kind of taking the best of both

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<v Speaker 1>worlds here. It's got the range and and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>the penetration of ATO two point eleven B and the

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<v Speaker 1>speed and um and and uh well, probably just the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of two point eleven eight UM. But it it

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<v Speaker 1>was a little it's a little more expensive, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least it was more expensive than NATO two point eleven B.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a while for that too kind of become

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<v Speaker 1>the standard and home networks, but that did become the

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<v Speaker 1>standard after shortly after it was introduced, and uh so

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<v Speaker 1>you would look on routers and you would see if

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<v Speaker 1>we know which which standards it was compatible within eight

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<v Speaker 1>or two point eleven G became more and more common

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, again had another problem with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it had the unregulated signal, just like eight O

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<v Speaker 1>two point eleven B did. So again there were there

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<v Speaker 1>was at least the potential for signals to have some

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<v Speaker 1>interference issues if you had a lot of other wireless

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<v Speaker 1>technologies running in the house, a lot of kids running

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<v Speaker 1>around on walkie talkies or you know exactly, I'll never

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<v Speaker 1>be over it. I'm never over kids over at my

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<v Speaker 1>house walking is that is just the most distracting thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, because especially because you don't have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that who are you people? How did you get

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<v Speaker 1>into my house? Did Superman let you in? Has he

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<v Speaker 1>not gotten over the lead walls thing yet? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that bring us up to two eleven N Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And up until very very recently, this was not an

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<v Speaker 1>approved standard. However, UM, you know I have seen from

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the WiFi Alliances website, UM that at two

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<v Speaker 1>dot eleven and is actually an accepted specification at this time, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>which was supposed to happen this year. So you know

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<v Speaker 1>that those of you who are going, you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so where's the surprise in that. No, that's that's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right on time. They're supposed to do that this year. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, basically you're supposed to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better range with at two dot eleven N

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<v Speaker 1>and speed for that matter, Um. That was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things when I got UM. I got a new

0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:05.040
<v Speaker 1>wireless access point UM a few months ago, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had a proposed ATO two dot eleven and specification in it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, since I am sitting right next to or

0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.360
<v Speaker 1>almost right next to the the access point, I find

0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the ranges great. Yeah, but yeah, you are right next

0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.360
<v Speaker 1>to it as if you could actually plug your device

0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.240
<v Speaker 1>into it with a physical wire. How great the range

0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of details details? Actually, Um, when I was down the hall,

0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I actually moved the computer since then. UM, No, it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was giving me a much better range than

0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the old one. So UM, so you know it was

0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it was an improvement. Um. But yeah, the ATO two

0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.120
<v Speaker 1>dot eleven N is supposed to get you up to

0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a hundred forty megabits per second, which is pretty speedy.

0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's considering I can't even get my my DSL

0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:55.920
<v Speaker 1>connection near that fast. So you were asking Mark about

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<v Speaker 1>the difficulties and networking. If you have different machines running

0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.320
<v Speaker 1>on different uh that require different standards, Yes, that will

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<v Speaker 1>be a problem because you have to have the right

0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's like an antenna. You have to the right

0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of antenna to pick up the right kind of frequency.

0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.280
<v Speaker 1>And UM, it sort of depends on what kind of

0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.000
<v Speaker 1>card you have. Sorry interrupt, No, no no, go ahead, You

0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.720
<v Speaker 1>need to have something that will receive these signals in

0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.560
<v Speaker 1>your computer. UM and uh, you know, you can get

0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.040
<v Speaker 1>cards that are built right in and there are also

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds of cards that you can add on an

0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.000
<v Speaker 1>aftermarket depending on what kind of computer you have. UM.

0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And many of these cards can actually accept more than

0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.680
<v Speaker 1>one standard, like they'll they'll say it'll be you know,

0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you'll see like a B slash in or something like that,

0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.880
<v Speaker 1>or in slash G or Yeah. The chances are actually

0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.880
<v Speaker 1>if you go out and buy whatever off the shelf,

0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.920
<v Speaker 1>now it's going to be end compatible and backwards compatible

0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.360
<v Speaker 1>with the other three standards, which is great. I mean

0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.480
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have those compatible ones, then obviously if

0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you were to get if you were to have an

0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:59.040
<v Speaker 1>old eight O two point eleven G wireless card and

0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.040
<v Speaker 1>a laptop and you get an ETO two point eleven

0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.080
<v Speaker 1>in router, it's not going to do any good. Yeah,

0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to be able to access those faster

0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.440
<v Speaker 1>speeds because you're limited by it's kind of the weakest

0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.200
<v Speaker 1>link in the in the chain, kind of thing. Um,

0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you're you're limited by whatever you are, Your least fast

0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.400
<v Speaker 1>device is going to be uh in that in that

0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.520
<v Speaker 1>chain from router to computer. So yeah, it can cause

0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.240
<v Speaker 1>a little issue. It's not not as bad as you

0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.200
<v Speaker 1>might think because most things that most have routers and

0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.280
<v Speaker 1>modems that have been sold in the last few years

0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.720
<v Speaker 1>have really kind of ironed out a lot of the

0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:38.800
<v Speaker 1>compatibility issues. Um. But that's and you know, again, it's

0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of confusing because the standards do evolve over time

0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and the group is always working on different projects. That

0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.200
<v Speaker 1>mean that you know, within another five or six years

0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.360
<v Speaker 1>we may see something different. And not only that, but

0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:56.040
<v Speaker 1>we have other networking technologies that also come into play

0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that can be a little confusing. There's Bluetooth. Actually, it's

0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.600
<v Speaker 1>funny you mentioned that. I was getting ready to mention.

0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Please do um there are a couple different standards of

0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth technology now. Bluetooth UM in general has a shorter

0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.479
<v Speaker 1>distance that you can use it a smaller range. Yes,

0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that's what I meant. Thank you for fixing that. Um. Hey,

0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.960
<v Speaker 1>who's the editor here? Yeah, well that would be me,

0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.600
<v Speaker 1>except when I'm talking this is why I add it. Um. Yeah,

0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it actually operates on frequency of two point four five

0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.240
<v Speaker 1>gigga hurts uh generally between two point four zero two

0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and two point four eight zero. If you're you know

0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.199
<v Speaker 1>split in hair for those notes. Yeah, yeah, and you

0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.240
<v Speaker 1>can you know, connect up to eight devices, um you

0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.920
<v Speaker 1>find I don't think a lot of people use Bluetooth

0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.119
<v Speaker 1>to connect a lot of devices to their computer. Maybe

0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.680
<v Speaker 1>like a wireless keyboard, er mouse maybe maybe or or yeah,

0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe a printer, sometimes your phone. I had a phone

0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that used Bluetooth, and I could drag and drop files

0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.760
<v Speaker 1>over like if I wanted to change ring tones, I

0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.399
<v Speaker 1>make an MP three and and you know, connect with it.

0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.199
<v Speaker 1>The promise of Bluetooth is really really cool in the

0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.600
<v Speaker 1>sense that you can have this personal area network and

0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, you the network would constantly be changing depending

0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.480
<v Speaker 1>on what devices you brought within the scope of that network.

0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So you can bring two devices together and it creates

0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.960
<v Speaker 1>one network. You bring those two devices toward a third device,

0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and you've got a new network. You take one device away.

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a really flexible, uh and and dynamic system.

0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.719
<v Speaker 1>It's really really cool. I don't think anyone uses it

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<v Speaker 1>to the to its potential. Really, I mean, I don't

0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.800
<v Speaker 1>know one I know of uses Bluetooth. Like the people

0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.240
<v Speaker 1>who use Bluetooth that I know are using the very

0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.639
<v Speaker 1>very basic. So it's normally the headset and the and

0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the phone the handset. Um, that's pretty much it. Or

0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.760
<v Speaker 1>some of them are using some sort of handset and

0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.359
<v Speaker 1>a car like the car that's Bluetooth enabled, so that

0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the handset sinks with the car and they can listen

0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to music, or they can use a EPs system something

0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:05.080
<v Speaker 1>like that where or even use the cars sound system

0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 1>for a if they're taking on calls or things of

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.080
<v Speaker 1>that nature. But again it's still you're talking about a

0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 1>two device maximum there as opposed to what the real

0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.879
<v Speaker 1>potential or Bluetooth is. I know somebody else is going

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<v Speaker 1>to write into now that I think about it. Another

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.280
<v Speaker 1>device that you might see people use with their Bluetooth

0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.520
<v Speaker 1>enabled computer and be a set of headphones. Yeah, that's

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty common. That's true. That's true. That's another common one. Um.

0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:33.320
<v Speaker 1>And another thing we're another kind of wireless standard. Was

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about y max. So y max and

0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.720
<v Speaker 1>WiFi are two different things. They are not the you

0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.920
<v Speaker 1>often will see the media reference y max is saying

0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.120
<v Speaker 1>something like WiFi on steroids, which is I mean it's

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.840
<v Speaker 1>an oversimplification. Yeah, it's definitely an oversimplification. Yes, y max

0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.840
<v Speaker 1>has a greater range than WiFi standards because it can

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<v Speaker 1>reach up to thirty miles right something like somewhere, and

0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and so y max has a much larger ring change.

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 1>And yes, you can get very fast uh down link

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and uplink speeds on y max are relatively fast in

0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.919
<v Speaker 1>the way, about seventy megabits per seconds. So yeah, that's

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty fast. I mean it's still not as fast, you know,

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.280
<v Speaker 1>eight two point eleven and but yes, but you're not

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.040
<v Speaker 1>going to get an eight or two down eleven and

0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.480
<v Speaker 1>much past oh I don't know, like the street in

0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.399
<v Speaker 1>front of your house. Yeah, you're not gonna That's the

0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.640
<v Speaker 1>other thing is that when we talk about these speeds,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the maximum that those devices are capable

0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of generating. That doesn't necessarily mean that's the speed you

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.920
<v Speaker 1>will experience. I will experience it based upon what your

0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.879
<v Speaker 1>I s P provides to you. Actually, when I was

0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.439
<v Speaker 1>saying a few minutes ago that my DSL struggles to

0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.280
<v Speaker 1>reach one point five megabits per second, you know, I

0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.640
<v Speaker 1>have a my router now is an eight or two

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.359
<v Speaker 1>down eleven N I'm never gonna see anything faster than

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.200
<v Speaker 1>one point five megabits per second because that's as fast

0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 1>as it's gonna go. Now, if I connect with another computer,

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.720
<v Speaker 1>if I have, you know, say my music library on

0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 1>one computer I want to move it to another, I

0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.600
<v Speaker 1>can move it at that speed provided my cards in

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.560
<v Speaker 1>both computers will reach that speed. So data transfers within

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.120
<v Speaker 1>your network will go at at the ideal speed, right,

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 1>But data coming into or moving out of your network

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to the outside world the Internet is going to move

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.200
<v Speaker 1>at whatever speed the Internet service provider has designated or

0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.439
<v Speaker 1>what your current technology is capable of delivering. Yeah, so

0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the slowest point of connection in this case would be

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>my you know, pipe to the outside world, and everything

0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.160
<v Speaker 1>else is regulated by that, right, Everything inside super fast,

0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 1>everything outside not so fast. Still fast, just not nearly

0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>as fast as we sit there and think about how

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>slow this is. But then we'd sit there and like, hey,

0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.440
<v Speaker 1>do you remember that these bod modems. Okay, so it's

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.920
<v Speaker 1>very fast compared to dial up modems. So y max

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 1>getting back to wy max um. Yeah, it's a totally

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 1>different set of standards. Uh to dot one six. I

0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:53.879
<v Speaker 1>like to I like to describe wy max the way

0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I tried to describe it to someone, uh, and how

0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 1>it works if you if you want to try and

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.720
<v Speaker 1>visualize it within an analogy is imagine a big circular

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 1>building that has a set number of doors along the

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.880
<v Speaker 1>perimeter of the building. So we'll say forty forty doors

0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>along the perimeter of the building. That means that forty

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.880
<v Speaker 1>people can walk in and out of that building, carrying

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff in and taking stuff out. So there's forty people

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that would be people connecting to the white Max tower

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to get data, so home networks necessary pretty much. Um

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and after the after those forty doors are taken up

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.240
<v Speaker 1>by the various people, that's it. It's not going to

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 1>accept any more people on that tower, which means that

0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>every single person is going to still get the speeds

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.040
<v Speaker 1>that they were promised. You know, there's no choking because

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 1>there's no bottleneck there because the tower has cut off

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the number of people who can connect to it. WiFi

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.200
<v Speaker 1>is different. WiFi people just keep piling in and out.

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 1>There's like one big set of doors, and everyone is

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:56.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to get in and out of that set of

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 1>doors at the same time. So the more people are

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to access a WiFi spot, the slower you're going

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.119
<v Speaker 1>to experience, the slower the data rates will be, slower

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>data transfer rates will be because it does not limit

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the number like y MAX does, so it's a different

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>approach really. UM and y max, of course, is just

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the four G solutions that we're looking at

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in the in the future. There are others as well,

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.439
<v Speaker 1>such as LTE, which is long term evolution. Looks it

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 1>looks like those two are going to be fighting it

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 1>out to be that the four G standard. Depending on

0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 1>whom you ask and where and what what company you

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 1>happen to be working for that is backing which standard.

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Right here in Atlanta we're actually seeing y max now

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>UM and a few other cities in the United States

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>also have y max now and more are expected to

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.679
<v Speaker 1>get it within the next year. Yeah, but LT is

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>on its way, I'm I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And it's

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>also that's also being giving the UH the fast track

0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and development. I do want to clarify though, just to

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.760
<v Speaker 1>make certain that everyone understand hands that if you have

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a Wi Fi card A to two down eleven, a

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>b G or n UM, those may or may not

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>be compatible with you know, a a particular card or

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, some plug in for your computer. But Bluetooth

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and Wi max are going to require their own separate thing.

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>They're not they're not related. You can't get one card,

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, you can't get one card

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.119
<v Speaker 1>that will get all of those frequencies, you know, and

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 1>one thing that you can plug into your machinery looking

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 1>at probably three. Yeah, although I guess you could argue

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that y max could replace WiFi, except unless you're actually well,

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>if you're doing home networking stuff, if you're trying to

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>actually transfer data between machines in your home network, then

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>you will need something. Because wy max it's it's reporting

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>back to the internet service provider. It's not it's not

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 1>a home networking solution. Well, okay, that's actually a good point, because, um,

0:24:55.720 --> 0:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the the particular y max provider that is advertising in

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta area shows off that you can have your

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 1>laptop with you and get access anywhere and you could

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:07.640
<v Speaker 1>be on the bus, you could be you know, at

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>an sidewalk cafe, you could be at your home and

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 1>you're still going to get your winmax speed. Well that's great. However,

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're using basically what they're showing off as a

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>as a dongle type card modem thing. Um, that's the

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 1>scientific term for it, modem card thing. Yes, yes, I

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>think it's on the box. Okay, okay, So anyway, you

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>plug the thing in the side of your computer, you

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>can get and you can go anywhere. What happens if

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you go home and you want to hook up, say

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>your spouse is computer, Well, now you kind of need

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 1>the internet. We'll see that's what's she going to do

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>with it? Okay, so then you're stuck. That's no, no

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 1>more home networking if all you have is that one

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:53.919
<v Speaker 1>type of you know, connectivity. You know, they offer this

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 1>The m X provider also offers a home modem and

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>then you could plug that into wave WiFi connection. But

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 1>if you want to get you know, the Wi Max

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>all around town, you're going to have to have the portable. Yeah,

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a difference. Does have night actually have a

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<v Speaker 1>WiMAX and a WiFi Well, yeah, they Yeah, that's true,

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that's true. I've seen I've seen the packages I've seen

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 1>usually involved you can get one of each. You can

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>get one that's the home solution where you you hook

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that up to your router. So you have to buy

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>both of them, Yes, but but there's some that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a package deal though, so you're getting a discount as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to if you were buying each separately. Yes, yes,

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>so yes, you would still have to have your wireless router,

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>which would that's working on the WiFi if you want

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 1>to hook up all your computers, yes, exactly, and within

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>your home, and then you would have the y max

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:48.400
<v Speaker 1>dongle for whichever computer you have designated as the the

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>main one whenever you're heading outside the house and you

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>want to be able to hook directly to your I

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>s P. The nice thing about that is you don't

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 1>have to pay for any other like WiFi services, any

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>hotspots or anything like that, and you don't have to

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to depend upon no yeah, because with

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 1>the yeah, you're connecting right to the Wi max thing tower,

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>not not to WiFi UH networks. And so I know

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that's a big problem for us, us being me and

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>my wife, we when we're traveling around UH town, we

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 1>have to hope that wherever we're going has a WiFi

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>network and that that hopefully it's a WiFi network where

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>we don't have to pay extra to get attached to it,

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 1>because when you're already paying uh an internet service provider

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to get access to the internet, you kind of hate

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:32.959
<v Speaker 1>the thought of having to pay again because you're like,

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>if we were home, we could access this based on

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>our plan, we wouldn't have to pay extra. So yeah,

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>we get a little yeah mightily miffed. Great was the

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 1>message thereof all, Right, well, I think that that pretty

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>much covers the whole WiFi angle. Yeah. I'm sure we've

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>confused everyone by now. I know I'm more confused than

0:27:55.520 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>when we started, so good job. Um, well, you know,

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess that means that it's time to wrap things

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>up with a little a listener mail. This listener mail

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>comes from kse. Hey, guys, I love the podcast. I

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>had a quick question for you. I've heard that Mac

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and Linux operating systems don't get viruses like Windows computers do.

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>As far as I can tell, I haven't even heard

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>of a virus protection software from my Leopard running operating system.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Is this because the Unix base that Mac and Lenox

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>were built on is less susceptible, or because Windows is

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a little easier to target because of how mainstream they

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>are operating system is keep up the good work, and

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I would love to hear the answer to this sometime. Okay, See,

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>first of all, let's let's address a couple of things. Uh.

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Linux does not have a Unix base. Technically, it is not.

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>It is it was inspired Lennox was inspired by Unix,

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>or rather we should say Linus was inspired by Unix.

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Actually he was inspired by Umnix Minix, which in turn

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>was a a kind of open source alternative to Unix.

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes see, you have Unix, you have the open source

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>alternative to Unix called Minix. You had Linus Torvalds, who

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>was then inspired by Minix to create Linux. So let's

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>get that all the way. Um As for are they

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>just naturally less susceptible? Not technically, I mean there, it's

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it's more challenging to create the uh something that exploits

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>a vulnerability in Linux or Mac because you've got, within

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the case of Linux, you've got a community that is

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>dedicated to finding these things out and fixing them before

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>they become problems. It doesn't mean that it's impossible. It

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>just means it's more challenging because you've you know, you've

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>got the entire worldwide Linux community working on this stuff. Um,

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>even though there are various distributions and each distribution is

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>slightly different from each other distribution Mac, you've got a

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>closed system which is harder to get into and learn

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>how that works because Apple controls the whole Mac situation

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>from the hardware to the operating system. Even so, it

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is possible to create uh programs that exploit vulnerabilities. We've

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>seen that both in max and in Linux systems. Recently,

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>we've seen some that went as that that even exploit

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 1>vulnerabilities or could exploit vulnerability within the Linux kernel itself. Um,

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that there as vulnerable as a Windows system.

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Your question of is Windows more vulnerable because it's more

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>popular In a way, Yes, it's certainly more popular with

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>hackers for one thing. I mean it's it's more accessible. Also,

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>more people are using Windows, So therefore your target is

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>You've got a target rich environment is what our friends

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>in the military would call it. It's it means that

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>if you do write some malicious software, you're gonna hit

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>way more victims. If you do it for Windows, then

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna hit if you use it for Macrolnox just

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>because there are more people using Windows out there than

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the alternatives. But if you look at some of the

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 1>vulnerabilities that exploit servers off where that's all Linux based stuff. Yeah,

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean almost all of it, not not all of it,

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>don't write me, I know, not all of it, but

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a great deal of it. So it is possible, it's

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>just not as common. Yeah, And there are there are

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a couple of security providers who have written uh mac

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>virus software and has been out for many many years now. Um.

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Actually I think snow Leppard came with some anti virus

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>in under the hood. Yeah, it's it's sort of invisible. Actually,

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not like I've actually noticed it, let me put it

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that way. Um, but but yeah, I mean, and and

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the one, the one I would say that is arguable, argue,

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I believe the largest. Um it's a company called Intigo.

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And they're the ones who always draw attention to vulnerabilities

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>when they are pointed out, and um, they usually get

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of picked on, uh and in some of the

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff that I've read because they go, oh, yeah, well

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>you guys are the ones writing this saw where of

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>course that's what happens when Symantec or or McAfee also

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>points out that there are vulnerabilities out there. I mean,

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>they have a vested interest in keeping that um in mind.

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of and a lot of cases to

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the Mac stuff scans for Windows uh UM malware as well,

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>which is useful if you're running an Intel MAAC and

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>happen to be running and happen to have an installation

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of Windows and the Mac operating system on your Mac UM.

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it can be handy. But a lot

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of people in the Mac world still believe that their

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>position is very secure and do not use any virus

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>software right now. That does not mean if you have

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a Mac or Linux machine that you should go clicking

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>on every single link and and installing every single application

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you come across, because you never know when that that

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>vulnerability will be discovered and exploited. Uh. Here's the tricky

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>thing about hackers who find vulnerabilities. Some of them don't

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>make it public knowledge, and so it may be you

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>know that it's constantly a game of let's catch up

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>to what the hackers know and uh and then patch it.

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>So just be careful. Uh yeah, Max and Lennox machines

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>aren't gonna experience them as often as windows are uh,

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>just in general, but it's it's not outside the realm

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of possibility. I hope you enjoyed that look back. I

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>will remind you that things have changed quite a bit

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>since two thousand nine. We have seen improvements in both

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>y Max and WiFi over that time, as well as

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>improvements to Bluetooth and other wireless transmission technologies. No big

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>surprise there. You would imagine that we would continue to

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>improve on those. But I hope that gives you the

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>basics that you needed to understand the differences and what

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>these things do and what they're intended for. And if

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