Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast has time traveled back from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: Pero for President from the.
Speaker 3: Chris Wesley podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's Around the NFL. Dan Hands is here.
Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal gotta guess I'm gonna introduce in a moment,
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Mark, Thank you eighteen ninety two.
Speaker 4: That's where you presume that I went to.
Speaker 3: We were under the impression, at least I was, yeah
Speaker 3: that because we saw your Instagram Camp happ Big Camp
Speaker 3: Happiness weekend.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I my my.
Speaker 3: Concern Mark was posting pictures from Camp Happiness to well
Speaker 3: maybe okay. I thought maybe you got stuck in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety two, hence Monday's absence. Because time travel can be tricky.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows that it's a basic knowledge about time travel
Speaker 3: that one thing goes wrong, one wire gets cross, you
Speaker 3: don't eighty eight, you don't get where you need to be,
Speaker 3: so and I see you back, Welcome back.
Speaker 5: I think the only fly in the ointment there is
Speaker 5: that I texted you right before the show to alert
Speaker 5: you that I was not going to be here. But
Speaker 5: I that that was not an option to me back
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: You could it could have been a time to release
Speaker 3: of a text. That's what I'm saying. There's just a
Speaker 3: lot of things.
Speaker 5: I think you you went to the most logical place
Speaker 5: concerning my absence.
Speaker 6: For whatever reason, ras Puro has really over indexed and
Speaker 6: mentions on this podcast in the last twelve years.
Speaker 1: He like love that adoor.
Speaker 2: He comes up a lot.
Speaker 1: I love that guy. This YouTube audience.
Speaker 5: It's a you know what, I will explain what it
Speaker 5: is real quick, and I mean unless we would like
Speaker 5: to introduce sorry, we're get us to okay, But like
Speaker 5: h I it's a series that I decided to do
Speaker 5: about like my guy friends from over the years. And
Speaker 5: it's like, I feel like guys are just constantly like
Speaker 5: I know, everyone's like guys are just getting slammed left
Speaker 5: and right, and so it's like kind of celebrating my
Speaker 5: manhood groups of friends that are that are male based.
Speaker 1: This is like what the elks are for, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we don't have that anymore.
Speaker 1: You can't. There's a moose lodge in my town. You enjoyed,
Speaker 1: let's do it.
Speaker 4: I would check it out.
Speaker 1: Our guest to my right, Andrew Siciliano.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I'm enjoying this. It looked like Harry Potter
Speaker 2: robes there that first shot. We put up the maroon
Speaker 2: and the yellow. I don't know where we got those,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, that looked that was good. What would
Speaker 2: you do differently if you could talk to your nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety two self, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 4: I don't think anything.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I think like you would like
Speaker 2: I think I'm confident talk to women or like.
Speaker 1: No, that was never a big issue.
Speaker 5: I think it's more like, if you change one little thing,
Speaker 5: I could be living in like Iowa right now, and
Speaker 5: I don't want to be doing that, so I wouldn't
Speaker 5: last butterfly effect. Yeah, I think like you might have
Speaker 5: a whole ton of bunch of stuff up.
Speaker 1: How about Ceciliana.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this two paths for Siciliano and
Speaker 3: at Syracuse the way I think it, Andrew always a
Speaker 3: great broadcaster, always, I'm sure had the drive to be
Speaker 3: so Andrew either spent almost all this time in the
Speaker 3: journalism building or or Ceciliano was the guy like doing
Speaker 3: play by play of beer pung in the toga at
Speaker 3: the frat parties, like.
Speaker 1: Which one is? Which one is the more?
Speaker 3: Let me ask the boys first more likely scenario toga party,
Speaker 3: play by play or nose in the books and on
Speaker 3: the mic.
Speaker 6: Get a man that can do both. I mean it's college.
Speaker 6: Most people are doing both or high achievers. I think
Speaker 6: like Andrew, they they know how to get it done,
Speaker 6: they know how to have a time.
Speaker 1: I had wrong.
Speaker 2: I had my nights out, don't get me wrong, but no,
Speaker 2: I was like, okay 's wrong.
Speaker 1: You strike me as didn't know any of those people.
Speaker 3: But that was because I went to an unserious institution,
Speaker 3: to Lane University in a.
Speaker 2: Great party town or are we on the couch right now?
Speaker 2: Part of it was probably too compensate for my lack
Speaker 2: of a social life. I threw myself into my work
Speaker 2: as a slightly awkward child. I'm like, I'm just gonna work.
Speaker 4: I can also attest.
Speaker 5: I went to Ithaca for like a semester, but at
Speaker 5: one point, like the weather up there, I'm not good. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like I would say as a college student, like if
Speaker 5: you're a guy, females literally disappear off terra Firmer.
Speaker 1: They go, They're gone in April.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there is no terra firma. It's all covered
Speaker 2: in ice and snow.
Speaker 4: It's a disaster.
Speaker 2: Seasonal depression is year long in central New York because
Speaker 2: the sun dies, it does not live there. I remember
Speaker 2: calling my mother up my sophomore year saying, no, Mom.
Speaker 1: You don't get it.
Speaker 2: The sun doesn't live here, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: That's why I also you, that's Central New York, Western
Speaker 3: New York. Why the Bills needed to get a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: We got to give the Bills a Super Bowl. Those
Speaker 3: are people that have earned it just through the weather quotion.
Speaker 1: Well, they're going to have They're going to have a roof.
Speaker 6: And I am excited that Mark is celebrating the revival
Speaker 6: of men's friendships and how important this is. And I'm going
Speaker 6: to bring that up the next time. It's so hard
Speaker 6: to get him to show up to a dinner with
Speaker 6: the two of us.
Speaker 5: I had a couple photos of you in there, Freg,
Speaker 5: so you just you go check it out.
Speaker 3: I appreciated that. Oh yeah, there's a great one, Wes
Speaker 3: and I good hair.
Speaker 6: I look a lot younger there, I look a lot
Speaker 6: younger in the old news.
Speaker 3: You look twenty one years old there. All right, West
Speaker 3: is toast Dwayne mine, I believe in the back. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: great Chris Westling, Okay. So today is our annual springtime
Speaker 3: spin around the American Football Conference. Andrew is going to
Speaker 3: help us out. Happy to be here, Gore for providing,
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. We're going to go three
Speaker 3: minutes on each team in the AFC, starting with the
Speaker 3: East all the way to the West. On Thursday, we'll
Speaker 3: do the same thing again with Patrick Claiban in the
Speaker 3: fourth chair.
Speaker 1: So we mentioned the Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Bills without further ado, let's get this thing going. By
Speaker 3: the way, Eric Roberts, you need we need to connect
Speaker 3: with Eric. I know you've done this before, but a
Speaker 3: reminder that the this is not there's no wiggle room
Speaker 3: with the clock. If we say three minutes per team,
Speaker 3: we mean three minutes per team.
Speaker 1: We must move.
Speaker 3: If you need to use potential lethal force, Eric, you
Speaker 3: can and uh, well, look there's a clock. And for
Speaker 3: the first time we have a clock. Actually wow, the scoreboard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we get you know, we get three timeouts and
Speaker 3: you know, I forget it.
Speaker 2: Ironically inside of two minutes are their coaches challenge?
Speaker 1: Does the review challenges? But that's a nice side.
Speaker 3: I am a man who loves to make up games,
Speaker 3: and I love that wrinkle I'm going to think about
Speaker 3: that for a future game.
Speaker 1: Eric, did you have something to say? I did not.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm dealing with some Wi Fi stuff.
Speaker 1: Back.
Speaker 3: I can say you seem to be struggling a little bit,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know if you're trying to reach me
Speaker 3: about something.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm good. We're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, WiFi loves to take a crap at the best times.
Speaker 1: But I think we're good.
Speaker 2: I got the gun. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 3: It is a dart gun, and you are feel free
Speaker 3: to aim for the jugular, but nothing above the neck.
Speaker 1: Right, we're broadcasters after it.
Speaker 5: If we overspeak Andrew, after the three minute window, okay,
Speaker 5: the gun comes out and takes you out.
Speaker 2: Okay, no cattle prod. It's actually a shot from Yes.
Speaker 3: You can hear that, okay if you look in the
Speaker 3: corners of the room that they're mounted guns.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it, Andrew.
Speaker 3: You are our guest, so you're gonna get us going,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna talk about those buffalo bills.
Speaker 1: Yes, do, let's roll.
Speaker 2: The buffalo bills. I remember sitting without that's a broadcaster
Speaker 2: for the bars with you guys in Hermosa Beach when
Speaker 2: you did your road show last year. Do you remember
Speaker 2: that last spring? And I said, this is the year
Speaker 2: where it's make or break for the Bills. The window
Speaker 2: is officially closing, and if they don't win, they're going
Speaker 2: to blow the entire thing up. I was not right,
Speaker 2: but I do think the window is closing. Sean McDermott
Speaker 2: is back, Josh Allen is back. The defense has to
Speaker 2: be torn down to the studs. Dig somehow is still
Speaker 2: there despite that cap number, though maybe that changes.
Speaker 1: On Draft Day.
Speaker 2: They bring in Curtis Samuel, They bring in mac Hollins,
Speaker 2: two guys not exactly known as field stretchers, but different
Speaker 2: and interesting weapons for Josh Allen. My question is, as
Speaker 2: they rework this defense, has the window closed on this
Speaker 2: version of the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6: I think it's the first restart in employer leaving.
Speaker 1: He's in Miami now. MIKEA.
Speaker 6: Hyde we don't know about, but I have a feeling
Speaker 6: he's going to retire at Tardevius White like the defense
Speaker 6: has finally restarted. Had to do it. But that doesn't
Speaker 6: mean to me the windows closed. It just reminds me
Speaker 6: they are a lesser version of the Patriots, where you're
Speaker 6: like restarting. As long as the coach and the quarterback
Speaker 6: are there, you're restarting in certain ways. I just need
Speaker 6: to see Brandon Bean so a little bit of that magic.
Speaker 6: Because this whole thing started by getting great draft picks
Speaker 6: in great low cost free agents, and they've lost so
Speaker 6: many players on defense Floyd Jack lass and potiford Linvald Joseph,
Speaker 6: Jordan Phillips, Tim Selk all those guys in the secondary
Speaker 6: I just mentioned. They got to start replacing them with
Speaker 6: contributors in the draft and some low cost free agents
Speaker 6: because we know they don't have much money.
Speaker 5: They lost a ton of leadership too. I had a
Speaker 5: problem with their skill position situation a year ago. They
Speaker 5: seemed like one guy short, and I don't know if
Speaker 5: Curtis Samuel or mac holland solves that right now. I
Speaker 5: would say, though, with Josh Allen, especially in the AFC
Speaker 5: East where the Dolphins took a number of hits themselves,
Speaker 5: yes they have a chance to win the division, and
Speaker 5: then yes they have a chance to do anything with
Speaker 5: Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: It's interesting with Alan too because the window in some
Speaker 3: ways has closed because his contract situation gets more and
Speaker 3: more complicated, like the cap. He's starting to eat up
Speaker 3: more and more cap and that's going to continue to
Speaker 3: build over the next three years, which makes it more
Speaker 3: and more difficult. Now, it doesn't mean that they can't
Speaker 3: do it. I still think you mentioned Diggs Andrew. I
Speaker 3: just feel it that there's something there that gives them
Speaker 3: cap relief, that rids them of a player that might
Speaker 3: be starting to become more trouble and it's worth and
Speaker 3: they get to radically reinvent.
Speaker 1: And maybe some draft capital.
Speaker 3: The playmaker situation, so digs on the move before draft
Speaker 3: day is something I still see in the mix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so as well. And I'm gonna answer
Speaker 1: my own question.
Speaker 2: I don't think that the window is closed, but it is,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Greg, a total defensive teardown. They have
Speaker 2: to go younger and cheaper, which means that much more
Speaker 2: on Josh Allen's shoulder.
Speaker 6: But you know what, they resigned Toarn Johnson. When I
Speaker 6: look at their defensive roster, it's still pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's still good, not bad, right, I feel good Like
Speaker 2: I kind of started slowly.
Speaker 3: There no way to what is the end of it
Speaker 3: at zero? That's the point that the Miami Dolphins wait
Speaker 3: hold on.
Speaker 1: Now we hit zero. We finished our conversation. I was saying,
Speaker 1: that felt good.
Speaker 3: What the hell?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that is Welcome to the jungle Baby absorbed weaponry.
Speaker 3: The Miami Dolphins part of darkness. Here the Miami Dolphins. Okay,
Speaker 3: here we go. Where are we at with the Dolphins?
Speaker 3: H and can wen it down just a little bit
Speaker 3: some of the sound effects. My brain is about to explode.
Speaker 3: The Miami Dolphins are in an interesting place. Obviously a
Speaker 3: building block season last year. Obviously the TUA getting through
Speaker 3: a full season putting up numbers. Obviously, the season didn't
Speaker 3: end the way they wanted it to. They blew the
Speaker 3: division and then weren't competitive against the Chiefs. Now there's
Speaker 3: some greag. Salary cap is real. They had to make
Speaker 3: some moves to get under the cap and get in
Speaker 3: better condition. That meant they lose a lot of big
Speaker 3: pieces of their defense, including Christian Wilkins. It means they
Speaker 3: lose one of their best offensive linemen, Robert Hunt, and
Speaker 3: it puts them in a situation here now where it's
Speaker 3: going to be a test with new defensive coordinator Anthony
Speaker 3: Weaver to get that team in a good place defensively
Speaker 3: and make them a difference maker and not a issue
Speaker 3: with the same old questions. I'm sorry to say about
Speaker 3: the offense with Tua as a big time offense that
Speaker 3: could win a title.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to a conversation I had
Speaker 2: with Tyreek Hill name dropper super Bowl week. He was
Speaker 2: doing the tour obviously for Super Bowl Week, and we
Speaker 2: talked to him on NFL Network. The excuses are done,
Speaker 2: like show me something in January, and they're gonna be
Speaker 2: a good team. They're going to score a lot of points.
Speaker 2: I know they're reworking the defense. A lot of it
Speaker 2: has to do with the injuries and the guys coming back.
Speaker 2: New faces in there certainly as well. The names are
Speaker 2: less important to me than the results here with Mike
Speaker 2: McDaniel and TWOA and the pieces they have on offense.
Speaker 2: They haven't won a playoff game since what a decade
Speaker 2: at least. I mean, last time they were interesting the
Speaker 2: playoffs was when Matt Moore was starting in Pittsburgh and
Speaker 2: Tannehill was hurt. Show me that you could win. I
Speaker 2: don't care about the weather anymore.
Speaker 6: Right, I think the offense is weirdly the bigger question
Speaker 6: because they basically brought back the same group we didn't
Speaker 6: talk about on the show, but Toron Arms that is
Speaker 6: back with them. They ended up resigning Isaiah when like
Speaker 6: it's the same offense you bring in John news Smith.
Speaker 6: I do think it should be pointed out with all
Speaker 6: these people that have left and cuts and Zaving Howe
Speaker 6: and he's gone, they've had some of my favorite kind
Speaker 6: of like low watted signings.
Speaker 3: Kenna Fuller was a nice signing. Jordan Brooks I think
Speaker 3: was a nice signing.
Speaker 6: Jordan Poyer adds some like veteran know how in that second,
Speaker 6: they haven't done nothing. Shaq Barrett's like a good rotation
Speaker 6: guy still, so it's not like they've been totally quiet.
Speaker 6: My bigger thing is just like the offense, which is
Speaker 6: the same, is that same gonna beginning?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: I on the offensive line, Like I don't like losing
Speaker 5: Robert Hunt. I think if it's when you don't have
Speaker 5: Tron Ormston in there, which you have to count on
Speaker 5: a couple games a year where he's not gonna play.
Speaker 5: It seems like at this point in his career you
Speaker 5: look at that like PFF set up. I don't love
Speaker 5: what's in front of two Ay and that causes a
Speaker 5: lot of problems for two when he's not help when
Speaker 5: they're unhealthy.
Speaker 2: Low key comments said to me when Anthony Weaver was
Speaker 2: named d C. Show me a D line coach who
Speaker 2: became a good DC. D line coaches generally can't coordinate
Speaker 2: the back end.
Speaker 3: That'll be fast and don't forget it. Sounds like trouble
Speaker 3: to entering the final year of his deal. So it
Speaker 3: is a big season for Miami, big decisions.
Speaker 1: New York Jets Greg Rosevelt.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, is there a bigger boom or bust
Speaker 6: this year or else team that we've seen in the
Speaker 6: last like twenty years. They signed Mike Williams since we
Speaker 6: last did a show. I think that's a good signing,
Speaker 6: especially for the structure, but it's just so typical. Williams
Speaker 6: is on a one year contract, injury risk. Rogers is
Speaker 6: year to year. At this point, I think it's safe
Speaker 6: to say both tackles Morgan Moses who they traded for
Speaker 6: and Tyron Smith that they brought in are on one
Speaker 6: year deals or on the final year of their deals
Speaker 6: injury risks there. This is just like the ultimate year
Speaker 6: to year thing, which is not good process.
Speaker 2: It usually doesn't work.
Speaker 6: And yet if I was a Jets fan like Dan,
Speaker 6: no one's ever accused me of this before.
Speaker 1: Someone said I was just being nice about the Jets
Speaker 1: on Twitter to like suck up to Dan. I've never
Speaker 1: done that.
Speaker 6: I'm saying you should lead into it this year because
Speaker 6: what other options do you have. I think they did
Speaker 6: the most that they could do with this offseason.
Speaker 3: On off I think I think Joe D's had a
Speaker 3: great seven days. I thought all the moves made sense
Speaker 3: in a vacuum. They also none of these moves for
Speaker 3: a team that's all in for this year. All these
Speaker 3: moves he's added, he's gotten the roster better without like
Speaker 3: burying the team like going forward. Yeah, so it's like
Speaker 3: very much about right now, right here, without selling the
Speaker 3: farm and mortgaging the future. And as I've said Mark
Speaker 3: multiple times in the last few weeks, like hashtag once,
Speaker 3: this only needs to work once, and I know it
Speaker 3: probably won't because history tells us that it won't. But
Speaker 3: this is a pretty damn good roster and if things click,
Speaker 3: this team is going to be good.
Speaker 5: I don't think Aaron Rodgers would have survived last season
Speaker 5: even if you wiped away what happened if run behind
Speaker 5: that line. They needed to address it. They've addressed it.
Speaker 5: I think Mike Williams of Healthy absolutely is a huge
Speaker 5: asset for Aaron Rodgers in the offense. My problem, though,
Speaker 5: is the experience of Aaron Rodgers grows a little stranger
Speaker 5: by the week. You're gonna that's not going to change,
Speaker 5: And you didn't have the internal self scouting and decision
Speaker 5: making and correct decision making to replace the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: I just don't trust Core Keen components of what the
Speaker 4: Jets have.
Speaker 2: Remember when Rogers had his end of season presser and
Speaker 2: he said, we need to avoid distractions. All right, great, thanks.
Speaker 2: If if he does run, which it sounds like he's
Speaker 2: not going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think he's the choice.
Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time on do we have
Speaker 2: to give because the equal time thing? Do we have
Speaker 2: to give equal time now to the other candidates on
Speaker 2: NFL network if he is a legitimate candidate.
Speaker 6: No, that's a question for you to give to our
Speaker 6: newsy our news director.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a Charlie Yuke conversation. I have very
Speaker 2: little faith and I like the guy. Tyron Smith has
Speaker 2: been playing for thirty five years. He came into the
Speaker 2: league at twelve years old that he and his back
Speaker 2: can hold up for eighteen weeks. So I think everyone
Speaker 2: likes to say, oh my god, they're going wide receiver
Speaker 2: now because they got the offensive line figured out. No,
Speaker 2: take fu Waga, take the best tackle here, because you
Speaker 2: are going to need one of those tackles. If Tyron
Speaker 2: Smith goes down, this whole goes down.
Speaker 1: And there on one year deals exactly, they'll take the
Speaker 1: dart once. Just only needs to work once.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Moving on the New England Patriots, Oh no, dart Mark
Speaker 3: Sessler should have gotten a dart select all right.
Speaker 5: What I do see with the Patriots is people are
Speaker 5: talking about it like Antonio Gibson, a true tonal shift
Speaker 5: inside the building with Girodmeyo. And yet at the same time,
Speaker 5: I look at a roster that really seems to be
Speaker 5: handled this offseason the way that a Bill Belichick operation
Speaker 5: would largely have done, which is a lot of resigning
Speaker 5: your own guys. There were whispers of them being attied
Speaker 5: to Calvin Ridley, no dice. There were talks about them
Speaker 5: maybe with a big time defensive player, negatory Mac Jones
Speaker 5: sent into Obstenia.
Speaker 1: That's a big change.
Speaker 5: But the Patriots went completely silent, and they could have
Speaker 5: had justin fields for a bag of spoons. I would
Speaker 5: have liked that concept. And then you go maybe do
Speaker 5: something else in the draft. To me, I just see
Speaker 5: a roster that looks it was one of the worst
Speaker 5: in the AFC. It looks very similar to me, and
Speaker 5: I think there's not enough change for yes, you're going
Speaker 5: to go get a quarterback, but it's that quarterback going
Speaker 5: to be in a good position if you don't trade.
Speaker 3: Sound like we I right now in Boston, people Patriots
Speaker 3: offseason relax. I have some patients. I like the idea that.
Speaker 6: I am encouraged by what they're doing, which is being patient.
Speaker 6: I disagree on some level that it's a Bill it's
Speaker 6: a Belichick type offseason because actually they kept players at
Speaker 6: high salaries that they know are good that he usually
Speaker 6: just kind of let walk. They gave Michael when You
Speaker 6: big money, like a lot of their best players happened
Speaker 6: to be free agents, and so they kept them. Kyle Duggar,
Speaker 6: good job hunter, Henry solid player, like they much money.
Speaker 6: They've led everyone walk for years, right, and but they
Speaker 6: kept players that actually, like to me, free agency is
Speaker 6: best done by going for role players and to be
Speaker 6: Jacobe Prisett, Tony, Antonio Gibson, a Corps for kg Osborn.
Speaker 6: Those are all good role players and I don't think
Speaker 6: they're done yet, and I think it all sets up
Speaker 6: for them taking a quarterback.
Speaker 4: You are running back a team that won four games though.
Speaker 3: Well the defense though on paper you're keeping young players
Speaker 3: I really like, but they're not really running back because
Speaker 3: they're going to make a big change at quarterback. Here's
Speaker 3: the question in that, I think all the Patriots ends
Speaker 3: I'm sure also.
Speaker 1: Talking about onn EI.
Speaker 3: Do you take the guy at three and for a
Speaker 3: team that needs so much work, or do you trade
Speaker 3: that pick, gather more assets and build the roster that
Speaker 3: way and still maybe take a quarterback. You have to
Speaker 3: love Andrew. You gotta love that for me if you're
Speaker 3: the Patriots, and I get the strategy of just keep
Speaker 3: taking quarterbacks, but you gotta love the prospect that's there
Speaker 3: at three to make that move.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I think you do move back.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. You don't take the quarterback for
Speaker 2: the sake of taking the quarterback. You have to be
Speaker 2: in love with the quarterback who is there for you
Speaker 2: at three. I love Jake Briskett. I know I wish
Speaker 2: the Browns had gotten Jake Briskett back in the building.
Speaker 2: If it means punting on a year on quarterback, even
Speaker 2: though next year's class is supposedly not good that, I'm
Speaker 2: for that. If you don't love that guy. I also
Speaker 2: want to ask, has anyone's seen the end of the
Speaker 2: dynasty dock yet? And and considering what Craft said about Belichick,
Speaker 2: when did he record that? Because there was no.
Speaker 1: Way did seven seconds? Oh it's too deep.
Speaker 2: But he couldn't have taken the shots at Belichick that
Speaker 2: he took if he knew that Belichick was going to
Speaker 2: be back this year. All right, No, no, no, no, A
Speaker 2: little bit of clock.
Speaker 3: I was at one. The clock management failure there is.
Speaker 3: That's a great time to call t O. Okay, so
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it now. We're gonna to O.
Speaker 4: We need to know more.
Speaker 3: I don't know you're making like the twenty this is the.
Speaker 2: Twenty second timeout thing college basketball guy, I'm twenty second out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely not. This is twenty that is twenty yeah?
Speaker 3: And what's the full tea.
Speaker 1: Time? All right? Here we go. Good to know what
Speaker 1: happened in this documentary. You guys gotta watch it.
Speaker 2: But I watched the final two episodes last night, and
Speaker 2: it's not in any way as if Craft, you know,
Speaker 2: assassinated Bill Belichick. But the last couple of episodes, he
Speaker 2: is pretty direct.
Speaker 1: In saying.
Speaker 2: It had to change, and Bill's no fun to work for,
Speaker 2: and it was miserable at times, and you know, tell
Speaker 2: us the story of Giselle coming in in the off
Speaker 2: season before the twenty eighteen season saying, this guy doesn't
Speaker 2: respect my husband. We're at it here basically came back
Speaker 2: how miserable eighteen was. He did not pull punches. He
Speaker 2: said all the right things about Bill Belichick, and maybe
Speaker 2: I'm exaggerating a bit, but he said some very direct
Speaker 2: things where if Belichick were back on the podium come
Speaker 2: Draft weekend, it would be fascinating to hear him. Ask
Speaker 2: did you hear what he said there? Now? Bill wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to go back down memory lane. I have no
Speaker 2: doubt I said what I said in the dock and
Speaker 2: that's it. But there was some hmmm, I don't have
Speaker 2: an Apple TV. I will just like purchase this show
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 3: Masters of the Air also, but the whole thing prematurely
Speaker 3: annoys me because of everything I've heard about it, which
Speaker 3: is that it's very much a Robert Kraft production, and
Speaker 3: it feels like, I can give you my sign it
Speaker 3: has a Brady slant to it, definitely, and then you
Speaker 3: feel that throughout all ten episodes. But at the end
Speaker 3: when it really gets good, you're like, wow, Craft just
Speaker 3: said that, but you don't know when he said it.
Speaker 3: You're saying, I don't know when he said it.
Speaker 2: And my question is, did he say things last summer
Speaker 2: where he knew this was it?
Speaker 1: Whatever this was. Maybe it was during the season.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was during the season when he knew it
Speaker 2: was over. Because some of the comments, you're like, wow, okay,
Speaker 2: do you want him to respond on the on an
Speaker 2: official team podium.
Speaker 1: To that m It's like, let's pipe down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My my wife works for Apple TV plus and Mark
Speaker 3: I just want you know, I don't appreciate the idea.
Speaker 1: Of sharing past.
Speaker 2: You've never seen Ted Lasso. Everybody's got to calm down
Speaker 2: about Ted lassoed LA.
Speaker 5: I'll note that then it does seem slightly unethical to
Speaker 5: announce publish.
Speaker 6: I was saying, I think there's a way you could
Speaker 6: just buy the show without getting up with the I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and when we get
Speaker 3: back the AFC North. All right, we're all back, and
Speaker 3: now it is time to roll into the AFC North.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the North champs, the Baltimore Ravens, and
Speaker 3: fittingly it's Mark Sessler on Baltimore.
Speaker 5: I have always been an antagonist to the Ravens for
Speaker 5: obvious and overt reasons, but I actually think they have
Speaker 5: done something to set themselves very well up in the draft.
Speaker 5: Because they've got the thirtieth pick. Overall, you can take
Speaker 5: a wide out to pair with Za Flowers. It's gonna
Speaker 5: a great white out draft. You've got a second round pick,
Speaker 5: a third round pick, and two forths. And I think
Speaker 5: what you do there is you spend two of those
Speaker 5: to bolster an offensive line that lost some bodies, and
Speaker 5: then you have added Derrick Henry to this backfield. And
Speaker 5: if you are the Browns, if you are the Steelers,
Speaker 5: you are the Bengals, You're going to be spending two
Speaker 5: Sundays in autumn next autumn staring at Derrick Henry and
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson in a backfield creating total dark chaos and
Speaker 5: I cannot say it enough. Dereck Henry could have gone
Speaker 5: to the Texans, fine, he could have gone somewhere else.
Speaker 5: I think this move because I really think that the
Speaker 5: people are sleeping on where Derek Henry is and still
Speaker 5: in his career is still a bit. I think this
Speaker 5: is a perfect fit. I think he's gonna cause total chaos.
Speaker 5: I think the Ravens are onto something where I finally
Speaker 5: think if this works, they can win games in January
Speaker 5: versus completely melting away. But it starts with this draft
Speaker 5: and making sure their offensive line can do what it
Speaker 5: needs to do.
Speaker 2: And it also starts in January if they actually run
Speaker 2: the ball when they get into a playoff game, which
Speaker 2: goes not to Bingo this past time. I think Dereck
Speaker 2: Henry is a great addition. I feel like he's been
Speaker 2: a Raven half his life anyway. I feel like we've
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to see this right. So he follows
Speaker 2: McNair and Soamari Roll and Derek Mason from Tennessee to Baltimore.
Speaker 2: I am concerned though, with the tread on the tire,
Speaker 2: leading the league in carries in four out of the
Speaker 2: last five years. They need a lot of running backs
Speaker 2: and just fingers crossed you hope Keaton Mitchell's ready in September.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he will be, and he'll be
Speaker 2: that same guy JK. Dobbins, who knows you need a
Speaker 2: lot of bodies here. My concern is I need him
Speaker 2: healthy for January. Right, It's not Derek Henry in September.
Speaker 2: It's Dereck Henry in January. I feel like they need
Speaker 2: three more running.
Speaker 3: And I'll tee you up on this. Greg Kevin Cole,
Speaker 3: formerly of PFF. Now he's with unexpected points. They have
Speaker 3: a something called a Improvement Index points based improvement in
Speaker 3: NFL plus minus based on offseason roster and draft value.
Speaker 3: Raven's far and away the bottom of that list. That
Speaker 3: negative six LUs. Yeah, that's the other way to look
Speaker 3: at this, that this roster just isn't a strong.
Speaker 6: F They have a major incomplete and this is what
Speaker 6: they do. They do the compensatory pick game. So they
Speaker 6: wait and they sign players later and they get cheap.
Speaker 6: But this is a very difficult test for Eric to
Speaker 6: cost to the GM. I was thinking the same thing
Speaker 6: without having those numbers. If you just go onto the
Speaker 6: NFL Free agency page, on NFL dot com. And you
Speaker 6: look at the departures. I mean, it's like a Russian novel.
Speaker 6: Here it goes on and on. You just keep scrolling.
Speaker 6: I counted seven doom scrolling offensive players and six seven
Speaker 6: defensive players and six offensive players who had significant roles,
Speaker 6: including a big chunk of their offensive line. Three starters there.
Speaker 6: So they have still a lot of work to do.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of positions. You just look at the roster.
Speaker 6: They're a little thin.
Speaker 5: You have six picks in the first five rounds. Though,
Speaker 5: I think that I trust the three.
Speaker 1: You're lucky. Wow, you you you rolled that red light?
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait a minute, get the shoot his ass It had.
Speaker 1: Stopped close ass away. I agree with that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he runs the red light.
Speaker 2: I point out that he ran the red light, and
Speaker 2: I'm the one that gets it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Welcome to the Terror Dome baby. All right, Andrew,
Speaker 3: your boyhood team. You've been the voice of this team.
Speaker 3: It's the Cleveland Browns. Okay, the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You got Judy and Jamis and those are the big headliners.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I was on the radio with
Speaker 2: them with with what Browns Radio this morning. They asked me,
Speaker 2: are the Browns better now than they were ten days ago?
Speaker 2: I had to pause and think about it, and I
Speaker 2: think that they are. Jerry Judy is a steel for
Speaker 2: a five and a six. The contract. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to get under the hood on those numbers. Remember he
Speaker 2: had thirteen million left this year, so I think it's
Speaker 2: like a two year extension for maybe twenty six. Considering
Speaker 2: what Ridley got, I don't disagree that much with the deal.
Speaker 2: I love Zadarias Smith coming back. I think Quentin Jefferson
Speaker 2: is in under the radar signing that is good. I
Speaker 2: think there's no shot they're going to get Christian Wilkins.
Speaker 2: The thing here is Jamis and Flacco. I'd rather have
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco to be blunt. I know Jamis is ten
Speaker 2: years younger. The most fascinating thing about the Browns season
Speaker 2: to me is talking to Kevin Stefanski in Indy, Like
Speaker 2: I got this legitimate excitement to get in the lab
Speaker 2: with Ken Dorsey, like to have this intellectual rebuilding of
Speaker 2: the offense in the off season, taking the RPO stuff
Speaker 2: that they did with Josh in Buffalo and kind of
Speaker 2: mixing that in now and rebuilding this offense almost from
Speaker 2: the ground up. I would love to see what that
Speaker 2: looks like, and said I got a.
Speaker 5: Couple of quick problems with the Browns though, because number one,
Speaker 5: I think losing Bill Callahan is you're losing one of
Speaker 5: those two or three offensive line coaches that finds a
Speaker 5: magical way to make it work no matter who's in
Speaker 5: the lineup, and they've dealt with that. I say number two,
Speaker 5: the flack of things suggest to me that they were
Speaker 5: scared to sign someone who was too popular with the
Speaker 5: fan base. That's just how I feel great for the
Speaker 5: locker room too, or the locker room because I think
Speaker 5: the third thing is I would ask the question like
Speaker 5: I get that the we don't know where we are.
Speaker 5: Where we are with Deshaun Watson the player right now,
Speaker 5: that's a huge question mark. But where is the locker
Speaker 5: room with Deshaun wattson the person. I think that's just
Speaker 5: something that feels we don't really have a full, full,
Speaker 5: complete answer on that.
Speaker 6: I think the question they asked you is a good
Speaker 6: one because, and this isn't to take a shot at
Speaker 6: them just more than any other team. They've had very
Speaker 6: little departures and arrivals, which is fine. They have a
Speaker 6: lot of I think the Judy contract is.
Speaker 3: Gonna end up looking just fine. Actually I have no
Speaker 3: problem with that contract. But like they swapped out some linebackers.
Speaker 3: They're line back there, Jordan Hicks and Devin Bush.
Speaker 1: That's not great.
Speaker 3: But if that's your biggest issue, that's not a bad one.
Speaker 3: What version We haven't really talked about this a lot,
Speaker 3: but that was a ghastly knee injury for Nick Chubb.
Speaker 1: What version of Chubb returns?
Speaker 3: And to the credit of Stefanski and that team in
Speaker 3: Callahan and the fact that they were able to keep moving,
Speaker 3: keep on chugging on offense without Chubb, without Watson tells
Speaker 3: you that they could do it even if it's not
Speaker 3: the same Chubb. But I hope we get generational talent
Speaker 3: Shubb back this year, but we'll have to rate but.
Speaker 4: More RPO stuff like that.
Speaker 5: My one thing is when Deshaun Watson has been in
Speaker 5: there for various sample sizes, like we lost Nick Chubb
Speaker 5: on some level, we lost the same version of Nick Chubb.
Speaker 5: It's not going to change If they're trying to work
Speaker 5: more RPO Josh Allen type stuff.
Speaker 2: No one has any idea if he's even ready in September.
Speaker 6: You lost to Shaun Watson, the Houston version. That's what
Speaker 6: they need more than anything.
Speaker 3: Steve Smith said, Tier three for Judy. No, No, the
Speaker 3: clock that's way off. That's erroneous.
Speaker 2: You know, I will, I will say something about this.
Speaker 3: You know, shoe based on the chimes, Shoe pacers lay on.
Speaker 2: This on this one is compared to the one of them.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like on the a half second.
Speaker 3: You know, when I was building this out the first
Speaker 3: time I was, the chimes were the confusing part for
Speaker 3: me because I'm like, where do I get the zeros
Speaker 3: lined up for the beginning of the chime, the middle
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 1: Chime, the end of chime. You have a gun in
Speaker 1: your hand, You've got to be sure.
Speaker 5: But you've got like got Mark David Chappan behind the
Speaker 5: back there be careful.
Speaker 3: Oh man, imagine if we had producer Eric during the
Speaker 3: Cold War, the Cuban missile crisis just be rubble everywhere
Speaker 3: across the universe.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on, here we go.
Speaker 3: Talk about a dated reference, the Pittsburgh that's historical mark like.
Speaker 1: It is part of reference. It is part of.
Speaker 3: History, and that's it's a major part of world history. Yes,
Speaker 3: but it dodged the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Anybody feel like potential little Arthur Smith redemption.
Speaker 1: Season s z N on the way? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, maybe though, because remember some
Speaker 3: guy what do you call it?
Speaker 1: Mark?
Speaker 3: Always bringing up? Is it Peter Principal? He maybe got
Speaker 3: one one tier higher than he needed to be.
Speaker 1: But be on your skill set.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was very much an effective play caller and
Speaker 3: successful in his previous stop in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So what do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about It's biggest story line in the league,
Speaker 3: the quarterback room shake up in Pittsburgh. No one's had
Speaker 3: a more intriguing off season as they completely redid that room.
Speaker 3: Now we'll see what Smith can do. And I'm interested
Speaker 3: in how this all plays out, obviously with Russell Wilson
Speaker 3: and fields. But other than that, Greg, what have you
Speaker 3: seen in terms they've They lost Deontay Johnson, which I
Speaker 3: thought was a maybe questionable move.
Speaker 1: Anything else about this team that jumps out to you? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I don't love a lot of their positions, but especially
Speaker 6: wide receiver. Their number two wide receiver right now is
Speaker 6: either Calvin Austin or Van Jefferson. That's a fiasco. So
Speaker 6: they wanted to get rid of Deontay Johnson. It's a
Speaker 6: bet on Dante Jackson. Even with adding Dante Jackson is
Speaker 6: a cornerback from Carolina like they are. Then Steelers fans
Speaker 6: are so excited because I think they see a little
Speaker 6: bit of different thinking by adding fields in Wilson. But
Speaker 6: I look at their cornerbacks, their wide receivers, their offensive line,
Speaker 6: some really big spots, and I see a team that
Speaker 6: looks rather incomplete to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is worst roster in the division. I
Speaker 3: think it's safe to say they have it.
Speaker 4: They have the twentieth pick.
Speaker 5: I think it's just one of those wide receiver drafts
Speaker 5: where you could solve that problem pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: I love the Patrick Queen addition.
Speaker 5: I just think it's like I think it's it's an
Speaker 5: interesting quarterback experiment because Fields to be behind Russell Wilson
Speaker 5: or behind anyone like fans are gonna want to see
Speaker 5: Justin Field's asap, like the minute Russell Wilson sorts to
Speaker 5: create a snooze fest, Like Justin Fields is a bit
Speaker 5: of an interesting character to have as your number two
Speaker 5: and I think he'll start sooner than later.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating experiment of quarterback and I think it's
Speaker 2: actually a really, really smart one. You got Russell for nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was out on the curb, but they
Speaker 2: were trying to throw him away. You get him for free,
Speaker 2: and you get Justin Fields for free. If I told
Speaker 2: you mid season last year I can get Justin Fields
Speaker 2: for a six, you probably would have laughed me out
Speaker 2: of the room. And Arthur Smith is going to use
Speaker 2: him in situational run game stuff. I guarantee you that, right.
Speaker 2: And if you're Zach Orr or Jim Schwartz or lu
Speaker 2: Ana Romo, and you have to plan for the possibility
Speaker 2: of Justin Field's getting on the field, and then let's
Speaker 2: say Russell's either hurt or injured come October or early November,
Speaker 2: which seems to be inevitable. Right, You're throwing Justin Fields
Speaker 2: and maybe you saved the season, and maybe he doesn't
Speaker 2: even get to fifty one percent playtime and you still
Speaker 2: only give up a skit.
Speaker 6: But in the past, Arthur Smith is all about play
Speaker 6: action passing and throwing over the middle of the field
Speaker 6: and under center. Quarterbacks and guys who get rid of
Speaker 6: the ball quickly. Literally the exact opposite of Russell Wilson
Speaker 6: and Justin Fields, who to me, are very similar. I
Speaker 6: think they're similar, but it's different than what Smith has had.
Speaker 3: I trust Pittsburgh's ability to identify wide receiver talent. They
Speaker 3: do bring in knuckleheads at that position. Yes, they're good
Speaker 3: at the knuckleheads. Time out, by the way, Oh not
Speaker 3: a twenty. By the way, it's always Dan taking the timeouts.
Speaker 6: I remember I once took a time out on this
Speaker 6: show and was like, giving an e were scolder?
Speaker 3: Yes, well, because I think it's ironic for someone that's
Speaker 3: very plugged into clock management and you seem to be
Speaker 3: good at it when we're watching games, then you're kind
Speaker 3: of a mess when it comes back.
Speaker 6: You're like Sean McVay over here, we've blown two timeouts
Speaker 6: and we're in the first half.
Speaker 3: We were all on the same page about the Patriots
Speaker 3: needed to be done. I agree because the new guy,
Speaker 3: you know, he should have saved No. I wanted to
Speaker 3: hear what he said because I hadn't heard anything one left.
Speaker 2: We'd not point out that the Steelers should not have
Speaker 2: won the game. That Sean McVay gets ripped for his
Speaker 2: time out management and didn't have a challenge here when
Speaker 2: the Steelers were in town this past season, so they
Speaker 2: couldn't challenge the Kenny Pickett didn't get that fourth down keeper? Right?
Speaker 2: But do we all agree that Kenny Pickett was a
Speaker 2: yard and a half short?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Remember Steelers only made the playoffs because of that.
Speaker 1: Bs I was locked in a closet.
Speaker 3: I know, I don't remember anything about the Kenny Pickett
Speaker 3: Aaron Pittsburgh Week seven. Look, I love Russell Wilson. Fake tweets,
Speaker 3: Fly up a fake tweet, Russell Wilson. This is after
Speaker 3: the Justin Fields move. Let's get it Justin Field's QB
Speaker 3: room about to be triple fire emoji?
Speaker 1: God, what did you just love Russell Wilson? Just once?
Speaker 1: You know hashtag once? Be real? Like this sucks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What was his true internal monologue when it's unfolded?
Speaker 3: Because we don't need it, like you don't need to
Speaker 3: like we know you are a competitor. You you are
Speaker 3: very much in the cross crosshairs of everyone thinking you're washed,
Speaker 3: like this is your last chance. Really, in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, this is the last thing you wanted was
Speaker 3: to have Fields in the room. So just lay low
Speaker 3: and just think to yourself, I'm gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: let that guy get on the field, but instead we
Speaker 3: get this stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh, this kulb room's about to be fire.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, And if he said nothing on social media,
Speaker 2: it would be inferred that it's a cold shoulder.
Speaker 3: And let it be fine, let it be, Let it be,
Speaker 3: you know, for once, mister, don't be so completely preoccupied
Speaker 3: with your image.
Speaker 1: Just got his ass on the field and win.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that it's actually a sincere Wow,
Speaker 2: we're better now with him.
Speaker 1: No, not with it us to you or to him.
Speaker 1: How about that game? You might be right?
Speaker 3: Okay, I could be a cynical bastard at times, but
Speaker 3: I don't really think that.
Speaker 6: In that game that he took a picture of Fields
Speaker 6: versus Wilson one of each of their better games of
Speaker 6: the season. I mean, Justin Fields had three hundred and
Speaker 6: thirty five yards four passing touchdowns in a game that
Speaker 6: the Bears put up thirty points or twenty eight points. Rather,
Speaker 6: it's like Justin Fields is a better player when he
Speaker 6: had Kenny Pickett as his backup. Russell Wilson was the
Speaker 6: better quarterback, and he had a guy behind him that
Speaker 6: the whole.
Speaker 2: Fan base disliked Russell. Now you've got a guy who's
Speaker 2: they're both going to start games this year.
Speaker 4: Buckle up, Wilson gone by Columbus Day.
Speaker 3: For those that are unaware, that is, I believe the
Speaker 3: second week of October.
Speaker 1: It seems to Flo you've.
Speaker 3: Also believe renamed the holiday is Indigenous People's Day. So again, Mark,
Speaker 3: if we can just be respectful of everyone around.
Speaker 1: Us, I'm out of this diamond Greggie on the.
Speaker 6: Bengals, I'm a sneaky big fan of Duke Tobin, who
Speaker 6: our friend Chris Wesleyan always used to give a lot
Speaker 6: of credit to who. I think this ownership has been
Speaker 6: tough to work for it, and yet he always makes
Speaker 6: it work. I think they've had a sneaky great offseason,
Speaker 6: maybe one of the better off seasons out there.
Speaker 1: They let Joana Williams go. You upgrade in talent.
Speaker 6: I believe with Trent Brown, who's every other year and
Speaker 6: this is by that logic, is his good year. It's
Speaker 6: his honeymoon year. You're keeping t Higgins. Don't let him go.
Speaker 6: It's still a nice wide receiver room there. You swap
Speaker 6: out Joe Mixon for Zack Moss for less money. I
Speaker 6: like that Sheldon Rankins, Gino Stone, even bringing back Von
Speaker 6: bell As just some depth. Like these are the types
Speaker 6: of moves I actually think that work in free agency,
Speaker 6: just filling these little holes with solid, rotational beans. They're
Speaker 6: smarter than they get credit for, and I think they
Speaker 6: are set up quite well to enter this draft not
Speaker 6: having any crazy big need doing whatever they need to do.
Speaker 5: And I trust Duketo, but I trust this Ross. I
Speaker 5: like like Mica Sicki to at tight end. They needed
Speaker 5: to address that position. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 5: Zach Moss paired with Chase Brown. I think they are
Speaker 5: a target to draft a running back and then a
Speaker 5: not great running back draft. It just seems like Zach
Speaker 5: Moss feels like a little I'd like him in Indianapolis
Speaker 5: slash year, but it feels like a little bit of
Speaker 5: a projection. I don't know exactly what you're getting there
Speaker 5: with that running back room.
Speaker 2: Zach Moss's numbers when Jonathan Taylor was injured early in
Speaker 2: the season are coming back from the contract and the
Speaker 2: injury and all that, We're fantastic. I think Zach Moss
Speaker 2: is a great move, and honestly, I think he's an upgrade.
Speaker 2: You finally get rid of the Joe Mixon. How long
Speaker 2: is he going to be here questioning? You ship him
Speaker 2: to Houston, and good for Joe for getting that deal.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. It's an upgrade here in the
Speaker 2: offensive line if Trent Brown, if you get the real
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, the guy that can actually play. It all
Speaker 2: comes down to whether or not you keep the quarterback healthy, period,
Speaker 2: full stop. It speaks to what they thought of the
Speaker 2: safety play last year. I know the big turnover on
Speaker 2: the second in the secondary was a question coming into
Speaker 2: the season. The signings show that they weren't exactly thrilled
Speaker 2: with it. They get their defensive tackle, although I don't
Speaker 2: think Sheldon Rankins was the number one target of the
Speaker 2: fan base.
Speaker 1: Here they get, but they needed it.
Speaker 6: They feel actually more win or not like else than
Speaker 6: the Bills. To me, yes, right now this year I
Speaker 6: feel I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they're in similar places and.
Speaker 2: We agree there's there's not I'm sorry, no, Justin Jefferson
Speaker 2: trade here for t Higgins.
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Those internet rumors. Shut up, Grow up, Peter Pantys. I
Speaker 3: missed the Bengals last year. I thought the AFC was
Speaker 3: a more great place without them. Burrow was only truly
Speaker 3: healthy for a couple of weeks, and what he was,
Speaker 3: it was like, Oh, there's Joe Burrow and there's Jamar
Speaker 3: Chase and we're having fun again. And then he disappeared
Speaker 3: with that injury in primetime, which was just like then
Speaker 3: the deer what started with Rogers on Monday Night Football?
Speaker 3: Like when Burrow went down, it was like, oh, come on,
Speaker 3: this season's annoying. Then somehow the Chiefs when the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl again without any weapons, get him back.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's make the NFL more fun again. Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow in the mix, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, Jake Browning was watchable to say, I mean nothing
Speaker 5: else again.
Speaker 6: Let's calm down Westling brothers complaining about the Bengals offseason.
Speaker 1: I think they've had a nice Let's take a break. Actually,
Speaker 1: during breaks, little bumpers, we got a little legal room.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get some text from Nick Westling about that one.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna like that watchable. Bill will be a
Speaker 3: little bit more diplomatic. Nick might get fired.
Speaker 1: They're just like, what are we doing?
Speaker 6: It's like, Okay, it's the first day of free agency.
Speaker 6: Let's let your boy Duke Tobin do his work.
Speaker 1: Let's underrate it.
Speaker 2: Let's do cook he's underrated.
Speaker 5: Mark any comments before we go to break. I am
Speaker 5: going to stop talking for a little bit. After what
Speaker 5: happened before. I am very happy. I'm very happy for
Speaker 5: that for that holiday and everyone, and it celebrates.
Speaker 3: The Italians don't like sharing the holiday, but we're gonna
Speaker 3: that we could do that as a that's a separate
Speaker 3: pie guest.
Speaker 1: Well, well fine, I'm I'm not going to say another word.
Speaker 1: Save us for October thirteenth podcast.
Speaker 7: We'll do s take a break, We'll be I'm begging
Speaker 7: you to shut up, right everybody, I saw that coming.
Speaker 1: As repulsive and can never be screenplayed. I thought it
Speaker 1: was good. I mean, what happened. That was for Monday.
Speaker 1: That was for Monday Show. Give a physical breakdown, We
Speaker 1: try things, we explore the space.
Speaker 3: It was Somalia Monday, Monday.
Speaker 1: It was Somalia Monday.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go the a f C South,
Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal, get us going with the division champion Texans.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Walker's new favorite team, Big Nico'collins and c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud fan. He wears that T shirt everywhere, But I'm focused.
Speaker 1: On the defense. He awarded the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: He did one of the only people wearing a CJ.
Speaker 6: Stroud T shirt to the Super Bowl. I'm focused on
Speaker 6: the defense because that's what they're focused on. They basically
Speaker 6: brought back the exact same offense so far, other than
Speaker 6: swapping in Joe Mixon for Singletary.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 6: Whatever, fully fought to Kassi Deniko Autry. You swap out
Speaker 6: Grenard for Daniel Hunter, you bring in outsaier at linebacker,
Speaker 6: Like how good can this team be? Basically if they
Speaker 6: are right about these defensive moves, because I think they
Speaker 6: looked and I don't think it's crazy as this as
Speaker 6: a window to win now, but they looked at it
Speaker 6: like our offense is good enough.
Speaker 1: We need to help this defense.
Speaker 2: For Demiko, I think they will be a trendy Super
Speaker 2: Bowl pick in the AFC. I don't think they're going
Speaker 2: to make it to New Orleans, but I think they're
Speaker 2: going to be a trendy pick. On the power of
Speaker 2: the quarterback, and the quarterback is now officially a drawing
Speaker 2: card when it comes to free agency, much like Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow was a couple of years ago when he burst
Speaker 2: onto the scene.
Speaker 1: I think they might be in that kickoff game. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me.
Speaker 2: Would not surprise me at all. I think this is
Speaker 2: a good team team that has really elevated the entire division.
Speaker 2: A year ago, we were sitting here saying what are
Speaker 2: the Jaguars and don't get to them later?
Speaker 1: What are the Jaguars? Are they?
Speaker 2: Are they a real contender or are they just a
Speaker 2: good team in a really bad division. I think now
Speaker 2: it's what are the Texans? Are they a legit contender
Speaker 2: or a good team in a mediocre division. I think
Speaker 2: they are a legit contender if they could run the football,
Speaker 2: and that's the key.
Speaker 5: I think mixing helps as much as we might be
Speaker 5: fine with the Bengals moving on from Joe Mixon, I
Speaker 5: think they've showed a commitment to him with a contract
Speaker 5: that he's had a big role.
Speaker 4: That was a problem for them a year ago.
Speaker 5: I thought they were maybe going to address wide receiver
Speaker 5: in free agency with someone significant. But it's good news
Speaker 5: for Tank Dell and Nico Collins that.
Speaker 6: They did exact same receivers, the same same offensive line.
Speaker 4: The one thing is.
Speaker 5: I mean some of these teams, when you're a frustrated fan,
Speaker 5: where it's like a you're a year eight of a
Speaker 5: ten year rebuilding process.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 4: I can't think of.
Speaker 5: Too many teams that flip the switch as quickly as
Speaker 5: they have. Undert they were a dead zone, they were
Speaker 5: a wilderness a number of years ago. They completely have
Speaker 5: transformed that, and I like them as much as the
Speaker 5: Bengals or the Bills go deep into the playoffs.
Speaker 4: I mean I felt that way last season.
Speaker 1: Thanked Ell suffered a bad leggadar. I think he broke
Speaker 1: his leg. He's up and running.
Speaker 2: However, this week everyone says he's great, and they have
Speaker 2: a second round pick for a wider.
Speaker 1: So that's great.
Speaker 3: They do not have a first round pick after their
Speaker 3: trade with the Viking, so yeah, I think they're telling you,
Speaker 3: we like what we're building. So they've kind of kept
Speaker 3: the roster more or less intact and they're going to
Speaker 3: see if they can build off year one with Stroud.
Speaker 1: You can't blame him for that.
Speaker 6: Right, I Mean, it's amazing luxury to have that sort
Speaker 6: of continuity with a relatively young roster on offense. But
Speaker 6: there's plenty of veterans sprinkled in there where it's like
Speaker 6: literally the exact same group in year two under slowk.
Speaker 6: I mean they're expecting that growth to just come from,
Speaker 6: you know, everyone knowing what to do.
Speaker 3: Expectations can be a bitch. Moving on the Jacksonville jack
Speaker 3: u ares with Mark Sessler.
Speaker 5: And to Andrews's point, I felt the same way about
Speaker 5: the Jaguars that you know, a year ago they were
Speaker 5: the centerpiece and a team that we were focused on
Speaker 5: as a playoff new sense that could go do things
Speaker 5: we didn't expect. But they've already tumbled behind Stroud and
Speaker 5: the Texans and arguably even maybe the Colts with Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson in like the AFC South sexiness rankings, and I
Speaker 5: do like what they did though on one level they
Speaker 5: didn't overpay for Calvin Ridley. I think that showed that
Speaker 5: was a smart move to not do that. I thought
Speaker 5: Mitch Morris at center makes their offensive line tougher and nastier.
Speaker 5: I love adding along with keeping Josh Allen. Eric Armstead
Speaker 5: was about the size of a front door to go
Speaker 5: a lot next to freight Trayvon Walker. They can stop
Speaker 5: the run that matters against the Colts it's going to
Speaker 5: matter against the Texans. That said, this is a team
Speaker 5: that went one in five down the stretch, and it
Speaker 5: kind of made me question kind of the soul of
Speaker 5: the Jaguars, and do you also feel a little suspicious
Speaker 5: about what this team's ceiling is.
Speaker 3: I think so much goes back to and I feel
Speaker 3: like we've been talking about this a couple of years now,
Speaker 3: but Trevor Lawrence and whether he's going to become that dude,
Speaker 3: and he showed signs of it the previous year. Last
Speaker 3: year was he was just ruined by injuries, and so
Speaker 3: I don't want to I think people are like, well,
Speaker 3: everyone's so high in Houston. I think people are a
Speaker 3: little quick now to just just say Jacksonville's in the
Speaker 3: deep background, because I think if you can get a
Speaker 3: healthy year out of Lawrence, that's going to cover up
Speaker 3: a lot of ills in this team and they may
Speaker 3: be more competitive and even be a team that could
Speaker 3: win this division with better health and circumstances.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this real quick. It is heading
Speaker 2: into year number four for Trevor Lawrence. It is that
Speaker 2: offseason like with Herbert or Burrow or Josh Allen where
Speaker 2: you write the big check. He is now extension eligible.
Speaker 2: Do you write Trevor Lawrence a big check this summer?
Speaker 3: I would same, I would because the price only goes up.
Speaker 2: Correct, But what's the price Remember the Dolphins punted there
Speaker 2: the Tua concussion.
Speaker 1: Issues last year.
Speaker 6: The price is lower if the further you're out from
Speaker 6: free agency. And I guess the larger question is is
Speaker 6: there any chance they're not giving it. I'm a contract
Speaker 6: extension at some point, I would say, no, they shouldn't
Speaker 6: consider that.
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, just sign him. Is that
Speaker 1: what you're asking?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 4: Like, do you really see him the top ten top
Speaker 4: that he hates the guy now?
Speaker 2: Trent Balkey on his end of the year presser said,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's not leaving, will tag him or do a deal?
Speaker 2: And yay, guys, let yes, Trevor is our guy. We're
Speaker 2: happy to do.
Speaker 6: I think he's a step below the top seven or
Speaker 6: eight guys, so the contract becomes annoying or tricky.
Speaker 1: But what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 6: Because to me, he's very much ahead of He's way
Speaker 6: ahead of the Dalton line.
Speaker 3: I would say his NFL career so far has been
Speaker 3: a be But that's the problem. Is he came in
Speaker 3: Towder's a generational quarterback, and that's I think a little
Speaker 3: bit of a tax that's working against him. I think
Speaker 3: there's room for him to develop and grow. I think
Speaker 3: those are the guys you bet on.
Speaker 5: And look how he finished year two when he was
Speaker 5: healthy as one of the best quarterbacks down the stretch
Speaker 5: in the league. And last year you're right he was
Speaker 5: derailed by physical ailment.
Speaker 1: Hard to judge.
Speaker 3: I like the artful dead move so much, one of
Speaker 3: my favorites all off season. Agreed the Indianapolis Colts with
Speaker 3: Andrew Siciliano.
Speaker 2: Oh, sarahcuse graduate and let me pull up my Colts
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Speaker 2: well speaking of Orangemen. When we start the clock there
Speaker 2: it is bam speaking of Orangeman. Zire Franklin, congratulations on
Speaker 2: your new field.
Speaker 1: That's a broadcast.
Speaker 2: The Colts obviously made a point of keeping in the
Speaker 2: building with Michael Pittman and zay Or Franklin. I feel
Speaker 2: like this is very much a Chris Ballard incomplete conflicting
Speaker 2: on who you want to believe, on whether or not
Speaker 2: Lugarius Sneed is a legitimate target. I feel like they still, however,
Speaker 2: have a have a move to make here somewhere. I
Speaker 2: love the Flacco move, and I know I'm being a
Speaker 2: Browns homer here. I think Joe Flacco, this version of
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, not the I'm tired and I don't like
Speaker 2: Lamar is here and I want to get out of here.
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco that we saw in Baltimore, but the one
Speaker 2: we saw last year helps Anthony Richardson immeasurably. And I
Speaker 2: think there is a good over under to be had here.
Speaker 2: How many games, considering Richardson's injury pasted last year, does
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco actually start? I'm gonna go over under five
Speaker 2: and a half?
Speaker 5: Whoa, because I think Richardson it's the concussion thing in
Speaker 5: the way that they want to use them. I could
Speaker 5: see that happening. And I think you mentioned this Greg previously,
Speaker 5: that like Shane Stikeen, it's a lot of shows confidence
Speaker 5: to go have Anthony Richardson, but then also say I
Speaker 5: can build an offense on the fly around Joe Flacco too.
Speaker 1: They're two completely different human.
Speaker 6: I love that you pointed out the Steed news. So
Speaker 6: there's been some reporting that Titans Colts are possibility for sneed.
Speaker 6: Him and Marshawn Lattimore are two really big names out
Speaker 6: there that are going to change someone's offseason, and the
Speaker 6: Colts would make a lot of sense because if you
Speaker 6: go to the NFL dot Com, it's a bunch of resignings.
Speaker 1: Seven of them.
Speaker 6: They resign Moss, you know, Zach Bosson Minshew are the
Speaker 6: biggest players that left, so almost no one's gone out.
Speaker 6: If you go on Our Lads, which has the best
Speaker 6: depth charts, it's highlighted if you have any new players.
Speaker 6: I did this exercise for all the AFC teams today.
Speaker 6: They are the only team without any highlighted players in
Speaker 6: their starting lineup. They have the twenty two essentially same
Speaker 6: starters as they did a year ago, or at least
Speaker 6: people that were on their roster a year ago. So
Speaker 6: they've they've made almost no I like Raykwon Davis is
Speaker 6: a nice rotation guy, and that's it. They're basically running
Speaker 6: it back. I think they have another move to make.
Speaker 3: The Colts this is from the athletic committed one hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy million to hang on to their internal guys, Pittman, Franklin,
Speaker 3: Grover Stewart, Kenny Moore the second good players, and I think,
Speaker 3: like Houston, I think they believe in what they're building.
Speaker 3: And it's easy to forget now, but Richardson really flashed
Speaker 3: in between the injuries and you can't look you can't
Speaker 3: look past the head stuff and then how his season ended.
Speaker 3: But I really think there's a reason for a lot
Speaker 3: of excitement around this team. And yeah, I still see
Speaker 3: him as a dark horse. Did you say five and
Speaker 3: a half?
Speaker 1: Oh and a half? That's rue. I'm banging the under
Speaker 1: just out of hope and optimism real quick.
Speaker 2: I was in Indianapolis Week six last year Brown's Colts,
Speaker 2: and I was right after they had shut Richardson down
Speaker 2: for the year, walking around town and in that building,
Speaker 2: you thought their season was over. Nobody has any reason
Speaker 2: to come to any game the rest of the year.
Speaker 2: And look what they did. Good Jane Steike and can coach.
Speaker 2: He's a great coach.
Speaker 1: Good GM.
Speaker 2: I'll take it, like, hold on, do we have to
Speaker 2: wait until that very last note fades into Bolivian or
Speaker 2: somebody once.
Speaker 1: Said you take the shot? I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: these rules confuse me. Take it from the sixth floor
Speaker 1: of the book depositibs.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: Also, these darts appear to have no effect on a human.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling losey. I have to say book depository. Check
Speaker 2: out the new Rob Ryan or JFK podcast.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about it all time out? Okay,
Speaker 2: Dartum can't talk in the middle of the segment. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is just it's Tennessee Titans, all right. Where where
Speaker 2: are the Titans at now?
Speaker 1: Okay? So Derrick Henry out the door.
Speaker 3: They also lose Aziz al Shayer, Jean Murphy, Bunting, Deniko Autry. Okay,
Speaker 3: but we add Calvin Ridley, Tony Pollard, Lloyd Cushionberry. That
Speaker 3: addresses three major areas of need for this team. You
Speaker 3: get Mason Rudolph in the building. So here's my question.
Speaker 3: The seventh overall pick they have. They have Will Levis,
Speaker 3: and they seem to really believe in Will Levis and
Speaker 3: and maybe that's fine to just turn the season over
Speaker 3: to him with a nice supporting cast and see what happens.
Speaker 3: But I wonder, like, move the sticks Jeremiah. He's saying
Speaker 3: Joe Alt's the guy, and everybody loves Joe Alt and
Speaker 3: adding someone after the Andre Dillard. This fire makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense at left tackle, and you further build
Speaker 3: around this prospect.
Speaker 1: But man, if.
Speaker 3: There's a quarterback you like, not gonna seventh, but maybe
Speaker 3: you get a little ballsy and and and trade up
Speaker 3: and make a move. I'm just saying, are they laying
Speaker 3: in the weeds a little bit on a quarterback?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think though, they would love a quarterback to fall
Speaker 2: there so they can get out sure and get more.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that is their perfect scenario.
Speaker 5: They're pretty committed to to let'say. It's a new coaching staff,
Speaker 5: so that was a question mark coming in. I mean,
Speaker 5: this is the team that added Bill Callahan. I think
Speaker 5: that matters. So the issues around the offensive line were
Speaker 5: terrible for every quarterback the past couple of years in Tennessee.
Speaker 5: They weren't great for the ground game, and so getting
Speaker 5: the best tackle makes a lot of sense. I think
Speaker 5: it starts right there to keep your quarterback safe to
Speaker 5: have a functional offense.
Speaker 6: They still have the third most amount of cap space
Speaker 6: in the NFL. There's too many teams with too much
Speaker 6: cap space. They have forty six million dollars. Well, what
Speaker 6: was the point of all that they have no good
Speaker 6: players to spend it on. So I guess that's the
Speaker 6: reason that they played a lot of good players great money.
Speaker 6: You know, in terms of Ridley, like a Woozy is
Speaker 6: coming off of a down year. They are kind of
Speaker 6: slipping a little back into the background here. They're the
Speaker 6: least exciting team now to me in this division.
Speaker 3: I just I don't want to because we've been a
Speaker 3: little critical Tennessee and I don't want to go too
Speaker 3: far down that road. But I just didn't see it
Speaker 3: with Levis the way the Titans see it, and they're
Speaker 3: gonna develop him of another year it looks like.
Speaker 1: But I just think they should get some moments.
Speaker 2: He had some.
Speaker 1: Moments the Steelers game in prime to he got.
Speaker 3: The one game had and how much did he really
Speaker 3: show us?
Speaker 6: He showed some big time throws, He showed some traits
Speaker 6: in terms of being able to read the defense.
Speaker 3: He also showed some you know, craziness.
Speaker 6: I think you just like, I think your point about
Speaker 6: Callahan is good because that's to me, the biggest reason
Speaker 6: to believe in this because otherwise it's kind of like
Speaker 6: a EH coaching staff and a roster.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm with you, Dan though, Like there's only
Speaker 5: one way to survive in the league right now, and
Speaker 5: it's to have the best possible quarterback you can. And
Speaker 5: like Levis could just be a one year realization that
Speaker 5: this was not the guy, and then you've wasted a
Speaker 5: season and you.
Speaker 1: Could have had Dereck Henry with Brian Callahan and a rebuilt.
Speaker 2: Off that made that decision. But then you're paying a
Speaker 2: thirty year old running back who.
Speaker 1: Has You're paying tiny Tony Fire just as much. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I like that combo him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, they're the worst team in the division.
Speaker 8: But I think Pieces, good job there.
Speaker 1: Pieces.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means discipline.
Speaker 3: I was really nervous for you there, because you've taken
Speaker 3: many shots to the body in the throat area.
Speaker 1: The jugular took a couple of hits, but that one
Speaker 1: you landed beautifully.
Speaker 2: I feel like Indiana Jones here floating down the river
Speaker 2: on a raft, just getting the blow.
Speaker 1: Dart.
Speaker 3: Now, don't give them the dart because now we're heading
Speaker 3: into a break. We have a little bit more.
Speaker 5: I don't get the rules around this, the darts situation
Speaker 5: on any level.
Speaker 3: What what's pretty clear? Good night now? Let's take a
Speaker 3: break and hit the AFC. Weist all right, we are back.
Speaker 3: It is time now to wrap up this path around
Speaker 3: the AFC in forty eight minutes. And let us start
Speaker 3: with me, the Zuzzar and the Kansas City Chiefs, the
Speaker 3: defending Super Bowl champions.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown in the building, MVS out of the building.
Speaker 3: I guess it's an upgrade. I'm not that on fire
Speaker 3: about it, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Lagarious need, as we just mentioned earlier, still on the
Speaker 3: roster on that franchise tag.
Speaker 1: Is he the guy the chess piece that.
Speaker 3: Allows them to bring in that real piece they need
Speaker 3: on offense and to make an aggressive move, whether it's
Speaker 3: up the draft board or a player for player swap.
Speaker 3: I am so curious Andrew Siciliano, if the Chiefs really
Speaker 3: have the gall to go into another season with this
Speaker 3: type of skill group around them and Travis Kelcey another
Speaker 3: year older on offense, or are they gonna make the
Speaker 3: splash move that makes so much sense.
Speaker 2: I think they need to go go out and get
Speaker 2: a legit number one marquise. Hollywood Brown, although a nice
Speaker 2: piece and certainly I think makes that offense better.
Speaker 1: Is not in any way a legit number one.
Speaker 2: Go back to the trade with the Cardinals gave up
Speaker 2: a first round pick to get him on draft a
Speaker 2: couple years ago. Is still just dumbfounding to me, but
Speaker 2: happy for him that he found a good spot. You
Speaker 2: can get it a legit number one, likely picking at
Speaker 2: thirty two, you could, or you could try to make
Speaker 2: a move up. I think they're fine. I think they
Speaker 2: will figure it out one way or the other. I
Speaker 2: do think tackle is a concern. Certainly got to replace
Speaker 2: Donovan Smith, and let's face at Jwan Taylor, who lined
Speaker 2: up at full back for much of the season, seems
Speaker 2: like a questionable signing now a year past, It's.
Speaker 5: Not a terrible draft for offensive lineman. So it's same
Speaker 5: with wide receivers. The Marquis Brown thing. I don't hate
Speaker 5: it with this fit because it was a one year deal.
Speaker 5: They didn't know for pay him. Like in Marky's Brown
Speaker 5: was stuck in a run heavy Greg Roman offense in
Speaker 5: Baltimore and played largely without Kyler Murray for much of
Speaker 5: his time in Arizona. So it's like I think the
Speaker 5: Chiefs are the one A lot of landing spots for him.
Speaker 5: I would have been annoyed at this. I think is
Speaker 5: part of a larger plan. It's good for Rashid Rice.
Speaker 5: I think they draft someone it looks like a different wipe.
Speaker 6: I think he's a significant upgrade from Valdez Scantleen and
Speaker 6: he's cheaper. And the difference between this year and last
Speaker 6: year is you're going into this year kind of knowing
Speaker 6: Rashi Rice is a two plus maybe with room to grow.
Speaker 6: So now you have two guys that are guys you
Speaker 6: need one more. The sneed piece is massive. I do
Speaker 6: wonder if they're letting him test the market and see, like, hey,
Speaker 6: no one's given you that contract that you want, maybe
Speaker 6: it's not so bad to just come back with us
Speaker 6: for one more year because that defense man, they have
Speaker 6: great continuity for a defensive defending champion. They're quite young
Speaker 6: on defense with a lot of those same players coming back.
Speaker 1: Like I like that if I'm a Chief.
Speaker 3: It was Mahomes with some help obviously, just enough help,
Speaker 3: and then a great defense with a great defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: that got it done. I feel like also that they
Speaker 3: kind of got away with murder a little bit this
Speaker 3: past year where they had some roster flaws that otherwise
Speaker 3: would have sunk their season, but so many things broke
Speaker 3: against other teams around them. Thank you that they still
Speaker 3: won the chair. Reminds me of the twenty eighteen Patriots. Yeah,
Speaker 3: lesser team that won the tip.
Speaker 1: They dance with the devil and survive this year. Give
Speaker 1: yourself a better chance.
Speaker 6: The Raiders with Greggy all right, this is this hit
Speaker 6: a quarterback, this is it. We're gonna just go into
Speaker 6: giving the Raiders like five primetime games again and with
Speaker 6: Gardner Minshew O'Connell.
Speaker 1: Because man, they've been quiet.
Speaker 6: It's been a quiet like they swapped in Alexander Madison
Speaker 6: for Jacobs. They got a lot of work. I look
Speaker 6: at this is one of the worst rosters to me
Speaker 6: still in the AFC. Defensive tackle, huge need. Running back
Speaker 6: is a huge need. Wide receiver to me, they're kind
Speaker 6: of in there. Quarterback is certainly a huge need. They
Speaker 6: need quarterbacks like and Antonio Pearce has got a tough
Speaker 6: job and it's even tougher if that's really it, or
Speaker 6: do they do they move up for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: With this office send it to Antonio pierced.
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's almost saying if you get seven wins
Speaker 6: out of this roster, that might be a good work.
Speaker 2: Do you see how we finished?
Speaker 1: It's one of those.
Speaker 5: It's a team that kind of feels like they're just
Speaker 5: floating out in the ether, and I'm not sure what
Speaker 5: the plan is.
Speaker 4: You're stuck with the thirteen pick.
Speaker 5: If you're looking for a quarterback, you've got to move
Speaker 5: up probably to get the guy you want, unless it's
Speaker 5: the fourth or fifth guy off the board. It'll be
Speaker 5: the fourth or fifth guy off the board. But it
Speaker 5: feels very raiders as to just have to sort of
Speaker 5: settle for that. It feels like years in a row
Speaker 5: we're settling a quarterback, and even Wilkin.
Speaker 3: You bring in Wilkins in like, yeah, they still need
Speaker 3: another defensive tackle.
Speaker 4: They are the eighth most cap room.
Speaker 6: To me, they need a lot and they've been very
Speaker 6: quiet surprisingly other than the Wilkins move.
Speaker 2: I don't think Tom Telesco can come in and just
Speaker 2: tear the whole thing down, although there was only so
Speaker 2: much to tear down.
Speaker 1: I like the Wilkins thing.
Speaker 2: I would. I don't know that he's worth the thirteenth pick.
Speaker 2: I am a big Michael Pennox fan. I know DJ
Speaker 2: in his most recent mock draft mocked Pennix there and
Speaker 2: that would be spice is chaos, that would be spicy.
Speaker 2: We know because they are together at ASU that Antonio
Speaker 2: Pierce loves him some g loves loves, loves, loves, loves,
Speaker 2: loves loves. But that is expensive to go up there.
Speaker 2: That's the one the watch. But that I mean you are.
Speaker 2: You are selling Vegas time shares for the next five
Speaker 2: years worth of draft picks to move up.
Speaker 1: Don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. Again, like we said earlier, don't force
Speaker 3: a QB pick.
Speaker 1: If it's not there. You want to be aggressive, go
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: But I know the Minchew story was a nice story
Speaker 3: playing in you know, a lukewarmed AFC South. If you
Speaker 3: send Minchew out there in the AFC West and you
Speaker 3: get the Chiefs twice, and I just feel like it needs.
Speaker 1: To be the backup or the bridge for I.
Speaker 6: Don't know if it gets out O'Connell. Even if this
Speaker 6: is it, I sort of can't believe this is it.
Speaker 6: They've had they should have done to me the Commander's
Speaker 6: type of offseason where it's like they role players. Just
Speaker 6: signed ten to twelve guys that can possibly play. Yeah,
Speaker 6: instead of spending all your money on just one guy, Wilkin.
Speaker 5: There's definitely another move to be made here. I just
Speaker 5: can't believe this is what they're going to try to
Speaker 5: sell to Raiders fans.
Speaker 6: And you know you got You're probably right. They probably
Speaker 6: get Pennix or.
Speaker 3: The piece Devanta Adams is there too. That's a major
Speaker 3: chess piece to play potentially.
Speaker 2: Cannot wait to see the Receiver show on Netflix with
Speaker 2: McDaniels and Adams.
Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos with Mark Edward Sessler.
Speaker 5: All right, Uh, Sean Payton, you know, came to Denver
Speaker 5: and right out of the gate, what are we doing there?
Speaker 3: You started talking before the I got to reset clocks
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you guys are quick on you say, I'm quick
Speaker 2: on the trigger.
Speaker 6: It's likening. It does seem Eric though we're taking your time.
Speaker 6: You tend to interrupt Mark more than others. Is that
Speaker 6: a respect thing? What it's going on?
Speaker 1: That seems to carry over?
Speaker 2: Producer by the way, all right here we go, Mark?
Speaker 5: All right, so hey fresh, that's that's that's I would
Speaker 5: say this like Sean Peyton, in a very Sean Payton
Speaker 5: esquay came to Denver and you know quickly slashes the
Speaker 5: pre v coach, old Daddy Hackett and old Teddy the
Speaker 5: team's troubles, so like it, We're in a fresh start
Speaker 5: now I'm here. Then the Russell Wilson, you know, it
Speaker 5: does what we expected him to do to some degree.
Speaker 5: And if you blame Russell Wilson to get him out
Speaker 5: of the building, I think it's interesting that this team
Speaker 5: has done literally nothing. They are cap strung there. It's
Speaker 5: a weird season. There's a depressing feel around it. But
Speaker 5: Sean Payton is running out of people to blame. And
Speaker 5: I always kind of wonder, like, how long is his
Speaker 5: patients for this project that they don't get someone at
Speaker 5: quarterback that he can work with. Maybe it's Bonnicks at
Speaker 5: this point, But do you believe still in Sean Payton
Speaker 5: as someone like you did with the Saints way back
Speaker 5: when he can fix all this mess? Or is it
Speaker 5: someone else gets blamed and then he's the fall guy?
Speaker 1: And I believe in Peyton still.
Speaker 3: I also kind of disagree that he's running out of
Speaker 3: people to point out because when he came in last year,
Speaker 3: he inherited Russell Wilson in an odious contract and it
Speaker 3: was almost like you had to get through last year
Speaker 3: just to kind of make your move through the Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson era, and unfortunately now you have to trade Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: It's really why Sean Payton taking the job in the
Speaker 3: first place was a big risk because of the Wilson situation,
Speaker 3: because now obviously your cap strap for multiple years. So
Speaker 3: now I think is the beginning to me of the
Speaker 3: Sean Payton era. However, andreew I also think he has
Speaker 3: one hand tied behind his back and it's going to
Speaker 3: be challenging to get this team up and running this
Speaker 3: year and maybe even through next year.
Speaker 1: So it's a huge challenge.
Speaker 3: If he is as good as he thinks he is,
Speaker 3: and as he's proven in his past, we're gonna have
Speaker 3: to see it starting this year.
Speaker 2: I think they're another team that obviously we've all said this,
Speaker 2: you have to keep an eye on to be aggressive
Speaker 2: on draft Knight, to try to move up and get
Speaker 2: the quarterback because if not, then you are looking at
Speaker 2: Jarrett Stidham and Boick.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know that that is the pick there either. I
Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: and they have a plan. You want to talk about
Speaker 2: a team, however, that has pressure on its shoulders, come
Speaker 2: draft Knight on April twenty fifth to do something.
Speaker 1: I think this is that team.
Speaker 5: It is interesting they had the twelfth pick and the
Speaker 5: Raiders had that thirteenth pick.
Speaker 6: That could change the division for a long time. No
Speaker 6: one's done less really this offseason. I went to check
Speaker 6: that improvement in dex I was just looking at it.
Speaker 6: I gotta say that Bronco's got to be pretty.
Speaker 1: They are twenty nine, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sider they got. They gave away Judy for a
Speaker 2: five and a six when they were asking for a
Speaker 2: two last year duty.
Speaker 6: They're starting QB and Russell Wilson, which you know they
Speaker 6: can replace. But Cushion Barry who played a lot for them,
Speaker 6: Josie Jewels played a lot for them. Well Justin Simmons
Speaker 6: who played a lot. So it wasn't a great roster
Speaker 6: to begin with. Who have they brought in? Like Brandon Jones,
Speaker 6: a safety from the Dolphins, who's.
Speaker 1: Okay, got well what's back?
Speaker 2: Oh wait?
Speaker 6: They brought they brought in some like forty sixth guy
Speaker 6: on the roster, players that used to play for Sean Payton,
Speaker 6: what a shock.
Speaker 4: We had no money.
Speaker 3: We close out the AFC with andrews Ceciliano on.
Speaker 2: The Chargers the third week of October. Gentlemen, last year,
Speaker 2: where were you? You're likely here, I'll answer, I think
Speaker 2: you might have been in London. Do you remember then,
Speaker 2: maybe from over there watching Sharon Moore in Michigan run
Speaker 2: twenty eight consecutive times against Penn State because they couldn't block.
Speaker 3: It was out after correct about how much he loves
Speaker 3: That's what I remember.
Speaker 2: That's what they're going to do here with your Chargers
Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. When their moves are will Disley, Hayden
Speaker 2: Hurst and Gus Edwards. That tells you everything. And then
Speaker 2: Mike Williams and Keenan Allen are both out the door.
Speaker 2: Everyone who thinks they're going wide receiver at five haha, No,
Speaker 2: they are playing big boy football. They might take Joe
Speaker 2: out then you you they could? You want to do
Speaker 2: a over under a Flacco starts? How about Herbert pass
Speaker 2: attempts per game like that? That's going to be like Twentyrew.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem with that. Thinking to me is that
Speaker 2: this isn't Alex Smith anymore.
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh's got Justin Herbert, who is a great young
Speaker 3: quarter Oh, you're gonna you're just gonna throw the ball
Speaker 3: into that Greg Roman.
Speaker 2: Look what they did at Stanford with Andrew Luck. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's fair they they played six tight ends. Right.
Speaker 5: Is there any world where like you are rebuilding the
Speaker 5: team to some degree and like you would ever move
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert?
Speaker 1: No, and get a different quarterback. Absolutely not.
Speaker 6: I've heard that fans thinking like, hey, there's this non
Speaker 6: zero chance we can get Herbert next to zero.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's actually zero. It is zero.
Speaker 6: Yes, So I've found because I'm like, what are they
Speaker 6: doing here? You know it's new GM, Joe Hortz, we
Speaker 6: don't know Harbor's back. It's been a long time. What
Speaker 6: are they doing? And it feels to me like they
Speaker 6: just decided to keep the defenses. You can only overhaul
Speaker 6: one side of the ball maybe per offseason, and they
Speaker 6: decide we're going to restart this offense. Because we're offensive coaches,
Speaker 6: we know how to coach up offense. We actually inherited
Speaker 6: quite a good offensive line on paper. We can add
Speaker 6: like one piece, but like compared the league average, this
Speaker 6: is a good offense line, a good quarterback, we trust
Speaker 6: that we can remake the offense and let's just kick
Speaker 6: the can down the court, you know, a year on defense.
Speaker 1: By keeping Mac and keep both.
Speaker 6: I actually think that's the smart way to do it,
Speaker 6: because they can coach up the offense maybe more.
Speaker 5: My one thing is like issues with Herbert with the
Speaker 5: last two offensive coordinators, like not quite using him the
Speaker 5: way that you'd want him to be used in certain situations,
Speaker 5: especially a couple of years ago, and so now you're
Speaker 5: going to put him into an offense that looks like
Speaker 5: a nineteen forty three creator.
Speaker 6: Get to see though they're very creative, They're very people
Speaker 6: are copying what they do in terms of their run game.
Speaker 1: Like there, they are a creative offense. I think even if.
Speaker 3: It's run for this, I thought getting rid of both
Speaker 3: they're yeah out wide receivers and Gerald Evertt was a choice.
Speaker 2: As they say, I see, I thought they might wipe
Speaker 2: both those guys and gotten rid of both end Matt.
Speaker 3: That's what I expected, and they did the opposite.
Speaker 4: They've got nothing. They've got Josh Palmer and nothing like Allen.
Speaker 3: If you want and keep Mike Williams or cut Mike
Speaker 3: Williams and keep keenan al. But now they've really put
Speaker 3: themselves in a pickle in terms.
Speaker 1: Of your lightning bolt.
Speaker 3: We did it and we went into the locker room
Speaker 3: with the te o, which also you don't want to do,
Speaker 3: but we did and that's okay too.
Speaker 6: Well, we had to get you know, Andrew to Beverly Hills,
Speaker 6: have a Beverly Hilton or something.
Speaker 1: What is going on the.
Speaker 2: You want to pull back the curtain on on the
Speaker 2: eligible Bachelor. I am of the South bed. I no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be doing it. Was just announced today
Speaker 2: actually back for a third Olympics with NBC, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be doing like a gold zone like red zone.
Speaker 2: But the Olympics did it for Sochi and did it
Speaker 2: for Rio and now we're bringing it back on the Peacock.
Speaker 2: What does that have to do with a ritzy hommer games.
Speaker 2: I'm getting there. It's not a hotel. Have to do
Speaker 2: a fitting for their wardrobe? Oh wow? So yes, yeah there.
Speaker 1: The reaction was a little more excited than I was
Speaker 1: fitting for the war.
Speaker 6: I mean that he's getting fitting. This is uh there, Well,
Speaker 6: Andrew stays in good shape. They're like, he's actually bigger
Speaker 6: than last Olympics.
Speaker 1: I'm actually smaller than last I met, like muscly or something.
Speaker 5: You did get the suit from NFL network with your
Speaker 5: name etched inside?
Speaker 1: Did did they spell your name right? They took? But
Speaker 1: you know what I did? I did?
Speaker 3: I said to back, really said, bring it back to
Speaker 3: me properly spelled they did?
Speaker 4: How did they spell it? What was they spelled Dan wrong?
Speaker 1: The n was after the z or something. It was
Speaker 1: an outrageous typo.
Speaker 2: I checked into the hotel and mobile at the Senior
Speaker 2: Bowl and you know the Mary It says on the screen,
Speaker 2: Hello Comma Greg right M seeing that? Yeah, it just
Speaker 2: said hello Siciliana. I'm like, we're talking to each other.
Speaker 3: And I will never complain about free stuff. It was
Speaker 3: a very nice gesture from the NFL. They that media summit,
Speaker 3: they fitted us for suits and everybody got a new suit,
Speaker 3: got to pick out the material.
Speaker 1: Really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't doubt that you appreciate shit.
Speaker 1: I tried on.
Speaker 3: I tried on the suit and it was like David
Speaker 3: Byrne in the Talking Heads documentary. I was like, I can't,
Speaker 3: this is not it's not a flattering look on the Zazza.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do this. So that ended up
Speaker 3: with a lot of issues with the suit as a turney,
Speaker 3: I liked.
Speaker 1: You've been through a lot, Dan, and we odd you know,
Speaker 1: we know that.
Speaker 6: Now we're no longer you know. Unfortunately NFL now is
Speaker 6: no longer a program. That was the only time I
Speaker 6: ever wore a suit in my life. So it doesn't
Speaker 6: come up too often.
Speaker 3: True, and I'm past the wedding phase, wed, so the
Speaker 3: idea of wearing a suit is becoming.
Speaker 2: You don't play bar mitzvos or anything like that.
Speaker 6: No, but Andrew trying to get me a job with
Speaker 6: NBC on their Olympics tennis coverage.
Speaker 1: I attempted to do that. He's not throwing up.
Speaker 6: Oh, I tried twelve years ago because my old boss,
Speaker 6: you know, runs things there and stuff I struck up.
Speaker 1: It seems like you have it in well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hit it off the mic, big strikeout you
Speaker 3: and John mac This was like twelve years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, you have said it all.
Speaker 2: He could have been the next Patrick McEnroe. Stop stop,
Speaker 2: Thank you buddy, Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 3: Great spin around the AFC tomorrow, the NFC with the
Speaker 3: great Clay Bond how are we doing. By the way,
Speaker 3: Eric on the Clay Bond theme songs.
Speaker 1: I have a couple.
Speaker 3: I have a couple that we will debut tomorrow. Something
Speaker 3: that's something look forward ATM podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: And Siliano theme songs.
Speaker 3: Anybody, Oh yeah, anybody send him in, Send him in
Speaker 3: the ATM podcast. I especially the call is out for
Speaker 3: more Colleen theme songs.
Speaker 1: Be creative, keep it shut yourself, keep it on.
Speaker 3: A short joke for me and Colleen. That's a big one.
Speaker 3: Keep it short. This these three minute long songs that
Speaker 3: get sent in ours. What did we decide was the
Speaker 3: limit we want? Like twenty seconds, like a little sting,
Speaker 3: you know, thirty thirty thirty max. Yeah, this is we're
Speaker 3: not looking for November rain here. Yeah, thirty seconds max.
Speaker 3: Twenty seconds often nice, you know, put maybe a little
Speaker 3: fade underneath them when we you know, a little Belgian whistles.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nothing longer than don't test our patients exactly,
Speaker 3: but please give us your music. We would love it,
Speaker 3: all right, Andrew, good luck with the Olympics. Love you guys,
Speaker 3: Love you too till Thursday. You know what you gotta do, Greg,
Speaker 3: do you know what we gotta do.
Speaker 1: I've always known what you gotta do. Chris Westling told
Speaker 1: us what to do. I've got it on my arm.
Speaker 1: There it is, heath the call