Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Welcome back all the smoke. We're coming to you from Dallas.
Speaker 3: Back home in his long star state.
Speaker 2: We got a good one. This wouldn't have been a
Speaker 2: long time coming. We've been trying to connect the dots
Speaker 2: with this dude for a long time. Man, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite actors and just one of the genuine, real
Speaker 2: good people in this space, and there's not too many
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Mari Hardwick, thank you, thank you, thank you, sat having people.
Speaker 2: How's life recently nominated for a Grammy name Ghost.
Speaker 5: Ghost that's crazy, bro, I'm uh.
Speaker 2: For your roll in star trek Man and many hats.
Speaker 4: I'm trying, Bro, I'm and and by the way, Stack's
Speaker 4: if you remember this. But when I started and the
Speaker 4: music thing, it was spoken word poetry. I had a
Speaker 4: show called Versus and Flow and I would get up
Speaker 4: neo soul artists. The likes young poets, which is the
Speaker 4: best part of it to me, is like giving the
Speaker 4: stage to young people to figure out their voice and
Speaker 4: bro in the audience, write in the epicenter, right in
Speaker 4: the middle, death smack in the middle. One night, man,
Speaker 4: I get up and there is the Laker at the time,
Speaker 4: the Laker great Matt Bonds, and I remember thinking to myself,
Speaker 4: we might be all right in the next twenty years.
Speaker 4: And by we, what I meant was people who looked
Speaker 4: like me transitioning not out of sport, right, but really
Speaker 4: speaking of voice, being able to figure out a voice
Speaker 4: beyond sport. And I remember looking at Madden thinking, this
Speaker 4: is nice. It was a nice time, and Cali, things
Speaker 4: were different.
Speaker 2: You was with the Spurs, early time with the Spurs
Speaker 2: and early two thousands.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And so Matt been supporting for so long and by
Speaker 4: the way, God God Stephen as too stag Man been
Speaker 4: rocking with me for the longest I've been rocking with him.
Speaker 4: One of the realist cats in the league. The league
Speaker 4: is a bit different now, Yes, the world different.
Speaker 5: The world is the.
Speaker 2: World is different now.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's been nice, man. It was amazing to
Speaker 4: get a nomination for the side of the entertainment industry.
Speaker 4: To your point, Matt, that I don't put food on
Speaker 4: the table, or I haven't thus far. So that was
Speaker 4: super humbling, man, because just reminded me that it's a
Speaker 4: nice Uh.
Speaker 1: How motherfucking talented you are. How about that part anytime
Speaker 1: you're getting your flowers. It's a beautiful thing, bro, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the declaration to again the young cats who
Speaker 4: look like us, the young ladies who look like us.
Speaker 5: Yo, empty the bag.
Speaker 4: Empty it before you go up to the pearly gates,
Speaker 4: and God go, what did you do with it?
Speaker 5: I gave you a lot of shit in there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You don't want God to scourry through the bag and
Speaker 4: go it's seventh motherfucking things still in there. So for me,
Speaker 4: that was always in objective like get it all out,
Speaker 4: but while doing so good permission other people to get
Speaker 4: it all out.
Speaker 5: You want to see it, yeah.
Speaker 3: Across my mom. You want to see his pat I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm just cool, my nigga. I can't help that,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: That's what God gave me.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, that's one of them. That's one of them.
Speaker 3: Definitely let that out.
Speaker 2: The bag too fresh to be stall man got to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 5: So it's a long time coming to the brother's point.
Speaker 4: And uh, we were supposed to be on you know,
Speaker 4: on this way back in middle of the summer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did something together for uninterrupted last summer right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did. It was really cool that I did it, Maddy.
Speaker 5: We did some ship.
Speaker 3: We did some ship.
Speaker 4: We did a softball game at UCLA. We just played no, no, no,
Speaker 4: but we did some ship stacked so.
Speaker 3: Many years back.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, him being out because you know here, you
Speaker 4: know here food in baseball. Yeah, crazy, I just said
Speaker 4: he was six ninety went six eight. Why you take
Speaker 4: away the atch?
Speaker 2: I don't want to steal. I don't like to lie.
Speaker 5: Oh, but with the right shoot not them shoes. But
Speaker 5: if we give you what's who got some kicks in there?
Speaker 1: We don't wear them no more. That makes it two
Speaker 1: inches taller. You used to wear them. So people used
Speaker 1: to wear them high high heels, high tops, not even
Speaker 1: the three quarters.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the high souls.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The David Robinson so wings wings.
Speaker 2: Long Stack wants to be an actor one day. Yeah, Stack,
Speaker 2: you're a talent scout.
Speaker 1: What what what would you think? He didn't make fun
Speaker 1: of me like Kevin Hart. Appreciate that. That's my boy.
Speaker 3: I love you, bro, I think that. Yeah, my dream
Speaker 3: got him up, don't really got my ship down. Really
Speaker 3: really cool short basket.
Speaker 5: H so for me for me, mad And I know
Speaker 5: you know art really well.
Speaker 4: And it's too controversial for me to say to one
Speaker 4: cat who in music when I think about music? Since
Speaker 4: you let in with that point, he's in jail.
Speaker 5: Now we all know.
Speaker 3: Who he is, the R and B. King.
Speaker 4: I always would have been a phenomenal actor, and I
Speaker 4: always thought that Kanye would be a great actor. And
Speaker 4: what I realized is that what I honor perhaps most.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess Robert tried it, Kanye. What I
Speaker 4: honor most is that he and he made a comment
Speaker 4: was he was like, I want to get my chops
Speaker 4: right if I were to do that. One of the
Speaker 4: things that was most fascinating about your brother, our brother
Speaker 4: being in the league and he's doing it right now, Matt, Matt,
Speaker 4: you need to take this shit in.
Speaker 2: I already seen it. I think he's good enough to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 5: So this is my point.
Speaker 4: One of the things that was so dope about Stephen
Speaker 4: Jackson is that Stack was always and is always who
Speaker 4: he is and the most confusing thing. And you try
Speaker 4: to not as an actor give too much away because
Speaker 4: your tricks are your tricks and it puts food on
Speaker 4: your table. But one of them was confusing things about
Speaker 4: that professionist a that it is monikered titled or labeled
Speaker 4: acting when it should be not that because acting is
Speaker 4: not good.
Speaker 5: Anybody who acts is.
Speaker 4: So the authenticity and sincerity that comes with a Stack
Speaker 4: that when you came to the League, David Stern was
Speaker 4: at what point of being commissioner.
Speaker 2: He was in full almost almost on his way out.
Speaker 1: So I'm right also to the point where he was
Speaker 1: trying to change the league dress code and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay that I throw a nice love to you, And
Speaker 4: the reality is that an Alan Everson and a Stack
Speaker 4: Jamaret doesn't count as much where I'm going at because
Speaker 4: Ja Morant is a victim but also a victim I'm
Speaker 4: gona specify a victim of a generation that has to
Speaker 4: contend with a cell phone and social media in ways
Speaker 4: that we didn't have to. So in that way, Joah
Speaker 4: kind of is still trying to figure out where this
Speaker 4: job at.
Speaker 5: Who am I? What is my thing? But y'am being
Speaker 5: dufeleously gifted? What is my thing? But and Alan Iverson
Speaker 5: really was a tupac on.
Speaker 4: My roof for our NBA and Stack was very befitting
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 5: And when I think about you carry that to me,
Speaker 5: you would.
Speaker 4: Rather work at the local, whatever the local is, rather
Speaker 4: than sell your soul. To me, my answer is he
Speaker 4: would be a horrified actor. Not only because he has
Speaker 4: that innate desire to be like fuck that, I'm Stack.
Speaker 4: He also wears stack really well. And we just saw
Speaker 4: a scene play out with his wife before we rolle
Speaker 4: cameras and it was his actual wife.
Speaker 5: My nigga might as well and make ghost Tatasha.
Speaker 4: So I really feel and I've never said this to
Speaker 4: you before, but you have not only the intensity but
Speaker 4: the joy with the pain. You need joy and pain,
Speaker 4: and you need an ability to forgive the shit. By
Speaker 4: the time they say roll camera action go, you would
Speaker 4: have had to forgive all of the childhood shit and
Speaker 4: just put all the stuff into whatever that is, whether
Speaker 4: it's comedy, whether it's drawn, where it's horror, and just
Speaker 4: kind of sit in it and less.
Speaker 5: It's always more.
Speaker 4: And Matt, you ain't far off of being the same
Speaker 4: thing you do two of the coolest duo.
Speaker 5: And I ain't just saying that.
Speaker 4: I know you'all gonna get teased by the rest of
Speaker 4: the podcast cats because they're gonna fuck with you and go,
Speaker 4: oh claim these cats.
Speaker 3: Cool, But yeah, I already knew that. Y'all.
Speaker 4: You're super laid back and you operate at a real
Speaker 4: at a real for me, what actors provide the actors
Speaker 4: who really who really have it? They operate in a
Speaker 4: in a beautiful We can be insecure all day, but
Speaker 4: they operate, or we operate. I think I'm pretty gifted.
Speaker 4: We operate at a place where we are super secure
Speaker 4: and emotionally kind of together when the camera starts rolling. Afterwards,
Speaker 4: when they say cut, you might be a nutbag, but
Speaker 4: when the camera's rolling, you have some kind.
Speaker 5: Of ability to go to a place a gift. There's
Speaker 5: something there.
Speaker 2: There's some negative energy. You're out out right now. And
Speaker 2: we're definitely not about that. We're more just fans of
Speaker 2: of what was going on and and and and the
Speaker 2: character you played. Will we ever see there's obviously a
Speaker 2: ton of spin offs going on in that universe. Will
Speaker 2: we ever see you as ghost in any shape or form?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you will, Maddie and we talked about, Uh.
Speaker 3: I got the chills, right, that's my favorite character.
Speaker 1: I think I'm ghosting with a life. I just don't
Speaker 1: have the suits and the money and shit like I
Speaker 1: act like you I act like or the good hair
Speaker 1: not the hair either. My shit ain't that bad, but
Speaker 1: it ain't that ain't.
Speaker 4: So Matt asked a really good question, I think, and
Speaker 4: I could compliment Courtney and Curtis and saying this, we definitely, Matt,
Speaker 4: we as a culture, as a black culture and brown culture,
Speaker 4: Latinos included, we did not have outside of of a
Speaker 4: Sicilian character, whether it be Marlon Brando playing a Sicilian character,
Speaker 4: whether it be.
Speaker 5: Al Pacino who is actually Sicilian.
Speaker 4: Right and Robert de Niro being part Irish, part Italian
Speaker 4: my favorite all time actor outside of Steve McQueen. But
Speaker 4: looking at uh and I would say probably Denzel. But
Speaker 4: looking at the reality of what those movies and the
Speaker 4: character of those big, big mob movies and gangster movies,
Speaker 4: what they provided was it provided more of a peak.
Speaker 4: It was very Shakespearean, all of them were. But it
Speaker 4: provided a peak into uncles that we knew, grandfathers that
Speaker 4: we knew, aunties that we grandmothers, you know. And I
Speaker 4: don't think we had outside of family shows that were
Speaker 4: family oriented in a very warm and fuzzy, wrap it
Speaker 4: up with a nice bow at the end of it
Speaker 4: type of I guess display Cosby show included, we didn't
Speaker 4: really have a display that came into our living rooms.
Speaker 4: And to your points that your character and the show,
Speaker 4: OH had me and wifey and major conversations constantly. So
Speaker 4: I believe that every role I played matter is that
Speaker 4: of community outreach servitude.
Speaker 5: I just use the characters as my way of doing
Speaker 5: community outreach.
Speaker 4: But that character was such an incredible community outreach because
Speaker 4: if I'm talking to the President in the White House
Speaker 4: and I've talked to two during that time, one was
Speaker 4: colored Us, and then if I'm talking to every Pooky
Speaker 4: and every respective hood that we grew up in, whether Cali,
Speaker 4: Wather Texas, whether Georgia. The reality is that character was
Speaker 4: built to be able to play on so many sides
Speaker 4: of the street. And I don't know how I can
Speaker 4: say goodbye to him in this career that hopefully extends
Speaker 4: twenty more years before I have the liberty to say
Speaker 4: I want to be out in terms of an actor.
Speaker 4: So if I'm fifty years old, still playing the better
Speaker 4: parts of mid thirties, and I go to seventy years
Speaker 4: of age, I believe we have to see and I'm
Speaker 4: providing myself with the permission, and that's big for me
Speaker 4: to say. Matt, I'm providing and I'll say that to
Speaker 4: you Stack, I'm providing myself with the permission to if
Speaker 4: it not be shown and or seen on anything related
Speaker 4: to stars and oring that world where Curtis according through
Speaker 4: this incredible live for me and the rest of the team,
Speaker 4: you definitely will see the character in some form, fashion
Speaker 4: or format and you will be able to go that's
Speaker 4: the shit I miss.
Speaker 5: Do I miss only Ghosts?
Speaker 4: Now I realize I missed o Mari playing a character
Speaker 4: like Ghost because I'm getting it again and I'm getting
Speaker 4: Omri while getting a character.
Speaker 5: So I have to provide that. It's funny you say, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I hear you.
Speaker 3: I want to be the hit man.
Speaker 2: It's interesting the end of what you said, because you've
Speaker 2: been outspoken about Ghost and Amar are two different people.
Speaker 2: Why are you so outspoken and trying to drive that
Speaker 2: message home?
Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you what I never said that
Speaker 4: they were too stark different. You know that there was
Speaker 4: such a contrast.
Speaker 2: There definitely have to be some of you to get
Speaker 2: that great in Ghosts.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so.
Speaker 5: This is my whole thing. My whole thing is.
Speaker 4: We have to look at it from a perspective of
Speaker 4: where our priorities lie as a people. In many regards,
Speaker 4: oftentimes white Americans follow us. I have heard it be
Speaker 4: stated as such when Donald Trump won the first time.
Speaker 4: Excuse me if there were arguments being made by a
Speaker 4: certain faction of black folks who might not have won it,
Speaker 4: forget political affiliation, who might not have won it Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: and maybe mainly because of his followers, the MAGA contingency,
Speaker 4: not wanting America to become that whatever that was. I've
Speaker 4: heard it be stated as such, where folks will say,
Speaker 4: we didn't go back to what is back to?
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't come from Africa ancestrally, I did, but Stature
Speaker 4: not from I.
Speaker 3: Don't know nothing about it.
Speaker 4: So when when people make that comment, y'all chuckle. But
Speaker 4: it's probably one of the truths that I love Stack
Speaker 4: the most. And uh, I grew up with that thing.
Speaker 4: It's so interesting because I grew up with Fred Taylor.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean literally, guys, I grew up with
Speaker 4: that thing. I grew up with I grew up with
Speaker 4: Matt Barnes, and I grew up with Stack.
Speaker 5: There's a common thread there. I grew up with.
Speaker 4: Really tough fuckers who are super vulnerable and loving and stack.
Speaker 4: There's never been a moment that you haven't greeted me
Speaker 4: with a hug. It's very interesting. There's never been a moment, Matt,
Speaker 4: that you haven't greeted me with a hug. The necessary,
Speaker 4: the necessary permission of all permission given is for our
Speaker 4: young black and brown men to be granted that. I
Speaker 4: don't understand the season, even if it were more than
Speaker 4: a year or two, the seasonal moment of no Homo.
Speaker 5: I fuck with you, I'd never understand. I didn't understand that.
Speaker 4: I tried to play every single character in a way Matt,
Speaker 4: where you felt o Mari in the character I'm saying,
Speaker 4: priorities are such, where our people right. If you were
Speaker 4: to hear someone say go back to what America's mind
Speaker 4: and if you got Native American blood, which all three
Speaker 4: of us do, I don't even care about the young
Speaker 4: brothers who grew up going, nah my hair, ain't that shit.
Speaker 4: I ain't got naive American. Probably the ones who didn't
Speaker 4: think they had Native American had more Native American than
Speaker 4: anybody in the room or in the huddle when were
Speaker 4: growing up so in that regard, this is our home,
Speaker 4: and in my opinion as it is our home, what
Speaker 4: has been under displayed or under exposed for me, Matt
Speaker 4: is the redemption of black and brown boy. What Ghosts
Speaker 4: provided was he provided a look as to how it
Speaker 4: looks to break good. They're being bad.
Speaker 5: What people rooted for at home was he's trying to
Speaker 5: go right.
Speaker 4: I made the dude of biblical character, and I've said
Speaker 4: it to maybe ten individuals, but now say it on
Speaker 4: this podcast, because Stack I love you, or Matt, I
Speaker 4: may go.
Speaker 5: Saul from the Bible.
Speaker 4: Saul is very symbolic in any kind of template of
Speaker 4: religious belief. It could be the Koran, it could be
Speaker 4: the Torod, a book of lotterday Saints for Mormons. It
Speaker 4: could be the Book of Hinduism, the Book of Buddhism.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what it is. Phil Jackson was in Buddhist, right,
Speaker 4: he'd say the same thing. There is that character in
Speaker 4: whatever I happen to believe.
Speaker 5: In in Christ. That dude was Saul.
Speaker 4: I always thought the show needed to end if he
Speaker 4: ever became Paul, because then we have no more entertainment
Speaker 4: of watching him try to become good.
Speaker 5: So Matt.
Speaker 4: When I say there's a contrasting difference, and I probably
Speaker 4: haven't used that specific word, but when I speak on that,
Speaker 4: my brother, what I'm really saying is I am so
Speaker 4: much of Ghost, but there is so much more to
Speaker 4: me than ghost because I wasn't written by Courtney. Courtney
Speaker 4: never wrote Omri. Courtney wrote Ghost. So for a world
Speaker 4: I would imagine at this point, twenty five and under.
Speaker 4: For that fan base, it is harder to conceptualize that
Speaker 4: because they get to not.
Speaker 5: Every twenty five year old.
Speaker 4: Some of y'all are phenomenally mature, but twenty five and
Speaker 4: under for the most part.
Speaker 5: As you know, Matt, and you got kids growing and stack.
Speaker 4: You notice too, there is an ability to change your
Speaker 4: look on every single post you post. So it's an
Speaker 4: equal ability to believe you are something that you're not.
Speaker 4: So my big thing, Mat is receive omar and then
Speaker 4: dissect it from there once you meet me in person.
Speaker 4: If you got five minutes, I get it, Matt. Where
Speaker 4: you go five minutes is hard? Oh you have badgers,
Speaker 4: claim that's hard.
Speaker 5: I get it. But even in five minutes, nigga, I'm
Speaker 5: so much get me in five minutes. So in five minutes.
Speaker 4: You then decipher as you walk off, you go, how
Speaker 4: much is like have fun with it, have fun with it,
Speaker 4: just sit and think about it. But the other thing, now,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you all, y'all roses. There's a reason
Speaker 4: that all of these podcasts are so prevalent and so
Speaker 4: prominent and so watched and so good. Siri included twenty
Speaker 4: five and under has an amazing opportunity. I'm not picking
Speaker 4: on that age group, but that age group specifically has
Speaker 4: an amazing opportunity to do all research within a nanosecond,
Speaker 4: right within a nanosecond. What team that Matt Barnes play for?
Speaker 4: What teams has he played for? Didn't Matt ever play
Speaker 4: a different position than the in minutes Steven Jackson?
Speaker 5: Was he actually close to George Floyd?
Speaker 3: Was he not?
Speaker 5: Was he the uncle of George's daughter? When he How
Speaker 5: quickly can it all come to you?
Speaker 4: So for me, these are moments, Matt, after an interview
Speaker 4: like this, where you ask such a great question and
Speaker 4: it's a dynamic question, so I have to answer it
Speaker 4: in this kind of way.
Speaker 5: It's a very good question.
Speaker 4: It's not out spoken about the contrasting difference. It's an
Speaker 4: outspoken reality of going, y'all do better with just hanging
Speaker 4: out with the person first and then figure out the
Speaker 4: character next. But there are a lot of people in
Speaker 4: our world, and this has no chronological age to it,
Speaker 4: who are really about the character who they've presented verse
Speaker 4: who they go to sleep and imposta syndrome is a
Speaker 4: motherfriger Yeah, it's a motherfucker. And so that's the big thing,
Speaker 4: I guess, Matt, I am dealing with the world in
Speaker 4: which if I do have some of the gifts that
Speaker 4: our parents and grandparents felt some of the elder actors.
Speaker 5: Had of actual chops and really having some chops.
Speaker 4: Those incredible actors from Sicily Tyson to yaffiic Coda, the
Speaker 4: Sydney Poitier to Lena Horn to Denzel to Angela Bassett
Speaker 4: to Lawrence Fishburne there to Don Cheeto, Will Smith inclusive,
Speaker 4: there wasn't a reality in that age group.
Speaker 5: The age group I just specified it.
Speaker 4: Colored us throwing Latina actresses and actors included. There wasn't
Speaker 4: a reality that they had to contend with a confused
Speaker 4: audience member going, who are you actually? You kind of
Speaker 4: knew you kind of knew that their character was relegated
Speaker 4: to the screen, and when you met them out in public,
Speaker 4: if you so lucky or blessed to get an autograph,
Speaker 4: if that is that could sound pretentious. Maybe the public
Speaker 4: figure wants your autograph. I'm a fan of fans, so
Speaker 4: it's always gonna be weird for me. Bro I'm a
Speaker 4: fan of fans. I'm not a fan of fanatics, because
Speaker 4: I wonder fanatics love themselves and so I pray for that.
Speaker 4: But a fan, a real fan who follows your life
Speaker 4: and fucks with your family.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm a fan of that. That's a different human
Speaker 5: to go everything you do. I rock with That's a
Speaker 5: beautiful thing.
Speaker 4: So I've never had issues with those people being of confusion, Matt.
Speaker 5: It is the folks that are about a character verse.
Speaker 4: Let me figure out who O is? The roads given
Speaker 4: to you and a Steven as y'all do interviews. Why
Speaker 4: not pull up on all the smoke. You can actually
Speaker 4: sit down with me right now and let me let
Speaker 4: me watch Power tonight. Wow, because I just watched all
Speaker 4: the smoke, let me compare the differences. Oh, wasn't wearing
Speaker 4: a suit, he didn't have a gun, he didn't murder somebody.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the nigga ever did murder somebody. He
Speaker 4: wasn't selling crack rock. He was selling stories, but not
Speaker 4: crack like. I just want people to do math a
Speaker 4: little bit better, particularly our people.
Speaker 5: Bro. Our leverage increases, Our leverage increases.
Speaker 4: If me or a Drease are up for James Bond
Speaker 4: and our fans are petitioning for it, if they get
Speaker 4: more educated about the differentiation between the character and the person,
Speaker 4: they could literally be going. I want Tomori to play it.
Speaker 4: I want a dreas. Omar is happy if either one
Speaker 4: of us get it. I love him and he'd be
Speaker 4: happy if I got it. So I think for me,
Speaker 4: mad As that I don't want you and Sweet say again.
Speaker 3: My broll black James Bond, you would kill that.
Speaker 5: You would kill that, bro, You would kill that shit.
Speaker 5: You know I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's just I just want our fans to allow their
Speaker 4: voices to be You got ahead on you, bro, you shocked.
Speaker 4: They told me about you for you walked in, but
Speaker 4: you sharp the shit you here, you sharp. I want
Speaker 4: our fans to be a part of that. Matt, I do, Bro,
Speaker 4: I do. I want our fans to be pro hip
Speaker 4: hop is a three billion dollar company. It's a three
Speaker 4: billion dollar company, not a company on Mario. Yes, it
Speaker 4: is a company. It's an overriding, all encompassing company.
Speaker 3: Last I check.
Speaker 4: You can count on one hand the people who look
Speaker 4: like me, you and Steven who have some of those billions.
Speaker 4: And it's not a three billion dollar company, not if
Speaker 4: jay Z almost has three billions to himself. It's a
Speaker 4: seventeen billion dollar conglomerate of reality.
Speaker 5: I want our fans to be more fan of themselves.
Speaker 5: I'm big on that. I want people to really like
Speaker 5: themselves more.
Speaker 4: I just think it makes it all a bit more balanced.
Speaker 4: You ain't got to run past your wife's dack and
Speaker 4: bulldoze her to get to you, because you would the
Speaker 4: one that someone salivated and wanted to meet. That's dope,
Speaker 4: that's flattering and shit. You ain't got to run over
Speaker 4: Matt's kids to get to Matt. If that day your
Speaker 4: wife says some shit that actually saved your life. If
Speaker 4: that day Matt's twins looked at him in a way
Speaker 4: that may and Matt go, you motherfuckers really got it.
Speaker 4: I'm the lucky one to be the father of y'all.
Speaker 4: A fan runs past that to get to us. I
Speaker 4: think once fans get a lot more in love with themselves.
Speaker 5: I think they can sit and go. There's a lot
Speaker 5: on Murray in that character.
Speaker 4: But I equally see Omar so that when they meet
Speaker 4: O mariy out they get to go I rock with you.
Speaker 5: Fans are like, I miss you. I'm like, I'm so here.
Speaker 4: I'm right here, Stack, I'm so here, Bro.
Speaker 5: I'm in Texas, man, right now, I'm in the state,
Speaker 5: in an undisclosed.
Speaker 4: Spot, the state that raised not only Stack, but equally
Speaker 4: a differend of mine who grew up in Tarot, Texas,
Speaker 4: and that being Eric Ak Jamie Fox. Like, I'm here, man, traded.
Speaker 4: Truth is in Houston, j Prinn. I know a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm a Texas lover because I'm from the A.
Speaker 3: Yeah home, I.
Speaker 5: Am at home, bro, So like I'm always here.
Speaker 4: People can always pull up and go let me just
Speaker 4: how let you for a minute, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Characters or other characters you drew when you were coming
Speaker 2: up with who ghost was going to be on the screen.
Speaker 5: Matt you you're doing some ship today, bro, You motherfucker.
Speaker 5: He's talented. You're looking at me like it's not doing
Speaker 5: bad yet. No, No, he just burnt that just he
Speaker 5: just burned out.
Speaker 3: That's just burnt out face, just burnout. You're not burn out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but don't believe that, not far.
Speaker 4: I guess I was real big on on the era.
Speaker 4: You spoke about you guys having fun with the Peaky
Speaker 4: Blinders night in the pubs Dack, that's prohibition right, kills
Speaker 4: killed it.
Speaker 5: He killed the movie that he and Robert Downe at Jr.
Speaker 3: One day.
Speaker 5: What an actor, great actor. I would love to work
Speaker 5: with him one day.
Speaker 4: And who wouldn't want to work with you know, the
Speaker 4: incredible director of course that Chris Nolan is.
Speaker 5: But in terms of Peaky Blinders.
Speaker 4: Just to use that example to answer your question, Matt,
Speaker 4: I went backwards and thinking about the gangs I went
Speaker 4: to yesteryear, and what I did, Bro, was I tried
Speaker 4: to grab from thine self. So so Matt, you threw
Speaker 4: me THELB, my bro, you threw me the LIB and
Speaker 4: going yeah, oh right, A righteous actor pulls from themselves
Speaker 4: for sure, and to thine own self be true. And nigga,
Speaker 4: we all flawed, the three of us might not in quantity.
Speaker 4: And I tend to believe that executors don't perhaps carry
Speaker 4: the quantity of flaws the number of flaws that the
Speaker 4: cats we grew up with carry. But I would go
Speaker 4: so far as to say, our flaws are almost bigger
Speaker 4: than there. Our four are bigger than their fourteen. It
Speaker 4: just is you're not You don't make it to the
Speaker 4: NBA unless you're called to it.
Speaker 5: It's not a it's very political. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4: It's not and uh and Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson
Speaker 4: culture world can't say that, so I'm saying it for them.
Speaker 5: They were highly called. It's a very it's called. They
Speaker 5: were chosen.
Speaker 4: So if I was part of a world in which
Speaker 4: I was chosen, particularly as a Black American doing entertainment,
Speaker 4: which sports is often forgotten about as entertainment, it is entertainment.
Speaker 5: And y'all are artists. You don't hear that enough, particularly
Speaker 5: me being an next athlete.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sell y'all down the down the road of
Speaker 4: celebrating the artists that you are all day long. And I
Speaker 4: and I realized that if I needed to pull for
Speaker 4: myself Matt, then I went, so what is Omari?
Speaker 5: What what can Omar bring this guy?
Speaker 4: Okay, Mary speak Spanish enough, right, Omar's been confused for
Speaker 4: Dominican his whole life, Matt, You've been confused for being
Speaker 4: Latino your whole life.
Speaker 5: So we what what? So?
Speaker 4: How does that look? Yes, this nigga's been confused with
Speaker 4: being Cuban. Of course he hasn't look Matty, I saw
Speaker 4: you look at him.
Speaker 3: Matt, think I got kids of Dominican. Report.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the other thing. Here's the ship.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's the other thing.
Speaker 4: Last I checked when I watched Sammy Social Swinger bat
Speaker 4: the first Sami, so I was raised watching motherfucker looked
Speaker 4: like Steve they Ne motherfucker ended up looking like Matt Vaughn.
Speaker 4: I look like Jim, shout out Sam. But in the
Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of of pulling out of myself,
Speaker 4: Matt from me, I was like, I'm an athlete. I'm
Speaker 4: a poet. That's a big thing, bro. I'm a poet,
Speaker 4: so my sensibilities are different.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: A poet is not pent to pad.
Speaker 4: A poet is staring out a window and stack oh
Speaker 4: and Matt saying to the.
Speaker 5: Young poet, yo, what you're doing. And they're truly not daydreaming.
Speaker 4: They're devising whatever, playing the divisor to try to save
Speaker 4: the world. So my outlook on life was perhaps more
Speaker 4: of a poetic outlook. So I went as far back
Speaker 4: bro as Langston Hughes and then meets Nicky Barnes. I
Speaker 4: went Malcolm X, and then I thought Malcolm X, right,
Speaker 4: so now let me go Miles Davis. I was marrying
Speaker 4: Malcolm X to Miles Davis. I'm already raspy voiced like
Speaker 4: Miles Davis. Then I was thinking, Nah, he shouldn't be
Speaker 4: dressed like Tommy. I loved the way Joseph was dressed,
Speaker 4: but to me, Ghot should be dressed like Nicki Barnes
Speaker 4: and them with dreams. Why not wear suits? So I
Speaker 4: loved that Courtney was down with that. It's just like suits.
Speaker 4: It is crazy budget cutting into our budget because the
Speaker 4: suits were a lot more expensive than anybody else's wardrobe
Speaker 4: outside of the Touri's dresses.
Speaker 5: But the reality is for me mad. It was really diving.
Speaker 4: Back into the sixties bro and into Harlem Renaissance and
Speaker 4: fucking Stokely and freaking Huey P.
Speaker 5: Newton, and I was.
Speaker 4: Really going a lot of black panthers, a lot of
Speaker 4: activists because you know how it worked back then, and
Speaker 4: particularly in that Berkeley area, right, particularly that Harlem area.
Speaker 4: Like the way it worked was gangster, still got to gangster.
Speaker 4: But I'd be damn if them activists weren't gonna make
Speaker 4: you pass out Turkey's doing.
Speaker 3: Oh nah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that was a beautiful marriage. And I think for me, Maddie,
Speaker 4: I just thought, the goal in life.
Speaker 5: For me is that. What I heard is that? What
Speaker 5: excuse me?
Speaker 4: I heard God say, which is a mary, make the
Speaker 4: world small as you can? I heard God say, Really,
Speaker 4: when I was young, Matt, the age when you and
Speaker 4: I played in a softball game at LA when the
Speaker 4: twins what age they were and they were maybe six,
Speaker 4: six or seven years old when I met match boys
Speaker 4: at that age a little bit older.
Speaker 5: My son is nine.
Speaker 4: I remember thinking Nov's twelve in a minute and a week,
Speaker 4: brave as nine.
Speaker 5: I remember thinking, like the world to be small. That's
Speaker 5: what Muhammad Ali did Wright stack right, Matt, Muhammed at
Speaker 5: the world small.
Speaker 4: So I realized that my objective was to match what
Speaker 4: God had wanted me to do my whole life.
Speaker 5: And now that I'm being cast as a.
Speaker 4: Thirty eight year old young man to play such an
Speaker 4: incredible character. I'll always think Curtis and Courtney for throwing
Speaker 4: me the live of getting all I could think of?
Speaker 4: So how do I make the world small on Sunday night?
Speaker 5: When is it air?
Speaker 3: Courtney?
Speaker 5: Sunday Night?
Speaker 1: What time?
Speaker 5: Cool? Oh? That time? Okay? So teenagers asleep, but they
Speaker 5: gonna sneak it.
Speaker 4: So how do I make it where Nova's age, which
Speaker 4: is almost twelve, all the way to the great grandparents
Speaker 4: of a twelve year old. Now you're pushing ninety. How
Speaker 4: do I get twelve and ninety in the same room
Speaker 4: while Stacking his wife are debating about what's going on
Speaker 4: between Ghost and Tasha. How do I get the pre
Speaker 4: teen and the great grandma to equally debate.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the teen directly debating with the great grandparent.
Speaker 4: And I just thought a show is one thing, but
Speaker 4: God has really given me a gift to try to
Speaker 4: make conversation happen via the use of me as a
Speaker 4: pretty solid actor.
Speaker 5: And that was the thing.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 5: The only way to do that is to go get
Speaker 5: all the generations.
Speaker 4: So for me, Matt, it couldn't be the local homies
Speaker 4: that I grew up, who was slinging crack rock.
Speaker 5: The nigger I grew up's name was Uli. I could
Speaker 5: think about Uli for a minute. I'm from that.
Speaker 4: I had to think about Uli because Uli was the
Speaker 4: one who had the blood dripping for the chain. When
Speaker 4: my big bro told me stop staring at Uli, it
Speaker 4: only was like, Nah, that nigga's cool, And so Uli
Speaker 4: embraced me.
Speaker 5: Uli was dead within five years of embracing me.
Speaker 4: But equally, if I'm at Harlem during that time, wouldn't
Speaker 4: a Malcolm Little now Malcolm X embrace me if Uli
Speaker 4: did so? My thought was, whomever would embrace me, make
Speaker 4: ghost an amalgamation of those people would embrace me. If
Speaker 4: the gangster would take me in, and if the activists
Speaker 4: would equally take me in, if you can marry the
Speaker 4: two together, then you you're making the room smaller.
Speaker 5: When the room is the viewership of who's downing.
Speaker 2: In and watching it sounds like great balance, yeah, me,
Speaker 2: because if it's one extreme, you balance it with something
Speaker 2: something more level headed or so just being able to
Speaker 2: balance balance the extremes, Yeah, to be able to garnish
Speaker 2: the entire so that.
Speaker 4: You could feel that, so that you are a stat
Speaker 4: could feel that now you're you're you're You're still the
Speaker 4: same player that took a basketball and thrusted it without
Speaker 4: releasing the basketball in a one Kobe breen Bryant's face.
Speaker 4: That that's stat can say all that along. I think
Speaker 4: like ghost though, Yes, that because you think a lot
Speaker 4: like me. Word, Matt, you were the ghost of the
Speaker 4: league at times, but you don't look like Dennis Robbin
Speaker 4: he equally was or was Rick Mahrn That Nah, because
Speaker 4: Rick wasn't his balanced.
Speaker 5: That's the point I'm making.
Speaker 4: You were balanced, Bro, the same dude you did that too,
Speaker 4: became one of your dear homies.
Speaker 5: That to me, that's the objective.
Speaker 4: Whether Canaan rocks with you at the three crop, like,
Speaker 4: make it where they can all at least sit down.
Speaker 4: That's what the mob boss is there, right, like just
Speaker 4: sit down, just let's have a conversation.
Speaker 3: Did you get to keep all them suits because they
Speaker 3: was fitted? Did you get to keep.
Speaker 5: Them stacking joints all fitted just for me? Bro? Right
Speaker 5: week before rap week before No.
Speaker 4: Season six, No Think the Board Season six, Courtney, let
Speaker 4: me go do a movie.
Speaker 5: I still had three episodes to do.
Speaker 3: You know that?
Speaker 5: Who done it?
Speaker 4: The final sixth episode where the who done It's right,
Speaker 4: and I know a lot of the fans were mad, like, wait,
Speaker 4: who done It's better? The reality of the who done it?
Speaker 4: Is better to be the ghost a living But obviously
Speaker 4: we learned that who done it? Were just about who
Speaker 4: did it? What a conclusion being that ghost is not
Speaker 4: a lie? I can say it now still hurts a
Speaker 4: week before a stack like rap rap, pack up the
Speaker 4: New York apartment rap rap, because I know the fate
Speaker 4: of my character.
Speaker 5: Remember the world.
Speaker 3: I know the faith but you knew already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I had three episodes, but this is
Speaker 4: after that. I had three episodes left. When Courtney did
Speaker 4: a really cool, solid and let me go to a movie.
Speaker 4: I did a movie with Nate Parker American. Skin had
Speaker 4: to lose some weight, real real quick, had to gain
Speaker 4: the weight back and then finish three more episodes of Power.
Speaker 4: We are now finished the sixteenth episode of season six
Speaker 4: and a half. I call it that because prior years,
Speaker 4: except for season one Stack, we were ten episode season
Speaker 4: one eight so final season sixteen, so season six and
Speaker 4: a half. Frank Fleming, Who's phenomenal. He was the show's
Speaker 4: clothing designer. He was the costume designers what you call it.
Speaker 4: So he designed and the look of the show, the
Speaker 4: whole thing. He was the costume designer as much as
Speaker 4: much as someone is giving the credit up being a
Speaker 4: set designer. He was the costume designer for all thirty
Speaker 4: five to sixty characters, guest stars included. He called me,
Speaker 4: he said, Oh, I don't know if you ever realized
Speaker 4: how many suits we bought that were never used, that
Speaker 4: they had tags on them, Homie, so some I hadn't
Speaker 4: even done the nip tuck.
Speaker 5: They're all yours. Oh wow, I said, what he said,
Speaker 5: They're all yours, just my rap gift to you.
Speaker 3: Damn wow.
Speaker 4: So I said, when can I come in? He goes,
Speaker 4: your what are your? What's going on? I said, Jay
Speaker 4: and I packing the New York apartment. We had bought
Speaker 4: the spot in Denver, which you knew, Matt. We were
Speaker 4: hiding out in Denver so doing the thing and the thing,
Speaker 4: and Chauncey was excited about me coming back to denverstack
Speaker 4: Chauncey billup shout out to Chauncy, like really excited. Champ
Speaker 4: told me he was gonna stay in Denver if I
Speaker 4: in fact really came back that Nigga left.
Speaker 3: Champ.
Speaker 5: You left me home, but I was prepping to move,
Speaker 5: and uh, I went bro. I was so excited that
Speaker 5: and I found there's so many suits.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, felt so complimentary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you deserved them.
Speaker 4: It was so many suits. She said, Okay, I got them.
Speaker 4: I said, are you are you doing? And he said, no,
Speaker 4: you I can. He said, I know your measurements. So
Speaker 4: pick out five, I said. He said no, no, no, you're
Speaker 4: getting seventy five suits. But pick out five that you
Speaker 4: could use right away for future things, interviews, whatnot. And
Speaker 4: then I'll get those done the way that all the
Speaker 4: other suits.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: That look you got so within that space.
Speaker 4: Of those five suits being made and the other seven
Speaker 4: years so floating.
Speaker 3: Stolen.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I called Frank and I said, are you mailing him?
Speaker 4: You said you were mailing them, they were shipping them.
Speaker 5: He said, oh.
Speaker 3: I said it wasn't ship one of them moves. Huh
Speaker 3: oh it was his ship.
Speaker 5: No, not Frank, now, Frank, No, Frank was right.
Speaker 4: He was right, almost in tears, right, said Frank, I
Speaker 4: never got those suits. Crickets on the phone. Frank has
Speaker 4: offered me to buy some of those suits. Years have passed,
Speaker 4: obviously spent five years since that show.
Speaker 5: It so hurt him that he is offered to buy
Speaker 5: some of those suits.
Speaker 4: Some of them either Oswald and or Tom Ford, whatever
Speaker 4: suits I got from that show, or whatever suits I
Speaker 4: had gotten or been gifted to war to either promote
Speaker 4: power and or any other thing, and stack those suits
Speaker 4: just happened to not be returned.
Speaker 5: From the closet. The entire.
Speaker 4: Rolodexum suits never got Wow, Thomas Man, you.
Speaker 2: Got you special because you just made a motherfucking suit
Speaker 2: story so suspenseful and had everybody on that I tell
Speaker 2: about suits, and he just had me running like, God, damn,
Speaker 2: what have these suits? Think this nigga?
Speaker 5: But but but I had to tell you that way.
Speaker 4: I had to tell There's no other way to tell
Speaker 4: you the story, Matt, because I wanted it to be
Speaker 4: known that the benevolence involved in that was that Frank
Speaker 4: had called and said, I have all these suits you
Speaker 4: and I can't not tell that story because Frank was
Speaker 4: a g for setting those suits inside for me. So
Speaker 4: for me, it is the thought that counts. As corny
Speaker 4: as that may sound, that's real. He really really was,
Speaker 4: Like I got these suits for you, bro, and so
Speaker 4: he and I.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You could use the word ghost all you want in
Speaker 4: many facets in life, but in this regard it's pretty apropos.
Speaker 4: I guess a ghost took them because I never saw
Speaker 4: those suits again.
Speaker 5: On that's a real story, bro.
Speaker 4: And if I could, if I could elongate the pat
Speaker 4: less stack gott of putting the motherfucker suits on you.
Speaker 1: Pimpin yeah, I told you six seven, Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have put suits with so different.
Speaker 2: Early in the morning of the show too, that nigga
Speaker 2: suited up at seven am like that, waking up early
Speaker 2: early to be making Tom he's gonna kill.
Speaker 4: His first I always wonder, I always you know, I know,
Speaker 4: y'all give credit to Spike Lee for being such a
Speaker 4: part of the basketball movement and hip hop becoming so
Speaker 4: synonymous with basketball. Spike has a lot to do with that.
Speaker 4: You think about Michael Jeffrey Jordan and his commercial, there's
Speaker 4: a lot, you know the relationship there. Power was such
Speaker 4: a beloved showing the hip hop culture. I always wonder
Speaker 4: what you guys experienced was either coming outro in terms
Speaker 4: of almost exiting stage left as NBA greats and still
Speaker 4: playing when Power was rocking. I always wonder what it
Speaker 4: what the buzz was for the NBA in terms of
Speaker 4: players watching it.
Speaker 3: With it, man, A lot of as soon as the
Speaker 3: game over.
Speaker 1: You seen the new show Power Mad because.
Speaker 2: I wanted to binge watch it. I don't want to
Speaker 2: know when to talk about it because I don't like
Speaker 2: just watch one is not enough for you go. I
Speaker 2: like to watch at least two, three, four, call asleep
Speaker 2: on you know what I mean? So, and then rewatch
Speaker 2: that when I leave off. So I never really want
Speaker 2: but we were all fucking with that ship.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that like on Hulu some shows come out,
Speaker 1: They're supposed to come out Thursday, but they come out
Speaker 1: eat them before the out midnight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been waiting on them. I'll be waiting.
Speaker 2: You ain't seen what happened to this the whole day up?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 3: I know you see Kill last night? Oh my bad?
Speaker 5: But did you watchoo wife Field?
Speaker 3: Did you so?
Speaker 5: But you had to? She would get mad like.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it. Yeah, that's how we are now
Speaker 3: still with shows with Yellowstone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm anna ask so when me and my
Speaker 2: girl fight, I'm gonna go watch our show without her?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you would you? And then actly would you play
Speaker 5: it off like you ain't seen it?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna letter. See me, I'm a letter, Come downstairs
Speaker 2: and see me in my little spot.
Speaker 3: Probably leave that day.
Speaker 2: That's what I'll be doing. We getting our fights. That's
Speaker 2: my pettiness is I'll watch the show we're watching together
Speaker 2: by myself, like ye see, fuck you.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 4: I was reading the book before it started. Do the
Speaker 4: fans of all the smoke y'all got crazy fans? Now
Speaker 4: y'all got a lot of fans. Do they understand what
Speaker 4: you meant when you said we make love to pressure?
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people do.
Speaker 4: What would what would your I want to carry that
Speaker 4: for the next twenty years of mine? You talked about
Speaker 4: Star Trek. That's a different kind of pressure. I'm truly
Speaker 4: in space.
Speaker 5: That's a different barometric literal pressure.
Speaker 3: How you act like you in space, that's a whole
Speaker 3: different thing.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, It's a different thing, right.
Speaker 4: So in my mind, I'm like, what that I want
Speaker 4: to carry as a mantra? Your answer to what that
Speaker 4: means to we make love to pressure? When I think
Speaker 4: about the next twenty years of my career.
Speaker 3: I can say this.
Speaker 1: It was exactly the way I thought of it when
Speaker 1: I was being asked about my road to get into
Speaker 1: the NBA. Everything I've been through, a big brother getting killed,
Speaker 1: all the stuff I've oed in on certain stuff at
Speaker 1: drugs at nineteen twenty years old, like all the stuff
Speaker 1: I've been through.
Speaker 3: I was asking the question because I was.
Speaker 1: It was after the championship, and they said, nothing broke,
Speaker 1: but you've been through so much stuff and you stay,
Speaker 1: you made to this point like this doesn't feel great.
Speaker 1: I said, I make love the pressure because I know
Speaker 1: how to make love to the good and bad times.
Speaker 1: So when it's when I'm down on having a bad time,
Speaker 1: you won't know it because I'm thankful for being alive
Speaker 1: and I got a day. I'm alive today to make
Speaker 1: things better. You know what I'm saying. The good times, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'renna enjoy the good times, but I know how to
Speaker 1: enjoy the bad the same way. So I make love
Speaker 1: the pressure.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
Speaker 5: I love that ak Frankie Beverly saying joy and pain.
Speaker 5: Can't he did?
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. That's it, Joy and paint, that's it.
Speaker 1: And you really need it, and even today being successful,
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to find joy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much pain still in me. There haven't let
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I want you to know it's gonna stay there. I
Speaker 4: just need that full circle. Matt Barry said, could Stack
Speaker 4: be an actor? He wants to be an actor? Shack
Speaker 4: I said, when I got money, and not money money,
Speaker 4: but like the beginning of the career, like grid Iron gag,
Speaker 4: you know, Dwayne Johnson two thousand and five money, I
Speaker 4: remember thinking.
Speaker 5: Damn, I'm not gonna have pain anymore. I needed the pain.
Speaker 4: Who's a dude who used to let me live on
Speaker 4: his couch in La And he said to me, said, bro,
Speaker 4: that ain't go nowhere anything.
Speaker 5: It's in the front. I said, somebody that's in the
Speaker 5: back pocket. Hell no, I said, once it's there's there.
Speaker 4: And sometimes Stack, I would listen to Tupac and I
Speaker 4: always loved that Tupac felt still hungry to me. And
Speaker 4: then I would listen to BIGGI and I was like, Damn, Biggie,
Speaker 4: don't sound hungry no more. Maybe it wasn't that Biggie
Speaker 4: was lacking the hunger and or the passion. Maybe it
Speaker 4: was that Pop just felt this urgency to work on
Speaker 4: the pain at all times, and Biggie might have decided
Speaker 4: at times when the camera's not wrong, apartment was constantly
Speaker 4: working on it. So part of my answer to you, Matt,
Speaker 4: that's what I was answering that I think Stack could
Speaker 4: be a great actor because Stack, I'll always see your pain.
Speaker 4: So if you say, but oh, you see my joy
Speaker 4: a fucking lutely, but I see your pain, bro, I
Speaker 4: think it's one of the dopest shits about you. I
Speaker 4: just really don't want people to try to Pain should
Speaker 4: not be discarded in the nearest trash can.
Speaker 5: Pain is unbelievably beautiful.
Speaker 4: Hallmark cards only work during Valentine's Pain is everything else,
Speaker 4: it's everything.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the joy wouldn't feel so good without.
Speaker 4: Without the pain, I mean, all the smoke is why why?
Speaker 5: Why why did y'all title it that? I'll ask you
Speaker 5: that man.
Speaker 1: We were high as heir and his sister was high
Speaker 1: with us, and she said it was.
Speaker 4: Like, you're right, that's it right there, But it's double
Speaker 4: it's double meaning.
Speaker 3: But you know it's double meaning.
Speaker 1: He mighty say something like that, and it just rings
Speaker 1: to you like you don't even question it.
Speaker 3: That's it, you know, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5: If you knew better, you do better.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 1: Yesterday we did a show with Roy Jones and Are
Speaker 1: Watt their partners with us.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, all the smoke fight with our boxing side right.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that man, and and congratulations, gratulations and.
Speaker 5: Art of war and show song to is.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy This was our first time doing a
Speaker 1: cross show.
Speaker 3: So I just came up, came up with the name
Speaker 3: for the cross show. What is it? Ar the smoke?
Speaker 3: I just said it just out the blue?
Speaker 5: Am I am my guest host? Why not?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: So we asked the question, hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on, I would love, I would love.
Speaker 1: We asked the question. We asked him a question. We
Speaker 1: asked him a question. What entertainer our athlete would be
Speaker 1: good to fit in with Roy Jones and Andre Ward?
Speaker 1: Who can look good talking about the boxing with him?
Speaker 1: I could, we asked, And we asked him that question. Also,
Speaker 1: and I know you.
Speaker 4: Can be a sport iu with be hop of with
Speaker 4: Roy olive Is and fellow Capricorn level maybe one of
Speaker 4: the greatest athletes we ever had as a monk.
Speaker 2: We talked about that could play the basketball game or
Speaker 2: it wouldn't beat somebody up later that night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pensacolas find us. I would do that in a heartbeat.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely gonna have you lined up.
Speaker 1: There were born and raised in g a tight knite family.
Speaker 1: I live in about the last twenty years. Painted picture
Speaker 1: of your of your upbringing, and how was it?
Speaker 5: Mama popped both home Stack, which.
Speaker 4: Was such a blessings. And it's an interesting thing when
Speaker 4: that becomes such a blessing in our community, as you
Speaker 4: know Stack, When all of a sudden somebody will say
Speaker 4: Cosby family just because of mom and a popper both
Speaker 4: in the house, you ain't got to be financially where
Speaker 4: Claire and Cliff Huxtable words.
Speaker 5: Both Cosbree family.
Speaker 4: So that was a very unique reality for me, for
Speaker 4: especially when I looked at the left and the right
Speaker 4: and it was an all black neighborhood.
Speaker 5: I grew up off Wesley Chapelin snap Fingerstack.
Speaker 4: You know where it is non gentrified Decatur, Bro, this
Speaker 4: ship is still not gentrified. I gotta go back and
Speaker 4: do whatever I can to get it right. I planned to,
Speaker 4: and it's getting right. There's beautiful businesses there beautiful people,
Speaker 4: but it just sort of forgotten about it in the
Speaker 4: downtown decayed areas. Start about more five of us in
Speaker 4: the house as in kids, because the oldest brother was more.
Speaker 5: He was in and out.
Speaker 4: He played at more House and as I told you all,
Speaker 4: he went on to play for Detroit, but he was
Speaker 4: definitely raised as the oldest brother. He was murdered, and
Speaker 4: then Malik is over me. I definitely got middle kids syndrome. Shit,
Speaker 4: I can relate to j cole song and then Jamil
Speaker 4: who matt un Stack of course know who's in LA
Speaker 4: and then Shiney was the lone.
Speaker 5: Sister and uh all black neighborhood Browns.
Speaker 4: Male baseball soccer got kind of boring quick. Baseball turned
Speaker 4: to basketball, turned the football, and then at one point
Speaker 4: I was playing all three and was doing that in
Speaker 4: high school as well.
Speaker 5: But Golden Glade is still there.
Speaker 3: Stacked.
Speaker 4: I went to do a video for the Golden Clad
Speaker 4: song that's off the Grammy nominated album, and the skating
Speaker 4: Ring they try to close it down, my bro. The infatigable,
Speaker 4: undefeatable spirit of Decatur is replicated or reflected in the
Speaker 4: fact that the skating ring that raised us, Bro is
Speaker 4: still there.
Speaker 5: Not not not Cascades cast games was dope. This is
Speaker 5: called Golden Glide.
Speaker 3: The song, yes, right, that's the that's the two aunt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I grew up right there, Bro. We was
Speaker 5: in the woods, Texas was the same. We played in
Speaker 5: the woods, right, growing in the woods.
Speaker 4: BB still in my hand from getting shot to this day,
Speaker 4: you know, in my in my uh, I would say
Speaker 4: six to twelve, thirteen year old running around self folks
Speaker 4: then moved the Stone Mountain. I'm in high school by then.
Speaker 4: But de caatur, I don't really, I don't you know.
Speaker 4: I said, I did a song recently, Bro, I got
Speaker 4: a project that the world will here soon and uh
Speaker 4: it's with an incredible cap from North Carolina, Anthony Hamilton.
Speaker 5: And Anthony had challenged me.
Speaker 4: He said, oh, I want the world to know more
Speaker 4: about where you're from and being the stack y'all know this.
Speaker 5: As a musical artist, you do say where you're from.
Speaker 4: As an actor, you don't as much because you got
Speaker 4: to hide out be wherever that character needs you to be,
Speaker 4: wherever that characters from.
Speaker 5: But I have.
Speaker 4: Stated it in songs, even in a song where they have,
Speaker 4: but Anthony missed it. So he was like, on this project,
Speaker 4: I want you to really put it out there. I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, So I did a song about it,
Speaker 4: and at one point it was a real nice, joyous
Speaker 4: moment to your point about joy Stack, where I said, man,
Speaker 4: I fuck around and realized in the middle of writing
Speaker 4: the verse, shit, ghosts from where I'm from, so as
Speaker 4: much as ghosts from New York, but ghosts from where
Speaker 4: I'm from. Because if y'all really believe in, all of
Speaker 4: the fans have humbled me equally and making me believe in.
Speaker 4: Curtis and Courtney hired me saying it's you, it's your role,
Speaker 4: this ship was made for you.
Speaker 5: Then ghosts were from where are you from?
Speaker 4: So that's an interesting, uh kind of perspective to look
Speaker 4: back when being asked, you know, how was your upbringing
Speaker 4: on and I think about it, I'm like, what's the
Speaker 4: most humbling part of that answer, Stack is the fact
Speaker 4: that any part of my upbringing is now forever in
Speaker 4: every single job and role I take on that I
Speaker 4: get to carry the cater with me in that way.
Speaker 4: That's kind of a really cool thing, and I guess
Speaker 4: we all do. If we get a stage in a
Speaker 4: microphone wherever we're from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you played all three sports.
Speaker 3: He was nice and all of them.
Speaker 4: Really really nice and not trashing anything nothing.
Speaker 3: So you hoop baseball and football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh starter all three really good in baseball,
Speaker 4: which Matt Madden and I played baseball together, really good
Speaker 4: in baseball.
Speaker 5: That nigga was crazy baseball.
Speaker 4: I was really good in baseball, Pops thinks that was
Speaker 4: my best sport obviously.
Speaker 3: Stack.
Speaker 4: I was a really good football player, running back, running
Speaker 4: back in the dB corner. You know, high school you
Speaker 4: go both ways, but as you know, collegees end up
Speaker 4: recruiting dbs because it's so rare to find good dbs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then in.
Speaker 4: Basketball, I was a really solid player play point guard obviously,
Speaker 4: and really solid and still get down with it, which
Speaker 4: is why Chris Matthews with me lethal shooter. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get out there with you at Maddick. We ain't never
Speaker 4: done that. But how you ain't invited me? You one
Speaker 4: of the great basketball players the NBA. You ain't never
Speaker 4: invited me to play ball.
Speaker 3: You never played in the Luttle game.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I played in the lot game weekend. Yeah
Speaker 5: played and I just played together. We destroyed that. We
Speaker 5: were crazy Ludas still do his lot weekend.
Speaker 3: You still doing okay, he still do it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out, I got it, starting to walk of fame.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, he got big. That was a big yeah. Man.
Speaker 2: You end up going to Georgia and cross Paths with
Speaker 2: a lot of talent, from Champ Bailey to Terrell, David Heines,
Speaker 2: Ward Kirby, Smart with Herby. What was that experience?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: It was interesting while being in it because you didn't know,
Speaker 4: as you know, Matt, you you didn't know, especially with football,
Speaker 4: you might know the fate of some of these cats,
Speaker 4: but you didn't.
Speaker 2: Really know, really didn't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's different for y'all because you know when you're
Speaker 4: in a college campus. Matt's at UCLA, guys, he's did
Speaker 4: you grow well in school?
Speaker 5: Were you six six?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I was already okay, all right.
Speaker 1: He was already familiar with the campus too. Before he
Speaker 1: got there, he had been a thought.
Speaker 5: Did you just take a drink? Because of that, now.
Speaker 2: I'm confused on what he was saying. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what the fu he's talking about.
Speaker 3: You wasn't getting yeah, CLA campus there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I've always kind of did my
Speaker 2: thing but.
Speaker 3: He's going to hooping and all that before you went
Speaker 3: to school, right.
Speaker 5: He thought you were saying. There was a moment where
Speaker 5: I remember, this was a crazy moment.
Speaker 4: I remember when Hans Ward who was playing wing back,
Speaker 4: a little bit quarterback, a.
Speaker 5: Little bit to wide receiver.
Speaker 4: I remember when Haines was being set because he was
Speaker 4: so gifted that they couldn't figure out where to play him.
Speaker 4: And so I think when I referenced basketball and then Stack,
Speaker 4: you were going through a different journey than Matt.
Speaker 5: But you was a baller nonetheless.
Speaker 4: From y'all the freaking Monsy Bogues right growing up in
Speaker 4: the Baltimore area he grew up in. Once you get
Speaker 4: on a college campus as a basketball player, y'all really
Speaker 4: do stick with each other. It ain't but like you know,
Speaker 4: eleven players on the team or whatnot. The football players
Speaker 4: are so bountiful in number that sometimes you look back
Speaker 4: and you go, damn, did.
Speaker 5: I know that one was going to end up? It
Speaker 5: was so many cats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just racking each other every single day
Speaker 4: that there's not necessarily standout moments in practice, if that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 5: But sometime time during the Saturday games.
Speaker 4: You were like, oh, shit when they moved Robert Edwards
Speaker 4: from dB excuse me, and put him at running back.
Speaker 5: The year that Terrell left.
Speaker 4: Terrell had transferred in as y'all know, from Long Beach State,
Speaker 4: they lost their program. He transfers to Georgia and really
Speaker 4: didn't get enough burn at Georgia. But as y'all also know,
Speaker 4: John Elway has no rings without Terrell Davis, and then
Speaker 4: Terrell's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: Terrell was the same way as he is now then
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 4: As was Champ, as was Travis Stroud, Robert Edwards, Randall, Godfrey, Kirby,
Speaker 4: not as much Kirby. In terms of this thing. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say they were real big on yo. If the
Speaker 4: football don't work out for u, O, you got some
Speaker 4: shit with this poetry stuff, with this art stuff. Because
Speaker 4: I was minoring in theater and already doing stage plays.
Speaker 4: There was one player in that group outside of Robert.
Speaker 4: Once Robert went to running back, and I knew Robert
Speaker 4: was gonna get a real shot in the league because
Speaker 4: he took off as a running back after leaving us
Speaker 4: in the defensive backfield, Corey Johnson was free safety. Kirby
Speaker 4: backed him up Champ ORLANDI Sims, myself, Buster, Douglas, Ron Bailey,
Speaker 4: Champs older brother, Kirby Smart, I said, Kirby, all of
Speaker 4: us are defensive backs. When Champ came in and I
Speaker 4: had a year with him, there was the moment where
Speaker 4: you went, oh, he's out here. So there was that
Speaker 4: moment where that was obvious, and you know occasionally you
Speaker 4: get oh, like he's out here. Did I know he'd
Speaker 4: become arguably the top three defensive back of cover corner
Speaker 4: of all time?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 5: And right three? I mean yeah, right, cover corner definitely
Speaker 5: up there, top five, top five cover corner.
Speaker 4: So so Dionavs check Dale Green Green Green. I would
Speaker 4: say no, but Charles a strong safety free corner, Okay,
Speaker 4: I would give Champ over him at I would. I
Speaker 4: would go corner. Definitely cover corner. You gotta put Champ
Speaker 4: before you put Dale Green up there, and then you
Speaker 4: put and then you Rod Woodson is one of the
Speaker 4: greatest all around defensive backs, right, Ronnie a lot stupid
Speaker 4: at free safety, Steve at Water two, But cover corner,
Speaker 4: I guess the right right to the top four, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, sure, So there was It was an amazing
Speaker 4: time for me. Matt being in the SEC because we
Speaker 4: were building it. I look at it now and I'm like,
Speaker 4: we're not building it in the in the way that
Speaker 4: Herschel and Bo Jackson were building it. But I'm realizing
Speaker 4: now we were building it in the way that now
Speaker 4: it's premiered in the playoff system when there wasn't a
Speaker 4: playoff system, meaning that every year parentally the SEC ends,
Speaker 4: so that we were building that.
Speaker 5: For a minute now has been that.
Speaker 2: How did being an athlete prepare you to be an actor?
Speaker 4: I think, first and foremost the number of people on
Speaker 4: a on a movie set working with the team. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because again specific to the sport, the football team has
Speaker 4: so many people in the locker room, man on the sideline,
Speaker 4: and I think the first level of preparation, maybe that's
Speaker 4: the last. Maybe that's the last step of preparation because
Speaker 4: they got to make it to a movie set, right.
Speaker 4: But in terms of getting through auditions and all of that,
Speaker 4: it's just the rejection.
Speaker 5: I feel like every single day your coach is rejecting
Speaker 5: you at some point, is am I wrong?
Speaker 4: So I just feel like the audition process just didn't
Speaker 4: affect me negatively. You and Stack started out this conversation
Speaker 4: with saying y'all try to bring just positivity to the
Speaker 4: world of conversation. I hate calling them interviews, this conversation
Speaker 4: pull up a chair and have a conversation, and y'all
Speaker 4: having to be.
Speaker 5: Really successful at it. But I think a lot of
Speaker 5: that we learned as athletes.
Speaker 4: I know it was me individually, but when you asked that,
Speaker 4: you're asking all of us.
Speaker 5: I think the three of us just really deal well
Speaker 5: with what is rejection.
Speaker 4: Rejections just that day's telling you no, but the next
Speaker 4: day you're gonna tell me yes. And I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: everything i'm my power to get you to tell me yes.
Speaker 4: So I think I don't know how an athlete doesn't
Speaker 4: carry every day that they wake up. I don't know
Speaker 4: how they don't carry that athletic thing that they have
Speaker 4: right every day.
Speaker 5: Y' all athletes right, whether the room whom you're meeting
Speaker 5: with understands it or not.
Speaker 4: So forget acting. I think it prepped me for life,
Speaker 4: bro like being an athlete is. I'm so thankful God
Speaker 4: gave me athletic gift because what if it wasn't there.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's better training than that of
Speaker 4: an athlete, which is why so many jobs Fortune five
Speaker 4: hundred companies included go Yes, come hither.
Speaker 2: Yes, give you a chance athlete. I was brought up
Speaker 2: with biracial parents, my mom being Italian, my dad being black,
Speaker 2: and I remember I remember being young on the Italian side,
Speaker 2: my family didn't accept my mom, my dad, or even
Speaker 2: us as children until I was maybe seven or eight.
Speaker 2: And then then it became a great relation with her
Speaker 2: side of the family. But early on there was an
Speaker 2: acceptance with your marriage. You know, we read that your
Speaker 2: wife's side disowned her for dating outside of her race.
Speaker 2: What did that mean to you?
Speaker 4: Well, initially, you know it has to bother you because
Speaker 4: you care so much about you know, this person, So
Speaker 4: you feel like that's a personal attack attack. You feel
Speaker 4: like it's a And again there were times that Jay
Speaker 4: would have to remind me, like this is you know,
Speaker 4: I gotta get let me, let me experience the heat
Speaker 4: not only for you, but let me also experience the
Speaker 4: pain before you jump in front of the train and
Speaker 4: go I got hit because it's you know, the direct
Speaker 4: hit is not to me. But I don't know what
Speaker 4: man has a pair between his legs and isn't wanting
Speaker 4: to get in front of that, right that that locomotion
Speaker 4: running over your your significant other you care.
Speaker 5: So much about. And so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was a real interesting reminder that
Speaker 4: sometimes the apple doesn't necessarily fall, you know, that that
Speaker 4: close to the tree. And uh and that in whatever
Speaker 4: year that was, twenty years ago I met her. That
Speaker 4: damn as much as things have changed so much, as
Speaker 4: not changed so much. And you always think that kids
Speaker 4: would would would do it, that braven Nova being Matt
Speaker 4: Barnes would make grandparents go fuck it, look at these
Speaker 4: beautiful grandkids.
Speaker 5: And her mother eventually did.
Speaker 4: But uh, but Pops outroed without without ever having a
Speaker 4: part of that, and uh, you know he I guess
Speaker 4: god is who has nationality is? You can't tell? I know, right,
Speaker 4: She's like a month, You're like, what is Jay?
Speaker 3: Jay?
Speaker 4: When doing her family history, finally learned that there's a
Speaker 4: whole bit she's German, but there's all this Turkish which
Speaker 4: the Turkish is at Yakut, which is the Aboriginals of Turkey,
Speaker 4: and there Indians from Turkey. So for years people didn't know,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of a lot of people didn't
Speaker 4: really know what Jay was.
Speaker 5: When I met her, I couldn't tell.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It didn't matter.
Speaker 4: But everywhere we go, you know, it's always been a
Speaker 4: history of going to a country that if we're in
Speaker 4: Matt's native uh Italy, which is obviously part of matsan
Speaker 4: ancestral line. If we're in Italy, Stack people go Italian.
Speaker 4: If we're in Israel, they start speaking.
Speaker 5: Arabic to her.
Speaker 4: If we're in you know, whatever that particular language is,
Speaker 4: or a particular country that we're in, they tend to
Speaker 4: think that she is that.
Speaker 5: So I don't you know, I don't know. Somebody said
Speaker 5: one day she just looked like a character from the Bible.
Speaker 5: Just one of the things.
Speaker 1: My wife is to telling her mama talk about that
Speaker 1: same ship. Her mom say that her whole family disowned
Speaker 1: her like for for life because she got her husband.
Speaker 1: My wife's dad is from DC, a real black man,
Speaker 1: and she said once she's had a babey him like
Speaker 1: they like to this day. My wife beople asking like, Mom,
Speaker 1: I want to meet some of my family. You have
Speaker 1: any family, and it is I don't know nobody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she don't know nobody.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing. Stack is such a it's it's
Speaker 4: an instinct, you know. I know it's an instinct.
Speaker 5: When you say real black man, it's like, butta you
Speaker 5: also know, like Matt's a nigga.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question.
Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is no, I know, you know.
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is what also makes it hard.
Speaker 4: And I imagine that you know, it's different for Matt.
Speaker 4: I've talked to Halle Berry about this, right, bi racial
Speaker 4: and in that era, bro really different and Matt's era
Speaker 4: really different than it is for Novan Brave.
Speaker 5: But you can't have Omari in the house and not
Speaker 5: come out.
Speaker 2: With some tendency.
Speaker 3: You can't. I don't know how to. I can't. It's
Speaker 3: this nigga. I say nigga, and he still got residue
Speaker 3: trying to get out of him.
Speaker 5: And I say niggas their hardest.
Speaker 4: They will try their hardest to uh, you know, to.
Speaker 5: Unculture. You can't.
Speaker 4: And there's so many people that that have had misnomers
Speaker 4: or you know, it's a misnomer to think like, oh,
Speaker 4: if you interracially marry, you just stopped being Like no,
Speaker 4: you don't stop being who you are who you are.
Speaker 5: The person just has to adjust to that.
Speaker 4: And you know, we also know that in our bowl
Speaker 4: of whatever called all black people, there's a motherfuckers in
Speaker 4: there that you wouldn't necessarily want to rock with.
Speaker 3: So all skin folks ain't kim folk. All skin soak
Speaker 3: aint caim fold.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's that's a that's a yeah, Maddie, I've always
Speaker 4: felt I mean, maybe Stephen and I both failed from you.
Speaker 5: A lot of people do a lot of a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot.
Speaker 4: Of the pain I see in Steven's eyes, or the
Speaker 4: pain that are are is the pain.
Speaker 5: I should say that.
Speaker 4: It's very specific to what I know about stax life,
Speaker 4: and I know a lot about his journey. I don't
Speaker 4: know everything, but I know a lot. And I see
Speaker 4: the chip on your shoulder, and it's a good chip.
Speaker 5: It's good. Jason Kidd does the same thing. Same ship.
Speaker 5: It's just good.
Speaker 4: It's like it's it's what it is, same ship.
Speaker 5: Is that all that? All that Oakland ship that I'm
Speaker 5: Atlanta's Oakland?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 5: There at very.
Speaker 3: Very similar, bro very similar.
Speaker 2: Now you're talking raised language.
Speaker 3: Here we go, right oak the boy right there?
Speaker 5: It's real.
Speaker 4: You know, even if Phoene was she really wanted Tupac
Speaker 4: and Atlanta. It's it's a real there's a very Boots rally.
Speaker 4: And I got along really well man, if that makes
Speaker 4: sense to you. When I did Sorry to Bother you,
Speaker 4: that Oakland nigga and this the Cat nigga, we was very.
Speaker 5: Tight Miss Boots.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here and work with him again,
Speaker 2: before we get out of your fatherhood?
Speaker 5: Everything is that what you guys?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Everything? What does it mean? What does it talk
Speaker 3: to you? But what does it mean?
Speaker 2: First?
Speaker 5: And form is what It's definitely taught me that they
Speaker 5: know more than us.
Speaker 3: What's the ages nine.
Speaker 4: And no Bravest nine and Nova will be twelve, no twenty. First,
Speaker 4: the irony is.
Speaker 5: The level of patience.
Speaker 4: Obviously that that we have to have and uh, and
Speaker 4: it's taught me man to you know, Maddie, when I
Speaker 4: was doing the freaking power Ship, I'd wake up and like,
Speaker 4: I get off. Maybe, especially those first two years we
Speaker 4: were trying to you know, establish the show and.
Speaker 5: I get off.
Speaker 4: And I love that they really pushed it towards Joseph
Speaker 4: season two right he was. They were able to develop
Speaker 4: Tommy Moore in season two of those first that first year,
Speaker 4: especially oh bro, So if I got off two am.
Speaker 4: You know, I'd be up and y'all know I'm already
Speaker 4: naturally rasped me. But then I'd have no voice the
Speaker 4: next day, and then I'd be holding nov and Brave
Speaker 4: the Brave wasn't born yet, holding over and Jay would be.
Speaker 5: Like, Man, you gotta go to this. I said no.
Speaker 5: So what it's taught me Mad is.
Speaker 4: Like, oh if I don't hold him, I knew the
Speaker 4: show was gonna be successful.
Speaker 5: This show ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 4: So the show's gonna take some years from my relationship
Speaker 4: with her, and if not my relationship in terms of
Speaker 4: intrinsic bond between she and I, then at least my
Speaker 4: relationship in terms of time allotted for us to hang.
Speaker 5: It's gonna take it, Matt.
Speaker 4: So for me, it has definitely taught me that my
Speaker 4: instincts couldn't have been taught, which is get all the
Speaker 4: time you can get while getting it.
Speaker 5: But now, Bro, I have to be so patient with this,
Speaker 5: especially with the girl.
Speaker 4: Man, you got three boys four, Yeah, you have another son, stack,
Speaker 4: you got a daughter, right, so you know how it goes.
Speaker 5: You know how it goes with the daughters.
Speaker 4: Yes, the level of because you got nephews stack the
Speaker 4: level of maturity MB for the.
Speaker 2: Girls, I gotta I got a thirteen year old stepdaughter.
Speaker 2: She's sitting in the room all day, talking shit to
Speaker 2: both of us and listening to music and wearing clothes.
Speaker 2: We comeing out the room like, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you wearing? Like it's it's there.
Speaker 4: And then their brain, their brain is so developed that
Speaker 4: and Novah's been fine with the clothing, she's not. But again,
Speaker 4: you're thirteen. Mine's not even twelve yet there's there's the uh,
Speaker 4: where's my I want to I'm miss baby. It went
Speaker 4: fast with Novah, it went brave. Still Brave was on.
Speaker 4: They took me to UH to dinner to celebrate the
Speaker 4: Grammy nomination and uh and brave is still not. Yeah
Speaker 4: nine ballin Ballin' ballin great crazy basketball player, as is
Speaker 4: Jamal's son Heart my nephew Hart.
Speaker 5: They both can ball out, but.
Speaker 4: Nova volleyball transition out of baseball not softball. Mattrees baseball player,
Speaker 4: rock and rolling.
Speaker 5: Very gifted.
Speaker 4: Young lady played in her first played her first character
Speaker 4: played Raffiki and Lion King last year.
Speaker 5: Really, we've got a lot of gifts.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
Speaker 5: Thank you for that and.
Speaker 4: Brave Bill lay goals in five seconds, mad if he
Speaker 4: can't finish it in ten seconds, Like, they're very very
Speaker 4: gifted kids, but his to your point, there is still
Speaker 4: a child there.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I got some years.
Speaker 4: Well, nova, bro, I'm like, I hope she don't be
Speaker 4: eighteen tomorrow. So it's taught me patience. It's definitely taught
Speaker 4: me to really value their their their their feelings because
Speaker 4: as Maddie, they get to have feelings in ways that
Speaker 4: we didn't get to have feelings.
Speaker 2: And privileges that we couldn't talk and I didn't.
Speaker 3: We can't.
Speaker 4: We were They would tell you, actually don't speak unless
Speaker 4: spoken to, and it was we could express ourselves.
Speaker 5: We had to fun. I grew up having fun with them.
Speaker 2: Feelings my uncles.
Speaker 4: And nots were incredible for me and my cousins. But
Speaker 4: we definitely were not allowed and by the way, we
Speaker 4: were outside all day. We weren't allowed that, but we
Speaker 4: could be outside all day all day. Man, the kids
Speaker 4: can't go down the street to thee.
Speaker 3: They can't go.
Speaker 2: It sucks what happened. I think the world changed. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of weirdos, too many weirdos out there.
Speaker 5: Social media flush brought that.
Speaker 2: Out anywhere else, and then video game trafficking.
Speaker 3: They picking up kids and Yankee kids up all kind
Speaker 3: of shit and they safe.
Speaker 2: I missed that. I didn't mean to cut you out,
Speaker 2: but I just missed because I think about all the
Speaker 2: life you learned from that, just being outside, from that,
Speaker 2: as soon as we can get outside until the lights,
Speaker 2: was outside, drinking hose water, playing in the creek, playing
Speaker 2: in the woods, going.
Speaker 5: Back, fight fight.
Speaker 1: You learned everything by being outside and then become close
Speaker 1: to the dude. You You learned everything how to beat
Speaker 1: that for somebody. You know, all you learned, all that.
Speaker 3: Shit is gone.
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
Speaker 4: So when you asked that, it's interesting to ask because
Speaker 4: I could imagine you asking that. If you and Stack
Speaker 4: had to show twelve years it's a different you know,
Speaker 4: twenty years ago. For sure, it's a very different reality.
Speaker 4: And I'm in my mind thinking, wow, I remember moments
Speaker 4: where at least these kids are athletics, so they're not
Speaker 4: playing the video games all day.
Speaker 5: But I remember moments.
Speaker 4: Where I'm sitting and listening to a conversation between adults,
Speaker 4: even if I'm not involved in the conversation between adults.
Speaker 4: Kids now get to go what.
Speaker 2: Say what interrupting and talking about we're talking. It's different dad,
Speaker 2: to be parents now right now, to be parents. My
Speaker 2: dad used to think playing video games will fuck up
Speaker 2: the color on the TV. Did he think that a
Speaker 2: nick was crazy?
Speaker 3: He thought he.
Speaker 2: Would fuck the color up if we put the video
Speaker 2: game on the TV while he is at work. What
Speaker 2: he's saying, fucking my color up? Now you used to
Speaker 2: think to fuck the color. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was off a lot of different drugs. So, but
Speaker 2: that was the one thing he thought was putting the
Speaker 2: video game on the TV. Fuck the color up.
Speaker 1: They used to tell us because the controls only went
Speaker 1: so far oh from the court, So they to tell us,
Speaker 1: did you sit there close to the TV, You're gonna get blind?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah at that point, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: they didn't play the game.
Speaker 2: I can't see where the ship so that might have
Speaker 2: been true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the teeth, but the freaking the phones.
Speaker 1: Now, the kid's gonna be You said your daughter played
Speaker 1: Lion King. She did you play with in the movie or.
Speaker 3: The play the Broadway? No?
Speaker 5: No, no, playing school?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so okay, after because my godson is he
Speaker 1: in it? He played two years he played Simba and
Speaker 1: Uh Broadway in New York and The Lion King and
Speaker 1: The Original, The Best, The Original, and then he just
Speaker 1: got through doing Michael Jackie played Marlon and Michael Jackson Jackson.
Speaker 1: Now he's in the movie playing Marlon and Michael movie
Speaker 1: that's been that's getting shot. That your nephew, my godson.
Speaker 1: Hats off, bro, Yeah, shout out jack He's he's unbelievable kid, brolable.
Speaker 5: That's super the hewed.
Speaker 1: Is he that's he's fourteen now and he made a
Speaker 1: song called black boy Joy.
Speaker 3: Y'all go check it out.
Speaker 5: He's just rocket.
Speaker 3: It's just good for the youth to hear.
Speaker 5: Spotify could go and get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, black boy Joy. He's super positive, good kid. Shout
Speaker 1: out to his mom, Shout out to his dad. Snap
Speaker 1: hunted like they're doing a great Where is he lim Memphis?
Speaker 1: Listen Memphis? So yeah, from Dayna.
Speaker 2: Well Mark, it's been a it's been an in depth,
Speaker 2: beautiful long overdue too.
Speaker 3: Bro. We can do.
Speaker 2: We sit here talk all night before we get out
Speaker 2: of here, and we got some quick hitters for you.
Speaker 2: So first thing to come to mind. Let us know
Speaker 2: five dinner guests U plus five did or alive? Who's
Speaker 2: at your table?
Speaker 3: I love this ship. That's a good question. I want.
Speaker 5: It's a great question.
Speaker 4: This thing I want to Muhammad Ali is back there.
Speaker 4: I get to hang with him before he passed about
Speaker 4: two years. Shout out to may Mae Ali and his
Speaker 4: doorter for hooking that up. And and uh, Malcolm X
Speaker 4: is there for sure. Uh you know who I've always loved.
Speaker 4: You're gonna You're gonna trip on this. I've always wanted
Speaker 4: to just pick his brain. Davante from Joessy Beautiful mind,
Speaker 4: I just beautiful mind.
Speaker 2: Do you hear the crazy? But then you hear how
Speaker 2: talented and how smart he was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a brains man all that.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the first first time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, special And and the and the brother. I
Speaker 4: check on him a lot, y'all know the brother. Now
Speaker 4: he's playing college ball with the one arm.
Speaker 3: We coached. I coached him in the opposite.
Speaker 5: So I've been talking to him.
Speaker 4: But I would love for a manual to not only
Speaker 4: be at that table, but to be able to because
Speaker 4: because his tears would start when when when I put
Speaker 4: him on the spot by telling him how many of
Speaker 4: those greats at the table admire that he can do
Speaker 4: something that none.
Speaker 3: Of us can do. Most won't even have, most don't
Speaker 3: have the confidence to do with two arms. Crazy, right,
Speaker 3: Think about that.
Speaker 1: You got people that two arms that don't believe in
Speaker 1: the basketball skills he has.
Speaker 3: One and confidences through the roof. I love it. I
Speaker 3: love it. Bro and a good kid.
Speaker 5: I love talking to him.
Speaker 4: And and then I would say, I got Lastie, last
Speaker 4: Sie making a special seat.
Speaker 5: I never got to.
Speaker 4: I met Prince a lot so but I never got to.
Speaker 5: I never.
Speaker 4: It's so tough, Matt, because who I want to say,
Speaker 4: because I never got to meet this gentleman, and that
Speaker 4: being Michael Jackson. But but I want to say Quincy.
Speaker 4: I want to say Quincy. I never I met Quincy.
Speaker 4: Very quicken and passing. But I'm so musical. There's got
Speaker 4: to be somebody that's a musical giant there that can
Speaker 4: go back and forth between Davante and I think that's
Speaker 4: that's interesting like that.
Speaker 2: It's a nice table. It's interesting conversations. Some ship, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: some real ship.
Speaker 4: What was your mount was Davis to Broda would be
Speaker 4: Miles would be killing.
Speaker 3: Your mount Mount Rushmore. Of actors.
Speaker 5: Only get four slots or.
Speaker 3: For this, nigga said five.
Speaker 5: I'm okay.
Speaker 3: He was trying to have been a new mountain. Okay,
Speaker 3: I ain't know.
Speaker 2: Dead over there tripping.
Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore. That's amazing. The one who made me want
Speaker 4: to become an actor. I saw him in a stack,
Speaker 4: still laughing at you. Nigga, usually come sit with me.
Speaker 2: Come I have that in there comes sit.
Speaker 5: I feel they told me before you came in. You
Speaker 5: know what your name precedes. But God bless you though,
Speaker 5: oh the fact that you're here. God bless you Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 4: So the actor Stack who maybe one act I saw
Speaker 4: Raging Bull and I was blown so Robert Dinner on
Speaker 4: first almost.
Speaker 3: I was blown away.
Speaker 4: Denzel Uh, Meryl Street. God, I got one slot left.
Speaker 4: My honorable mentions would absolutely be Marlon Brandon and Steve McQueen.
Speaker 4: But and I really love Angela Bassett. But but I'm
Speaker 4: going to say rest in peace. Having just passed the
Speaker 4: range of James Earl Jones was crazy. I think about
Speaker 4: from Darth Vader two to to to Bingo Long traveling.
Speaker 5: To Conan too, to think it's coming to.
Speaker 4: To even Sandlot, guys Sandlot like like James Earl. Jones's
Speaker 4: range was just some Claudine right, but he played in
Speaker 4: Claudaine and long jefviy. I just think James was as
Speaker 4: special as they come, great White Hope, right, James O. Jones,
Speaker 4: So that that would be Those four were pretty magnificent.
Speaker 5: One album on repeat, damn it, only one? Only one,
Speaker 5: y'all truly all all to smoke. This is unbelievable. One album.
Speaker 2: I want to do two and you can do? You
Speaker 2: mar you do you want give me two?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you two.
Speaker 4: Ship on repeat, on repeat, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson's off the Wall, Jones. I'm gonna say Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson off the Wall, and then I'm gonna sit.
Speaker 5: I just love this dude's voice. It's so amazing. What's
Speaker 5: the album? What's the album? Guys?
Speaker 4: Chris Stapleton's album, and it might be where I'm at
Speaker 4: these days?
Speaker 5: What's this album called? Know? The New One, the brand
Speaker 5: New One? Higher?
Speaker 4: Chris Stapleton's Higher, because what I wanted to give you,
Speaker 4: Matt was where I'm presently at. So Chris Stapleton is
Speaker 4: on repeat and we in textas, so fuck it. Chris
Speaker 4: Stapleton's album is on heavy repeat. That albums called Higher,
Speaker 4: and I think I've always kind of gone back to
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson's Off the Wall and it just never gets old.
Speaker 5: I freaking love that damn Mary J. Blige album.
Speaker 1: No, My Life, My Life, that's you got to start there.
Speaker 4: That joint was k C shout out to marriage Pleasure
Speaker 4: riding that damn motorcycle stand riding that bike. I love that, Matt,
Speaker 4: that gave that sound right away. At this point, Jay
Speaker 4: and the kids have relegated me to riding in the
Speaker 4: neghborhood and you're.
Speaker 3: Part of the club.
Speaker 5: No, I was at one point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was definitely me and Uh, Malcolm, Jamal Warner
Speaker 4: and uh and f Gary Gray will ride with us
Speaker 4: as well, Malcolm F Gary Grade. When I was in Cali,
Speaker 4: Matt and I was really riding Angela's crest.
Speaker 5: I was really too tempary.
Speaker 2: I was going at it too dangerous.
Speaker 5: It's too crazy.
Speaker 4: Because you know when I started stacking, wasn't there's no
Speaker 4: cell phones when I started riding the motorcycle. Now it's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's not the cyclist, right, The motorcyclists are usually pretty.
Speaker 2: People on the phones on their cars.
Speaker 5: But it is a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: It is in sweets. I still really I always like
Speaker 5: my cookies, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like my get away from that. You the same?
Speaker 5: What that caka pie for you? I'm a I'm a cookie.
Speaker 3: I make cookies. I baked cook You never give me
Speaker 3: no cookies fire none. You lean in to say that
Speaker 3: what you mean.
Speaker 2: He talking about that? You peels bury out the the.
Speaker 5: Thing the butter that was look was that he was
Speaker 5: pissing and came off the bro.
Speaker 3: I got him oat mill pecan. Though I know what
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: I'm only old.
Speaker 4: I'm no other cooks. I'm an oatmeal guy, oat mill pecan,
Speaker 4: no rais. I don't do raised he the pecan.
Speaker 3: Would you hooked me up? Bro?
Speaker 1: I got you, Bro, I was I was holding. Somebody
Speaker 1: asked because my MoMA gonna.
Speaker 5: Make some ship wrong stack for real.
Speaker 3: I just made a gumbo a couple of days ago.
Speaker 3: I'm like that in the kitchen.
Speaker 5: You are like that.
Speaker 3: I'm Judy's son, Judy.
Speaker 2: Judy's birthday this weekend, not even jud Judy Judy at
Speaker 2: happy birthday coming up on my birthday.
Speaker 3: The Texas birthday is on the twenty of this month.
Speaker 4: Birthday that's the day before nov the day before my daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: hay birthday all you birthday, Judy?
Speaker 5: Is your is your Monday?
Speaker 2: Is that still scorpio that the cunning in. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: twin the twins are the six they just turned sixteen.
Speaker 5: That was about to say, they really, I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 2: That's all today about six two sixty three girl friends
Speaker 2: condoms like they just turned sixteen.
Speaker 5: Which one of the most like pop.
Speaker 2: They both have different sizes of me. One's the loving
Speaker 2: side of me and one's the crazy side of me.
Speaker 2: But they both got sense.
Speaker 5: But they're very close.
Speaker 4: They feel they've been there before Broy one hundred years age.
Speaker 3: I met him when they was little.
Speaker 5: The tough kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to make them tough to me because,
Speaker 2: like we were talking about, like they don't get the
Speaker 2: bumps and bruises. So I used to let them fuck
Speaker 2: each other up. But as soon as one would hurt
Speaker 2: the other one that they was like if one cry,
Speaker 2: the other would cry, stop and help.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was such a crazy bomb. But like I said,
Speaker 2: they didn't get that outdoor experience. So I had to
Speaker 2: toughen them up behind the gates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you go over there, what's up? You
Speaker 3: up step what? This has been going on for a
Speaker 3: while now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that, but that's why they're so ahead of the
Speaker 1: game because he's been raising them like men for so long.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I try to not talk to Braven over
Speaker 4: like kids ever.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, like not the baby talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, childhood crush will take you back. Oh yeah, you
Speaker 2: got a childhood crush.
Speaker 5: Easy for me. And I ended up working with him.
Speaker 5: I bet y'all. Ain't never had nobody on that can
Speaker 5: say they ended up working with him.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody I had a child crush with. It turned
Speaker 1: out to be shipped ship damn sore. Ain't saying nothing.
Speaker 5: The motherfuckers my childhood crush.
Speaker 4: I had to The first one was was burning that
Speaker 4: standards Thelma from Good Time, and then uh, and then
Speaker 4: of course when when Janet was Charlotte ironically planning a
Speaker 4: character where I wasn't trying to get in get nothing
Speaker 4: from her because the character was gay, but you know,
Speaker 4: and Tyler Perrys for Color.
Speaker 2: That's what it was. I was trying to think, where.
Speaker 3: You know if you need, you can cast me. Baby.
Speaker 1: You've been my crush. It ain't been no secret a
Speaker 1: crazy time. Then I see it for the first time.
Speaker 1: I'm with my wife. We're wearing a whole nother curntry.
Speaker 1: Uh Croatia she walked. I'm like, how you just come
Speaker 1: to Croatia.
Speaker 3: I ain't seen nothing. This is my question. Wait wait
Speaker 3: who Regina Hall?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah Regina, And she just walks in we're creating
Speaker 1: my time and say you bet not turn around.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just seeing it. I just want to
Speaker 3: see if Matt was talking to her, because I know
Speaker 3: Matt Nor.
Speaker 1: And Matt was he did she didn't go speak to
Speaker 1: mass so I got off Regina. She walked, I lost
Speaker 1: my jaw dropped.
Speaker 2: Hers and yeah, she gonna walk right back like that
Speaker 2: in Croatia all plays.
Speaker 3: Yeah man, yeah.
Speaker 2: The hall past to speak.
Speaker 4: We gonna do a movie called a movie called Also,
Speaker 4: We're gonna do a movie.
Speaker 5: I think Jane Kennedy also really like. I like Jane
Speaker 5: Kennedy Young. I like that Apolonia, right.
Speaker 3: Vanity, Apolonia?
Speaker 5: What's that?
Speaker 3: Wasn't nothing? That's our girl from last Dragon?
Speaker 1: Yes, huh many clown crazy.
Speaker 2: Beautiful and a baloney. Both of them was tough.
Speaker 5: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris had oh man, didn't he remember lamar Odom
Speaker 2: told a story about Prince one time that he did
Speaker 2: he went to the house and he did some kind
Speaker 2: of performance and and La Mar said he almost his
Speaker 2: wrist almost went limp just looking at Prince. I said, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: that's too much information.
Speaker 3: But here you way too man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't in those words. But go ahead, yeah,
Speaker 2: finish it off. Yeah, I feel you threw me off
Speaker 2: question PM right, Yeah, finish them off.
Speaker 5: If you could see.
Speaker 1: One guest on our show, because we know you're a
Speaker 1: big support of our show, who would it be?
Speaker 3: But you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 5: Done deal, killed deal.
Speaker 6: I love this ship, no say, because only y'all could
Speaker 6: really funk with him.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump second persons said that I think we should bro.
Speaker 3: We might. I might need because I got a lot
Speaker 3: of ship going on. I might need some cases. I
Speaker 3: got Mama's on the line like that. I might need, bro. Man,
Speaker 3: I ain't y'all.
Speaker 2: It would be very interest conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be finally a very he wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to really duck and dodge.
Speaker 5: He wouldn't be able to do that. And that's the
Speaker 5: come with it I got.
Speaker 2: You know, I love having said that recently, Skip Bayless,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I gotta have a conversation, have y'all, have
Speaker 2: y'all had President Obama. He's on the way, he's coming here.
Speaker 5: He's y'all have fun with him. Well, oh, man, basketball Cat.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, man, not just for your time today,
Speaker 2: but just what you've done for the world. It's been
Speaker 2: a blessing, man, and we're happy to hear that you're
Speaker 2: in a good space and your family's good and you're
Speaker 2: going to continue for another twenty years at least. At
Speaker 2: least bro, blessing us with your presence. Man, So appreciate
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 3: Excited to see Yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 1: In that ghost form somewhere else, Yeah, somewhere said I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be the hit man in the back, chilling with
Speaker 1: my suit on.
Speaker 3: Yes, fucking balls up.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Gilly, Gilly might be competing with you trying
Speaker 5: to be there.
Speaker 3: That's my boy. We can do it together and no
Speaker 3: competition for all of us, Bro, Just keep it peat.
Speaker 2: We got some T shirts, but we definitely want to
Speaker 2: give you our first hard copy. Yeah, first hard cop
Speaker 2: was not in this joint. We appreciate you, man, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Second man, of course, yeah, this is what me.
Speaker 2: Second, the second you'll be in the second book. Second, Bro,
Speaker 2: Hopefully we cook another one up y'all.
Speaker 5: Bro, y'all cook. And speaking of cooking, I'm proud of you'all.
Speaker 2: Mari Hardwick. Man, you can catch this and all the
Speaker 2: I love you too, bro, this moment, all the Smoke
Speaker 2: Productions YouTube and the Draft Cleans network. Man, We'll see
Speaker 2: y'all next week.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm
Speaker 4: Mm hmmmm