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Use 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: that code. Well, hello there, and Happy Christmas Eve. That's 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: when this episode is dropping. I am recording on Tuesday, 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: est of us, right, so it's Grievance Day actually when 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm actually recording this, but you'll be hearing it for 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: the informal start of the Christmas holiday season with Christmas Eve. 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. I'm Chuck Todd another episode of 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. If I hadn't said that, get that away, 43 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's been I have had a blast 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: these last eight months. We got started, I believe on 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: April second was our first episode, and this has been 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: just such a joy. So I appreciate it. And you know, 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I've scratched itches that I've always wanted to scratch in 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: a semi public form, including all of the various sports 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: updates that I enjoyed doing. So let me give you 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: a rundown of this episode, a little bit of reaction 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: of some headlines over the last forty eight hours. I 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: want to get to a little bit on Epstein, a 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: little bit on the CBS Mets with sixty minutes, but 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: a sort of larger view of sort of taking a 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: step back and what has changed in our politics and 56 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: what actually hasn't changed in the last year, and I 57 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: want to go through that a little bit. I will 58 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: do some questions, we will have more mail bag that 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: you guys have just a lot of fun and smart questions, 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to do a little twist on 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: my little sports page here, a little bit which is frankly, 62 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: trying to help you have the conversation during the holidays 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: with the person that you don't want to talk about 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: current events with. But you figure, I got to be 65 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: a little smarter about sports, so you can have fun 66 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: little storylines where you can just ask a question and 67 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: let other people talk. But if it's a way to 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: sort of you know, how to change a conversation, how 69 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: to look more fluent in a sports conversation that maybe 70 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to remember, we're going to be We're 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: going to have some tremendous I mean, there's nothing I 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: love more than these next two weeks because on a 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: random Tuesday afternoon, you flip on ESPN and there's a 74 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: bowl game. So this is the part. As much as 75 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: these meaningless bowl games are becoming more meaningless all the time, 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: when you're at home with relatives and you need that 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: just traction of noise in your gatherings, there's nothing like 78 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: throwing a football game on. So even these bad Netflix 79 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: games that the NFL for Netflix, right, they'd like to 80 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: swap those out or get a refund for these, right, 81 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: since they barely had any playoff teams eventually in their matchups. 82 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: But so that's how I will orchestrate that sports update. 83 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: But let me just kick off a little bit with 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: this mess that is sixty minutes Barry Weiss and the 85 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: controversy around it. For me, this is a welcome to 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL moment for Barry Weiss. Look, she 87 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: is not the first news executive brought in to run 88 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: a television network who has no clue how television works. 89 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: And I say this not trying to take a shot 90 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: at her being snarky, but this is her inexperience as 91 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: a newsleader sort of to me shown through here from 92 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: what we know, first of all, understanding sort of the 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: intricacies of what it takes to put together a television piece. 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating. There was a little bit 95 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: of snobbery news snobbery, which is something that I used 96 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: to have until I got into the TV business. But 97 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: one of her critiques of the piece was that all 98 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: of this was reported in the New York Times, as 99 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: if if the New York Times reported it, you shouldn't 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: bother sharing it with the rest of the world. May 101 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: mean the whole point of why she started the free press, right. 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: The whole point of you know, is sort of we're 103 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: trying to broaden the aperture of news consumption in a 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: news consumption in America, right, not narrow it down. So, yes, 105 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: New York Times readers might have known this story, what 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: about everybody else? No offense to New York Times readers. 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I'm a subscriber. But it's a 108 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: very narrow set of Americans. It's a it's an influential 109 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: set of Americans. The New York Times has influence, and 110 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: there is a reminder that when The New York Times 111 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: reports something, eventually other news organizations are going to do 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: with their own version of the story and making a 113 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: putting as putting a story that appeared in the New 114 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: York Times, but put giving visual elements to it can 115 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: be sometimes more powerful than the original story itself. So 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: that critique really struck me as her not understanding what 117 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: her mission actually is at a news division. Right, Is 118 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: you there to broadly inform everybody that is there, or 119 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: are you there to make an assumption that people already 120 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: know certain things? And that to me is a bit 121 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: of a yellow flag on her news instincts. Now, she 122 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: may have just said that as part of an email 123 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: that she knew was to go public. Obviously, what doesn't 124 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: look good for her on this is the fact that 125 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: she missed four screenings of this piece and then weighed 126 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: in very late, basically less than forty eight hours than 127 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: when the piece was going to air. So oh, she 128 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of complaints from people inside the administration, 129 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: and there were a few complaints that she thought rank 130 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: pretty true, like hey, they didn't have a voice in 131 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the piece, or they didn't have this. And I think 132 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: she's right that it could use a voice. It certainly 133 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: would improve the piece. But when you come in that 134 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: late in the process, it certainly looks like you've let 135 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: outsiders manipulate the process, whether or not that's true, and 136 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: it's her timing of it. Now, So I think a 137 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: few things here. Let's take her at face value. I 138 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: don't think she wants to be seen as a political pawn. Okay, 139 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: So I have some of you may have a very 140 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: snarky view of her that she just wants to be 141 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: an apparatic. I don't believe that. I believe she thinks 142 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: she can do this better. What I do believe is 143 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: she does not understand how the television network works. She 144 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: may very well want to change how network television works 145 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: and how news gathering work. God bless her. Okay, I've 146 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: certainly had my share of inexperience. I dealt with my 147 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: share of inexperienced news executives. The ones that came in 148 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: and experienced, who wanted to who were good, actually spent 149 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: time trying to get to know parts of the news 150 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: division that they knew themselves they wanted to get rid of. 151 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: But you actually have to try to work and figure 152 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: out how they were. The bad news executives that I 153 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: dealt with, and I had quite a few of them, 154 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: I would say about half figured it out the right 155 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: way and half figured it out the wrong way. About 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: half of them came in thinking they already knew how 157 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: to do this, and they were going to come and 158 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: they were there to break eggs, and they weren't going 159 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: to bother worrying about institutional norms, etc. But you're going 160 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: to get pushback, right, You're going to get resistance when 161 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: you have a lot of particularly at a broadcast news 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: network where there's a lot of really smart, talented people 163 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: who frankly probably would be more qualified to run the 164 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: news division. But they're on personalities, and you know, they're 165 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: not just to be treated like actors in a sitcom. 166 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: And there's sort of two types of news executives I 167 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: came across. There was the news executive that assumed people 168 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: that were on air just read the reporting of other 169 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: people's work. And then there were those that actually respected 170 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: the fact that the people that could narrate a story 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: could also work a story behind the scenes as well. 172 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: And so this rings of somebody who just didn't fully 173 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: understand how the system worked. Now, this is where you 174 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: can't you have to you cannot discount the outside atmosphere 175 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: that was developing over the last month. You had President 176 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: Trump twice complain about sixty minutes pieces that he didn't like, 177 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: and he said the new owners haven't made a difference. 178 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: It was in some ways he when he said nice 179 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: things about the Netflix bid to acquire Warner Brothers, it 180 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: was almost implied he's mad at the Ellisons anyway, type 181 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: of mindset. So you have the fact that he's already 182 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: complained about two specific pieces, the Marjorie Taylor Green one 183 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: from a couple weeks ago, being the most prominent. Then 184 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: you have the situation where the Ellisons are desperate to 185 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: see if they can get their hands on all of 186 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers. They're trying to up their bid. They're trying 187 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: to make their access to government approval for their bid 188 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: as a sweetener to the Warner Brothers shareholders in order 189 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: to say, hey, look, Netflix is going to have a 190 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: harder time with this. Well, in order for that to happen, 191 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: they've got to appease this administration. So, whether this stuff 192 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,239 Speaker 1: is having an impact or not, there is a perception 193 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: that it is going to and there's certainly that perception 194 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: could turn into questions that come from Democrats in Congress. 195 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: The point is, a smart leader tries to get ahead 196 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: of this somebody who and I think I have no 197 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: doubt that Barry Wise is a smart person here, but 198 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: she just how do you not you know, there's really 199 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 1: only one program that CBS News is going to be 200 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: judged on as far as anybody is concerned, right, Critics 201 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: of CBS News, supporters of CBS News, critics of the President, 202 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: supporters of the president. It's sixty minutes, So how are 203 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: you not more involved in understanding every piece that they're 204 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: working on, so to weigh in as late as she 205 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: did to kill the peace just screams of outside interference 206 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: and the fact that she didn't see that coming. Either 207 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: maybe she did see that coming and she had no 208 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: choice in the matter, or she didn't see that coming 209 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: and she was a bit unprepared for the situation, which 210 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: would tell me that's a bit naive. Look, there's a 211 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: few things that you that I think are going to 212 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: be fair questions to Raith. Can she run CBS News 213 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: and the Free press at the same time? Is is 214 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: she over? I mean, this news is not a large 215 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: operation compared to NBC News. CBS News is a lot 216 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: a large operation compared to ABC News, it's a much 217 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: smaller operation. So, you know, so to me not being 218 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: able to be on top of what they're producing. They 219 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: don't have a twenty four hour news channel. Yes they 220 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: have a CBS Digital. But her not being on top 221 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: of this, you have to ask, is she distracted by 222 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: other stuff? Why hasn't she figuring this out? Why hasn't 223 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: Why didn't she know what was happening inside these stories 224 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: quickly and know the rhythm of it? So I think 225 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: it exposes Look, I think there's a there's plenty that 226 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: we don't know, but she is, you know, she is 227 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: now in a really rough position. She's lost the trust 228 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: of the journalists at the single most important institution inside 229 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: of CBS News in that's sixty minutes. Anything they do 230 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,479 Speaker 1: now is going to be seen through a political lens, 231 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: no matter what that they're appeasing one side. They're in 232 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: the worst of all worlds now, And you know, I 233 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: go back to to this simple inexperience, and that's what 234 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: this screams up. Look, I could there's a there's another 235 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: part of me that's could easily be celebrating this moment 236 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: once again, corporate owned, corporate owned media is going to 237 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: let you down. I did not think this was the case, 238 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: but this is now the case in the Trump era, 239 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: where these parent companies do not care whether their journalistic 240 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: institutions have credibility with the whitest swath of Americans or not. 241 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: That they only want to cater to one side politically, 242 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: and they want to be a part of essentially influencing 243 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: the country rather than reflecting and reporting on the country. 244 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a part of me that would love 245 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: to sit here and gloat and just say, look, this 246 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: is yet another reason you're going to have some skepticism 247 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: of this corporate owned media structure that we've seen. I 248 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: will be honest with you, I'm skeptical. I'm mostly impressed 249 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: with Washington Post reporting. I'm very skeptical of its editorial page. 250 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: It feels like it's been it is not an honest 251 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: editorial page, that it is essentially manipulated with a point 252 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: of view that the owner that somebody wants to appease 253 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: an owner or a piease somebody. You now are going 254 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: to have skepticism about what CBS News does. I already 255 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: know that there. We've already seen Disney do what it 256 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: did with the George Stephanoppolis situation, calling into question their 257 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: support of ABC News. We've seen what Comcast did with MSNBC, 258 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: trying to spin it out and get rid of it 259 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: and separating it out from NBC. You can look at 260 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: that through the prism of there just looking to a 261 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: p's and playcate the current administration. So we are we 262 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: are in a situation where all of these stories have 263 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: added to the public's distrust. And it's frustrating to me 264 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: because I many people look at me and still see 265 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: me as a quote member of so called mainstream media. 266 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: I promise you I I tried really hard. I spoke 267 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: out when I thought it was necessary. So I know 268 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: that moment that Sharon ALFONSI, you know, you make that decision. 269 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: It's not an easy decision because you're never you know, 270 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: her career is never going to be the same at CBS. 271 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see does she out last Barry Weiss 272 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: or does Berry Weis's outlast her? On that front, I 273 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: have no idea what her contract situation is or anything 274 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: like that, but ultimately, executives don't like to be shown 275 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: up by their employees, and so eventually that's you know, 276 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you feel the 277 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: need to stick up for the journalists and the organization. 278 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: And this is what makes when you're a publicly traded 279 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: company owning a journalist journalistic institution, you have a choice 280 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: to make. Right are you going to stand by? Journalism 281 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: is not meant to be popular. I always say this, 282 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: journalists are not meant to be if you are doing 283 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: this to be popular. And this is why this whole, 284 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: in this whole algorithmic driven nature of our news consumption 285 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: really bothers me because it it sort of fuses popularity 286 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: with news consumption, which is a huge mistake for journalism. 287 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: If you're doing your journalism based on what you think 288 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: is going to be popular, you're not going to do 289 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: good journalism because you're going to be constantly worried about 290 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: what an audience thinks, either an audience of one in 291 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: the case of the White House, or a larger audience 292 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: in the case if you're a partisan news channel MS 293 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: NOW or Fox News, where you don't want to quote 294 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: alienate your viewers and alienate that the audience that you have. 295 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: I think this is a huge concern with you to influences. 296 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a huge concern with some substackers where 297 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: you have essentially audienced capture on this front. So, if 298 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: you're going to be in the journalistic space and you 299 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: want to be a journalist, grow a thick skin and 300 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: don't worry about being popular or not. Over time and honest, straightforward, 301 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: no bullshit talking journalists is going to accumulate trust. Trust 302 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: is more important than popularity. That I promise you trust 303 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: is more important popular. It's at the end of the day, 304 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: that's what I think about. I'd rather I'd rather tell 305 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: you honest information that make you feel good when I 306 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: don't think what you want to hear to feel good 307 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: is actually accurate, you know, do I want to present 308 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: it in such a way where it's easy to consume, 309 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: where it isn't doesn't feel like your own personal points 310 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: of view are being attacked when you're hearing information that 311 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: runs counter to your beliefs. Yes, I think there are 312 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: better ways to present information. I think there are more 313 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: detached ways to present information. I think one of the 314 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: things that we collectively didn't do well and we let hey, look, 315 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump can can make anybody emotionally, you know, go Jesus, 316 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: you know that. I don't know, but you got to 317 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: do your best sometimes to check yourself and try to 318 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: detach yourself from certain things, right if you really want 319 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: to be a referee like journalist, where you're just calling 320 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: it like you see it pure in something and at 321 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's what I'm doing here. 322 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm saying it. In some ways. If 323 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: you're in the independent space, you know nothing nothing like 324 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: the self destruction of more corporate owned media like CBS 325 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: News as being helpful to the to the cause. But 326 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you this, there's a reason why independent 327 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: media is growing the way it is growing, because I 328 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: think you have corporations that don't care about their news 329 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: divisions anymore. And at the end of the day, they 330 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: will use them if it helps them for their business, 331 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: and they will discard them the second they become they 332 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: interfere with their business. And look, I get it. 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You know, none of 373 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: us should be shocked that the Justice Department front loaded 374 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: all things build Clinton on day one and are going 375 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: to release whatever it is that might be damning to 376 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump much closer to Christmas. Okay, but look, everybody's 377 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: still pouring through it. This is you know, I have 378 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: my you know, I don't think I don't think this 379 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: is going to somehow change minds and what people believe 380 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: regarding Epstein, but I do think it what it has 381 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: done to create division inside the Trunk Coalition certainly makes 382 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: it extraordinarily politically relevant. But the fact that on Tuesday, 383 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: on Festivus Day, the airing of the grievance Day, the 384 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Justice Department put out the following statement after they released another, 385 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: and I'm just going to read it to you as 386 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: a whole, because it's the fact that the Department of 387 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: Justice put out this statement is both laughable and notable 388 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: here it is the Department of Justice is officially released 389 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: nearly thirty thousand more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. 390 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: Some of these documents contain untrue and cessationalist claims made 391 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right 392 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: before the twenty twenty election. To be clear that the 393 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: claims are unfounded and false, and if they had a 394 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against 395 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: President Trump already. Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the 396 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with 397 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: the legally required protections for Epstein's victims. The year began 398 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: with a huge opportunity for Trump on this runt Excuse me, No, 399 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: that was one other line that I had written for myself. 400 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: So there you have it. The Department of Justice put 401 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: out a statement that sounded like it came from Trump's 402 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: defense attorney. Oh wait, Trump's former defense attorney? Is it 403 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice as a deputy attorney general. The 404 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: point is there's a lot of today. The release on 405 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: Tuesday is a reminder that there's a lot more damaging 406 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: allegations and innu window and unant, so we say unresolved 407 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: what would you call them? Sort of unclear rationales for 408 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: why Donald Trump spent so much time with Jeffrey Epstein 409 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: on his plane and things like this, and the various 410 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: accusations that came with him. But it's interesting because think 411 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: about this. In theory, everything in that's been released should 412 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: fall under Hey, some of these documents contain untrue, in 413 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: cessationalist claims that made against President Clinton, some of them 414 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: made against Alan Dershowitz, against Prince Right. Not every allegation 415 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: made against any of these folks, not all of them 416 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: have been proven, but it's notable that they only single 417 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: out Donald Trump, which tells you it was a statement 418 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: for an audience of one. But in some ways the 419 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: note itself actually perhaps and maybe this was by design, 420 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: and maybe I'm naive on this one, but actually the 421 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: statement oddly says, Okay, today's the day you're going to 422 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: see a lot more Trump stuff, and it's not going 423 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: to be a great day for Donald Trump. But I 424 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: do think this is one of those stories that is 425 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: more of an obsession with people that are obsessed with 426 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: this story, and it's hard to imagine it's going to 427 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: change the larger narrative, but clearly it rattles Donald Trump. 428 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: And that brings me to before I get to the 429 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: conversation with Mike Pesco, where we sort of talk about 430 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I've already mentioned now, future 431 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: of journalism, independent media versus corporate owned media, things like that. 432 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: It sort of step back a little bit and think 433 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: about how the year began and think about the opportunity, 434 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: and it goes back to, you know, and why I 435 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: think this has been such a di astros year politically 436 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump and the Republicans because it began with 437 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: such an opportunity. He came into office within some ways, 438 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: more of a mandate than he had gotten in his 439 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: first election in twenty sixteen. He had extraordin there was 440 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: an extraordinarily unpopular president he was following. That's a big 441 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: difference in twenty sixteen, right, Barack Obama was a popular 442 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: president personally in some ways. Probably you know, he left 443 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: with a pretty high job rating and a pretty high 444 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: personal rating. This case, right, he's following a president with 445 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: a pretty low job rating in a pretty low personal rating. 446 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, the way Biden laughed really ugly. Just a 447 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: terrible last six months being pushed out of his office, 448 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: just looking weak, and then of course the return of 449 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. In some ways his fingerprints are as much 450 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: on Trump's ability to get back here than any other. 451 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: So the point was Trump came in with a huge opportunity, 452 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: sort of like Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty. You know, 453 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: people just found the Jimmy Carter presidency unpopular. They were 454 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: ready to turn the page. So the opportunity for a 455 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: honeymoon was big. And if you look at sort of frankly, 456 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden had the same opportunity. And it 457 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: is interesting to me that Donald Trump's second term and 458 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's one term in the first year of their 459 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: presidency pretty much are mirror images of each other. They 460 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: both had sort of one issue that sort of quickly 461 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: severed whatever mild hope voters, at least swing voters had 462 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: that the presidency could be somewhat successful. Right with Joe Biden, 463 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: it was the Afghanistan withdrawal, and for Donald Trump, it 464 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: was Liberation Day. And there's no doubt Liberation Day was 465 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: sort of the first hit. And he ever recovered from 466 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: Liberation Day because the economy didn't really the economy just 467 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: kept getting sort of uneven, and those that were not 468 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: doing well continued to not doing well. Those that were 469 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: doing well could continue to do well thanks to the 470 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: superinvestments of AI. So the opportunity Trump had at the 471 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: start of his term versus what he where he is now, 472 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: I think you should and at this point it becomes 473 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: it becomes hard to recover without sort of an outsized 474 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: event to sort of change the narrative. Right. And when 475 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: I say outside event, you know, to me, it's it's 476 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: outside even the broad brushes of what you might be predicting, right, 477 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: it's just something you know, out of the ordinary. The 478 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: way the pandemic hit that it was not on anybody's 479 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: bingo card, and it ended up exposing Trump's inability to 480 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: be a leader in a moment of crisis. And that, 481 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's it is why I think he he 482 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: lost that first reelection. So I think when you look 483 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: at sort of the big picture here, he really he 484 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: had an opportunity. He had an opportunity to solidify his 485 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: imprint on the conservative movement. He had a chance to 486 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: sort of keep Democrats sort of fraying. He could have 487 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: done some things that could have potentially splintered the Democratic coalition. 488 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: A good leader would have actually looked for Democrats. You know, 489 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: he had very small majorities, and he'd have tried to 490 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: find some Democratic allies more as an attempt to try 491 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: to splinter the party, you sort of break people off 492 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: to try to work with him, and he chose not 493 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: to do any of that right. Instead, he came in 494 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: a lot of retribution. It's clear that that was much 495 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: more front and center for him. The pardons, the naming 496 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: everything after himself, off, the bulldozing. I mean, in that sense, 497 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: he's he's made it really hard. He's made it really 498 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: hard to look at this as anything other than through 499 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: the prism of his own narcissism. And the irony is 500 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: that had he been sort of a leader with a vision, 501 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: had he cared about sort of building a Republican party 502 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: that could last beyond his years, he would have, i think, 503 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: be governed a lot differently. In the first six months, 504 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: how they you know, he was so anxious, and maybe 505 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: this has to do with him feeling that he waited 506 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: too long to do things in the first term, and 507 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's mortality getting to him and he's afraid that, 508 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't have a full four years. I 509 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but how he's gone about 510 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: this where he's obsessed with quickly putting his name on things, 511 00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: quickly being able to get notoriety, desk for a Nobel 512 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: Peace Prize, desperate to see his name associated with some 513 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: sort of legacy thing like putting you Right now, people 514 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: are up in arms about the renaming of the Kennedy 515 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: Center after him. Remember he did this with the US 516 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: Institute of Peace, a institute that he defunded and tried 517 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: to get rid of, but instead slapped his name on 518 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: it so that he could have the words peace and 519 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the same sentence. So when you look 520 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: at this year in total, and you look at him 521 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: with a job rating in the very low forties, rating 522 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: on the economy and the load to mid thirties, it 523 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: is a reminder that Donald Trump did not win the 524 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden lost 525 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, just like Joe Biden made 526 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: the mistake of believing he won in twenty twenty when 527 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: that was not the case. Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty, 528 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: just like Hillary Clinton lost in twenty sixteen. All right, obviously, 529 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: what do I mean by that? Well, the voter knew 530 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: who they didn't want as president, and the voters were 531 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: willing to roll the dice with an unknown or roll 532 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: the dice with what they thought was a known quantity 533 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: the second time. Right the first time, Hey, let's disrupt things. 534 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: We kind of know what a Hillary Clinton presidency is 535 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: going to look like. We have no idea what a 536 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: Trump president's going to look like. And we're kind of 537 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: in a cranky, grumpy mood. This economy kind of sucks. 538 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: I wish it were better. I don't like this. I 539 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: don't like that. I certainly don't want to return to 540 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: some sort of Clinton status quo. Okay, so you understood that. Well, 541 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: then incomes, you know, the pandemic happens. You're like, oh 542 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: my god, we're in a moment of crisis. This guy 543 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: can't make the trains run on time. And it was 544 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: just like, can you just give me a functional bureaucrat. 545 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden thirty plus years experience, seemed like that functional 546 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: democrat to just make sure we can get some COVID shots, 547 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: make sure we can, you know, keep our allies our allies, 548 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: and go from there, and now we see that that 549 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: was the case. So I do I think when you 550 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: see the political standing of the president, you see where 551 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: Democrats look like a resurgent party, because remember, this is 552 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: a party that's still very unpopular. This is a party 553 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: where swing voters don't really trust democratic leaders, don't really 554 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: trust even some democratic stances, particularly on some social issues. 555 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: But they don't like the party in power, right, they 556 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: don't like what they have, And so we have been voting, 557 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: I would argue since twenty nine, right, the last time 558 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: we voted for a president was Barack Obama in twenty 559 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: oh eight. Everything else has been more of a vote 560 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: against type of election. Twenty ten a vote against sort 561 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: of Democrats expanding the size of governments. Right, the Tea 562 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: Party surge got fired up that wing of the party. 563 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Republicans win the House, but it was a vote against, right, 564 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: it was a vote against the Democrats. Twenty twelve, many 565 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: ways was not an easy re election for Barack Obama 566 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: when you looked at the state of the economy, but 567 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: they did a successful job saying oh, yeah, you're not 568 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: going to want met Romney's economy. You're not going to 569 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: want Mett Romney deciding these policies, you're going to be 570 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: better off with Barack Obama policies, and he will bet 571 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Romney policies. And they painted him as an outsourcer, as 572 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: a guy in the pocket of China, and that played 573 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: well in the Midwest. It's also the last time Democrats 574 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: were able to carry Iowa, Ohio in addition to Michigan, Pennsylvania, 575 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Not a small deal. But again I look 576 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: at twenty twelve, not necessarily as a vote for but 577 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: really when you look at how he carried those Midwestern states, 578 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: he was not promoting himself. They were attack ads against 579 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: Mett Romney twenty fourteen. Another vote against election twenty sixteen, 580 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: Another vote against election twenty eighteen, another vote against election 581 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: right twenty twenty, another vote against election twenty twenty two 582 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: is the weird one where it was mostly an electorate 583 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: that wanted to put a check on Biden, but you 584 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: had an awful sort of slate of Republican candidates that 585 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: minimize the gains that they should have made. And now 586 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: it gave some false hope to Joe Biden. You had 587 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: a Biden White House that totally misinterpreted what happened in 588 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and fully not appreciating that that was 589 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: just a case of really bad, really bad Republican primary outcomes. 590 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: But it wasn't as if the country was saying no, no, no, no, no, 591 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: we want more Biden cow Bell. That was not what 592 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two was about. And of course now we 593 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: know twenty twenty four was a vote against elections. So 594 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: here we are again after one year of Trump where 595 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: he had an opportunity and I would argue he had 596 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: a you know, he you know, no honeymoon periods very 597 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: long anymore in American politics. The wear information ecosystem works. 598 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: But he had a good three months and Liberation Day 599 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: in April just destroyed any hope he had. And he's 600 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: been he's not really recovered from that moment. You know, 601 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: even the good economic news that he gets, like the 602 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: recent news about the GDP over the summer, when you 603 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: look at the details, you realize, oh, most Americans aren't 604 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: benefiting from that expanded GDP. It is really about the 605 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: investments in AI. So look, it certainly sets up what 606 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: appears to be another vote against election, which we could, 607 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, argue, now this will be we're going to 608 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: hit what is nearly twenty years of this, right, our 609 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: eighteenth year sort of our let's see here ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen, twenty, 610 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty four be our ninth straight national election 611 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: where basically the voters that decide who wins or loses, 612 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: not about the two bases, but those of us that 613 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: live in the messy middle. You're going essentially to the 614 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: polls with a with a vote against rather than something 615 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: to vote for, and that our collective I understand some 616 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: of you saying no, no, no, no, I always vote for 617 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: an individual candidate. Yeah, but it's binary choice. Right, Ultimately 618 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: we have a binary choice and that we're having our 619 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: night straight election where we're we've been living in this 620 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: a generation of a political recession. And you know I 621 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: would argue this, you know I can. I can make 622 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: the case this goes back really at least through even 623 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand, right, we were starting to see the 624 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: first pieces of this. So look, I want to spend 625 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: a little bit of next week. I'll have a I'm 626 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: gonna have a podcast. We're going to do another We're 627 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: going to this week with also a special edition. I'm 628 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: gonna you know, if it's if you haven't heard it. 629 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: It's new to you, as I used to say an NBC. 630 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna re up the Jasmine Crockett interview I 631 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: did a few months ago with a little bit of 632 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of Texas introduction to it later this week. 633 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: But next week I'll have another new episode and we'll 634 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: do a little bit of sort of where the two 635 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: parters are going. But I think, just briefly, what we're 636 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: watching I touched on it before. I do think we're 637 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: seeing Trump's coalition. As I've said for the last three 638 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: or four months, it is the coalition is cracking. The 639 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: cracks are showing. Now they're not just cracks anymore, right, 640 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: They're chasms in some cases. I think you're going to 641 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: see more of this. I think what we saw in 642 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 1: Heritage this is sort of this is going to show 643 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: itself up more in twenty eight than it is in 644 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: twenty six. I mean sure, I think you'll see some 645 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: hints of this divide inside the right in the Texas 646 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: Senate primary. You'll see some of this perhaps in the 647 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: Georgia Senate primary. But for the most part, Republicans have 648 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: avoided They're going to avoid some messy primary most of 649 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: this infighting is going to continue to take place online, 650 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: continue to take place in podcasts, and really start to 651 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: ramp up as the presidential candidates of twenty eight start 652 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: to start to rise, whether it's Cruise Pants Paul, all 653 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: three of them very much sort of coming at the 654 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: Mega coalition in different ways, each wanting a piece of it, 655 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: but very critical to some parts of it. Right, and 656 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: how that continues to splinter, I think is going to 657 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: be an animating force inside the Republican Party for the 658 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: next easily for the next two years. And I do 659 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: think you see that the online MAGA world, right, this 660 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: world of Eric Kirk, Megan Kelly, Ben Shapiro. You know 661 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: some of you that listen to this podcast, maybe you 662 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: know these names are familiar, you may see them online. 663 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: It strikes me as this is as I said in 664 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: an earlier podcast, that this is the right version of 665 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: the groups. Right, you have democratic politicians who were afraid 666 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: to sort of connect with voters in the middle because 667 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: they didn't want to alienate certain groups. I think it's 668 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: pretty clear the Biden White House in the first two 669 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: years totally mismanaged the border, put restraints on Ali Mayorcis, 670 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: and dhs from being able to do their job the 671 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: way they did it may Orcus did with Jay Johnson 672 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: during the second Trump second Obama term because they didn't 673 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: want to offend the groups when the voters, you know, 674 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: were the ones that were making this decision quote unquote, 675 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: not the groups. Right. Well, I think now you're seeing 676 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: something similar happen in magaworld, where they're where you have 677 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: Republicans seem to be more concerned about what's being set online, 678 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: who's saying it online, appeasing some online activists, rather than 679 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: actually talking to the voters. And I think that they 680 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: are detaching themselves from the mainstream of political debate by 681 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: being so consumed about what's being said at a turning 682 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: Point convention or what's being said in a make podcast 683 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: or any of this stuff. And like how the I 684 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: think the Democrats got consumed with appeasing progressive groups and 685 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: social justice groups at the expense of alienating swing voters 686 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: in the suburbs and the excerps. I think you're seeing 687 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: the same thing start to take place on the right. 688 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: But make no mistake, the Democrats also there's a chance 689 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: they're having their own tea party moment. And you know, 690 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: the twenty ten midterms for Republicans were a huge success 691 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: on the House side of things, but they came up 692 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: shortened Senate races because of their own infighting. They had 693 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: primary challenges. They had sort of this tea Party surge 694 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: which sort of was sort of mega before we were 695 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: calling it. MAGA was challenging the establishment wing of the 696 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: Republican Party, and it upset. You know, you had the 697 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: witch nominee, you know at one point, you had the 698 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: bad nominee in Indiana, You had the bad nominee in 699 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: Nevada against Harry Reid right now, and all those things 700 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: both in the ten cycle and the twelve cycle, which 701 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: held them back. You can't help but wonder if the 702 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: Democrats are going through the same thing that they have. 703 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, the quote, is there a liberal tea party 704 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: moment happening? Right It's a little cliche to say it 705 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: that way, but there's definitely something. There's something happening here 706 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: right The establishment of the Democratic Party doesn't have a 707 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: lot of credibility with Democratic voters right now, doesn't have 708 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: a lot of credibility with Democratic donors right now, and 709 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: that's leading to what appears to be some terrible primaries 710 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: that are probably going to nominate less electable nominees, whether 711 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: it's Texas Senate, Michigan Senate, Main Senate, those would be catastrophic, right, 712 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: And you could see Democrats end up in a similar 713 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: scenario situation that Republicans were in twenty ten. They win 714 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: a ton of seats in the House and actually come 715 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: up short in the Senate. You know, they only win, 716 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, only they come up one or two seats 717 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: short from winning the majority, just like Senate Republicans did 718 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:08,800 Speaker 1: in twenty ten. So, you know, it's interesting. Twenty twenty four, 719 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, sort of ended with a divided Democratic Party 720 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: and a more united Republican Party than we'd seen since 721 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of the Trump era. Twenty twenty five ends 722 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: still with a divided Democratic Party, though with a unifying 723 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: force that is Trump for the midterms, but the divisions 724 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: are still pretty pretty out. But you now have a 725 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: pretty divided Republican Party, and that is what we're dealing 726 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: with as we kick off for twenty twenty six. There's 727 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: actually a bunch of the other small things I wanted 728 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: to get to here, but you know what, I've gone 729 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: forty minutes here. It's Christmas Eve, and as I'm sure 730 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: some of you want to get back to your family, 731 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: others of you are out for that walk, taking a 732 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: few minutes with yourself going when is checking to get 733 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: to his college football up day. There's a reason results 734 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: matter more than promises, just like there's a reason Morgan 735 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: and Morgan is America's largest injury law firm. For the 736 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: last thirty five years, they've recovered twenty five billion dollars 737 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: for more than half a million clients. It includes cases 738 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: where insurance companies offered next to nothing, just hoping to 739 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: get away with paying as little as possible. Morgan and 740 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: Morgan fought back ended up winning millions. In fact, in Pennsylvania, 741 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: one client was awarded twenty six million dollars, which was 742 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: a staggering forty times the amount that the insurance company 743 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: originally offered. That original offer six hundred and fifty thousand 744 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: dollars twenty six million, six hundred fifty thousand dollars. So 745 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 1: with more than one thousand lawyers across the country, they 746 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: know how to deliver for everyday people. If you're injured, 747 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: you need a lawyer, You need somebody to get your back, 748 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: check out for the people dot Com, Slash podcast or 749 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: dial Pound Law Pound five to nine Law on your 750 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 1: cell phone. And remember all law firms are not the same. 751 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: So check out Morgan and Morgan. Their fee is free 752 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: unless they win. There was some breaking news while I 753 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: was taping my monologue that I missed, and he put 754 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: out the following tweet, and he was very excited. I was. 755 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,479 Speaker 1: I was taping before the CBS heirs the Kennedy Center. 756 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: Excuse me, the Trump Kennedy Center Honors. Right, I'm sure 757 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: we'll hear plenty of jokes And in fact, Trump tweeted 758 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: the following on Tuesday, on Festivus Day before Christmas Eve. 759 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: The Trump Kennedy Center Honors is what he called it. 760 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: The Trump Kennedy Center Honors will be broadcast tonight on 761 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: CBS in stream on Paramount plus gen A at APM Eastern. 762 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: At the request of the board and just about everybody 763 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: else in America, I am hosting the event. Tell me 764 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: what you think of my master of ceremony that's in 765 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: quotes abilities If really good, would you like me to 766 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: leave the presidency in order to make hosting a full 767 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: time job. We will be honoring true greats in the 768 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,919 Speaker 1: history of entertainment, So Wester Sloan, Michael Crawford, Kiss, George Straight, 769 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 1: and Gloria Gainer. So is this the soft launch for 770 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: Trump's resignation strategy? From the president? You didn't get to 771 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: kick me out. I left on my own terms. You know, 772 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: here's the irony Donald Trump as dinner party host, Donald 773 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: Trump as sort of the roast maaster, if you will, 774 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: to take the place during those old Comedy Central rows. 775 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: That's kind of what America wanted out of Donald Trump. 776 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: I don't think. I think now it's fair to say 777 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: most of America did we really want this guy as president? 778 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: Or did we just want this guy to be sort 779 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: of not even necessarily the MC of the Center Ring, 780 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: of the three Ring circus. We just kind of wanted 781 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: to tune into him every once in a while because 782 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: he was kind of amusing, and he was kind of strange, 783 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: and he was kind of outlandish and sort of all 784 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: of those things. And a little bit of Donald Trump 785 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: was amusing and a lot of Donald Trump is exhausting. Right, 786 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: So we know he's not totally serious about this, but 787 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, in his own weird way, he probably realizes 788 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: even his haters are going to say yes, please go 789 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,919 Speaker 1: be a host, Go leave the presidency to be a host, 790 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,240 Speaker 1: and then he will take that and say people loved 791 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: all of my hosting. Any all right, let's get to 792 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: some questions, ask Chuck. And by the way, next week 793 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do. That's forty minutes of questions. 794 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tackle that much of my mail bag to 795 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: try to clear it out from the year. But in 796 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:42,240 Speaker 1: the meantime, let's slip in a few. All right, first question, 797 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: it comes from Michael Dallas, Texas. Helped you found some 798 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: good barbecue in College Station. When you're in Dallas for 799 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl. Check up barbecue spotch Hutchins and PQ 800 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: and Lodge. I did do PQN Lodge and it is great. 801 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: That is great. There's it is hard to find bad 802 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: barbecue in Dallas. I'm sure it exists. But even the 803 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: bad barbecue place is are good compared to almost any 804 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,240 Speaker 1: other city outside of Texas. So but Peak and Lodge, 805 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: I had forgotten the name of it. Thank you for reminument. 806 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: And then he asked this. This twenty twenty eight gets closer 807 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: by the day. As of late December twenty twenty five. 808 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: What wing of the party do you do you believe 809 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: the Republican Party will lean towards Will it embrace someone 810 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: from the Romney Bush era I e. Rubio, or will 811 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: it be a Trump air parent I advanced have a 812 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: hold over the voter. Keep up the good content. Thanks 813 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: Michael Dallas, Texas. I think if you look look take 814 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: the law, I just look at it. Let's just look 815 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: at sort of post World War Two history of two 816 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: term presidents. Right, Eisenhower's vice president was the Republican nominee 817 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: in sixty You have lbj's vice president, Hubert Humphrey was 818 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee in sixty eight. Ronald Reagan's vice president 819 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:03,760 Speaker 1: was the nominee in nineteen eighty eight. Now, the one 820 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: time where the party literally went further away from the 821 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: outgoing sitting president is arguably John McCain in Oa from 822 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: George W. Bush. Right, there was nobody really running as 823 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: the Bush air a parent. Now, McCain was the guy 824 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: that finished second to Bush in two thousand, so in 825 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 1: some ways was following the traditional Republican pattern of who 826 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: finished second get this nomination. The next time we saw 827 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: it with Bob Dole after Bush We saw it with 828 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: Bush after Reagan, We saw it with Reagan after Ford. 829 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: You get my drift. But you could argue that the 830 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: nomination of McCain was a way of Republican primary voters 831 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: going no, no, we're looking for something different too. We want 832 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: to we want to turn the page on on Bush. 833 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't think with the with as much as I 834 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: think that there is an appetite for it within a 835 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: good chunk of the Republican Party. Right. We've seen, you know, 836 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: the move Mike Pence, pretty bold move Mike Pence made 837 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: to sort of stake his claim. And I think what 838 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,399 Speaker 1: I still think those I still think Mike pen sees 839 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: himself as a person who can bridge the old Romney 840 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: Bush wing of the party with the new Trump Maga 841 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,720 Speaker 1: wing of the party. I still think Penn sees himself 842 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: is a better bridge to that than say a Marco Rubio. 843 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: But the most likely result is Trump's heir, Trump's VP, 844 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: and something nominee. Right it is, It is very hard 845 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 1: to deny a sitting vice president nomination. Hubert Humphrey wasn't 846 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,400 Speaker 1: denied at al Gore wasn't denied at Kamala Harrison her 847 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,759 Speaker 1: own odd way wasn't denied at George H. W. Bush 848 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: wasn't tonight. It doesn't mean they don't have to work 849 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,839 Speaker 1: for it. They got a Walter Mondale even as an 850 00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: ex VP, right, it gets it. It is just very difficult. 851 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: They when you think about how state parties are sort 852 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: of filled with loyalists, you know you're going to have 853 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's not like, you know, look who runs 854 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: the state Republican parties right now. There's not many people 855 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: from the Romney Bush wing of the party sort of 856 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: in charge anymore anywhere. So I don't know where you 857 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: would get a base of support to actually win a 858 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 1: majority of Republican primary voters to pull this off. You'd 859 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: need it, you know. McCain pulled it off because there 860 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: really wasn't a consolidated conservative to stop him. I mean, 861 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: had Romney, had Romney been a more trusted conservative in OA, right, 862 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 1: and he just wasn't yet he was the guy still 863 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 1: four years frankly, only two years removed from from Romney Care, 864 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: only two years removed from flipping on the abortion issue 865 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 1: as he left the Massachusetts governorship, So he wasn't. He 866 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: couldn't solidate conservatives completely. So there the sort of the 867 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: social Conservatives were splintered. The sort of or Bush Ryan 868 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: wing of the party was kind of splintered, and it 869 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,279 Speaker 1: gave a room for McCain. Look, it's possible, right, but 870 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,919 Speaker 1: the more probable outcome is that you know, Vance gets it, 871 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: and you know, look, you I'd rather be the Democrats 872 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: in twenty eight than Vance, but every nomination's worth having 873 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: because the Democrats could end up nominating someone who's less 874 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: selectable than Jade Vance's. But I think Vance's it's interesting 875 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: that what he did over the weekend in his decision 876 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: not to you know, he he will not condemn hateful 877 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 1: rhetoric on the right. He goes out of his way 878 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 1: to appease or apologize. If somebody on the left says 879 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: something hateful, they should be ostracized from their job society. 880 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,879 Speaker 1: When some of the are right does it, Oh, they're 881 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,839 Speaker 1: just kids. Nobody should be judged by one thing they do. 882 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: He is really and this is why I think he's 883 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: going to be somebody who appears to spend too much 884 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 1: time online and not enough time in the real world. 885 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,720 Speaker 1: This is a guy that needs to touch Republican grass roots, 886 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 1: not just Republican Internet grasstops. So I'm skeptical of him, 887 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 1: but he has to be considered the heavy favorite, and 888 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 1: he already has some institutional advantages that others are just 889 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 1: not going to have, and frankly having turning point as 890 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: an organization, which right now will certainly be a financial juggernaut. 891 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: We'll see how influential it can remain if it is 892 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: as influential in two years as it feels like it 893 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,240 Speaker 1: could be now. But he's already beginning there. It's hard 894 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: to see another wing of the party winning in twenty eight. Now. 895 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: If Vance does not when the presidency in twenty eight, 896 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,399 Speaker 1: then the twenty thirty midterms are going to be something else. 897 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: Then you're going to have they may look what we're 898 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 1: watching with the Democrats right now in twenty six, which 899 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: is we're getting a preview of the fight in twenty 900 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: eight between essentially fighter unite. You know, what kind of 901 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: Democratic party should Democratic nominee? Should they have a fighter 902 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,760 Speaker 1: or somebody that's going to try to bring the country 903 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,800 Speaker 1: together or a united Right now, the grassroots of the 904 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,799 Speaker 1: Democratic Party wants a fighter, right and I think that 905 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: you'll have some of those same Well, you'll have some 906 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: of this same sort of intra party fighting and thirty 907 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: especially if fans loses. All right, next question comes from 908 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: Travis and see, hey Chuck, hope you're enjoying the holiday season. 909 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: I really say, had a VID dream where I dropped 910 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 1: a college class only to run into you as the professor. 911 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: You gave me a our time, and it's stuck with me. 912 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: Oh good, Look, I will share the syllabates. It's called 913 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,160 Speaker 1: how Washington Works, so I'll give you an idea of what. 914 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,840 Speaker 1: So basically, it's the class called How Washington Works. I 915 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 1: have two assignments. You know, everybody that participates in this 916 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,600 Speaker 1: class has a full time job, all right, so we 917 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: meet once a week. This is a special us USC program. 918 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,320 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Essentially, instead of spending a semester 919 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: abroad at USC, you spend a semester in d C. 920 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,799 Speaker 1: You get a full time job. You work nine to five, 921 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: and then at six o'clock you have a class Monday 922 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,799 Speaker 1: through Thursday. I am the Thursday class, right, I am 923 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: the last class before the start of their weekend. Though 924 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: they do have to work Friday, usually on Fridays. So 925 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: I say that, and I am I am mindful that 926 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: this is they're there to they're there to learn. I 927 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,399 Speaker 1: am not beating them up over assignments, though I do 928 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 1: make them. There are two assignments, a midterm and a 929 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 1: final that I do expect them to do. But essentially 930 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: what I do is I have a variety of speakers. 931 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: You know, I've I've had John Kasik, I've had Mark Short, 932 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: I've had Brendan buck on the Republican side, Jake Letturner, 933 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: I've had Jeff Science, I've had near a Tandent, I've 934 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,959 Speaker 1: had Debbie Dingle. So I try to have a good 935 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: balance of I try to. I want to have a 936 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: couple of lobbyists, including those that lobby from the right 937 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: for the excuse me, from industry and those that lobby 938 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: from activist groups so people can get an understanding how 939 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: both types of lobbying work. Again, I view the classes actually, 940 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,399 Speaker 1: what the intent is, how Washington works, and my joke 941 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: is doesn't work for everybody. It's always working for somebody, 942 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: and yes, this year it's going to change and how 943 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 1: it works. And then I you know the assignment I do. 944 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 1: I do this last time, I offered a choice of 945 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: books to read during the midterm that I think best 946 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: and in fact I posted some of those books, but 947 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: I think that best sort of helped explain why we're 948 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: in the political moment we're in, So you know, I 949 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 1: had I've assigned the McKay coppin's book on Romney and 950 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,360 Speaker 1: sort of that campaign from twenty twelve and sort of 951 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: Romney's view of sort of how the party went from 952 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 1: his wing of the party to the Maga wing of 953 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: the party. I think it's an incredibly insightful book on 954 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: that front. The Wolves of k Street by Brody and 955 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: Luke Mullins, their brothers, their investigative reporters. I think it's 956 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: the currently the new best sort of guide to how 957 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 1: lobbying and Washington works these days? Where have all the 958 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: Democrats gone? Which is a roy to share a book 959 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: about sort of how the Democratic coalition shifted from the 960 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: Obama era to what it is today. All of it 961 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: is designed so that I think these are books that 962 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: best explain how we're in the situation that the current 963 00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: political electorate is in. I am not do you actually 964 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: stay away from assigning books that how to quote and 965 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,240 Speaker 1: make it better. I want people to understand where we are, 966 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,440 Speaker 1: and then their final exam is their way of making 967 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 1: one thing work better? What what's a way to if 968 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: there's something in Washington doesn't work right, how would you 969 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: change it? Is it through the power of Congress? Is 970 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 1: it through the power of the executive? Is it through 971 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: outside influence? Is it through small d democratic reforms? So 972 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,560 Speaker 1: it's a mix of guest speakers who have had real 973 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: world experience, because everybody that's in this class is somebody 974 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 1: that is that is animated about public service that's a 975 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: little bit different than the average person. I would say, 976 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,840 Speaker 1: in my two years of teaching this class, half of 977 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 1: them want to run for office someday, and so I 978 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,600 Speaker 1: want to give them speakers that have done it themselves 979 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,600 Speaker 1: the ups. I mean, John Ksa came in here and said, 980 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: don't run for office in your twenties, which is exactly 981 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: what John Kaysack did. He basically admitted that for the 982 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: first thirty first ten years of his political career he 983 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: did not have enough life experience to be a good 984 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: public servant. And he said, I didn't know that then. 985 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: You know thirty five forty years later, you know that now. 986 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 1: It is the tyranny of wisdom of the middle aged. 987 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: We all realize once we hit our fifties and sixties, 988 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: all the mistakes we made in our twenties and thirties, 989 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: and we're desperate to convince others in their twenties and 990 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,640 Speaker 1: thirties not to make these mistakes, and most of you 991 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: never listen. We are at peak wisdom in our fifties 992 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: and sixties, which is why probably all of our presidents 993 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: should be in their fifties and sixties, and we shouldn't 994 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 1: let anybody seventy plus be president. That is, that's my 995 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 1: age cutoff on there, because I do think peak wisdom 996 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: is somewhere in your fifties and sixties. And perhaps I 997 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 1: say that out of necessity since I'm in my mid fifties. 998 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 1: But that is and discussing the current events, I always 999 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: spend about It's a three hour class, so I spent 1000 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: about the first twenty or thirty minutes just discussing what 1001 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: happened that week and sort of I also explained the 1002 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: new cycle a little bit. But they take a separate 1003 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 1: media class. Mine is very much more of how the 1004 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: institutions within Washington wor was, with a little bit of 1005 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: the influence of the press. But they have a separate 1006 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,520 Speaker 1: class on that is that is fully devoted, fully devoted 1007 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,040 Speaker 1: to that. So I hope that gave you an idea 1008 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: of what class with me. So come on over to 1009 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 1: USC Dornsife. But it's anybody is eligible for this class 1010 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,120 Speaker 1: if you take if you get involved in this DC program. 1011 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: So there you go. All right, next question, U. I 1012 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,120 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make this the last question because I 1013 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 1: went long on that other one. I'm gonna do three more. 1014 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,520 Speaker 1: These are all good because I can be quick. All right. 1015 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:51,680 Speaker 1: First one comes from Dan Pinehurst, North Carolina. Ah, I 1016 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 1: did a Pinehurst Boys trip once. I loved it. I 1017 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: loved it. We did three courses. It was amazing. I 1018 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 1: don't think I've golf since then, but it was awesome. Heinherst, 1019 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,360 Speaker 1: what a great pace, Lieutenant Colonel retired Lieutenant Colonel Dan. 1020 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,400 Speaker 1: Lucky you that Pinehurst golf courses are your backyard, and 1021 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: he goes, hey, I really enjoyed your take on how 1022 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: we mismanaged the end of history after the fall of 1023 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Made me wonder how might things have 1024 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: played out differently At Bush forty wanted one a second term, 1025 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: with the administration's strong national security team and less political 1026 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: pressure to catch in the peace dividend. Could a Marshall 1027 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,439 Speaker 1: Plan style approach for Russia and Eastern Europe have worked 1028 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 1: better than the short term thinking we saw in the nineties. 1029 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for all the great programming, and go Clemson this weekend. Yeah, 1030 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,919 Speaker 1: it's a it's a good matchup on paper. You're like, boy, 1031 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: that would be a better game, right, I think it's 1032 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Clemson Penn State. Be better if it were game one 1033 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,600 Speaker 1: of the year and my recalibrated schedule of making all 1034 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: the bowl games happen actually as preseason game one of 1035 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 1: the following season. You know, that's an interesting one. If 1036 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: on George H. W. Bush, I think you're right. I 1037 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 1: think it would have been a very foreign policy have 1038 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: second term where Bill Clinton won on domestic issue, so 1039 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: he did make it all that so it you know, 1040 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 1: in some ways though I don't think you know, remember 1041 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 1: Clinton kept a lot he kept Colin Powell's national security advisor. 1042 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: No excuse me as chairman of the Joint Chiefs. My 1043 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 1: mistake there and in and in some ways even though 1044 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,720 Speaker 1: he had democratic you know, players from the foreign policy community, 1045 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,440 Speaker 1: they were really of the Cold War uniparty, if you will, right, 1046 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Warren Christopher, I would argue was that Tony Lake and 1047 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: then later Sandy Berger On the national security side, I 1048 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 1: would argue, was that Al Gore as a vice president. 1049 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Remember he was basically the Washington hand for for the 1050 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 1: inexperienced Arkansas in Bill Clinton. So, I you know, I 1051 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: don't want to I don't know if our foreign policy 1052 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 1: would have changed that much, but I do agree with 1053 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,720 Speaker 1: you the emphasis might have been different. There may have 1054 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: been a more methodical approach that Bush and Baker would 1055 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 1: have had. I mean, essentially, what you're saying is, what 1056 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: if Jim Baker had been running things here right in 1057 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: helping democracy in Eastern Europe. Maybe it's not a it's 1058 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 1: it's an interesting what if that I'd like to put 1059 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,360 Speaker 1: a little more of my own efforts into. I need 1060 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: to familiar I need to go back. And there's a 1061 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,360 Speaker 1: great Jim Baker memoir not a memoir, excuse me, a 1062 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,080 Speaker 1: biography that was written by my friends Peter Baker and 1063 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Susan Glasser. It had some cooperation from Baker. It is 1064 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: a really look. I think Jim Baker's Jim Baker and 1065 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Leon Panetta are probably the two great equally the greatest 1066 01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:59,520 Speaker 1: Republican and greatest democratic public servants that weren't the best politicians, right. 1067 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I think Bakker ran and lost a state ag race 1068 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,840 Speaker 1: in Texas. Lean Panetta obviously was a member of Congress, 1069 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 1: wanted to run for governor, never could find a way 1070 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: to do it. But boy, they were really good at 1071 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,560 Speaker 1: they they they were They had a politician's eye with 1072 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,400 Speaker 1: a with sort of CEO capabilities, kind of like Cheney, 1073 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they knew how not all all 1074 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: politicians want to run an institution, know how to actually 1075 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 1: have employees. You get the sense of Panetta and Baker did, 1076 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 1: and this is why they were sort of the super 1077 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,760 Speaker 1: staffers of their era. One one on the D side, 1078 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: one on the R side. But I almost needed we'd 1079 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,680 Speaker 1: want to go back and reread the Baker books, both 1080 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,480 Speaker 1: his and then the one he cooperated with with Glassner 1081 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 1: uh And and Peter Baker. No relation by the way, 1082 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 1: to sort of answer that question fully. But but there's 1083 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 1: no doubt they're needed. We we we. It is clear 1084 01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: we rushed through the democratization of the former Soviet republ 1085 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: Blootz and really screwed and it was really divving up industry. 1086 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Is ended up creating the oligarchs and in that sense, 1087 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 1: I think you could say we had a hand in 1088 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,400 Speaker 1: creating the oligarchy that now essentially runs too much of 1089 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,560 Speaker 1: Russia and much of and many of the former Soviet 1090 01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:25,480 Speaker 1: republics on that front. So great question. Next one today 1091 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 1: comes from Gavin Brady. Loved your deep dive and how 1092 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,440 Speaker 1: post World War One decisions still shape global politics today. 1093 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,720 Speaker 1: Such an overlook part of history. The way Western powers 1094 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: readrew borders in the Middle East continues to have serious repercussions, 1095 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 1: yet it's barely discussed. You've talked a lot about media decline, 1096 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,880 Speaker 1: but how do we address the erosion of historical education 1097 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: and understanding? It feels essential for making sense of modern challenges. 1098 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Gavin Brady, Brisbane, Australia. This is my frustration, right we look, 1099 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 1: I imagine you know Australia, world history is certainly taught 1100 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: through the prism of Australia, just like world history is 1101 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 1: taught through the prism of America in American schools, et cetera. 1102 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 1: But I think we do There's no doubt we have 1103 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 1: done a poor We don't teach, we don't think about 1104 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,400 Speaker 1: creating historical curriculums through the prism of today's issues. Right, 1105 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 1: So if you were to create a curriculum on history, 1106 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,520 Speaker 1: and I almost wonder if there's a class to be 1107 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 1: made which is current the history of current events. Okay, 1108 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 1: I need to come up with a better class of that. 1109 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,880 Speaker 1: But so that Okay, the Middle East is in the news, 1110 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: let's teach history of the Middle East to understand that, right, 1111 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,919 Speaker 1: And it seems like a simple thing to do. Here's 1112 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,280 Speaker 1: the context, uh, and we go, But that's really what's 1113 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:53,320 Speaker 1: missing in our curriculum. We probably would be in this 1114 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,800 Speaker 1: and I think this is what's look the politicizing of 1115 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: of of education curriculums, particularly in middle schools and high schools, 1116 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 1: is a real problem when everybody wants their point of 1117 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: view reinforced in how history is taught, rather than just 1118 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 1: getting people more knowledgeable. I mean, when you look at 1119 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,160 Speaker 1: how many times we've been drawn into a hot conflict 1120 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, and how little in high school 1121 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: we spend in history classes teaching how World War One 1122 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: created this mess in the fall of the Ottoman Empire, 1123 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,200 Speaker 1: it seems to be kind of messed up when we 1124 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, today sixteen and seventeen year olds may end 1125 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,560 Speaker 1: up fighting a war in the Middle East. May end 1126 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 1: up fighting a war in China. What do we teach 1127 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: about Taiwan? What do we teach about the rise of 1128 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,960 Speaker 1: communist China? You know, we're teroh you want to talk 1129 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,600 Speaker 1: about you know, I complain about our lack of of 1130 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,440 Speaker 1: how we just gloss over World War One and just 1131 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,600 Speaker 1: teach it through the prison of War War two? What 1132 01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing about your own For those of you, 1133 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,600 Speaker 1: ask yourself how well you feel like you were educated 1134 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:08,200 Speaker 1: about China? Say pre mao, okay, And even then, you know, 1135 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: we we we do a little bit of mao, right, 1136 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,080 Speaker 1: but it's really quickly there's a Nixon goes to China, YadA, YadA, YadA. 1137 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: We kind of kind of fight China a little bit 1138 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 1: during the Korean War. There's some normalization with then chaoping, YadA, 1139 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: YadA YadA. Then there's the Olympics, and you know, we 1140 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:31,919 Speaker 1: don't really teach the history of China and Asia in general. 1141 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,559 Speaker 1: And yet I could argue the twenty first you know, 1142 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:41,840 Speaker 1: if the twentieth century was all about, uh, sort of 1143 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:47,800 Speaker 1: the re it was all about sort of the I 1144 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 1: guess you could call it the dish, the de empiring 1145 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 1: of Europe, right, Europe was sort of nothing but a 1146 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,360 Speaker 1: series of sort of of empires trying to control it 1147 01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: in some form or another. And the twentieth century was 1148 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,760 Speaker 1: sort of an attempt to put an end to that, right, 1149 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 1: and it's sort of and it did. I think the 1150 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,439 Speaker 1: twenty first century is going to be all about sort 1151 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: of reshaping the power structures in Asia, and yet our 1152 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:20,599 Speaker 1: education system does very little in making sure we're fairly 1153 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,800 Speaker 1: informed about the history of Asian civilizations, of Asian governments 1154 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,519 Speaker 1: of China in particular. So yeah, we need to think 1155 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: about our history. Curriculums should be tied to active current events, 1156 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 1: you know, and sort of within a ten year period 1157 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: in order because frankly, if students, I know, I got 1158 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,559 Speaker 1: more animated about something, if I learned something and then 1159 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,160 Speaker 1: I saw something related to it in the paper or 1160 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,719 Speaker 1: you related to it in the current events, it actually 1161 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,760 Speaker 1: sunk in more. So it would just be better teaching. Look, 1162 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,679 Speaker 1: the best teachers figure this out. Now. I remember having 1163 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,519 Speaker 1: a great government teacher who was who did this really well. 1164 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,120 Speaker 1: But the best teachers figure that out, all right, last 1165 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,519 Speaker 1: question for today before I get to my sports viewing 1166 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,680 Speaker 1: guide slash conversation starters for you, per your suggestion, I 1167 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,680 Speaker 1: watched Death by Lightning. I enjoyed it, but found it 1168 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,800 Speaker 1: too short. So I read the book. I kept rolling 1169 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: my eyes at how often it mentioned national unity around Garfield. 1170 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,559 Speaker 1: Made me sad to realize, I can't imagine that kind 1171 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,000 Speaker 1: of unity today. Was the country really that united in 1172 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,200 Speaker 1: grief and anger over his assassination? Or did the author 1173 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,479 Speaker 1: take some license loving the podcast? So just a reminder 1174 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,400 Speaker 1: there are other sports besides college football. In baseball, Melanie, 1175 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,760 Speaker 1: I hear you, and I've got plenty of baseball takes. 1176 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,479 Speaker 1: They're coming. This is just the heart of college football season. 1177 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,120 Speaker 1: Trust me. Pictures and catchers report, what do we act? Like? 1178 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: Less than ten weeks? So I'm there, right, pictures and 1179 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,720 Speaker 1: catchers are I think we're like eight weeks away? I 1180 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:55,840 Speaker 1: got you, Melanie, don't worry. So can I Can I 1181 01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,840 Speaker 1: recommend another book that I think would because I, you know, 1182 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,080 Speaker 1: do I think there was definitely real unity around Garfield? 1183 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,280 Speaker 1: Because think about this? Okay, what I think? What? What 1184 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 1: the what? The movie did a terrible with the mini 1185 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:16,599 Speaker 1: series terrible. I'm too strong. I just I was glad 1186 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,679 Speaker 1: it was done, and it's so disappointed in the execution. Okay, 1187 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,000 Speaker 1: because I thought it was short, gave short shrift to 1188 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,680 Speaker 1: too many things. But there were two aspects to the 1189 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,559 Speaker 1: story that the Death by Lightning, as the mini series 1190 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,760 Speaker 1: just never really did a good job of showcasing. One 1191 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,320 Speaker 1: was the fact that he gets shot, he lives for months. 1192 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,800 Speaker 1: So that's why there was this sort of national think 1193 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,960 Speaker 1: about it. Okay, there was. This was what's the latest 1194 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,879 Speaker 1: on the president? You know, is he running the country 1195 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,080 Speaker 1: or not? Like, how does it? So there was it 1196 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,000 Speaker 1: did become a national obsession. And while he's still alive, 1197 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,000 Speaker 1: we have the trial of Gauteau, and the trial was 1198 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,040 Speaker 1: the first trial of the century that everybody paid attention 1199 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,080 Speaker 1: to and in d C. Just to get a ticket 1200 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,880 Speaker 1: to attend the trial was like a was a big 1201 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,519 Speaker 1: deal in society. People wanted to be able to say, oh, 1202 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,400 Speaker 1: I was at the Gaito trial today, I saw him 1203 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,840 Speaker 1: go crazy again today. I don't think it captured sort 1204 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,240 Speaker 1: of that aspect of it. So it I think in 1205 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,760 Speaker 1: the book and sort of Destiny of the Republic, which 1206 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 1: is what Death by Lightning's based on. Technically, this other 1207 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,639 Speaker 1: Garfield book is called Dark Horse, written by a Senate 1208 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,840 Speaker 1: staffer some twenty five years ago, but very you know, 1209 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,160 Speaker 1: I like the more detail it goes into the Republican 1210 01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,280 Speaker 1: Convention gives you a lot more on that, which is 1211 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,960 Speaker 1: a political junkie. I just love and I do always 1212 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,240 Speaker 1: want to remind people, you know this, the mythology that 1213 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 1: just anybody could become the nominee at a convention is 1214 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,200 Speaker 1: the Garfield story. And it was sort of because it 1215 01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,639 Speaker 1: happened once it became the myth that sort of made 1216 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,679 Speaker 1: politic conventions. We've all dreamed of a convention taking over 1217 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:10,479 Speaker 1: the process, when only time that happened was in the 1218 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,400 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty Chicago Republican Convention. So I think the book 1219 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,080 Speaker 1: does a good job of that, But I do think 1220 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,400 Speaker 1: the series gave short shrift to the fact that this 1221 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,759 Speaker 1: was a that he was He was alive for months, 1222 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,080 Speaker 1: and it was due to poor medical treatment that he died. Right, 1223 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,000 Speaker 1: The bullet didn't kill him, poor medical treatment killed him. 1224 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,800 Speaker 1: And then the second thing was the the circus that 1225 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,560 Speaker 1: was the Godeau trial itself, and I think it didn't 1226 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: necessarily capture that what the public was feeling. But there's 1227 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,679 Speaker 1: a reason Chester Arthur flips. There's a reason Chester Arthur right. 1228 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,080 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the public blamed Arthur at 1229 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 1: first as part of you know, sort of this that 1230 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,840 Speaker 1: this was all due to Roscoll, Conkling and all of that. 1231 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:08,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, let's just say that I am That's why 1232 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,600 Speaker 1: I was disappointed it because I think two of the 1233 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: more fascinating parts of it. Look at they did an 1234 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,240 Speaker 1: okay job at the convention, and they allowed that process 1235 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,919 Speaker 1: to play out. I want to I got I'm obsessed 1236 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,240 Speaker 1: with I'm going to end with this here. I'm obsessed 1237 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,840 Speaker 1: with Pluribis. And so during my during this long car 1238 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,960 Speaker 1: trip I just took last week, I listened to a 1239 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,880 Speaker 1: whole bunch of sort of companion Pluribis podcasts, not some 1240 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,879 Speaker 1: with the official podcast, but but some on our friends 1241 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:41,000 Speaker 1: the Ringer. Love those guys. The watch, Uh, their enthusiasm 1242 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:47,519 Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. And what what Vince Gilligan 1243 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:53,760 Speaker 1: is known for is showing you methodical process. Right, Like, 1244 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,479 Speaker 1: if you watch Pluribus, every time she calls the phone 1245 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:02,760 Speaker 1: spoiler lotle Art and she's calling you know, the hive 1246 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,559 Speaker 1: mind for stuff in the show, you have to hear 1247 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:13,920 Speaker 1: the entire message tape, recorded message play over and over. Right. 1248 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,920 Speaker 1: He wants to show that process. He doesn't give you 1249 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 1: short shrift. He doesn't speed through it. He wants you 1250 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: to absorb the process of living. Having every time they 1251 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,560 Speaker 1: have a conversation, she has to listen to that recording 1252 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,040 Speaker 1: over and over again, and you have to do it too. 1253 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,960 Speaker 1: I think what Death by Lightning didn't do is it 1254 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,719 Speaker 1: was so rushed in trying to put everything that should 1255 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,639 Speaker 1: have been an eight to ten episode mini series into 1256 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,240 Speaker 1: four episodes. Because the folks that I don't know this, 1257 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,800 Speaker 1: but I'm going to have an educated guest. Folks at 1258 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,599 Speaker 1: Netflix didn't think Garfield was going to be that interesting 1259 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,479 Speaker 1: to people. That he was not a known character, Guiteau 1260 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,200 Speaker 1: was not a known assassin, all of those things. So 1261 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,479 Speaker 1: they said, let's do this it as an experiment. It 1262 01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,320 Speaker 1: did well, and it shows it could have done eight 1263 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:03,760 Speaker 1: not for they took eight to ten episodes of content 1264 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,599 Speaker 1: and shoved it into four, and they rushed things. They 1265 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,479 Speaker 1: didn't show the process, show me the trial, show more 1266 01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,559 Speaker 1: of the medical care, show more of the convention. That's 1267 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:19,000 Speaker 1: what Vince Gilligan would have done with the content, and 1268 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:25,280 Speaker 1: that's not what was done here. 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What's funny is that, 1299 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, we fans, we never forget the slights against teams. 1300 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,280 Speaker 1: We play like you know, Catholics versus Convicts. When it 1301 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,519 Speaker 1: comes to Notre Dame, we'll shoot. 1302 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,680 Speaker 2: That happened in nineteen eighty eight. That's over thirty years ago, right, 1303 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 2: almost forty years ago. Now on that front, I brought 1304 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,160 Speaker 2: up the Penn State game. I think that you know 1305 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,559 Speaker 2: my frustration back during that national title game. Well, that 1306 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,240 Speaker 2: happened in nineteen eighty six, Okay, and now we have 1307 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,400 Speaker 2: Miami winning eleven games this year. It's the first time 1308 01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,679 Speaker 2: that's happened since before my daughter was born, and she's 1309 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,200 Speaker 2: twenty one years old, so you know this, you know, 1310 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,519 Speaker 2: So my bitterness about Ohio State feels very recent. My 1311 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,520 Speaker 2: bitterness about the Big twelve official who threw the unnecessary 1312 01:18:53,560 --> 01:19:00,639 Speaker 2: flag that handed Jim Tressel the controversial national time that year. 1313 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,080 Speaker 2: Terry Porter, is a name I'll never forget. I'm sorry, 1314 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,120 Speaker 2: mister Porter. If you're a listener, you're you're you're probably 1315 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 2: tired of us Miami fans harassing you by name. 1316 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Let's just say be glad that that that the the 1317 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 1: bad flag didn't happen in the social media era, and 1318 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,400 Speaker 1: that that had happened back in January of two thousand 1319 01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 1: and three. So, you know, Miami Ohio State is a 1320 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,679 Speaker 1: quote unquote rivalry just lives in the minds of Miami 1321 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,360 Speaker 1: fans twenty five years ago who were alive back then. 1322 01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,120 Speaker 1: It is not with today's Miami fans even you know. 1323 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,000 Speaker 1: I have to explain it to my daughter, you know, 1324 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,400 Speaker 1: and show it. Okay, that's why it's not you know, 1325 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,759 Speaker 1: it's it's not inherent on that front. So, but needless 1326 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,920 Speaker 1: to say, I'll have some interesting I'll have more to 1327 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:57,920 Speaker 1: say about that game. But look, we're there are a 1328 01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,600 Speaker 1: few things that I actually wanted to bring up in 1329 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,760 Speaker 1: the sport world that are off the field that I 1330 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,720 Speaker 1: think are worth having a conversation about. First of all, 1331 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,200 Speaker 1: are we suddenly moving? You know? One of the things 1332 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 1: in sports stadium developments was we've always go back and 1333 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,040 Speaker 1: forth we go, and you can sort of see it 1334 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,000 Speaker 1: in the landscape if you go to older major metropolitan areas. Right. So, 1335 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:29,520 Speaker 1: when I first moved to Washington, all of the basketball 1336 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: games and hockey games were played in the suburbs. It 1337 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,920 Speaker 1: was called the Capital Center. It was in Landover, Maryland. 1338 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:41,920 Speaker 1: And back then you had arenas in suburban locations because 1339 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,800 Speaker 1: there was this movement out of the cities and the 1340 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,120 Speaker 1: rise of the suburbs. So sports owners thought they wanted 1341 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,480 Speaker 1: to be where the people lived at night, not necessarily 1342 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,360 Speaker 1: where the people worked in the day. Well, then, of course, 1343 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,160 Speaker 1: another generation happens, and then there's a movement to bring 1344 01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,800 Speaker 1: all of the arenas and football stadium back into cities, right, 1345 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,960 Speaker 1: And we had this movement in the nineties and in 1346 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:11,320 Speaker 1: the aughts where everything was being brought back into the cities. Well, 1347 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,840 Speaker 1: in Washington, we're still trying to bring a stadium back 1348 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,479 Speaker 1: into the cities, but we're if you've noticed, we are 1349 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of in a period now where there is as 1350 01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,840 Speaker 1: much movement out of cities again as there is in 1351 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,519 Speaker 1: sports stadiums coming into the cities. The first of this 1352 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: was Atlanta, where they decided they don't play in Atlanta anymore. 1353 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 1: They play in Cobb County, right, They left the city 1354 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,200 Speaker 1: of Atlanta, and it's weird. It bums me that baseball 1355 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:40,519 Speaker 1: is there, but it turns out it was the right 1356 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,800 Speaker 1: business decision. They did this based on where were the 1357 01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,559 Speaker 1: majority of their fan base, and they decided it was 1358 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:51,040 Speaker 1: Cob County and it worked. You've got certainly Dallas, all right, 1359 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 1: You've got the hockey and basketball are in downtown Dallas, 1360 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,960 Speaker 1: but the baseball and football are in the suburbs, and 1361 01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,880 Speaker 1: they continue to be in the suburbs. But then again, 1362 01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the sort of the Dallas metroplex. Is there a suburb anymore? 1363 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,040 Speaker 1: Or is it just a series of cities. Arlington is 1364 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,400 Speaker 1: growing like crazy, Frisco and Denton is growing like crazy. 1365 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,559 Speaker 1: So it may be that those are forward looking things, 1366 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,360 Speaker 1: but it is notable to me if the Chiefs made 1367 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,200 Speaker 1: the decision to leave Kansas City, Missouri, and they're going 1368 01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,439 Speaker 1: to go to Kansas City, Kansas, which means I don't 1369 01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,120 Speaker 1: know how many of their fans are going to do that, 1370 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,080 Speaker 1: but I'm guessing they got a better deal from Kansas 1371 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,719 Speaker 1: to develop in Kansas than in Kansas City, Missouri. You've 1372 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,439 Speaker 1: got the Chicago Bears threatening to move to another state 1373 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 1: and to pull what the Washington then Redskins now commanders 1374 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,479 Speaker 1: did by moving from the district to the suburbs. Now 1375 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,479 Speaker 1: they want to go back to the district because that's 1376 01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,320 Speaker 1: where their fans wanted them to be. Meanwhile, the Bears, 1377 01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:55,400 Speaker 1: who have this incredible set up Soldier Field, in some 1378 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,240 Speaker 1: ways is in the perfect location in a city on 1379 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,599 Speaker 1: the lake. I think it is should be a tremendous 1380 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,519 Speaker 1: home field advantage. Obviously, they want more luxury boxes, they 1381 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,120 Speaker 1: want to make more money out of these things. But 1382 01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:11,360 Speaker 1: now they're talking about moving into Indiana, to Northwest Indiana. 1383 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,960 Speaker 1: Is this really a good idea? Do you really want 1384 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,000 Speaker 1: all of this there? This is a case where I 1385 01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,479 Speaker 1: bring this up because I think the NFL as a 1386 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:27,360 Speaker 1: league does not get involved enough in these stadium decisions. Right. 1387 01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,200 Speaker 1: The most egregious thing that they let happen. That I 1388 01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,320 Speaker 1: still think is a stain on the NFL is letting 1389 01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,120 Speaker 1: the Chargers leave San Diego. I mean, we now have 1390 01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,719 Speaker 1: a zombie franchise in LA. There is nobody that cares 1391 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,760 Speaker 1: about the Chargers in LA. Unfortunately, I wish there were more. 1392 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,000 Speaker 1: I know there's a handful of fans. Don't get me wrong, 1393 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,639 Speaker 1: all five LA Chargers fans my apologies, but the San 1394 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,040 Speaker 1: Diego fan base was tremendous. All Right, you had an 1395 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,200 Speaker 1: owner that had no trust with the community, and you 1396 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,160 Speaker 1: have a community that didn't believe in taxpayer funding the stadiums. Okay, Well, 1397 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,360 Speaker 1: then the NFL have stepped in what's in the best 1398 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 1: interest of the NFL keeping their fan base in San Diego, 1399 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,880 Speaker 1: not diluting this mess in LA. But instead, what did 1400 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,519 Speaker 1: they really want, Well, they wanted to help an owner 1401 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,040 Speaker 1: who couldn't afford a stadium. He was building uh in 1402 01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,040 Speaker 1: so far and he wanted a second tenant in order 1403 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:21,680 Speaker 1: to be able to have this magnificent stadium. So the 1404 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,840 Speaker 1: NFL prioritized having this incredible stadium. God love it so FI. 1405 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,799 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful stadium. It's a great, you know, host 1406 01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:33,679 Speaker 1: stadium for super Bowls, for National title games, for Taylor 1407 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:37,640 Speaker 1: Swift concerts, you name it. But without the guarantee of 1408 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,360 Speaker 1: a second tenant, it was going to make it really 1409 01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,559 Speaker 1: hard for the owner to make that work. And so 1410 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,320 Speaker 1: and so the the NFL prioritized sort of an owner's 1411 01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,439 Speaker 1: needs over what was in the best interests of the fans. 1412 01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,960 Speaker 1: And I be really careful here, NFL letting the If 1413 01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:02,080 Speaker 1: the Bears end up moving to Indiana, I would argue 1414 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,960 Speaker 1: the move out of the Washington to Maryland was a 1415 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,080 Speaker 1: mistake and that was a Jack can Cook. Can't blame 1416 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,120 Speaker 1: that one on Dan Schneider, all right, that was a 1417 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,519 Speaker 1: Jack can Cook situation that turned out to be a 1418 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,760 Speaker 1: bad business decision. Not just a bad fan decision, but 1419 01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,840 Speaker 1: bad fan decisions are bad business decisions. And in this case, 1420 01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,400 Speaker 1: I think the NFL needs to be smarter. Look, I 1421 01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,600 Speaker 1: know the only way owners can make money outside of 1422 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,240 Speaker 1: the socialistic enterprise that is the National Football League, where 1423 01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,639 Speaker 1: you sort of have a salary cap and use all 1424 01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,280 Speaker 1: the shared revenue, et cetera. Right that the only the 1425 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:44,080 Speaker 1: differentiator for individual owners are the luxury boxes, are the 1426 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:48,760 Speaker 1: season tickets, is the stadium experience, is parking, is concessions, 1427 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 1: et cetera. And I get that, but at the end 1428 01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,680 Speaker 1: of the day, the owners, to me are not you know, 1429 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,280 Speaker 1: these are not small businessmen. These are not the many 1430 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,400 Speaker 1: of them are not the best in Brice when it 1431 01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,880 Speaker 1: comes to business decisions, and they're not always looking out 1432 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,840 Speaker 1: for the interest of the NFL or the interests of 1433 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,400 Speaker 1: the NFL fan base, and the league I think needs 1434 01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,800 Speaker 1: to get more involved in these stadium decisions because these 1435 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:17,000 Speaker 1: are NFL facilities as well as team facilities. And considering 1436 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,559 Speaker 1: you are a socialistic enterprise, this is not a free 1437 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,599 Speaker 1: market system. It just isn't. Don't pretend it is every 1438 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,120 Speaker 1: once in a while when it comes to stadium development, 1439 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,080 Speaker 1: and I do think the NFL, you know, needs to 1440 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,120 Speaker 1: preserve you know, it's it's kind of embarrassing that the 1441 01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,280 Speaker 1: New York teams don't play in New York. I think 1442 01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,479 Speaker 1: it would be embarrassing that the Chicago team didn't play 1443 01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,760 Speaker 1: in Chicago. And is it going to matter? Maybe in 1444 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,640 Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, maybe it doesn't matter in 1445 01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,120 Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, but you sort of tear 1446 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,280 Speaker 1: away at the fabric and at the culture of a town, 1447 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:56,960 Speaker 1: and so you know, whether it's you know, making sure 1448 01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,280 Speaker 1: that Kansas City move isn't going to alienate a big 1449 01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,120 Speaker 1: chunk of the fan base, making sure the Bears going 1450 01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,920 Speaker 1: to Gary, Indiana isn't going to alienate the fan base, 1451 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,639 Speaker 1: making sure that you don't abandon and basically lose out 1452 01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:16,439 Speaker 1: on a bunch of fans in San Diego that should 1453 01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:17,880 Speaker 1: still be its own fan. I mean, you have the 1454 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,800 Speaker 1: Chargers are having a tremendous season and no one cares right, 1455 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,400 Speaker 1: and you know, look, you barely can get Angelina's to 1456 01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,280 Speaker 1: care that much about the Rams. But at least the 1457 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,160 Speaker 1: Rams have some sort of identity and history in LA. 1458 01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,439 Speaker 1: And I do think I've got friends in LA whose 1459 01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,360 Speaker 1: kids have adopted the Rams. You have not seen the 1460 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 1: same adoption of the Chargers. Look, the Clippers shouldn't be 1461 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,200 Speaker 1: in LA sharing a market with the Lakers. They should 1462 01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,639 Speaker 1: also probably be in San Diego, and the Chargers shouldn't 1463 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,880 Speaker 1: be in that market because you realize the Chargers are 1464 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:56,080 Speaker 1: the third team in that market. The Rams are one, 1465 01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,120 Speaker 1: The Raiders in Las Vegas are two because of their 1466 01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:03,719 Speaker 1: old ties to Los Angeles when they're good. USC is three, 1467 01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:09,080 Speaker 1: and then you finally get to the the LA Chargers. 1468 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 1: But That is something that needs to go in there 1469 01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:17,640 Speaker 1: very quickly. Your weekend guide to viewing and conversations you 1470 01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,720 Speaker 1: want to have to change to look like you're on 1471 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,800 Speaker 1: top of things in the sports world. One thing you 1472 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,559 Speaker 1: can mock and make fun of is how Netflix did 1473 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,600 Speaker 1: a terrible job of guessing which games would be relevant 1474 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:36,920 Speaker 1: uh and which which ones, which ones weren't. So other 1475 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,160 Speaker 1: than gamblers, there really is no reason to watch the 1476 01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:46,640 Speaker 1: Christmas games. Our Christmas get Cowboys Commanders, totally meaningless Commanders. 1477 01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Maybe with a third string quarterback, we won't even have 1478 01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:54,479 Speaker 1: Thailand Tyler Hennike Heinike to to root for or enjoy. 1479 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,599 Speaker 1: Lions Vikings. Lions need a lot of help. They got 1480 01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,800 Speaker 1: to win two games and hope the Packers lose two 1481 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:04,800 Speaker 1: games on that front. In Broncos Chiefs, Broncos are playing 1482 01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,800 Speaker 1: for a piece of the one seed and they should 1483 01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:11,519 Speaker 1: annihilate the Chiefs given the Chiefs are now going to 1484 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,599 Speaker 1: be on a third string quarterback on this front, So 1485 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,360 Speaker 1: you know what that means. It means and I can't 1486 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,120 Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this, but the Christmas Day NBA games 1487 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,120 Speaker 1: are more watchable than the Christmas Day NFL games. Look 1488 01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,479 Speaker 1: the NFL tried to basically bully the NBA, and it 1489 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,439 Speaker 1: really did ruin NBA last year, the NBA Christmas Day 1490 01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,360 Speaker 1: games last year. But guess what karma is a you 1491 01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,920 Speaker 1: know what? And the NFL thought, we're putting on the 1492 01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:45,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys and Patrick Mahomes, we're gonna be great. Whoops, not 1493 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:50,280 Speaker 1: so much, right, not so fast. So instead you get 1494 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:54,880 Speaker 1: what I think is that I'll give you three games. All. Look, 1495 01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,639 Speaker 1: the five games are good, but I would argue three 1496 01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,880 Speaker 1: stand apart, and you could say four of the five 1497 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,080 Speaker 1: are worth watching. But they're even opening game Cavs Nicks. 1498 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,120 Speaker 1: I love watching Jalen Brunson play basketball, and if you 1499 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,160 Speaker 1: haven't seen him play this year, this isn't a waste 1500 01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,400 Speaker 1: your time. But the best game is the one, hopefully 1501 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,880 Speaker 1: that starts before you eat your Christmas dinner, and that 1502 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,439 Speaker 1: is Spurs Thunder Wemby Baby, the best team in the 1503 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,120 Speaker 1: league against the best player in the league or the 1504 01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,960 Speaker 1: most unstoppable player in the league. I don't know if 1505 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,240 Speaker 1: he's the best yet, but my god, when it is, 1506 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,920 Speaker 1: just he does things you don't see other ordinary human 1507 01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,080 Speaker 1: beings do. He's the alien, right, He's the one of 1508 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,480 Speaker 1: one whatever you want to call it. It is amazing. 1509 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,280 Speaker 1: Go watch some Wemby. If you haven't been a fan 1510 01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,480 Speaker 1: of the NBA, watch Wemby. This is the future Oklahoma 1511 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,200 Speaker 1: City as a team and Wemby as an individual. This 1512 01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:53,759 Speaker 1: is the future of basketball being played on heights. We've 1513 01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,800 Speaker 1: never seen the game played. Go watch it. The next 1514 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,240 Speaker 1: game Mavericks Warriors. You get to see a little bit 1515 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,680 Speaker 1: of Cooper Fly. This dude is for real, a lot 1516 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,479 Speaker 1: of fun to watch. Plus you get Steph Curry, so 1517 01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,479 Speaker 1: you get old and new, young and old. Steph Curry 1518 01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,160 Speaker 1: I think technically old enough to beat Cooper Flag's father, 1519 01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,680 Speaker 1: that's the age difference between the two. But it was like, 1520 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, getting to watch the brief period. We got 1521 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,680 Speaker 1: to watch the overlap between Kobe and Lebron. You get 1522 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,120 Speaker 1: to see this overlap between Cooper Flag and Steph Curry. 1523 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Rockets Lakers. Hey, it's Luca versus the All Star team 1524 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,880 Speaker 1: that is that is the Rockets with Kevin Durant and 1525 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,040 Speaker 1: all these new young players that are absolutely worth watching 1526 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,240 Speaker 1: on that front. And then the nightcap is Nuggets Timberwolves, 1527 01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,639 Speaker 1: and there's nobody that There are two people I really 1528 01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,240 Speaker 1: enjoy watching play basketball these days. One is Victor One 1529 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,720 Speaker 1: Banyama and the other is NICOLEA Jokic and Nuggets Timberwolves. 1530 01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,360 Speaker 1: And I'm a I've got a soft spot for Anthony Edwards, 1531 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,840 Speaker 1: so I think this is a day and I'm normally 1532 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,240 Speaker 1: you don't hear me as a big proponent of regular 1533 01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,320 Speaker 1: season NBA, but good for the NBA. This is a 1534 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,640 Speaker 1: great showcase. The NFL blew it thought they were showcasing 1535 01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,280 Speaker 1: some of their some of their best teams and some 1536 01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,360 Speaker 1: of their most marketable teams, and it imploded in their face. 1537 01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,519 Speaker 1: They get that as far as bulls over the next 1538 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:20,840 Speaker 1: few days that are worth you disrupting things. Take a 1539 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 1: look at the Cal Hawaii game. Hawaii's been sneaky good 1540 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,799 Speaker 1: this year. It's not going to look good for the ACC, 1541 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,000 Speaker 1: but this will be a semi home game for Hawaii. 1542 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:35,559 Speaker 1: That'll be a fascinating fun day after Christmas. I'm gonna 1543 01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,639 Speaker 1: be honest, none of the games are worth watching. There's 1544 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,240 Speaker 1: no If you're saying I've got to watch college football 1545 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,280 Speaker 1: the day after Christmas on the twenty six, you're either 1546 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,519 Speaker 1: an alum of Central Michigan in Northwestern that's the noon game. 1547 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,720 Speaker 1: You're an alum of Minnesota New Mexico, although watching New 1548 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,760 Speaker 1: Mexico beat Minnesota would be a lot of fun seeing 1549 01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,599 Speaker 1: the Big Ten lose to a team like New Mexico. 1550 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,720 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, the Fighting pit Bulls aka 1551 01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,920 Speaker 1: F in its first Bowl game in a while playing 1552 01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,599 Speaker 1: the football program that was created by a former University 1553 01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,840 Speaker 1: MIMI head coach, Larry Coker UT San Antonio. But let's 1554 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,040 Speaker 1: be honest, none of those are worth it. I will 1555 01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,800 Speaker 1: say this. The Saturday games are a lot of fun. 1556 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,320 Speaker 1: You've got Penn State Clemson would be a lot more 1557 01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,639 Speaker 1: fun as a meaningful game, but still not a bad 1558 01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,200 Speaker 1: game that's going to be played in Yankee Stadium. You've 1559 01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,200 Speaker 1: got Georgia Tech BYU. This should be Notre Dame BYU, 1560 01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,920 Speaker 1: but we're going to get Notre Dame BYU is a 1561 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,040 Speaker 1: series which, by the way, what a great series the 1562 01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:38,479 Speaker 1: Mormons versus the Catholics, Right, that'll be a lot of fun. Sorry, 1563 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,479 Speaker 1: USC that you guys are afraid of your playing nine 1564 01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:42,960 Speaker 1: Big Ten games and you don't want to play Notre 1565 01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,599 Speaker 1: Dame every year, God bless you, But you know what, BYU. 1566 01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:47,719 Speaker 1: Notre Dame feels like a pretty good series. But BYU. 1567 01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech isn't a bad second place, and I think 1568 01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,320 Speaker 1: both teams will care never bet on the grown ass 1569 01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,880 Speaker 1: men of BYU. Remember they're all in their early twenties 1570 01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,400 Speaker 1: because they've all done their missions. So there's you don't 1571 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,479 Speaker 1: have the misspent youth if you will. And then the 1572 01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,040 Speaker 1: other game that I'm mildly interested in is whoever's suiting 1573 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:13,840 Speaker 1: up for LSU playing the Houston Cougars. Houston's a school 1574 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,920 Speaker 1: that I have a feeling is only going to become 1575 01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,080 Speaker 1: more of a player in college athletics. They already are 1576 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,760 Speaker 1: in college basketball. There's real money down there at that campus. 1577 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,080 Speaker 1: There's real enthusiasm, it's a growing alumni base. I just 1578 01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,559 Speaker 1: have a feeling Houston has a chance to be to 1579 01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:35,240 Speaker 1: be interesting there. So there's your weekend guide, a little 1580 01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:39,120 Speaker 1: bit of a few little nuggets to have fun conversations 1581 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,519 Speaker 1: with about sports, to make it look like you have 1582 01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:46,760 Speaker 1: an athletic subscription. But be careful. Trying to use some 1583 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,000 Speaker 1: of these games is an excuse to to avoid relatives, 1584 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:55,960 Speaker 1: because honestly, there's the NBA is really the only thing 1585 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,840 Speaker 1: that's worth worth saying. Hey, let's set let's let's set 1586 01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:02,040 Speaker 1: the snacks down a minute and let's check this out. 1587 01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:07,040 Speaker 1: So enjoy, enjoy your holiday. Like I said, I will 1588 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,439 Speaker 1: have one more feed drop this week. It's sort of 1589 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,240 Speaker 1: a repackage of an interview I do with Jasmine Crockett, 1590 01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:14,800 Speaker 1: but I do have some new information at the top 1591 01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,559 Speaker 1: of that, so it is worth your time there. And 1592 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,479 Speaker 1: with that I will I'll see you next week after 1593 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,240 Speaker 1: the Christmas holidays. I hope you have a safe, happy 1594 01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:26,679 Speaker 1: and healthy long Reachain