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Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians. We're returning and it's twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Happy new year. The future. Man, it's the year Blade

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Speaker 2: Runner was set. I think, no, maybe not, but it's

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's strange because just a few days

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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty six, I was already thinking, what a

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Speaker 2: You know, it really really has been a year for sure.

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Speaker 3: Another one also to jump in real quick, Blade Runner

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Speaker 3: was set in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Dang uh, yeah, we were passed.

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Speaker 1: Later on, we're past the Jetsons, we're boldly going into

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Speaker 1: the future, and we still don't have widespread flying cars.

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Speaker 3: It this the year and the Sprocket are still the

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Speaker 3: highest forms of technology that exists.

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Speaker 1: Right in this episode, though, we're we're returning to a

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Speaker 1: classic story about a time when Louisiana was different, when

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Speaker 1: perhaps we could build a better future with the hippopotamus.

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Speaker 2: Let's do a pivot. Let's do a hippo pivot.

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Speaker 1: Hip hop hip ovid hip ovid.

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Speaker 2: The hip hopopotamus, yeah rhymes is bottomless. So what were

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Speaker 2: they doing? They wanted they weren't. Weren't they breeding these

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Speaker 2: what it was first, the bizarre eats guy, right, Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for su ye, Yeah, I love some some wild meats. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And nowadays in the US, we've talked about this in

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Speaker 1: little bit differently in the nineteen hundreds, your supermarket might

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Speaker 2: You had a bit of a whiled meat period, didn't you, Ben? Oh? Sure?

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Speaker 2: Are you still in it? Yeah, we'll check this classic

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Speaker 3: There's one more classic to help us transition back into

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Speaker 3: the usual published schedule. So we appreciate y'all enjoying these,

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Speaker 3: and hope everyone had a lovely holiday.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Let's begin today's

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Speaker 1: show with some apparently irrelevant hippo facts that will come

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Speaker 1: know hippos cannot swim and they can float?

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Speaker 2: What It's true. So when whenever you see a hippo

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Speaker 2: they're literally just walking on the on the bottom of

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Speaker 1: They walk or stand on surfaces below the water like sandbanks.

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Speaker 2: Ben. That's fascinating information.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Noel. They're also called land cows. Did you see that?

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Speaker 1: That was my favorite things.

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Speaker 2: And they're also straight seahorse teeth.

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Speaker 1: They are they are a straight seahorse teeth, much like

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Speaker 1: our super producer Casey Pegram.

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Speaker 2: Casey has the straightest teeth of anyone in this crew,

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Speaker 2: the most seahorse of teeth bigtime.

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Speaker 1: So today we've got to we've got to set out

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Speaker 1: maybe a couple of disclaimers. First off, this one's on me.

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Speaker 1: I just got back into town. My body has no

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Speaker 2: Your arm's tired? Oh, what day it is? My left

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But overall, it might be a bit punchy in

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Speaker 1: today's episode, and I might see some things that are

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Speaker 2: Big one, massive disclaimer and not even a disclaimer, more

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Speaker 2: a pre recommendation. Our colleagues Holly Frye and Tracy V. Wilson,

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Speaker 2: who you know from stuff you missed in History class Fame,

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Speaker 2: have covered this very topic in a quite meaty two parter.

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Speaker 2: So stop what you're doing right now and listen to theirs.

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Speaker 2: This is a throwaway episode that we're about to do

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe listen to ours first, so we don't have

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Speaker 2: That's fair. Let's consider ours like the cliffs Notes version,

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Speaker 2: Rampant makamuka muckamuck.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about not just hippos or land cows,

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Speaker 2: Cool boy, that's the whole thing onto itself. And it

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Speaker 1: Why don't we pursue a Michael paulinesque omnivore's dilemma approach? Right?

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Speaker 2: So consequently, beef prices were through the roof. That beef

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Speaker 2: Like we just really love the taste of meat over vegetables?

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Speaker 2: Super cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one named Frederick Russell Burnham and one named We.

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Speaker 2: Might need a Casey assist on this one. Casey, We've

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Speaker 4: Well, the yes names especially have lots of weird exceptions,

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Speaker 2: So double casey on the case.

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Speaker 1: So we have these guys, Frederick and Fritz. Let's examine

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Speaker 1: the life of Frederick Russell Burnham.

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Speaker 1: This guy is quoted by some sources as being the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's psych about Fritz. So, Fritz is a bore,

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Speaker 1: we are now.

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Speaker 2: Now.

438
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Speaker 1: We are in a reality where we could the three

439
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: of us and you listening, we could all travel in

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Speaker 1: different directions in the Lower forty eight States, for sure,

441
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 1: and then pretty much order the same thing. We can

442
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: find the same thing anywhere.

443
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, there was a time where

444
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: the idea of getting seafood in a landlocked part of

445
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: the country would have been insane, you know, but not

446
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: not so much anymore, with like refrigeration technology here in Atlanta,

447
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: especially because we are near such a huge shipping hub,

448
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: with the airport's constantly flux and things coming through. You know. Yeah,

449
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: you can get genuine wygof beef here. That's probably true.

450
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure it is. Yeah, I'm sure it is. I

451
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: really recommend there is behind a paywall, but that this writer,

452
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: John Mullam wrote a piece for the Adavist website called

453
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Speaker 2: American Hippopotamus, and I read it some excerpts from it,

454
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: and it's it's very very good. Right. He goes into

455
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Speaker 2: the backgrounds of these two very fascinating men in a

456
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: very deep dive way and talks through this whole problem

457
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Speaker 2: and situation and what ultimately came of him.

458
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Speaker 1: It is also the source of it's the first time

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Speaker 1: I found this quote. It's the source of my favorite

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Speaker 1: quotation about Fritz Duking. He was described as not only

461
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: the human epitome of sin in deception, but get this

462
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: stole a walking, living, breathing, searing, killing, destroying torch of hate.

463
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Speaker 2: WHOA.

464
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Speaker 1: I don't think that made it into the congressional record.

465
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Speaker 2: I don't think so either, but it made it into

466
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Speaker 2: the podcast record. And I think there's not much of

467
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: a better way to wrap this up than with that.

468
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Speaker 2: My friend, that's true. That's true. This ends our tale

469
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Speaker 2: of the would be hippopotamus livestock empire that never quite

470
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: came to pass and now is currently relegated to the

471
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Speaker 2: Hall of good but ultimately unsuccessful ideas such as giraffe

472
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Speaker 2: ranches and Ostrich farms. We hope that you enjoy today's episode.

473
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Speaker 2: Let us know what we are.

474
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: It's oh, I've.

475
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Speaker 1: Been here the whole time, Jonathan Strickland, aka the quizter.

476
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: It is true, you have been here.

477
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: Yes, if you heard anything fact that you wouldn't acknowledge

478
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: my existence for half an hour really hurts.

479
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, man, if you heard any weird, labored, evil breathing,

480
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: that was Strickland on the mic.

481
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: A couple of times he rolled his eyes so hard

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Speaker 1: that I'm pretty sure translated to audio. Listen, Ben, listen, listen, Ben, listen.

483
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: Listen.

484
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: You're talking about my boy Fritz, and you're casting aspersions

485
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: left and right. I can't let this just go by.

486
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Ben.

487
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: Fritz is my boy.

488
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 2: Here's something of a super villain.

489
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: And let me tell you have not scratched the surface

490
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: of Fritz. Fritz was an insurance scam walking down the streets.

491
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: He was in the movie business. He worked for RKO Pictures.

492
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: He actually was arrested for insurance fraud.

493
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: He sounds like he needs his own episode. He thought.

494
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: He is amazing. And guess what. We're going to test

495
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Speaker 3: your knowledge about Fritz Duquan right now. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,

496
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: if you don't understand what's happening, I don't blame you.

497
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't understand it myself, and I don't even have

498
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: the excuse of an international flight like mister Bolin. Now

499
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: what we are going to do is I'm going to

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Speaker 3: pose a scenario to these two gentlemen they will have

501
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Speaker 3: three minutes to discuss the scenario between the two of them,

502
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Speaker 3: and they may ask questions of me during those three

503
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Speaker 3: minutes to determine whether the scenario is in fact historical

504
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: or if I made it up seas and so this time,

505
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: as always, I have to come up with an arbitrary

506
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: rule for you to say or do before you ask

507
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: a question. This time because one of the many things

508
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: Fritz Dukan was known for was during both World Wars

509
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: he was a spy for the German government. So before

510
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: you ask any questions, you will have to preface it

511
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Speaker 3: with achtung.

512
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Baby like that appreciated YouTube records.

513
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: Really, that's why I was kind of it's both thematic

514
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: and we can bring some attention.

515
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: I think it is. I think that's sort of considered.

516
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: They're one of their lesser works.

517
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: I would thought I was really broken up about that.

518
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: Anyway, I will give you your scenario and then we

519
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: will start the enormous Grandfather clock for its three minutes.

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00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm stretching now.

521
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I've got to run all the way across this gigantic

522
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: shipping container.

523
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: One of those twelve hour flights, and economies gonna do

524
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: that to you. All right, here we go, here's your scenario.

525
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: Fritz Ducan, as you've mentioned, was one of the experts

526
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: consulted for the Happy Pottus plan for Louisiana. That's what

527
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: I used to call hippopotamuses.

528
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: No little tyke. That's adorable.

529
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: Disney thought so too. But Ducan was hardly a reliable resource.

530
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: He was a con man, He was a self promoter.

531
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Speaker 3: He was a big game hunter. He actually went on

532
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: big game hunts with Teddy Roosevelt, and a spy for

533
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: the Germans with a real grudge against Britain. He had

534
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Speaker 3: two main rivals in his career. One you've already mentioned

535
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Speaker 3: the fellow hippo advocate Frederick Russell Burnham, whom I trust

536
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: you remember from literally moments ago. But his other rival,

537
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: which had a very similar story in some ways, was

538
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: an English spy named Vernon Hall. Hall had never crossed

539
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: paths with Duken, which is fortunate because like Burnham, Ducn

540
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: and Hall were pledged to kill one another. They each

541
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: had orders to kill each other. They were very similar

542
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways except for one major one.

543
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: Du Can was a spy but loved attention and would

544
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: bring attention on himself all the time, even posing as

545
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: a supposed British soldier with the Australian Light Cavalry at

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Speaker 3: one point. But Hall was a master of blending in

547
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: and not being noticed, which is particularly fascinating considering the

548
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: fact that he had a wooden leg. Start to the timer.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I'm running, I'm running. Go okay? Are

550
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: you okay?

551
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: Ben?

552
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: I've you really took a running leap at that wall?

553
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: A little wind. You look a little flattened.

554
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: I I you know what, I'll be good for the

555
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: three minutes it takes us to figure this out.

556
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Oktung baby?

557
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: Yes, mister Bolin.

558
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: So are you saying that?

559
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: Ver?

560
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: Wait?

561
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: Are you saying Fritz had a wooden leg? No, I'm

562
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: just saying Vernon Hall.

563
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: Fritz loved attention. Vernon Hall was the opposite.

564
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he loved his prosthetics.

565
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: Okay, Oktung baby, Yes, give me like the log line

566
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: version of the entire question, all right?

567
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: Was Fritz Duchan arch nemesies with not just one, but

568
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: two other spies, the second being Vernon Hall and English

569
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: spy active by the way, during World War Two.

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Speaker 2: In addition to our other player in our in today's story.

571
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: From the Boer War. So that was much, much, much earlier.

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00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: So they were he was kind of an assassin. Yeah,

573
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: he had been.

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Speaker 1: He had been tasked to assassinate more than one person.

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00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so then it's it does seem likely that he

576
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: I mean they they weren't necessarily mortal enemies because they

577
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: had beef with each other. They were mortal enemies because

578
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: they were assigned by someone higher than them than their

579
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: pay grade to do harm to one, at least initially initially.

580
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: So that being the case, it does seem likely that

581
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Speaker 2: that would happen more than once, or at least probably possible.

582
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna ask.

583
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: I think I've made up my mind.

584
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I've cast him a lot, but I'm gonna ask another question,

585
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: just because I like the bit we're doing.

586
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: I do too. I like saying it's it's got good mouthfeeling.

587
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Oktung baby, Yes, mister bullin, I just wanted to say it.

588
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: That's fair.

589
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Okay, you're thinking true. I'm thinking true. Man. Oh gosh,

590
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: we've been on such a good streak. I know I

591
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: hate to squander it, but I'm thinking true. Too, all right,

592
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: so we gotta lock it in.

593
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, three two one.

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00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: True, damn it, oh, mister Bolan, mister Bullen, you are

595
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: going to kick yourself.

596
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: So very hard.

597
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: First of all, Fritz Duken was it too.

598
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: He's quite flexible.

599
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: He was, in fact a spy during both world wars,

600
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: World War One and World War Two on behalf of

601
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: the Germans. He did have a very strong anti British

602
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: sentiment deep in his soul. He had been put into

603
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: prison and broke out numerous times, although he was eventually

604
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: caught and tried and eventually died in shortly after being

605
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: released because his health had gotten so poor while he

606
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: was in prison for fourteen years. But there was no

607
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: Vernon Hall. There was, however, a spy with a wooden

608
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: leg named Virginia Hall. Virginia Hall was an American spy,

609
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: mister Bolin.

610
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: Virginia that's dirty pool.

611
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: Not only had a wooden leg, and while only was

612
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: a spy worked on behalf of the French resistance, was

613
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 3: an American spy working in France. There's an entire building

614
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: at the CIA named after her.

615
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: Why do you keep saying last name? This way?

616
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: I was I was a part of this too, because

617
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 3: mister Bullen in particular should know more about the sad

618
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: Hey now, hey, now, no no dosing here come.

619
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's Ben's story. Ben, Now listen.

620
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: I I called dirty pool because you literally just flipped

621
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Speaker 3: the gender. No no. I also said he was an

622
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: English spy, not an American. But I didn't give you

623
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: any details about what he did as his spy work

624
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: in World Wars. Okay, but my into our intuition of

625
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: the true truthishness of the story still held true. Well,

626
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: this just warns you that you can't necessarily believe anything

627
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: about Fritz.

628
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: You can, Okay, that's that's well written. Yeah, we takeaway,

629
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: But I feel like.

630
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: It also beats we can't necessarily believe anything you say.

631
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: That's kind of the point that very But I feel

632
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: like I'm going to carry this off air with us.

633
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: But but here's here's what I charge you both. I

634
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: charge you both to you should do two companion episodes,

635
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: one specifically about Burnham and the legendary exploits of Burnham,

636
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: and one specifically of Duquanes and the legendary some obviously

637
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: fictional exploits he really did pose as a British soldier

638
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: who had led an Australian Light Cavalry. He had created

639
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: an entire mythology, mythology including being bayonetted three times in

640
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: gas four times. Wait to what end? This was his

641
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 3: cover story, like because he liked the attention. He liked

642
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: dressing up in the cavalry uniform and having photographs taken

643
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: of him. There are famous photographs of him in that

644
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: in that outfit.

645
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: I need to be caught would be a death sentence. Yes,

646
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: So he was just totally rolling the desk. He just

647
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: he just he.

648
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Relished the attention.

649
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: But we've all been there, you know what I mean.

650
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: It's true, super villainy.

651
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: You get off work on a Friday. Next thing, you know,

652
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: it's Sunday, You're in a different country and you're dressed

653
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: like a member they're military.

654
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: Stuff just happens.

655
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we know what happened in Korea.

656
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: All right.

657
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Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of segues, Jonathan strickladk the quiztor. It looks

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Speaker 1: like you've won the battle, but not the war. I'm

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Speaker 1: winning the war too, But come.

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Speaker 2: On, man, And it just occurred to me.

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Speaker 1: No, this is the first time in twenty nineteen that

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Speaker 1: we have had our friend slash Nemesis on the show.

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Speaker 2: I really like this one. Usually this is the time

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Speaker 2: where I kind of low key snark at the clister here,

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Speaker 2: But now that was very well played, sir, and he

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Speaker 2: literally gave us two new episode topics. So I do

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Speaker 2: need to point something out real quick. I recently discovered something.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan, as I think we all are,

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Speaker 2: of Scott Ackerman and Comedy Bang Bang. The television show

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Speaker 2: Comedy Bang Bang, there is an episode wherein Tom Green

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Speaker 2: plays a character called the Quizzler, and it's utter parallel thinking,

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Speaker 2: very similar arch villain type character to you the Quist

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Striggle.

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Speaker 3: But I just want to point out that this was

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Speaker 3: not lifted. This was just simply parallel thinking. And I

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Speaker 3: saw it with my buddy and he was like, wait

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Speaker 3: a minute. We we just know that brilliance sometimes comes

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Speaker 3: in pairs, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, like like calculus exactly exactly. I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: put that out there real quick, lest anyone accuse us

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Speaker 2: of ripping off this segment. Quist is also a better name.

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Speaker 2: I agree to actively that tea in the middle kind

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Speaker 2: of throws it off.

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Speaker 3: It's got a good mouthfeel, so just like octam Baby,

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Speaker 3: it's just like Octum Baby.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Quister. We will get you next time.

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Speaker 1: As I'm shaking my fist at the air, we do

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Speaker 1: also have to we have to bring up one thing,

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Speaker 1: and I want to make.

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Speaker 2: The show too long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but off air, Jonathan, you learned second or perhaps

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Speaker 1: third hand about this show's checkered past with the musician

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Speaker 1: Chryl Crowe.

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Speaker 3: Yes, something about Limericks popped up and I don't fully

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Speaker 3: understand what's happening.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the Limericks side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that popped up on the on the.

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Speaker 1: Group, the group the ridiculous Historians Facebook. What's what the

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Crow thing?

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Speaker 2: She is our now you're you're our nemes.

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Speaker 3: I'm your branded nemesis, as assigned by obligated. Every podcast

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Speaker 3: has one. It's I'm the only one who's allowed on mic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a Burnham Duquine thing, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like this rivalry, but we respect each other

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Speaker 1: and this is not the case with the popular musician

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Crowe, who we discovered is our primary critic online

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Speaker 1: and off.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, yeah, Cheryl Crow christized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no, no, no press is bad press,

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Speaker 2: I guess, but she is. She has got some harsh

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Speaker 2: barbs free boys personally. Yeah, and uh, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: we're glad.

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Speaker 1: We're glad that she is around, because it turns out

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Speaker 1: that most of our subscription numbers do come from Cheryl Crowe.

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Speaker 2: You know, every day's a winding road, Frank, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: so what you're saying, winding.

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Speaker 3: Road the next concert tour, we should just be out

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Speaker 3: in the parking lot selling ridiculous history t shirts.

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Speaker 2: That's right, all right, yeah, I gotcha.

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Speaker 1: We just wanted to be transparent with you because we

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Speaker 1: know that you are such an ardent fan of Cheryl Crowe.

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Speaker 3: Well now I'm growing more so every day.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, you guys should leak up, maybe.

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Speaker 3: Have our own Injustice League. Excellent, I like it.

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Speaker 2: Well, while you're waiting for that hellish combination to coalesce,

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Speaker 2: you can send us an email at Ridiculous at HowStuffWorks

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Speaker 2: dot com if you would like to send us any musings,

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Speaker 2: any thoughts about this or any other episode suggestions. We

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Speaker 2: love that. You can hit us up on our Facebook group,

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Speaker 2: The Ridiculous Historians.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you can also find our off air personal

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Speaker 1: ventures at our instagrams I am at Ben Bolan, I.

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Speaker 2: Am at Embryonic Insider, And do you have any socials

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Speaker 2: you'd like to pitch.

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Speaker 3: Plug at John Strickland, I post cute pictures of my dog, Timbleton.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very cute dog. There's no h in the John there,

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Speaker 1: that's right. So you can also find more of Jonathan

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Speaker 1: working under his Clark Kent Alter ego at his show

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Speaker 1: Tech Stuff.

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Speaker 2: Where how would you describe text.

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Speaker 3: I'd say the tech Stuff. You got to drop the

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Speaker 3: whole twister thing here.

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Speaker 2: Tech Stuff is tech.

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Speaker 3: Text Stuff is just about It's about technology and about

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Speaker 3: culture and about how those two things intersect. So some

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Speaker 3: episodes are a little more technology focused, where we talk

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Speaker 3: about how a technology actually works. Sometimes we're talking about

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Speaker 3: how a technology has shaped our lives and how we

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Speaker 3: in turn have shaped the evolution of that technology. So

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Speaker 3: if you're interested in anything from an iPhone to a catapult,

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Speaker 3: I've covered it on Stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's true, that's true. This show has been a decade. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's more than one thousand episodes, So get started now

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Speaker 1: for your next podcast binge opportunity tune into Tech Stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'd also like to thank, of course, our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and Alex Williams who composed our track.

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Speaker 3: And we'd also like to thank Gabe are amazing research associate.

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Speaker 3: And of course we'd like to thank you the listening public.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a very clinical way of referring to our

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Speaker 2: friends out there in podcast land. I'll never do that again,

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Speaker 2: but seriously, the show wouldn't be anything without you. And

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Speaker 2: if you want to hang out with your fellow listeners,

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Speaker 2: check out that group you mentioned earlier, the Ridiculous Historians

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Speaker 2: on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to checking out our score with

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Speaker 1: the Twister.

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Speaker 2: You know there's a score. Is there someone doing a spreadsheet?

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Speaker 1: I don't know when there's a spreadsheet, but everyone knows we're.

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Speaker 2: A couple behind. That's fair. I think I think we

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Speaker 2: evened it up last time, and now we're behind it.

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Speaker 2: We got close, We did get close.

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Speaker 3: I think you were. I think you were one behind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because of course you're keeping count.

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Speaker 2: No imagine that. All right, that's the show, See you

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Speaker 2: next time. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.