1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: All right, welcome in Faithfuls and Traders to a new 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. I'm Wills Adams 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: that I'm alongside. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: Dolores Catana, the Winner. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: Yes, the winner, and apparently Tamra was banished because she's 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: not here today. She's doing her Oh she. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Didn't make it to breakfast. I'm so sad she was murdered. 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: She didn't knock on the doors. She did not come 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: through breakfast. But we're here and so are you all. 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: We finally kind of get into the meat of the season, right, 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Like I think the first episode is very much just 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: like establishing shots and like meeting everyone, and now we're 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: into the gameplay. So episode two is very very fun. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: People are now starting to get their footing and you 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: kind of get surprised at who's actually right yeah, and 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: who's like on to them in such an early stage. 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: So that surprised me. 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oooh, I wonder if it's the first 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: American season. I wonder if there wasn't a lot of 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: information to go on for the people who are traders, 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: who I feel like are making big mistakes and like 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: making big swings and being very obvious. 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Well, the biggest mistake is being in everyone's face, which 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: I don't think Christians capable of not doing that. Yeah, 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: like he is on top, like he is putting a 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: target on himself beyond. 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: So at breakfast, the Trader's first murder is revealed. They 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: killed Reza from Shaws of Sunset. How did you feel 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: about that? Like, you know, he thought that the Traders 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: made a good decision, But I think it's so early 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: that I'm not sure if it really matters. 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: So, of course, if you remember at the first mission, 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: Rezzo was the loudest. He was like, all gung ho 34 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: pro team. Now these guys still don't know. Again, let's 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: cut them some slow. This is First American season, second episode, 36 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: the first mission. You don't know that being loud is 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: going to give someone an excuse to murder you or 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: put you. As a Trader, you kind of have to 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: play possum, which is how I played. He made the 40 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: ultimate mistake being a strong leader, being somebody who can 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: influence people. That's everything the Traders. 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: Don't want one hundred percent, and then also being kind 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: of so outspoken. He annoyed Michael, and then Michael kind 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: of explained to everyone how much he didn't like Resia, 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: and so then it's just like, well, this is such 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: an easy thing for the traders to jump on, right, 47 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: it's already internal turmoil with faithfuls, and we can get 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people looking their way. 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: Right. So, you know, Michael, although he's not a trader, 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: he would have, I think, made a good trader because 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: he makes these little bombs everywhere. But yet he's got 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: like this Southern accent and he's real like innocent and like, 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: oh poor little me, and you know, New Jersey, you 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: come out. I could be walking down the beach. I 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: remember in like I don't know Aruba, the homeless man 56 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: living on the beach looked at me and goes Jersey 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: and I'm like, why go because you got that look. So, 58 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: you know, people with strong personalities like resident thing, they 59 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: tend to draw attention to themselves, where Michael is acting 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: like this innocent little Southern bell. Yeah. 61 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: Reza kind of reminds me of Derinda from the season 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: that we were on, Like she was very loud, she 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: was ruffling some feathers and she was bravo. Yeah. Yeah, 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: but she came became the first target for the traders. 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was a kind of an interesting analogy 66 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: and very similar. But then you have Christian over here 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: pushing this narrative that gerald Deane's trader, which is surprising 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, it was they were all going 69 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: off of. She looked really nervous after they pulled the 70 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: blindfolds off, which okay, I guess, but well I didn't. 71 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 72 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: Other than that, I didn't really see her even talk 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: to anybody, So I was surprised that that's who they 74 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: were going after. 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: Well, as this is, there's no rhyme or reason in 76 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: the beginning why people will come for you, right. So 77 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: the thing with Geraldine is she didn't make a connection 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: with everyone, and now we can't go by that because 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: you certainly did, and you were the first to be banished, right, 80 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: and you had a connection with everyone. I think that 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: you know, Iane needed a defibrillator when you left. She 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: was hysterical, crying. I had a carrier back to her room, 83 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: and everyone felt so freaking bad, and you were missed. 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: But see, somebody like Geraldine comes in doesn't know anybody. 85 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: She says to herself, I'm an introvert. I get to 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: know people. It's just the way I grew up it's 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: the way I was raised. So people want to judge 88 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: the way someone handles things or acts by that way, 89 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: Like you have to get people to like you. That's 90 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: a part of winning as well. 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's also like winning a life. 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: I liked her. I think she's a very nice person. 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen Michael go instead 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: of her. 95 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this was a good example of 96 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: why it's really hard to do this show with people 97 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: who are used to being on TV and then people 98 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: who aren't right, like a couple of glaring exposition of 99 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: like she was kind of falling in on her shelf, 100 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk a lot, whereas you've got some other, 101 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, big TV personalities that you know it's their 102 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: job to be on TV and make friends. And I 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: thought that that was like, oh, I can see how 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: this would go this way. But you know, Christian pushing 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: this narrative of Gerald Dean makes people start thinking that 106 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: Christian is. 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey see so again amateur moves. 108 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 109 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: First season, see Sirih's sitting back. She's just watching it 110 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: all happening and listening and taking making sure nobody's onto her. 111 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: She's smart, she is very smart, but she's not smarter 112 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: than Brandy. 113 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: I know. I gotta say, Brandy is killing it out there. 114 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: She's calling out traders left, right and center. 115 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm yet to see somebody who called 116 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: things this straight, this sharp, this early. But you know, 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: Brandy's a player anyway, like in life. And I all 118 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: the power to her, all the respect when I say this. 119 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: She's no slouch. She's been through a lot, She's had 120 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: her share of liars in her life, I'm sure. So 121 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: here she comes like bitch. I know that I know 122 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: this animal like she was, but it's but sirih was 123 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: just sitting like to call her out, you almost have 124 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: to be psychic at this point. 125 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some people have that like inkling and 126 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: can really read people. You know. It's interesting the way 127 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: that Christian was going about Well, I mean, he was 128 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: campaigning against Cheraldine kind of before the roundtable, right, But 129 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of when Bob the drag 130 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Queen kind of came after me. He kind of like 131 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: was the ringleader of we think that Wells is the guy, 132 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, that's really weird. I thought 133 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: I had a good relationship with you. I don't really 134 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: talked to you that a whole lot, but I've tried 135 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: to talk to you a bunch and then afterwards being like, 136 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's a trader because he's going after 137 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: he's the one who started this kind of like dialogue 138 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: that I was a trader. And I think that Christian's 139 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: doing a very similar thing where people are like, wait, 140 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: hold on. And the problem that you have when you 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: do that is the second that you banish someone who 142 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: isn't a trader, then eyes turned back on you because 143 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you were the guy who suggested this. 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: Well, if it's any consolation to you that did put 145 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 2: him on the spot after you were gone, then now 146 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: all eyes are on him. So it's always a risk 147 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: to call someone out. It's always a risk to be 148 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: the loud one always, and then God forbid, you vote 149 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: for the trader, and the trader doesn't get voted out, 150 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: you're gone. Yeah, that's why Derek on our cast, he 151 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: was trying to call out Boston Rob and he said, 152 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: I won't be here tomorrow, but I'm going to tell 153 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: you right now it's him. 154 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. That was scary. That was good, very good. So 155 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: for the challenge, six players are doing something that I 156 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: know that you and Tam said you would never do, 157 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: and that's being buried. 158 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 2: Shit. Okay, so wells wait, you would do this? 159 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? I was watching with my wife and I was like, 160 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, the ladies were saying that they would never 161 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: do this. Would you do this? And she said, well, 162 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem with that. My only concern 163 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: would be that there would be bugs in there and 164 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: it would freak me out because it would be pitch black. 165 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, I agree with that, but I 166 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: would do this. It's the bugs that I wouldn't be 167 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: able to handle. But I know that you guys have 168 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: like a claustrophobia unlike any other. 169 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: Like any other. So I'm I can't breathe talking about it, 170 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: and I couldn't breathe watching it. Yeah, you couldn't pay 171 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: me enough to get in that coffin, they said to 172 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: me standing right there. As much as I went through 173 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: to freaking get there, and then the excitement of being there, 174 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: let me tell you something. I'd be calling from my 175 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: ticket home. I'd be like, Paul, get me a first 176 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: class ticket the out of here. I'm not getting in that. 177 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: I don't want anything that bad, not even for five minutes. 178 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: They were in their thirty nine minutes. They had to 179 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: find these people. 180 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: No way fun like production side of things that I 181 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: think is interesting for the listeners out there is I 182 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: remember talking to producers in They're like, is there anything 183 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't do? And I remember saying, if there 184 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: are spiders or bugs, I won't do it. And they're like, well, 185 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: what if there's a lot of money, And I said, 186 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't care about the money. Did you say, like, 187 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: I will not be buried alive one percent? 188 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: I said that. I said, I don't do clothes in 189 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: closed spaces. I Am not getting in a coffin for nothing. 190 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: And it's not about the superstition, because I mean, if 191 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: I could use a nap as long as you keep 192 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: it open, I don't care. But I don't know, not 193 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: for me, that was my thing. I don't mind spiders, snakes, 194 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: I don't care. 195 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: That gotta go. Yeah, this is a fun regardless of 196 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: your phobia. This is a pretty fun mission they do. 197 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, Alan signals the starts. They'll first locate a 198 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: shovel Milwaukee talkie, which will help them communicate with the 199 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: Barry players and the Barry players have to reveal a 200 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: riddle and a crest that's on their graves to help 201 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: their teammates find them. I thought it was funny, you know, 202 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: mid challenge, Michael tells multiple people that he'd like to 203 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: banish Cherald Team tonight. I never thought during well, I 204 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: only did I guess two missions, but I never thought 205 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: that it would have been a smart move for me 206 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: to start, you know, campaigning against someone in the middle 207 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: of a mission. 208 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean that's happened. That happens. But he 209 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,119 Speaker 2: something about Michael is like he's doing trader behavior. 210 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. 211 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: I would have totally voted for him. The women voted 212 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: for him, most of them did, right. So the only 213 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: reason he was able to get out of it is 214 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: you need to know how to talk your way out 215 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: of something. Yeah, and that's that's what it was. But 216 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: you know, to be shocked that he was bringing that 217 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: out in the middle, no, because there's not a lot 218 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: of time to talk after you're done stuff in your 219 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: face because by the end of the day and the 220 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: activities that we do, you're so hungry and it's not 221 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: the most satisfying food. Let's face it. When you get 222 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: back you're so hungry, you're double fisting food which doesn't 223 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: even taste and then you know, so there's not a 224 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: lot of time to talk, and then you're going into 225 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: different rooms, and so that is kind of the time 226 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: to start dropping the bombs for when people get back 227 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: and that name is in their head totally. 228 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: I guess, like you know, for the two missions I did, 229 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: I was just so focused on trying to like complete 230 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: it or I honestly the second one, I just wanted 231 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: an immunity because I thought that they were going to 232 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: try to come get me. Why did you think that? 233 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: Because I remember saying that I thought that the traders 234 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: were stupid for killing someone that I thought we were 235 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: all going to banish. And then I remember Robin and 236 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: Sam got really like salty about it and offended, and 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh, no, like I'm in trouble. 238 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: I think I don't know that. That's what I know. 239 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: I know that was just what was going through my mind, 240 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: because I remember because I was the only one who 241 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: was trying to get Wes down in that second mission 242 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: that we did, and they cut it, but I yelled out, 243 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to get you down, but you 244 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: have to save me because I think they're going to 245 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: try to kill me tonight. 246 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: Oh and you just had a feeling because you pissed 247 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: off two people by what you said. 248 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's that's I was being paranoid like 249 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: everyone it kind of is on the show. And Wes 250 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: said like, Okay, if you get me down, I will 251 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: will you know, I'll give you my immunity or whatnot, 252 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: And they cut that as well, and so then that's 253 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: when I got I in to help me get him down, 254 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: and we got him down, like right at the end. 255 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: But it sucked because I got banished before the killing 256 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: was happening that night, where the immunity would have helped me. 257 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: But anyways, all I'm saying is that during the missions, 258 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm thinking, like I should be 259 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: talking to people about who to get rid of. I'm 260 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: just like, I got to finish this thing so you 261 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: can get the money and get the hell out of here. 262 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: And I think that it was not a smart move 263 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: on Michael's part, But you're right that there is such 264 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: little time to really talk that like you kind of 265 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: take any opportunity you can. 266 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: The least time you have to do anything is to 267 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: converse about what's going to happen at the roundtable. Yeah, 268 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: so you kind of if you're if you think you're 269 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: on the hot seat, you have a time to turn 270 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: it around by putting somebody else's name out there, but 271 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: typically by then it's already happened during the missions. 272 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the teams. 273 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: A lot of people start to turn on each other 274 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: during the teams because they dislike each other. So a 275 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: lot of the times the votes will come out of 276 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: an annoyance or kind of like, what's going on with 277 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: Christian right now? I feel like people are going to 278 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: start to turn on him soon. So if I was 279 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: on there, he would get on my nerves and I'd 280 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: want him to be gone at this point because you 281 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: have nothing else to go on. So let's just banish 282 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: the people that get on our nerves or yeah, banish them. 283 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. A lot of the scheming and the 284 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: talking also happens in the cars. 285 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: Oh big time. Yes, so that's what that's what got 286 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Brandy caught in this episode. Ye, so we how about 287 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: Andy going the wrong way on the map? Well, who 288 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: knows how to read a map anymore? Yeah, nobody knows, Like. 289 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: I need GPS, I know, and. 290 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: You have nothing. You don't have anything, so now leading 291 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: the team the wrong way, Andy feels like possibly now 292 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: Andy's a target. 293 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, because as a I guess if you are a trader, 294 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: you're really not trying to to win these things. You 295 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: don't care. Well, I guess you want the money, but like, 296 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: you're not trying for immunity. But immunity is not in 297 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: this first season. 298 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: A lot of the traders moving forward do try for 299 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: immunity because they want to get like the target off 300 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: of them. 301 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, well, I tried so hard, so why 302 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: would I if I was so. 303 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: Why am I trying for a shield? Duh, duh. That's 304 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: that's what it was. So but you know, Andy was scared, 305 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: what the hell I'm up next? What could you do? 306 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: And I could see people being, well, if we don't 307 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: know who it is, let's get rid of someone who 308 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: cost us a bunch of money. 309 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: That's the other thing that takes a part. There's a 310 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: lot of different factors besides someone thinking you're a trader. Yeah, 311 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: you have to you have to grab from different places 312 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: because it's too early to have really any clues. 313 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's like it reminds me of you know, 314 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: I think it's in season two where Kate comes back 315 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and she like really doesn't want to be there, right, 316 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: Like she's Erica. She by the way, I'm sure if 317 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: I filled with her she would annoy me. But watching 318 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: her on TV, she is so good at it. She's 319 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: so funny. 320 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: They love her the studio. Lambert loves Kate and she's funny. 321 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: She don't give a shit. Yeah, I feel like she's 322 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: like really just like that in real life. Yeah, she's 323 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: a friend of mine. I adore her, but you know, 324 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: it would take a lot to shake her up. Talk 325 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: about smart, Kate's very, very smart, totally, and I love 326 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: when she goes off on somebody, like she was telling 327 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: Michael off exactly the way I wanted somebody to tell 328 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: him off, And so was. 329 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Brandy for that fact. Yeah, she's great, a little bit 330 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: of a superpower to like not give an f because 331 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: if you can do that, everyone else is tripping out 332 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: and stressed out. And if you are like I don't 333 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: care whatever, You're just gonna be there forever, which is 334 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: what happens with her. 335 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: You know, when I was going to play this game, 336 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: my brother said to me, I asked my family for advice. 337 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: What do they know about this game? And my brother said, 338 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: you've only ever looked up the things you gave a 339 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: shit about. 340 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I took that with me. Yeah, simply for right. 341 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Hey, it worked. I'm okay about it. It 342 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: was a good episode, though, it was there was so 343 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: much going on for so new But I love seeing 344 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: Kyle from Summerhouse. 345 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. But so let's go back to the 346 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: like the roundtable right beforehand, everyone's kind of getting together 347 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: to discuss their theories. Christian continues to push for Gerald Deane. 348 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: No one seems to be super convinced by it. But 349 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: I think that we're like almost like a rudderless sailboat. 350 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: I mean, theotia. No one really knows that. No one 351 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: doesn't even know what they don't know. At this point, 352 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 1: Brandy's certain that the traders are Michael and Christian, and 353 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: she briefly mentions Sherry, but she puts it on the 354 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: back burner. But it's just that moment where I'm like, 355 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: this woman is a genius. I wouldn't have gotten any 356 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: of these people. 357 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: Don't count Brandy. Glanfell out all right, anybody, My money's 358 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: on Brandy all day long every day. 359 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: It's always interesting to see who starts off round tables. 360 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 361 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: It's a very big tell. I feel like and Cody 362 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: starting off the round table calling out Geraldine and Michael 363 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: I thought was interesting. 364 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: You know what's funny. Sarah's just sitting back. Yeah, I know, 365 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: so Sarah's just sitting back and letting those fools go on, 366 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: and she's saying it. She's saying, he's gonna get us pinched. 367 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 368 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: I don't think the other two were great, really great traders, 369 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: you know. 370 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was too much of bull in a China 371 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: shop and not enough like thinking things through. 372 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: I think, well for sure, but again, we have to 373 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: give it to them. It is the first season, episode two. 374 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: We're not familiar with this game. Now. Everybody's a player. 375 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: Everybody's like, you know, if you meet somebody out there, like, 376 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: how could you not have known? Boston Robb was a trader, 377 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 2: all right, I get that, But I also spent the 378 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: whole day with him. That day he coached Sierra through 379 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: the bug challenge, so there's also a relationship aspect. Like 380 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 2: I was saying before that, when you get to know 381 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: these people, it's very hard to want to vote for 382 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: them because you get closer. You're with them all day. 383 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: You're not speaking to anybody else fourteen hours a day. Yeah. 384 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: The other thing that I don't know if gets mentioned enough, 385 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: is that you may think someone's a trader and still 386 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: be really close with them, Because that's what I'm saying. 387 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Having an ally who's a trader is very, very valuable. 388 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Brandy's like screwed because she's right right. 389 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: She talked too much. Yeah, I feel like she knew 390 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: better than to say it, because she's not done. You 391 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: just spent the whole day with these people. You bury 392 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: got your friends out of a coffin alive. But wait, 393 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: what about Christian hitting her with the shovel? 394 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: Oh I know, I'm surprised you didn't get like that. 395 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: Cut Listen. Brandy gets pissed off. She's like, I'm okay, 396 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: I'm okay, Yeah, but I didn't like it. 397 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 398 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: You know, she doesn't realize she had the power right 399 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: now to turn everybody against him, because I feel like 400 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: already at this point, Surrey would have already turned on him, 401 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: Cody would have turned on him at the round table, 402 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: and if Brandy really wanted just for the simple fact 403 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: that he got on her nerves, she could have got 404 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: out of Trader. 405 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. They go after Michael hard in this. 406 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: You know, Kate mentions that Michael threatened her to vote 407 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: for Jerald. He blames his awkwardness on anxiety. But then 408 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: Kyle pointed out that he had a similar conversation with 409 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: Michael during the challenge too, And so it seems like 410 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: everyone's kind of going at Michael as they should, as 411 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: they should, and then gerald Jane just stays silent, like 412 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure she had to defend herself, but we never 413 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: really get to see it. I wonder if being silent 414 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: is what ended up getting her banned. 415 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: It was really torn. It was a tie. The girls 416 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: didn't want to vote for her. You even seen some 417 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: people erased his name and then put hers down because 418 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: she didn't know how to speak enough to stick up 419 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: like he did. Yeah, he was ready for it. He 420 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: was ready to stick up for himself. He knows how 421 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: to get something. Tells me that Michael has more than 422 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: once in his life how to talk his way out 423 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: of some bullshit. And I don't think gerald Deane's used 424 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: to that. Geraldine also so explained, and so many people 425 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: are like this, including myself. And this is why I 426 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: understand her. Is she shuts down when people are coming 427 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: after her. Geraldine shuts down. It's the way she grew up, 428 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: it's the way her father taught her to be, or 429 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: however it is. And I get it. I get it 430 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand percent. But I would have liked to 431 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: see her stay. 432 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a lot of sympathy, and I was 433 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: empathetic to what was happening to her. I felt bad 434 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: about it. 435 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: Now, let's take this back to your sitting at the roundtable. 436 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: I want to go through your feelings because I can't 437 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: imagine what it's like because all these things, it's the 438 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: first banishment. You're not expecting these people that you've made 439 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: friends with to come for you. You're innocent, You're being 440 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: judged by everybody, and people are saying untrue things about you. 441 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: What are the feelings that you go through being in 442 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: that hot seat, if you could take yourself back to that. 443 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was frustrated on a lot of different counts. 444 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: I was frustrated that I kind of wasn't told that 445 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: I was on the chopping block until kind of right 446 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: before we walked in there. So I never had an 447 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: opportunity to go and talk to people and be like, 448 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: hold on, what are you talking about? And it happened 449 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: so fast that I didn't have an opportunity to really 450 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: sit down, compose my thoughts and make sure I had 451 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: a really good, compelling argument. And I was just I 452 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: was like, just upset. The other thing too, is and 453 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have to deal with this a lot, 454 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: but I am very concerned with how I'm being perceived, 455 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: especially on television. And what was making me angry is 456 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: that the dialogue that Bob the Drag Queen was saying 457 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: was that I was off putting. I didn't making an 458 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: attempt with him, and I remember thinking, like, that's not true. 459 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: I've talked to you about multiple things. You know, my 460 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: wife was a judge on Drag Race, and she had 461 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: just done a Broadway show with another person who was 462 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: on Drag Race named Jinx Monsoon, and like, and I 463 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: had all these things. 464 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: So I had a dialogue with him. You did speak 465 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: to him, yeah. 466 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: And what was frustrating is that he was saying that 467 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: I was, you know, like giving him the cold shoulder 468 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: and not trying with him, and I was like, that's 469 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: just not true, and that got me angry because I 470 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: was like, that's not what happened. You're making up lies 471 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: about me. Then of course it makes sense now looking 472 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: back of like he was making it all up to, 473 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, make sure everyone was trying to vote for me, 474 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: which I get now. At the time, I was just 475 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: upset that someone was like attacking my character. 476 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: Ry and you'd never expected it. I mean, how many 477 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: times in your life have you been accused of those things? 478 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: I don't think ever. 479 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. And also like if you ever have been accused 480 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: of something that you didn't do, it's all the time. 481 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: It's really hard to try to explain yourself without looking crazy. 482 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: You know. Well, here's the thing. And I've been in 483 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: many courtrooms. I used to you know, I used to 484 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: work in the jail. I worked in courtrooms. It's harder 485 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: to prove your innocent than it is to prove you're guilty. Yeah, 486 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: and that is that's the truth. Because you have no 487 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: tangible proof on something that didn't happen, or that you're innocent. 488 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: You have nothing to prove. You don't have anything to present, 489 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. So in life, wells, that is 490 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: absolutely across the board. The thing you cannot. It's very 491 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: very hard to prove your innocent. You have to That's 492 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: when you have to use your character, your integrity, and 493 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: your reputation to back you. Yeah, which you have all 494 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: those things, but it wasn't you're not bringing that to 495 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: the game. Somebody's accusing you of something. What you do 496 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 2: on the outside has nothing to do with what you 497 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: do on the inside. 498 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was frustrated. The emotion that was going through 499 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: my mind was like I was a little ashamed. I 500 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: was like embarrassed. I came all the way out here. 501 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to do really well and 502 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: then I'm like the first person out. So that was 503 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: also like making me angry, like I can't believe it, 504 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: Like I'm the first guy out. This is embarrassing. I 505 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: got to tell my wife, I got to watch this back. 506 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: This sucks. 507 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 2: So that's all going through your head while everybody's like 508 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: voting for you, and then at what point do you 509 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: like concede once the votes start coming out or. 510 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, I thought I was in a 511 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: lot of trouble and then the vote started coming out 512 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: and it started teetering back, Like if you remember. 513 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: I'm getting anxiety for you listening to this, but I've 514 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: always wanted to ask you this in detail. 515 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: So I made a shoe huge mistake. The mistake I 516 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: made was they asked me because I said I said 517 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: something I called the trader stupid or something, and I 518 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: noticed immediately that people got upset when I said it. 519 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: And then someone said, well who got upset? And I 520 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: should never have said the names. I said, what were 521 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: the names? I said, Robin and Sam and so so 522 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: then that's when I was like, I think Robin's a 523 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: trader because she got upset that I said it was dumb. 524 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: But I should have never said Sam, because then Sam 525 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden was like, well, screw you, man. 526 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: If you think that I'm a trader, then I'm done. 527 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to turn your Yeah. 528 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: So I thought I was in a lot of trouble. 529 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: What I didn't realize is that there were a lot 530 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: of votes for Ivor, and if I had just like 531 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: piled on to Ivor, then he probably would have been 532 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: the one to go home over me, because it came 533 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: down to like four four and four, and then the 534 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: last person to vote was Caroline, who was a trader, 535 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: and she voted for me, so like came down to 536 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: this last one, which sucks. So I thought I was 537 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: good because I had a good relationship with her, So you. 538 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: Were surprised when it came to her she was making 539 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: the final decision and she voted for you. Who else 540 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: who were you up against? Who else was on the 541 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: chop besides Iver Robin. See now I'm surprised that she 542 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't have gone for Ivor being that you guys had 543 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: made some type of connection. That's weird to me. 544 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, Bob the drag Queen and her, 545 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: Oh okay got together and they both thought that makes sense, 546 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: said me. And then and then Bob did a thing 547 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: where he accused me was the one who started everything 548 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: and then didn't vote for me. So then he was 549 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: able to like kind of wash his hands clean of 550 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: it being. 551 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: Wrong, Rellion. No one said that guy was stupid. He 552 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: might have been two over the top and you know, 553 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: annoying in a Christian like way at sometimes, but that 554 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: was smart. 555 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 556 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: He's smart. He's inherently smart. Oh yeah, Bob the trag 557 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: Queen is well versed on any subject you want to 558 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: talk to him on, and he knows it. He's very 559 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: very very very intelligent. 560 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you then. So then my mind 561 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: starts going, well, I got to make a TV show still, 562 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: like I'm still got to be entertaining. So once I 563 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: knew that I was screwed, I'm like, what do I 564 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: do to at least have like a good exit? And 565 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, we all had this thing of like we 566 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: want to be the first season that gets out of 567 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: Trader on the first banishment, right, Like I remember us 568 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: all like really wanting that. Well, these all these people 569 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: think that I'm a Trader. I'm going to at least 570 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: milk this for all I can. So then I went 571 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: up there and I started slow clapping, like. 572 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: You know, like I remember that, and. 573 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: I remember Tony because Tony voted for me too. I visibly, 574 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: I remember looking at everyone's faces and I was like 575 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: trying to keep it straight because I was like, I 576 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: want to give them twenty seconds of thinking that they 577 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: did this thing. And so I started slow clapping, and 578 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: everyone thought like, oh my god, we got a Trader. 579 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: And then I was like, yeah, I'm a faithful You 580 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: guys are idiots. 581 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: And then I laught that was a good accent. I 582 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: have to say so. 583 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: Going back to the end of this episode, it's pretty 584 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: close between Gerald Dean and Michael, but ultimately they banished 585 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: Gerald Deane. She tells everyone she's a faithful We finally 586 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: hear her speak, I suppose, and then Michael apologizes to 587 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: the group about his behavior, start starts crying. 588 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: A lot of crying goes on at that table, A 589 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: lot of crying in Traders. I'm from New Jersey. I'm 590 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: not used to that, yeah at all, But there's an 591 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: I love emotion. I love people that can cry and 592 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: feel emotion. It's a very emotionally draining show. 593 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really hit cry on the show. 594 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: In ten years of being on TV, I cried one 595 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: time when my dog died, No, two times when my 596 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: dog died, and then another time and a psychic told 597 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: me that my dog was channeling through. That was probably 598 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: the last time I cried anyway. 599 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only time I ever cried on TV was 600 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: they gave me eye drops to make it look like 601 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: I was crying because I'm not my wife and I 602 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: can't force the tears. But you know, the other thing 603 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting about the end of this 604 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: episode was Christian being like, you know, Gerald Deane. She 605 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: was such a great a great one. And then it's 606 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: Katey like, what you're going to have a you know, 607 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: like a euloge? 608 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: What do you want to have a eulogy? Kate is 609 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: a hysteria and all. And then what about Brandy? She's like, 610 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm over it. Kate's like and you know, Kate's smart, 611 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: because you know, she's very funny. You know what she said, 612 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: We're going to do this tomorrow and the next day 613 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 2: and the next day. And that is the game that 614 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: is so true. Banishing a faithful or voting for someone 615 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: you got close to never got easy for me. Yeah, 616 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: it never did. 617 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: The Traders mean the Turrets kind of end the episode. 618 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: Cody Revie that basically Brandy is onto everyone. 619 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: She must be the next murder. 620 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: Come on, well, so that's the thing. So if you're 621 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: the Traders, if you kill her, then isn't everyone to 622 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: be like, well, hold on, she said you you knew? 623 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: Then does that put a spotlight on them? 624 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: It depends because who did they say and in front 625 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: of is that person paying attention? She said it in 626 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: the car with like three other people or two other people. 627 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: She didn't really go around chanting I think it's Siri. 628 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: I think it's cretty. You know, so, I don't know. 629 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if they have a choice. 630 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't. 631 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm curious, Like I'm not even looking I don't want 632 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: to look ahead. I'm looking forward to the next episode. 633 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: I honestly don't even remember how this season ends. I 634 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: watched it obviously for the show, but that was a 635 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: year and a half ago or something, right. 636 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: And you were binging and you were nervous. So we're 637 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: excited to see what they do with Brandy Glanville next, 638 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: Who's onto every freaking one of them. 639 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: She's just Sherlock Glanville over here. 640 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: She is. She would have made a great trader, but 641 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: she would have been an obvious trader. 642 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. But do you think that you 643 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: would be a good trader? 644 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: No? Really, no, I'm not a good liar. 645 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: You're so gregarious and good with people. I think you 646 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: would be good at it. 647 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: I think that I wouldn't enjoy it. Let me say this, 648 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 2: thank you for saying that I wouldn't enjoy it. Yeah, 649 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: it would ruin the game for me. 650 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: The not getting the sleep part is the thing that 651 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: really would probably bug me the most. 652 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: I was so healthy there. I didn't need sleep. I 653 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: was a machine. Wellst I was like waking up skinny 654 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: and I was happy. I want to go back. I cried, 655 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 2: you know when I cried when I left the room, 656 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: like I don't want to go. I'll stay for free. 657 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: They're like, you gotta go. There's not even a game left. 658 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: It's over. They're packing up the castle. I'm like, just 659 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: leave me here. 660 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: It's a health and wellness retreat at this point for me. 661 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 662 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're excited to watch episode three, which 663 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: will be coming out next week. Please follow us over 664 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: on social media. We're at by Order of the faithfuls 665 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: dm U. Is there any questions that you've got Also 666 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: send us video messages there too, and we can. 667 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: Love video messages. I love them. 668 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, thank you guys so much for Thank you guys. 669 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: Hi by