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Speaker 1: live episode that we recorded in Los Angeles at the Ruby, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with the fabulous Danielle Perez about the movie Romy and

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Speaker 1: remember it? Yeah? Remember because twentieth century was the century

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Speaker 1: I have a screenwriting class I'm teaching at the Ruby,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. This is the Bathtubcast. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: Bechtel cast on. Alright, oh, I see some some wide eyes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: to be specific because they really made a big deal

421
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: about being business women. So then they decide that they're

422
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: going to say that they invented post it's. But this

423
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: leads them to fight because Romi's like, yeah, I invented

424
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: post it's but Michelle, you like design them, and Michelle's like,

425
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: wait a minute, dude, think So then they start fighting

426
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: about like what they think of each other, and then

427
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: they're like, you're not cute, You're not cute. And then

428
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: they decide that they're not going to be friends anymore

429
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: and that when they get to the reunion they're gonna

430
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: part ways and go off and do their own thing.

431
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Then something wild that I had to rewind to make

432
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: sure actually comprise fifteen full minutes of this movie. Really

433
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: the dream sequence. It's amazing, but you didn't When did

434
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: you realize something was amiss? I hope this isn't too late.

435
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: But when Alan Cumming could fly, that's exactly because I

436
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: was watching it because I knew that it was a

437
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: dream sequence, and I was like, but when does it

438
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: really start to get weird? It was like and the

439
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: music starts to get kind of funky. It was like

440
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: who because someone is like over the sunroof and I'm like,

441
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: how could you be at that? An tooby? And then

442
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Alan Cumming can fly and you're like, huh, true, so

443
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: far into the secret? Yeah, it's really awesome. It's so good.

444
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. True Alan Cumming fans know that

445
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: he can actually fly, so that didn't register. Is weird?

446
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: For was it the Christie Ballroom with all the giant

447
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: posters of Christie. It was it that I didn't even

448
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: made to be like fruits and veged the carrots and bananas.

449
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: The Christie Ballroom was like, oh okay, now some now

450
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: my the cars waiting for them inside and doors. Michelle

451
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: Be voted most changed for the Batter since high school

452
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: and she hasn't stepped foot inside the reunion all night

453
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and it's only wearing a bra. No, sir, I mean

454
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that has changed for the better. This

455
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: speech where she's like I can't buy my top and

456
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I was like, where, it's great anyway. So there is

457
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: like a fifteen minute dream sequence without the dream sence.

458
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't think this movie is future length. No, they

459
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: say right there, ninety one minutes minute movie of the Scholar.

460
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing with this movie, though. They loved that

461
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: about the nineties. I loved an eighties seven minute movie,

462
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. The thing about this movie though, is

463
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: that there's about ten minutes of plot and the rest

464
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: is like dance sequences that have no bearing on the story, Like,

465
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: there's almost nothing that happens in this movie, and yet

466
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: it is terrific. Um there's so much internal friendship. Sure,

467
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: but like plot wise, I mean, not a ton happen,

468
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: but on a bad thing. I'm just saying like, they

469
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: try and they fail, and then realized friendship is the

470
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: most important thing. And then the helicopter, Oh baby, do

471
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: you know what that's with? Heaven? It's a place on

472
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: the soundtrack is incredible track. Okay, so then the dream

473
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: sequence happens. Everything's weird, but they get a lot of

474
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: it right, Like they know that Sandy Frank is rich somehow.

475
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: So then for real, Michelle and romy go into the

476
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: reunion and they're like, hey, we invented post it and

477
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: everyone's like, no, you didn't. And then their secret is

478
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: exposed because Heather comes and it's like no, some other guy.

479
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: And then they feel dumb because everyone laughed at them.

480
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: But then they're like, wait a minute, friendship is important.

481
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: There were stupid that we're fighting. And then they put

482
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: their great outfits back. They're like, let's go out there

483
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and be ourselves. And then Sandy Frank shows up in

484
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: his helicopter and he's like the only thing I don't

485
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: have in my life is you, Michelle. And then and

486
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: then the dance and we're literally just like, yeah, sure.

487
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: Very few actors could get a yeah sure from me

488
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: for that kind of bizarro scary plot twist. But'm like, well,

489
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: it is coming out of Alan Cumming's mouth, so I

490
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: guess we're rolling with it. And then we cut back

491
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: to them in l A. They have opened up a

492
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: fashion like a clothing boutique. Presumably do they stayed explicitly

493
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: that Sandy like venture funded there, Yeah, they're She's like,

494
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: she's like, I feel like we can pay him back

495
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: this week, and she's like I think we're like two years.

496
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, he don't care. He's unhinged, and that is

497
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. Maybe you forgotten. In the

498
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: dream sequence, they each win the medal for like most

499
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: change for the better, But then they each go off

500
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: with their like respective love interests, right, and then we

501
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: flash forward to seventy years later. Seventy years so they

502
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: are ninety eight years old, and then they still hate

503
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: each other. Michelle on her deathbed giving romy the finger

504
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment in cinema. It's really like so great

505
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: because once you find out you're in a dream sequence.

506
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, now we're just gonna turn it up

507
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: to wratch it up. One of the weirder things about

508
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: the dream sequence is in the dream sequence Christie has

509
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: a career, but in the real world she doesn't, which

510
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: was one of the only things that I was like, Oh,

511
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: was a strange time. We're only in dreams a woman

512
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: a career, but the one who no longer hangs out

513
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: with the A group salut. She is like an associate

514
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: editor for Vogue, businesswoman, elegant cream suit. It's good to

515
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: see Meredith be able to play a hero. True, I know,

516
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: just for saying all in all, they're not bad. Just

517
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: a year later, she is in that scene in The

518
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: Parent Trap where they're out in the woods with Dennis

519
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Quaid and a lizard crawls into her mouth. What a

520
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: wild couple of years. This is a Lindsay Lohan one. Yeah,

521
00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: she plays wife. Huh, who's like? I learned what eon

522
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: was from her? So where should we jump in with

523
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: our discussion? Oh gosh, where to begin? What if we

524
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: were just like female friendship? Yes, queen and then left?

525
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I mean. I do love that

526
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: like female friends, Like this movie just celebrates female friendship.

527
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Like that's it, Like you're saying, like there isn't really

528
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: a lot of plot, and you just get to see

529
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: two women who are adults like genuinely care about each other.

530
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: And I think that's honestly, like very refreshing, Like you

531
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: just don't really get to see that in movies or TV.

532
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: And it's like they have this atypical lifestyle where they

533
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like implied like by their like Lucy

534
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Ricky set up in their bedroom that it's like they're

535
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: like in it, like they need permission to funk from

536
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: the other person U and like they're I don't know,

537
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: like they're they have like their lives are built around

538
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: their friendship. And then prior to this reunion coming up,

539
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: they don't seem to be unhappy with that, Like they're

540
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: they have fun going out together. Even when they go

541
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: out to like it's like they're sort of like, we're

542
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: here to meet guys, but they still seem to want

543
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: to hang out with each other anyways. Yeah, like the

544
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: two cokes with extra cherries and it's like the bartender

545
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: knows that's their order. It's like okay, wait, their party girls,

546
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: but they're like not, they're sober, they're not getting wasted,

547
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: they're not doing anything. They just love hanging out. Like

548
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: that part of it I just thought was like awesome,

549
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: and then it's like the problem comes from there. Whatever

550
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: the world they from, isn't that wouldn't think that's a

551
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: cool way to live. And to be fair, they should

552
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: have like, like Michelle should have tried to get a

553
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: job at some point. But in this world you could

554
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: get a five room apartment in Venice for you know,

555
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: like a part time Jaguar cashier salary. What I don't know.

556
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, Michelle has rich parents we don't

557
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: know about is the only thing I can think of

558
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: playing this lifestyle. I mean, maybe Michelle was on unemployment.

559
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but she goes out for jobs and she's

560
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: like very picky and and unemployable because she keeps like

561
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: messing up during this She was good versa. She was

562
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: she was like, you look like ship in that sure,

563
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: And I was lying when I said he was really

564
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: good at telling people they look good at like but

565
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: that is so I feel like it's just I love

566
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: watching Lisa coudro Be. Lisa Coudro likes so good and

567
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: this is like mid Friends where you can just tell

568
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: at Lisa Kudra is dying to not be on Friends

569
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: for two seconds, and she's so good. I also forgot

570
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: how much I love Mira Sorvina. She's so good in

571
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: this movie. I haven't seen Mirrors, so I've only seen

572
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: Mirrors Orvina in like one other movie that like, did

573
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: you guys ever see Wise Girls with Mariah Carey. No,

574
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. We'd love to do Glitter that we have

575
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: to come back when you can come back, We'll come

576
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: back for Glitter. I'm obsessed with glitter. Glitter. Mariah Carey

577
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: thinks none eleven is the reason Glitter did not succeed. Oh, Maria,

578
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: not eleven is personally very difficult for her. Oh my god,

579
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: what an icon escape? Good for Mariah carry So yeah,

580
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie is largely about female friendship. That

581
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: is the crux of the movie. But then there's also

582
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: parts where it's like, okay, well, a big part of

583
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: these two many characters is that they feel their lives

584
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: are inadequate because they don't have boyfriends. And then by

585
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: the end, at least for Michelle like she she ends

586
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: up with a guy I think we can presume I

587
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean he's in love with her and

588
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: gives them a bunch of money to open up this shop.

589
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: So either way, it's I'm kind of all for letting

590
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: someone think that you're in love with them and taking

591
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: their mind. I'm down with that. I think that's a

592
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: feminist message that it feels like reparations to some degree.

593
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe, but I think the not thinking their

594
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: lives are good enough, Like that's for sure coming from Romi,

595
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: because Michelle seems very like, Okay, I'll go along with

596
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: like your plan, Like sure, why not? Like Michelle is

597
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: like fine either way, Like she's still like even after

598
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: like their plan to make their lives better or whatever

599
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: goes put, She's like I still really want to go Yeah. Well,

600
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: because Michelle she's the one that like kicks Romy's ask

601
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, our lives are great, and I

602
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: always thought they were great, Like we didn't have to

603
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: do all of this. Yes, I like Michelle is like

604
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: the loyalist, loyal friend possible, and we can get into

605
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: like the message that extends beyond that. But Michelle throughout

606
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: the whole movie whenever Romy is having an issue of

607
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: like feeling inadequate, like Michelle goes above and beyond to

608
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: alter her behavior to make Romy happy or be inclusive

609
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: in moments that like, I don't know, I feel like

610
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: if instead of when, when Sandy's like, oh, Michelle, I

611
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: just want to dance with you, like Michelle's like include yeah,

612
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: which to Sandy is a wild challenge. But he's Allen comming,

613
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: so he knows what to do. He just goes. He's like,

614
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: I have the choreography ready, thankfully, this choreography is for three.

615
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: But like Michelle often like comical ways will include Romy

616
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: to keep her friend happy and feeling secure in a

617
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: way that Romy like. Not that Romy loves Michelle any less,

618
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: but it seems like Michelle is the friend and the

619
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: relationship who goes above and beyond definitely, which I love

620
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: about her. And I'm also like, man, you don't have

621
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: to do it every time. You could dance with Sandy.

622
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: But I don't even know if she wants to. That's

623
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: the thing is I think she. I'm just like I

624
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: hope that after the helicopter took off, Alan commings like

625
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: so you're in love with me, right, she's like, no, no,

626
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: but thanks for the helicopter ride a million dollars. Do

627
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: we see them kiss? And then she's like happy that

628
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: he didn't bring as big a notebook, so they probably bang.

629
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: She feels his erection. I guess she's applying, she feels

630
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: Alan Cumming's big old bonar. So I don't know. For me,

631
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like a sure thing that they ended

632
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: up together, because it doesn't seem that like that kind

633
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: of movie, right, because the end is he's referenced in

634
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: terms of like him investing in their business, but we

635
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: don't see him on screen again, so the emphasis is

636
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: still on their friendship between Roman and Michelle. Yeah, so

637
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna be terrible business owners like that at the end. Yeah,

638
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: they're going to sink are so good it was it

639
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: almost looks like dash or something. It looks like that

640
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: sort of venture is perfect. Yeah. Um. I would say

641
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: the other kind of bigger issue that I have with

642
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: this otherwise perfect movie is that several of the plot

643
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: points revolve around many different pairs or groups of women

644
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: not getting along with each other. So it's yet another movie,

645
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: I would argue, at least where we see women just

646
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: in conflict for reasons that aren't clear, just because it's like, oh, well,

647
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, they like Brady high school bullies. So I

648
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: think at the time this movie came out, if we

649
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: were to put it in context of the time it

650
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: came out, and I do agree with what you're saying,

651
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: this seems to be like the given for like, well,

652
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: in movies, this is what high schools are, Like there's

653
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: nice girls and there are mean girls, and that what

654
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: I was almost bummed out and sort of started talking

655
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: about it before. But like between the dream sequence and

656
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: the real sequence were in high school, Christie was this

657
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: mean girl, and like that is an exaggerated version of

658
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 1: dynamics that sometimes exists in real high schools, and yes,

659
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: media should be challenging those and you know, giving young

660
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: people different ideas of how high school dynamics can work.

661
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: But it is a reflection of something that does happen

662
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: in high schools, heightened to a major extent. But during

663
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: the dream sequence, I forget which of them goes up

664
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: to Christie, and Christie's like, oh yeah, I'm the most

665
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: successful weather girl in Tucson, which felt more like the

666
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: reality of Christie felt to me like less realistic and

667
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: more reductive in terms of the story than than the

668
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: dream version of Christie, because in the real version of Christie,

669
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: she is like the popular girl who was always like,

670
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to be famous, I'm gonna do all this stuff,

671
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: and then she ends up marrying her high school swee

672
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: sweetheart and having three kids by not that there's anything

673
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: wrong with that, but the movie tells you there's something

674
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: wrong with The movie has a really weird view about

675
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: motherhood where it's suggested it's actually quite nasty. Yeah, it

676
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of suggest sorry, at least roomy. Michelle didn't get fat,

677
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, but according to the movie, uh, romy used

678
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: to be chubby. And I was like, huh, and if

679
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I'll keep calling her that and it's like, what are

680
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: you talking about? The high school dynamics in this movie

681
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: are dated as fuck, really really in it, and don't

682
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: do that much to challenge those dynamics. I'd say the

683
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: most the furthest it went to challenge because in high

684
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: school everyone's focus is to like find a heterosexual partner

685
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: and do well, and then ten years later, everyone's goal

686
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: is to have a heterosexual partner and do well in

687
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: their career, and so like nothing is really challenged there,

688
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: except by Romy and Michelle, who are like, we're losers.

689
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: We're getting in a helicopter, and that's well, I mean

690
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, there's like the mean girls and

691
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these this kind of reductive high school tropes.

692
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: But I did appreciate they you know what happens with

693
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: um when they're like talking to like Heather Mooney about

694
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: like who they each thought they were in high school,

695
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, everyone made someone's life a living hell,

696
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: where like in hindsight you can like you experience it

697
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: and you feel it this way and so that's your truth.

698
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: But then in actual quality, it's like, oh no, it

699
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: seemed like you guys are having fun and you had

700
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: it made and I wish I was like as cool

701
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: as you and doing all the stuff that you guys

702
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: were doing. And I think that's like a very real

703
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: true thing. And then she's the Heather Mooney character is

704
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: very pleased when she finds out that she has made

705
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: the Toby Walter's character's life of living. How the Cameron

706
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: about her Time's character right, She's like, oh, hell yeah,

707
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: if I was a horrible wretch to you, and that's great.

708
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Um just to go back to the how the movie

709
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: views like motherhood really quickly, it's this like weird idea.

710
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: It suggests that like women who choose to be mothers

711
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: have given up and or that they also can't have careers.

712
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Like it's this weird. I feel like it feels like

713
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: left over from second wave feminism kind of thing where

714
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: it's like the focuses on women having careers, which is amazing,

715
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: but it's almost like women can have careers and if

716
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: you choose not to have a career, Like it's not

717
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: a very inclusive view. It's progressive and yet also in

718
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: his main to mothers that the world requires. Because then,

719
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: like Christine even says, the line is something like she's

720
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: saying this about the Lisa Luter character, who's like the

721
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Vogue editor. She says something like such a great out

722
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: of it. Um. She says, like unlike a certain ball busting,

723
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: dried up career woman. We know we're all happily married.

724
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: And then like Lisa's like, yeah, keep to keep. So

725
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: it's right, it's like this, we yeah, that was not

726
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: handled especially well. It's very nice. Those are the only

727
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: three mothers we see like the same amount of friend

728
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: they're all the same amount of pregnant. They're all the

729
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: same amount of bitchy and rude. In me, that's it.

730
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: That's They're all dressed like it's a star. It's crazy. Yeah.

731
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: And then at the end, I didn't like the last

732
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: beat for the Christie character, where like her dress blows

733
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: up and you see her pregnant stomach and everyone's like

734
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: from their helicopter her, this is a bit much she

735
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: because well, where the Christie character ends, and like the

736
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: popular girl characters are dealt with very weird and not like,

737
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: not super thoughtfully. I feel like it's almost just like

738
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: a cookie cutter idea of who a popular girl is,

739
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: which I thought was challenged in the dream sequence, but

740
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: then they were like, no, actually we didn't want to

741
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: think about it. And at the end, in like the

742
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: last ten minutes of the movie, you get a very

743
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: tragic u setup for what's going on in Christie's life

744
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: in her marriage, where I'm like, I don't think she

745
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: like she put yeah, she put magnets on your back.

746
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. People did that to me too, and I

747
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't wish this on them. Like where her husband, popular

748
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: Bobby comes up and it's implied that like he's not

749
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: as like conventionally hot as he used to be. And

750
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: he comes up to Roman and he's like, my wife

751
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: lied about my job. He got married to Christie. He's like, no,

752
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't dry wall, old man do drywall

753
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: for her. That's just like what does that mean? And

754
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: but then he's like, yeah, and I cheat on her

755
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: all the time, you know. He basically is like Christie's

756
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: life is a sham and I don't care about her

757
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: and I want to cheat on her now, and then

758
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: we still are supposed to laugh at her at the end.

759
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: I felt so badly for it supposed to be this

760
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: like cathartic moment for Romie where she's like, oh, I

761
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: get to do to Billy what he did to me

762
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: by like leaving to Yeah. I guess the thing is

763
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: it's like he never seen like he was never like

764
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: any sort of real, fleshed out character. He was supposed

765
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: to be the subjective hot guy in high school, and

766
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: I was like, he just looks whack, Like he's not

767
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: even that hot. He's not like Alan coming in high

768
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: school would bang, you know god, And he's attentive, right, yes,

769
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: Alan coming in the dream sequence where he classics. He

770
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: looks like Christopher wa was your presence. He looks but

771
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: like Michelle is like, oh you picked a great face.

772
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: You're so dreamy. But he is truly frightening. Okay, he

773
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: looks badly rendered. It's so wonderful, but yeah, or express character.

774
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: But like, what is the deal with Bobby being like

775
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: the hottest guy in school. He's not that hot, He's

776
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: super dumb. It's like, why did she even like him?

777
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: I mean, we all made horrible mistakes, but the fact

778
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: that Romy is still so hung up on him that

779
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: feels like a weird choice for that. Yeah, it just

780
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: like doesn't seem like the best. It's like they're like, well,

781
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: how much can we make go full circle in this movie?

782
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: You know where? I think if this movie came out now,

783
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: I think what the writers might do is instead of

784
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: them laughing and pointing at Christie at the end, Romy

785
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: would tell Christie and then and Christie would be like,

786
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new and go to night school.

787
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: And then she would also get on the helicopter and

788
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: then all the with the Regina Hall would be there.

789
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: It would be incredible. So you felt a little to

790
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: me like the end of Jurassic Park when they all

791
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: get on the helicopter away from the dinosaur island. Anyone else? No,

792
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: is that how that movie ends? I forget? And then

793
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: and then Sam Neil is like, look, pelicans, they're just

794
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: like dinosaurs, or that's what dinosaurs evolved into or I

795
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Did you create a cinematic moment? Did you

796
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: know Sam Elliott got a star in the Walk of

797
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: Fame this week? Nope, he's in a star is born.

798
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: He's the old Yeah, his only and they gave him

799
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: a star anyway for him he was snubbed anyway, star star.

800
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: Another thing that I found to be not so great

801
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: about this movie is one of the things that like

802
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: temporarily breaks up their friendship is them being like, you're

803
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: not cute. No, you're not cute. They're like arguing over

804
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: how each other looks, how Marian who's the road up?

805
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: That's real, that's real. That's a real thing. We were

806
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: arguing today about who's the Roman, who's the Michelle. Yeah,

807
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: let's just let's just ask. I've got a crowd. Okay,

808
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: clap if you think that me Caitlin is romy and

809
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: that Jamie is Michelle. Clap if that's what you think. Okay,

810
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: oh this might be tight clap if you think the opposite,

811
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: that I am Michelle and that Jamie is romih it

812
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: have it. Well, there you go. I do identify as

813
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: a Romie, So I identified as a Michelle. I'm pleased

814
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: with pleased with our fans know us. So oh man,

815
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I do feel a lot of relief after all, right

816
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: to the one person who was wrong. Now I'm kidding

817
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: I show anyway. So yeah, that's that's a weird moment

818
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: that I don't think if this movie was like came

819
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: out today, I don't think they would be like, you're ugly, No,

820
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: you're the ugly one. Like think it would be very

821
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: They don't say you're not cute, it's just who's cute? Yeah,

822
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: And I think it would be like or it would

823
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: be more thoughtfully addressed, because I mean, I think that

824
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: I had a note about that too. But it's like

825
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: the I don't know if we're operating on the idea

826
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: that it's like the high school reunion and the ideas

827
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 1: within the reunion that gets between them. That argument makes sense,

828
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: but the fact that it only goes and I think

829
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: if it was written now it would be about their looks,

830
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: their career. It would be about the three things they

831
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: were worried about, and not just like who's hot, who's

832
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: not like that sort of thing. Like it would probably

833
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: be a more thoughtful discussion of like I mean, they

834
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: barely they only mentioned that Lisa Kudrow has never worked

835
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: a day in her life once. Well, they do. She

836
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: used to have a job. She used to have a job.

837
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: She was a sales probably carries her, that's right, So

838
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: then that explains a lot of romy's like, Hey, like

839
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm the one that invented post. It's

840
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: okay because I pay the rent, which is fair. But

841
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: then Michelle is the one that always gets us to

842
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: day elce first again, very true of our relations You

843
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: pay my rent, yes, and no one asks me to day.

844
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Um. Yeah, I think that that's

845
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: like something that does happen can happen in like real

846
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: friendships where it's like you kind of you get into

847
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: these roles, you know what I mean, someone's always maybe

848
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: the leader more and someone goes along with the ideas,

849
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, I feel I feel like they're the relationship

850
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: dynamic is I mean, I found it to be very relatable.

851
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: But the fact that, like one of the main things

852
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: that they argue about, to the extent that in their

853
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: dream sequence when they're seventy years older and still hate

854
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: each other, they're the thing that they're still beefing over

855
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: is no, I'm the Mary. So I feel like I

856
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: get it if like that is like maybe a sentiment

857
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: that people have in a in a friendship that they're

858
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: like maybe self conscious or you know whatever. But um, yeah,

859
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the fact that that's, like, I would say, probably the

860
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: main thing that the argument is focused on, where they

861
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: do bring up like yeah, I carry you, like did

862
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: it da this and that, different things about their kind

863
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: of professional lives and stuff like that. But the fact

864
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: that that is the main thing, it's very and I

865
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: think that that is like you you can boil down

866
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: most critiques of this movie to like, yikes, thrilled it's

867
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: no longer seven, for example, but I'm not grateful it's

868
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen either, So what do we do. One

869
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: of a few of the other you know, nineties seven

870
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: based issues that this movie has, there's that there's that

871
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: queer phobic joke made by Lisa Kudrow at the tippity

872
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: top of the movie, like it's essentially a no homo joke.

873
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: When they're dancing at the club. When they're dancing, right,

874
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Romy says something like, I swear to God sometimes I

875
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: wish I was a lesbian, and Michelle says, well, do

876
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: you want to try to have sex sometime just to

877
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: see if we are? Rami says, yeah, right, Michelle, just

878
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: the thought of having sex with another woman creeps me out.

879
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: But then then there's a beat and then she says,

880
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: but if we're not married by the time we're thirty,

881
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: asked me again, this is which all over? I mean,

882
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: that's like essentially like the plot of like my best

883
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: friend's wedding, right, Like, is it if we're not married

884
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: by the time we're thirty? That's Mary each other. That's

885
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: a movie that's my best friend. You guys haven't done

886
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: my best friends. I am shocked. It's crazy that I

887
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: haven't seen that movie and yet I've seen I now

888
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: pronounce your chucking Larry. That's let's never do that. Let's

889
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: find right now. I never see that movie. I would

890
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: love to see if Paul Blart mall Cop passed the

891
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: back del cast, we do can we do Blart March

892
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: on the Patreon Sure, okay, both both Blarts O Paton.

893
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: There's two right, it's or something. I don't even want

894
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: to know how much money that movie fucking made. O

895
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Blart March you look out. I would also say that

896
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: there's some like the way the movie handles race is

897
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: also a very again there is I would I think

898
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: there's black Warren plays, Yeah, all the guys. Yeah, I

899
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: would do that. I would just yell that at my sister,

900
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: Just yell at ROMI. You were looking at what is

901
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: rough dumb troll? Right? So there like the only the

902
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: only person of color in the movie that has lines

903
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: is this like creepo like predatory guy who's constantly harassing

904
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: Romie at work. There's a fuel. There's there's a few

905
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: people of color who have lines, but they're all they

906
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: all work as mechanics at the job we do. We

907
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: see them talk even well, they're really just they're going

908
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: like oh that's my boy. Oh yeah, They're like, oh

909
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: he's really doing it. They're like listening to like, okay,

910
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: it's a futured extra. Their men are their men here,

911
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: their money here. You knew your coworker was banging someone

912
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: at work, would you excitedly creep up to the doortal

913
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: with they all, but have a tin can right there?

914
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: That scene is like weird, but it's it's like there's

915
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: an easy a vibe to that whole scene, which was fun,

916
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: but then it's also like, okay, it's another example of

917
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: what's not smoking work but near oil when yeah, you

918
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: work in the mechanic, like have a lit cigar. That

919
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: scene is interesting because it's like she dresses up all

920
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, sexy, and she's like, I need a jaguire

921
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: is how I would say it. And um, so she's

922
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: like kind of intending to flirt to like get her

923
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: way into it, and then he's like, well, what's in

924
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: it for me? And then she's like, I'm not going

925
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: to have sex with you, so like to some degree,

926
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: she's like using like a slight bit of her sexuality

927
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: which manage of his crush on her before that. That's

928
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: the thing is like, it's the same thing as taking

929
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: Alan Cummings venture money, Like it depends on your personal

930
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: code of what what you want to do that I

931
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't take Alan Cummings money. Just like that also means

932
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: it's like they need a man the help of a

933
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: man to get what they want. But then also it's like, well,

934
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: but it's set up in a very specific way. I

935
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I do, I do see what

936
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: you're saying. And then also the fact that like the

937
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: only non white people we see like work at the

938
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: Jaguar dealership. Or there's like one very brief part of

939
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: the high school reunion where Lisa Kudros talking at a

940
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: group of people of here and they're the joke is

941
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: that they are not allowed to respond. It is like

942
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: the Asian kids that went to school that don't have names,

943
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: don't have any backstory, and she just talks at them,

944
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: so they either is the joke that they don't stand

945
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: what she's saying, is that that just what it's supposed

946
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: to be. That doesn't make that doesn't make any sense

947
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: because they went to high school in Tucson. That joke

948
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: was weird and insensitive there. And I mean I I

949
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: was reading back most of this stuff I saw in

950
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: my research of like criticism done of this movie, which

951
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: inn was largely uncritical. What a fun romp, and they're

952
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: not wrong. It has like a seventy six round tomatoes though,

953
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: which is hating on it. Yeah, probably rodri Ebert, that motherfucker.

954
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: I read the movies. Roderi Ebert, Rogerie Aubert had some

955
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: deep seated issues, but anyway, value of the dolls too.

956
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: He didn't understand He didn't understand anything that wasn't men.

957
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: But anyways, a lot of what I read was written

958
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: less than two years ago for the twentieth anniversary of

959
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: this movie, and reading some of the more modern criticism

960
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: of it is interesting. And there was one piece specifically

961
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: I read that was published in Bitch magazine. Never heard

962
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: of it in two thousand seventeen. That was a point

963
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: that I hadn't really thought of during my viewing of it.

964
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: But the the whole thesis of it was that this

965
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: movie is built around the idea that like, white women

966
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: are allowed to be mediocre, and that is like a goofy,

967
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: funny joke, but if you swap anyone else out, it

968
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: becomes a joke that mainstream America probably couldn't have accepted,

969
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. Well, Lincoln, I really killed

970
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: the room on that. I'm just pondering the mean, isn't

971
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean the Harold and Kumar movies. I have only

972
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: seen one but like the one that you go to

973
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: white Castle, but it is that it's a stone Stoner

974
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: so it's a little different. But it's like they're just regular.

975
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: Do they have impressive jobs? I feel like I don't

976
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: remember what if they were fortunate, but also like what

977
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: is an impressive job? You know, like let's redefine what

978
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: that means. I know, I do think it's really refreshing

979
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: that they are so unremarkable, you know what I mean.

980
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: I think that thoughts. I don't know, as someone who's

981
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: like a girly girl who has local fries is like

982
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot all that ship. I really do love that

983
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: they are fully just dizzy girls that get by some

984
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: figure out how to survive. It's funny, it's refreshing. I

985
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I hate that like women have

986
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: to be like exceptional to just be thought of as competent.

987
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: You know. That infuriates me. So it is I think

988
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: nice to just see but that's what the real you

989
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: not that they're real people. But it's like, not everyone's

990
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: going to be like a straight a student and go

991
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: to grad school screenwriting from Boston University. Sorry, some women

992
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: are just like okay, that's right, and they both accept

993
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: each other and love each other, but just I think

994
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: the greater and more important thing is that there's genuine

995
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: like friendship and support there and for sure expectations of

996
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: the world that bring in the conflict. I would say though,

997
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: and this isn't really a criticism, but it was just

998
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: something I noticed that is that they are both like

999
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: very stereotypically like hyper feminine in their you know, appearance,

1000
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: and their behavior and their interests and stuff like that.

1001
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Like we don't know that much about them aside from

1002
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: they love fashion. They love you know, wearing unique outfits

1003
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: and fun, frisky subcolor. It's so weird that they're just

1004
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where everyone keeps. This movie

1005
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: gaslights you in a number of ways, whether you're like

1006
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: Lisa Kujo and Mirosorpono are, and that their outfits, well,

1007
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: that they think that about them, that they in high school,

1008
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: everyone's like they're like and they everyone they're confusing. That

1009
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: is bizarre. Yeah, And that their clothes are stupid when

1010
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: we all know that their clothes are. But then like

1011
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: they think about themselves that they need to lose weight,

1012
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: and one of the things are fixated on is like

1013
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: weight loss and stuff like that, which is like again

1014
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: for a very stereotypical I feel like the kickboxing. So again,

1015
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: like this isn't a criticism, but they're just like very

1016
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: hyper hyper feminine. Who wrote the movie? How did this

1017
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: even happen? It is written by Robin Schiff, based on

1018
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: a play that she also wrote, directed by a man

1019
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: David Merkin Is. I'm sorry, icon, I don't need to

1020
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: know anything else about him. His last name is market.

1021
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: Just make sure I didn't miss this. I'm gonna go

1022
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: on IMDb. David Mark, Right, okay, direct, Okay, So yeah,

1023
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, do we have any other final thoughts about

1024
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: the film? I don't know. I mean I can't think

1025
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: of Cameron Man. Yeah, set that was really I love

1026
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: that she was like, please don't tell me to go

1027
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: fuck myself. It really hurts my feeling. I mean that's

1028
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: so real and vulnerable. I know, like she's like, clearly

1029
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of therapy, worked on herself,

1030
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: worked it out, She's done the work. She's sending boundaries

1031
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: creating an expectation. I like it, like I I mean,

1032
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: I would assume this movie paved the way for a

1033
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: lot of other like because this movie is like very

1034
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: well loved. It was loved when it was when it

1035
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: came out, which never happens, especially like a female lead

1036
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: major comedy movie like that. It broke a lot of

1037
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: barriers in many ways for all of its fault and

1038
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: just a mediocre female friendship you don't see anywhere, even

1039
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: in an era where I feel like now we're getting

1040
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: more female representation than in past years, but there is

1041
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: still like that symptom of the Mary Sue of like

1042
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: the women who are allowed to be the leads and

1043
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: movies are superheroes or they're perfect, you still can't be

1044
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: like a fucking idiot like I just true progress is

1045
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: female idiot representation and this is it, and it's it's

1046
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: great and pure and like very I don't know, I

1047
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: really like this movie. I will say that it is

1048
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: yet another movie with a female leader, in this case

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Speaker 1: to female leads that ends in like a formal social event.

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: Usually it's a wedding, a prom, a ball. This, I

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Speaker 1: would say, so it ends in their store. But a

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01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: big component of this movie, I would argue is the

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Speaker 1: reunion expand well, let me it's different from those like

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Speaker 1: the typical examples of it being like a wedding or

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Speaker 1: a problem, which is what it usually is, but it's

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01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: still I feel like female centered stories feel like they

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01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: always have to end in some sort of like big

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Speaker 1: formal social event because that's what women like to do.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I would say there is that reunion

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01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: is less of a gendered semal events where everyone's whipping

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Speaker 1: there dick out real or figurative, putting it on the

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Speaker 1: table at their reunion saying this is what I've done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think if it ended, if it truly ended at

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Speaker 1: the reunion and they go in the helicopter and that's it,

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: Like I would be down with that. But it's like,

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01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: but they have their store to become the successful business

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Speaker 1: woman that they set out to be to be. Yeah. True,

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Speaker 1: I mean for a pair of mediocre dumb dumps. They

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:30,480
Speaker 1: sure their girl bosses now the girl bosses. Girl bosses.

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Speaker 1: They had a trouble term giant baby that curses and

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: says it a lot. Barolo said that character. That character too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the fact that they like help each other out instead

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01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: of like continuing. They're sort of like an she has

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: friends now she raw dogs, Janine raw dogs the boys.

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Speaker 1: So that's always good news, you know, that's raw dogging

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01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 1: in the field. Yeah, usually good news. Usually how optimistic argue? Usually,

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Speaker 1: I guess there's no way to say without revealing too

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Speaker 1: much on my personal history. Should we take any questions

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Speaker 1: or comments from the crowd? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm time.

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Speaker 1: What do we miss? Yes, I am what's your name? Differently,

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Speaker 1: let's fight. Um. So, as soon as we saw a

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01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: feminist icon cat eating junk food on the couch, we

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: got very excited for a potential cat Facts with Caitlin.

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: So I was hoping ed Coard request that citer. It's

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01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: a Michelle. She's flipping through the magazine. She's like, I

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01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: don't understand how models work or magazine. And then in

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: the background it's eating cake. The cat it's like a

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01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: piece of They're fine with it because what yeah, it's

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01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: note are eating our jellybeans and nothing else. It seems

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01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great product placement. There's a whole

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01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: shot where you're just like, we've just made dollars, but

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: you're right, there is a cat in the background. Um,

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01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,839
Speaker 1: that is eating cake. And just in case anyone was curious,

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01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: cats do have eight nipples. It's a cat Facts with Caitland.

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01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: Although I recently learned that that is not necessarily true.

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes cats Wow, sometimes cats have a cat alternative facts.

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: It's this is please represent cats. Sometimes cats have as

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: few as for nipples or as many as ten. Apparently,

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: so I've been wrong the whole time. Got an average

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Speaker 1: of eight. I believe, shaken to my marrow. I know

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: any other question comments, Let's discuss whether or not the

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: movie passes the Bechdel test. Yes, it does in the

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 1: very first scene, in the very first lines that are spoken,

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: like Rommy and Michelley are talking about pretty Woman and

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: how the sales women in that movie are whores. So

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: it's maybe not the most progressive passing that we've seen.

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: But I also think that there's a sub pass in

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: that scene where the scene and pretty Woman is also passing. Yeah,

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01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: perhaps as a new do we do the sales woman

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01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: have actual names? That's what I was going to ask.

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01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've nervous, very Sue. Wait, what when

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: the man is like when she goes to the shop

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01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 1: where they do help her, He's like, very path very Sue,

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: help this woman, hid her, this woman? But do they speak?

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: I would imagine I think they do because they're having

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: some sort of conflict in the story's like go get

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: me this shirt and then that's and she's like, okay,

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: that's that would be a pass. I'm gonna I'm gonna

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01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: first double pass, and then several of the passes are

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01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: also Janine Gruffalo telling Toby to funk off. Um, but

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01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: a lot of fun dynamic, a lot of those scenes

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: do pass, a lot of the conversations do pass. And

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's a hard yess. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's write

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: the movie on our nipple scale. Alright, nipple scale nip Okay,

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01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: well it has the nipple scale change now that we

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 1: have this new cat fact. Oh my god. Yeah, anywhere

1127
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: between four and ten nipples, or we can stick with

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: the old one, which is to rate to the movie

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01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples based on its portrayal and representation

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: of women. Um, I'm gonna go with three, I think

1131
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: for this um because is while it is it's you know,

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01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: it's a celebration of female friendship. Always loves stories like that.

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: There is still a lot of like antagonism among different

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01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: women in the story. And you know, the way that

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01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: the movie handles queerness and race is not well. And

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: also there's that weird incest joke where she's like, yeah,

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01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: you lost your virginity to your cousin. I wouldn't brag

1138
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. So it's like again like the very

1139
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: Liken based attempts at humor that are generally regressive, but

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: the female friendship aspect of it and the fact that

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: they even though they're like feuding for a little while,

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01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: feud a show that at the Golden Clothes bluster. So

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: the feuding for part of the movie, but there you know,

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: their friendship is pure and beautiful. Um and I love it.

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: So three nipples and I will give of them all

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: to the unnamed orange cat who eats cake. I'll go

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01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: through on this one as well. I agree with with

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: what you're saying where there is definitely some dated dynamics

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01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: between some of the female groups that I think could

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01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: have it wouldn't have been that hard to resolve or

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: at least subvert a little bit. I feel like there's

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01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: not really much subversion done with the high school dynamics,

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01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: where it's one thing to present like popular girls not

1154
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: popular girls, and then the way they interact with each

1155
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: other ten years later could be telling or or reflect

1156
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: something about how people grow over time. But this movie

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: doesn't really go for that, and in fact ends on

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01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: a joke making fun of a pregnant woman. So that's

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: not great, you know, it's it's I mean, yeah, it's

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: a very white movie. It's some and sometimes I couldn't

1161
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: tell Miras Orvina and Lisa Gudreau apart that was I'm sorry,

1162
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: but but it is confusing and but mediocre. Female representation

1163
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: needs to take hold in culture. That's the marker of

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: true progress when non exceptional women can be in charge

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01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: of a movie and capture the hearts of millions without

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01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: being punched down at all the time or made a

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01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,879
Speaker 1: mockery of. I think that's great. Also, back brace girls,

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: and that's you know, I if you've read Danny by

1169
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: Judy Bloom, you'll know that seeing a back brace girl

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01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: that's not Danny is critical and Alan Cumming is awesome.

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01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: So I include that in my representation of women's score

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:48,440
Speaker 1: three nippies and I'll give one to Romy, one to Michelle,

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01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: and one to Alan. Five because I'm a stand Yeah,

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: it's problematic. Everything is problematic. It's funny, it's a beautiful movie.

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01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 1: She's she does the which guy? Will I have sex?

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01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: With at the real end in a movie. It's amazing

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: someone wrote it down and then they spent money shooting it,

1178
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: lighting it, sounding it. I just I love that it's

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: so girly and that they get to be so girl

1180
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: and unapologetically so like very Also, was anyone getting thumb

1181
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: and Louise vibes when they're like driving through the desert

1182
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: in a convertible they're scarves on their heads? What a

1183
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: homage I love? I was thinking recently, I was like,

1184
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: what if we tried we were on YouTube and we

1185
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: tried to do the thulm It and Louise challenge? Or

1186
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: did you just drive off a cliff with your friend?

1187
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: But no, it's I'm gonna make it happen that the

1188
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise child. It's a good idea I tell

1189
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: to anyone you hate I So hope that catch us

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01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: on all right. Well, Danielle, thank you so much for

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: being here. Thank you for having up for Danielle Perez.

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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you online? What would you like

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Speaker 1: to plug? Follow me online at Diva Deluxe, Knowing at

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Speaker 1: the End, on Twitter and Instagram, and check out my

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Speaker 1: show dates at the Danielle Perez dot com hooray. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to all of you for being here, Thanks to the

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: Ruby for having us, and get home safe, have a

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: great night. Thanks for coming by. Hey real quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's something we didn't mention during the live show, but

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01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: I think it is worth mentioning. Definitely is the mirror. Serrino,

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: who plays romy in the movie basically got blacklisted in

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: Hollywood by Harvey Weinstein for a while. Our king j

1203
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: k him straight to hell. Some of the reading that

1204
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: I had done said that he sexually harassed her and

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01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: then told Peter Jackson to not consider her for a

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01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: role in Lord of the Rings. Awful, terrible, but I

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: would you know, I hate Lord of the Rings, so

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01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: for me, that works out. But she did not deserve

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01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 1: any of what she got. Um. Also, she had worked

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: with Woody Allen in a movie that earned her an

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Speaker 1: oscar shortly before shortly before Romey and Michelle, and then

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01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: she later apologized to Dylan Farrow for having previously praised

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01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: his work and for kind of ignoring Dylan Farrow and

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01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: the things that she had been saying about Woody Allen.

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Speaker 1: Mirror Servina tends to be on the history yes, in

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Speaker 1: every way, So tip our hat to her and uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that just is worth the mention. Yeah, for sure, and

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